Not sure what I am doing. So...what I am going to do is just start walking foward until I either am stopped, or I found my answers I am seeking.
To start things off, anyone have any thoughts? Please don't stop in and say "well we have dicussed this a 100 times". If so humor me, or keep on walking and those of us intereseted in this subject will dilegently and prayerfully seeks Gods consil and instruction.
So having laid it out there, let's rock and roll. Am I putting pressure on some of you to respond? Yes. Share the knowledge baby!
Others, lets listen and learn and share as well.
Full Version: Bible Prophecy And How It Ties Into To Current Events.
bELOW IS A RESPONSE FROM ANOTHER THREAD IN THIS SITE. i CHOOSE TO POST IT HERE TO GET THIS OFF THE GROUND *(sorry for caps)
I have read Revealations (about twenty five year's ago), and at that time I did some studying of Prophecy. Not since then have I studied it however, so it has been 25 years.
The Rapture, Tribulation and when Christ returns to me has always been something that we will know when it happens, so I have stayed away from it for these reasons.
Fast forward to TODAY, and I feel the need to equip myself with the knowledge needed to go to battle against the enemy and his Henchmen, and as God Will's, use myself for any work he would have me do.
The Spiritual part we can discuss as well, but knowledge is my main goal here. In a nut shell, I need to be brought up to speed on hpw Bible Prophecy AND Current Events are in Harmony.
Does anyone understand this? Am I moving to fast? Do we NEED to get to know each other better to share these things? I do understand that, but NOW is when this needs to be done. Key word for this thread...URGENCY!
I have read Revealations (about twenty five year's ago), and at that time I did some studying of Prophecy. Not since then have I studied it however, so it has been 25 years.
The Rapture, Tribulation and when Christ returns to me has always been something that we will know when it happens, so I have stayed away from it for these reasons.
Fast forward to TODAY, and I feel the need to equip myself with the knowledge needed to go to battle against the enemy and his Henchmen, and as God Will's, use myself for any work he would have me do.
The Spiritual part we can discuss as well, but knowledge is my main goal here. In a nut shell, I need to be brought up to speed on hpw Bible Prophecy AND Current Events are in Harmony.
Does anyone understand this? Am I moving to fast? Do we NEED to get to know each other better to share these things? I do understand that, but NOW is when this needs to be done. Key word for this thread...URGENCY!
Hi Barnabas. The only problem is it likely there will be several points of views here regarding endtime prophecy.
For example, the rapture. Some believe it will happen pre trib, mid trib or post trib. Numerous threads prevail, so I don't think there is any definative answer for when and if the rapture happens.
The mark of the beast, again different interpretations here.
Who is the antichrist, the whore of Babylon, the beast, the false prophet, all with many interpretations?
Some believe the two witnesses will actually be two people...
Are the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls linked as a total of 21 separate events or are they the same 7 plagues but with each described differently as seals trumpets and bowls? Do they all happen in a short time span like in the next seven years or have they been happening over the last 2000 years?
Oh the 1000 year reign of Christ, personally my biggest difference in viewpoint here as many believe Christ is actually going to set up a 1000 years reign on earth when I believe he already has ruled with a rod of iron, smashing countries like clay pots. Have you ever seen so many empires come and go over the last two millenia?
then there's the sea of glass mingled with fire, which I believe I understand what it is, what are the seven horns and what did the seven thunders say etc, etc. All the topics I just mentioned are posted here in this forum in one form or another.
Well, good luck searching the threads
...but it's good that you ask; I can always learn something too.
For example, the rapture. Some believe it will happen pre trib, mid trib or post trib. Numerous threads prevail, so I don't think there is any definative answer for when and if the rapture happens.
The mark of the beast, again different interpretations here.
Who is the antichrist, the whore of Babylon, the beast, the false prophet, all with many interpretations?
Some believe the two witnesses will actually be two people...
Are the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls linked as a total of 21 separate events or are they the same 7 plagues but with each described differently as seals trumpets and bowls? Do they all happen in a short time span like in the next seven years or have they been happening over the last 2000 years?
Oh the 1000 year reign of Christ, personally my biggest difference in viewpoint here as many believe Christ is actually going to set up a 1000 years reign on earth when I believe he already has ruled with a rod of iron, smashing countries like clay pots. Have you ever seen so many empires come and go over the last two millenia?
then there's the sea of glass mingled with fire, which I believe I understand what it is, what are the seven horns and what did the seven thunders say etc, etc. All the topics I just mentioned are posted here in this forum in one form or another.
Well, good luck searching the threads
...but it's good that you ask; I can always learn something too.
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Feb 9 2007, 05:51 PM) [snapback]101504[/snapback]
Hi Barnabas. The only problem is it likely there will be several points of views here regarding endtime prophecy.
For example, the rapture. Some believe it will happen pre trib, mid trib or post trib. Numerous threads prevail, so I don't think there is any definative answer for when and if the rapture happens.
The mark of the beast, again different interpretations here.
Who is the antichrist, the whore of Babylon, the beast, the false prophet, all with many interpretations?
Some believe the two witnesses will actually be two people...
Are the seven seals, seven trumpets, seven bowls linked as a total of 21 separate events or are they the same 7 plagues but with each described differently as seals trumpets and bowls? Do they all happen in a short time span like in the next seven years or have they been happening over the last 2000 years?
Oh the 1000 year reign of Christ, personally my biggest difference in viewpoint here as many believe Christ is actually going to set up a 1000 years reign on earth when I believe he already has ruled with a rod of iron, smashing countries like clay pots. Have you ever seen so many empires come and go over the last two millenia?
Well, good luck searching the threads
...but it's good that you ask; I can always learn something too.
Greetings HB. You do make some excellent points, such as Rapture and Tribualtion. I am not looking to discuss those quite frankly for the reasons you and I both mentioned previously.
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Feb 9 2007, 05:51 PM) [snapback]101504[/snapback]
then there's the sea of glass mingled with fire, which I believe I understand what it is, what are the seven horns and what did the seven thunders say etc, etc. All the topics I just mentioned are posted here in this forum in one form or another.
Ok hurt me. Tell me about this.
The main thing to consider when studying the bible, and prophecy in the bible, is that it all points to either Jesus Christ and His followers or His enemy Satan and His followers. Jesus referred to these two groups as "wheat (good) and tares(bad) or sheep(good) and goats(bad) (and other comparisons). There are too many examples to give here, but when you read any book in the bible, try to interpret Jesus into the storyline, because many characters in the Old Testament are "types". Most of it is literal with a spiritual meaning behind it. The book of Revelation says that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. Once you understand the basics, then it will open up to you.
Revelation
19:10 And I fell at his feet (the angel) to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
notice how heaven is "opened"?
Jesus holds the "Key" to David (King David's throne) by which He opens and no man shuts, and shuts so that no man opens. He is the King of kings and Lord of lords, meaning that nothing happens without His sovereign authority (even the bad things) according to our faith. This is the "key" he gave to Peter, which means that Jesus Christ is the rock upon which the church (ecclesia) would be built (not the Roman Catholic church or the pope)
Revelation
19:10 And I fell at his feet (the angel) to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
notice how heaven is "opened"?
Jesus holds the "Key" to David (King David's throne) by which He opens and no man shuts, and shuts so that no man opens. He is the King of kings and Lord of lords, meaning that nothing happens without His sovereign authority (even the bad things) according to our faith. This is the "key" he gave to Peter, which means that Jesus Christ is the rock upon which the church (ecclesia) would be built (not the Roman Catholic church or the pope)
QUOTE(mmddll @ Feb 9 2007, 06:02 PM) [snapback]101507[/snapback]
The main thing to consider when studying the bible, and prophecy in the bible, is that it all points to either Jesus Christ and His followers or His enemy Satan and His followers. Jesus referred to these two groups as "wheat (good) and tares(bad) or sheep(good) and goats(bad) (and other comparisons). There are too many examples to give here, but when you read any book in the bible, try to interpret Jesus into the storyline, because many characters in the Old Testament are "types". Most of it is literal with a spiritual meaning behind it. The book of Revelation says that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. Once you understand the basics, then it will open up to you.
Thanks Big Guy. Good to know.
These are the last days.
Record breaking hurricanes, storms, brush-fires, floods, droughts, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc
God said "I close the Spiritual Understanding (and eyes and ears) of the un-repentant, so as to prevent them from believing unto salvation."
And Jesus said "I open the Spiritual Understanding (and eyes and ears) of the repentant, so that they will believe the gospel, and be saved from their sin".
***
Notice the un-believers in the National news:
Partial Birth Abortion is a good thing,
NASA travels to the moon, stars, Mars, and Pluto, to find "proof" that evolution is true and the Bible is un-true,
NASA's astranauts are on a murderous-lust-filled rampage, killing each other,
Muslim (Islam) is a Peaceful religion,
Liars and thieves are good people,
the National Debt ($600,000 per family of 4) is a good thing,
We all descended from germs, worms, and monkeys.
The first proteins and the first-ever double-helix of DNA came together by accident.
The record-breaking heat (and cold) is the "proof" of Global-warming.
The Global Warming is man-caused, even though many scientists refute that.
The death of a soldier is terrible, but Partial birth Abortion is good.
***
My point is:
The un-believers are getting crazier by the minute. The Bible speaks of "confusion, Reprobate mind".
Believers are promised a "sound mind".
Record breaking hurricanes, storms, brush-fires, floods, droughts, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc
God said "I close the Spiritual Understanding (and eyes and ears) of the un-repentant, so as to prevent them from believing unto salvation."
And Jesus said "I open the Spiritual Understanding (and eyes and ears) of the repentant, so that they will believe the gospel, and be saved from their sin".
***
Notice the un-believers in the National news:
Partial Birth Abortion is a good thing,
NASA travels to the moon, stars, Mars, and Pluto, to find "proof" that evolution is true and the Bible is un-true,
NASA's astranauts are on a murderous-lust-filled rampage, killing each other,
Muslim (Islam) is a Peaceful religion,
Liars and thieves are good people,
the National Debt ($600,000 per family of 4) is a good thing,
We all descended from germs, worms, and monkeys.
The first proteins and the first-ever double-helix of DNA came together by accident.
The record-breaking heat (and cold) is the "proof" of Global-warming.
The Global Warming is man-caused, even though many scientists refute that.
The death of a soldier is terrible, but Partial birth Abortion is good.
***
My point is:
The un-believers are getting crazier by the minute. The Bible speaks of "confusion, Reprobate mind".
Believers are promised a "sound mind".
NWO and I think we are all seeing it take place. God has bless us with allowing us to see it all take place.
Kim
Kim
The writer of Hebrews (pre-AD 70) wrote:
"God, who at various times and in various way spoke in time PAST to the fathers by the prophets, has in THESE last days spoken to us by His Son."
We are NOT now living in the last days! Those pre-AD 70 saints were!
Furthermore, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilences, etc., were predicted by Jesus to come upon His first-century disciples and THEIR generation, not ours! WE are not the YE of Matthew 24.
YE (my disciples standing right here in front of Me) will hear of wars and rumors of wars."
In this same context concerning that first-century, pre-AD 70 generation, Jesus said:
"See that YE (my disciples standing right here in front of Me) are not troubled." Troubled by what? "Wars and rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places!"
Yes, there are wars today and rumors of wars. There always have been. But THEY are not THOSE wars and rumors of wars!
Yes, there are nations rising against nations today. There always have been. But THEY are not THOSE nations rising against nations!
Yes, there are famines, and pestilences and earthquakes today. There always have been. But THEY are not THOSE famines and pestilences and earthquakes!
Again, WE are NOT the YE of Matthew 24! CONTEXT. AUDIENCE RELEVANCE.
Preterist
"God, who at various times and in various way spoke in time PAST to the fathers by the prophets, has in THESE last days spoken to us by His Son."
We are NOT now living in the last days! Those pre-AD 70 saints were!
Furthermore, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilences, etc., were predicted by Jesus to come upon His first-century disciples and THEIR generation, not ours! WE are not the YE of Matthew 24.
YE (my disciples standing right here in front of Me) will hear of wars and rumors of wars."
In this same context concerning that first-century, pre-AD 70 generation, Jesus said:
"See that YE (my disciples standing right here in front of Me) are not troubled." Troubled by what? "Wars and rumors of wars, nation rising against nation, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places!"
Yes, there are wars today and rumors of wars. There always have been. But THEY are not THOSE wars and rumors of wars!
Yes, there are nations rising against nations today. There always have been. But THEY are not THOSE nations rising against nations!
Yes, there are famines, and pestilences and earthquakes today. There always have been. But THEY are not THOSE famines and pestilences and earthquakes!
Again, WE are NOT the YE of Matthew 24! CONTEXT. AUDIENCE RELEVANCE.
Preterist
Kim 48, care to elaborate?
New world order I feel is taking place now. This is just my feelings so it may be correct or not but we will see before long.
We are hearing more and more about a one world religion so people will have to be P.C. We now know it is technologecally possible to put chips in people, pet and autos so one person anywhere in the world can find where we are at any given time. I even heard of one person last week that was running for president say we need to have a Universal Health Care program and if elected he would do just that!
I have posted about this before but could not find it but when I do I will post it here for you to read.
It is scary but I'm a Christain so I will take one day at a time and lean on my Savior to guide me.
Kim
We are hearing more and more about a one world religion so people will have to be P.C. We now know it is technologecally possible to put chips in people, pet and autos so one person anywhere in the world can find where we are at any given time. I even heard of one person last week that was running for president say we need to have a Universal Health Care program and if elected he would do just that!
I have posted about this before but could not find it but when I do I will post it here for you to read.
It is scary but I'm a Christain so I will take one day at a time and lean on my Savior to guide me.
Kim
QUOTE(kim48 @ Feb 10 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]101596[/snapback]
New world order I feel is taking place now. This is just my feelings so it may be correct or not but we will see before long.
We are hearing more and more about a one world religion so people will have to be P.C. We now know it is technologecally possible to put chips in people, pet and autos so one person anywhere in the world can find where we are at any given time. I even heard of one person last week that was running for president say we need to have a Universal Health Care program and if elected he would do just that!
I have posted about this before but could not find it but when I do I will post it here for you to read.
It is scary but I'm a Christain so I will take one day at a time and lean on my Savior to guide me.
Kim
Ah that's the effects from the seventh bowl (NWO), which I believe was already poured by or around the time of 1962.
I don't think anyone is listening to you, Preterist. Have you ever considered the possibility that Jesus could have been speaking about more than one event in the context of His word? Listen:
Ecclesiastes1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
There's no reason to keep trying to convince people of something that is clearly not entirely correct. The last day is the last day, and it clearly hasn't happened yet. You are only looking at half of the equation.
Ecclesiastes1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
There's no reason to keep trying to convince people of something that is clearly not entirely correct. The last day is the last day, and it clearly hasn't happened yet. You are only looking at half of the equation.
Peace-mealing everyone's theories is unhelpful. Could each of you (in a semi condensed form), tell me your thoughts. I promise to read every one. Thank you):
And let's all be respectful of each other, regaurdless of diferences.
And let's all be respectful of each other, regaurdless of diferences.
I'm sorry, I did not mean that as an insult Preterist. I just don't think many people hold the view that the "last days" have already happened. It may have happened to the Jews in the Roman Empire, but not for the whole world. There is still a future fulfillment which will be turned back on the nations that scattered them. Then they (nations) will be scattered like the chaff after the "Rock made without hands" breaks the ten toes (Beast empire) into pieces.
Daniel 2:34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Zechariah 4:7
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Hasn't "completely" happened yet, though Jesus Christ is described as the chief cornerstone the builders rejected.
The NWO builders continue to reject Him.
Daniel 2:34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Zechariah 4:7
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Hasn't "completely" happened yet, though Jesus Christ is described as the chief cornerstone the builders rejected.
The NWO builders continue to reject Him.
QUOTE(mmddll @ Feb 11 2007, 11:55 AM) [snapback]101724[/snapback]
I'm sorry, I did not mean that as an insult Preterist. I just don't think many people hold the view that the "last days" have already happened. It may have happened to the Jews in the Roman Empire, but not for the whole world. There is still a future fulfillment which will be turned back on the nations that scattered them. Then they (nations) will be scattered like the chaff after the "Rock made without hands" breaks the ten toes (Beast empire) into pieces.
Daniel 2:34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Zechariah 4:7
Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Hasn't "completely" happened yet, though Jesus Christ is described as the chief cornerstone the builders rejected.
The NWO builders continue to reject Him.
Do you know the context of those OT passages you quote? I will have to study them again to see what the words mean in their context. Something that really disturbs me today is how easily people grab passages (and I'm not saying you are because I don't know you) they do not understand in their context. We can all find passages that SEEM to say what we want them to say, but upon closer examination might mean something else. I will NOT use passages I do not understand and which I have not fully studied in their context lest I misunderstand God's Word.
There is much in the OT that is difficult to understand because it requires a knowledge of the historical setting. I suspect that most who quote it do NOT know that historical setting and do not even bother to find out. Do you not agree?
I gave you clear NT passages, but you did not address them. Would you please do so, and I will attempt to ascertain the CONTEXT of the OT passages you provided.
Preterist
QUOTE(mmddll @ Feb 11 2007, 09:49 AM) [snapback]101708[/snapback]
I don't think anyone is listening to you, Preterist. Have you ever considered the possibility that Jesus could have been speaking about more than one event in the context of His word? Listen:
Ecclesiastes1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
There's no reason to keep trying to convince people of something that is clearly not entirely correct. The last day is the last day, and it clearly hasn't happened yet. You are only looking at half of the equation.
I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but your use of Ecclesiastes 1:9 to disprove that Jesus was speaking about actual events that were to occur in His disciples' lives is the same old ploy used by those who attempt to negate the many time references in the NT with a desperate appeal to 2 Peter 3:8!
Are you saying through your quote of Ecclesiastes 1:9 that everything is repeatable down to peculiar and particular details? Will there ever be another WWII exactly like WWII? Will there ever be another American Civil War exactly like that of the American Civil War of the 1800s? Will there ever be another eruption of Mt. Vesuvius exactly like the fist eruption? No! No! No! Of course not!
Yes, certain TYPES of things repeat themselves--earthquakes, wars, famines, pestilences, etc. But they are all UNIQUE in their particular historical setting. Why don't you teach that Jesus will come again, and again, and again. Why not say that Jesus will go to the cross again and again and again. After all, "the thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun."
Jesus warned His disciples of SPECIFIC things that were to happen at a SPECIFIC time. They were UNIQUE wars and UNIQUE famines and UNIQUE pestilences. Similar things have since happened, but they were NOT those specific, one-time-in-history events.
Preterist
QUOTE
Matthew 24
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
verse 3 asks a question about two distinct events. The stones of the temple being thrown down AND the sign of His coming and the end of the "age" (world). The stones of the temple being thrown down is symbolic of Christ crucified, as well as the literal destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. Jesus told the Pharisees earlier "Destroy this temple and in 3 days I shall raise it up"
verse 14 Had the gospel been preached to all the world by the time of the destruction in 70 A.D.to ALL nations?
verse 21 Was the sacking of Jerusalem worse than the Jewish holocaust of 6 million Jews and additional Christians, Polish, and other groups of people, including the Allied firebombing of Dresden? How much worse would an inevitable global nuclear holocaust be? Read Zechariah chapter 14. You can't tell me honestly that has already come to pass. Matthew 24 is spoken at the Mount of Olives, the very place Jesus Christ will appear when He returns as mentioned in Zechariah 14
Zechariah 14
12And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
verse 27 thru 30 Every eye will see Him, there will be no doubt about historical events
verse 35 has the sky and the earth passed away, rolling up like a scroll?
Revelation 6
14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
verse 39
2 Peter 3:3-7
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
verse 45
Ecclesiastes 3
1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
9What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
10I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.
11He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.
13And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
Ecclesiastes 12
1Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
2While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, (Matthew 24:29-30?) nor the clouds return after the rain:
3In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,
4And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;
5Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:
6Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
8Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
9And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.
10The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.
11The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
12And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
There were about 350 prophecies concerning the first coming of Christ. Jesus fulfilled ALL of them. Why then, would His second coming be any different? ALL must be fulfilled, not one shall be left unfulfilled.
For this reason, I look forward to His coming, seeing as how it's impossible that it's already happened.
In Christ, Angela
For this reason, I look forward to His coming, seeing as how it's impossible that it's already happened.
In Christ, Angela
QUOTE(AngelaNPraise @ Feb 11 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]101757[/snapback]
There were about 350 prophecies concerning the first coming of Christ. Jesus fulfilled ALL of them. Why then, would His second coming be any different? ALL must be fulfilled, not one shall be left unfulfilled.
For this reason, I look forward to His coming, seeing as how it's impossible that it's already happened.
In Christ, Angela
Hey guys...sorry to jump into such a heavy debate after being gone for so long, but I have a question for angelaNPraise.
First of all, how are you doing Angela? i have not said hi to you for some time. Good to hear from you.
Second...more on topic...the flip side of that argument is scrpiture pointing out that the birth, life and death of Jesus were numerous and the second coming is one event (lightning and thunder and earthquakes not taken into account) and scripture says he will come as he left. if memory serves me correct, only a few of his followers were left gazing up to the heavens when he went to the Father and they and others were left to persuade others what actually hapened ("I SAW it, I tell you!").
I have heard argument that His second coming will be just as the first in this manner, though every heart that is ready to know it will "know" it in the events surrounding His coming.
I have also heard argument that He will actually come twice...first to collect those who will accompany Him in the final war.
leia
PS banabas, I will get to this issue next and you can have all my perculiar idea in old fashioned words, if you would like, when life permits.
love you all!
(By the by...barnabas....strong name.....means man of forgiveness I believe....
QUOTE(AngelaNPraise @ Feb 11 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]101757[/snapback]
There were about 350 prophecies concerning the first coming of Christ. Jesus fulfilled ALL of them. Why then, would His second coming be any different? ALL must be fulfilled, not one shall be left unfulfilled.
For this reason, I look forward to His coming, seeing as how it's impossible that it's already happened.
In Christ, Angela
Despite the fact that Jesus Himself said, "Behold, I am COMING QUICKLY!"
Preterist
So in other words, what you imply is that He already came back and we're wasting our time looking forward to His return because it's in the past?
I have an idea that may or may not work here....Since Barnabas is seeking answers here why don't those who are caring to share their beliefs and understandings just start a new thread for him only...Example:
Topic title: By mmddll
For barnabas
Let the first post be a guideline for others coming to read: Such as the following...
This is a converstation between mmddll and barnabas only. Others are encouraged to read but please hold posting your comments...If you feel the need to post please start your own thread in the same manner this one was started...
Yes Barn will have probably 9000 converstations going on, but hey, he asked for it... and the confusion is held to a minimum.....
This rids the debates among the brethern and the jumbled teaching of 9000 peps joining the convo.....As each person will hold their own conversation with barnabas and thus allowing barn to come to his own conculsions and or beliefs....
Just a thought...
Topic title: By mmddll
For barnabas
Let the first post be a guideline for others coming to read: Such as the following...
This is a converstation between mmddll and barnabas only. Others are encouraged to read but please hold posting your comments...If you feel the need to post please start your own thread in the same manner this one was started...
Yes Barn will have probably 9000 converstations going on, but hey, he asked for it...
and the confusion is held to a minimum.....This rids the debates among the brethern and the jumbled teaching of 9000 peps joining the convo.....As each person will hold their own conversation with barnabas and thus allowing barn to come to his own conculsions and or beliefs....
Just a thought...
QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 11 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]101782[/snapback]
I have an idea that may or may not work here....Since Barnabas is seeking answers here why don't those who are caring to share their beliefs and understandings just start a new thread for him only...Example:
Topic title: By mmddll
For barnabas
Let the first post be a guideline for others coming to read: Such as the following...
This is a converstation between mmddll and barnabas only. Others are encouraged to read but please hold posting your comments...If you feel the need to post please start your own thread in the same manner this one was started...
Yes Barn will have probably 9000 converstations going on, but hey, he asked for it...
and the confusion is held to a minimum.....This rids the debates among the brethern and the jumbled teaching of 9000 peps joining the convo.....As each person will hold their own conversation with barnabas and thus allowing barn to come to his own conculsions and or beliefs....
Just a thought...
Not a bad idea...except there may be too many posts. Barnabas is here to have questions answered not hear endless debates and bickering. So maybe some ground rules.... ie no debating just a simple I disagree with this view and here is how I see it in Gods word etc. Otherwise Barnabas may go away discouraged and we do not want this.
We are here to encourage him in Christ... so debting back and forth is not going to solve anything.First of all, reread Revelation Barnabas if its been 25 years refresh yourself in this area.
It wasn't my intention to start a debate, and I suppose I acted without thinking when I responded to preterist, but if someone is going to post "innacurate" doctrine, isn't it our duty to correct it, especially when someone else is trying to learn about God's word? I feel I presented a fairly sound exegesis on Matthew 24 (not the best job, of course) which is clearly NOT limited to the time of the disciples and their "last days", even though the destruction of the temple is part of the subject matter. Now Barnabas can make up his own mind with an informed decision. I won't argue any further about it.
love and peace in Jesus Christ,
Malcolm
love and peace in Jesus Christ,
Malcolm
Man you guys are all awesome. I would say how about whoever wants to share, give me/us a condensed synoptsis of your "theory" on how the current events are tieing into Bible Prophecy, and/or what do we see the future holding and why, based on BP.
DISCLAIMER: This does not affect one's Salvation, so relax, be open, and let's talk.
If you do a long drawn out copy and paste (C&P), I may or may not read it. Tell me if it is a C&P at the beginning if you would. C&P's are nice, we have all done them, and will in the future, so that is not the point.
But if whomever could articulate to me (sounding like that beer commercial) WHATZ UP!! with respect to BP, I would appreciate it as it will expedite my learning curve.
In the interim, I will post in other forums on this site as well, and perhaps we can know and grow with each other. HERE, in Bible Prophecy (BP), I would like to stay on topic as close as we possibly can. I may hit ya in the head with a ruler if ya stray too much.
Here is an Ice Breaker...What has the Bible predicted (if anything) about countries uniting to help solve world problems.
In Christ, Love ya.
DISCLAIMER: This does not affect one's Salvation, so relax, be open, and let's talk.
If you do a long drawn out copy and paste (C&P), I may or may not read it. Tell me if it is a C&P at the beginning if you would. C&P's are nice, we have all done them, and will in the future, so that is not the point.
But if whomever could articulate to me (sounding like that beer commercial) WHATZ UP!! with respect to BP, I would appreciate it as it will expedite my learning curve.
In the interim, I will post in other forums on this site as well, and perhaps we can know and grow with each other. HERE, in Bible Prophecy (BP), I would like to stay on topic as close as we possibly can. I may hit ya in the head with a ruler if ya stray too much.
Here is an Ice Breaker...What has the Bible predicted (if anything) about countries uniting to help solve world problems.
In Christ, Love ya.
QUOTE(barnabas @ Feb 12 2007, 04:31 PM) [snapback]101874[/snapback]
Man you guys are all awesome. I would say how about whoever wants to share, give me/us a condensed synoptsis of your "theory" on how the current events are tieing into Bible Prophecy, and/or what do we see the future holding and why, based on BP.
DISCLAIMER: This does not affect one's Salvation, so relax, be open, and let's talk.
If you do a long drawn out copy and paste (C&P), I may or may not read it. Tell me if it is a C&P at the beginning if you would. C&P's are nice, we have all done them, and will in the future, so that is not the point.
But if whomever could articulate to me (sounding like that beer commercial) WHATZ UP!! with respect to BP, I would appreciate it as it will expedite my learning curve.
In the interim, I will post in other forums on this site as well, and perhaps we can know and grow with each other. HERE, in Bible Prophecy (BP), I would like to stay on topic as close as we possibly can. I may hit ya in the head with a ruler if ya stray too much.
Here is an Ice Breaker...What has the Bible predicted (if anything) about countries uniting to help solve world problems.
Not to hijack the thread but I would love to hear prete. respond to the question posed by mm...if it all ended in 70 ad, what happens next? are we just stuck here forever with no change in the status quo? I know there are some who think like pret. That all prophecy was completed by 70 ad..but what now?
Barnabas-I will tell you what I think. I think the 7000 yr theory is true. Man will be here 6000 yrs then Jesus will comeback and reign for 1000. I think we are in the early 5990's. I think the rapture will happen sometime shortly before tribulation starts but we dont know the day or hr. then 7 yrs of trib, antichrist takes over the entire world by mid trib and sets up is image (statue) in jerusalem and demands worship for 42 jewish months. This leads to the battle of armegeddon and Jesus comes back with all his saints. Satan is bound for 1000 yrs and Jesus rules from Jerusalem. Then satan is loosed, attacks jerusalem, is defeated by fire from heaven and eternity begins with a new jerusalem, new heaven, new earth. I got evidence of my beliefs that are in scripture if you want me to defend any of this. Hope to see you there!
In Christ, Love ya.
QUOTE(mmddll @ Feb 12 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]101863[/snapback]
It wasn't my intention to start a debate, and I suppose I acted without thinking when I responded to preterist, but if someone is going to post "innacurate" doctrine, isn't it our duty to correct it, especially when someone else is trying to learn about God's word? I feel I presented a fairly sound exegesis on Matthew 24 (not the best job, of course) which is clearly NOT limited to the time of the disciples and their "last days", even though the destruction of the temple is part of the subject matter. Now Barnabas can make up his own mind with an informed decision. I won't argue any further about it.
love and peace in Jesus Christ,
Malcolm
mmddll just to let you know, I was just using your name as an example only....I hope you didn't mind...
Also, 1LikeDeborah I see what you're saying, but as you know, sometimes it won't work out no matter how much the original poster requests...Someone will see something they feel is in error and then the debate begins...There has to be some sense of order to the request barnabas made and IMHO as that is they only way I can see there will be some order...But, it was just an idea, no biggie...
QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 13 2007, 10:29 AM) [snapback]101953[/snapback]
QUOTE(mmddll @ Feb 12 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]101863[/snapback]
It wasn't my intention to start a debate, and I suppose I acted without thinking when I responded to preterist, but if someone is going to post "innacurate" doctrine, isn't it our duty to correct it, especially when someone else is trying to learn about God's word? I feel I presented a fairly sound exegesis on Matthew 24 (not the best job, of course) which is clearly NOT limited to the time of the disciples and their "last days", even though the destruction of the temple is part of the subject matter. Now Barnabas can make up his own mind with an informed decision. I won't argue any further about it.
love and peace in Jesus Christ,
Malcolm
mmddll just to let you know, I was just using your name as an example only....I hope you didn't mind...
Also, 1LikeDeborah I see what you're saying, but as you know, sometimes it won't work out no matter how much the original poster requests...Someone will see something they feel is in error and then the debate begins...There has to be some sense of order to the request barnabas made and IMHO as that is they only way I can see there will be some order...But, it was just an idea, no biggie...
barnabas, in an attempt to further answer your origingal post question: You know where Im coming from (read my earlier post) so you can say Im nuts and disregard this or you can say ok that makes sense, and hear me out here. I posted my first response so you would know how I think it all ties in. First, bible prophecy; it is my humble opinion that we will soon see a peace treaty in the mid east-it will require that Israel dismantle the security fence it is building (among other things). this peace will be short lived because the Rapture will happen which will remove the US from protecting Israel. Iran will invade Israel (gog magog)-God will wipe them out in the golan heights and the antichrist will confirm the original peace treaty between the arabs and Israel. He will eventually use the powers of the world bank to force the euro to be used world wide (most countries will be already do to the dollar collapse at rapture)...we all know the anti sets up a one world relegion in the last 3.5 yrs of trib.
Global warming is kinda a joke. In the 70's the ''experts'' said an iceage was coming. Liberals around the world use global warming to create tax revenue to further their agenda. The anti will do the same...I got a unique theory on how the sun scorches people in Revelation. It is going to move. It moved at the time of the flood I think and again at the time of Joshua and then for Hezekiah. It didnt move much but it dont take much. It will have a sunquake and will move slightly closer to earth. That will allow for some scorching.
QUOTE(duncdrewnoah @ Feb 13 2007, 03:09 PM) [snapback]101991[/snapback]
barnabas, in an attempt to further answer your origingal post question: You know where Im coming from (read my earlier post) so you can say Im nuts and disregard this or you can say ok that makes sense, and hear me out here. I posted my first response so you would know how I think it all ties in.
I do not see a previous post where you have posted something.
QUOTE(duncdrewnoah @ Feb 13 2007, 03:09 PM) [snapback]101991[/snapback]
First, bible prophecy; it is my humble opinion that we will soon see a peace treaty in the mid east-it will require that Israel dismantle the security fence it is building (among other things). this peace will be short lived because the Rapture will happen which will remove the US from protecting Israel. Iran will invade Israel (gog magog)-God will wipe them out in the golan heights and the antichrist will confirm the original peace treaty between the arabs and Israel. He will eventually use the powers of the world bank to force the euro to be used world wide (most countries will be already do to the dollar collapse at rapture)...we all know the anti sets up a one world relegion in the last 3.5 yrs of trib.
I hate to say it, but I do automatic bill pay and use a debit card. I am about as CASHLESS as one can be. It is so convenient.
QUOTE(duncdrewnoah @ Feb 13 2007, 03:09 PM) [snapback]101991[/snapback]
Global warming is kinda a joke. In the 70's the ''experts'' said an iceage was coming. Liberals around the world use global warming to create tax revenue to further their agenda. The anti will do the same...I got a unique theory on how the sun scorches people in Revelation. It is going to move. It moved at the time of the flood I think and again at the time of Joshua and then for Hezekiah. It didnt move much but it dont take much. It will have a sunquake and will move slightly closer to earth. That will allow for some scorching.
UHG!!! Yes, I just finished another debate partly about global warming, and in my summation I mentioned that if the "left" can get litterally billions of dollars for a problem that doesn't exist, they could take that money and put it elsewhere and certainly use it to aid in theirs causes elsewhere.
Here is a true story I read and the references below regaurding the story...
...Now the Pinot Noir grape may help settle this debate. The harvest date for this grape is so closely tied to weather that average annual temperatures can be determined from the date of the harvest. Harvest dates for the grape have been carefully recorded for centuries in Burgundy, France. These records have harvest dates for every harvest since 1370. Researchers were able to correlate these dates with average annual temperatures. The year 2003 was actually the warmest in over 6 centuries of data, while the second warmest years were in the 1520's and again in the 1650's. No modern warming cycle has yet lasted as long as those of 350 years ago. The findings also show that there was a long, cold period that lasted from the 1750's until the 1970's.
After the Flood, God promised that the seasons, with their seed time and harvest, would not cease while the world is here. However, He did not promise that there wouldn't be cycles. But we can be comforted by the fact that He has promised that the weather will always allow crops to be grown.
References: Nature, Vol. 432, 18/11/04, pp. 289-290, "Grape ripening as a past climate indicator."
QUOTE(dennis mann @ Feb 9 2007, 07:54 PM) [snapback]101526[/snapback]
My point is:
The un-believers are getting crazier by the minute. The Bible speaks of "confusion, Reprobate mind".
As it gets darker on the outside, it will get brighter on the inside.
QUOTE(dennis mann @ Feb 9 2007, 07:54 PM) [snapback]101526[/snapback]
Believers are promised a "sound mind".
Have Mercy! God has not given us a Spirit of Fear...but a sound mind.
Sidebar: Fear can be commanded, as it is a Spirit. Just an FYI.
No offense taken, Pamela
and no offense meant to anyone else by me
and no offense meant to anyone else by me
QUOTE(Pamela @ Feb 13 2007, 10:29 AM) [snapback]101953[/snapback]
QUOTE(mmddll @ Feb 12 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]101863[/snapback]
It wasn't my intention to start a debate, and I suppose I acted without thinking when I responded to preterist, but if someone is going to post "innacurate" doctrine, isn't it our duty to correct it, especially when someone else is trying to learn about God's word? I feel I presented a fairly sound exegesis on Matthew 24 (not the best job, of course) which is clearly NOT limited to the time of the disciples and their "last days", even though the destruction of the temple is part of the subject matter. Now Barnabas can make up his own mind with an informed decision. I won't argue any further about it.
love and peace in Jesus Christ,
Malcolm
mmddll just to let you know, I was just using your name as an example only....I hope you didn't mind...
Also, 1LikeDeborah I see what you're saying, but as you know, sometimes it won't work out no matter how much the original poster requests...Someone will see something they feel is in error and then the debate begins...There has to be some sense of order to the request barnabas made and IMHO as that is they only way I can see there will be some order...But, it was just an idea, no biggie...
I hope Malcom you didn't think I was criticizing! Please do not feel this way. And no I did not think you were wrong for correcting the idea of preterism.
I guess the whole idea on what I meant is that we can correct but kind of keep it short and simple. So that we do not have people creating arguments going back and forth all the time.
Group hug. Moving forward in this BP thread, any thoughts on my last post, or other insights into the subect at hand?
I understand. I didn't think you were criticizing. I know very well how it snowballs and gets out of hand sometimes. There's no love lost here
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