I see or read the following words "my truth" from someone as in God's truth, and I say "huh"?

What is "God's truth?" Who knows God's truth?

Well, lets see. I don't know anything about God but only what I believe. I believe in Jesus Christ but I know I never have seen him before or shook hands with him. I never seen God and I don't hear him with my ears.

I speak to God but I don't know if he hears me. It's not like I heard a voice distinctly of God saying "Yes Bob, I hear you." All I hear is silence. I can only believe he hears me.

I tell God, I am not a righteous man. I curse, I get angry, I am impatient but I have a lot of wants; I want to love, I want to be honest, I want to be "sinless" (whatever that means).

This is what I do know about myself I am authentic, in that I mean not to judge others let alone myself. So I can say then that when I am asking God for some answers I spout out a four letter word or two. Is it disprespectful to God? I don't know, but all I know is that I still love God.

I am what I am, God. You made me; you work with it! That is what I say to the Lord.

I had an epiphany the other day, loving God, loving Jesus Christ hurts, and it hurts like AYCH, EE, double hockysticks. It's like that with me almost everyday. If fact I wonder what kind of love can I have for God if it doesn't hurt. Maybe I'd end up plastic-like and insensitive without that pain. I think the pain keeps me from becoming a hypocrite. If my thinking is correct then I imagine the Pharasees and the Saduccess hated whenever they felt pain to their pride, if so maybe that's what made them hypocrites, that they could not stand the pain to their pride?

I don't believe that "little voice inside my head" is God or the devil but just my thinking about things, some of it so spontaneous to the point that I think afterwards "whoa, where the heck did that come from?" I often feel that I will be glad when that part of me that will stay in the grave when I am gone, because I don't want that sort of thinking to inherit the kingdom of heaven.

I thought the other day if God is not real I will never know the truth, I will never know if he is or is not real, so I am stuck with believing in the mean time.

...I started the post several hours ago, but now, I feel much better. I pray to Christ that his Spirit of praise and love for Him returns, to displace this shadow of mine trying to keep Jesus out.

Love HB

If I have learned anything the past fasting days it is that God is our FATHER....As we, in our imperfection will not condemn our kids for imperfections, nor harm them for their faults, neither does He...He treats me like I treat my dog...He may do a "do" on the floor. but I do not cast him out...

How many times have I "defecated" and "desecrated" in God's temple ...me..the house of the Lord...!!!

(IN MY TEMPLE ARE MANY MANSIONS) and yet I live...not apart from God, but in a close calling to that understanding...that my spirit is the centre of my being and His Spirit is the centre of my spirit, the Lord is in His Holy Temple, which temple I am...the lights are on and someone is home...the creator God, He is Yaweh!! There are many mansions within me....

I can say I've met Jesus because when I was about 4 years old, I died, and Jesus ressurected me from the dead, long after modern medicine gave up on me and called the coroner to come to the hospital to come get my body. I woke fully healed and in better health than the average kid my age. The doctor and nurse were shocked (and imagine my parent's surprize, because they watched me die). I met Jesus before anyone told me about Him, and the fact that GOD showed the doctor and the nurse that He is in control, and that ressurrection from the dead is real and can be medically verified is evidence of His power to the unbeliever and to me to always remind me that if any athesist thinks he's going to win an arguement with me, he's in for a shock! If some new ager or someone tries to say there is no ressurection, they're in for a shock too. I know from my experience that we don't experience seeing GOD and hearing Him audibly because His Glory is too great for us, we are dust, He is forever. We in the physical live in an illusion. That is all the physical is, and that is the best way to explain it, that its a kind of an illusion. Sin keeps us apart from the Glory of GOD too. In the begining, GOD walked and talked with Adam like we talk to each other, but after Adam sinned, and people got more and more wicked, GOD would communicate directly less and less and would use angels, signs, and dreams to communicate. Now we have the Holy Spirit to talk to us, to counsel us. When we are glorified, the illusion will be gone, and we will see GOD clearly, because without that illusion and sin in the way, GOD's glory fills the universe. Won't those athesists be surprized, when Jesus comes back. I will say, HEY I TOLD YOU SO! HumbleBob, trust me, He's there, and very real, and you can, through your walk in your relationship with GOD, have the veil of illusion of the physical reality removed, even though you are still living in the body. GOD has done this for me. Now I can see clearly the spiritual energy of sin, recongnize the work of Satan imediately, and see and understand how the world of the spiritual that is actual reality behind the lives we live. Beware though, because in my experience, Satan's most intense attack will come againist you the closer you get to the goal. Satan wants to keep you blind, but if you stand firm and face him, you will defeat all his forces with faith. You will be better equipped to fight the enemy once GOD reveals to you what is illusion and what is real. Satan can't win when he can no longer decieve.

I hope you don't mind me submitting this long song, but your post reminds me of this particular song that has been one of my favorites the past few years, especially lately. I think it's very encouraging and it touches my heart everytime I hear it; it really just sums up how I feel.

Strong Enough, by Stacie Orrico

As I rest against this cold, hard wall
Will you pass me by?
Will you criticize me as I sit and cry?
I had fought so hard and thought
that all my battles had been won
Only to find the war has just begun

Is He not strong enough?
Is He not pure enough?
To break me, pour me out, and start again
Is He not brave enough?
To take one chance on me
Please can I have one chance to start again?

Will my weakness for an hour make me suffer for a lifetime?
Is there anyway to be made whole again?
If I'm healed,renewed, and find forgiveness
find the strength I've never had
Will my scars forever ruin all God's plan?

Is He not strong enough?
Is He not pure enough?
To break me, pour me out, and start again
Is He not brave enough?
To take one chance on me
Please can I have one chance to start again?

He took my life into his hands and it turned it all around
In my most desperate circumstance
It's there I've finally found

That You are strong enough
That You are pure enough
To break me, pour me out and start again
That You are brave enough
To take one chance on me
Oh Thank You for my chance to start again

i love you guys, so much...

my life has been so difficult since i came to the Lord over 20 years
ago...

i don't know what else to say...challenge is a light word...making
decisions, being led down the narrow path...ever smaller, ever smaller
giving up, letting go of worldly self...and going where...all the time
knowing that there is no place except to go on with the Lord, the
holy highway. i only want to help, be a steward of His Word...and
don't know how to do that but daily surrender...i don't know how to
do that either...but to go through the gate...

what if ? the worst ...there is noone there...does that mean that
i have taken a crazy pill and it is empty religion...does a God of love
promise that which He will not deliver...is He a man that He should
lie? His Word says not...how much can i trust...i have walked a long
time...and i love the Lord...and i know that He loves me...

what else is there? do we get what we get out of our own head...
who would think like this? the challenge...do we continue to walk this
narrow road...with Him, individually...for our relationship
is certainly only Him...not a feel good preach...it is the walk with the
Word...

i am crying out, here...

God, please roll away the stone...and let us see the empty tomb...
and that i am not in His place...yet i identify with Him because He
has identified with me, and taken me with Him, though my person
is still here...experiencing the need of a Savior...and reaching out
to all that i can, to speak of a love that i cannot describe...

how do i do this? only the Holy Spirit...inworking in my life...and
that is the thing i cling to, that the Word is manifest in my life...and
my struggle to believe and be stretched...i don't know any other way.

i had a dream some years ago...that i was climbing a mountain...it was
so huge and i would get tired of struggling...then look down...wondering which way
to go...comfort of going back? is that even possible, or pushing forward.
i continued on to the top after the third attempt to reach the top...

as i came to the top, not quite there...i saw a sky. so blue...like heaven,
as before i had to keep my eyes on the road to make sure my footing
was solid...that i would not continue to slide down...and weary of the
journey...

when i reached the summit i saw the greatest white light shining at the
head of the mountain...and as the mist rolled back...i saw the Cross of
the Lord Jesus Christ...my heart pounded wildly, as it is now... at the
time i realize the Cross i heard voices crying out... and i stepped back
to see where they were coming from....i was standing on a dias and
underneath i could see countless people, souls crying out, "How long?"

the Lord gave the scripture from the Book of the Revelation.

now i cry out publicly for them, and myself and for all who need a Savior
in Jesus Christ...How long? Lord, come quickly. We need you...

Come quickly YESHUA

AMEN

I know not.....well, I "know not" alot of things.

But I KNOW whom I have believed, and am pursuaded that He is able to keep all I have committed unto Him against that day!

My favorite song. Real simple for a real simple girl.

leia

God forms the spirit of man within him. He forms some for honor and some for dishonor.
Your problem is that you can't really believe unless you see with your eyes and hear with your ears and feel with your flesh.
In Short you are caught up in the wisdom of men with no faith in the power of God. The spirit that would say "if God is not real" is not from God but is from man and doubt.
Your teachers have made you in their image. Faithless men doing what men do for money in the name of the Lord.
When the sheep become more knowledgeable than the hireling shepherds then they become full of pain being rejected by man and God. What a horrible place to be. You can move on out of that place by doing what Christ said to do. By which you can move out of the flesh of man into the painless Spirit of God. Fleshly nerve pain is nothing and not even considered by one who walks in the Spirit of God. But Spiritual pain is a terrible reality of letting go of the spirit of man and coming into the presence of God.

Zechariah 12
Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
James 1
But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind.

Where I search is in me. I do not search the hills, or the sky. I don't search in the things l own, in food, or objects or my clothes or in the things I do. But I search for God and for Christ in me.

Like the angel that steals into the night who Jacob wrestled he did not see but he felt the force and the resistance of his struggling against that which is spiritual. My search in me brings me to confrontations, it brings me to nashings, it brings me to howlings, it brings me to doubt my knowledge and my understanding, it brings me to pain, it brings me to a set back, it brings me to cynacism, it brings me to humility.

But I do not give up. Must I see God with my eyes? Must I touch Christ with my hands? The Lord has given me much but I say for me it is not enough! I want more, and so I search deeper in myself.

When I speak here in this forum, I learned that I speak for myself less I should risk judging another that I may be judged the same by God. I say to myself "watch my words for if someone should read them as harsh I may bruise a tender shoot."

If I am not satisfied that I do not see God with my eyes then I pray the Lord to bless me more for looking, and if I want to hear the Lord with my ears then I pray the Lord bless me more for straining my ears, and all the while I look and listen inside of me.

Never did I say I could see and hear but I am tired of being blind and deaf. If the Pharasees and the Saducees could even admit as much how much more would they have been blessed?



Then I am looking in the wrong place as I should be then looking for God and Christ in this world! In the gold, in the silver, in the wood, in the money, in writing, in the company of other people, in philosophy, in this forum, in the ritual, in the sacred objects. And, only if I had a better computer, if I had a better house, if I had a better car, if I had better clothes, if I had a better job, if I had a better education, if I had better friends, if I went to a better church...

...I am not looking in these places anymore because these were all dead ends to me. I am looking for Christ inside of me where I hope he dwells, for he did say "the kingdom of heaven IS within."

Love HB

MY BEAUTIFUL BRIDE:I speak to you rich words, words of life, words of purity, words that fill a heart with gladness. Why do My words do all of this in a person’s life? Quite simply put, My words are truth, pure truth. There are no words in My holy scriptures that are tainted by the world. My words do just exactly what I foreordained them to do – purify a heart with truth, My truth, and My wonderful words of life.
Take My words into yourself. Turn them over and over in your mind. Look at them from every direction. Examine them thoroughly. Then chew awhile on the simplicity of My truth. My words were not spoken to confound My chosen. They were spoken to open up My heart to you. They were spoken to benefit you in your walk.
I am a God Who speaks only truth, and I speak it for good reasons. I want to purify My children’s hearts. I want to renew your mind. I don’t want you thinking words that are contrary to what is truth. I want you thinking words that will boost you into that season of hope that I have provided for you.




Poem from Beth Moore

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I've arrived at a conclusion
maybe one of life's rare finds
that there's not a lot worth salvaging
within this heart of mine.
It's ever ready to destruct
and lie above all things...
It tends to laugh when it should cry
and mourn when it should sing.

I've wasted countless hours begging,
"Fix this heart Lord, please!"
while it stomps its feet, demands its way
and floods with sin's disease.

At last, your able to get through
and lay it on the line:
"You must give up that heart of yours
and trade it in for mine."

So I cry out with the psalmist,
create within me, Lord
Anew heart crystal clear
that only Calvary could afford.

A heart which pounds the rhythm
of heaven's metronome
and issues forth a boundless love
and beats for You alone.

I want to love that which You love,
despising what you hate
and see myself as least of these
oh Lord, retaliate

The efforts of the evil one
who seeks to make my plea
that of his own, "I'll make no move
til I've considered me."

Pell away my fingers,
finally make me understand
the power to love and please You
can't be found within a man.

So, my Lord I bring this offering;
a stubburn heart of stone
And ask You, in its absence,
please exchange it for Your own.



Garbage day! Time is running out! Mind take a break! Let's read the Word and fill-up/eat/drink God's spiritual breath and life and peace and joy and love! WHY DO WE WANT TO PLAY IN THE MUD AND STINK???????? GOBBELLY-GOOK - BYE-BYE! In the name of Jesus

And if the Light that is in you is darkness. How deep is that darkness? Will you find Christ in that darkness. Will God dwell in that darkness?
Inside of you where you are searching is flesh. Raised in the flesh taught by the flesh and unable to shed the painful flesh to find heaven where God and Christ dwell. God and Christ are not in mans world but Christ showed and taught how to walk out of mans world and walk with Him.
How many have you heard say "I have Jesus in my Heart"? Yet when you look at their foundation for movement it does not at all resemble Jesus Christ. If they were to know the truth to tell it, It would more truthfully be stated. "I think about Jesus Christ every now and then" “But I am not even going to look at what He told me to do”.

Matthew 6
23 But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Luke 6
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?

Hb

He is in this world...He's everywhere. In worldly riches...other people and this forum. When ever he wants, where ever he wants.

Once you believe you will see him everywhere. Then you'll say "STOP GOD! STOP!
It's too much....tell Moses instead!"

As ferv says: He's our Father...A fathers voice can be tough to hear. Remember the old adage..."Wait till your Father gets home! The Holy Spirit is one with you. That's why you think you're talking to yourself!

Jesus comes sometimes...Most don't get to experience him. But l believe ALL hear the voice of the Spirit at one time or another...they just choose not to believe.

Now the Fathers voice is different...
Just ask Isaiah...

God has shown me over the last few months the difference between the manifest presence of the Father, the manifest presence of Jesus and the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit. They are one and yet manifest very differently.

Ive only experianced Jesus twice. Once and then twice on the same issue to confirm. I experience the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit nearly every day now....But the manifest presence of God is different.
That's the one that puts you on your face. It's no still small voice. Each time l've experianced him it has been at a rebuke. But a rebuke he intended to forgive me for or l would have never gotten up again.

The voice of the Lord God almighty is a loud horn...who can hear it!

Godsloft, thank you for your inputs, but I take none of what you said personally applying to me. I've learned when I say "you" I often mean "me," so my understanding with "you" statements are these types of statements speak for the speaker. Here's an example.



Actually says to me



Hey, that sounds much more honest and authentic, because it make me wonder if I have darkness in me

so I read your post as purely applying to yourself, otherwise I would believe you are judging me.

as for the darkness, Jonah found God in darkness (or maybe God found Jonah in darkness ), at least that's what I believe.

...it's all a matter of perspective, which segways into my next response

Miki! Wow the Lord has really blessed you. I am very touched by that. But my walk with Christ is different as I suspect all who believe in Christ have a different walk with him. So I would not expect the Lord treat me the same, as I believe everyone has a different experience with Christ. Some seemingly more blessed than others. Is it fair? I don't know but I believe it's God's way and I accept that.

So, not much a spiritually deaf and blind person can do until Christ himself heals me. That's what I am waiting for.

Love to you all

My Children:

I have called you, to ascend the hill of Zion by way of praise.
For many of My own have been so weighed down and afflicted with what is
going on down below that they have forgotten that I indeed rule and
reign and that I sit upon the throne. I, the Lord God Almighty, am calling
My people to leave all that is behind them to come up higher. Do not
allow the baggage of the past to be as an anchor, but instead let go
because I am doing a new thing.

I speak to you now to spread your wings and let the wind of My Spirit
carry you higher. It is not something that is done by the flesh or by
your own strength; but as you stop struggling and cry out to Me, I will
fill you with new strength and stamina with which to run the race ahead.
I am calling you upwards. It is a constant call to look heavenwards at
what I am doing throughout this earth and in and through your lives.

As you soar high, you will see things as I see them. Even as the eagle
has sharp vision, so I am redefining the vision that My people currently
see. What was once blurry is now being made clear in your lives. I am
bringing a new level of truth that will clearly demarcate that which is
real from that which is not. Yet in spite of all I am doing, I say again:
Ascend the hill of Zion by way of praise. I do indeed dwell in the
praises of My people, and as you praise Me this season, you will not only
see walls crumble and breakthrough coming, but you will step into the
next level of intimacy and coming to a deeper knowledge of Who I am.

Yes indeed, the call has gone forth and I am indeed calling My children
higher in Me. No longer be satisfied with the normal, but reach forth;
climb higher into the realm of the impossible where there are no
limitations of the expression of praise.


To My people who desire more of Me, I say: Ascend, come up higher!
Worship and praise Me, for that will draw you closer to Me.

GENESIS 2 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden
of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree
of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou
shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die.

All that My people do not let go of is killing them. Tell them: "You need to let go and go through all you have been avoiding that has been shoved down deep inside you. Let go of the fear in your gut. Let go of the strangling hold on your throat. Shout and scream and lament and call out all the pain of abandonment, rejection, hating, shame, disappointments and all out. This is not a simple task. It is a burden I ask you to bear for this season. So you would draw away from the distractions in this world and draw nearer to Me, Your Abba, Your Papa, Your Savior, Your Lord, and Your everything. Go through this. I Am with you always! Always!! ALWAYS!!! We are going through this together. Trust Me. I will take you through. (Psalm 23).
I Am taking you to the Other Side. There is Milk and Honey, houses and lands, love and peace
and divine release from your Egypt. Come My Beloved."

If one is not empowered by love then they will not be able to "empower" [bless] anyone else.
The "leaven of unforgiveness" is a bitter root which if not forsaken shall poison one's "entire" existence.
Without a continually deeper working of the Spirit of the Cross" one shall never come to the place wherein they can be trusted with the "full measure" of the power that abides within them. As one abides in love - day after day after day the "leaven of compassion" shall surely "consume" them, and it is in "this place" that I am enabled to trust them with the aforementioned "full measure" of anointing [My power].
Having been "loved" by Divine Love one can never settle for the "emotional gratification" that many attempt to define as "love".

Truly I say to you, in this last hour the righteous shall be "clothed" with honour. But, in the same way, it is certain that the unrighteous shall be clothed with "dishonour".

{ January 30th: http://www.myutmost.org/01/0130.html

THE DILEMMA OF OBEDIENCE

"And Samuel feared to shew Eli the vision." 1 Samuel 3:15

God never speaks to us in startling ways, but in ways that are easy to misunderstand, and we say, "I wonder if that is God's voice?" Isaiah said that the Lord spake to him "with a strong hand," that is, by the pressure of circumstances. Nothing touches our lives but it is God Himself speaking. Do we discern His hand or only mere occurrence?

Get into the habit of saying, "Speak, Lord," and life will become a romance. Every time circumstances press, say, "Speak, Lord"; make time to listen. Chastening is more than a means of discipline, it is meant to get me to the place of saying, "Speak, Lord." Recall the time when God did speak to you. Have you forgotten what He said? Was it Luke 11:13, or was it 1 Thess. 5:23? As we listen, our ear gets acute, and, like Jesus, we shall hear God all the time.

Shall I tell my "Eli" what God has shown to me? That is where the dilemma of obedience comes in. We disobey God by becoming amateur providences - I must shield "Eli," the best people we know. God did not tell Samuel to tell Eli; he had to decide that for himself. God's call to you may hurt your "Eli;" but if you try to prevent the suffering in another life, it will prove an obstruction between your soul and God. It is at your own peril that you prevent the cutting off of the right hand or the plucking out of the eye.

Never ask the advice of another about anything God makes you decide before Him. If you ask advice, you will nearly always side with Satan. "Immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood." }

HB, you are a blessing to me and I am sure for many others that know you; I will pray for you.

THE DILEMMA OF OBEDIENCE




Excellant word!!!

"...Those that are well have no need of a physician, but those that
are sick". Matthew 9:12

Father,

your child has fasted and prayed and heard your voice to carry a
prayer burden to the rock. Father, i ask you to make your voice
clear for Robert, for he is seeking you for vision and listening for
your Word. remove the doubt, that he may know that in the still
small voice, or the trumpet, or in the wind, or in your Word...you
are already speaking. Robert, you are being tuned in...and you
are tuning in...more is coming. how loud do you want it? for He
certainly will answer your prayer.

HB, i am in agreement. your testimony and your journey has touched
me. i feel an outpouring of the Holy Spirit towards you. it is on the way.
The Kingdom of God is at hand.

signet

Pass the buck? After all if you have not obtained it, it must be unattainable. And if someone should show you to where it can not be denied, then, "they must have a demon". Nothing new under the sun. Such is the craftiness of the vanity of man.

TOUCHING JESUS IS ALL THAT MATTERS!
ARE YOU TUNING INTO THE KINGDOM STATION????? Or are you still in gobbely-gook staticland???

I rant and rave against God, stopping up my ears not to hear a single voice, keeping both demons and angels out. But I am hurt inside, the world being an instrument of my torment, for these days are very cold as Christ had said it would be.

I confess and lay my obstinance before the Lord and offer my wretched spiritual wreck of myself as well.

But I'll be damned for certain if I look upon the face of God and see the cruel expression that is the same in your avatar, Godsloft. Should the face of God be as cold and unbearing, that only offers righteous judgment condeming a man who opens himself completely to the Lord, only to make that man's spirit grovel lower, I am certainly lost then.

"Love" is the oil in ones lamp, and I still have some in me, but my lamp is a poor vessel and my oil runneth in waste.

Take good care, Godsloft, I find no love or comfort in your words and I am broken.

27 "Therefore you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: "Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you." '
28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, 'Thus says the Lord of hosts: "You shall certainly drink!
29 For behold, I begin to bring calamity on the city which is called by My name, and should you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of the earth," says the Lord of hosts.'

30 "Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them: 'The Lord will roar from on high, And utter His voice from His holy habitation; He will roar mightily against His fold. He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes, Against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth-- For the Lord has a controversy with the nations; He will plead His case with all flesh. He will give those who are wicked to the sword,' says the Lord."
32 Thus says the Lord of hosts: "Behold, disaster shall go forth From nation to nation, And a great whirlwind shall be raised up From the farthest parts of the earth.
33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.
34 "Wail, shepherds, and cry! Roll about in the ashes, You leaders of the flock! For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled; You shall fall like a precious vessel.
35 And the shepherds will have no way to flee, Nor the leaders of the flock to escape.
36 A voice of the cry of the shepherds, And a wailing of the leaders to the flock will be heard. For the Lord has plundered their pasture,
37 And the peaceful dwellings are cut down Because of the fierce anger of the Lord.
38 He has left His lair like the lion; For their land is desolate Because of the fierceness of the Oppressor, And because of His fierce anger."

YOU are not God...and the judgement you speak in every line
shall come back upon you...you won't be able to continue this way.

Believe the Gospel and live.

alot of my posts in this forum have a rough edge and aren't very comforting and are hard to understand, I'm sure. But at least I don't go around making personal and disparaging judgements on my brothers and sisters in this forum (not that I recall anyway). Humble Bob, rejoice when you suffer for righteousness sake. Hope that is more comfort than at least one person on this board has given you. I don't think I need to name any names.



I may be a little rough around the edges, but I'm certainly not that rough.

No I am not God. I'm the one He sent to deliver the message with fire. You want comfort? Then turn to the Lord with all of your heart, all of your soul, all of your mind and all of your strength. Harmful flattery will not help you make it through. Get the faith while it is still green outside. It gets harder as things start to dry up.

the Lord rebuke you...

"Where's the beef?"

yes!


and then, of course, this comes to mind...

"but love your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for He is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil".
Luke 6:35


"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart
bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh". Luke 6:45


So...there it is...we have another lesson...some have white cups
and are stained with the dregs...pray for deliverance
for only the BLOOD OF THE LAMB can deliver such as this, in the
name of JESUS CHRIST, SON OF THE LIVING GOD.


blessings,
signet

Yes you're right. That is such a hard lesson to learn sometimes (for me anyway).

...for all of us...all the time...

blessings upon you. Shalom Aleichem.

signet

Would it have done any good for the Pharisees to say that to Christ? How hardly will the Lord rebuke Himself.

are you claiming to be Jesus?

Jesus is God. Go back and read the post that you called on your lord to rebuke me over. I plainly told you who I am. Here it is again. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.



8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

40 "He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.

20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

Yea...I'm not the one in trouble this time.
Godsloft why don't you change that picture. Maybe people would listen more.
Jesus was the Good Shepherd when he set out after lost sheep. You look like the wolf.
The sheep are going to stay hid in the rocks.
Here's one for ya...
It's just as goofy as yours. Hey...but at least your honest.

We've gotta get you laughing HB.

I have to tell you a little story about Jacobs journey since God has made it such a revelation for me.

You want your own experience with the Lord. It's not enough to hear it from your parents or from Larry, Miki or Shekel. But WHILE JACOB WAS ASLEEP. The Lord gave him a vision. He wasn't just swinging on someone else's coat tails but God was revealing his purpose to him personally. Hip hip hooray. Lets build an altar! Now Jacob knows he was called out by God for a particular purpose. Everybody wants to be on purpose and everybody wants to recognize it. God obliges diligent seekers and HE IS LONG SUFFERING.

You know what l really like about you HB You reveal your life experience. When we talk to you we don't just talk about the Bible... But we see the living word working in you. You're no cut and paste job HB.

Some of you men could really learn from HB. (I have to get myself in trouble again. It's only been two paragraphs..) You know why you can learn? Because he talks about what's really going on his life, not just about what the Bible says. He's waiting for his own experience and he's telling us about it. Honesty!

The purpose driven life is just that. A lot of you should read it instead of just slamming your Bible in peoples faces. It's your fault. It seeks to soften the blow from those who love to quote scripture but never lived an honest day in their lives. May God have mercy on us all.

February 1, 2007: http://www.rbc.org/utmost/index.php
The Call of God

Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel . . . —1 Corinthians 1:17

Paul states here that the call of God is to preach the gospel. But remember what Paul means by "the gospel," namely, the reality of redemption in our Lord Jesus Christ. We are inclined to make sanctification the goal of our preaching. Paul refers to personal experiences only by way of illustration, never as the end of the matter. We are not commissioned to preach salvation or sanctification— we are commissioned to lift up Jesus Christ (see John 12:32 ). It is an injustice to say that Jesus Christ labored in redemption to make me a saint. Jesus Christ labored in redemption to redeem the whole world and to place it perfectly whole and restored before the throne of God. The fact that we can experience redemption illustrates the power of its reality, but that experience is a byproduct and not the goal of redemption. If God were human, how sick and tired He would be of the constant requests we make for our salvation and for our sanctification. We burden His energies from morning till night asking for things for ourselves or for something from which we want to be delivered! When we finally touch the underlying foundation of the reality of the gospel of God, we will never bother Him anymore with little personal complaints.

The one passion of Paul’s life was to proclaim the gospel of God. He welcomed heartbreak, disillusionment, and tribulation for only one reason— these things kept him unmovable in his devotion to the gospel of God.

Again AGAPEaNg... You've hit the nail on the head!

Oh yes, Miki. I do want some humor in my life. The otherday a person approached me and noted my sullen expression, like I was in a funeral precession; he did cheer me up in doing so.

Thanks Signet, Agape, mmddll.

Godsloft, it's funny how Miki mentions "hitting the nail on the head," because I believe God has many hammers. I don't see myself as much of a hammer but more as being hammered by the experiences of life. I love it that I can be more open to the Lord but still turn to the Him no matter how rude my expressions are to him, and it's a funny thing. Because no matter how angry and railing I am to God, I NEVER want to be right in my accusations. I would take no joy in ever proving God treated me wrong or being unfair. I may rant in a fit, but in my lucid moments I would be aghast to think I was just and the Lord unjust. Because I rely on God being ABSOLUTELY RIGHT in everything. He's my gold standard, my right square, He is the truth. God is the being who will do spiritual surgery on me, who will cut out the cancerous parts of my being, and I cannot afford that this doctor ever tell me "Uh, I misdiagnosed the condition" or "I amputated the wrong leg."

HE MADE ME FLAWED and he is not wrong for it! He made me sinful so that I would receive Christ! And I wouldn't want it any other way I will never make myself a saint or a holy person, but I would be glad if he even made me into a stone and inscribed His name on me

2 Corintians 2:9-10
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.


...Oh yeah, Robert Mitchum looks good on you , but I love you just the same, Godsloft.

Speak the truth and I'll confirm it. Speak folly and I'll expose it.
Let me tell you a little something about the experiences of Life. A couple of years ago there was a family of nine on their way to church one Sunday morning. A drunk truck driver went around another car on this two lane highway and hit the family head on. Everyone in the family van was killed from the baby to the grandmother. God killed them all. At that time the Lord revoked His grace towards them and cut them down. Does this anger you that I tell you the truth about such a thing? They were all walking in the ways of man and giving mouth service to God. God kills and God makes alive. God wounds and God heals. God has mercy on whom He chooses and destroys whom He chooses. How angry do you think the Lord has become by the time the day of wrath rolls around? Everyone walking in the vanity of their heart. This is especially true in the US. The remnant from the US will probably be very small.
Jonah didn't doubt for one second that God was real. Jonah was cocky with God but doubt was not an issue. God was ready willing and able to kill a whole shipload of men over Jonah. How many people are in your scope of influence who God will kill because you want soothing words instead of truth?

so what happened to the truck driver?

when a man with a disability from birth was brought before Jesus,,,,

Who sinned that caused this?
The mother?
The father?

Neither,,,,it was so that God could be glorified.

Christians and pagans alike die EVERYDAY
you cannot say just because a truck crossed a line and a whole family died, was because Gods wrath was against them.

Many people drive cars and trucks every day, and live to tell the tale,,,
does this mean they are living holy lives?
(had they been sinners,,,surely they'd have been struck down by a truck too eh?)

As for Jonah,,,
had he followed God's instructions from the start,,,,
only the city of Nineveh would have repented.
BUT
even though he was disobedient,,,
God caused it to work for HIS glory.
In addition to Nineveh, a ship full of pagan sailors witnessed/ experienced firsthand the reality of God.
(do you think any of them left the sea that day without reconsidering their position with God?)

The story of the prophet Jonah leaves with Jonah bitter because the judgment that HE wanted to see Nineveh receive,,,,,,
God granted mercy instead.

He died in the incident.




The one who Christ healed to glorify God has nothing to do with those who perish doing what those who perish do. Those who survive crashes have been shown mercy by the Lord and His grace for them did not end.
But now about the loosely used word "Christians". All who say they are Christians are not.
There are two different types of true Christians. Those who do what Christ taught for those who will live a Godly life within His boundaries, and those who want to be perfect and have left all to follow Him. Only those who have His Spirit who have left all to follow Him are worthy to obtain the resurrection from the dead at His return. These are all clear biblical principals.

Deuteronomy 32
39 'Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

Luke 6
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do the things which I say?


Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.


35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;

4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

How about quoting Luke 20 in context?





27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
32 Last of all the woman died also.
33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.





Who did you say it was that sent you Godsloft?

Do you really think that stumbling block that you are throwing down before the Lords sheep is anything for the Spirit of God? I quoted a part of Luke to show what Christ said and the final outcome from revelation which substantiates that it is not only then but now as well. The context that I used the scripture in still stands as a truth that Christ has taught to those who are listening. There are many stand alone truths that Christ told while being attacked by those who thought they were quite cleaver as well as some that He told while teaching His apostles.

For instance.

Matthew 21
21 So Jesus answered and said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.

The liars will teach you that this scripture is about overcoming obstacles that get in the way of your everyday life . When in fact it is about the Power of the Spirit of God and doing in the Spirit and the flesh exactly what it says. The question is how come the majority of Christian today don't believe anything that Christ said?

“O” yes here is another one for you. Everyone who believes that you go to heaven when you die. Is denying that there is a resurrection from the dead at Christs return. Just like the ones that He was answering in Luke 20.

And about your question at the end there mmddll. I'll re-answer that for you if you tell me "Who is it that you serve mmddll"?

People who have accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior...tho they be in sin and die, never the less go to heaven. We loose some battles but we win the war.

And Godsloft...You're angry at God. Anybody can see that who read your posts closely and not only that but HB bothers you because he reminds you of yourself. Just my personal observation. The only thing is dear brother...You are denying the blood of Christ. I'll tell you why. Here you said;



You're saying what the Catholics are saying... That the blood of Christ isn't sufficient. We need works with it. In this case you are saying that if we haven't completed the sanctification process we go to hell. Like the family you described. See you are adding an addendum to the blood. The man next to Christ on the cross couldn't live up to those standards now could he. No. There has to be only ONE prerequisite.
The blood!

Why don't you get down on your knees and once and for all receive Gods fullness of grace. His unmerited favor. Then you can change that picture of yourself from self loathing to broken and humble.

This isn't just a HB Miki or Godsloft problem. This is what l've been talking about with Jacob. How his past haunted him and he could never really get about his purpose without a personal experience from the Lord. While he was asleep the Lord came and reaffirmed his calling. Godsloft...it wasn't because of Jacobs good deeds but because God choose him. Jacob didn't earn it through obedience.

People die everyday without being sanctified through and through. They aren't in hell but they will answer before the Lord. Some with more rewards than others. Don't be so hard on others and yourself. We're getting there...each in God's timing.

And by the way..Accidents happen. Mistakes happen. The enemy is real and is ever busy attempting to thwart the purposes of God. Perhaps those who should have been praying are at fault and niether the family or the driver. Did you ever think of that? Ease up. It'll be Ok...God forgives more than you.

Wow, Miki

I didn't even see that coming. May the Lord bless you and speak the truth through you

A lot of anger indeed, but there's a prevailing question dispite the anger, and I'll ask it to Godsloft.

Do you love Jesus Christ?

Do you know how to love Jesus Christ?

If one does love Jesus Christ and knows how then one can describe how he or she loves him. Here, I'll model it.

I love Christ as my savior. Why? Because when he has every cause to damn me he instead blesses me.

I love Jesus Christ as my King. Why? Because he is always right and the source of all my wisdom

I love Jesus Christ as my Father. Why? Because he was always there for me

I love Jesus Christ as my brother. Why? Because he lifts me up when I fall.

I love Jesus Christ as my best friend. Why? Because we walk together and he hears my deepest secrets

I love Jesus Christ as my lover. Why? Because when the Holy Spirit pours, it pours! I shake, have hot flashes, cry uncontrollably, fall to my knees, tremble and its awesome!

But I hurt too. I miss him. Living in the physical world is the illusion, the spiritual world is the real world. I only believe that but do not know it, because I cannot prove it. So how do I confirm all these reasons that I love God is really for the real God, if he's there? That is the question the physical world asks me many times over, when the bill is due, when good people die, when the unjust go unpunished, when the rich gets richer, when there are starving children, when there's terrible disease, when I suffer a bodily affliction, and it's a rude question, and it's a question that fills me with doubt and robs me of my comforts in the Lord, and it's a question that rages me because it accuses me of believing in a lie when I think all that is valued by my flesh is the lie, all that is valued by my sense of what is just is a lie. All I am left with then is faith, believing and loving in what is unseen and unheard. So, damn the physical proof in knowing, because Christ did a beautiful thing for me!




Are my words a mirror to you, Godsloft? Are they a mirror to anyone here?

"How many people are in MY scope of influence who God will kill because I want soothing words instead of the truth..." ahhh...


that would only be one person, dear brother................


........me.

All folly and vanity Miki. The gospel of man written by “man the devil” in the name of the Lord.
Who's mad at God for bringing the truth to your face Miki?
That wide overcrowded road that you are on leads to the valley of slaughter Miki.
Come and get on the straight and narrow while it is still green outside. Become someone that the faithless sheep can count on to help them make it through.

Romans 6
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

2 Peter 2
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

James 4
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

There is no such thing as an accident.

Isaiah 45
7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.'

Matthew 5:3-16




3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against ou falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming