Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Rapture!
Christian-Forum.net > Debates (NOT FOR THOSE EASILY OFFENDED!) > Evidence for the bible and creationism debates
Pages: 1, 2, 3
AGAPEaNg
QUOTE(C @ May 1 2007, 01:15 PM) [snapback]111035[/snapback]

QUOTE

That's the way l feel when you cause me to defend understanding by quoting scripture...things that are self explanatory to every believer like "nothing but the blood" It's what the entire Bible is about so how can l quote scripture?


A forum is a place full of believers from every walk of life. We have 500 000 people reading this forum per year ( I learned that in my Admin days.) We are responsible to bring the pure Word of God and nothing else. I have dealt with people that do not understand the blood and its power, so when you as a mature Christian post, it has to be with scripture so those who have little knowledge can learn.

I take a lot of time preparing a post. I use wwwblueletterbible.org and www. biblegateway.com , plus e-sword , so that I can look at what the Bible says. I highlight, bold and underline to point out what the scripture says about the subject we are discussing.
Only ONCE about a year ago, did somebody came back and corrected a mistake. I fear God and His Word. We cannot add or take away. I pray before I post and every morning ask for the help of the Holy Spirit. I care about WHAT I teach to the members of this forum, because I will be responsible before God one day.....so I make sure that when I post.............its in the Bible.

C

2 Corinthians - Chapter 3
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3 [Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
(the rest of the Chapter elaborates on this)
AGAPEaNg
[quote name='Miki' date='Apr 30 2007, 07:53 AM' post='110895']
You only think l'm not getting it...Misunderstanding of words causes a lot of division..
someones weeping....
[/quote]

[/quote]"I may not be able to pull scripture out of context to build my case like you do but the truth of understanding is in my heart. His name is Jesus. Christ in me... [-Miki]"

According to the Bible , you should avoid me, if this is true.
C[quote]
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

At church this past Sunday, our speaker elaborated on this. I've ready commentary about this scripture before, but he explained it differently. He specifically said, and I immediately felt recognition, that 3:5 is referring to those who deny Jesus Christ's ability to change hearts (2Cr 3:3) and simply debate WORDS. They deny Jesus Christ's power and what He did by focusing on side issues. Our speaker mentioned that if the debating doesn't remind us that Jesus Christ finished God's work for us on the cross (the power), it is JUST words and to be avoided. Those who are not Christians can debate the Bible, but they don't understand the meaning of a changed life of a person who has accepted and followed Jesus Christ. The testimoy of Jesus Christ is written on new hearts of Christians who have let Him lead them. If a life has not been changed, it is simply sophestry.
C
That is true.
The question I guess is: Is Jesus able to completely change, and set free....even unto perfection.Is He powerful enough or is the Bible just words.
I tend to say: He is powerful enough, although only a few seems to agree with me.
The majority shouts: Impossible.......not in this life.............cannot be..........not true

C
Humble Bob
C, maybe Christ has made you perfect now and that is why you are saying that you are now made perfect (I think that is what I am hearing from you huh.gif)

That's fine

My experience is that I fear God, so I proclaim my desire to be with Christ, that he be in me. Consequently, I am not concerned for this word 'perfect,' I am not worried at all about it. I don't know what it means at this point.

I do believe I am saved by the blood of the Lamb. That's important to me.

So whatever this perfection is, please declare it and shout from the roof tops about it. Say what you please, say it with conviction, believe it deeply, breath it deeply.

Maybe God will lift you higher for it.

Jesus made C perfect. That's wonderful! happy.gif
C
Maybe you should read my study slowly in the Bible Study section before you make such hasty commends , jesting about what Jesus did for us all.
I speak in love, because I believe that you would not be so , if you understood, so I forgive you.
C
Humble Bob
C, you're a good man. smile.gif


Miki
I do take time preparing my posts C... I do pray in tears...yes l do...

Agape my little chick! I'm so proud of you!
C
The Lord knows the heart .I am not here to accuse, nor to make you guys feel bad, or insecure.
I have but one objective and that everybody knows: I want people to read the Bible again, with a clear head. Not a mind that is dull , because we have been under teaching all these years and we believed all we heard.
Some of the arguments (that is left by members) in my thread on Perfection is what I am talking about. The reasoning is such to fit the mindset and not: Let me be changed by the renewing of my mind
Spirit is spirit and such is the Word.Yet, people use the reasoning of the mind to try and subdue the Word into our realm, but it will not because it cannot.

Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

Believe it or not, but I understand how difficult it is to first see some things in the Word.The teaching on perfection is very difficult to grasp at first. Its a little bit like trying to understand grace without works.Most people struggle a long time to know where grace starts and where works end.It takes the Holy Spirit wisdom to grasp it. The same with understanding the done works of the cross of Jesus and HOW to move into them. Its the same concept as: you are saved, but you are still being saved as well.

There is a difference between the perfection that is by faith and the perfection that is manifested in a life.But they are joined at the hip: we cannot get one without the other.

Miki I am sure that you pray before posting as well. (I did not write that to imply that you do not, only to say that I do)

Thanks HB, I know that you know that nobody is good smile.gif but I understand what you mean.
love C
Miki
There you go C...back to "The Lord knows the heart" The saying you criticized me for using! laugh.gif

Perfection isn't hard to understand. I can sum it up in one word...Jesus! tongue.gif

Ok...I won't keep this up any more because l know we can banter back and forth until the cows come home. (Gee no scripture for that one) I just have one more thing to save oops say..

When l turned my seeking over to God alone l was 29 years old...almost 30. God brought the most wonderful mentor across my path. I sing his praises still today for her.

After we established a relationship she moved back east so her husband could go to seminary. She faithfully wrote me with pages of encouragement. (no computer in those days) One thing that always stopped the flow for me was that she always interjected scripture every line or so. It broke up the reading of the Spirit as l read. I already believed it was from the Bible. I already believed God had sent her. It felt she was posting it to prove it was in the Bible.

Of course those lines and scripture, l was to understand later, where what was required of people who always argue and defend scripture..They have to constantly back up what they say. I just never had a problem believing...I knew God had sent her.

I do quote scripture. I was tempted to go back and cut and paste every post where l'd quoted scripture.
There would be probably thousands... blush.gif Nah...that's childish and so has this conversation become. I'm an adult and hear the way the Spirit works in me. I will try to add references more often if it pleases you C...but not to turn scripture into an arguing point and not for silly requests that tell me to prove the Bible says "nothing but the blood"

QUOTE
I have but one objective and that everybody knows: I want people to read the Bible again, with a clear head. Not a mind that is dull , because we have been under teaching all these years and we believed all we heard.


Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they don't read the Bible. I have a clear head and if my mind is dulled it's from the endless scriptural arguing. I'm not sure what the other half of the that sentence means but Teaching is one of the offices God has appointed and anointed. Learning to hear is part of the process of growing up in the Lord. So is discerning Spirit and flesh in anybodies writing.

I thank God for Shekel here because of the anointing on his words.. That anointing drew me in the first place. Not the fact that he quoted scripture and reference to prove his point. (But he's very good at that too.) It's just not what captured my attention. I'm not a scholar and have never pretended to be. I speak to a certain audience l guess. Everybody else can chime me out, which l'm sure they already have.

Again...I won't quote scripture just so it can be argued.

So...To sum it up! Nothing but the blood of Jesus! wub.gif blush.gif
C
So at the end it boils down to respecting the different parts of the body and their functions. You maybe the heart and I am a toe, but we are both needed and must respect that. God made me like this and you like you are.
I believe He is sovereign and allows us each to hear and see that which we must hear and see. I pray a lot for this forum that we all get to see all that we need to.
love you too
C
George
QUOTE(C @ May 2 2007, 05:04 AM) [snapback]111134[/snapback]

So at the end it boils down to respecting the different parts of the body and their functions. You maybe the heart and I am a toe, but we are both needed and must respect that. God made me like this and you like you are.
I believe He is sovereign and allows us each to hear and see that which we must hear and see. I pray a lot for this forum that we all get to see all that we need to.
love you too
C


This body has MS and the entire nervous system that sends the impulses to the different body parts has been Demyelinised. And if He sends Jonah to warn you and you don't listen? Then He sends Elijah to take away your supply and support? But you don't need to listen? You are already part of the body? God doesn't send messengers anymore?
111
QUOTE(signet @ Jan 10 2007, 11:21 PM) [snapback]98535[/snapback]

.........what is in my heart right now is this scripture:Luke 22:8-12

"And He sent Peter and John, saying, 'Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat."

"And they said unto him, 'Where wilt thou that we prepare?"

"And He said unto them, 'Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in."

"And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house. The Master saith unto thee, 'Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?"

"And he shall shew you a large, upper room furnished: there make ready".



May we see the man with the pitcher of water and follow him to
the upper room for the passover.


We are not looking for the undertaker but the Uppertaker laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Maranatha
finished here
It is not true that Yawah does not send messengers anymore.
Why then does He send preachers? With the Gospel message?

He can and will in time send messengers with reproof and has to from time to time.
111
QUOTE(Daniel Jackson @ Oct 21 2007, 08:06 AM) [snapback]125210[/snapback]

It is not true that Yawah does not send messengers anymore.
Why then does He send preachers? With the Gospel message?

He can and will in time send messengers with reproof and has to from time to time.


Yeshua is coming in the pretribulational rapture to take all born again Christians asap.
It is imminent. Those left behind will be the unsaved, those not born again, all haters among
unbelievers, false Christians who hate and condemn their brethren, all antisemites and Jew haters regardless of the intensity of their ideologies... and all accusers of the brethren including all those
with unscriptural divorces who will not repent, all those who use psychobabble and new age psychology
to undermine Christian websites and forums, all those who read and imbibe Harry Potter and all those'
who preach and profess false love.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; "

All these go into the Great Tribulation to either take the mark of AntiChrist or be martyred for their faith either through guillotine or other execution methods, or torture to extract confessions such as:

(not trying to be morbid ... even worse than this will happen)

1. root canal without anaesthetic along with nerve, tooth and / or gum extraction (not the tongue since needed for confession)
2, insertion of surgical probes to slowly stimulate ear canal nerves
3. slow disembowellment (as in Mel Gibson's [the antisemite] movie Braveheart
4. partial grinding up of the human body while alive (like in a large paper shredder) as Saddam did to his family members as others were forced to watch
5. rape of one's family before family members to extract confessions
6. some or all of the Nazi's torture techniques
7. some or all of the Jesuit-Dominican inquisition torture techniques
8. blinding of the eyes as was done to Samson
9. slow burning and / or roasting alive
10. electrocution of all body parts external and internal

If acceptance of the antiChrist occurs with taking of the mark (bar code, retinal code, subcutaneous chip or whatever) HELL and ETERNAL GEHENNA/LAKE OF FIRE after the Great White Throne Judgement will be the penalty:
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/thrown.htm
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/broad.htm
http://www.av1611.org/hell.html



http://www.hell.com/ one way in ............. no way out ........ ever....ever


Pray that ye may be worthy to escape these things
Luke 21:36 " Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Revelation 2:10 (King James Version)
10Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


Better believe in the pretribulational rapture. If not.... you will be severly tested.... why?

Jesus is coming for those who 'love His appearing'.........

"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."—II Tim. 4:8.
"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."—II Tim. 4:8.
"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."—II Tim. 4:8.


Why I Love Christ’s Appearing
By John Linton
(1888–1965)
"Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."—II Tim. 4:8.
There should be no need to ask a Christian why he should love Christ’s appearing.

Why should a child of three, who for many weeks has been thinking and dreaming of Christmas trees and Christmas gifts, be asked if he loves the coming Christmas?

Why should a schoolboy be asked if he loves the arrival of summer vacation?

Why should a bride, standing at the marriage altar waiting for her delayed bridegroom, be asked if she loves her bridegroom’s appearing?

Why should a faithful wife, awaiting the return of her long-absent husband, need to be asked if and why she longs for his coming?

Why should the church of Christ, which He calls His bride, not look for, long for and love the appearing of Christ, her Heavenly Bridegroom?

I am not a crank on prophecy. I preach more often on Christ’s first coming than on His second coming.

I live in a city where the second coming is seldom preached. I scan the church page and seldom see Christ’s coming announced as a sermon topic.

My text promises a special crown of reward for those who love Christ’s appearing. Many Christians will not receive this crown. They don’t know much about His second coming because they seldom hear a sermon on the subject and they don’t read the Bible to learn for themselves what it says about this wonderful event. Obviously, you can’t love an event if you know little or nothing about it.

I read a sermon recently on Matthew 24:44 where Jesus said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." This sermon, printed on the front page of a denominational publication, was a call to salvation for the reasons that death might strike suddenly, another world war might suddenly break out, or some sickness or disaster befall us. But concerning the at-any-moment coming of Christ, there was not one solitary word!

Read my text again for yourself and see that the crown our Lord promised is for those who love His coming, not for those who deliberately ignore it.

I will set forth several reasons why I personally love the second coming of Christ.

I love it because
I. God the Father Loves It

God so loves the coming again of His Son that He promises a special crown of reward to those who share this love with Him.

If you hear a man talking, talking, talking about fishing, then you know that he loves fishing. God must love the promised appearing of Christ when He has so much to say about it.

Almost one-fourth of the Bible is devoted to prophecy and the events connected with our Lord’s return.

We believe baptism is important. Paul spoke of it fourteen times, and of the second coming, fifty times.

We believe the new birth is important. The Bible speaks of it nine times, and of the second coming, 315 times. The God who inspired the writing of the New Testament led the writers to mention the second coming once in every twenty-five verses.

Some preachers say little or nothing about it, but God has filled the Bible with this glorious truth. If you are ever inclined to criticize those who make much of the second coming, you had better include God Himself in that criticized group!

I want to emphasize what God emphasizes. I want to love what God loves.

Dr. F. W. Farr, speaking on this subject, says, "We should be concerned with what God says rather than with what man thinks; and God must think a great deal of this truth, else He would not have so much to say about it in His Word."

I love it because
II. The Early Christians Loved His Appearing

They were "looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).

Paul tells us the Thessalonians were waiting for the Son from Heaven (I Thess. 1:10).

The last prayer in the Bible is the heart-cry of the apostolic church, "Even so, come, Lord Jesus." To this prayer I add, Amen!

For three centuries the hope of Christ’s coming burned brightly in the hearts of believers. Massillon tells us it was considered almost a heresy in the first three centuries not to be sighing for His return.

In later centuries this truth was neglected and almost forgotten, but in these latter days we have seen a revival of interest in the Lord’s return.

Jesus taught in the parable of the ten virgins that on the eve of His coming a cry would go ringing through the churches, "Behold, the bridegroom cometh": it seems we are living in the time of the midnight cry. Despite the general apathy on this subject, there is a great and growing multitude of God’s people who, like the early Christians, are looking for and praying for the coming of the Lord.

Moreover, I love it because
III. The Devil Hates It

Satan hates this truth and the mighty event it proclaims because it means his doom. When Christ comes, Satan’s head will be bruised.
"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more."—Rev. 20:1–3.
This mighty angel is the Devil’s jailer, and he gives him the longest prison sentence on record, and I hope it is with hard labor.

If the Devil had his way, Jesus would never come. He dreads the hour of his doom as it draws near.

Some professing Christians can hardly bear the mention of Christ’s coming. That’s how Satan feels. I want to love what Satan hates; don’t you?

Then too I love it because
IV. It Will Vindicate God’s Word

God’s ways are not man’s ways. Despite the many plain promises of what God will do and how He will do it, and because Bible prophecies do not coincide with what some men think God should do and how He should do it, these promises are either denied or explained away.

There are glorious promises of a literal, visible, bodily coming of Christ down to this earth. In our day this is being flatly denied by some who call themselves Christians. Said one attending a conference:

We chose "Christ, the hope of the world" as our theme…. When it comes to such things as the second coming, I am from Missouri. This coming again stuff is plain foolishness. How can a man with any intellectual honesty stoop to such nonsense?

At the same conference another liberal had this to say:

There is no warrant in the Scriptures for this doctrine which has plagued the church for nineteen centuries. When Paul in Thessalonians said that the Lord will descend from Heaven and the dead in Christ will rise first and shall be caught up with those who are left to meet the Lord in the air, he was just plain mistaken. As far as I am concerned, the writings of Paul do not belong in the Scriptures.

Such infidel vaporings are an exact fulfillment of the Scriptures predicting that "There shall come in the last days scoffers,…saying, Where is the promise of his coming?"

My friends, I am waiting for God’s promises to be fulfilled and fulfilled exactly as He said. The coming of Christ to resurrect and translate the believers, the Great Tribulation that will follow, the descent of Christ to this earth, the regathering and national conversion of Israel—every single prophecy will be fulfilled and God’s holy Word vindicated.

It will be so because God says so.
"I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure…yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it."—Isa. 46:9–11.
Of course He will do it, and exactly as He promised to do it. I believe that, and I can hardly wait to see this blessed Book vindicated in the presence of men who scorned it. The Bible will come into its own when Christ our Saviour appears.

But further, I love it because
V. It Is a Purifying Hope

John says, "And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure"

(I John 3:3). That is a natural result of belief in Christ’s at-any-moment coming. If to love the Lord’s appearing led to careless living, to coldness of heart toward God and the saving of men, one could understand why some Christians would not love it. But when this truth helps us live a separated life, gives earnestness to our prayers, urgency to our preaching, and keeps our passion for souls warm and alive, then I love this truth for its salutary effect and marvel that any other Christian would not as fervently love it.

Said Dr. R. A. Torrey, one of the world’s greatest evangelists:
The imminent return of our Lord is the great Bible argument for a pure, unselfish, devoted, unworldly, active life of service.
In much of our modern preaching we urge people to live holily and work diligently because death is swiftly coming. But that is never the Bible argument. The Bible argument always is, Christ is coming! Be ready when He comes!

This leads inevitably to the question, "What constitutes readiness for the coming of the Lord?" Answer: Separation from the world’s indulgence of the flesh, from the world’s immersion in the affairs of this life, and intense, daily earnestness in prayer—is the first part of preparation for the Lord’s return.

When I note that practically every great soul winner has been a lover of Christ’s at-any-moment coming, then I too, with them, want to love that event.

Dr. Munhall, an American evangelist who was used of God to add fifty thousand members to the Methodist church, and who all during his great ministry has preached Christ’s coming, said:
I have known personally every prominent evangelist in America, Great Britain and Ireland for the last fifty years, and every man of them, with possibly one single exception, was an ardent premillennialist.
D. L. Moody said:
I never preach a sermon without thinking that possibly the Lord might use that sermon to call out the last saint who should go to make up the full number of God’s elect, and so bring about the Lord’s coming.
Dr. Campbell Morgan said:
I never lay my head upon the pillow without thinking that maybe before the morning breaks, the final morning may have dawned. I never begin my work in the morning without thinking that perhaps He may interrupt my work and begin His own. We are not looking for death. We are looking for Him.
When someone put a tract into the hand of Dr. Torrey, he said:
As I read that tract, it brought the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ home to me in a way that was very real and personal, and it transformed the whole character of my life. It is transforming the lives of more men and women than almost any other doctrine I know of.
What is the secret back of the prodigious labors of Dr. Lee Roberson of Chattanooga? He himself has testified that a realization of the truth that Christ might return at any moment revolutionized his life and ministry.

I could multiply instances of the practical and purifying influence of this momentous truth. Dr. John Roach Straton, valiant defender of the Faith, once said:
I wish to give my own personal testimony that I did not overcome the habit of smoking until the truth of the return of our Lord came home clearly to my mind and heart. When I did thus believe that Jesus Christ is surely coming back to this world again, as He plainly promised, and that His coming for His church may be at any moment, I found grace to throw pipes and cigars away completely, never to take them up again. I did not want Jesus to come back and find me with a breath that was offensive, or presenting the sorry spectacle of a preacher with a pipe or cigar in the corner of his mouth.
Howard A. Banks tells of a man of the world who had found Christ. He had been in the daily habit of dropping into a saloon each noon for a glass of beer. He had thought no more of it than of drinking a glass of milk.

Entering the saloon one day and ordering his beer, the thought came to him: Suppose the Lord should come at this moment! He had lifted the glass, but before it reached his lips, he set it down again, paid for it, turned on his heel and left the saloon. For him, as for Dr. Straton, the blessed hope was a purifying hope.

I repeat: Any truth that makes men great soul winners and better Christians is a truth to be loved.

Yet again, I love it because
VI. It Ushers in the Glorious Kingdom Age

When Christ comes, He will establish on earth a kingdom of universal righteousness and will reign for one thousand years. This will be a different world with Christ present and the Devil absent.

For centuries men have prayed, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." Christ’s coming will be the answer to this prayer.

Universal righteousness will prevail, for we read, "The earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea" (Isa. 11:9).

Poverty and injustice will come to an end, for we read, "And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat" (Isa. 65:21,22).

This will be more like the kind of world God meant it to be. Who would not love the coming of such a day!

Then too I love it because
VII. It Will End All Wars

In the glorious Kingdom Age, wars will be abolished. It is the sin and greed of men that makes preparation for war necessary today. Nations have to defend themselves against international gangsters, murderers and aspirants to world domination.

But Christ’s coming will be the one great war that will end all wars. We read, "He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth" (Ps. 46:9). Isaiah tells us: "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more" (Isa. 2:4).

Oh, what a day that will be! No more war! No more military serv-ice! No more training our boys to kill! It is necessary now, but not when Jesus comes.

In World War I, according to Field Marshal Robertson, 37 million died. In World War II, the death toll was 22,500,000. Who can forget the daily lists through four or five agonizing years of those "Killed in Action"? Parents bereft of sons, wives bereft of husbands, children bereft of fathers.

Now it is nuclear war, ballistic missiles! No wonder men’s hearts are failing them for fear all over the earth. Thank God, the coming of the Prince of Peace will end all wars! How could any Chris-tian fail to love His appearing!

Finally, I love it because
VIII. It Is the Time of Resurrection, Translation and Reunion

Christ’s coming brings full redemption for the Christian. These bodies of ours, now mortal, must be made immortal. The dead bodies of the saints must be raised. This takes place in that glad moment when Christ comes in the air to take His people unto Himself.

This redemption of the body is that event for which the whole inanimate creation groans and waits (Rom. 8:22). Why would not we also long for it?

Paul describes this phase of our Lord’s coming in I Thessalonians 4:16,17:
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Think of it—"together with them"; and also "with the Lord." What a meeting that will be! Who would not long for the coming of that sublime hour!

For one thing, we shall meet our loved ones gone before us into the presence of the King. I am thrilled with the thought of meeting some of mine.

Then too we shall meet all the great and godly believers of past ages and have fellowship with them. To ask me if I love His coming is to ask me if I would like to meet personally all the great Bible characters of Old and New Testament times, together with every Spirit-filled man and woman who has adorned Christian history down through the centuries. What a noble host of martyrs, reformers, preachers and evangelists with whom we are to have fellowship! And you ask me why I long for the hour of that meeting!

Sure, I know there is work to do for God here and now, but love for His coming does not lead to idleness or careless living. That slander needs to be nailed to the counter. Look around you at the servants of God who most long for Christ’s coming; they are numbered among the greatest soul winners to be found anywhere.

But the best is yet to come, for there is this above all: we shall meet our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and actually look upon His face.

Here is where words fail us. For men and women who, during a whole lifetime, have walked and talked with Christ by faith in His absence, now to stand in His actual presence, to mark His features, and to have Him address them by name personally—that will be an experience no words of man can ever describe.

In that ecstatic moment, when His word of welcome to you is spoken and this special crown of reward is being given, I trust you will be one of those who receive it, because you loved His appearing.
http://www.swordofthelord.com/archives/Lov...;sAppearing.htm

He IS AT THE DOORS.... ASK FOR forgiveness from everyone, everyone you need to ask ............

BEHOLD I SHOW YOU A MYSTERY!
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Thes.4.16,17


CHRIST IS COMING!!

Matt.24.27
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


AS A THIEF .............................. IN THE NIGHT !

2Pet.3.10-12
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.




"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Behold, I have told you before.

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:

behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west;

so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Matt.24.23-27





Luke 21:28 "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. "





1 Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep."

We are ALIVE when He returns, and the dead in Christ will rise up before we ascend.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

Yet, this passage says the Lord will descend WITH A SHOUT! The sound of the Shofar ..... audible ONLY to the saved....................................

1 Thessalonians 4:17 "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

http://www.revelationillustrated.com/shop/images/rapture.jpg
http://www.his-amazing-love.org/images/rapture.jpg
http://tribulation.com/images/rapture.jpg
http://www.csonline.net/cwells/rapture.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/rapturerescueforce/Rapture.jpg
http://www.his-forever.com/rapture-graphic.jpg



FINAL CALL ........... BE READY

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/pla...ys/Rapture2.jpg



























happy2Bfree
Yes.....the tribulation period sounds like a horrible thing. I was watching Jack VanImpe the other night and he reported on the plan in May of 2008 that the government was planning to start putting the microchip into people.

But if the anti-christ was not reveiled at that point...then this would not be it.

I still would not want that chip. It could potentially be used as a tracking device for believers.

Good arguments have been made for pre and post trib. Although I tend to believe that we will go before the tribulation. But if we go through it....I would not want anything to be in my body that could be used to find where I am.

Only God knows for sure if someone is saved.

I'm thankful that His mercy and forgiveness is greater than what humans are capable of.

The wonderful thing is.....that when we make mistakes....He is always there ready to forgive and embrace us. What a mighty God and Savior.

I think that the great deception is happening. It feels like it is anyway.

Collegegirl

111
Benny, thank you for a crucial topic.

Those who stayed behind in Egypt and did not believe Moses were left behind.

Those who did not believe Noah and stayed behind were left behind.

Those who did not leave with Lot and stayed behind were left behind.

Those who do not truly believe in the pretribulation rapture will definitely be left behind because
in their hearts, they choose to. Why would they want to stay? Because they do not believe.

They will either be martyred or be subject to the greatest deception that will ever grip the world.

God has warned in many ways and daily is confirming this that
on a CLEAR SUNNY HAPPY FLUFFY-CLOUD FILLED DAY ... OR ... at a time when 'ye think not' ........
it shall happen ........ http://www.yeshuatyisrael.com/end1.htm ..... and then the cold, clammy, sweat of unbelief and the dryness mouth, shaking and wringing of hands will begin ........ we are the most 'warned' generation of all .... and still we would be left behind.

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...50b58eb7e0c6ccb
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...50b58eb7e0c6ccb



Isaiah 40:3 A VOICE is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.

Matthew 3:3 For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, "THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!'"

Mark 1:3 THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.'"

Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, "THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1t5gGQkKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1t5gGQkKs

' oh Jehovah my God and my Great Master, though they stone thy servant cause them to hear and heed
thy still small v o i c e , for the sake of thy Messah and love of my eternal life, Yahawashua-Jesus the Divine Moschiach, your Only Unique Son. '


http://ssvoice.com/index.html










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1t5gGQkKs
111


By Todd Strandberg


The master of all master plans is the need for every person in this world to find salvation in Jesus Christ. In Romans 6:23, this is written: "for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" (NKJV).

Unless our goals in life tie into the Kingdom of God, we’re not being productive with our time. Christian ministries seem to be doing everything today but saving souls. They tell people to how to live happy and fulfilled lives, but do little to prepare them for eternity.

Until someone comes to faith in Christ, he or she really doesn’t have a working plan. People may be pursuing a goal that temporarily allows them to have the world by the tail, but at the end of their lives, all their accomplishments will come to nothing.

At Rapture Ready, everything we do relates to the plan of salvation. Some of our articles may feature seemingly unrelated topics, but they all work together to lead people to Christ.

Rapture Ready Master Plan

Within the framework of the ultimate master plan, we have been working on an objective for the master plan for Rapture Ready. It involves a realization of what will happen as a result of the rapture. When the Lord Jesus comes to earth to remove the Church, I strongly believe the rapture will generate the greatest panic in human history.

Unlike other events in the past, the world will instantly realize the danger it is in. When the Great Flood occurred, most people just thought it was an unusual rain event. They didn’t realize their predicament until their lives were in peril. The supernatural nature of the rapture will present a crystal clear message.

The intense need for information will cause millions of people to turn to the internet for answers. Because Rapture Ready is so closely related to the subject, a huge number of people will find their way to this domain. Currently, only about 0.00115% of global internet users visit our site. I would not be surprised if 20 percent of the post-rapture population eventually reads an article from RR. The only limitation will be the ability of servers hosting RR to distribute data to the eager public.

You folks who happen to read this page ahead of the blessed hope are part of a very unique group of people. The vast majority of site’s visitors will come in the post-rapture world. This is why we have made it our master plan to address the needs of those left behind.

Future Focus

When Rapture Ready started out in 1987, it had a capacity of 500,000 bytes of information for a whole month. Today, we often send out 5 billion bytes of data in a single day. Our total monthly capacity is now over 4 trillion bytes of data.

Another big change has been the number of people who can access the site. In the 1980s, only a handful of people were connected to the internet. Today, web access has gone from being a novelty to a common necessity equal to phones and TV. The web has reached some of the poorest nations on earth. Someone living in India can go to a cyber club and use a computer to view our site.

My first modem could download data at a rate of 1200 baud. A consortium has just finished a network that can transmit data at 100 million bytes per second. The rate of progress mankind has made in the past 20 years likely will continue for many years. With there being no limitation on how fast computers can become, any connectivity goal will eventually be reached.

We at Rapture Ready have been relying heavily on the growth of net capacity. Our hope is that someday the web will become so powerful that a single server could instantly transmit data to the total global population. The search company Google has made it possible for vast numbers of people who understand its cache feature to access the content on RR. Google has vast data centers around the world that store a record of all websites. A person could just click on the “cached” link in search result for “Rapture Ready” and find a stored version of the site.

We’re still looking forward to the advance that will come in the future. We are satisfied that if the rapture were to happen now, tens of millions of people would be able to draw upon RR as a resource of biblical knowledge.

Flying Under the Radar

The time we have here on earth is very brief. Nothing here should be considered more important than goals related to eternity. Unfortunately, the Church has a chronic problem with its priorities. The carnal concerns of this world have crowded out the necessities that pertain to the age to come.

Christian organizations take in hundreds of millions of dollars each year, and yet they have almost zero impact on the world. Some ministries tell people the Lord Jesus is coming soon, and then make financial plans as if God’s return is for some other generation. Rapture Ready is solidly based on the idea that the tribulation hour is near.

The fact that we have a much larger web footprint than several well-known ministries put together is proof that our commitment is not just in words. We have been so active in producing content for the public that we have become one of the internet's best-kept secrets. I’m sure Satan is aware of our endless productivity. If you do a search for an article that attacks his kingdom, you will find many are hosted on this site.

For right now, Rapture Ready is flying under the radar of public attention. When the rapture occurs, millions of people will realize they’ve made a terrible mistake and will wish they had discovered this domain many years beforehand.

Now That We Have Your Full Attention

Rapture Ready ranks as the most popular prophetic site, but I have no delusions about how shallow the level of interest can be for most visitors. Over the years, I have noticed that our traffic tends to rise and fall based on world events. If something of prophetic nature happens in the Middle East, people will flock to RR. The lack of activity causes their interest to wane.

On an average day, 67 percent of the people who visit RR spend less than 30 seconds on the site. The folks who spend more than an hour on RR only amount to 2.5 percent. After the rapture transpires, I have no doubt that our visitor duration rate will dramatically improve. Many people will download whole sections of the site to study in great detail. I can only speculate how wide a reach the site will have in the aftermath of the rapture. What will add to the site’s usefulness as a witnessing tool is the undivided attention it will have from terror-struck people.

The tribulation will be a time when people will be forced to make urgent decisions about their eternal destiny. You will either choose Satan or God. Because it will also be a life and death decision for most individuals, RR will be a vital instrument in helping untold numbers of people make the right choice.

Your Role in the Master Plan

In the days that follow the rapture, end-time knowledge will instantly become a very important commodity. There will be no experienced ministers sharing the truth. Everyone will be lost or in desperate need of the truth. Finding good resource material will be no small task. At any given moment, only a few thousand copies of any book, video, or tape is available for sale to the public. It would take years to print millions of copies of a book. I seriously doubt that authorities will stand by and allow the mass printing of prophecy books to take place.

The internet is the only logical way of disseminating large amounts of information to millions of people in a short period of time. Someone could bundle up the whole RR site into a zip file and within minutes send it to friends all over the country.

I fully realize that many people who read this article will be on the wrong side of the rapture. This is where you have the opportunity to fit into the Master Plan. In fact, you can consider yourself deputized as ambassadors for Christ. Terry and I will be gone in the rapture, so there will be nothing more we can do to promote the end-time message. You don’t need to pick up where we left off by adding new content to the site. There should be enough material on the site to lead people to the truth. Your mission will be to share these articles with as many people as possible. You can do so by creating mirror websites of RR. You can also save the site onto CDs, DVDs or thumbdrives. Or, you can send people the content via email attachments.

The most import thing is to keep the Good News flowing. The Bible says the last days will be a period when it will be very difficult to hear the Word of God: “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD” (Amos 8:1).

http://raptureready.com/rr-masterplan.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT55OZNEnz0...ted&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD_6-e48Sto...ted&search=
C
IPB Image

I am definitely not going before the tribulation. There is much to be done here and according to the Bible there is a great harvest that must come in. I wish you all well and enjoy your flight.
love C
duncdrewnoah
QUOTE(voice @ Oct 21 2007, 03:31 PM) [snapback]125267[/snapback]

Benny, thank you for a crucial topic.

Those who stayed behind in Egypt and did not believe Moses were left behind.

Those who did not believe Noah and stayed behind were left behind.

Those who did not leave with Lot and stayed behind were left behind.

Those who do not truly believe in the pretribulation rapture will definitely be left behind because
in their hearts, they choose to. Why would they want to stay? Because they do not believe.

They will either be martyred or be subject to the greatest deception that will ever grip the world.

God has warned in many ways and daily is confirming this that
on a CLEAR SUNNY HAPPY FLUFFY-CLOUD FILLED DAY ... OR ... at a time when 'ye think not' ........
it shall happen ........ http://www.yeshuatyisrael.com/end1.htm ..... and then the cold, clammy, sweat of unbelief and the dryness mouth, shaking and wringing of hands will begin ........ we are the most 'warned' generation of all .... and still we would be left behind.

http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...50b58eb7e0c6ccb
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?view...50b58eb7e0c6ccb



Isaiah 40:3 A VOICE is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.

Matthew 3:3 For this is the one referred to by Isaiah the prophet when he said, "THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT!'"

Mark 1:3 THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.'"

Luke 3:4 as it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, "THE VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, 'MAKE READY THE WAY OF THE LORD, MAKE HIS PATHS STRAIGHT.






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1t5gGQkKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1t5gGQkKs

' oh Jehovah my God and my Great Master, though they stone thy servant cause them to hear and heed
thy still small v o i c e , for the sake of thy Messah and love of my eternal life, Yahawashua-Jesus the Divine Moschiach, your Only Unique Son. '


http://ssvoice.com/index.html










http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG1t5gGQkKs


i disagree with the thought that one who doesnt believe in a pre trib rapture will be left behind....i do think the rapture is pre trib but if someone thinks it is mid or post, they can still be saved and think that...they would just be wrong if it happend pretrib...i dont like it when those that are post trib say 'if you believe in pretrib you arent really saved" thats dumb...so is saying, "if you are post trib you are doomed to hell"...it is just a doctrinal belief....just like how you think one should be baptized....sprinkle, or submersion...I think Jesus has one way he would have it but if you do it the other way, you are not doomed, just wrong...you can be saved and think different things about the rapture...pre. mid. post. none at all etc...but a lot of born again Christians will just be wrong about the timing
happy2Bfree
Luke 7:37-50 (ESV)

37 And behold, a woman of the city, who was a sinner, when she learned that he was reclining at table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of ointment,
38 and standing behind him at his feet, weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head and kissed his feet and anointed them with the ointment.
39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.”
40 And Jesus answering said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he answered, “Say it, Teacher.”
41 “A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty.
42 When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?”
43 Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.”
44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet.
46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment.
47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.”
48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among? themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?”
50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Shekel
QUOTE
i disagree with the thought that one who doesnt believe in a pre trib rapture will be left behind....i do think the rapture is pre trib but if someone thinks it is mid or post, they can still be saved and think that...they would just be wrong if it happend pretrib...i dont like it when those that are post trib say 'if you believe in pretrib you arent really saved" thats dumb...so is saying, "if you are post trib you are doomed to hell"...it is just a doctrinal belief....just like how you think one should be baptized....sprinkle, or submersion...I think Jesus has one way he would have it but if you do it the other way, you are not doomed, just wrong...you can be saved and think different things about the rapture...pre. mid. post. none at all etc...but a lot of born again Christians will just be wrong about the timing


I couldn't agree with you more! 1dsz5h2.gif
C
QUOTE(Shekel @ Oct 22 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]125372[/snapback]

QUOTE
i disagree with the thought that one who doesnt believe in a pre trib rapture will be left behind....i do think the rapture is pre trib but if someone thinks it is mid or post, they can still be saved and think that...they would just be wrong if it happend pretrib...i dont like it when those that are post trib say 'if you believe in pretrib you arent really saved" thats dumb...so is saying, "if you are post trib you are doomed to hell"...it is just a doctrinal belief....just like how you think one should be baptized....sprinkle, or submersion...I think Jesus has one way he would have it but if you do it the other way, you are not doomed, just wrong...you can be saved and think different things about the rapture...pre. mid. post. none at all etc...but a lot of born again Christians will just be wrong about the timing


I couldn't agree with you more! 1dsz5h2.gif



Yes I agree with you as well. I was just thinking coming home today, that we all disagree on some issues, but you all are still my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I will never break fellowship with you because we disagree. I might get annoyed, like we all do sometimes, but that is natural when we find that people are not "getting it" or they are not seeing it my way (or your way) biggrin.gif

I have not broken fellowship with anybody here as well. I have walked out of the formal "church" but I still see them and we still talk and hug and laugh together. I am not angry with them. The body of Christ is still the church and I walk with them and you every day.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Oh so we still have some distance to go biggrin.gif but God says that we WILL attain to it some day.

111
QUOTE(C @ Oct 22 2007, 11:13 AM) [snapback]125389[/snapback]

QUOTE(Shekel @ Oct 22 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]125372[/snapback]

QUOTE
i disagree with the thought that one who doesnt believe in a pre trib rapture will be left behind....i do think the rapture is pre trib but if someone thinks it is mid or post, they can still be saved and think that...they would just be wrong if it happend pretrib...i dont like it when those that are post trib say 'if you believe in pretrib you arent really saved" thats dumb...so is saying, "if you are post trib you are doomed to hell"...it is just a doctrinal belief....just like how you think one should be baptized....sprinkle, or submersion...I think Jesus has one way he would have it but if you do it the other way, you are not doomed, just wrong...you can be saved and think different things about the rapture...pre. mid. post. none at all etc...but a lot of born again Christians will just be wrong about the timing


I couldn't agree with you more! 1dsz5h2.gif



Yes I agree with you as well. I was just thinking coming home today, that we all disagree on some issues, but you all are still my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I will never break fellowship with you because we disagree. I might get annoyed, like we all do sometimes, but that is natural when we find that people are not "getting it" or they are not seeing it my way (or your way) biggrin.gif

I have not broken fellowship with anybody here as well. I have walked out of the formal "church" but I still see them and we still talk and hug and laugh together. I am not angry with them. The body of Christ is still the church and I walk with them and you every day.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Oh so we still have some distance to go biggrin.gif but God says that we WILL attain to it some day.


-quote-
"]i disagree with the thought that one who doesnt believe in a pre trib rapture will be left behind....i do think the rapture is pre trib but if someone thinks it is mid or post, they can still be saved "

I agree with you too mellow.gif if someone does not agree with the pretrib. rap. and they are saved then they will be happy to go through the tribulation . If someone is mid or post. trib. rap. then they will be happy to stay here for 3 or 7 years. The Lord just might give them their wish ... otherwise, why look for his coming mid. trib. or post trib. which is redundant. Why rapture them against their will? Look at Noah's flood, the Exodus from Egypt and Sodom and Gomorrah ... those who left, wanted to and those who really didn't want to were destroyed ... 'remember Lot's wife' who turned around because she missed leaving 'something'. Dathan and his crew were eventually BBQed with their families. Careful what you wish for ... you may get it when you least 'expect' it... sleep.gif .... if God decides to take them, great ... but 'now we see in part' ... he just might leave them. If there is a pre-trib. and it's obvious, then not to believe it would be 'sin' .... well, we'll see what happens ... happy.gif ... as they say, 'timing, is everything'. Best to just get in the ark, go through the sea, walk with the angels out of town ..... because it happens in the twinkling of an eye ( 1/10,000 of a sec.)

The rapture will be the ultimate breaking of 'fellowship' ... in a way.
We have some 'distance' to go ....... how far now? ..... not ... very .... far.....now....it's the last of the last days.

As for antisemites, adulterers, adultresses, pretenders....... lake of fire. 1dsz5f1.gif

King James Bible
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

Time to ask forgiveness, repent and do the first works. He's coming. I can hear His footsteps and His Horse is snorting and pawing the 'air'. ohmy.gif




taltimbr
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 15 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]109450[/snapback]

There are always naysayers. They sow doubt and tell us what rotten people we are...Like the blood of Christ means nothing and we will have to be whipped and purged through the tribulation to be ready for Christ. But l was ready when l said yes and turned my life around to follow him. My imperfections are covered by the blood he shed on the cross. When he comes to receive me unto himself he will find me looking up and waiting..Then in a moment and in the twinkling of an eye l will be changed...caught up to meet him in the clouds...so shall l ever be with him.

There are always naysayers. They sow doubt and tell us what a rotten nation we have..Like the blood of the martyrs means they must have needed a good solid purging to be worthy of Christ.. The Christians of this nation and and others scattered through out the world along with certain Jacobs are being used by God to hold back the tide of evil in these last days so the Word of Salvation (not works) can preached through out the whole world for a witness and then the end will come.

All the conspiracy theorists do is sow doubt and discouragement. They want to make you hang your head in shame like some how you aren't worthy enough by the blood of Jesus and that you are a fanatical fantasizer who sits around eating chips while peeking at the sky during the commercials with TV clicker in hand.

No matter what you tell them or how you try to defend yourself they will tell you it's not enough. "Where are the miracles if you truly are the Sons of God?" they ask... "We're getting ready by developing the gifts in us to prove to the world we are the true Sons of God. We will be like the most high God and these gifts we've developed will propel us through the tribulation unscathed. This will be our unveiling!"

I'm sorry...but that makes me depressed. Jesus protects for and with salvation by his blood alone and not the gifts we've honed like some sorcerer. Maybe l seem harsh this morning but sometimes l feel harsh when defending the faith.. so I'll sing instead...And if you want to sing along go here. It'll perk you up! smile.gif
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/r/aruwashd.htm

Words & Mu­sic: Eli­sha A. Hoff­man, Spir­it­u­al Songs for Gos­pel Meet­ings and the Sun­day School (Cleve­land, Ohio: Bark­er & Smell­ie, 1878)

IPB Image

"Are You Washed In The Blood?"

Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Lay aside your garments that are stained with sin
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb.
There's a fountain flowing for the soul unclean.
O, be washed in the blood of the Lamb!
Rev. 7:14



rolleyes.gif The Holy scripture tells us we are all born into a world of sin, guilty of the original sin
in the garden. Thru one man came sin, and death and thru one God man came foregivness thru
the shed blood of Christ on the cross at Calvary. Praise be is mighty name, even Jesus our Lord.
This death in the garden was not only an eventual body death but also more importantly a
spiritual death. We became separated from God Almighty spiritually.
This is why Jesus told us that everyone must be born again, born of the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit.
When one asks Jesus for foregivness and repents of sin, then they are foregiven by the atoning
blood of Christ shed on the cross.
Jesus died and arose again for the sins of everyone in the world, yea those who would trust and
call on the name of the Lord.
Jesus fulfilled the Law which convicted us of our sin. The Law now has no penalty to those in
Christ. The commandments are a sign of our imperfection and lead us to our only Saviour the
Lord Christ Jesus himself. Some still want to live under the law and the penalty thereof, the
very Law the Jesus died to free us from.
Jesus will return for his believers, yea even the body of Christ Almighty. Jesus is the Head of
all believers and will appear in the air before the seven year tribulation period begins. Those
who claim that believers are going thru the great tribulation are wrong. They look for the
anti christ and false prophet and Satan himself who will enter the body of the anti christ, half
way thru the tribulation.
We as believers look upward for our deliverer. The apostle Paul told the early church of the
appearing of the Lord and the catching away of the Saints, both dead and alive.
Praise be to God Almighty, even Jesus our Lord.. even so come quickly Lord Jesus. Amen.

rolleyes.gif Thunder
happy2Bfree
QUOTE
As for antisemites, adulterers, adultresses, pretenders....... lake of fire.


I agree in that those who do not repent will pay an eternal price for it. But we must have compassion and show the love of Yeshua to the lost world.

Yeshua tended to embrace and welcome those who were sinners who reached out to Him when others all around would have tossed them away.

God bless you.

wub.gif

Collegegirl
Shekel
Whether the rapture is before, mid, or after the tribulation does not mean that the motives for believing one or the other is suspect.

We should leave that kind of rhetoric behind and stick to the scriptures because it is unprofitable and unchristian to argue ones position that way.
jhamner
Amen, C.

Amen, Shekel.

wub.gif
111
Thank Jesus for His Word.
1dsz5e4.gif
Hell Is NOT:
This present life, a myth, real only if you believe it exists, a figment of one's imagination, a place where you will party with your friends, the grave, or just for people like Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler, bank robbers or murderers.

Who will be thrown into this ETERNAL FIRE?

Those who do not have their names listed in the book of life (Rev. 20:15).
The cowardly, unbelieving, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, adulterers, antisemites and racists of every type, idolaters, liars, adultresses. fornicators, male prostitutes, homosexual offenders, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, slanderers, and swindlers (Rev. 21:8; 1 Cor. 6:9,10). See also Gal. 5:19-21.
Those who didn't forgive others who sinned against them (Mt. 6:14,15; 18:22-35).
Those who begin with Jesus, but don't remain in Him because they afterwards believed and accepted a wrong plan of salvation (1 Jn. 2:24,25; 2 Jn. 9; Gal. 5:2,4; 1 Cor. 15:1,2).
Those who don't produce fruit (Mt. 25:14-46; Jn. 15:5,6), endure to the end (Mt. 10:22 cf. Jn. 6:66) or don't continue to believe, but "fall away" in time of TESTING (Lk. 8:13 cf. Mt. 13:21). [Persecution, in one form or another, is a TEST that comes to ALL godly people (2 Tim. 3:12; Lk. 6:22; Jn. 15:20).]
All who receive the mark of the beast and worship his image during the time of the Antichrist, which includes former Christians who do NOT patiently endure and remain faithful to Jesus (Rev. 14:9-12; 13:8-10).
Everything that causes sin and ALL who do evil (Mt. 13:41,42).
All who are self-seeking, reject the truth and follow evil (Rom. 2:8).

To Get Forgiven and Escape ETERNAL TORMENT:
Turn from your sins and place ALL 100% of your TRUST in Jesus Christ for your soul's salvation (Lk. 13:3,5; Acts 20:21; 26:20). Strive always to keep a clear conscience (Acts 24:16). Follow Him unashamedly in this wicked age (Mk. 8:38). "We have come to share in Christ IF we hold firmly TILL THE END the confidence we had at first" (Heb. 3:14). Shut the TV off, read and reread the New Testament adjusting your behavior and values accordingly. Believe the Bible over anything you have been taught! The Bible is FINAL AUTHORITY and COMPLETELY SUFFICIENT for all that God wants you to know, including salvation (2 Tim. 3:15-17). Your ETERNAL DESTINY in heaven or hell hinges on what you do with the message of the Bible. People in Hell right now would give anything for the chance that you have at this moment to get saved. Don't let this chance slip by! Prepare for your death TODAY. Tomorrow may be too late. Ask Jesus now for forgiveness and wholeheartedly follow Him until your death or the rapture.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY Savior, Mediator, Hope and Way to the Father. If you reject Him or turn away from Him to follow Him no more, you surely won't escape Hell. If you were once saved but turned your back on God, repent and reverse your "lost" condition (Lk. 15:24,32). You CANNOT be saved from eternal fire by church membership, Lodge membership, being a "good person," water baptism, Saturday Sabbath keeping, the Ten Commandments, Mary, etc. The BIBLE ALONE is God's Word -- not Sacred Tradition, the Book of Mormon, Koran, Bhagavad-Gita, Avesta, Angas, etc. There is NO reincarnation, Purgatory, second chance, annihilation of the wicked or soul sleep.

Forsake Your Sins -- TRUST CHRIST Today! The Rapture is so imminent.

Praise the Lord for those who are our brethren in Christ Jesus and are washed whitel
Shekel
Amen!
111
QUOTE(taltimbr @ Oct 22 2007, 12:29 PM) [snapback]125400[/snapback]

QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 15 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]109450[/snapback]

There are always naysayers. They sow doubt and tell us what rotten people we are...Like the blood of Christ means nothing and we will have to be whipped and purged through the tribulation to be ready for Christ. But l was ready when l said yes and turned my life around to follow him. My imperfections are covered by the blood he shed on the cross. When he comes to receive me unto himself he will find me looking up and waiting..Then in a moment and in the twinkling of an eye l will be changed...caught up to meet him in the clouds...so shall l ever be with him.

There are always naysayers. They sow doubt and tell us what a rotten nation we have..Like the blood of the martyrs means they must have needed a good solid purging to be worthy of Christ.. The Christians of this nation and and others scattered through out the world along with certain Jacobs are being used by God to hold back the tide of evil in these last days so the Word of Salvation (not works) can preached through out the whole world for a witness and then the end will come.

All the conspiracy theorists do is sow doubt and discouragement. They want to make you hang your head in shame like some how you aren't worthy enough by the blood of Jesus and that you are a fanatical fantasizer who sits around eating chips while peeking at the sky during the commercials with TV clicker in hand.

No matter what you tell them or how you try to defend yourself they will tell you it's not enough. "Where are the miracles if you truly are the Sons of God?" they ask... "We're getting ready by developing the gifts in us to prove to the world we are the true Sons of God. We will be like the most high God and these gifts we've developed will propel us through the tribulation unscathed. This will be our unveiling!"

I'm sorry...but that makes me depressed. Jesus protects for and with salvation by his blood alone and not the gifts we've honed like some sorcerer. Maybe l seem harsh this morning but sometimes l feel harsh when defending the faith.. so I'll sing instead...And if you want to sing along go here. It'll perk you up! smile.gif
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/r/aruwashd.htm

Words & Mu­sic: Eli­sha A. Hoff­man, Spir­it­u­al Songs for Gos­pel Meet­ings and the Sun­day School (Cleve­land, Ohio: Bark­er & Smell­ie, 1878)

IPB Image

"Are You Washed In The Blood?"

Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?
Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Are you washed in the blood,
In the soul-cleansing blood of the Lamb?
Are your garments spotless are they white as snow?
Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?

Lay aside your garments that are stained with sin
And be washed in the blood of the Lamb.
There's a fountain flowing for the soul unclean.
O, be washed in the blood of the Lamb!
Rev. 7:14



rolleyes.gif The Holy scripture tells us we are all born into a world of sin, guilty of the original sin
in the garden. Thru one man came sin, and death and thru one God man came foregivness thru
the shed blood of Christ on the cross at Calvary. Praise be is mighty name, even Jesus our Lord.
This death in the garden was not only an eventual body death but also more importantly a
spiritual death. We became separated from God Almighty spiritually.
This is why Jesus told us that everyone must be born again, born of the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit.
When one asks Jesus for foregivness and repents of sin, then they are foregiven by the atoning
blood of Christ shed on the cross.
Jesus died and arose again for the sins of everyone in the world, yea those who would trust and
call on the name of the Lord.
Jesus fulfilled the Law which convicted us of our sin. The Law now has no penalty to those in
Christ. The commandments are a sign of our imperfection and lead us to our only Saviour the
Lord Christ Jesus himself. Some still want to live under the law and the penalty thereof, the
very Law the Jesus died to free us from.
Jesus will return for his believers, yea even the body of Christ Almighty. Jesus is the Head of
all believers and will appear in the air before the seven year tribulation period begins. Those
who claim that believers are going thru the great tribulation are wrong. They look for the
anti christ and false prophet and Satan himself who will enter the body of the anti christ, half
way thru the tribulation.
We as believers look upward for our deliverer. The apostle Paul told the early church of the
appearing of the Lord and the catching away of the Saints, both dead and alive.
Praise be to God Almighty, even Jesus our Lord.. even so come quickly Lord Jesus. Amen.

rolleyes.gif Thunder

Amen Miki and Thunder (inspiring post) keep looking up for our redemption draws closer
benny balerio
I clicked onto Voice's post under the topic called "Rapture"...strangely enough it went straight to "Miki's post....on April 15th......And I thought to myself to repost her topic.......only to find out that voice had already posted it..........................................benny cool.gif
111

James 4:14, “Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.”


http://www.waltontribune.com/story.lasso?e...dba9d8260fcabd3

Churches provide holy Halloween

By Robbie Schwartz
The Walton Tribune

Published October 21, 2007

WALTON COUNTY — As the time of ghosts and goblins arrives, two local churches are presenting alternatives to the traditional Halloween motifs.

A visit to Summit Baptist Church in Loganville on any normal day would include warm greetings. But through next weekend, angelic faces and praise music have been replaced by encounters of demons and visions of the apocalypse.

“Omega Trail is about the rapture and what will happen afterwards, following — for the most part — the book of Revelation,” said Pansy Drobny, who has been organizing the event for all three years. “It’s not really designed to scare people, but it is designed to show people if they are left behind during the rapture there will be a scary reality.”

“Omega Trail” is a look into a possible future, a 45-minute walking trail which takes people from depictions of everyday life to scenes of chaos, empty graveyards and the battle of good versus evil in scenes of modern day depictions of what life may look like if Jesus returned today.

With a cast of more than 100, organizers aim to show how leading a good life does not guarantee a happy ending, but rather it is a relationship with Jesus, a relationship those at Summit Baptist hope is renewed and strengthened in the face of their drama of the end of times.

“Every year it changes a little and we try to improve on it,” Pansy said. “If one soul receives Christ, it will be worth it all.”

The trail draws more than 1,200 visitors each year, some from as far away as Buford and Hall and Paulding counties.

Some sights are intense and the trail is not recommended for children under the age of 12.

While Omega Trail looks toward Armageddon, Faith Baptist Church’s “Judgement House” focuses more the impact of choices made today. Drawing more than 2,500 people from as far away as Americus and Columbus, “Judgement House” is a walk-through drama centered on a pair of teenage siblings whose father is a violent alcoholic.

Their trials and tribulations come to a halt when they are killed by a drunk driver, and the scenes follow with how the father seeks a second chance from God — a call too late — and the different paths the brother and sister follow because of their relationship with Jesus.

“We hope this is an opportunity to come to a place, have some entertainment that is family oriented and also in a very subtle way present the gospel,” Pastor Chris Conner said. “It is intense but not so scary. The big thing is presenting the gospel so people come to think about life and planning not just for tomorrow but for eternity.”

Both play on James 4:14, “Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.”

Reservations are recommended for those interested in attending either religious show.

For more information on the “Omega Trail” visit www.thesummitchurch.com or call 678-372-3406.

For more information on “Judgement House” call 770-267-6605 or visit www.faithmonroe.org.

James 4:14, “Yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.”
California Dreamin
Want to hear something cool that happened to me a week ago? Well my son and I went downtown to Old Sacramento. We walked into this store and I found this really pretty pearl rosary. I was wearing a pearl necklace, bracelet and earrings at the time so it went with the look perfectly. Well I took my rosary home and a couple of nights later I saw myself holding onto the rosary, praying and repenting of my sins...and then I saw myself being lifted up in the air going to Heaven. I cannot tell you how real this was that I could actually feel what it would be like to be raptured. It was very, very exciting and I can remember feeling overwhelming rejoicing. It was unlike anything.

Let us all pray together on Halloween and not celebrate it this year. All of us on this website, let us be faithful and together call for the Father to send the Son to take us home!
happy2Bfree
That was so awesome to read California Dreamin.

By the way....I love your sn.

I love the song by the Momma and Pappas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtVIhDgo_uU

I love California. When I lived there....I spent as much of my free time on the beach.

Great dream. I had one similar years ago.

Collegegirl
111
QUOTE(California Dreamin @ Oct 24 2007, 12:49 AM) [snapback]125756[/snapback]

Want to hear something cool that happened to me a week ago? Well my son and I went downtown to Old Sacramento. We walked into this store and I found this really pretty pearl rosary. I was wearing a pearl necklace, bracelet and earrings at the time so it went with the look perfectly. Well I took my rosary home and a couple of nights later I saw myself holding onto the rosary, praying and repenting of my sins...and then I saw myself being lifted up in the air going to Heaven. I cannot tell you how real this was that I could actually feel what it would be like to be raptured. It was very, very exciting and I can remember feeling overwhelming rejoicing. It was unlike anything.

Let us all pray together on Halloween and not celebrate it this year. All of us on this website, let us be faithful and together call for the Father to send the Son to take us home!

very nice post except for one part- the rosary beads-you should either destroy them or discard them

http://www.newsfinder.org/site/more/prayer_beads/
http://www.getreligion.org/?p=2344

http://www.evaldon.com/christian/RENOUNCE.html
California Dreamin
I won't throw those rosary beads away. They are special to me about my dream of the rapture. They have a picture of the Lord on them and I sit them in my room to be reminded to be righteous. Besides, my neighbors across the street are Catholic and I have been praying for their salvation. :-) They have been so sweet in watching my house everyday and seeing what is going on in the neighborhood. I recently went over to their house and gave them some VHS movies about the rapture: Megido and Left Behind. I am very sentimental, so anything that the Lord shows me about dreams, times, patterns or signs, I want to have something to remind me of it. Kind of silly, but that is all it means to me, not the item or sign itself. wacko.gif
Superfundy
QUOTE(excubitor @ Jan 10 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]98498[/snapback]

Friends,

Beware the device used by this author which benny has cut and paste into his post.
The author seeks to convince us that the pretrib rapture theory existed before 1820. In convincing you of this he anticipates that you will then believe that the pre-trib view is true.

So what if the pretrib rapture was taught prior to 1820. All manner of false doctrine has been taught from the days of the early church as was warned by Peter.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; [1] by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Jeffries is double tongued. He starts off by lauding Sola Scripture and then goes ahead and to appeal to the traditions of what Jeffries calls the "remnants of the faithful".

If his pre-trib view is correct then he should be content with Sola Scripture and not feel that he needs to legitimise his belief with quotations from unknown men from long ago.


-Amen.

Check out the truth:
http://www.geocities.com/lasttrumpet_2000/...ne/jeffrey.html

When one actually READS these early church writings which Mr. Jeffereys cuts apart, one gets rather PO'd about it actually.

They were exclusively post trib. But check it out for yourself.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2009 Invision Power Services, Inc.