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The Holy Spirit is ready to come into the life of every believer, in His
fullness, that He might "enable" (empower) us to walk in the statues of God
and keep His judgements. He is longing to fill us with the water of life
that we might become a fountain of His mighty strength, power and love. As
we drink of this "fullness", we shall not be able to contain the blessing
that He bestows upon us, and out of our innermost being shall flow
"continual torrents" of living water that shall then flow forth upon all
those who cross our path - enabling them to experience the life and light of
God through us.

If we will allow the Holy Spirit to consume us He will become to us the sum
and substance of a all good things. Wisdom, peace, happiness joy, rest,
strength, Protector, Guide and Provider. He will be our freedom from fear -
for where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty, and the distributor of
all the gifts and blessings that the Heavenly Father can bestow upon a
trusting heart. The Holy Spirit is given in His fullest measure to those who
"maintain" a deep earnestness and singleness of purpose in carrying out the
will of God. One can never truly experience the deeper things of God without
first surrendering all those things in their life that serve only to draw
them "downward" into "fellowship" with the world!

May God empower each of us to be diligent, single-minded and
self-sacrificial in order that we might concentrate on the one thing that
means all: to love the Lord our God with all of our being - spirit, soul and
body, for in doing so we shall find that the Father is waiting to reward the
true and pure heart with Himself.

One must be willing and obedient to resist Satan in every thing and at every
moment in their life if they desire to be a leader (delegated authority) and
servant of God's people. For if one is not willing and obedient to resist
Satan at all times in all things then it means that at some point, and in
some way, they will yield to his wiles because of their complacency (desire
to satisfy themselves rather than to please God). God will put those people
who lay down their lives (lay down their desires to please themselves first
and foremost) in trust of His Gospel for they can be entrusted not to
compromise when the pressure exerted by Satan does come. The one
determined - and empowered by the Holy Spirit - to stand fast in the Lord at
all times will bring down the strongholds they encounter - the ones who
"allow" themselves to succumb to Satan's pressure tactics will "surely"
compromise the Word of God.

The most immediate aim and goal in the church is to reach the point where we
do not have to spend (because of necessity) all of our time interceding for
the people in the church. But to bring the church up to the revelation where
they can (are enabled to) have peace and rest from all their enemies
(manifestations of the law of sin and death) by the exercising of their own
faith in the Word of God. This will free those who are called by God as
delegated authorities to the duty of waiting upon God (ministering to Him).
In this way they shall receive the necessary revelation knowledge to "feed"
their sheep through the continual administration of God's life and light. (2
Chronicles 23:25b-26)

"There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does
evil".... The "tribulation" and "distress" which I spoke of in this passage
(Romans 2:9) is a direct result of My children's refusal to sow to the
Spirit rather than to their old nature; and it shall encompass those of My
children who remain in rebellion to such a degree that all shall see that My
peace and rest are far from them. For to the degree that they have "allowed"
themselves to remain in rebellion and have pushed My Word aside, it is to
that degree that they shall suffer the same torment that affects those in
the "world"....

...."I am dealing strongly at this time with those who are called to a
position of delegated authority, for those who would lead My army must walk
with both of their feet planted firmly in the Kingdom of Heaven, receiving
all their instructions from the Throne, and they must not in any way be
influenced by what they perceive with their five physical senses, but rather
only that which is revealed to their heart by My Spirit"....

"Children love the discipline and reproof which proceeds forth from My
Spirit. As parents walk in, and depend upon, the anointing that abides
within them, their children shall grow in wisdom and in truth and they shall
have no fear of anything. For indeed it is a "critical spirit" which so
often hardens the hearts of little children, and all that is critical issues
forth from a heart that is "filled" with selfishness. Therefore, as parents
abide in My Word and My Word abides in them, My love which is shed abroad in
their hearts, shall be poured forth upon their children. As it is with all
of My children, it is of key importance that no "unwholesome" word proceed
forth from the mouths of parents, but only such a word as is good for the
edification of the child, that the family might be built up in love.

Most certainly there is a "direct correlation" between My Church and the
family - the principles which cause them both to flourish in the earth are
identical. It is certain that all those things which are truly successful
in this earth, have their source in My wisdom; but to those who would lean
upon their own understanding and upon the darkened wisdom of the world even
what seems to be temporarily successful shall surely end in "absolute
failure". For this is the time of My great separation, a separation and
judgement which shall cause "all" to either stand with Me or against Me in
all things"....
"Those who live in fear have a preoccupation with death; those who live
in love have a preoccupation with life"....

...."My Word does not say "judge" your neighbour! It is written, "Who are
you to judge the servant of another?" And "Do not judge lest you be judged!"
It is time for each one of My children to fix their eyes upon Me. Did I not
say "Love your neighbour as yourself?" It is indeed time for all of My
children to place My Word first in their lives; for many have allowed
themselves to be entrapped for too long and should they continue on the
"perilous course" they have set for themselves, they shall surely reap the
death and havoc which they have sown to! For if My children, through the
evil intent of their heart, continue to judge others, they shall sow the
seeds of strife and discord which I despise, therefore My judgments shall
come swiftly upon those who harden their hearts against Me and seek their
own glory.

My children must let no unwholesome word proceed form their mouths, but only
such a word as is good for the building up of My Church in love, for the
time is short and the hour is late. Let all those who love life and desire
to see good days, refrain their tongue from evil and their lips from
speaking deceit. For it is certain that the mouths of those who speak lies
shall be stopped and all unrighteousness shut its mouth in the presence of
My glory!"

"In many cases those whom I have called to the five-fold ministry have a
very "shallow view" or no view at all of My eternal plans and purposes.
Therefore, it is not surprising to see them reject My apostles and prophets,
for if they do not understand the thoughts and intentions of My heart or My
will for the very Church which they themselves are called to build, how will
they even be able to recognize those who I send to them for their
edification?

Truly I say to you, the hour has come in which I have chosen to reveal My
holy apostles and prophets to My people, in the fullness of their ministry;
and I shall do it in ways which will astound even the hardest hearts. And
great signs and wonders shall follow My holy ones and all shall see and
understand that it is My hand that is upon them; for death shall surely flee
before them as My Spirit is poured forth through them. Those "means" which
Satan has used to hinder the advent of My sent ones shall be both exposed
and consumed by the fire of My Spirit and all those who truly love Me shall
no longer bow their knee to the lies of Satan and they shall see what it
truly means to serve Me, and to abide in the absolute life which I have
provided for them"....


John 5:30; Psalm 101:3-5; Proverbs 22:24; John 15:7;

"I am not slow about My promises as some count slowness, but because it
is My will and My desire that not one soul should perish, I shall continue
to exercise My faith and My love through My children until such a time as
"all" things are conformed to My will. From this, one can clearly see that
those who hold fast to the world's concept of "time" in the receiving of My
blessing still retain selfishness as their root motivation and thus, the
very thing they desire to receive from Me must be "withheld" until such a
time as they come into "perfect accordance" with the thoughts and intentions
of My heart"

"Not only do I require My children not to be moved by what they "feel",
but they are not to be moved by what others feel. They are only to be moved
by the revealed knowledge of My Word and the unction of My Spirit in "all"
things"

...."The effects of the words spoken by My bondservants and handmaidens in
this last hour shall come to pass at a greatly accelerated rate. For as My
faithful ones saturate their hearts with My Word, overcoming faith shall
rise up in their hearts and they shall fully believe that the words which
they speak shall come to pass; for they will have no dependence on physical
circumstances or be influenced in any way by those things which they
perceive with their five physical senses"

"My grace is summed up in one word: Jesus! For My grace is summed up in
all that has been provided through Jesus Christ and He is the exact
representation of My nature and He is indeed the One who fills all in all.
Many, in their attempt to separate My grace from My Word, have slipped
deeply into sin and darkness, vainly believing that their continued sin and
rebellion are somehow overlooked because I am such a "loving" God; but truly
I say to you, in their desire to remain in their sin and fulfil their own
selfish desires, they have separated themselves from the only provision I
have made for them to be without sin, and blameless in My sight. And if they
"refuse" to repent of the evil which is in their heart, they shall come
under the judgement which I have already proclaimed for the one that they
truly serve!

They are My children and I love them dearly, but should they "choose" the
broad path of destruction rather than the narrow path of perfect obedience,
they can be of no use to Me in the establishing of My Kingdom in the earth,
for those who are not building My Church, are being used by Satan in some
way to tear it down! Therefore, all of My children who stubbornly refuse to
walk in love and obedience must be removed from the battle and this is
precisely why My judgement has fallen heavily on those who are called to
lead My sheep.

As the uncompromised truth is preached to the vast multitudes of My children
throughout the earth many shall turn from their rebellion and serve Me in
the way I desire to be served. Only those who attempt to continue on in
their pride and arrogance, by their own choice, shall be removed from their
place of authority and suffer at the bands of Satan. Have I ever forsaken
one of My children? No I have not! But men, in their hearts, have forsaken
Me and yet still believe that, in some way, I will justify them in their sin
and rebellion - because of their mental ascent to My mercy, love and grace.

The hour has come wherein the thoughts and intentions of My children shall
be exposed for all to see and all sin and rebellion shall be removed from
the hearts and minds of all those who truly love Me
...."It is a very high calling which has been placed upon those whom I have
called to the five-fold ministry in this last hour. For I have called and
chosen them to lead My people into the fullness of their inheritance and
into the sinless perfection that I desire in My Church. Indeed, it shall
take a mighty turn around, for through the past twenty centuries, the
multitudes have strayed farther and farther away from Me. There have only
been a "handful" who have remained faithful and obedient to Me. These
"overcomers" passed down, from each succeeding generation, the knowledge
which was revealed to them by the Holy Spirit. And even though at times it
appeared as though the reality of the Gospel had become a small and
flickering flame, all but extinguished by the winds of worldly doctrine,
nevertheless I have always had a "remnant" in the earth who desired nothing
else but to do "all" of My will and now we have reached the end of the age
and truly I say to you "all" that is not of Me shall be torn down and
consumed by the fire of My Spirit. Over nineteen hundred years of scheming
by the Evil One shall be destroyed in a moment's time; for this is the hour
which I have chosen to reveal My sons and daughters in the earth.
There are many who would call the lives they live, the Christian life; but
truly I say to you the lives they live no more resemble Me than darkness
represents the day. Everyone who would call themselves Mine will have to
repent of any carnality which remains within them. This is not a game! The
reality of the new life which I have given them in Christ is a very serious
thing, for not only were all those who would call on the Name of Jesus
delivered from the sin and darkness and death of this "lower" world, but
they were transferred into the Kingdom of My dear Son and equipped to fight
the battle of the ages.
I did not call My children out of this world only for them to return and
align themselves with Satan. My wrath burns against those who have hardened
their hearts and have refused to break their allegiance with the Evil One.
There are those who think they should not be held responsible, because they
have been deceived by Satan, but truly, truly I say to you, if they had
"any" desire in their heart to obey Me, they would have "known" the futility
of the path that they were on. I have said before that My mercy endures
forever while there is still a seed of repentance in the heart; but as I
look out upon the hearts of many of My children I have found that "seed" to
be lacking and it is certain that as the judgements which I have already
proclaimed upon this world and its ruler are carried out, they shall be
swept along with all those who have made selfishness and greed their "god".
Indeed it is time to put an end to the "comfort that kills" amongst My
people!"....

Psalm 143:8-9; Psalm 103:3; Proverbs 24:3-4;

"Some events are about to take place which will cause all those who live
an "imitation" Christian life to see clearly, beyond a shadow of doubt,
their need for a personal and intimate relationship with Me. And because of
these events which shall take place they will be forced to scramble
hurriedly into the presence of those who walk with Me, or, in rejecting Me,
by an act of their own will, they shall be attacked openly by the Evil
One!"

"There should never be any doubt in the hearts of My children as to how
they shall accomplish My will, but only the strong desire to "know" what My
will is. For in having My will revealed to their heart, I shall surely
empower them in all the things that they set their hand to.

As My children let go of the fear of what others think they shall clearly
see that their most important task is to continually lay down their lives in
order that they might be a pure and open vessel of My life and power"....
...."The influence of the Evil One shall be "completely removed" from My
Church as the power of My anointing flows "unhindered" through the spirits
of those who have cleansed themselves from "all" defilement of flesh and
spirit.

Indeed, the faith of those who are clean before Me shall rise up and
devastate the works of Satan, and My light shall abide within them, and in
them there shall be no cause for error or for stumbling. For behold in Zion
I have laid a stone, a tested stone, a costly cornerstone for the
foundation, firmly placed, and he who believes in it shall not be disturbed;
and there shall be no fear in the hearts of those who have aligned
themselves with Me spirit, soul, and body; and, if no fear, then it shall be
only "absolute" faith which pours forth upon the words which they speak out
of the abundance of their holy hearts. For in this day and in this hour I
shall do a work of great magnitude in My Church for all the world to see and
no more shall the scoffers scoff or the mockers mock; for they shall see
clearly the revelation of My sons and daughters in the earth.
Did not those who were filled with My Spirit at Pentecost, turn the world
upside down? Indeed, My Spirit shall be poured forth in such a manner as to
uproot "all" the walls and foundations which have harboured the lies of the
Evil One and led My people astray; and all those who truly love Me shall
marvel at all these things and they shall "wonder" how they could ever have
been held captive by darkness for so long; and they shall turn, and through
the anointing which abides within them, they shall be vessels of the
greatest attack and assault upon the strongholds of the Evil One that the
earth has ever seen. Thus shall My ministry be fulfilled, as My spotless and
unblemished Church rises to meet Me in the Heavens"....

...."Egotistical parents produce egotistical children; holy parents produce
holy children and faithful parents produce fearless children!"

Luke 24:49; Romans 2:4; Ephesians 4:26-27; Matthew 6:31-34;
Proverbs 27:2; Philippians 4:6-8; Proverbs 28:14;

"Any element of the heart which speaks or accepts any defeat or failure,
that is, anything less than My perfect desire and will, is a product of a
"sin-consciousness". As My children gain a deeper revelation of the power of
the Blood of Jesus, they shall see clearly that the provision has already
been made for them to walk in "a perfect state of heart" continually before
Me, and out of that perfect state of heart shall come the words which will
put into motion and cause to come to pass, at all times, those things which
are in perfect accordance with the thoughts and intentions of My heart.

In this last hour "all" traces of the "sin-consciousness" shall be removed
from the hearts of those who truly love Me. No more shall the false doctrine
of "imperfection" in those who would serve Me, stand before the consuming
fire of My Spirit. For if one would deny the ability, which I have given
them, to walk in perfect obedience before Me, they deny My ability to carry
out My Word; for I have said, "You shall be holy as I am Holy" and indeed I
am watching over My Word to perform it. Is it not also written, "Be perfect
as your Heavenly Father is perfect?" Indeed, through diligence, faith, love
and obedience, those who truly seek My face shall gain the revelation which
they need to accomplish "all" that they were created for. Those who would
justify their "imperfection" and their incapability of walking for more than
a short time without sinning, are fools and they "openly betray" their
heart-desire to walk in rebellion, in order that they might fulfil the lusts
of their own desire!

Truly I say to you it is only the forsaking of all things apart form Me,
which will allow My children to walk perfectly before me. Is it not written
that I judge not as man judges, but that I judge the thoughts and intentions
of the heart? Truly I say to you, it is as My children begin to see with My
eyes, that they shall understand My way; for if they continue to view all
things through their own darkened understanding, they shall surely be caught
in a snare; and confusion and darkness shall encompass them on every side,
for those who refuse to abide in love, shall indeed dwell in darkness, and
fear shall become their master!"

"It is only selfishness which could cause one to move farther away from
Me, rather than closer to Me. For I draw all things which are in accordance
with Me to Myself, but "repel" all that proceeds from the mind of Satan."

The precious Blood of Jesus continues to cleanse all those of My
children who truly desire to stay in the protection of My Covenant. Should
one of My children begin to stray out from under the covering which I have
provided through lack of diligence towards My Word, My Spirit shall send
forth "warning signals" in order to catch their attention and guide them
back into the security and protection which already belongs to them; but if
one of My children "chooses" to harden their heart against Me because of the
evil desire within them, they shall, in looking for a license for their sin,
twist My Word concerning the Blood and they shall attempt to believe that
they are somehow still protected by the Blood of Jesus while they revel in
their wanton sin. While I have provided a place of absolute safety and protection for each one of My children, there is also a "boundary" beyond which the covering I have
provided does not reach, and truly I say to you that boundary is defined by
that which is of My Kingdom and that which is of the "world". A sin of ignorance "continued" becomes a sin of rebellion against Me and is
not covered by the Blood. A sin of ignorance discontinued becomes obedience
to My will and is always under the covering of the Blood. For is not My
covenant based on the faithfulness and obedience of both parties?

Truly I say to you, each one of My children must hearken diligently to the
voice of My Spirit in this last hour in order that they might cast aside any
weight of sin that they have retained. They must draw near to My Word, which
will expose and separate them from all that is not of Me, and they must
minister unto Me by spending time in My presence above all; for time spent
in My presence shall empower and propel them to the exalted place I have for
them before all Heaven and earth.

Rebellion and idolatry are the only two things which are able to remove My
precious children out from under My protecting hand, for in them (rebellion
and idolatry) are included every dimension of evil. What foolishness it is
for anyone to think that I would remove the covering that was bought and
paid for by My own Blood! Indeed, it is those of My children who find
themselves in wilful rebellion and idolatry, who shall reap the judgement
which is reserved for all those who align themselves with Satan; for they
have, by an act of their own free will, misplaced their faith and


allegiance; and in their insolence, they have trampled underfoot My beloved
Son, and by their actions they have regarded as unclean the Blood of the
Covenant - by which they have been set apart unto Me, free from condemnation
and guilt. Therefore, if they choose to continue in their wilful sin and
rebellion, after having "received" the revealed knowledge of My truth, there
no longer remains a sacrifice for their sins. For if My people choose to
place their faith in anything outside of My Word after having that Word
revealed to their hearts, it is they themselves who have chosen to be judged
with the unrighteous ones!"

"The heart-attitude of every one of My children should say constantly,
as they diligently seek My Word, "I want to hear it only from the Holy
Spirit". For until that attitude is found in their heart and until they have
revelation of My desire for their "perfect" obedience, they will easily be
led into an area of presumptuous sin. For it is only a deep abiding in My
Word which can separate continually, the soul and the spirit of a man,
revealing to them at all times those things which proceed forth from the
"flesh" and those which are of My Spirit"

"Arrogance and selfishness in parents evokes a spirit of rebellion and
destruction within their children; love and unselfishness in parents evokes
a spirit of consecration and obedience within their children.
"
"Final judgment is a judgment of God from which there is no return or
repentance."

"To the degree that My children set their "own" joy before them, in
other words, those things which would satisfy their own desires apart from
Me, it is to that degree that they shall continue to strive in their own
power to attain the goal which I have set for them. It is only as My
children lay down their lives and "allow" Me to do "all things", that I am
enabled to "flood" their hearts with the revelation and the vision and the
joy which will allow them to endure the "cross" and fulfil every facet of My
will for their lives"
Caneman
The cost is way too high, you or I could never have enough to pay the price that is required! Our only hope is to rely on the mercy and grace of our precious and awesome Lord, Jesus Christ.... I realize this seems like I am disrespecting your comments with a trite churchy phrase, but relying on His grace for everything is a profound truth, that if not understood and applied, will be a source of frustration to every aspect of your walk with Jesus. So I am offering my comment as an encouragement only, as one who has tried to pay that price with extravagent devotion and it ultimately was not enough, only us receiving the love of His grace will satisfy Him!

Blessings,

Caneman
fervent
QUOTE(Caneman @ Jan 24 2007, 09:32 AM) [snapback]99768[/snapback]

The cost is way too high, you or I could never have enough to pay the price that is required! Our only hope is to rely on the mercy and grace of our precious and awesome Lord, Jesus Christ.... I realize this seems like I am disrespecting your comments with a trite churchy phrase, but relying on His grace for everything is a profound truth, that if not understood and applied, will be a source of frustration to every aspect of your walk with Jesus. So I am offering my comment as an encouragement only, as one who has tried to pay that price with extravagent devotion and it ultimately was not enough, only us receiving the love of His grace will satisfy Him!Blessings,Caneman

The cost of which you speak is too high...but there is a cost we bear in obedience to His call. That cost is the price of self denial and of loving the unloveable. Being at risk in one's discipleship means being in a place of restraint, being yoked to the One who abides within and who rules from that inner sanctum where the spirit of man burns as the candle of the Lord. Light comes from that original darkness of soul where man was first entrusted with the mighty things of God.
signet
Genesis 1:4,5

"And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

God called the light Day, and the darkness He called night. So the evening and the morning, were the first day."


morning is broken...
George
QUOTE(fervent @ Jan 17 2007, 09:49 PM) [snapback]99311[/snapback]

The Holy Spirit is ready to come into the life of every believer, in His
fullness, that He might "enable" (empower) us to walk in the statues of God
and keep His judgements. He is longing to fill us with the water of life
that we might become a fountain of His mighty strength, power and love. As
we drink of this "fullness", we shall not be able to contain the blessing
that He bestows upon us, and out of our innermost being shall flow
"continual torrents" of living water that shall then flow forth upon all
those who cross our path - enabling them to experience the life and light of
God through us.

If we will allow the Holy Spirit to consume us He will become to us the sum
and substance of a all good things.


The Holy Spirit of God created everyone who is saved and everyone who is not. The Holy Spirit of God knows who He has chosen for honor and who has been chosen for dishonor. If you ask God for His Holy Spirit believing. He will give you what you ask. If you ask in passing, not believing, you will pass on to destruction.
You don't have the knowledge or power to allow the Holy Spirit of God to do anything. God does not enter mans vain imagination.
God has prepared a way through His own sacrifice. That by following Christ's example and teachings and seeking His face, that any man or woman "who will" can come back to Him.
Miki

Larry l would say this is pretty spelled out in black and white.
Combine this with what was said under "my daughters vision and you've got an even fuller package.

QUOTE
"There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does
evil".... The "tribulation" and "distress" which I spoke of in this passage
(Romans 2:9) is a direct result of My children's refusal to sow to the
Spirit rather than to their old nature; and it shall encompass those of My
children who remain in rebellion to such a degree that all shall see that My
peace and rest are far from them. For to the degree that they have "allowed"
themselves to remain in rebellion and have pushed My Word aside, it is to
that degree that they shall suffer the same torment that affects those in
the "world"....

...."I am dealing strongly at this time with those who are called to a
position of delegated authority, for those who would lead My army must walk
with both of their feet planted firmly in the Kingdom of Heaven, receiving
all their instructions from the Throne, and they must not in any way be
influenced by what they perceive with their five physical senses, but rather
only that which is revealed to their heart by My Spirit"....


I'm going to step out on a limb here and tell something that happened to me.
I will tell only the facts and let you draw your own conclusions....
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A couple of weeks ago l was walking through the grocery store shopping. The isles where lined with every product imaginable. I began to sink into depression as thought of the African babies l so badly want to hold. I thought about eating and the curse it's become for me. I thought about Daniel and l thought about Rome. I thought about Daniel because he rejected the delicacy's of the world and l thought about Rome because that's what we've become. Our stores that our eyes look upon and our TVs that our eyes look upon. I was so convicted l could barely push the cart. Something came up in my Spirit as l grieved who l was and where l was. "I want to pluck out my eye...I said it over and over to myself. I want to pluck out my eye. If l could have run away to Africa at that moment l would have. Leaving every luxury behind.
I was depressed all night and couldn't get the thought out of mind. I want to pluck out my eye.

The next day as l logged on to this forum l saw Miche's prayer request about Jeep..an old forum member who just lost his eye to cancer and is not looking at well into the future.
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If we are going to say yes we have to say yes all the way. We can't enjoy Rome during the day and then throw up our hands and pretend they're clean... This is a hard pill to swallow but God has never asked us to take more than one bite at a time. Lets eat his word and not the things that Rome offers us to cause us to remain in bondage to the lust of our flesh.

QUOTE
"In many cases those whom I have called to the five-fold ministry have a
very "shallow view" or no view at all of My eternal plans and purposes.
Therefore, it is not surprising to see them reject My apostles and prophets,
for if they do not understand the thoughts and intentions of My heart or My
will for the very Church which they themselves are called to build, how will
they even be able to recognize those who I send to them for their
edification?


I know the above goes on from here with wisdom and knowledge but l will add an addendum.

God has called some of you close to him and revealed himself.
You've spoken and been shut out or shut up. Consider yourself and your motives.

Maybe your church is wrong but perhaps so are you and it's why no fruit was produced.

Are you in Gods timing? Are you moving in love and patience? Have you shook the rocks out of your shoes so you can go forward not hindered by the stumbling blocks of the past.

God wants to bring the prophetic blessing to the Church through you. Did you run away and shake the dust off your shoes because you didn't first get rid of the rocks inside them?

Don't always blame the dead church you're in or were in.... but test yourself.
God called you where you are.

I know this is controversial and some cases God will call us out but l don't believe that is true in MOST cases. Look at the two old women from the Hebrides...
leia
Miki-

Well said. Funny thing you should mention so trivial a thing (?) as food to make something resound in the heart, but so has God lately in some odd ways around me and in church....so I will respond with my part and perhaps a small peice of this puzzle will not be lost by my ommission.

Good things surround me, I will not make little of what God has given to me to oversee for His kingdom. But there is a difference in taking it in and "taking it in". I believe you can see and count and measure what is without being taken in by it. It does not offend by being, but can become offensive without changing its own nature if we make it something god did not intend it to be used for.

Distribution in the world of the worlds storeages is outrageous. Our shelves are full and, I can assure you from my husband's personal experiences there, the government in Africa fully intends their shelves NOT to be full ON PURPOSE. Power retained by those in power already is the primary cause. Not from the producers of the food, not from the distributors themselves but by the governments who have so much to gain if their people do not have the strength or time to pursue other passtimes then searching for necessities.

That being said, though, Rome can not be taken into the heart even though the things of Rome can be very useful in furthing the Father's Kingdom. Could the gospel have spread but for the road system that rivaled no other for so many years and is copied even now in our own? Doubtful.

leia
fervent
The addage "When in Rome, do as the Romans do comes to mind in the context of the last couple of posts. But I think we need to delineate somewhat. I do not think we are supposed to trample any blessing we have received in a birthright kind of inheritance by virtue of having been born into a land of promise and of prosperity...but I do think and feel we are supposed to align ourselves to the will of the Father in this regard... Psa 35:27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

This coupled with the Godly virue of giving, even as He gives...Pro 11:24 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and [there is] that withholdeth more than is meet, but [it tendeth] to poverty. Pro 11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

We are in a place where we can do this. What Leia said about Africa is so like the world...keep them down and poverty stricken so the rulers who preside can continue to preside...exactly the same reason the Pharisees were against Jesus...because His ( Christ's) way would mean they had to decrease.



Miki
Larry remember when you said you even learn from the words you get?
Well this is a good one. Don't hedge on it.

What l received in the grocery store was the truth of the Holy Spirit...not the emotional experience of a troubled women. This is about more than food...what the Lord was saying. It was serious and l'm heeding it. I was actually in the dog food isle when he started to lay his hand on me. He pulled back the curtain to our true state. Our blessing has become our curse. Got quail? My prosperity is hearing the Lords rebuke. If you have to, it's better to pluck out your eye...He means it.

However...

Good insight on this...and so true!

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What Leia said about Africa is so like the world...keep them down and poverty stricken so the rulers who preside can continue to preside...exactly the same reason the Pharisees were against Jesus...because His ( Christ's) way would mean they had to decrease.


But John the B did a good job didn't he.
fervent
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Miki,

If we are going to say yes we have to say yes all the way. We can't enjoy Rome during the day and then throw up our hands and pretend they're clean... This is a hard pill to swallow but God has never asked us to take more than one bite at a time. Lets eat his word and not the things that Rome offers us to cause us to remain in bondage to the lust of our flesh.


I agree, but then we face the situation of a physical standing in Rome where all of the candystores are in front of us...how do we then deny those candies? Do we live in the dark, eat in no restaurant, watch no movie, drive no car, etc etc...?

Is it then a blessing or curse to be living in oppulence?

1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

I think it starts here...But then what is love?

I think we have all cried watching the destitution and desescration of men, women and children around the globe.

I wept as I watched another "filler" on the local news the other night of the horriffic lives being led on the drug infested streets of East Hastings in Vancouver...now called the drug capitol of the world already...just one place and we do not have to go to Africa to encounter it, or aids...

Are we birthed here to make a difference or to strive to go way over where Cornelius is when he is already there? This thing just spools up like a tornado of guilt or perhaps bloodguiltiness.... I thought of these words as I wrote... Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.

I think it comes down to the individual calling. No one person has to bear the weight that God bears for His world...impossible beyond any reasonable acceptance...I think there are kings who need to be led also.
Miki
You're arguing with your own word. blush.gif

I would have sat in your seat if God hadn't of done that with me the other day.
AGAPEaNg
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[quote]Are we birthed here to make a difference or to strive to go way over where Cornelius is when he is already there? This thing just spools up like a tornado of guilt or perhaps bloodguiltiness.... I thought of these words as I wrote... Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.

I think it comes down to the individual calling. No one person has to bear the weight that God bears for His world...impossible beyond any reasonable acceptance...I think there are kings who need to be led also.
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I have wondered about this issue many a time, if I was *doing enough* to serve Christ. From what I have learned this past month, that is not the right way to think. Of course the entire world is riddled with sin and death, but as an individual we cannot save the whole world and nor should we, that would make us God. You said it best in that last paragraph, God has a PLAN for each individual who has Christ to touch those *He is given!* We should know that *doing* is never enough, our efforts will always be spoiled. But if God wants us to make a difference, *HE will place that opportunity within our grasp!!* Although we may not fly over to Africa to save the children, or we may in the future who knows, we may touch a life that WILL do that. So our efforts are not in vain, even if they seem to be petty.
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