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mmddll
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http://www.solidrockchurch.org/king_ofkings.php

I pass by this place just about every week on I-71 in Ohio (just north of Cincinatti) and I always think of how much it looks like the car dealerships and RV dealers nearby (with the flashy signs trying to sell you something). They even have their own Plasma screen marquis in front of this statue. Is this what God wants?

and then there is this...

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[left]Solid Rock Church has established a Secure Server Connection in order to further simplify paying tithes. NOW, you can set up your i.tithe easily online.
It is SAFE!
It is SECURE!
It is CONFIDENTIAL!
i.tithe online is a new way of fulfilling your commitment to God.
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http://www.solidrockchurch.org/itithe.php


Is this from God, or is this from greed?
RAF_Ogg
I wonder if they have Jesus bobbleheads on sale in the gift shop smile.gif

Maybe I am over opinionated,,,but this strikes me as wrong.
mmddll
Bobbleheads! LOL!!!



That's funny, because when I think of bobblehead, I think of those football player bobbleheads. While I was searching for this church, I found a blog site where someone was trying to come up with slogans for a picture of this. One person said "Touchdown!" (Or Fieldgoal?)



LOL



The main thing is that Jesus Christ is preached. There is scripture concerning preaching Jesus with wrong motives, but that at least he is being preached. So it's a sticky issue.
RAF_Ogg
There is no sin in paper mache.
As long as its done to Christs Glory,,,,

I agree, Its not the building,,,its not the statue, its the message thats preached that matters.

(field goal LOL)


excubitor
QUOTE(RAF_Ogg @ Jan 29 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]100141[/snapback]

There is no sin in paper mache.
As long as its done to Christs Glory,,,,

I agree, Its not the building,,,its not the statue, its the message thats preached that matters.

(field goal LOL)

Basically mega churches are a bad idea. Anyone interested should check Spirit Led vs. Purpose Driven by Berit KJos
http://www.newswithviews.com/BeritKjos/kjos20.htm

Rick Warrens books and programs are a hodge podge of humanism, modern psychology and business practices. The emphasis is not upon growing the church in the grace and knowledge of the word, but rather growing the church numbers for the purpose of reaping a greater harvest of tithes and offerings. Marketing hype is used to attract the sheep (or should I say goats) into the fold.

Have a look at Spurgeon "Feeding the sheep or amusing the goats" to show how the church compromises the gospel in order to attract the world into the church. see http://www.biblebelievers.net/Apostasy/kjcfeed.htm

We have the disgusting situation now where Community churches are springing up all over the place with self appointed pastors with dubious theological training starting up their own church enterprises trying to build the church into another Saddleback or Hillsong. These community churches are extremely autocratic and abuse members who resist their methods. Read http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/04/4-purpose-resisters.htm for a description of how the emerging church handles resistors to transitioning change.

Now we have the traditional churches which are hollowed out shells after the community churches and mega churches have sucked them dry. How have they done this. By providing a rich spiritual heritage which can be tracked back the founding church fathers. No, but by upbeat music, hype, youth programs, cafe style small groups, christian-easy. Some of these churches are like night clubs. On a beautiful sunny Sunday morning you enter the church which is all blacked out with shades over the windows. The floodlights and spotlights highlight the band which is pumping with shoop-shoop sound. The audience goes from heightened excitement to almost catatonic sleep as the pastor jumps around trying to arouse some interest in his feeble and bland fifteen minute sermon. Then when the sermon is over and the music starts again the crowd jumps to their feet, hands waving, tears tumbling down their fervent faces. As they file out after the service they walk past the book stand a turn to the left and they will be in the bookstore with the programs, cd's videos, books galore. If they turn to the right they will find the coffee shop.

Can anyone imagine anything further from the church described in the NT.
I pray that everyone here will not be duped but will return to their quiet, traditional churches.

Jer 6:16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. 17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Surely we live in a perilous age of apostasy. Who will listen? Who will turn back to the old paths? Very few as they rush blindly into trendy new ways which will ultimately lead them into apostasy and the abandonment of all that is Holy.
Gavrial
[quote name='excubitor' date='Jan 29 2007, 12:33 AM' post='100150']

excubitor said,

Can anyone imagine anything further from the church described in the NT. I pray that everyone here will not be duped but will return to their quiet, traditional churches.

Jer 6:16 Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. 17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

Surely we live in a perilous age of apostasy. Who will listen? Who will turn back to the old paths? Very few as they rush blindly into trendy new ways which will ultimately lead them into apostasy and the abandonment of all that is Holy.

Excellant thought 'excubitor' Will not judgment first fall in the 'fake rock' houses or has it already been passed, as apostasy has already got 'its hooks into deep'?

From Monday, January 29, 2007 to the 'seventh trumpet', Rosh Hashanah, Tuesday, September 30, 2008
is 610 days or 1 year, 8 months, and 1 day

I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken. My prayer is that EVERYONE WILL HEARKEN to the "sound of the trumpet" because I believe the first four will blow almost simultaneously sometime between the next six weeks to six months.

It all depends on the 'day total' of the "sixth trumpet". What I do believe with all my heart is that the 'vision' of 2300 days is true and Yeshua will cleanse the sanctuary on Yom Kippur, October 9, 2008.

Baruch haba ba Shem Adonai Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord
sojourner
"Feeding the sheep or amusing the goats"

I like that wink.gif

sojourner
mmddll
Great comments! I really believe this needs to be brought out into the open. These churches remind of how Walmart just seems to be popping up everywhere swallowing the little mom and pop fishes.
RAF_Ogg
We are warned about this durning end times,,,
where even the very elect would be decieved.






AGAPEaNg
When people say return to "your first love," Jesus Christ, it reminds me that He WAS my, and many other's, first love! I, and most others that I know, was raised in the church and in a Christian environment and before I chased after boys, I was in love with God! Last year I got interested in the occult but now I am back in the church that always strengthened my faith and never lead me into confusion. So I now understand what you all mean and I am so thankful that I am no longer being decieved and that I know I can trust my Lord, and I will continue to pray for my loved ones who have strayed and are still lost.
flyingsquirrel
Reading this post reminding of this dream: http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...ic=5265&hl=

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Apr 12 2006, 05:04 PM
This dream had Passover in it ( I forgot it was comming up!) I think the dream is pretty clear cut in its message so I post it here.

I was riding in the passenger seat of my own car and my father was driving through the country side. The air temperature was very warm, like summer, and the grass was green, but it was after the harvest because all the fields had been harvested of their crops ( after the harvest of the earth) I looked up at the sky and it was divided in half. One half of the sky was black, and in the black sky the sun was MUCH bigger ( meaning the sun had to be much closer ) and I could see every detail of the sun; every promience, sun spots, ribbons, etc. The heat under this sky was like a great furnance or volcano. The other half the sky was blue, no clouds, and the sun was normal, and the air temperature was just perfect. I was under the blue sky. I was feeling a little afraid of the black sky, because it followed after us, bathing the homes of sinners with a horrible heat but, I was always under the blue sky. I remarked how awful that heat must be, even indoors, because the sun would cook the house through the windows ( remember the heat in Revelation that punishes sinners left alive on earth? ) .
Dad said, "That's it! We are going to settle these apocalypse dreams of yours once and for all!"

We stopped at a little church. It looked like it hadn't been used in years (spiritual neglect in Christian community). I thought it was empty but inside were people. All these people that called themselves Christian were no different then the sinners they lived among. They were not interested in praising GOD or growing spiritually, all they wanted was an excuse to party! They drank beer and celebrated Passover by sweeping bread crumbs around on the floor instead of the actual passover bread. They were so into hearing their own noise making, they were so loud, I couldn't hear myself think. I asked, 'How can I even have a serious conversation with God around here? How can I focus on God with these people's attitudes?'

I sat down in resignation. Dad sat with me, then I noticed He had a light around him and coming from him. I recongnized this wasn't my Dad, this was Jesus appearing to me in a dream in the form of my Dad. He smiled at me, a knowing kind of smile like "See what's it like?" I was the only one in church who recongnized the presence of Jesus. Some boy offered me a drink of water for me and 'my old man' like he was a worthless human being not worth's anyone's time because he didn't bring any beer for them. Sad statement if most people who call themselves Christian are like this.



I'm sure GOD will shake up and challege those who are just there for the party. How are they any different from the people they claim to distinguish themselves from? Are not unbelievers just looking for the next party? If Christians do the same thing, and call it Christian, is it any different? No! Our joy is from the Spirit, not from marketing gimmicks!

I-tithe just sounds like a way for people to show off their good works, like the Pharisees in Jesus's time, who liked to make lengthy prayers for a show only, but were as greedy as tax collectors...this church seems more of a show off than a humble example of GOD's work
signet
fs...that is just what came to mind...having the best places, and
making the longest prayers...and being seen (and known) of
many...making a way for themselves, whereas true humility
allows God to make the way, build the church and lead the people.

there is a church that i drive by sometimes that has a larger
population than the town i work in...people like to be associated
with big as in better, yet many times and mostly, it is the small
and ignored places, and people of God that have waited upon
the Lord and will burst forth with the power and authority of God
that you will never see in large institutions.

not everyone believes that raising the dead is for today, but
the church that grows like the bank gotta please the investors
or the lights go out. some don't even realize that the lights
never went on...some of those are dead a long time now...
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