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angelheart424
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I was looking in the Bible Dictionary?Concordance of a KJV...Thomas Nelson Inc. and saw the word catholic it said....
Universal: world wide ( as used in the Apostel's Creed) general (as applied to the catholic Epistles); broad, extensive...

Please can anyone explain...is the word "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere?

Again when looking for the Apostles Vreed in the Dic/Con... I again found the word catholic under the word "Apocrypha" it said...
A number of books included in Roman Catholic versions of the Bible but not in the Hebrew Scriptures and not usually appearing in Protestant versions, though sometimes added between the OT/NT.

Ok now I am confussed. Are there Scriptures missing from The Holy Bible that I have always read...KJV that I am not aware of? If so please can anyone tell me and explain. I don'twant to miss out on anything that God inspired to be placed in the His Word.


one more question. as I am studiying the life and journey of Abraham I need to know this. I am using both the KJV and the NIV version they say different things and I want to make sure that I am learning this all correctly.

Gen 11:31
KJV says Ur of the Chaldees
NIV says Ur of the Chaldeans

is this the same with just a different spelling and who or what is the Chaldeans or Chaldees? Thanks for all your help.

Love you all in the Lord and pray for you all daily.


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Guest_David_*
The word Catholic is not in the KJV. The KJV also does not have Maccabees, Tobit, Bel and the Dragon and some extra chapters of Daniel that the Roman Catholic "Douay Rhiems" Bible has.
The Roman Catholic church considers itself to be the only true Christian church and those who are not in good standing with it to be apostate.
I attend a Southern Baptist church. We believe that anyone who believes that Jesus is God and the Son of God (note the capital letters used) and submits to Him (Jesus) as the Lord of their life is saved, regardless of denomination. We do not believe that a Jehovah's Witness that follows their version of the Bible is saved because they specifically deny the Diety of Jesus. If you meet one ask to read John 1:1 in their version and compare it to the KJV. Their bible also blasphemes against the Holy Spirit by stating that fallen angels were the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:4. What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit. God's Holy Spirit is not and never be the "Father" of demons.
I do not consider the NIV to be inspired of God. Matthew 23:15 in the KJV reads in part "two-fold more the child of hell than yourselves." The NIV reads "twice the son of hell"
'Two-fold more than' is 3, 'twice' is 2. One of them must be wrong, and if someone misquotes Jesus then their translation is not inspired of the Holy Spirit because God does not make mistakes. Three times something is "completely" something in Hebrew. Jesus was insulting the pharisees ans scribes.
The KJV is correct. Much of the language in the KJV is archaic, so be careful of what you think you are reading and if necessary get a Gideon Bible to use it's glossary for the out of use words.
The spelling of place names and proper names will always vary some since English is not exactly equivalent to any other language. We don't know for sure exactly what the Babylonian(Chaldean) word for their nation sounded like. The translators do their best.
angelheart424
thanks for the info.

angelheart
ishtob
Here's a good site for comparing The KJV to other versions of the Bible.

http://www.1john57.com/

Just for starters,

KJV: Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

NIV: Isaiah 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"
ishtob
JESUS is the "Morning Star"!

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Tracy
This is a very good question. There are many people out there that are King James Version only, and I believe their reasons are stong; but this is for another discussion. The Apostle's Creed is from the Catholic Church, not the Bible; but if you're curious, I assume you can pick up a "Book of Common Prayer" in any Bible book store. But, the Apostolic office ceased with the death of the apostles. Furthermore, and most importantly, Catholics do not believe in the finished work of Christ. The original Church split with the church in Rome (which became the Catholic church) when Constantine preclaimed himself the head of the Church (and his motivation for this is another discussion). Instead, ask yourself, "WHERE IS THE CHURCH JESUS BUILT?" Jesus promised "I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt. 16:18.) The split continued with the Catholic church imposing the government law forcing people to baptise infants, and it went on from there. I found a good booklet on Church history called "The Trail of Blood" by J.M. Carroll. In a nutshell, the marks of the New Testament Church is that Jesus is the ONLY Head (Matt. 16:18, Col. 1:18); the ONLY rule of faith and practice is The Bible (II Tim. 3:15-17); Its name is "Church" Matt 16:18 and Rev. 22:16; it's members are saved people (Eph. 2:21, I Pet. 2:5), its ordinances are BELIEVERS' baptism (not infant) and the Lord's Supper (Matt. 28:19-20); it's officers are Pastors and Deacons (I Tim. 3:1-16); it's work is to get people saved (the Great Commission) and it is separated from the State (otherwise, we'd all be Catholic!).

QUOTE(angelheart424 @ Apr 20 2005, 12:19 PM)
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I was looking in the Bible Dictionary?Concordance of a KJV...Thomas Nelson Inc. and saw the word catholic it said....
Universal: world wide ( as used in the Apostel's Creed)  general (as applied to the catholic Epistles); broad, extensive...

Please can anyone explain...is the word "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere?

Again when looking for the Apostles Vreed in the Dic/Con... I again found the word catholic under the word "Apocrypha"  it said...
A number of books included in Roman Catholic versions of the Bible but not in the Hebrew Scriptures and not usually appearing in Protestant versions, though sometimes added between the OT/NT.

Ok now I am confussed. Are there Scriptures missing from The Holy Bible that I have always read...KJV that I am not aware of? If so please can anyone tell me and explain. I don'twant to miss out on anything that God inspired to be placed in the His Word.


one more question. as I am studiying the life and journey of Abraham I need to know this. I am using both the KJV and the NIV version they say different things and I want to make sure that I am learning this all correctly.

Gen 11:31
KJV says Ur of the Chaldees
NIV says Ur of the Chaldeans

is this the same with just a different spelling and who or what is the Chaldeans or Chaldees? Thanks for all your help.

Love you all in the Lord and pray for you all daily.


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Shekel
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In a nutshell, the marks of the New Testament Church is that Jesus is the ONLY Head (Matt. 16:18, Col. 1:18); the ONLY rule of faith and practice is The Bible (II Tim. 3:15-17); Its name is "Church" Matt 16:18 and Rev. 22:16; it's members are saved people (Eph. 2:21, I Pet. 2:5), its ordinances are BELIEVERS' baptism (not infant) and the Lord's Supper (Matt. 28:19-20); it's officers are Pastors and Deacons (I Tim. 3:1-16); it's work is to get people saved (the Great Commission) and it is separated from the State (otherwise, we'd all be Catholic!).


Well said (or quoted!)

"Jesus is the ONLY Head."

However, look at I Tim 3:1-16 again:

Excuse all the strongs numbers. My bible software has them added, this is usually reason why I opt to use another version of the bible where my software does not add these numbers. Note "Bishops" and "Deacons."

1Ti 3:2 A bishop1985 then3767 must1163 be1511 blameless,423 the husband435 of one3391 wife,1135 vigilant,3524 sober,4998 of good behavior,2887 given to hospitality,5382 apt to teach;1317
1Ti 3:3 Not3361 given to wine,3943 no3361 striker,4131 not3361 greedy of filthy lucre;146 but235 patient,1933 not a brawler,269 not covetous;866
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth4291 well2573 his own2398 house,3624 having2192 his children5043 in1722 subjection5292 with3326 all3956 gravity;4587
1Ti 3:5 (For1161 if1487 a man5100 know1492 not3756 how to rule4291 his own2398 house,3624 how4459 shall he take care of1959 the church1577 of God?)2316
1Ti 3:6 Not3361 a novice,3504 lest3363 being lifted up with pride5187 he fall1706 into1519 the condemnation2917 of the3588 devil.1228
1Ti 3:7 Moreover1161 he846 must1163, (2532) have2192 a good2570 report3141 of575 them which are without;1855 lest3363 he fall1706 into1519 reproach3680 and2532 the snare3803 of the3588 devil.1228
1Ti 3:8 Likewise5615 must the deacons1249 be grave,4586 not3361 doubletongued,1351 not3361 given4337 to much4183 wine,3631 not3361 greedy of filthy lucre;146


Here is a more readable version.

1Ti 3:1 The word is faithful: if any one aspires to exercise oversight, he desires a good work.
1Ti 3:2 The overseer then must be irreproachable, husband of one wife, sober, discreet, decorous, hospitable, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 not given to excesses from wine, not a striker, but mild, not addicted to contention, not fond of money,
1Ti 3:4 conducting his own house well, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (but if one does not know how to conduct his own house, how shall he take care of the assembly of God?)
1Ti 3:6 not a novice, that he may not, being inflated, fall into the fault of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 But it is necessary that he should have also a good testimony from those without, that he may fall not into reproach and the snare of the devil.

1Ti 3:8 Ministers, in like manner, grave, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not seeking gain by base means,
1Ti 3:9 holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10 And let these be first proved, then let them minister, being without charge against them .
1Ti 3:11 The women in like manner grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12 Let the ministers be husbands of one wife, conducting their children and their own houses well:

AS you can see, I like the KJV but, as most any missionary will tell you, do not get overly hung up on the bible version issue.

A Bishop is a fancy word for "one who gives oversight." The KJV, as good as it was, was influenced by high Anglicanism with its emphasis on formality and instituionalism. Thus the King of England (King James, head of the Anglican Church) desired language in the offiical bible that undergirded his kingdom and its structure, just as the Duay version did the Catholic Church. (Am I stepping on toes? But its the truth!)

So, the bishop is not necessarily the same as 'Pastor,' though they can be.

We read our culture into the bible and that is not good. In so doing we elevate our traditions above the Word of God---the same way the Roman Catholic church does, except they are more up front about it.

Look up the word pastor in the New Testament and you will be shocked how few times it is mentioned. The reality is that the New Testament church saw a plurality of leadership, both in function and calling that guided the saints (believers) in the use of their gifts in the assembly. The leaders were not the head, they only gave lead by word and example. But the flock ministered to each other, and each spoke as they were moved by God's Spirit, and the leadership kept things balanced and in order, and were only often the main speakers because of their age and experience, not position. They were not "Lord's over God's flock," but "examples," as it says in the book of Peter. Their joy was in seeing others excel in their gifts and ministry. It is a sad fact that evangelical churches today resemble the structure of the Roman Catholic Church far more than they do a New Testament church. This is painfully true, but admitted by numerous Church history books. For example, search the bible and find out where the Gentile converts met. You will me most shocked!!! They met around a living room staring at each other as leaders facilitated one another’s involvement. (Och! ohmy.gif )

Is this part of your weekly Sunday gathering?

1Co 14:26 What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one dry.gif hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:27 If any man dry.gif speaketh in a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and that in turn; and let one dry.gif interpret:
1Co 14:28 but if there be no interpreter, let him dry.gif keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Co 14:29 And let the prophets speak by two or three dry.gif , and let the others dry.gif discern.
1Co 14:30 But if a revelation be made to another dry.gif sitting by, let the first keep silence.
1Co 14:31 For ye all can prophesy one by one dry.gif dry.gif , that all dry.gif may learn, and all dry.gif may be exhorted; smile.gif
1Co 14:32 and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets;
1Co 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, dry.gif

1Co 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Prisca salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. dry.gif blink.gif



Roman Catholicism has influenced us more than we dare realize. The priest, Martin Luther, broke away at some points, but in other points he did not---especially in the area of church government. The priesthood of all believers was in name more than in practice.

So then, I believe in overseers who guide the flock. And if you study it carefully, an overseer and an elder were the same thing. (I say, "were" because unfortunately they are distinct today as two offices in most churches.) But no typical Protestant church today has the right to condemn the Pope for being the head of his church since the Pastor has usurped the same position to himself, only over a much smaller congregation. The one great difference that divides evangelicals from Roman Catholics is not form, but belief. The Catholic Church believe good works merits salvation. Evangelicals believe that salvation by faith alone induces good works. The difference is enormous!

Do you still lover me!


About bible versions: rolleyes.gif

Study how Jesus and the rest of the New Testament quoted from the Old Testament (MT and LXX) and one will ever be silent on this needlessly divisive issue. What is inspired? The KJV or the original Greek from which it was translated? Am I to believe that the word “Easter” in the book of Acts is correct, but the original Greek wrong!!! Every where else Pasca was translated Passover, so why not there too?
The KJV is a wonderful version---but not flawless, even as the team of scholars that produced it do themselves insist. (They urge their reader in the preface of their own KJV not to lift their imperfect version [i.e., KJV] beyond what it is, that is, simply one imperfect translation of the perfect Word of God.

Let us rethink our traditions and denominational biases. We all see through a “glass darkly.” (KJV)

Love you all!
dennis mann
Shekel, I think you're great.

You need to write a Complete Bible Commentary for us. (just joking)

Keep teaching us.

dennis manning
Miki
Will you still like me? biggrin.gif

I have the living bible because my husband gave it to me years ago and had my name put on it. I used it because l needed to understand. Computers weren't around like they are now.

My son who's away at Bible college just bought me a new Bible because he's learning so much were he's at. smile.gif He wanted me to have this version because he thinks it's the best. I use it now and it is precious to me.

Can l tell you which version? No... smile.gif I could go look and tell you....

I use the computer when l study if l have a problem. If l don't get into these endless debates over scripture l don't need my gun loaded. smile.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif (just kidding)

For those just begining need the basics. When you start having deeper questions you can get into the root of the meaning with other texts.

Which Bible and which church became a stumbling block for me when l first came in. blink.gif
Miki
And when l get into the root of the meaning with other texts (King James etc.) and l still can't get it l ask Marcus. smile.gif We can ask a friend more knowledgeable than ourselves. Amen?
Simple
He-he . Miki thinks I'm knowledgeable !

Shekel has studied for 20 years .

When I got baptized somebody told me not to bother even reading the Bible !

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angelheart424
Thank you for giving to the Lord...

Thanks for all the response and answers. I still read my KJV and as I am not attending a church right now it is my prayer that God will lead me toi the right one. I may not go to a Church building but I do have Church...I carry it in my heart and worship God in all that I do, at least I try to. There are so many denominations, I have been Baptist for the most part, but I have come to say when asked I simply say I Belong To CHRIST. I am Christain, not a Baptis, aPentacost, ect..ect..ect...On the day of the Rapture, it is going to snow...all the name tags will fall an then we will finally be in ONE ACCORD...Pray for God's ppl to pray for God's ppl...

Love you all in Jesus
angelheart
Tracy
Angel, from experience, I would recommend not being on sabbatical too long.

(Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.)

Also, you may want to read my post in Bible Versions Questions where I digressed on about "what is the church Jesus built?"
angelheart424
Thank you Tracy for your response and your concern. Please know that I am aware of "The Church Jesus Built." I am indeed a part of that Church.

Love to all,

angelheart
Tracy
Shekel, yes, absolutely Jesus is the (only) head! Interestingly enough, my church just did a lesson (well, a few months ago) on the roles of pastors and deacons, taking a lot from the book of Acts as well as the scriptures you quoted, and came to the same conclusion you did. Do you fellowship at my church and I don't even know it?

In this same vain, did you know there are only two ordinances as well? rolleyes.gif
Nathan
QUOTE(angelheart)
I was looking in the Bible Dictionary?Concordance of a KJV...Thomas Nelson Inc. and saw the word catholic it said....
Universal: world wide ( as used in the Apostel's Creed)  general (as applied to the catholic Epistles); broad, extensive...

Please can anyone explain...is the word "Catholic" in the Bible anywhere?

No, the word "catholic" is not used in the bible. However, do not confuse "Catholic" with "catholic".
The one with the "C" is referring to the denomination.
Catholic with a "c" is another word for "universal"
For example:

The Catholic Church = A church of the Catholic denomination.

The catholic church = The church itself (as in every Christian)

I hope that helps.

QUOTE(Christian-Teen27)
Again when looking for the Apostles Vreed in the Dic/Con... I again found the word catholic under the word "Apocrypha"  it said...
A number of books included in Roman Catholic versions of the Bible but not in the Hebrew Scriptures and not usually appearing in Protestant versions, though sometimes added between the OT/NT.

As I've pointed out, the word "catholic" is largely misunderstood. Here's an explanation of the Apostle's Creed:

Historically and doctrinely, The Apostles' Creed stands as the single finest summary of Scripture presenting what a Christian must believe regarding, The Person of God / Jesus / Spirit, The Atonement and The Resurrections. If you do not believe everything put forth there you are probably not a Christian. Sadly, ignorance of the true meaning / definition of the word catholic (universal Christian not Catholic denomination) is common among many Evangelical / Protestant churches. Therefore, The Creed is not as widely accepted as it should be.

So... for those of you who have never read the Apostle's Creed... here it is. It basically summarizes what we, as Christians, believe:

"I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of Heaven and Earth,
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, Our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into Hades.
The third day he rose from the dead, he ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost,
the holy ***catholic*** church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting. "
***universal***

I hope that clears that up for you.
QUOTE(Christian-Teen27)
Ok now I am confussed. Are there Scriptures missing from The Holy Bible that I have always read...KJV that I am not aware of? If so please can anyone tell me and explain. I don'twant to miss out on anything that God inspired to be placed in the His Word.

The Apocrypha is not accepted to be the inspired word of God by any church except the Catholic denomination. (as far as I know... there could be a few others... but not many)
QUOTE(Christian-Teen27)
one more question. as I am studiying the life and journey of Abraham I need to know this. I am using both the KJV and the NIV version they say different things and I want to make sure that I am learning this all correctly.

Gen 11:31
KJV says Ur of the Chaldees
NIV says Ur of the Chaldeans

is this the same with just a different spelling and who or what is the Chaldeans or Chaldees? Thanks for all your help.

I would reccomend using the NASB or the ESV... they are the most accurate translations.
ishtob
ANOTHER BIBLE ~ ANOTHER GOSPEL




PREFACE



The words of the LORD are pure words,
As silver tried in a furnace of earth,
purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD,
Thou shalt preserve them
from this generation forever.
Psalm 12:6,7

Heaven and earth shall pass away,
But my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35





CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THAT GOD’S WORD IS THE TRUTH,
divinely inspired and inerrant. Attempts to destroy it under the pretext of clarifying its meaning have accelerated over the past one hundred years. This paper documents an investigation into the domain of Bible scholarship which, having evaluated the evidence found therein and within the various Bible translations, has determined:

The Greek Textus Receptus, from which the Authorized King James Version was translated, is the true Word of God.

The New Greek Text, from which modern versions (Revised Version, New International Version, New American Standard Version, and New King James Version) are derived, is a corrupted Greek text.

The reader will find in these pages historical information concerning the translation of the KJV and modern versions, evidence which discredits the translators of the New Greek Text and the Revised Version of 1881 (ERV or RV), and Tables which compare selected Scriptures in the KJV, ERV (RV), NASB, NIV, and NKJV. The negative impact of numerous changes in modern translations upon Christian doctrine and also upon the Church will become apparent. This treatise will deal primarily with alterations to the New Testament.

The reader should take into consideration that not all editions and printings of each modern translation are the same. For this paper, the 1881 ERV, 1973 NASB, 1978 NIV, and the 1982 NKJV were used for the Tables of Comparison of Selected Scriptures. All other Bible references are from the Authorized King James Version.

~ Robert M. Baker

go to

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/another.html

for complete article
meekness
I'm with you ishtob,

The King James is the authorized version.
Our Lord has always dealt with kings, and the King James well, come from King James
in England in the early 1600.

The church of Rome has tried to destroy it for many centuries and has not prevailed, and never will. The success of the reformation brought by Martin Luther is due to the fact that the mind of the people came in contact with the pure word of God.

I personally have found the other bibles either have verses missing, or I find that
they lose the proper reverence due to our Lord, and sometimes both.

When I read that no one speaketh the tongue any longer, I can only reply that I am
english as second language, I understand the King James and I am very found of it.

Shalom

meekness

P.S.

I went to the website of the link you provided: http://watch-unto-prayer.org/another.html

What a good find. This is a must read!

meekness
Nicolas
QUOTE(Guest_David_* @ Apr 20 2005, 07:28 PM)
I do not consider the NIV to be inspired of God. Matthew 23:15 in the KJV reads in part "two-fold more the child of hell than yourselves." The NIV reads "twice the son of hell"
'Two-fold more than' is 3, 'twice' is 2. One of them must be wrong, and if someone misquotes Jesus then their translation is not inspired of the Holy Spirit because God does not make mistakes. Three times something is "completely" something in Hebrew. Jesus was insulting the pharisees ans scribes.
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I looked at about 19 versions of the bible and only about five of them say "twofold" the rest all say "twice." I think it would be a good idea to take a look at the original greek to find the true meaning. But regardless of that, "twofold" does mean twice as much so there is actually no inconsistency in this case.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=twofold
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