Shekel writes:
Bible Codes & Numbers
Seven Warnings
Said out of love for God, and concern for others:
Genuine bible codes are wonderful but...
Beware lest ever learning you never come to the Truth. Jesus is the Truth!
Beware lest you be driven to your own hurt. "It is not good to eat too much honey; and to search into weighty matters is itself a weight," (Prov. 25:27).
Beware of using bible codes as one would a horoscope.
Beware of dogmatism when interpreting the past by the bible codes or numbers. History is really His-story!
Beware of making too much of the bible numbers or codes. "Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up," (1Cor. 8:1).
Beware of trying to use the numbers or codes to PROVE some doctrinal position. The plain reading of the bible, though ever increasing in depth, never contradicts itself, and that which is obscure is debatable.
Beware of looking into your own life using bible numbers or codes. Why destroy yourself!
Full Version: The Two Witnesses
Father,
I'm humbled and saddened by this situation. I pray that people will love, forgive and forget...like you do. We welcome your word from anybody that's willing to be as honest as possible on a forum. I pray peace to the posters here who can't share their heart. Thank you for Helen father and bring great friends into her life. Thank you for Simple for sharing his hard worked for knowledge. Thank you for Miche as she runs the forum. Thank you for the faithfulness of Dennis and for the tenacity of Wernotalone.
'Marcus beyond' who always has an encouraging word. For Karen who's watching and Firewall who always hits the nail head on. Even for JJ that keeps us on our toes.
Father thank you for Shekel and all the hard work he does. Direct him in his new ventures and protect his family. Bless him and keep him we pray.
Many more who post here have given me great pleasure. I thank you for them Lord and l pray you bless and protect this ministry In Jesus name. Comfort Michelle and keep her in your care and bring her back to us. Forgive us all for our trespasses.
In Jesus name.
AMEN
I'm humbled and saddened by this situation. I pray that people will love, forgive and forget...like you do. We welcome your word from anybody that's willing to be as honest as possible on a forum. I pray peace to the posters here who can't share their heart. Thank you for Helen father and bring great friends into her life. Thank you for Simple for sharing his hard worked for knowledge. Thank you for Miche as she runs the forum. Thank you for the faithfulness of Dennis and for the tenacity of Wernotalone.
'Marcus beyond' who always has an encouraging word. For Karen who's watching and Firewall who always hits the nail head on. Even for JJ that keeps us on our toes.
Father thank you for Shekel and all the hard work he does. Direct him in his new ventures and protect his family. Bless him and keep him we pray.
Many more who post here have given me great pleasure. I thank you for them Lord and l pray you bless and protect this ministry In Jesus name. Comfort Michelle and keep her in your care and bring her back to us. Forgive us all for our trespasses.
In Jesus name.
AMEN
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Michelle, does this belong to you?
http://www.geocities.com/starrgerl/inkhorn.htm
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This is my writing to. I didn't know that anyone had published it. But praise the LORD. Now no one can say they didn't know.
By faith in Him alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
The little book
from the writers ink horn
the final warning
Re 10:2
He had a little book open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,
Re 10:8
Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, "Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth."
Re 10:9
So I went to the angel and said to him, "Give me the little book." And he said to me, "Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth."
Re 10:10
Then I took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter.
Eze 3:3
And He said to me, "Son of man, feed your belly, and fill your stomach with this scroll that I give you." So I ate, and it was in my mouth like honey in sweetness.
Ezekiel 2:6-10
6 "And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them nor be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns are with you and you dwell among scorpions; do not be afraid of their words or dismayed by their looks, though they are a rebellious house.
7 You shall speak My words to them, whether they hear or whether they refuse, for they are rebellious.
8 But you, son of man, hear what I say to you. Do not be rebellious like that rebellious house; open your mouth and eat what I give you."
9 Now when I looked, there was a hand stretched out to me; and behold, a scroll of a book was in it.
10 Then He spread it before me; and there was writing on the inside and on the outside, and written on it were lamentations and mourning and woe.
Ezekiel 9
One man among them was clothed with linen and had a writer's inkhorn at his side. They went in and stood beside the bronze altar.
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the temple. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer's inkhorn at his side;
4 and the Lord said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it."
By faith in Him alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
from the writers ink horn
the final warning
Re 10:2
He had a little book open in his hand. And he set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land,
Re 10:8
Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, "Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth."
Re 10:9
So I went to the angel and said to him, "Give me the little book." And he said to me, "Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth."
Re 10:10
Then I took the little book out of the angel's hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter.
Eze 3:3
And He said to me, "Son of man, feed your belly, and fill your stomach with this scroll that I give you." So I ate, and it was in my mouth like honey in sweetness.
Ezekiel 2:6-10
6 "And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them nor be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns are with you and you dwell among scorpions; do not be afraid of their words or dismayed by their looks, though they are a rebellious house.
7 You shall speak My words to them, whether they hear or whether they refuse, for they are rebellious.
8 But you, son of man, hear what I say to you. Do not be rebellious like that rebellious house; open your mouth and eat what I give you."
9 Now when I looked, there was a hand stretched out to me; and behold, a scroll of a book was in it.
10 Then He spread it before me; and there was writing on the inside and on the outside, and written on it were lamentations and mourning and woe.
Ezekiel 9
One man among them was clothed with linen and had a writer's inkhorn at his side. They went in and stood beside the bronze altar.
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the temple. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer's inkhorn at his side;
4 and the Lord said to him, "Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it."
By faith in Him alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
I pray a sword and mantle is under the cloak and dagger.
Welcome
Welcome
The posts as guests who are members hiding. remind me of those who went in and around the crowd after CHRIST had been taken yelling out while hiding "Crusify Him Crusify HIM".
Mt 11:19 - Show Context
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Luke 7:
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
Mt 11:19 - Show Context
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Luke 7:
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
You just don't get it do you.
You're speaking to yourself and condeming yourself.
You're speaking to yourself and condeming yourself.
I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
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The posts as guests who are members hiding. remind me of those who went in and around the crowd after CHRIST had been taken yelling out while hiding "Crusify Him Crusify HIM".
Looks that way.
QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 29 2005, 07:05 AM)
I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
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You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
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Humble is not flattery. Honesty is not joining into the cofussion. Love is not allowing your brothers and sisters to be pushed by the crowds of popularity over the cliff into the fire. If I am a liar then nothing will happen and you will all be carried off on a puffy white cloud into heaven. If the LORD has sent me then you are in contempt and the end is near. I am visiting my sons family right now they came out into the desert to find me. I cant stay long. I will have to go back out and wait on the LORDS instructions. So my advise is to get into your prayer closets just you and the LORD alone and ask HIM for HIS SPIRIT.
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
Again, nobody is denying Gods word.
There are actually a few others that know the truth.
All we wanted to know is your testimony.
Confusion? Yes...there is some.
But you were instructing us like we were all going to hell until you showed up.
There are actually a few others that know the truth.
All we wanted to know is your testimony.
Confusion? Yes...there is some.
But you were instructing us like we were all going to hell until you showed up.
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Again, nobody is denying Gods word.
There are actually a few others that know the truth.
All we wanted to know is your testimony.
Confusion? Yes...there is some.
But you were instructing us like we were all going to hell until you showed up.
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There are actually a few others that know the truth.
All we wanted to know is your testimony.
Confusion? Yes...there is some.
But you were instructing us like we were all going to hell until you showed up.
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With aprox. two and a half billion people coming threw the refiners furnace into the kingdom I know that there are more than a few that know the truth. Judge for your self I have nothing to sell you, and no need for money, I have no place for you to go except into your prayer closet , not with me, with the LORD. Spirit and truth, talking and walking with the LORD. You will most certainly see what I have writen to you come to pass. Read it carefully and see if there is any profit in it for me. The prophets of old were rejected and killed by the people HE sent them to. Christ was rejected and killed by the people HE came to. I will also be killed by those HE has sent me to. Think about it. For all I know the LORD might be waking you up to walk on the other river bank. But you won't see me until the LORD says go. I was speaking boldly because of what the LORD has given, that has moved from belief into knowing. And as the LORD said blessed are those who are not offended in me.
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
Your personal testimony? You know...Like Paul gave.
How did you come to the Lord? That's not rejecting and killing you.
What led you to the conclusion you have the Spirit of Elijah?
It's all anyone ever wanted in the first place.
We don't want your name, address or money.
Most of the people that come to this forum have already heard what you're saying...You aren't the first to say it.
Some believe, some don't. They often look at who and why the message is being given. It helps them come to a conclusion. It's called a testimony.
How did you come to the Lord? That's not rejecting and killing you.
What led you to the conclusion you have the Spirit of Elijah?
It's all anyone ever wanted in the first place.
We don't want your name, address or money.
Most of the people that come to this forum have already heard what you're saying...You aren't the first to say it.
Some believe, some don't. They often look at who and why the message is being given. It helps them come to a conclusion. It's called a testimony.
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[quote=Guest,Jan 29 2005, 07:05 AM]I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
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Humble is not flattery. Honesty is not joining into the cofussion. Love is not allowing your brothers and sisters to be pushed by the crowds of popularity over the cliff into the fire. If I am a liar then nothing will happen and you will all be carried off on a puffy white cloud into heaven. If the LORD has sent me then you are in contempt and the end is near. I am visiting my sons family right now they came out into the desert to find me. I cant stay long. I will have to go back out and wait on the LORDS instructions. So my advise is to get into your prayer closets just you and the LORD alone and ask HIM for HIS SPIRIT.
Elijah,
exactly which desert did you come from?
[quote=Guest,Jan 29 2005, 07:05 AM]I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
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Humble is not flattery. Honesty is not joining into the cofussion. Love is not allowing your brothers and sisters to be pushed by the crowds of popularity over the cliff into the fire. If I am a liar then nothing will happen and you will all be carried off on a puffy white cloud into heaven. If the LORD has sent me then you are in contempt and the end is near. I am visiting my sons family right now they came out into the desert to find me. I cant stay long. I will have to go back out and wait on the LORDS instructions. So my advise is to get into your prayer closets just you and the LORD alone and ask HIM for HIS SPIRIT.
Elijah,
exactly which desert did you come from?
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 29 2005, 10:06 PM)
QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 29 2005, 07:05 AM)
I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
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You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
[right][snapback]4968[/snapback][/right]
Humble is not flattery. Honesty is not joining into the cofussion. Love is not allowing your brothers and sisters to be pushed by the crowds of popularity over the cliff into the fire. If I am a liar then nothing will happen and you will all be carried off on a puffy white cloud into heaven. If the LORD has sent me then you are in contempt and the end is near. I am visiting my sons family right now they came out into the desert to find me. I cant stay long. I will have to go back out and wait on the LORDS instructions. So my advise is to get into your prayer closets just you and the LORD alone and ask HIM for HIS SPIRIT.
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
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Elijah, I am beginning to think you are a very prideful man. Your posts and claims are flamboyant....... in the least....... but I want you to know that you are being monitored..... there have been complaints.
by the way............
Humility is the highest flattery!
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I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
Humble is not flattery. Honesty is not joining into the cofussion. Love is not allowing your brothers and sisters to be pushed by the crowds of popularity over the cliff into the fire. If I am a liar then nothing will happen and you will all be carried off on a puffy white cloud into heaven. If the LORD has sent me then you are in contempt and the end is near. I am visiting my sons family right now they came out into the desert to find me. I cant stay long. I will have to go back out and wait on the LORDS instructions. So my advise is to get into your prayer closets just you and the LORD alone and ask HIM for HIS SPIRIT.
Elijah,
exactly which desert did you come from?
The mojave. Where the joshua trees are. The anger of man does not produce the righteousness of the LORD. So I will go back to where I came from. I will post one more time on the thread "Who did HE choose" And then I'll be off. By the way Miche I honestly didn't know what reproof meant but I looked it up on yahoo dictionary and rebuking anyone was the farthest thing from what I was attemping to do. The truth about what is comming and what to do about it was my only message here. The LORD is SPIRIT and HE is close. If you walk and talk with the LORD some of you HE will answer.
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
For all things have a purpose unto the Lord.
There are some of us who have a message. And let us all discern through prayer.
God is the provider.
We are the servants.
If this man has come to tell us this message, pray about it, it's that simple.
Also I do think the Simple's message was one of most importance. To love one another. Love our enemies.
Love does conquer all. God is merciful, and patient and loves us unconditionally, BUT we must be obediant. If we feel compelled to write a message that we feel has been given to us from our dear loving father, whether it be through testimony, or vision, dream, or an experience that brought on revelation of the spirit, we still must always test it continually and wait on our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to give us clearity, and always seek Truth in it. If there where one message for me to tell after two near death experiences, it was and I did tell many...That God is merciful and God is patient and God loves us so much...but be obediant.
If the Truth truly lives and breathes in us....WOULD we still Doubt? Yes we are tested continually, and this keeps us obediant as well.
As far as Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses that talked with Jesus Christ....you must remember that Jesus was sent into the desert and tested by Satan. And he also cried in the garden before the coming of the soldiers. I am sure there where times that where unbearable for him. He had emotions, feelings the same as sons of men. He was comforted by I would beleive the Whole HOSTS of HEAVEN and GOD his and our father, feeling separated from him, but the thing is he knew who his father was. He was not a personalized father, one in this world we make up in our own minds to our own needs. He knew him because he was and is Alive in him the whole time he walked the Earth. He guided him, empowered him. Not misused power, but the Power of Almighty God's LOVE TRANSCENDS everything else. But he lived in a world of doubters, mockers, haters, adulterers, self-righteouness without love, but HIS LOVE OVERCAME my friends, he overcame it All through the Love his dear father empowered him with.
Well enough said. GOD BLESS YOU ALL
There are some of us who have a message. And let us all discern through prayer.
God is the provider.
We are the servants.
If this man has come to tell us this message, pray about it, it's that simple.
Also I do think the Simple's message was one of most importance. To love one another. Love our enemies.
Love does conquer all. God is merciful, and patient and loves us unconditionally, BUT we must be obediant. If we feel compelled to write a message that we feel has been given to us from our dear loving father, whether it be through testimony, or vision, dream, or an experience that brought on revelation of the spirit, we still must always test it continually and wait on our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to give us clearity, and always seek Truth in it. If there where one message for me to tell after two near death experiences, it was and I did tell many...That God is merciful and God is patient and God loves us so much...but be obediant.
If the Truth truly lives and breathes in us....WOULD we still Doubt? Yes we are tested continually, and this keeps us obediant as well.
As far as Moses and Elijah being the two witnesses that talked with Jesus Christ....you must remember that Jesus was sent into the desert and tested by Satan. And he also cried in the garden before the coming of the soldiers. I am sure there where times that where unbearable for him. He had emotions, feelings the same as sons of men. He was comforted by I would beleive the Whole HOSTS of HEAVEN and GOD his and our father, feeling separated from him, but the thing is he knew who his father was. He was not a personalized father, one in this world we make up in our own minds to our own needs. He knew him because he was and is Alive in him the whole time he walked the Earth. He guided him, empowered him. Not misused power, but the Power of Almighty God's LOVE TRANSCENDS everything else. But he lived in a world of doubters, mockers, haters, adulterers, self-righteouness without love, but HIS LOVE OVERCAME my friends, he overcame it All through the Love his dear father empowered him with.
Well enough said. GOD BLESS YOU ALL
QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 27 2005, 10:18 AM)
Michelle, does this belong to you?
http://www.geocities.com/starrgerl/inkhorn.htm
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Hey I read this same prophecy on this board. http://www.faithfulboards.com
they all get around. I know I've read it somewhere else to.
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 31 2005, 05:01 AM)
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I've found most people that use this site humble and honest of heart.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
You came riding in on your white horse, cloaked with dagger in hand, trailing Gods word behind you like old cans tied to the bumper of a car.
You were asked direct questions because of the authority you appointed to yourself based on your ability to quote Gods word.
Nobody said they thought you were demon possessed.
Humble is not flattery. Honesty is not joining into the cofussion. Love is not allowing your brothers and sisters to be pushed by the crowds of popularity over the cliff into the fire. If I am a liar then nothing will happen and you will all be carried off on a puffy white cloud into heaven. If the LORD has sent me then you are in contempt and the end is near. I am visiting my sons family right now they came out into the desert to find me. I cant stay long. I will have to go back out and wait on the LORDS instructions. So my advise is to get into your prayer closets just you and the LORD alone and ask HIM for HIS SPIRIT.
Elijah,
exactly which desert did you come from?
The mojave. Where the joshua trees are. The anger of man does not produce the righteousness of the LORD. So I will go back to where I came from. I will post one more time on the thread "Who did HE choose" And then I'll be off. By the way Miche I honestly didn't know what reproof meant but I looked it up on yahoo dictionary and rebuking anyone was the farthest thing from what I was attemping to do. The truth about what is comming and what to do about it was my only message here. The LORD is SPIRIT and HE is close. If you walk and talk with the LORD some of you HE will answer.
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
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John 20:6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, BUT FOLDED TOGETHER IN A PLACE BY ITSELF.
See you in the 'fold' brother (((Charles)))!
2 Thess 3:16 Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord [be] with you.
Love to you in Him,
your sister ~ Tammy
"[We] shall see HIM but not now; [We] shall behold HIM but not nigh"
~Numbers 24:17
The 2 witnesses are Elijah & Enoch which = the 2 great lights unto the world on day 4 of Genesis. there is the greater light = Elijah is the greatest prophet of all times, and Enoch the less prophet of all times. our Bible only has about 2 or 3 verses about him. The 2 witnesses die on purium 2009 . on purium the Jews are
commanded to get drunk until the cannot tell the difference between good and evil.
ie.. haaman and mordacai. The are commanded to give gifts to one and another.
and every 28 years on purium the Jews believe that the 2 great lights ( son & moon ) are RETURNED back to the exact same place that GOD put them on day 4
of creation. 4 = world and 7 = perfection 4 x 7 = 28 . The next time this event occurs is purium 2009. also the Psalm = 1900's and 2000's = pslm 48 = 1948, psalm 14 = 1914 = programs of russia against Jews. pslm 39-45 = holocoust years
of WWII. It looks like 2005 = 105 is when the tribulation is supposed to start.
pslm 105 tells about 2 witnesses and all the plagues they turn loose. and from psalm 105 count forward 3 and 1/2 psalms = psam 109 now look at verse 6 of pslm 109 says set an evil man over him and let SATAN stand at his right hand.
( right hand ? ) co-regient , co-power, in authority, anti/ in the place of, or counterfiet to JESUS at his fathers right hand. The key to Revelation after Chapter 4 is JEWISH holidays and customs. Rev 11:4 and ZEC 4:11 ( God is so GOOD ) his 2 witnesses are his 2 olive trees. Why trees ? the Jewish holiday of
TU BI SHEVAT = tasting of the tree of life ( JESUS ) this holiday points JEWS to the
garden of eden and the tree of life ( JESUS ) this holiday is 60 days before passover. when these 2 witnesses appear in JER-USA-lem 60days before the GREAT PASSOVER of ELIJAH'S RETURN ... You see each year at passover Jews set
a place at the table for Elijah ( HE IS THE ONE DOING THE SEDAR, IT's HIS JOB )
at the end of the meal the JEWS send a child to open the door and to look down the road to see if ELIJAH is coming ...THIS YEAR. the reason you send a child is in
your heart you alread know he is not coming... this year.... So they say NEXT YEAR IN JER-USA-LEM... so when the word goes out that the NEXT YEAR is now or
when these 2 show up.. the word will go out to all of JEWs woldk wide that the thing
we have said for 2000 years ...THE NEXT YEAR is NOW.. every jew will make a bee
line to ISRAEL. there are 6 million in ISRAEL, and about 2.5 million in the rest of the world withthe exception of the NORTH American contenant which has 6 million
pluss... this is How JEREMIAH 23:7,8 will be fullfilled " no longer will is say blessed
are those that came up from egypt, but blessed be those that came out of the NORTH COUNTRY = north america...
Plus there are 5 cups to drink at the passover sedar, the 5th cup is Elijah's cup of
redemption. if the last is a cup of redemption then the other 4 must be redemption
cups as well. 1st cup Joseph redeemed his family out of famine and death. 2nd cup. moses redeemed his people out of slavery to idols and false gods. 3rd cup
Nehemiah redeemed them out of babylon a type of prison. 4th cup God redeemed
them out of the WHOLE world to their Home, A redemption from wandering, or maybe the prodigal son ? The only CUP left is a spiritual cup of salvation, and the
knowledge given by the great teacher that JESUS is THE CHRIST..
in Reference to Moses or Enoch, supposedly enoch was the builder, (Chee-ops) of
the pyramids. He is supposed to be the father of mathmatics. the great engineer of
egypt... So may be he will build the Temple of JER-USA-LEM ? plus Moses died,
and a JEW cannot touch a dead person they will be unclean ? in exodus 19: vrs 17-21 talks about 3 days and God would come to the mountain and moses and 70
of the elders would come up and have a meal with him. in the verse where it says
sanctify yourselves today and tomorrow for in the third day ( which is NOW ) hidden in bible code at an 84 letter skip is the word in hebrew for RAPTURE. and 84 is the numerical value of ENOCH's name, who was the first GENTILE ever raptured. hidden also in code of a skip of every other letter in hosea 6:2 where it
says after 2 days he will revive us the thired day he will raise us up. is the HEBREW word for rapture here as well, starting with the 2nd word 2nd letter, if I
remember correctly. Any way remember we are ADOPTED JEWS, WHY ? because they are the last and greatest KEY to the puzzle.
thanks if you read this
Dave prov 30:04
commanded to get drunk until the cannot tell the difference between good and evil.
ie.. haaman and mordacai. The are commanded to give gifts to one and another.
and every 28 years on purium the Jews believe that the 2 great lights ( son & moon ) are RETURNED back to the exact same place that GOD put them on day 4
of creation. 4 = world and 7 = perfection 4 x 7 = 28 . The next time this event occurs is purium 2009. also the Psalm = 1900's and 2000's = pslm 48 = 1948, psalm 14 = 1914 = programs of russia against Jews. pslm 39-45 = holocoust years
of WWII. It looks like 2005 = 105 is when the tribulation is supposed to start.
pslm 105 tells about 2 witnesses and all the plagues they turn loose. and from psalm 105 count forward 3 and 1/2 psalms = psam 109 now look at verse 6 of pslm 109 says set an evil man over him and let SATAN stand at his right hand.
( right hand ? ) co-regient , co-power, in authority, anti/ in the place of, or counterfiet to JESUS at his fathers right hand. The key to Revelation after Chapter 4 is JEWISH holidays and customs. Rev 11:4 and ZEC 4:11 ( God is so GOOD ) his 2 witnesses are his 2 olive trees. Why trees ? the Jewish holiday of
TU BI SHEVAT = tasting of the tree of life ( JESUS ) this holiday points JEWS to the
garden of eden and the tree of life ( JESUS ) this holiday is 60 days before passover. when these 2 witnesses appear in JER-USA-lem 60days before the GREAT PASSOVER of ELIJAH'S RETURN ... You see each year at passover Jews set
a place at the table for Elijah ( HE IS THE ONE DOING THE SEDAR, IT's HIS JOB )
at the end of the meal the JEWS send a child to open the door and to look down the road to see if ELIJAH is coming ...THIS YEAR. the reason you send a child is in
your heart you alread know he is not coming... this year.... So they say NEXT YEAR IN JER-USA-LEM... so when the word goes out that the NEXT YEAR is now or
when these 2 show up.. the word will go out to all of JEWs woldk wide that the thing
we have said for 2000 years ...THE NEXT YEAR is NOW.. every jew will make a bee
line to ISRAEL. there are 6 million in ISRAEL, and about 2.5 million in the rest of the world withthe exception of the NORTH American contenant which has 6 million
pluss... this is How JEREMIAH 23:7,8 will be fullfilled " no longer will is say blessed
are those that came up from egypt, but blessed be those that came out of the NORTH COUNTRY = north america...
Plus there are 5 cups to drink at the passover sedar, the 5th cup is Elijah's cup of
redemption. if the last is a cup of redemption then the other 4 must be redemption
cups as well. 1st cup Joseph redeemed his family out of famine and death. 2nd cup. moses redeemed his people out of slavery to idols and false gods. 3rd cup
Nehemiah redeemed them out of babylon a type of prison. 4th cup God redeemed
them out of the WHOLE world to their Home, A redemption from wandering, or maybe the prodigal son ? The only CUP left is a spiritual cup of salvation, and the
knowledge given by the great teacher that JESUS is THE CHRIST..
in Reference to Moses or Enoch, supposedly enoch was the builder, (Chee-ops) of
the pyramids. He is supposed to be the father of mathmatics. the great engineer of
egypt... So may be he will build the Temple of JER-USA-LEM ? plus Moses died,
and a JEW cannot touch a dead person they will be unclean ? in exodus 19: vrs 17-21 talks about 3 days and God would come to the mountain and moses and 70
of the elders would come up and have a meal with him. in the verse where it says
sanctify yourselves today and tomorrow for in the third day ( which is NOW ) hidden in bible code at an 84 letter skip is the word in hebrew for RAPTURE. and 84 is the numerical value of ENOCH's name, who was the first GENTILE ever raptured. hidden also in code of a skip of every other letter in hosea 6:2 where it
says after 2 days he will revive us the thired day he will raise us up. is the HEBREW word for rapture here as well, starting with the 2nd word 2nd letter, if I
remember correctly. Any way remember we are ADOPTED JEWS, WHY ? because they are the last and greatest KEY to the puzzle.
thanks if you read this
Dave prov 30:04
As for me, I dont worry about the specific identity of the Witnesses beforehand. God will make it clear to us at the proper time.
We will recognize them, and their message, or it would defeat the point.
We will recognize them, and their message, or it would defeat the point.
Metamorphosis and the Two Witnesses.
The Two witnesses are described to be feminine; Lampstand and Olive Trees.
The Two Witnesses are described to be masculine; Two Prophets, and pronouns, "him."
The Old Testament was described to be one of them, mentioning the plagues on Egypt, and Elijah stopping rain.
God was the Husband (Head) of the Body (Israel) wrote the Old Testament.
Jesus was the Head of the Called-out (Body) who wrote the New Testament.
These were killed, figuratively speaking, during the Dark Ages.
They came up to Heaven (Government of congregations) during the Millennium
(AD 1859-1959).
They are dead again today (Rev 20.7-10).
hoaryhead
The Two witnesses are described to be feminine; Lampstand and Olive Trees.
The Two Witnesses are described to be masculine; Two Prophets, and pronouns, "him."
The Old Testament was described to be one of them, mentioning the plagues on Egypt, and Elijah stopping rain.
God was the Husband (Head) of the Body (Israel) wrote the Old Testament.
Jesus was the Head of the Called-out (Body) who wrote the New Testament.
These were killed, figuratively speaking, during the Dark Ages.
They came up to Heaven (Government of congregations) during the Millennium
(AD 1859-1959).
They are dead again today (Rev 20.7-10).
hoaryhead
QUOTE(Limbo @ May 28 2005, 01:58 PM)
As for me, I dont worry about the specific identity of the Witnesses beforehand. God will make it clear to us at the proper time.
We will recognize them, and their message, or it would defeat the point.
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Hello Limbo,
As far as I understand the scriptures, the two witnesses will be in Israel, but they will come only after the church is raptured. Neither Israel, nor the world will recognize them, because when the beast will kill them they will send gifts to one another to celebrate their death because they were tormented by them. So, we know what will happen, but at that time we will be gone.
meekness
QUOTE(Guest @ Feb 25 2005, 04:35 AM)
QUOTE(Guest @ Jan 27 2005, 10:18 AM)
Michelle, does this belong to you?
http://www.geocities.com/starrgerl/inkhorn.htm
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Hey I read this same prophecy on this board. http://www.faithfulboards.com
they all get around. I know I've read it somewhere else to.
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That is because my dad Charles Martin who wrote it sent out at least 500 hand written copies to different churches in the eighties. He also emailed it all over the world in the late nineties from his computer, when he had one.
The two witnesses are here now! And they will be revealed through the scroll Daniel was told to seal until the time of the end. This is also the epistle from Laodicea Paul told us to read at the end of Colossians! This final letter to the children of God Almighty will have many new prophecies in it, and as these all come to pass, the Bride of Christ will fully understand these two are the two lampstands prophesied to come in the book of Zechariah and Revelation, and this is the time of the end spoken of by the prophets of old and the Lamb Himself!
The oldest of the two is the one the Holy Spirit is writing this letter through.
This is all I can reveal at this moment in time -for the Father will not let me reveal anything else other than the fact that this final letter to His children will be finished in the year 2006 -and soon after that it will be published and these two witneeses will be revealed to the children of the Most High.
And yes their ministry will be filled with miracles -and many saints of the Lord who have resently stepped into eternity will be brought back from the dead as proof given to the children of God Almighty!
For the Lord God of all of creation has decreed it to be!
QUOTE(Faithful @ Jul 19 2005, 06:49 AM)
[Hey I read this same prophecy on this board. http://www.faithfulboards.com
they all get around. I know I've read it somewhere else to.
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they all get around. I know I've read it somewhere else to.
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Your suspenders are showing!!
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Elijah was not Hebrew. Elijah the Tishbit.
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http://www.bibleplaces.com/gileadupper.htm
http://www.wake-up.org/daystar/ds2002/MayA.htm
Elijah called
About 870 B.C., northern Israel’s decadence had become so evil that God stepped in. He called a "country boy" from the remote desert territory of Gilead to be His spokesman. (God often chooses the most unlikely people to do awesome work.) As a youth, Elijah did not fill his mind with the foolishness of idolatry nor did he chase after the meaningless pleasures of carnal dissipation – pleasures which idolatry not only approved, but exalted. Elijah was devoted to God; deeply concerned and grieved by the idolatrous behavior of his people. Elijah knew that God’s wrath toward Israel’s behavior was long overdue. Elijah wanted to make a difference, but he recognized that he was just a youth and powerless to do anything about it. He had no influence, no pulpit and no money. To him, it seemed as if there was nothing he could do – except pray.
Elijah was Hebrew. God would not send a foreigner to minister to his people...I believe there were no prophets except in Israel..
comments anyone?
Who said:
"Elijah knew that God’s wrath toward Israel’s behavior was long overdue".
God's wrath towards those grafted in seems overdue as well but God's timing is perfect. We look on the outward appearence but God knows the details.
"Elijah knew that God’s wrath toward Israel’s behavior was long overdue".
God's wrath towards those grafted in seems overdue as well but God's timing is perfect. We look on the outward appearence but God knows the details.
QUOTE(Miki @ Sep 26 2005, 06:17 AM)
Who said:
"Elijah knew that God’s wrath toward Israel’s behavior was long overdue".
God's wrath towards those grafted in seems overdue as well but God's timing is perfect. We look on the outward appearence but God knows the details.
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"Elijah knew that God’s wrath toward Israel’s behavior was long overdue".
God's wrath towards those grafted in seems overdue as well but God's timing is perfect. We look on the outward appearence but God knows the details.
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Loving judgement back into the arena of obedience I would think. God's love is for us not against us and tough love and confrontational evangelism are valid strategies. Be prepared for chastisements.
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 28 2005, 10:07 PM)
The posts as guests who are members hiding. remind me of those who went in and around the crowd after CHRIST had been taken yelling out while hiding "Crusify Him Crusify HIM".
Mt 11:19 - Show Context
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Luke 7:
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
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Mt 11:19 - Show Context
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Luke 7:
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
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Elijah,
Ummm.....I use the "cloaking devise" too. Man, for someone to tell me I don't love the Lord makes me want to go back sleep.....
I use it so that when I look at the sites I am writing I can read it and think about it without anyone on the other end seeing my name at the bottom and wondering....she gonna fight back? I takes me some time to think. I read it and then iron or mow the lawn and THEN get back with hopefully thoughtful answers born from prayer and said with grace. It is a tool I use and I have gone in as "guest" when the Spirit is quick to answer.
Leia
QUOTE(Leia @ Sep 26 2005, 07:36 AM)
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 28 2005, 10:07 PM)
The posts as guests who are members hiding. remind me of those who went in and around the crowd after CHRIST had been taken yelling out while hiding "Crusify Him Crusify HIM".
Mt 11:19 - Show Context
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Luke 7:
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
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Mt 11:19 - Show Context
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Luke 7:
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
By faith in HIM alone
Charles Martin
a son of man
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Elijah,
Ummm.....I use the "cloaking devise" too. Man, for someone to tell me I don't love the Lord makes me want to go back sleep.....
I use it so that when I look at the sites I am writing I can read it and think about it without anyone on the other end seeing my name at the bottom and wondering....she gonna fight back? I takes me some time to think. I read it and then iron or mow the lawn and THEN get back with hopefully thoughtful answers born from prayer and said with grace. It is a tool I use and I have gone in as "guest" when the Spirit is quick to answer.
Leia
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Color me stupid. I would never have thought of it. My laundry is on the line and I am at risk for it to get frozen solid by a wintery spirit and covered in bugs when the heat comes on... . How would one know a guest is a member in cloak and dagger uniform, all dressed up and no where to go?
JMHO
2 Peter Chapter 3:
This is now, beloved, the second letter that I have written to you; and in both of them I stir up your sincere mind by reminding you;
2 that you should remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and the commandments of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior:
3 knowing this first, that in the last days mockers will come, walking after their own lusts,
4 and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For, from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
5 For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth formed out of water and amid water, by the word of God;
6 by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.
7 But the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But don't forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore since all these things are thus to be destroyed, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy living and godliness,
12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire will be dissolved, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
13 But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which dwells righteousness.
14 Therefore, beloved, seeing that you look for these things, be diligent to be found in peace, without blemish and blameless in his sight.
15 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you;
16 as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 You therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, you fall from your own steadfastness.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
This is now, beloved, the second letter that I have written to you; and in both of them I stir up your sincere mind by reminding you;
2 that you should remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and the commandments of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior:
3 knowing this first, that in the last days mockers will come, walking after their own lusts,
4 and saying, "Where is the promise of his coming? For, from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation."
5 For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth formed out of water and amid water, by the word of God;
6 by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished.
7 But the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But don't forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
11 Therefore since all these things are thus to be destroyed, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy living and godliness,
12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire will be dissolved, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
13 But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which dwells righteousness.
14 Therefore, beloved, seeing that you look for these things, be diligent to be found in peace, without blemish and blameless in his sight.
15 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you;
16 as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 You therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, you fall from your own steadfastness.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
Taken from Daily Bible Study @ www.keyway.ca
Are The Two Witnesses
Here Now?
Throughout Bible History, God has raised up numerous prophets, a number of whom were incredibly powerful in word and deed. Because these individuals were sent directly by God to testify before mighty kings and rulers, frequently under very adverse and hostile conditions, they were often given miraculous powers, through The Holy Spirit, as proof that they truly were from God. These powers were also necessary for their own self defense. Moses and Elijah and Elisha are three of the best-known examples from different times.
According to The Bible, there will be, in the end time, two prophets who are going to be vastly more world-famous, and immensely more supernaturally-powerful, than any that have ever existed before. They are known in Scripture as The Two Witnesses.
Students of Bible Prophecy have long speculated who the Two Witnesses may be when the time comes. Some people in our time have even believed themselves to be one of the Two Witnesses. Is that possible? Could the Two Witnesses be around somewhere right now?
First, anyone who may be thinking of going into the "Two Witnesses business" (ignoring the fact that they will not be volunteers, or in any way self-appointed - God Himself will choose them when the time comes) may want to carefully consider what that will involve. They will have a very difficult and unenviable task -
An extremely dangerous and stressful mission, without let-up for at least 1,260 days (3½ years). (Revelation 11:3)
Due to the dazzling religious fraud and deception that will exist at that time (Revelation 13:5-18), the two witnesses will be hated by millions of people (Revelation 11:5,10). It seems quite likely that the only human friend that either of the witnesses will have during the time of their ministry will be the other witness.
They will kill numerous people, albeit in lawful self defense, as specifically prescribed by God (Revelation 11:5).
They will cause tremendous damage, through plagues and weather disasters, that they will have the power to cause at will (Revelation 11:6).
Upon completion of their duties, they will be viciously martyred in Jerusalem, by Satan himself (Revelation 11:7), where their bodies will be left in the street for over 3 days (Revelation 11:8-9) - they will not be given even a simple funeral, and chances are their dead bodies will be brutally abused as they are shown on news media all around the world (Revelation 11:9-10).
But will they be true servants of The Lord? Yes. Will God Himself have chosen them? Yes. After their brutal deaths, will they be resurrected to glorious eternal life? Yes.
Could they be around somewhere right now? Based upon the progress in the fulfillment of the prophecy, illustrated by Daniel's Statue, I would say that they are almost certainly around somewhere right now, although they themselves may not yet be aware of their eventual calling, and may not yet even know each other. They could even still be children, or young adults, living a normal life (the kid who delivered your newspaper this morning could just as likely be one of the Two Witnesses some day as anyone else) - although I do expect that they will be, or will have been, very interested in Bible study.
Their ministry definitely has not yet begun, but there will be little doubt when it does. When should we expect the Two Witnesses to appear on the scene? There are a number of factors, but here are two that you can count as certain -
After a Temple, or Holy Place has been built in Jerusalem (see The Place To Watch).
After a great military dictator (see The Abomination of Desolation and Birth Of A Superpower) overruns Israel and takes over the Temple, with the assistance of his Great False Prophet
What Does The Bible Actually Say About The Two Witnesses?
"And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before The Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want."
"Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth."
"But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on."
(Revelation 11:3-12)
Are The Two Witnesses
Here Now?
Throughout Bible History, God has raised up numerous prophets, a number of whom were incredibly powerful in word and deed. Because these individuals were sent directly by God to testify before mighty kings and rulers, frequently under very adverse and hostile conditions, they were often given miraculous powers, through The Holy Spirit, as proof that they truly were from God. These powers were also necessary for their own self defense. Moses and Elijah and Elisha are three of the best-known examples from different times.
According to The Bible, there will be, in the end time, two prophets who are going to be vastly more world-famous, and immensely more supernaturally-powerful, than any that have ever existed before. They are known in Scripture as The Two Witnesses.
Students of Bible Prophecy have long speculated who the Two Witnesses may be when the time comes. Some people in our time have even believed themselves to be one of the Two Witnesses. Is that possible? Could the Two Witnesses be around somewhere right now?
First, anyone who may be thinking of going into the "Two Witnesses business" (ignoring the fact that they will not be volunteers, or in any way self-appointed - God Himself will choose them when the time comes) may want to carefully consider what that will involve. They will have a very difficult and unenviable task -
An extremely dangerous and stressful mission, without let-up for at least 1,260 days (3½ years). (Revelation 11:3)
Due to the dazzling religious fraud and deception that will exist at that time (Revelation 13:5-18), the two witnesses will be hated by millions of people (Revelation 11:5,10). It seems quite likely that the only human friend that either of the witnesses will have during the time of their ministry will be the other witness.
They will kill numerous people, albeit in lawful self defense, as specifically prescribed by God (Revelation 11:5).
They will cause tremendous damage, through plagues and weather disasters, that they will have the power to cause at will (Revelation 11:6).
Upon completion of their duties, they will be viciously martyred in Jerusalem, by Satan himself (Revelation 11:7), where their bodies will be left in the street for over 3 days (Revelation 11:8-9) - they will not be given even a simple funeral, and chances are their dead bodies will be brutally abused as they are shown on news media all around the world (Revelation 11:9-10).
But will they be true servants of The Lord? Yes. Will God Himself have chosen them? Yes. After their brutal deaths, will they be resurrected to glorious eternal life? Yes.
Could they be around somewhere right now? Based upon the progress in the fulfillment of the prophecy, illustrated by Daniel's Statue, I would say that they are almost certainly around somewhere right now, although they themselves may not yet be aware of their eventual calling, and may not yet even know each other. They could even still be children, or young adults, living a normal life (the kid who delivered your newspaper this morning could just as likely be one of the Two Witnesses some day as anyone else) - although I do expect that they will be, or will have been, very interested in Bible study.
Their ministry definitely has not yet begun, but there will be little doubt when it does. When should we expect the Two Witnesses to appear on the scene? There are a number of factors, but here are two that you can count as certain -
After a Temple, or Holy Place has been built in Jerusalem (see The Place To Watch).
After a great military dictator (see The Abomination of Desolation and Birth Of A Superpower) overruns Israel and takes over the Temple, with the assistance of his Great False Prophet
What Does The Bible Actually Say About The Two Witnesses?
"And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before The Lord of the earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want."
"Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth."
"But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on."
(Revelation 11:3-12)
QUOTE(Cherrychookie @ Oct 27 2005, 06:42 AM)
Taken from Daily Bible Study @ www.keyway.ca
Are The Two Witnesses
Here Now?
Students of Bible Prophecy have long speculated who the Two Witnesses may be **********
(Revelation 11:3-12)
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Are The Two Witnesses
Here Now?
Students of Bible Prophecy have long speculated who the Two Witnesses may be **********
(Revelation 11:3-12)
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With everything happening the way it is, they HAVE to be here now. There just can't be that many more years left until their mission starts that they could still not be born yet.
What I've been thinking about is how everybody hates them. Assume for just a minute that all the Christians are here through the tribulation (please just assume it--there are other threads for arguing the contrary--rapture threads). Would even the Christians who are here hate them? Would there be something about their message that we would find surprising or upsetting or new, considering how we have been taught to believe? I'm just wondering. Or is the hatred toward them just because the rest of the world is so wicked and doesn't want to hear that they need to repent and come to the Lord? I can't help but wonder if we would be surprised in some way by these witnesses, if we would say, "Oh, they can't be the REAL two witnesses, because I'm expecting something different" (assuming we were here, of course!).
Just something I've been wondering about a little bit lately!
Debbie
Debbie,
Me too. The scare part of the scripture is that they will be killed "and the whole world will rejoice and send gifts to one another and celebrate". Sounds like we think they are bad ones and rejoice, then three days later when they ariseinto heaven the world realizes its mistake. I wish I knew whether "whole world" was Christians and nonChristians alike. I have heard some even say that "whole world" means over there...the inhabited world of that time. I just don't want to believe we would be so blinded by thinking God's two special reserved persons were evil.
That is, of course, assuming all the stuff you are OK with assuming.
Leia
Me too. The scare part of the scripture is that they will be killed "and the whole world will rejoice and send gifts to one another and celebrate". Sounds like we think they are bad ones and rejoice, then three days later when they ariseinto heaven the world realizes its mistake. I wish I knew whether "whole world" was Christians and nonChristians alike. I have heard some even say that "whole world" means over there...the inhabited world of that time. I just don't want to believe we would be so blinded by thinking God's two special reserved persons were evil.
That is, of course, assuming all the stuff you are OK with assuming.
Leia
QUOTE(Leia @ Oct 28 2005, 06:47 AM)
Debbie,
Me too. The scare part of the scripture is that they will be killed "and the whole world will rejoice and send gifts to one another and celebrate". Sounds like we think they are bad ones and rejoice, then three days later when they ariseinto heaven the world realizes its mistake. I wish I knew whether "whole world" was Christians and nonChristians alike. I have heard some even say that "whole world" means over there...the inhabited world of that time. I just don't want to believe we would be so blinded by thinking God's two special reserved persons were evil.
That is, of course, assuming all the stuff you are OK with assuming.
Leia
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Me too. The scare part of the scripture is that they will be killed "and the whole world will rejoice and send gifts to one another and celebrate". Sounds like we think they are bad ones and rejoice, then three days later when they ariseinto heaven the world realizes its mistake. I wish I knew whether "whole world" was Christians and nonChristians alike. I have heard some even say that "whole world" means over there...the inhabited world of that time. I just don't want to believe we would be so blinded by thinking God's two special reserved persons were evil.
That is, of course, assuming all the stuff you are OK with assuming.
Leia
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Of course the world will think they are bad ones. And the world will worship the beast as God on earth. The scriptures say that many who kill us will think that they are doing God service.
I believe the celebrations will be global.
It is amazing to note that this prophesy was put down many centuries ago in a time when it took months for news to travel through out the Roman empire let alone through out the entire world. But in this prophesy we see during the time of their deaths 3 days the whole world will see them dead. Of course with today’s satellite live TV technology it seems normal. But think of how the first century Christians must have thought when they read such things?
Why do you think they will leave their bodies in the street? To disprove their resurrection of course. They will be deemed as false prophets by the religious authorities of the time and the people of the World will believe the authorities. keeping their bodies under international view until they rot would dispel any claim that these where the two prophets.
But their plan to discredit will backfire on them.
What a shock the world will receive then they find out how wrong they where.All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Yep. Remember poor disallusioned Saul holding all the coats? Poor Saul, and por us. Can we just tell ourselves we won't celebrate death no matter waht form it takes? Can we just grieve over any death, including those we see as our enemies? But God's enemies are my enemies.....but I don't have to be happy in their death.....be sober looks good to me in all cases. Lord, please let me not be a Saul.
Remember Jesus' death? The yremembered He had said He would raise up in three days and posted guards so no one woul dsteal the body and say "SEE! HE IS RAISED!" They never thought it could be more than that. Maybe they will post guards again. Man, you think Satan would learn that when God says something....
I kind of thought they would keep their bodies out for everyone to see because they were so "the enemy" that they would want to gloat over killing them. Hence the celebration. Can you imagine? In the glass coffin for everyone to see and say "we won!" and then they get up. HA!
Leia
Remember Jesus' death? The yremembered He had said He would raise up in three days and posted guards so no one woul dsteal the body and say "SEE! HE IS RAISED!" They never thought it could be more than that. Maybe they will post guards again. Man, you think Satan would learn that when God says something....
I kind of thought they would keep their bodies out for everyone to see because they were so "the enemy" that they would want to gloat over killing them. Hence the celebration. Can you imagine? In the glass coffin for everyone to see and say "we won!" and then they get up. HA!
Leia
Lord God....
I don't have visions anymore. I used to alot but not for a long, very long time.
I had logged out. I went to do my chores. I was cold becasue the house, never mind...I was cold and I can't relly get cold. If I get cold and don't get warm I immediately get sick. Dad told that I didn't have enough blood. Good blood, jus not enough. For whatever reason, I was chilled and walking past my car and thought, I am going to lay down in the back seat and cover up and just get warm. Cars are so cosy with the windows. So there i was and it was quiet and I almost fell asleep and then thought, I should go inside, my children will want lunch soon. God told me not yet. So I stayed longer then thought I should go. God said not yet. A few more times of thins and when things seems very still I quickly saw myself typing in this forum. I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.
That was not startling but there seemed to immediately be someone back again, though I did not know there was anyone there before and now they were so angry it frightened me and I had the most startling vision my eyes opened and I sat up and got out and came here. Very short and I don't know what it means but whoever it was so very very very angry at the statement that was given to me above. The vision was ironing. I was ironing and I put a whilte shirt on the board and a glass of water where I could fill the iron and a cup of coffee to sip and keep me warm and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt.
This is supposed to mean a threat. More of a threat and a promise they will do it.
I don''t know who "they" are. I am not crazy. I don't even know what they mean. But I know from my background that they mean it and that there is a "they".
I need some answers. I have never been good at this stuff and have let it go up until this very moment. I will not any longer!!! I need to hear from anyone. Anyone.
The sentence I was
given" right now means less to me than the white shirt and the water and the coffee spilling onto it. wWhat did they mean? Calling ALL help. Traveler, you so thins stuff! What is it.
Leia
I don't have visions anymore. I used to alot but not for a long, very long time.
I had logged out. I went to do my chores. I was cold becasue the house, never mind...I was cold and I can't relly get cold. If I get cold and don't get warm I immediately get sick. Dad told that I didn't have enough blood. Good blood, jus not enough. For whatever reason, I was chilled and walking past my car and thought, I am going to lay down in the back seat and cover up and just get warm. Cars are so cosy with the windows. So there i was and it was quiet and I almost fell asleep and then thought, I should go inside, my children will want lunch soon. God told me not yet. So I stayed longer then thought I should go. God said not yet. A few more times of thins and when things seems very still I quickly saw myself typing in this forum. I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.
That was not startling but there seemed to immediately be someone back again, though I did not know there was anyone there before and now they were so angry it frightened me and I had the most startling vision my eyes opened and I sat up and got out and came here. Very short and I don't know what it means but whoever it was so very very very angry at the statement that was given to me above. The vision was ironing. I was ironing and I put a whilte shirt on the board and a glass of water where I could fill the iron and a cup of coffee to sip and keep me warm and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt.
This is supposed to mean a threat. More of a threat and a promise they will do it.
I don''t know who "they" are. I am not crazy. I don't even know what they mean. But I know from my background that they mean it and that there is a "they".
I need some answers. I have never been good at this stuff and have let it go up until this very moment. I will not any longer!!! I need to hear from anyone. Anyone.
The sentence I was
given" right now means less to me than the white shirt and the water and the coffee spilling onto it. wWhat did they mean? Calling ALL help. Traveler, you so thins stuff! What is it.
Leia
Leia, I would make your last post a new thread so Russell might see it. I wish I could help but I am at a loss on this.
Rats! His name is Russell...that was my pet name for Rusty (Vash Leo). I don't know how to do that and copy. I wil try to get his contact from his info. Hope he doesn't mind...
leia
leia
Liea, just go to your post where you put your vision. Left click and hold over all your words all the way down. They should highlight in blue. Then hit right click and hit copy. Then as you normally would go post your new topic. When you get to your message just right click again and hit paste. That should do it.
QUOTE(Leia @ Oct 29 2005, 04:22 AM)
Lord God....
I don't have visions anymore. I used to alot but not for a long, very long time.
I had logged out. I went to do my chores. I was cold becasue the house, never mind...I was cold and I can't relly get cold. If I get cold and don't get warm I immediately get sick. Dad told that I didn't have enough blood. Good blood, jus not enough. For whatever reason, I was chilled and walking past my car and thought, I am going to lay down in the back seat and cover up and just get warm. Cars are so cosy with the windows. So there i was and it was quiet and I almost fell asleep and then thought, I should go inside, my children will want lunch soon. God told me not yet. So I stayed longer then thought I should go. God said not yet. A few more times of thins and when things seems very still I quickly saw myself typing in this forum. I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.
That was not startling but there seemed to immediately be someone back again, though I did not know there was anyone there before and now they were so angry it frightened me and I had the most startling vision my eyes opened and I sat up and got out and came here. Very short and I don't know what it means but whoever it was so very very very angry at the statement that was given to me above. The vision was ironing. I was ironing and I put a whilte shirt on the board and a glass of water where I could fill the iron and a cup of coffee to sip and keep me warm and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt.
This is supposed to mean a threat. More of a threat and a promise they will do it.
I don''t know who "they" are. I am not crazy. I don't even know what they mean. But I know from my background that they mean it and that there is a "they".
I need some answers. I have never been good at this stuff and have let it go up until this very moment. I will not any longer!!! I need to hear from anyone. Anyone.
The sentence I was
given" right now means less to me than the white shirt and the water and the coffee spilling onto it. wWhat did they mean? Calling ALL help. Traveler, you so thins stuff! What is it.
Leia
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I don't have visions anymore. I used to alot but not for a long, very long time.
I had logged out. I went to do my chores. I was cold becasue the house, never mind...I was cold and I can't relly get cold. If I get cold and don't get warm I immediately get sick. Dad told that I didn't have enough blood. Good blood, jus not enough. For whatever reason, I was chilled and walking past my car and thought, I am going to lay down in the back seat and cover up and just get warm. Cars are so cosy with the windows. So there i was and it was quiet and I almost fell asleep and then thought, I should go inside, my children will want lunch soon. God told me not yet. So I stayed longer then thought I should go. God said not yet. A few more times of thins and when things seems very still I quickly saw myself typing in this forum. I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.
That was not startling but there seemed to immediately be someone back again, though I did not know there was anyone there before and now they were so angry it frightened me and I had the most startling vision my eyes opened and I sat up and got out and came here. Very short and I don't know what it means but whoever it was so very very very angry at the statement that was given to me above. The vision was ironing. I was ironing and I put a whilte shirt on the board and a glass of water where I could fill the iron and a cup of coffee to sip and keep me warm and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt.
This is supposed to mean a threat. More of a threat and a promise they will do it.
I don''t know who "they" are. I am not crazy. I don't even know what they mean. But I know from my background that they mean it and that there is a "they".
I need some answers. I have never been good at this stuff and have let it go up until this very moment. I will not any longer!!! I need to hear from anyone. Anyone.
The sentence I was
given" right now means less to me than the white shirt and the water and the coffee spilling onto it. wWhat did they mean? Calling ALL help. Traveler, you so thins stuff! What is it.
Leia
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Hi Leia
I'm not convinced that this is a vision for the Church but I do sense that this is more of a personal message for you.
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The vision was ironing.
## This is a daily chore concerning preparing our clothes (the garments that we wear). This chore first requires the washing of our clothes to make them clean and then ironing them to make them presentable without wrinkles.
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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I was ironing and I put a whilte shirt on the board and a glass of water where I could fill the iron and a cup of coffee to sip and keep me warm
## The white shirt represents our righteousness in Christ Jesus. It is the robe of righteousness that we have received from him of which we need to keep without spot or wrinkle.
Re 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be ARRAYED IN FINE LINEN, CLEAN AND WHITE: FOR THE FINE LINEN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SAINTS.
Isa 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, HE HATH COVERED ME WITH THE ROBE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
## The iron speaks of the refining process that we go through in our preparation to be ready and presented when we meet the Lord.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
## The Holy Spirit is represented by the glass of water which is poured into the iron which speaks of the Holy Spirit's enabling during this process.
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.John
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
1Pe 1:22 SEEING YE HAVE PURIFIED YOUR SOULS IN OBEYING THE TRUTH THROUGH THE SPIRIT unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
## The cup of coffee to sip and keep you warm relates to fellowship.
Mt 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
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and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt.
Seeing that the cup represents fellowship, then this significant event where you spill coffee over your white shirt (robe of righteousness) concerns a fellowship that you are involved which is staining it.
Going by the symbolism within this vision, I would suggest that the fellowship that this vision is addressing is a spiritual or religous fellowship which is not of the Spirit of God rather than one to do with family or friends.
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I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.
The one who will do the deed relates to those who you are having a spiritual or religous fellowship who are not of the Spirit of God and they will not be anxious about it or even hesitant.
In Him
Russell
they would get treated exactly as they did before. that is the sad truth of it.
[quote=Traveller62_au,Oct 29 2005, 05:36 AM]
I'm not convinced that this is a vision for the Church but I do sense that this is more of a personal message for you.
Yes, that feels right to the soul.
[quote]The vision was ironing.[/quote]
## This is a daily chore concerning preparing our clothes (the garments that we wear). This chore first requires the washing of our clothes to make them clean and then ironing them to make them presentable without wrinkles.
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; but that it should be holy and without blemish or wrinkle.
Silly, me. Sounds easy when you say it. Yes, I see that.
## The iron speaks of the refining process that we go through in our preparation to be ready and presented when we meet the Lord.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
The "getting ready". OK. So far so good. Feels right to the soul.
## The Holy Spirit is represented by the glass of water which is poured into the iron which speaks of the Holy Spirit's enabling during this process.
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.John
That feels right too.
## The cup of coffee to sip and keep you warm relates to fellowship.
Mt 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Agree. Feels like hitting the mark. The next part, however, I am confused...
1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
[quote]and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt. [/quote]
Seeing that the cup represents fellowship, then this significant event where you spill coffee over your white shirt (robe of righteousness) concerns a fellowship that you are involved which is staining it.
Going by the symbolism within this vision, I would suggest that the fellowship that this vision is addressing is a spiritual or religous fellowship which is not of the Spirit of God rather than one to do with family or friends.
[quote]I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.[/quote]
The one who will do the deed relates to those who you are having a spiritual or religous fellowship who are not of the Spirit of God and they will not be anxious about it or even hesitant.
In Him
Russell
I thought I had gotten RID of all of that!!!!! How far away do I have to move? Is it even possible? Lord, who could it be? It could be anyone. They never let you know until they want to. SEE? That's why I am almost a hermit. I witness to hundreds of people a week during tours (insidiously 'cause is public school kids)that come to this farm, I do what I can for the kingdom, and other than that I stay at home.
Lord I despise my background. Who would be trying to submarine me? But that feel right with my soul too. God reveals things and they hate it. They are giong to be the ones that kill the witnesses. If not by their own hands, by those they serve! And they are pretty sure of themselves, huh?
You know, Iused to wonder about the church that "put up with the Jezebel". I wonder if they even knew she WAS Jezebel....
Once again, I will go through all relationships and purge. They aren't going to use me to hurt the kingdom if I can help it. And bully on them if God wants to tell me something!
Thanks Russell. My heart still skips a beat when I see that name and think of my dear lost friend.
Leia
I'm not convinced that this is a vision for the Church but I do sense that this is more of a personal message for you.
Yes, that feels right to the soul.
[quote]The vision was ironing.[/quote]
## This is a daily chore concerning preparing our clothes (the garments that we wear). This chore first requires the washing of our clothes to make them clean and then ironing them to make them presentable without wrinkles.
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; but that it should be holy and without blemish or wrinkle.
Silly, me. Sounds easy when you say it. Yes, I see that.
## The iron speaks of the refining process that we go through in our preparation to be ready and presented when we meet the Lord.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
The "getting ready". OK. So far so good. Feels right to the soul.
## The Holy Spirit is represented by the glass of water which is poured into the iron which speaks of the Holy Spirit's enabling during this process.
John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.John
That feels right too.
## The cup of coffee to sip and keep you warm relates to fellowship.
Mt 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Agree. Feels like hitting the mark. The next part, however, I am confused...
1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
[quote]and immediately knocked the coffee over, spilling it onto the white shirt. [/quote]
Seeing that the cup represents fellowship, then this significant event where you spill coffee over your white shirt (robe of righteousness) concerns a fellowship that you are involved which is staining it.
Going by the symbolism within this vision, I would suggest that the fellowship that this vision is addressing is a spiritual or religous fellowship which is not of the Spirit of God rather than one to do with family or friends.
[quote]I typed: THE ONE WHO WILL DO THE DEED WILL NOT BE THE ONE THAT IS ANXIOUS.[/quote]
The one who will do the deed relates to those who you are having a spiritual or religous fellowship who are not of the Spirit of God and they will not be anxious about it or even hesitant.
In Him
Russell
I thought I had gotten RID of all of that!!!!! How far away do I have to move? Is it even possible? Lord, who could it be? It could be anyone. They never let you know until they want to. SEE? That's why I am almost a hermit. I witness to hundreds of people a week during tours (insidiously 'cause is public school kids)that come to this farm, I do what I can for the kingdom, and other than that I stay at home.
Lord I despise my background. Who would be trying to submarine me? But that feel right with my soul too. God reveals things and they hate it. They are giong to be the ones that kill the witnesses. If not by their own hands, by those they serve! And they are pretty sure of themselves, huh?
You know, Iused to wonder about the church that "put up with the Jezebel". I wonder if they even knew she WAS Jezebel....
Once again, I will go through all relationships and purge. They aren't going to use me to hurt the kingdom if I can help it. And bully on them if God wants to tell me something!
Thanks Russell. My heart still skips a beat when I see that name and think of my dear lost friend.
Leia
QUOTE(Traveller62_au @ Oct 29 2005, 05:36 AM)
Going by the symbolism within this vision, I would suggest that the fellowship that this vision is addressing is a spiritual or religous fellowship which is not of the Spirit of God rather than one to do with family or friends.
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Traveler,
This one....someone I worship with is not who they seem?
QUOTE(Leia @ Oct 30 2005, 03:35 AM)
QUOTE(Traveller62_au @ Oct 29 2005, 05:36 AM)
Going by the symbolism within this vision, I would suggest that the fellowship that this vision is addressing is a spiritual or religous fellowship which is not of the Spirit of God rather than one to do with family or friends.
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Traveler,
This one....someone I worship with is not who they seem?
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Not those you worship with but a different group of people that claim some spiritual foundation (or background) which is not of God's Spirit. Perhaps some kind of cultural affiliation or something along that line. I have known christian friends to get heavely involved with cultural groups regarding thier ancestry and not long after begin to be drawn away from the things of God. I live in Australia but my friends are from New Zealand and started to get involved with the Maori culture (which is spiritual but not of God's Spirit). Soon they began disagreeing with God's word in regards to what is evil and what is not.
In Him
Traveller
Southern Baptist is all I let in. But the pesky Masons are buzzing around again. Actually have been and I just found out he was working for me. No real danger of me accepting them. They may have had a good beginning, but that was a very long time ago. No going back, no going back (singing smiley face).
JW's? I occasionally use the books to look things up and compare the "all sides" thing. Maybe that is a warping danger.
Probably the mason/shriner group. Can one divorce their entire hsitory? I will pray about this. Thanks. Really. You have a real gift. A kinda.......out there sort of gift.....spooky things gift.....probably have to very grounded to fly that high.
Thanks again.
Leia
JW's? I occasionally use the books to look things up and compare the "all sides" thing. Maybe that is a warping danger.
Probably the mason/shriner group. Can one divorce their entire hsitory? I will pray about this. Thanks. Really. You have a real gift. A kinda.......out there sort of gift.....spooky things gift.....probably have to very grounded to fly that high.
Thanks again.
Leia
Leia..
do you know any muslims?
do you know any muslims?
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