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mmddll
I have an unusual request for anyone who can help.


I wonder (have wondered for a few years) if there is any connection to the Mason Dixon Line and the Mene Mene Tekel code as it relates to 9/11


The reason I wonder about this is manifold, but particularly has to do with the fact that between Manhattan Island and the Pentagon is a little known place called the Mason Dxon Line Arc center which is the steeple of New Castle courthouse in Delaware (one of the oldest historic places in Colonial America)


What sparked my interest initially is that my initials are MDL and Mason Dixon Line abbreviated is MDL. The line stops at the northern panhandle of West Virginia which is the state I was born in, which seceeded from Virginia at the beginning of the Civil War. The Civil War is historically the first time "income taxes" were used to pay for the war effort. The Mene Mene Tekel code deals with coins and "want"


The MDL is a dividing line between Maryland and Pennsylvania and marked every 5 miles with stones labeled "M" on one side and "P" on the other, and was subsequently the dividing line between slavery and freedom after the Missouri Compromise.


I will explain more if anyone has the slightest bit of interest.

Miki
Spend some time slowly reading through the codes. You will discover wonders beyond political lines drawn on earth. You will also come to know a man who's hard earned money enables you to post on this forum.

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mmddll
I have been looking today at them, but it is very difficult to understand.



I see that the Mene Tekel code is encrypted in the 15 Hebrew letters that spell Mene Mene Tekel Parsin, but I haven't really grasped the Hand picture code.



Do you understand what I'm talking about with the Mason Dixon Line, Miki?



This image is of a quarter(right) compared to the landmass of Delaware/New Jersey at the MDL corner. That is an actual aerial photograph. You can clearly see a "head" facing West. Above (not shown) is Trenton NJ where Washington crossed the Delaware which was a critical manuever in the Revolutionary War that decided the fate of the Colonial United States. This area lies in the middle of Manhattan Island (WTC) and Arlington Virginia (Pentagon) diagonally.



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The Mene Tekel code deals with coins



I'll show some things about the Mason Dixon Line later...

mmddll
Above is "M" and below is "P". The MDL "divides" the M and P (Maryland and Pennsylvania) kingdom divided between the "M"edes and "P"ersians?

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Here is a marker stone. You can see the "M" and "P". This is the corner of Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Delaware.

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I don't know why this intrigues me. I guess because of that head facing West.

signet
mdl...in short hand...sorta...mdl stands for middle...could be model, medal or muddle...depends on the context of the message...

thinking outloud

m i d d l e
m i d d l e

M/13 D/4 L/12 4/4/3=11 13/4 4/4 12/3=11
26 8 24 8/8/6=22

how interesting...i had no idea that would happen...

add mdl and mdl, reduce to the lowest value...11/22 your name or 22/11


1/2...interesting what numbers do...have fun!

Happy New Year!


Miki
I see it mmddll....There are many things like this. If God wants he will unfold it to you.

Something l've found....They can simply be signs agreeing with things at a particular point in time. God can reveal...

or we can search them out on our own. Some think to do it on your own is divination....

I have many things with my own name...it is intriguing. We need to be thoughtful of motive and calling. Who's doing it...the calling that is?

Two things together that look a like. It reminds me in a way of tracing.

The image underneath is the real thing. We put our tracing paper over the top and begin to follow the lines. If we are careless or a little bit off we come up with a strange image. I remember we did this in the 50's a lot as kid growing up... The picture would be unrecognizable when done.
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Just my unction...

I'd drop your pursuit unless God really reveals something to you. blush.gif

Are you modeling after the real thing? Meddling? Or just muddling?
senteami3
I see that the face is turning its face AWAY FROM JERUSALEM... A founding father, turning FROM THE BEGINNING his face from Jerusalem???

Bad omen... excl.gif
mmddll
I don't understand. Why would this be any different than other dreams, visions, or revelations that I would have to drop it, or that I'm meddling?



I believe that God carved out that parcel of land and water to make that face to show us that this country was raised up by Him (not George Washington), and can easily be brought down, just like he told Belshazzar. There is no "muddling" going on here.



Those 2 surveyors who surveyed the MDL were Christian astronomers. God could have used them for His purposes, just as He may be using me to point it out, and just as He used Shekel to find the hidden code. I don't believe that code has been completely fulfilled, even with the hanging of Saddam. I'm not going to be so arrogant as to think this nation won't be judged likewise for the abominations going on in it (past and present).

mmddll
P.S. I believe the creation (and continual buildup) of an atomic bomb that has the potential to destroy this planet is an abomination in God's sight.



yes, it was called the "Manhattan Project" and originated in the United States and the whole world witnessed it's devastation on August 6, 1945 (or soon after).

The ungodly men who worked on that project blasphemously called the test site "Trinity"



what an abomination! Now, since life has been so devalued, we have nearly 1,000,000 abortions "on demand" performed every year in the U.S. alone! This is not "one nation under God" this is "one nation who spits at God"

mmddll
http://www.bible-codes.org/why-genuine-men...n-riddles-2.htm




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NOTES

  1. the Mene Tekel bible code (coins)
  2. 6-6-6 representing the beast monetary aspect of Jesus' betrayal of 30 shekels
  3. face with comparison to a "quarter dollar" looks similar to Washington, who also appears on America's primary monetary unit (dollar). Location of WTC and Pentagon relative to MDL indicated by asterisk(*)
  4. Middle East map with reverse image of my drawing overlayed
  5. reverse image of my drawing. The "two witnesses" are standing in Iran. The vision given to Zechariah (two lampstands) was during the return from the exile during the Persian Empire. Iran is modern day Persia
  6. Middle East map (modern British drawn boundaries)
  7. close-up of the Sunni Triangle area...Ad Dawr Iraq marked in red (where Saddam was found on 12/13/03) This parallels the 13th day of the 12th month Adar mentioned in Esther
  8. close-up of drawing overlayed on map. Circles highlight the eyesockets of "beast" (Iraq)
  9. Image where I shifted the triangle to the eye, lining up the eye sockets. Tip of triangle points to Ad dawr. I also recently discovered a "number 6" by creating a composite of a one dollar bill using a reverse image of itself and "alpha" compositing

These are just some things I believe the Holy Spirit has directed me to look at. What's remarkable to me is that when I overlayed my drawing on the Middle East map, the town of "Samarra" is located on the eye. The closest word I could relate "Samarra" to is the name "Samaria" which comes from the root Aramaic "Shamar" which means "Watch"! which is what Jesus told us to do! (which also has a spiritual aspect of watching our own spiritual condition and not fall asleep)

Vision Drawn On Paper In 1984



The "original" Persian Gulf war began between Iraq and Iran in 1980 and the U.S. became involved in 1982 during the "Tanker War" (because of the oil trade and attacks on oil tankers by both Iraq and Iran)



The dark part of my drawing could be seen as either "oil" or "blood". The prospect of "peace" by the "Road Map" drawn up by the "quartet" (an unholy alliance of the U.S., E.U., Russia, and U.N.) is not about peace, but dividing up Israel "for a price" (no doubt measured in 50 gallon drums)

AngelaNPraise
QUOTE(senteami3 @ Jan 1 2007, 11:28 AM) [snapback]97420[/snapback]

I see that the face is turning its face AWAY FROM JERUSALEM... A founding father, turning FROM THE BEGINNING his face from Jerusalem???


Or he's looking to Israel from the east, I guess it's all in how one views it. blush.gif

In Christ, Angela
mmddll
Just to remind everyone why that drawing is such a hideous depiction related to American money and greed.



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By George Monbiot, The Guardian
The central mystery of the modern state is this: The necessary resources, both economic and political, will always be found for the purpose of terminating life.

The project of preserving it will always be a struggle. When did you last see a soldier shaking a can for a new rifle, or a sponsored marathon raising money for nuclear weapons? But we must beg and cajole each other for funds whenever a hospital wants a new dialysis machine.

If the money and determination expended on waging war with Iraq had been used to tackle climate change, our carbon emissions would already be in free fall. If as much money were spent on foreign aid as on fighter planes, no one would ever go hungry.







As a reminder of what I mentioned earlier, the American income tax was initiated during the Civil War to pay (temporarily) for the war effort....when did we last see a soldier shaking a can for a new rifle?

mmddll
The Manhattan Project was led by the Manhattan Engineering District (MED)

Mede?


Go back and look at the head facing west. It is looking directly at the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia (where the MDL stops) The acrostic formed from the four counties, in order is "HBOM" as in H-bomb (or Hydrogen bomb)

Hancock County
Brooke County
Ohio County
Marshall County

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Ths may seem irrelevant, but I think there is something to it. Since Ronald Reagan was innaugurated, every single president before him faced "away" from the Washington monument (a phallic symbol dedicated to "The Father of Our Country")



Every president after (and including Reagan) has "faced" the "phallic" symbol of George Washington which stands precisely 555 feet tall. Convert that number to inches, what do you get? President Bush faced the monument at his innauguration and placed his hand on a "masonic" bible.



What do the three coins in the Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin code add up to according to Shekel's calculations?



(Remember, it was during Reagan's term that we propped up Saddam Hussein during the Iran Iraq war)

Ronald Reagan's wife Nancy was deeply interested in astrology and probably other New Age crap and probably had some influence on Reagan's decisions.

It is believed that Iran (Persia) is now a nuclear power (or soon will be) North Korea will give them whatever help they need, I'm sure. I believe Iraq is destined to become part of a greater Iran under Shiite control.

This is all part of the "mystery of iniquity" legacy that has been at work by underground satanists and decievers. But God will protect His people through it all. Jesus said "let them grow together until the harvest"





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555 feet = 6660 inches


666 in Greek looks like "XES" in a mirror would look like SEX! No wonder Mystery Babylon is called a Great Whore!

(I've tried to make this as clean a message as I can)

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What kind of sinister, mischeivous look is THAT?!


Why Is (then) Governor George Bush having his picture taken with Freemasons who cover their private area with aprons?



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mmddll
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Miki
QUOTE(senteami3 @ Jan 1 2007, 05:28 PM) [snapback]97420[/snapback]

I see that the face is turning its face AWAY FROM JERUSALEM... A founding father, turning FROM THE BEGINNING his face from Jerusalem???

Bad omen... excl.gif



See this is the point...We don't follow omens!! Not as Christians. I ask you about the occult before Senteami...
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mmddll.............

What l've been finding out and l've said it before.

Two things are sown together. Can you tell the difference?

Of course l see illuminate but can you see the hand of God????

Also...you didn't spill the whole can of beans. You made it seem like you only had and inkling about these signs. That's why l said drop it. Much more is revealed here to you then you let on. Your fishing.

But l will say this. After reading what you posted (and this is just me personally) I'd still let it go. Somethings can be frightening. You cast the line. I bit...and that's what l think.
mmddll
Well, I guess all I can say is it doesn't frighten me. What frightens me is the fact that so many people are decieved by our leaders based on a few scriptures that say we should honor every horrible thing they do (twisted or misunderstood interpretation of Romans 13, that is), unless of course it's Bill Clinton. Then we should mock and criticise till our heart's content. I don't trust any of them. I might show respect if confronted face to face, but that doesn't mean I have to put my trust in them or overlook their evil inclinations. John the Baptist didn't, why should I?



What Would Samuel Say to President Bush?

If you believe that George W. Bush was chosen by the Lord to be President at this time then, go ahead, give him the benefit of the doubt. But, ultimately, there is no excuse for giving the President a free pass on everything he does while in office. The Apostle John teaches, "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God…." Jesus taught, "by their fruit you will recognise them" and also "be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." Saying "I was just following orders from the leader the Lord called" doesn't cut it.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/carson/carson20.html


If Romans 13 applies to George Bush, why doesn't it apply to any liberal humanist leader, such as Bill or Hillary Clinton?


If George Bush swore on a bible to uphold the constitution and defend this nation from all enemies foreign and domestic, then why is there such a dispute about our open border to Mexico, and why weren't we given any say about the following "premeditated merger"?


PREMEDITATED MERGER
How leaders are stealthily transforming USA into North American Union

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=53599

mmddll
P.S. Yes! I do see the hand of God. God is light and in Him there is no darkness. I see His hand exposing these works of darkness in every way imaginable. His hand lights up the works of darkness!



Many may not be able to comprehend what I see in this thread, but I know that this nation was built on a foundation of Jesus Christ's command to spread the gospel to the ends of the earth. He also commanded us to "not be decieved". I was thinking about Romans 13 that I just mentioned. This nation started out as 13 colonies, then came the Declaration of Independence and Constitution with the Bill of Rights. Before that was the Mayflower Compact (on which form of government the Constitution was based) which was in honor of spreading the gospel in the name of Jesus Christ under the authority of King James (the one who gave us the KJV 1611 bible). King George was a greedy tyrant which is why the Declaration was made (no taxation without representation was the main, publicly suppoerted reason).



Romans 13---> 13 colonies (read the text in the Mayflower link and compare to Romans 13)



The Hand of God! but His hand is being pushed away by the CFR and the atheistic globalists (Nimrod---we will build a tower that reaches heaven and make a name for ourselves)

Cosmic Artifact
Hello all... first time post here, i have just been scouring the internet for good topics to talk about the bible and such.

I just wanted to point out to MDL that God does reveal himself although only to the point which we can understand and sometimes that leads even to greater questions.
But from my perspective the (Bush is the antichrist) mentality is just kinda walked all over on allready. I recommend study into american politics and the political system a little further. The president is not a SOLE decision maker and in fact he is just someone to point the finger at. As with the whole U.S political system has always been. No single man is in control of this nation or has his finger on the 'button' alone. In fact i am willing to wager that the president is just a symbol and a spokes person.

You've been duped my the Michael Moore mentality and the very same conspiracy stuff that will only lead you further into the darkness. The picture is much BIGGER indeed.

mmddll
QUOTE(Miki @ Jan 2 2007, 08:10 AM) [snapback]97514[/snapback]
QUOTE(senteami3 @ Jan 1 2007, 05:28 PM) [snapback]97420[/snapback]

I see that the face is turning its face AWAY FROM JERUSALEM... A founding father, turning FROM THE BEGINNING his face from Jerusalem???

Bad omen... excl.gif



See this is the point...We don't follow omens!! Not as Christians. I ask you about the occult before Senteami...
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mmddll.............

What l've been finding out and l've said it before.

Two things are sown together. Can you tell the difference?

Of course l see illuminate but can you see the hand of God????

Also...you didn't spill the whole can of beans. You made it seem like you only had and inkling about these signs. That's why l said drop it. Much more is revealed here to you then you let on. Your fishing.

But l will say this. After reading what you posted (and this is just me personally) I'd still let it go. Somethings can be frightening. You cast the line. I bit...and that's what l think.






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Your fishing.




You are a prophet, Miki! 1dsz5e4.gif



http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=9457

fishing!



mmddll
For anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear:



Okay, the book of Revelation says the worshippers of the beast recieve a mark in their right hand or forehead.


1. Try to visualize this in reverse, where George is facing west towards the "phallus" of 6660 inches height. This is represented by the head of "George Washington" that faces the northern panhandle of WV. In Hebrew, a "V" is equal to 6, so WV=6-6-6 (3 V's or VV-V)



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2. This is George Bush giving someone what looks like a "secret hand gesture" with his right hand. Tell me if this gesture doesn't resemble the visual representation of WV!

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3. This is WV and the MDL. Look at the close-up. Does it look like the "head" is being marked on the forehead? And WV is the "right hand" making the gesture above?



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(you can see how WV makes the WV in the borderlines at the top. The Cornuto that Bush is flashing is a symbol of 3 Hebrew Vavs)


I do a thing where I figure out how many days from 1 A.D. to a given date in the 20th century is. For instance (this is just an example) 1946 would be 1946 x 365.25 days=710776.5 days from 1 A.D.



I use 365.25 days because that is the average of 4 years due to the leap year in our calendar (every four years there is an extra day in February, so 1 year would have a quarter of a day tacked on, or .25). It is fairly accurate.



George Bush is the 43rd president of the United States. He was 43 years old when his father was in his first term of office. George Bush was born on July 6, 1946. July 6th is the 187th day of the year in non-leap years.



Add 187 to the example number above.



710963.5 days from 1 A.D. our 43rd president was born.



Now if you calculate 43 years in days:

43 x 365.25 = 15705.75 days.



And add it to 710963.5 days, you get 726669.25 days.





726669.25 days is the number of days from 1 A.D. that our future 43rd president turned 43 years old.



There are two 666's in that number. One is visible, and one is "hidden" if you break this number apart.



72---666---9.25



Take away the 666 and multiply 72 x 9.25 (remember the 7, 2, and 9 in the "nun" thread?)



7+2+6+6+6+9+2+5 = 43

Maybe this is all conjecture...maybe not.


mmddll
The following are the first 20 Prime Numbers

2
3
5
7
11
13
17
19
23
29
31
37
41
43
47
53
59
61
67
71



adding up the first 14 numbers consecutively (highlighted in red) gives us the 60th Prime Number 281


281 divided by 14 = 20.0714285



281 divided by 43 (14th Prime Number) = 6.53488372

which is the equivilent of 43 x 6 + 23 = 281


Now, if you multiply the number highlighted in blue by 100, it gives us a date.

2007.14285

The number behind the decimal is a fraction of a year, so you multiply it by 365.25 to get the number of days in the year 2007, which would be approximately 52 days.


George Bush would be 60 years and 230 days old on this date (February 21st, 2007) with 135 days remaining to his 61st birthday.



George Walker Bush adds up to 177 in English. Multiply by 3 = 531



the "mirror" of 531 is 135. Both added together = 666. The Washington monument is a mirror of 555<>555, for example:

5
5
5
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5
5
5

555 x 4 x 3 = 6660<>0666 (a double 6660, or 13320)

5
3
1
~~~~~~(water)
1
3
5

The two 1's and the water would form an "X" therefore 53X35 which looks like the Greek "XES"


One of President Bush's first actions as president was to enforce the confiscation of church property in Indianapolis for not paying their TAXES


"Ye shall know them by their fruits" "he who does not gather with me scatters"
mmddll
3 Pennsylvania counties alongside 4 WV counties: Greene, Washington, and Beaver (GWB)



I just now discovered this...strange!



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4 counties WV side| 3 counties PA side....4|3
mmddll
11:44 pm where I am at.
mmddll
QUOTE(mmddll @ Jan 7 2007, 11:21 PM) [snapback]98078[/snapback]
3 Pennsylvania counties alongside 4 WV counties: Greene, Washington, and Beaver (GWB)



I just now discovered this...strange!



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4 counties WV side| 3 counties PA side....4|3




the northern panhandle of WV would be GWB's "pinky"



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There are 27 bones in the human hand, 14 of which extend beyond the palm. There are 8 carpal, 5 meta-carpal, and 14 phalanges.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wnor/lesson5palmofhand.htm

mmddll
The word "pinky" adds up to 75. 75 divided by 555 = 0.135135135135...

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This represents the "pinky" of the northern panhandle of WV (my opinion)



0.75 as a fraction is 3/4

If you drew a circle around this picture, with the base of the obelisk as the radius, it would form the peace symbol originally associated with the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament movement (CND)

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Ironically, the four counties in the northern panhandle spell the acrostic H-B-O-M (as I mentioned earlier)



I don't know how much of this article is truth, but it is one explanation of this symbol which debunks the idea of an occult or antichristian origin.
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/~lcushing/addp...bolArticle.html

Psalm 120

A song of ascents.
1 I call on the LORD in my distress,
and he answers me.

2 Save me, O LORD, from lying lips
and from deceitful tongues.
3 What will he do to you,
and what more besides, O deceitful tongue?
4 He will punish you with a warrior's sharp arrows,
with burning coals of the broom tree.
5 Woe to me that I dwell in Meshech,
that I live among the tents of Kedar!
6 Too long have I lived
among those who hate peace.
7 I am a man of peace;
but when I speak, they are for war.



Peace sign creates stir

(psalm 120 commentary befitting the above article "peace sign creates stir")



(don't worry, I'm not an ACLU loving liberal, but I don't give GWB a "free pass", either...that's just how I am)

mmddll
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This Democratic stronghold - it has a Democratic governor, four out of its five members of Congress are Democrats, along with 70% of local representatives and two-thirds of the adult population who are registered to vote - nevertheless did the unthinkable at the last presidential election and came out in favour of George Bush (2). The history of the United States would have been very different if West Virginia had not broken with tradition last time.




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Banners in the front row of the meeting in Wheeling proclaimed "Steelworkers for Bush" or "W, like West Virginia". With a few friendly words of welcome a guy called Rick introduces "the man who saved steel, a man of steel, our president George Bush".The speech that follows is long and detailed. Bush leaves nothing out: education, welfare, coal, terrorism, Iraq, steel. He may have already said it 100 times but he triggers a particularly long ovation when he says: "I will never turn over our security concerns to other countries."





Le Monde Diplomatique LMD?

Man of Steel? Superman? Ubermensch? Man of Steal?
mmddll
The kingdom of God is at hand....

2007.14285

(2..7)..(1..4)..2..(8..5)

27 bones, 8,5,14, in 2 hands





"Will I be changed into a man?"

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http://www.bible-codes.org/mene-hand-bible-prophecy-code.htm

mmddll
(just throwing out some relatively unknown ideas)



There is some interesting history behind Manhattan. The name means "Island of many hills" (sounds like the woman who sits on 7 hills) Notice also the states of Virginia and Maryland, named after the Virgin Mary (see edit). The Island of Manhattan was discovered and named after the captain of a Dutch trading ship called "Halve Maen" which means "half moon". 42 months is 42 "moon cycles" which is half of 7 years (2520 days of the prophetic 360/day year). The ship was in search of an alternative "western route" to China.

edit: actually I was wrong. Virginia was named after the "Virgin Queen" Elizabeth I

Maryland was named after Henrietta Maria, Queen Consort of Charles I. (source= wikipedia)

The first responders of 9/11 were on a call to investigate a gas leak (that smelly Manhattan) when the 1 and only video was captured of the first plane attack. This is seen in the Naudet brothers commemorative video.



The merchant ship Halve Maen landed at Manhattan on 9/11/1609, 302 years earlier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan#History



The ancient map of Manhattan looks like a finger tip!



P.S. Signet, please provide a link to the thread you mentioned. I can't find it.



mmddll
western route to China?



"O' Persia, they afflicted me! I will sleep the sleep of death.

I will be divided asunder!

Yet as a Lamp, I will not sleep his death, O' China!"

http://www.bible-codes.org/mene-world-trad...-bible-code.htm

mmddll
The merchant ship Halve Maen landed at Manhattan on 9/11/1609, 302 years earlier



oops, how embarrassing! I'm posting all of this math and I made a big booboo. It should be 392 years instead of 302. Oh well, I'm just an average bear.

signet

............it's ok lawson............opps! i'm laughing....
mmddll
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mmddll
Wierd, it looks like four fingers and a thumb could fit in it. This all has to do with hands...strange. Do you see how this all connects, signet?



I don't really know exactly what to make of it except God knows the end from the beginning and this shows how God's Spirit moves in everything, even those who disobey, for His ultimate purpose.



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mmddll
"He who does not gather with me scatters" (see Matthew 12)

Genesis 10:22-25
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22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.


Genesis 11:1-9
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1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name (shem), lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.


Genesis 11:10-26
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10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.


If you add it all up, it is 1946 years from Adam to Abram (Abraham) and 390 years from Shem to Abram

verse 10=100 years
verse 12= 35
verse 14= 30
verse 16= 34
verse 18= 30
verse 20= 32
verse 22= 30
verse 24= 29
verse 26= 70

total years from birth of Shem = 390



There is a parallel to Ezekiel chapter 4 and the punishments of Israel (390) and Judah (40) with the (then) coming seige of Jerusalem. It seems as though history is repeating itself (the Roadmap and the "quartet")

Our United States 'gubment' has been selling weapons to Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority "Fatah" (Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade)

QUOTE

The senior IDF officials fear some of the American aid, weapons and equipment slated to be provided to the Palestinians will be used to attack the Jewish state, according to defense sources.

The Israeli army officials have petitioned to make their objections public in conversations with American and European diplomats, defense sources said. "We are being pressured from the (Israeli) political echelon not to interfere with American plans to provide weapons and equipment to Fatah," said a senior IDF source. "The concerns are that the weapons and equipment will be shared with elements of Fatah that regularly attack Israeli troops and plan attacks against Israeli civilians."
....

The Bush administration reportedly will grant $86.4 million to strengthen the Fatah forces, including Force 17, Abbas' security detail, which also serves as de facto police units in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
....

WND has learned the new unified Fatah forces, currently being set up in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, are set to include leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror organization from Nablus and Jenin in the northern West Bank and from the Brigade's leadership in the Palestinian city of Ramallah. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is the declared "military wing" of Fatah. Together with Islamic Jihad, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing in Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis. The Brigades also has carried out scores of deadly shooting and rocket attacks against Israeli civilians in recent months.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=53816



"...to make a name for ourselves..."

mmddll
Thanks signet, I shall take a look... wub.gif

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Messiahiscoming
QUOTE(mmddll @ Jan 20 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]99520[/snapback]
"He who does not gather with me scatters" (see Matthew 12)

Genesis 10:22-25
QUOTE
22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.
23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.
24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber.
25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.


Genesis 11:1-9
QUOTE
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name (shem), lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.


Genesis 11:10-26
QUOTE

10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.


If you add it all up, it is 1946 years from Adam to Abram (Abraham) and 390 years from Shem to Abram

verse 10=100 years
verse 12= 35
verse 14= 30
verse 16= 34
verse 18= 30
verse 20= 32
verse 22= 30
verse 24= 29
verse 26= 70

total years from birth of Shem = 390



There is a parallel to Ezekiel chapter 4 and the punishments of Israel (390) and Judah (40) with the (then) coming seige of Jerusalem. It seems as though history is repeating itself (the Roadmap and the "quartet")

Our United States 'gubment' has been selling weapons to Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority "Fatah" (Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade)

QUOTE

The senior IDF officials fear some of the American aid, weapons and equipment slated to be provided to the Palestinians will be used to attack the Jewish state, according to defense sources.

The Israeli army officials have petitioned to make their objections public in conversations with American and European diplomats, defense sources said. "We are being pressured from the (Israeli) political echelon not to interfere with American plans to provide weapons and equipment to Fatah," said a senior IDF source. "The concerns are that the weapons and equipment will be shared with elements of Fatah that regularly attack Israeli troops and plan attacks against Israeli civilians."
....

The Bush administration reportedly will grant $86.4 million to strengthen the Fatah forces, including Force 17, Abbas' security detail, which also serves as de facto police units in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
....

WND has learned the new unified Fatah forces, currently being set up in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, are set to include leaders of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror organization from Nablus and Jenin in the northern West Bank and from the Brigade's leadership in the Palestinian city of Ramallah. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is the declared "military wing" of Fatah. Together with Islamic Jihad, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing in Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis. The Brigades also has carried out scores of deadly shooting and rocket attacks against Israeli civilians in recent months.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=53816



"...to make a name for ourselves..."





This is very interesting! I am going to have to recheck this passage in Ezekiel. I agree with the History repeating itself. I see it throughout the scriptures. I just made a comment about this today in another thread.





http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?a...sult_type=posts



What you say merits looking at, but let us not forget that when we are told of Babylon in the NT that it refers to "MYSTERY BABYLON" if it were not such a mystery then why did John refer to it this way?

My conclusion is that it is because it is not Ancient Babylon.

Whether or not America is "Mystery Babylon" remains to be seen, but I think that one can gather that the scripture in Revelation is not referring to Babylon. When looking at this passage through these lenses, one can see the parallels from other scriptures references in the OT of Ancient Babylon.

I certainly think that the scriptures in the OT speak of Ancient Babylon. Yet as with many other Prophetic passages there are multiple layers. I believe that they have 2 fold meanings, past history also the bigger endtime scenerio/ future.

With this in mind we know that even in the sense of "Mystery Babylon" John references Babylon. Why is this? I feel to draw from these comparrison, and see the similarities with AB. I think that one cannot come to a conclusion of who this endtime player is unless viewed through theses lenses and a strong study of Ancient Babylon is pursued.

Personally I think that Mystery Babylon encompasses much more than just America; but I do think that She is a Mostly the Big Player. If it were not a mystery and the Lord was speaking of Babylon then why did He not just say Babylon?

As for all of the other discussion that have went on here I have no clue. I have studied the Mason thing and the Conspiracy thing and honestly I have no idea? Just a few thoughts from little ole me.
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He knows the end from the beginning! All we have to do is look back and we can see the unfolding of these latter days! It is repeating!



Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:



I am anxious to see the Lord about what you have found.



Thanks for sharing this with us.

Val

Messiahisocming

mmddll
You're welcome Val. Yes, I realize "Mystery Babylon" encompasses the entire globe, but she is also "central" to the wealth of kings who will cry from far off when they see the judgment of her (when they see her burning), which implies that she is not located just anywhere and everywhere, but that she will be seen from a distance as she burns. She is burned by the beast and false prophet, and then she is judged by God's wrath a final time.



This is something I wanted to include with my last post about the $86.4 million aid given to terrorists by our "gubment welfare" cheese-for-brains led by Conned-a-cheese-and-Rice Secretary of welfare-State:



QUOTE(mmddll @ Dec 19 2006, 07:34 PM) [snapback]96040[/snapback]
QUOTE("mmddll")
if you divide 144000 by 666 it comes to 216.216216 (216 is 6 cubed)





Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.
Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him 144,000, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.


Matthew 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men.


parallel
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Myth of Al Aqsa



Now, we all should be aware by now that the United States has joined the U.N., E.U., and Russia, better known as the "Quartet" to implement a thing called the "Roadmap to peace"



Let's do a little math:



$86.4 million divided four ways (since this is a "quartet" operation from the getgo) is
$21.6 million



how peculiar?



Is it God's will, or the Testimony of Jesus Christ, that we should betray Israel as a nation?

mmddll
WND AT THE WHITE HOUSE
President's spokesman answers WND reader's question
Snow says Fatah leader gave assurances about weapons use
Posted: January 18, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern




© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com




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White House spokesman Tony Snow

The president believes assurances from the leader of the Fatah party that aid and weapons being supplied by the United States to create a Middle East security force will not be turned against Israel, according to a spokesman.

The response came to a question submitted by a WND reader, "paulpucket," on the website's WND's MR. PRESIDENT! forum, which allows readers to submit questions for the daily White House press briefings with spokesman Tony Snow.

The question from "paulpucket" referred to a WND report that a unified Palestinian security force financed, armed and trained by the United States is set to include members of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, one of the most active, anti-Israel terror organizations.



The story said a spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees – a major Palestinian terror group – also pledged in a WND interview to infiltrate U.S. training programs for Palestinians and to obtain American weapons provided to Palestinian forces.

On her visit to the Middle East last week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters the U.S. will ensure weapons and aid reportedly being provided to militias affiliated with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party will not be used to attack Israel.

The reader's question was: "Why do we continue to give aid to un-civilized people? When will we discern these people do not want peace but to wipe the State of Israel off the map and continually fire their rockets into Israel and smuggle arms from Eygpt thru tunnels often as they can get away with it…"

The question was asked at the press briefing by Les Kinsolving, WND's correspondent at the White House, who added some background information:

"WorldNetDaily's Jerusalem correspondent reports Secretary of State Rice telling reporters that the United States will ensure that weapons and the $86 million provided to militias affiliated with Fatah will not be used to attack Israel. My first question, how does the president believe this is possible when the military wing of Fatah is al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, which together with Islamic Jihad has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing in Israel in the past two years, including the killing of U.S. teenager Daniel Wultz?" Snow said that he believes that Hamas, another faction in the Palestianian dispute, "has been fairly actively engaged … in acts of terror."

(source continued...)

Messiahiscoming

Genesis 12:2-4

2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.



We might want to start bracing for some rough waters ahead if this is a fact! I see a storm coming.



Interesting that someone else brought up Bill Koenig's Book "Eye to Eye" This week. It is a really good book. It is an account of the consequences of Natural Occurances after a major decision to go against Israel takes place. Everytime that the US has been involved in parting Israel's land something occurs. Anyway thanks for the heads up!



Your Friend in Christ,
Valerie

Messiahiscoming

mmddll
Your welcome. Thanks for posting that verse, also. It appears that Ezekiel 38 & 39 is about to unfold...
mmddll
The Gog/Magog War



http://www.11th-hour.info/Articles/The_Gog_Magog_War.html

mmddll
But as the days of Noah were...
mmddll
thanks sister 1dsz5e4.gif



mmddll
Wow! that's just what you wrote to me earlier!



Is it a confirmation, or instruction? Help me understand...



http://www.thebestlife.net/go-on.htm



Check your email and look at the time stamp on my last post (above) (now this post)



1 Kings 19

well, it did say 01:19 but my new post merged with this one for some reason, and it changed. But it did say 01:19 pm.
mmddll
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This happened before at 01:19 pm in another thread...about numbers (and Senteami wrote a book about them!)

http://twighlightzone.home.worldnet.att.ne...oard/119_pm.jpg



(you can get the address of the post in the picture)
Or click "here"
signet
it is both...

my time 11:11 am
mmddll
3 witnesses...water, spirit, blood and they agree....but the greatest of these is love (faith, hope, love)
mmddll
Signet,

How many days was it between the "two witnesses" of 01:19 pm that I showed you earlier? (the post about 1 Kings 19)



http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry104149



and what is today? and what will be airing on Discovery Channel today?

signet
ok, i don't watch TV, so don't know what is on...
if i hear of something good, like the recent movie
'one night with the king, then i will try to watch it...
i actually saw that one twice...

(you posted yesterday at 11:33 3/3/2007)

now, i am not sure what your are asking...are you talking about
the scripture verse...

1Kings 19

Elijah went a days journey into the wilderness...and he slept...(1)?
and the angel came back a second time...and told him to arise...(2)?

then he went 40 days and 40 nights...on the strength of the angel food,

to the mountain of the Lord...

and the Lord spoke and told him to anoint Elisha


is this what you mean? like 42?

and of the mantle, yes, too.


3/4/2007
mmddll
Well, that's not what I had in mind, but good job. actually it's 41



I posted that picture in Senteami's thread on January 12th. Today March 4th, the exact same thing happened with the same time of 01:19. (check out the links)



There are 41 days from 1/12/2007 to 3/4/2007



According to my calculations, Jesus was crucified, buried, and resurrected 4141 years after the creation of Adam which was 2020 years after the death of Abraham.



Elijah was "taken up" bodily by God, so was Jesus resurrected and GLORIFIED. He did not rot in an "ossuary".



Today on 3/04/2007, the Discovery Channel will air the blasphemous "The Lost Tomb of Jesus" documentary. (I don't watch t.v. either, although I used to about 1 or 2 years ago. I've given it up like the filthy habit it is)



Look at what holiday today is

Hebcal Jewish calendar



QUOTE('signet')
ok, i don't watch TV, so don't know what is on...
if i hear of something good, like the recent movie
'one night with the king, then i will try to watch it...
i actually saw that one twice...


(do you realize the synchronization that just took place? Purim...Esther..."One Night With The King"...who's speaking?!! Can a dead man in an ossuary speak?)



Remember the "all by myself" discussion? Should I explain it here?



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