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Whiteknight, Vatican City is not in Rome and Jerusalem was a city of 7 hills. If I wanted to know about you, where should I go to get that information? Should I ask Kansasdad or Miki about you? Of course not, I should ask you. So why do you rely on outside sources for information about the church?
sojourner
Anyone who takes a real look at this will have to come to the conclusion that it is not the Vatican. There are too many things that do not fit. To hold on to this theory is nothing more than clinging to a hatred one has become confortable with. Dig deeper , the truth will set you free.
God Bless,
Kansas Dad
psssst ask Miki maybe she knows him.

1likedeb,
I am not ignoring God's word....infact, I am forming my conclusions based soley on scripture; i believe rev 18 to be literal. Right now, Dubai is the ONLY city that meets every requirement on the list...Jerusalem does not...and if we look at scripture, Jerusalem is intact when Jesus comes back and then has a major quake...it cant be destroyed (like babylon will be) and then destroyed again....you accuse me of ingnoring scripture based on opinion. I say, i base my opinion on scripture and scripture only. My opinion was that the vatican was mystery babylon until I studied the scripture on it...am I correct in assuming that you think Jerusalem is the mystery babylon?
No sir what you have done is based your idea on one passage in Revelation. There are loads more scriptures in the Old Testament--- what I am saying is that you have to look at some of these passages. Many of these passages work into prophecies of Revelation. There is far more biblical passages that support Jerusalem over Dubai. I might be wrong but I'm the kind of person that likes to search look all(LOL I'm very detail oriented).
Consider Revelation 17
One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries." Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 13:1-6
First of all I believe that all things in scripture will be found elsewhere too. The same would apply to the woman of wickedness who rides the beast.
We are in fact told about this same woman in the old Testament.
Zecheriah 5
4I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof. 5Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.6And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
Consider how the harlot is dressed. Why is she almost dressed in the colors of Israel?
Revelation 17
The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelation 17:1-6
Notice the the colors of the tabernacle.
Exodus 26
1Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them.2The length of one curtain shall be eight and twenty cubits, and the breadth of one curtain four cubits: and every one of the curtains shall have one measure.
Exodus 26
30And thou shalt rear up the tabernacle according to the fashion thereof which was shewed thee in the mount. 31And thou shalt make a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made: 32And thou shalt hang it upon four pillars of shittim wood overlaid with gold: their hooks shall be of gold, upon the four sockets of silver.
The colors of the courtyard
Exodus 27
16And for the gate of the court shall be an hanging of twenty cubits, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen, wrought with needlework: and their pillars shall be four, and their sockets four.17All the pillars round about the court shall be filleted with silver; their hooks shall be of silver, and their sockets of brass.
The colors of the priests Ephod
Exodus 28
5And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. 6And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work. 7It shall have the two shoulderpieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together. 8And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. 9And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel
Exodus 39
And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the LORD commanded Moses. 2And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.
The colors of Israel are Purple Scarlet and Blue. Notice how Mystery Babylon is missing the color blue?
Why blue?
Numbers 4
10And they shall put it and all the vessels thereof within a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put it upon a bar. 11And upon the golden altar they shall spread a cloth of blue, and cover it with a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put to the staves thereof:And upon the golden altar they shall spread a cloth of blue, and cover it with a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put to the staves thereof: 2And they shall take all the instruments of ministry, wherewith they minister in the sanctuary, and put them in a cloth of blue, and cover them with a covering of badgers' skins, and shall put them on a bar:
37And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 38Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: 39And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them ; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
The blue was symbolic of obediance to the Lord--- a symbol of purity and ministering unto the Lord. We are told. Proverbs 20: 30The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.
This is why Mystery Babylon is missing blue-- she is without purity--a harlot.
Hosea 5:1-4
Hear ye this, O priests; and hearken, ye house of Israel; and give ye ear, O house of the king; for judgment is toward you, because ye have been a snare on Mizpah, and a net spread upon Tabor. And the revolters are profound to make slaughter, though I have been a rebuker of them all. I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled.
Hosea 13:1-3
When Ephraim spake trembling, he exalted himself in Israel; but when he offended in Baal, he died. And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves. Therefore they shall be as the morning cloud and as the early dew that passeth away, as the chaff that is driven with the whirlwind out of the floor, and as the smoke out of the chimney.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate naked,and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Hosea 13:4-9
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought. According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. Therefore I will be unto them as a
LION : as a
LEOPARD by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a
BEAR that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion:
the wild BEAST shall tear them.
Revelation 13
1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a
LEOPARD , and his feet were as the feet of a
BEAR , and his mouth as the mouth of a
LION : and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
These are just some scriptures. Its late I have to sleep.