and verify scripture?
whether it's on this forum or in conversation?

do you sit by your PC and crack the bible open to verify what someone posted?

I can honestly say I do.
I don't call a friend nor my pastor but I will sit and read what someone is trying to say. If there is an error then I point it out but you have to put your personal feelings to the side and let the Word shed light. But it's not going to do any good if the bible is never opened. the only thing open is your heart and that is emotionally driven.
I also don't like to "cut and paste" because that is not my study. that is someone elses. it's true that some one can be an influence to us in our studies but I have to realize that if i take a position on something that it's because "I" take a position not "some one influnced me to take this position."

just throwing this out there.

i don't wanna read "hellelujah," or "yes praise...."

You can see emotions flying around. I will honestly say that I CURRENTLY get sarcastic with one person on this forum. I dont call names nor show serious disrespect. however, this is a way that we both come off to each other but at then end i cut through the fat and see the meat of his point.

God bless

AMEN! C-LOS!!!

I can say that I am one who has her bible with her when I come to this site and the other forum I rarely visit...To take someone's word for it --well that's quite dangerous.....

We should seek it out on our own, whether we hear it in church or read it here and other places...If I don't seek it out, then I have accepted the words of man not God....Man has to much room for error, God gets it right everytime....

some times certain subjects may need serious attention. this whole thing about "such and such scripture says so and so and in greek it means '}±|╘╗├@#$'..."
I'm like cool. I got a Strong's. I'm looking it up but don't come to me as though you are fluent in greek. I guarantee no one here is fluent in greek. we are all here to learn. We can study greek words together but I'm also smart enough to see when someone is making a mountain out of an ant pile.
also, this whole thing about "our fore-fathers said such and such and the early church did this so and so..."

Unless you are a historian then I'm going to listen. Our forefathers weren't prefect so all this cut and paste of our forefathers I take lightly and sift through it. Because if our forefathers pulled certain stunts like they did with the early church then you'll see a revolution in some causes. Also consider that our "forefathers" weren't perfect because Paul was upset with the Corinthians in his letters. Paul sent them a nasty letter and talked about it in 2nd Corinth.
The Corinthians...taught by Paul...they are part of our forefathers. Human...just like you and I.

I ain't perfect so I know I'm included in this bunch. I'm sarcastic, arrogant at times, and gained more pounds over the holidays that what I expected. I'm not perfect.
But let's organize our thoughts and not try to fool anyone.

fresh start in 2007.

edit to say: I'm not picking on certain people but just giving heat to this form's trend. take it lightly. I've learned some things from certain peeps and hope I have enlightened some. I at least hope some one has read something I've said and have made them open their bible. They don't have to agree but the thought that I caught some ones attention would make me feel alright.

[quote name='c-los medrano' date='Jan 9 2007, 12:22 PM' post='98260']
and verify scripture?
whether it's on this forum or in conversation?

do you sit by your PC and crack the bible open to verify what someone posted?

I can honestly say I do.
I don't call a friend nor my pastor but I will sit and read what someone is trying to say. If there is an error then I point it out but you have to put your personal feelings to the side and let the Word shed light. But it's not going to do any good if the bible is never opened. the only thing open is your heart and that is emotionally driven.
I also don't like to "cut and paste" because that is not my study. that is someone elses. it's true that some one can be an influence to us in our studies but I have to realize that if i take a position on something that it's because "I" take a position not "some one influnced me to take this position."

just throwing this out there.

i don't wanna read "hellelujah," or "yes praise...."

You can see emotions flying around. I will honestly say that I CURRENTLY get sarcastic with one person on this forum. I dont call names nor show serious disrespect. however, this is a way that we both come off to each other but at then end i cut through the fat and see the meat of his point.

God bless
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You have the gift of teaching... teachers care about details and love to be in their word.

Some of us struggle with reading our Bibles enough (I myself am one of them). Be merciful. We do try! I do better about spending time in prayer and in worship. A lot of times if you are great at one thing, you might struggle in other areas.

I'm so BLESSED that there are inspectors out there that watch out for folks like me!

I always have my Bibles with me. This is one of the ways the forum has help me because I do so much more research than ever before.
kim

[quote name='kim48' date='Jan 9 2007, 01:18 PM' post='98275']
I always have my Bibles with me. This is one of the ways the forum has help me because I do so much more research than ever before.
kim
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Me too! I carry one in my purse!

--- name='c-los medrano' date='Jan 9 2007, 12:22 PM'
and verify scripture?
whether it's on this forum or in conversation?

do you sit by your PC and crack the bible open to verify what someone posted?

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Absolutely. (And I know I drive people nuts.)

If one ever pays attention to how the people in the NT convert others... it is thru scripture time and time again... not thru the feelings or the personal experience testimony. The personal experience is totally important... but not in the conversion to Christ process... and the folks in the NT didn't use the NT to convert people... they used the Old Testament (law and prophets)... course it is 1900 years later now...

There are lots of threads to comment in or not comment in... I don’t feel a need to post all the time.

I'm reminded of the first Kingdom parable in Matt 13 (go ahead - crack that book open!) the 4 kinds of soil... the seed (Word) has to take root in the soil (heart)... (vs 19 for representation)

WAYSIDE - sown to heart but adversary (birds) take it away(v19) obviously the birds eat up the seed and it never roots in the heart... logically I'm thinking about the birds in my back yard when I reseed in the Fall.

STONY - heard the gospel, believe it, and joyful… but are never rooted in the Word of God (v5,6,20,21)

THORNS - doesn't say these are not rooted in the Word... but that they never get over the cares of the world (22) which makes 'em unfruitful (My opinion: it's very easy to get caught up in running a business… things of this world, biz, family, … the urgent pre-empts the important.. And these will choke out the study of the Bible! I attend a church filled with these kinds of people.)

GOOD SOIL - rooted in the Word, productively bearing fruit (v8,23), they pretty much get off the milk and into the meat (my opinion)


More of my opinion... I think to be "rooted" means to have an understanding... to get an understanding takes a lot of face to face with the Word (Bible) (Jesus)...


And here is a kicker question - Could all 4 soils be in our own hearts? (Do we pick and choose what we want to believe in the Word? Or is that why the stony soiled heart exists?)

And I hear what you say about the Greek and the history... I agree... I use Strong’s huge book and use the site Crosswalk.com (referencing the words to Strong’s on line)... some root words are extremely important... and it's a good study... the history though... if you don't cite it... I don't believe it - I wont believe it... I want references... even in Josephus... I figure if one doesn't cite book, page, paragraph... I can't verify, therefore... it may be nice and prove a point - but it's worthless until verifiable...

I do like the Holy Spirit verifying things... but I also know that He isn't going to verify something that contradicts the Word.

Comes back to scriptures and testimony... and when in the position of converting - use the scriptures. (AND, don’t convert to mormonism based on testimonies... believe what you can verify with your Bible... especially about their angel Moroni giving gold plates that testify of Jesus... cuz in the Bible it's always the Angel Gabriel that gives Messianic (Jesus) messages... like Paul says Gal 1:8! In the Bible we know the names of two - well 3 angels, Michael, Gabriel and Lucifer... why all the sudden some angel named Moroni giving a message that would belong to Gabriel? Use your Bible to verify "strange" doctrine!)

Ah... and my testimony, my personal experience with God... well... there are plenty of posts in my history here that would explain much of this experience.

[quote name='c-los medrano' date='Jan 9 2007, 11:44 AM' post='98268']
I ain't perfect so I know I'm included in this bunch. I'm sarcastic, arrogant at times, and gained more pounds over the holidays that what I expected. I'm not perfect.
But let's organize our thoughts and not try to fool anyone.
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Me, too!

[quote name='kim48' date='Jan 9 2007, 12:18 PM' post='98275']
I always have my Bibles with me. This is one of the ways the forum has help me because I do so much more research than ever before.
kim
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I use my old Bible to read myself to sleep, sometimes. I don't want to mess up my new one by rolling over on it! Yes, I read it everyday, and I'm with Kim in that by being on this forum I research now more than ever before. Unless it's scripture that I know by heart, I check it out.

YSIC, Angela

Coffee table, side table, desk, bed side, dining table, kitchen counter....Does it fill the house?

Not off topic just saying something out of love and those that understand will see it...Didn't know how else to say it without offending anyone, which I am not trying to do...

I look to the word every day.
I have one comment though about just looking up a scripture to validate an argument.
One of the things that my Sunday School teacher taught me last year was "context and setting."
It comes first.

You can't just pluck scriptures out and then try to organize them into your own religion. We have to know what the word is really saying. The Holy Spirit has raised up teachers. Trust worthy teachers that help us with history, Greek words and the conclusions their long hours of study have led them to. I'm so thankful for them.

Personal testimony is the heartfelt manifestation of the word received. God tells us to do it C los. It's a good thing. It's emotional. God moves in our lives because of the word and he tells us to testify. Do l hold my Bible and flip the pages as l go? Nope. Just speak from the heart. If l'm wrong others will tell me without just cozying up to everything l say. If someone slams their Bible down and uses Scripture as a weapon l'm put off. I'm put off because God never corrects me like that. When he corrects me it's unbelievably awesome. It puts me on my knees...

[quote name='Miki' date='Jan 10 2007, 07:09 AM' post='98392']
I look to the word every day.
I have one comment though about just looking up a scripture to validate an argument.
One of the things that my Sunday School teacher taught me last year was "context and setting."
It comes first.

You can't just pluck scriptures out and then try to organize them into your own religion. We have to know what the word is really saying. The Holy Spirit has raised up teachers. Trust worthy teachers that help us with history, Greek words and the conclusions their long hours of study have led them to. I'm so thankful for them.

Personal testimony is the heartfelt manifestation of the word received. God tells us to do it C los. It's a good thing. It's emotional. God moves in our lives because of the word and he tells us to testify. Do l hold my Bible and flip the pages as l go? Nope. Just speak from the heart. If l'm wrong others will tell me without just cozying up to everything l say. If someone slams their Bible down and uses Scripture as a weapon l'm put off. I'm put off because God never corrects me like that. When he corrects me it's unbelievably awesome. It puts me on my knees...
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And everybody said AMEN!

Miki, you are so right. And I was sent to scripture to make this post so that I could give the exact verse. Remember Matt. 24:20, when Jesus warned the people to pray that their flight not be on the sabbath? Until I read the book "Salvation is From the Jews" by Roy Shoeman, a messianic Jew, I never gave a passing thought to this verse. I understood the context of the chapter as a whole and never bothered to break it down.

Well, it seems that the gates to the city were closed and guarded by temple guards on the sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath holy was strictly enforced and no one or nothing passed through those gates on the sabbath. So consequently, everyone was trapped in from sundown to sundown on the sabbath.

It is impossible to fully understand scripture without the aid of Biblical scholars. Which is why I doubt translations made in the 14th and 15th centuries, like the KJV. I don't believe translaters of that period had a full understanding of every verse that they copied. I see those texts as the first steps of a child learning to walk.

sojourner

I agree jhammer. If a person tell me something different than I believe and with the right spirt it is wonderful to feel the spirt move between us.
If the Scripture is used as a weapon I can feel it.
I enjoy searching the Scriptures and I learn as I go. What is so great about is everytime I do it I find something else that I didnt know before.
Kim

---'sojourner' date='Jan 10 2007, 08:52 AM' post='98412'
It is impossible to fully understand scripture without the aid of Biblical scholars. Which is why I doubt translations made in the 14th and 15th centuries, like the KJV. I don't believe translaters of that period had a full understanding of every verse that they copied. I see those texts as the first steps of a child learning to walk.
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I see the KJV as Holy Spirit inspired. We have a piece of work that has been around for 400 years... and we know the problems that it presents... we haven't even begun to understand the problems of the most recent (last 100 years) versions of the Bible... amazing how they were developed during the Laodicean age... interesting.

If I'm going to memorize scripture - I'm going to use a text that I know will most likely continue to be around for the next 50 years...

[quote name='Miki' date='Jan 10 2007, 06:09 AM' post='98392']
Personal testimony is the heartfelt manifestation of the word received. God tells us to do it C los. It's a good thing. It's emotional. God moves in our lives because of the word and he tells us to testify. Do l hold my Bible and flip the pages as l go? Nope. Just speak from the heart. If l'm wrong others will tell me without just cozying up to everything l say. If someone slams their Bible down and uses Scripture as a weapon l'm put off. I'm put off because God never corrects me like that. When he corrects me it's unbelievably awesome. It puts me on my knees...
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i honestly do not do that.
I say this in a respectful manner NOT like"i'm right and youre wrong..."
I don't get into the heart thing. Some people may call me a conservative Christian. *shrugs*

Besides, a lot of scripture can be felt like a weapon if it contradicts a persons personal belief.
Just because it hurts doesn't mean it's "bad."

that's just me...

[quote name='kim48' date='Jan 10 2007, 07:56 AM' post='98413']
I agree jhammer. If a person tell me something different than I believe and with the right spirt it is wonderful to feel the spirt move between us.
If the Scripture is used as a weapon I can feel it.
I enjoy searching the Scriptures and I learn as I go. What is so great about is everytime I do it I find something else that I didnt know before.
Kim
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heres a joke that i put together from another joke. you may have heard it.

So there was this guy ontop of a roof because his whole area flooded and his house was under.
So a man on a boat came by and tried to help and the man stranded said "no thank you, i'll wait for the Holy Spirit to help me." the boat left.
Then a bad storm came through and a helicopter with a rescue person came by and tried to help. So the man stranded yelled "no thank you, i'll wait for the Holy Spirit to help me."
The storm came in and the man on the roof drowned.
In heaven the man asked God why the Holy Spirit didn't help. God said "I sent you some people but you didn't want to listen to them."



When someone tells me something that hurts...I actually listen.
One of us is drowning so we have to see who it is.

I understand what you are saying c-los. You used a story to illustrate truth. That's what testimonies do too.

But- there are some that DO use the scriptures purely to prove a point, or "win an arguement"- it's an ego thing. I believe that this very thing is what Paul was trying to combat when he talked about love. If I have not love- I'm just a clanging cymbol/gong. Love is emotional.

If a person doesn't understand that you love them- there is a bigger probability of them not listening at ALL to what you have to say.

David understood and KNEW the love of the Lord- so He walked in the truth (Psalm 26:3 for your love is ever before me, and I walk continually in your truth).

Why are there so many crazy and disobedient kids? Because they don't know the love of both parents. They don't know the love of the heavenly Father. However, His goodness draws us to repentance... His love changes our hearts. Not a fleshy arguement that has two people trying to prove some doctrinal point.

Just like everything else- there is ALWAYS a balance. Yes, you must stay true to scripture. Praise the LORD that we have the Word and can use it to cut into people's hearts- and sometimes you are right, IT HURTS! It's supposed to hurt! But- Miki's experience has been my experience. Never once has the Lord convicted me where I felt like He was waving a BIG BAD FINGER at me. No, beautifully and gently I realize that I am wrong because He LOVES me to my knees. We are relational and we serve a relational God. They were saved by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony. Both. Balance. Spirit AND Truth. Truth AND Spirit.

[quote name='jhamner' date='Jan 10 2007, 09:15 AM' post='98431']
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when people have an ego, show arrogance and get loud. i actually think that that is a phase they are going through in their Christian walk. that's a good thing.
Call me sick but I enjoy that. But after they get over that "hump" then you see a change in them.
I've seen this many times and if some one looks at old posts of mine. i have gone through that too.

think of it this way...the loud and arrogant ones...they are the ones that need love.
it's not the personal love though.
Do we only love the ones that meet our personal expectations?

the ones I have issues with is the ones that recite all kinds of books and bring up forefathers but by their posts look like they read everything but the bible.

Now that post, c-los, makes me just ADORE YOU!

Yes, the arrogant phase is a newbie phase. I went through it. I forget (blush).



You are alright by me.

C-los....

I'm sorry you don't get into the "heart thing." l actually think it's a phase you are going through in your Christian walk. I've seen it many times. Once you get over the hump you'll begin to see a change in things!

[quote name='Miki' date='Jan 11 2007, 05:59 AM' post='98558']
C-los....

I'm sorry you don't get into the "heart thing." l actually think it's a phase you are going through in your Christian walk. I've seen it many times. Once you get over the hump you'll begin to see a change in things!
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thank you. i'm a baby Christian.
i'm working on it.