I've asked plenty of people and it turns out I've asked plenty of the wrong people. What is "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit"? I currently have the understanding that this sin is unforgivable. Which doesn't make too much sense being that Jesus died for ALL sins.

On another note: Did Jesus ever say he was to die for the atonement of sins? Please site a passage when you find it.

ASAWR

Hi Brandino and welcome.
I've heard alot about this malicious discusting and completely innappropriate action (blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT (Most Merciful Most Compassionate)).
I don't know if you're familiar with the story of JESUS (MMMC) and the pharisees, but in that story, JESUS (MMMC) was (falsly) accused of (in the healthiest language i can use) "not being of GOD (MMMC) and instead being of the opposite." In other words, the Pharisees made the completely false claim that JESUS (MMMC) was the enemy of GOD instead of HIS Son.
My belief about the question whether or not it is forgiveable is that when JESUS (MMMC) said that "you won't be forgiven", i think HE meant that anyone who has sunk that low is simply too proud to renounce their claims and ask for forgiveness.
In a nutshell, the sin is, openly preaching against CHRIST'S (MMMC) divinity in an attempt to undermine the Christian world.
Earlier this year, i myself had a terrible time coming to grips with this sin, because i constantly thought i had committed it. For example, i had voices in my head speaking these blasphemous words and when i told myself over and over again that JESUS (MMMC) is good, the words were muddled up and i felt as if i said the complete opposite thing. But really, i now know that i can't of committed such a crime because i have never preached against GOD (MMMC) or even believed in the false statements of the Pharisees.

WAS

This two link will fulfill your question :-

1. http://www.gotquestions.org/unpardonable-sin.html
2. http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html

Thank you guys. How about the second question? Did Jesus, not the writers of the new testament, ever say that the reason he would die on the cross was to atone for the sin of mankind? Or was that thought conceived by the writers of the new testement? Thank you in advance.

It is funny how God works, for as I was arising from my bed a half an hour ago, I was compelled to think upon this very subject. Before I saw this thread by newbie Brandino...I had my mind set to start a post and my initiative was to be just this...

(copied from that link provided) http://www.gotquestions.org/blasphemy-Holy-Spirit.html


"Although there is no blasphemy of the Spirit today, we should always keep in mind there is an unpardonable state of existence--the state of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy. Remember what is stated in John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life." The only condition when someone would have no forgiveness is if that someone is not among the "whoever believes in Him."

I truly think that is the epitomy of the unpardonable sin....Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I think this verse is focal in that premise...

Hi Brandino:



If you want an understanding what Christ is talking about, then let’s gain some context from the verses around this one:



Christ’s lesson above these words is about the casting out of demons and the kingdom of God coming upon them (Matthew 12:28). Christ here is teaching Messianic Kingdom Jews (Israel ONLY; Matt. 15:24) in context to gathering disciples into the kingdom of God, and specifically of His work and that of the Holy Spirit. Remember, again, that He is speaking specifically to Jews of the Messianic Kingdom and that He was offering them the ‘gospel of the kingdom.’ Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 24:14. If you do not understand the difference between the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ and Paul’s ’word of the cross’ (1Cor. 1:18) gospel of Christ’s death, burial and resurrection (1Cor. 15:1-4), and redemption in His blood (Eph. 1:7, Col. 1:20), then this post will make zero sense. First, see my thread here:

Gospels Thread >> http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=9120

Christ was not the first to begin preaching the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ to Israel only (Matt. 10:5-7, 15:24). That was first done by John the Baptist, who was sent from God (John 1:6). What you see in the Four Gospels is God the Father offering the gospel of the kingdom through John and the baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins (Matt. 3:1-6, Mark 1:4+5). Then along comes the Son right behind him, again, offering the ‘gospel of the kingdom.’ Matthew 4:17 (23). John the Baptist (from the Father) and Christ (The Son Himself) are ‘gathering,’ according to Christ’s words up there in Matthew 12:30. Who do you suppose is going to come along next and offer this same ‘Good News Concerning the Kingdom of God’ (Acts 8:12)? That’s right, the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1) is going to offer the only “gospel” of the Four Gospels for the third and final time as the “Helper” of John 16:7. Note carefully that Christ must go, for the Helper to come:



Israel failed to recognize John the Baptist as Elijah AND Christ was crucified on the Cross (Matthew 17:12), but the Holy Spirit still came at Pentecost to begin the third and final offering of the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ to Israel only (Acts 2:14, 22, 36). Israel was allowed to ‘speak a word’ against John the Baptist and Christ (“Crucify Him!” “Crucify Him!” Matt. 27: 22+23) and be forgiven. However, Almighty God is dealing with Israel in the same way that Nolan Ryan dealt with batters in baseball. Israel did not recognize John the Baptist as Elijah, and did to him whatever they wished (Matt. 17:12) - strike one. Israel rejected the Lord of Lords and King of Kings by using Gentiles to crucify Him - strike two. However, if the people of Israel rejected the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ through this ministry of the Holy Spirit beginning at Pentecost, then “three strikes and you are out!” Israel’s ‘transgresssion’ (Romans 11:11 = three strikes = Holy Spirit = third strike) is why Jerusalem and the Temple were leveled to the ground in 70 AD and the Messianic Kingdom has been held in abeyance for the past 2000 years.

This blasphemy of the Holy Spirit does not apply to members of the body of Christ (Eph. 3:2 = that's us) today saved by God's grace through faith apart from works. You and I can ‘grieve the Holy Spirit’ (Eph. 4:30), but nobody already “IN” Christ Jesus with a life hidden with Christ “IN GOD” (Col. 3:3) can possibly reject the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ through the ministry of the Holy Spirit. That is a dispensational teaching of Christ that pertains to Israel of the flesh called to the Kingdom of God on earth during the Four Gospels and Acts.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

I believe that refusing to accept God's message (thus implying that he is a liar) is the unforgiven sin.

Revelation 21:8; the unbelievers will have their part in the lake of fire, which is the second death...

God is truth, and the Pharisees who knew the scriptures refused to believe Jesus was God in the flesh. They proved it by accusing him of being what he was NOT...

The unforgiveable sin is the same as the mark of the beast 666. Anyone who recieves the mark of the beast or his name in their right hand or forehead will be cast into the lake of fire. This is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (calling evil good and good evil)

Many will come saying "Lord Lord" in His name declaring many wonderful works and you probably know what Jesus' response is...(because they did not feed, clothe, heal, visit, etc...but did just the opposite)



Concerning the mission of Jesus on the cross, John the Baptist declared it when he said "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" which is a direct reference to the passover lamb. Jesus made a reference to his crucifixion to Peter, in which Peter refused to hear it which prompted Jesus to say "Get behind me Satan!" (look it up)



If you beleive Jesus is God (the Word made flesh), don't you believe the "Word of God" is Jesus' words? And who is the Holy Spirit, anyway (rhetorical question)?



And what about the last supper. What could Jesus have meant by "this is my body, this is my blood" if not that He would be the passover sacrifice Himself (His own words)? He challenges us to study and think, which is why He never came right out and said these things plainly. He's looking for Bereans, not Jim Jones initiates (my opinion) His sheep "hear His voice" (they study and do the math, in faith)

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.



Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Job 28

12But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
13Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.
14The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.
15It cannot be gotten for gold, neither shall silver be weighed for the price thereof.

I believe that which is being bought and sold in Revelation 13 is a false "wisdom and understanding" based on carnal and sensual knowledge devoid of the Holy Spirit. We see it all around us in every culture and every social status (great and small, rich and poor, free and bond). Only God's word (Holy Spirit) can shed light on it. Consider the conversation Jesus had with Nicodemus (born of the Spirit).

Amused To Death?

matt 12-31-32 anyone who speaks against the son of man it will be forgiven him but who ever speaks against THE HOLY SPIRIT it will not be forgiven him either in this age or the age to come blasphemy

THE BIBLE makes it very clear

I believe THE BIBLE

UNPARDONABLE SIN Blasphemy

matt 12-31-32 anyone who speaks against the son of man it will be forgiven him but who ever speaks against THE HOLY SPIRIT it will not be forgiven him either in this age or the age to come .

YESHUA said that, woe to those who deni what YESHUA said. You are making a false religion with those statements. You may have committed Blasphemy with those statements.

They found Matt written in Hebrew.

Some very "brave" posters in here. Yes there is The Unpardonable Sin. No YESHUA didn't get rid of it and why anyone would think it was as good today as back then is beyond me. What else in The New Testament do you think is not good today?

By the way I noticed some of my posts aren't in this forum. If thats the way this forum works , just let me know and I won't come back.

I believe blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is simply NOT TO BELIEVE ITS MESSAGE (in other words, REJECT it); Since God cannot lie...

EXCELLENT LINK (scroll down the page; they will speak about the Pharisees);
In essence, the webmaster says that ANY RELIGION, OR CULT that TWISTES or REWRITES, or MISINTERPRET the Bible to fit their DOCTRINE OF MAN is guilty of "Pharisianism".

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...ficial%26sa%3DN




Welcome Jamie!

ALL sin is forgivable. the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of the salvation provided to us.

Are you saying then that "blashpemy of the Holy Spirit" is rejection of salvation? Clearly scripture says there is one unforgable sin and that is blashpemy of the Holy Spirit, whatever it may turn out to be. There IS that unforgivable sin.....everything but that is forgivable.

Quite frankly, that is the first topic my youth group wanted to study....probably to see if they were still OK because they are plagued by guilt at that age. It is an important question to those who are questioning themselves.

But I say to you, ifyou are questioning whether you have committed the "unforgivable sin" of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, no matter what you consider it to be, you undoubtably have not for two reasons:

1) God is still drawing you closer to Him and he would not taunt people.

2) That you care enough to consider it out of fear and trembling shows a marked desire of the heart to be close to God. Who could have that heart condition and commit such a thing that grieves the Father so (whatever it may be)? Even if we do something is stupidity, humans who do not have the heart condition could not. In my estimation.

I say, for whatever it is worth, fix yourself on doing good and doing bad is not an issue. And we DO have the power over sin if we choose to use that power.

leia

Revelation 13 gives us more insight into the unforgiveable sin.



1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.



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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life."

if I conclude to what you said then there is an error in John 3:16 or a clause should of been added. So let's clarify what this unforgivable sin maybe so to do so we have to read it in its context.

here is the story (let's not try to pick lines and conclude things):
Mark 12:20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
22And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub[c]! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."

23So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

30He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."


So Christ took a stance in saying that all those miracles and wonders He was doing was through the power of the Holy Spirit. If anyone speaks "bad" upon the Holy Spirit then He will not be forgiven. It's fair to conclude that the blasphemy was vocal because Christ says "how can I be Satan and be casting out myself?" So this is obvious that rumors were spreading that He was using black magic or something evil of the sort. We know He was not. Thus brings in the blasphemy He was talking about.
Can we do that type of blasphemy now? No, because He is gone and He is not physically here doing miracles with the Holy Spirit.
The only unforgivable sin that can cause our eternal damnation is not believing in Jesus Crist and accepting Him as our saviour.

again:
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life."
John 1:9 " If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


God bless

If you would go beyond John 3:16 and post it in it's full context, it would drive home your point that you made:

John 3
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


This perhaps ties in to the good fruit/bad fruit scenario "ye shall know them by their fruit"

AGREE...

thanks
i think we're on the same page more than not.

i think its just the rejection of truth which in turn would lead to damnation which is unfogivable because forgivness is not assked.

I have a simple mind about some things...

if you believe Jesus, you will find forgiveness of all your sins, because He stands in your stead.

if you don't believe Jesus - you will not find forgiveness. He isn't your Advocate.

An unpardonable sin... a sin that Jesus cannot cover... He cannot cover you if you do not believe in Him.

So when the Holy Spirit testifies Jesus Christ to you - and you choose to never ever believe (you die in your sins), then Jesus cannot be your advocate, and He cannot intercess for you... unpardonable.

and in my simple mind... there is only one sin... that would be to not believe Jesus, the atoning Redeemer.

Yes Dani I like your simple mind, and I agree with it 100%



Your Friend in Christ,

Val

Messiahiscoming

Me, too. I also agree.

In Christ, Angela

I have heard this and one more explaination and this has always made more sense to me too.

The other would be that one acepts Jesus not only in believing in Him, because even Satan know Jesus is God's Son, but accepting Him as Lord and Master of your existence....and then turning from Him and repeatedly doing wrong.

problem I have always had with the second is....who would do that? How could one do that? I mean if you really knew Him....could you walk away from the truth? Satan did. But did he (I am arguing with myself, forgive me). perhaps Satan never accepted Him in the first place. How can you find peace and then go searching for peace? Anyway, that is the other blasphemy of the Holy Spirit view I have heard. Said because the Holy Spirit comes to reside in you and says "I will never leave you" and then you take Him with you when you sin, "grieving His Spirit". I can understand that theoritically but it doesn't seem like it can actually physically exist.

Your explaination seems best. And simple is alot more fun. Be good and then be happy.

leia

I think faith has an enormous latitude. Interesting that it takes the faith of the size of a mustard seed to remove a mountain... and "though I had all faith, so as to remove mountains - and have not charity... I am nothing "

I don't know that any of us truly knows the filling amount of the Spirit...

some years, days, weeks, hours - we are really good... some aren't as good...

I think if one turns... really makes bad decisions... really starts to blow it - that the Lord will pull you out of the "game".

Even Paul defines some levels...

seeing thru a glass darkly,

face to face - which is "knowing in part"

but then "shall I know as even also I am known" - when that which is perfect is come...

We, humans in this existence, are on a different playing field than the one satan is on. We live by faith. And most of us fight those Eph 6 battles... by our faith, filled with the Spirit, wielding the word of God. Fiery darts of the wicked being quenched by faith.




I think he never accepted Jesus in the first place... lucifer had that pride - that desire to be worshipped as God. Lucifer was a created thing. In fact, sciptures tell me, Lucifer was created by Jesus. Undoubtedly Lucifer knew that - just as we know we are created. he fell... that pride. That first sin... And the first commandment to the children of Israel.

Lucifer not accepting Jesus doesn't have much to do with faith, cuz he knew the Lord who is perfect.

All of our (my) listening to God is thru the Holy Spirit... Jesus had to leave - so that He could send the Comforter... (it's interesting to develop that discernment of knowing whom the Spirit is representing, that whisper, or the Son, or The Father... )

"when that which is perfect is come" - what a day that'll be...

that latitude of faith...

Recently, the Lord, who is so good to us, allowed me to see, and gave me a real understanding of what the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is, and I was wondering if the Lord might be showing someone else what it truly is.

It is not what probably most of us thought it to be.

Whenever I would read these verses:

Matthew 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.


I always had an interpretation that I was either given by someone, or one that I thought sounded
logical to me, but no matter how logical the explanation sounded, I always knew or felt that the explanation was somehow in error and It just didnt sit well with me, so I would continue to look into it on and off over the years.

Lately Ive been doing a study of the Gospels, Matthew in particular and the Lord has shown me something quite amazing and wonderful.

Well anyway, I thought that the Lord may be revealing this to others, and wanted to see if in fact He is.

Happy Thanksgiving and many blessings to all here on the forum.

In Jesus Christ,
Chris

Hi Chris,
I myself also have really struggled with that particular passage in the Bible, I do believe it is the only place where such a warning is written. I studied about this as well for a long time, but each time I felt like I might be getting close to what it means...there began to feel like a pressure or wall, almost literally, so I always stepped back and figured perhaps He is not ready for me to know, or perhaps it is better that I do not know? I know one thing, I am careful as I know how to be and I pray to ask Him to forgive my ignorances if I've ever offended Him or spoken vain idle words, which I'm sure that I do..

About the only thing I've felt could be treading in the danger zone is blaming Him for things that are evil? I've had so many thoughts on this, but as you stated, none that really appeared to be the truth with respect to the warning. So I would be very appreciative to hear what Yahshua has revealed unto you, perhaps it is time...
Much love Always in Yahshua our Messiah,
M.

Hi Selah,
First, put to rest any fear that you might have that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit might have something to do with blaming God for things that are evil at some point in your life.
Praises to Yehashua (sp?) that if we repent, trusting and believing in Him, He forgives us.

Its almost 1am, and though I would really like to write in detail what this is about right now, I have to get up really early and put in the Turkey etc...
Im not trying to build suspense or anything, lol... Its just that there is so much to cover to give a real complete picture of it.
So, as the Lord allows me, I'll return tomorrow after the big meal is over and post.

More blessings in Christ alone,
Chris

I forgot!! It's TG I'm doing turkey on Sunday. When you feel ready & comfortable to share, I will listen/read. Happy Thanks and joyful Giving
G'Night.

My understanding of the "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" is that it is the one unforgiveable sin. Only one of God's elect can commit this sin for it is only they that will be delivered up in the end of days....when the abomination is here.

Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess Me before men shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

12:9 But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgive him: but unto him that BLASHPHEMETH AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST IT SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN.

12:11 And when they bring you into the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say.

It is repeated in the Olivet Prophecies:

Matthew 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for My sake, FOR A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM and the Gentiles.

10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in THAT SAME HOUR what ye shall speak.

10:20. For it is not ye that speak, but the SPIRIT OF YOUR FATHER WHICH SPEAKETH IN YOU.


Mark 3:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, FOR A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM.

13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: for whatsoever shall be given you in THAT HOUR, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the HOLY GHOST.

During that time, when delivered up....to refuse to go, to deny Christ, to worship the fake christ or to premeditate what you will say and not allow the Holy Spirit to speak through you is the unforgiveable sin. That is the blasphemy. For allowing His Spirit to testify through us is the event that will bring many souls to Him. It is the destiny of His elect.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

2:32 And it shall come to pass, that WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE DELIVERED: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.


edited for bad spelling....sorry.

First I just want to say that there is truth in what you are saying here WW.

But, though part of what you are saying is truth, its getting a little muddled in the bulk of what you are saying.

I'll try and clarify..

But first, please dont take offence that Im trying to give some correction to what you are saying,
Its a very difficult teaching and for years I was wrong in my thinking on it, also there are many, MANY pastors and mature-life-long christians that are teaching incorrectly teaching this doctrine.

I was recently listening to a man that I greatly respect, you may have heard of him,
John MacArthur. His doctrine on this subjest is not correct!

And I firmly believe that we can study the Word of God every waking minute for 40 years and it is only when the Holy Spirit comes to open our eyes and give understanding that we truly can understand.

Yes, as you have stated, It does very much have to do with the words that we speak as Christians, but it is not so much that when a Christian is delivered up to councils and they speak the wrong words or do not speak when the Holy Spirit tells them to, that they will be condemned by God for.

These things: not speaking when we ought to or not giving the words that the Holy Spirit gives us, can be forgiven if we repent and ask the Lord to forgive.

As the Lord allows, I'll write more later.

Gotta check the Turkey!!
Blessings on this Thanksgiving day!!

In Christ alone,
Chris

Of course I won't take offense. You have a very pleasant manner of correcting. And....when I hear the Holy Spirit explain, either through suddenly SEEING the written Word myself or HEARING a truth from another I recognize it as a truth,( if He wants me to at that time.) I may not be ready for that truth and it may take a few knocks on the head to understand but something clicks.

So, enjoy your cooking, your meal and your family as I will mine. I look forward to hearing what you have been shown.

Reading through this thread I realised there was a member Terral that I conversed with about 3 years ago on another forum! How ironic!

Anyway...one of my concerns goes back to the thread I started about "how do we know that what we stand for is truth" I forgot the exact title but there was a very legitimate reason why I started that thread, but it got off track...nevertheless, How can there be so many versions/views on one Bible? I can fully understand various people, from various walks of life, having separate views, but some I've witnessed in this forum in particular are in direct opposition to oneanother. And to make the matter even more complicated,some of these individuals state that the Holy Spirit revealed this or that to them.

In short, I've been taught by Yahshua, not to be so quick these day's to say "The Holy Spirit revealed..." because there are other spirits working, we know this and we are warned and warned throughout Scripture, we are given way's to try and test the spirits to infact see if they are from God. There is absolutely nothing wrong with testing certain teachings and/or revelations to be sure we are listening to the Spirit of Truth...do you agree? For example I enjoyed listening to a certain Pastor via tapes that my aunt would send, and boy this man was witty! I remember my Mom and I listening to his sermons all week, and we were sitting across from eachother listening to one particular sermon and we looked straight at eachother and she got up and turned the tape off, we both knew there was something he was talking about that was in line with Scripture, yes, but twisted so we discussed the matter and went into the Word to try and test what this pastor was saying, and it turned out to be untruthful. Well we threw all the tapes away, but I pray for him. He said a lot of things that were helpful but we need to remember too that when Jesus was in the wilderness being tempted, satan used the Scriptures! And in fact in that particular chapter, there are some revealings that will help us today to understand how cunning satan is!

Compare:
Matthew 4:6
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Psalm 91:11-12
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Notice how satan used truth, but twisted it? This is what we need to watch for!

Ok so I got a little talkative... I look forward to discussing this further and await with patience to what Chris has to say regarding the topic.

Happy Thanksgiving Ya'll!!!

I completely agree that there are so many out there that say that the doctrine that they have is the "correct" doctrine. And many claim that what truth they have, came from God.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God

This scripture verse is filled with meaning.

There are some that can understand what Im about to say, as many that will read this will identify with it:

Once, when I was a new Christian, I was taken through many scripture verses by those that (for lack of a better word) discipled me.

There were many many doctrines that I was being taught, but they had no truth in them, even though the people that taught me were convinced that they were true, they were very far away from what the Lord was intending us to understand through His Word.

An easy example: In 1981?? I was shown this verse:
John 14:2
In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

A man that truly loved the Lord showed me that this verse meant that when we are in Christ, and die, we will go to heaven and have a literal "mansion" in heaven that the Lord had prepared for us.

For a number of years I completely believed and understood in my mind that what that man taught me was in the Word of God, so it was true!

But, as the years rolled by, and life became more and more complicated, mostly due to my own desire for sin, there came a time that I realized that I really never sought the Lord!

What had happened to me back in 1981 was that the Lord was mercifully convicting me by His Holy Spirit and He wanted me to SEEK HIM.

Instead, I was given a quick prayer to say (Rom 10:9-10) that I was told guaranteed my place in heaven and all I had to do now was to read my Bible and stay away from sin......

This is what has happened and is happening to so many that are not really sheep belonging to the Lord, but are goats that have an identity crisis and think they are sheep simply because they were told that they are.

So. as a result of what has been happening, and is still going on everywhere, people are not being told that they need to seek the Lord with all of there hearts, they are told that all they have to do is ask Jesus to come into their heart and then go to church and read their Bible..

Deuteronomy 4:29
But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Luke 11:9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

Acts 17:27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us

15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘ After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the LORD who does all these things.

There is no such thing as asking Jesus to come into your heart! There is seeking the Lord.

So, what Im saying here is that there are so many that have inherited bad doctrine and false belief,


There finally came a point in my own life that I wondered why I could not overcome sin and why everything was NOT working together for my good, considering I said "the prayer of faith" and asked Jesus to come into my heart...

One day, close to death in sin-related circumstances, I SOUGHT the LORD...

I sought Him with ALL of my heart and with every tear and every groan within me!
I begged and cried out to the Lord Jesus to truly forgive me and save me from the sinful death that surrounded me.

It was then that I knew, wasnt told... but KNEW that my redeemer truly lived in me and made His abode in me.

Then, as time went on, I began to read the Word of God, and as I came to old doctrines that I was taught, I was pricked inside and again knew that these things werent right, or from GOD!

I began to ask (Luke 11:9) and the Lord began to speak and bring understanding.

Then, it was no longer that I went to get teaching from someone that said they knew the Word, I went to the one that was the WORD!

Now, when doctrine is right, the Holy Spirit bears witness inside of me and and shows me that all scripture speaks to the truth of this doctrine.

And when doctrine is wrong, the Lord makes it known to me that it is wrong, and again scripture bears this out.

And when someone is teaching doctrine that I dont know if it is right, its very clear that the Spirit of God isnt making it clear and even though I may search to know what the scripture says, the Lord is the one that has to reveal it.

There are so many doctrines and doctrinal debates going on here that are strictly inherited knowledge,,, Inherited from yet another person that came up with his own theory and taught it to others.

The Word of God tells us that the Holy Spirit will lead us into ALL TRUTH, not men..

So, how do we know if what we have is the truth???


The Holy Spirit will bear witness in us that truly belong to the Father that what we speak is Truth.

Thanks M. for exploring this point further, its important and as I sat here writing this, I knew that the Lord wanted me to write this out.

Blessings to you in CHrist alone,
Chris

If you resist the devil that has blasphemed and he flees from you. Who then is guilty of blasphemy? He that is no longer with you or you?

Matthew 12
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.

James 4
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.








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Hi endtime,
Im not sure that I completely understand what it is that you are saying here. Maybe you could put it a different way?

In CHrist alone,
Chris

Chris,
I cannot thank you enough for sharing that with us here, I feel it was not only noble but also needed greatly! Needed for me, because I've lately been feeling and also saying to my family and friends and God, that my life has been a huge mess for too long. Whether I can pinpoint a person place or thing that has assisted in my mess, I mostly admit it was all me. Me for being so lazy in my walk with Messiah, that I found all the easy avenues and roads rather than actually seeking the straight and narrow. I was taught and believed that once I'm baptised, I'm saved! So I would do and say and act and behave in any manner I wanted to and still believe "Oh I'm saved". I shake my head and shutter at some of my past behaviours. Thankfully our Messiah has not returned as yet and is giving us this vital time to get ourselves right with Him. And that is my desire. And hopefully in the process of getting myself right and allowing Him to teach me and work with me, I too in return can assist others along the way.

You said here:


And this I can totally relate to, unfortunately and yet blessfully (if that's even a word) I believe that some people have to reach rock bottom in order to finally realise, the dark and lonely road they're on and actually cry out to the only one who can get them out of such a mess, which is Jesus Christ our Saviour Messiah God. I believe God knows our inward parts, just as the Word testifies, and therefore He knows also what it will take for us to turn to Him. I think that situations like the above are what make us so passionate today about Him, I guess some people would not necessarily understand such passion and misinterpret it as conceit or pompus, if they had no idea the road we were on prior to coming into the Truth?

You know what though Chris, we have to be confident in Him. If there is one place in my life where I have confidence, it is in His Word. I have to, because He has been my teacher these past several years. I realised how bad off I was and I literally set down with the Bible and asked Him to teach me of Him and His way's. And I feel that even if He's given me a small portion of Him, that is a ton to me! Compared to nothing! John I think even say's that if there were books written about everything that Yahshua had done, then there would not be enough room in the world to contain them. What I'm trying to say, is I personally do not feel that I have to know everything in that Bible in order to belong to Him or to be saved. But I do believe it is important to have discerment, so that we can spot a lie or a half truth, because as my Mom say's the enemy uses about 94% truth and 6% lie and it is the 6% lie part that can dampen/hinder our view of truth, isn't that crazy?

I'm ramblin...it's after 2AM and I do that especially when I get tired. But again, I just want to say thank you for being so giving. I know Yahshua works through others to reach another or many. But one thing is certain, everything we do pertaining to Him is purposed and never in vain and it's important to allow Him to work through us for His glory and good purpose. We have to be bold and confident in our faith in Him. And these day's I'm actually seeing that it is the professed Christians that actually will withstand such acts of faith..do you see that as well? When I've witnessed to an atheist the worst I've been called is crazy, but when I've discussed with a "Christian" I've been told I was conceited, overbearing, ignorant, puffed up, hate filled, too spiritual, not spiritual enough, proud, rude...I mean the list could go on and some of those from people in this forum That has honesty baffled my mind. I really think we are in the great tribulation, because I just cannot fathom a time worse than this, where everyone pretty well believes differently, yet everyone also believes they're right and anyone who does not believe as they do is wrong, period. No one seems willing to actually bend or break or say "OK, let me pray about this or research it more in the Scriptures etc.."??

My heart hurts a lot.

Sorry for venting a bit, if that's what it's called. If it helps, I do feel a little better

PS: Fantastic Scripture you provided! I can't seem to sleep, I just keep thinking how important it is especially for today, to seek Him, seek Him as we would seek something that was of the uttmost importance to us today. When we get to the end, it is a 100% guarantee that none of us will think we saught Him for nothing or in vain. We may have to tread through swamps, with snakes and alligators and then forests with lions and tigers and bears and then deserts with cactus and scorpions and extreme heat but eventually the promise is...we will get there and He not only will be waiting but will also reveal He walked with us all along.

G'Night ~

If I Cast a devil, who speaks against the Holy Spirit, out of a man. Is the man still guilty of what the devil said through the mans mouth?

When we walk in darkness and the light shines, doesn't the darkness flee? If you walk in the light of the Lord, will there ever be a place for the darkness again?


Mark 10
24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God!
25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, "Who then can be saved?"
27 But Jesus looked at them and said, "With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible."


Make the rich mans riches worthless, then he can enter.





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Wow Selah,

What a great post! You really have a grasp on what it is that is going on.

Yes, when we speak to so many people, that say that they are Christians, and we speak the Truth to them, even just speaking of our Love for the Lord to them, its amazing the response that we get sometimes.



I cant tell you how many times Ive been in a Christian gathering of some sort, and I begin to speak about the Lord, and go into the Word even a little, and peoples eyes begin to roll and Ive been told things like:

"Theres a time and a place for Bible study" or "not every conversation is about God"
or "heres John the baptist again" etc...

Or, ive begun to speak with a christian about some doctrine and they begin to get very offensive and say that they will not listen to any other teaching or discuss that particular scripture bacause
David Jeremiah has already settled and established that doctrine in their mind.???????

Where is being led by the Holy Spirit, and not David Jeremiah?

Part of what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is, is somewhat related to these kinds of behaviour.

Later today if the Lord allows me, I will finish writing this and go into greater detail.

One of the very important keys to what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is, can be found in the body of surrounding scripture, in Matthew.

In Christ alone,
Chris

The scripture text is this:

Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

Many people make it a point to call this “the unpardonable sin”.

And rightly so, but what they are calling an unpardonable sin, is in most peoples thinking a 1 time event, or a single sin that can be committed at an instant that God will never forgive, this is where the error comes in, and understanding of what it truly is, disappears.
An example is that people think that if you were to say something, to speak certain evil words to God or His Holy Spirit, then that might be this blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

The best place to begin with to see what it truly is, is to look closely at the ministry of Jesus Christ.

If you read through the 4 Gospel accounts, and begin to study all of the parables of Jesus Christ, you will find a constant theme that Jesus does not depart from.

What Jesus is always saying and never backing off of is the fact that the kingdom of heaven is always likened to something very specific!! And that specific theme is always the same; those that belong to the Lord God, and those that do not!

Those that are the sheep, vs those that are the goats,

Those that are wheat vs those that are tares,

Those that have the light and shine it vs those that have light but hide it in some way,

Those that are gathered in the dragnet and kept vs those that are gathered in the dragnet and discarded,

Those that are good soil that the seed grows well in vs those that are stoney ground that no seed can grow in,

Those that are dressed in a wedding garment vs those that are not wearing one and yet are trying to get into the wedding feast,

Those that have a talent and use it wisely vs those that hide it away,

Those that watch for the master vs those that say they are servants of the master and yet they do not watch for His return,

Those that are forgiven their debt and in return forgive others vs those that are forgiven and will not forgive others.
Of course there are more, but the point is made.

Its impossible to miss this very deliberate theme that Jesus continues on, and His description of the kingdom and what is really going on in it.

Im certain that no one that is a goat wants to really be a goat, and Im also certain that the goats do not think that they are goats, they think that they are as much in the sheepfold as the true sheep.

(this is why its so important to pay close attention to Paul as he tells us this:
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.)

Why bother to examine ourselves if all that we have to do is say a simple prayer of faith and ask Jesus Christ to come into our hearts??

As the Lord has been showing all of these things, He gave me something that is so important to see,
The 4 Gospel accounts are a continuous theme of the Good News of Jesus Christ, and how Jesus gives His life to us that we may have life, but, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and that “Good News” are filled with this one word: “IF”.

Here is an example:

John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

All of the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is conditional!!
Its conditional in that whoever comes to Jesus Christ is commanded by Jesus to deny himself and take up his cross and follow Him!

Now, I don’t want to get side tracked, but to keep with what is being said here, after the 4 Gospel accounts, and the fact that they are filled with Jesus giving us distinction between those that are sheep and those that are goats, we then go into The Acts of the Apostles and continuing through the rest of the epistles to the end of Jude, we see that all of these books have a main point and purpose as well, that is to teach us and give us a real understanding of what it is to be a sheep and certainly some warnings as well as what things to watch for as a sheep.

Then, in the Revelation, we see the penalties and judgements and the wrath of God that is coming on those that are saying that they are sheep, but are really goats, saying that they know Jesus Christ, and are His servants, but are liars! (there is also the judgement on those that do not profess to know God at all)

Which brings us back to the Gospel being conditional.

If you look closely at all of Matthew chapter 13, you find that Jesus gives no less than 7 parables, and if you look at them closely, you can again see that what He is teaching is that many come to Him, but not all are His.

And then at the end of Matthew 13, in verse 57, Jesus says:
A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.

“in His own country” : Here Jesus speaks of the promised land of Israel and the Jews that say that they know God, but as Jesus says, “they are of their father the devil” (John 8:44)

“in His own house” signifies those that say they are a part of the temple that is made without hands,
1 Peter 2:5
you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house,
And yet they deny the Lord in their works.

This is why Jesus also says in Matthew 13:52-
“Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old”

Jesus is saying that those that have written the scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit are writing about both the Law and Grace, about those that were faithful before Christ under the Law and those that will be faithful after Christ under grace.
He is also saying that just as most Jews were no longer faithful to God, but had created their own religion and rituals so that Jesus called them whitewashed tombs, so also when Christ would suffer and die most that believe they are under grace because they said “the prayer of faith” and asked Jesus “into their heart”, are instead goats and not sheep because they also honor the Lord with their lips, but many hearts are for from Him.

This is how every scribe instructed in the things concerning the kingdom, brings out of his treasure (the written Word of God) things that are old and new. Because the Word of God is what gives us these truths that Jesus tells us in parables, not only about the pharisee under the Law, but also those that say they are Christians but do not deny themselves or pick up their cross daily to follow Jesus.

The reason that I first wanted to give a little overview of Matthew 13 before Matthew 12, and the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, is because I want to show what Jesus is showing, that Matthew 13 is the continuation of what He is saying in Matthew 12, and Jesus is simply giving a broader view of His constant theme of the kingdom of heaven, and those that are sheep and those that are goats.

Now we come back to Matthew 12:31 and the blasphemy that is against the Holy Spirit.

(Im continuing but I wanted to post this that I had written so that whoever is reading this can seek these things out a little first before I post the rest)

Blessings In Christ alone,
Chris

So here we are back at Matthew 12:31

“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.

There is so much in Matthew 12 to go over, but I dont want to lose the point of this question:
What is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?


Keep in mind all that I've just written about Matthew 13, and now beginning at Matthew 12:1

Jesus is going through the grain fields on the Sabbath with His disciples and they are plucking heads of grain to eat.

The Sabbath first of all represents our rest that we have in Jesus Christ.

Under the Law, you could be put to death for breaking the Sabbath, the reason was because the Sabbath represented rest, rest from works, and Jesus tells us in Matthew 12:8 -
"For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

He is Lord of the Sabbath because He is our Sabbath, He is our rest!!!
And if we try to enter that rest (Christ) by virtue of our own "works", then we have profaned the Sabbath and we can not enter in, so the result of trying to come into the sheep fold some other way than the door, which is Christ and His work alone, is "death",
It is the same penalty as it was under the Law, but the Law was physical and now it is spiritual.
The physical law of the Sabbath was a foreshadow of what was to come.

In Matt 12:22, A man is brought to Jesus that is demon possessed, blind and mute.
Jesus heals the man and then in v24 the Pharisees hear of this healing and they say:

24b This fellow does not cast out demons except by beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.

25 But Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them:
every kingdom divided against itself is brought into desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
A Tree Known by Its Fruit

33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”


In Verse 25, Jesus says that every kingdom divided against itself is brought into desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

In my last post, on Matt 13, we went over the fact that Jesus had a very specific subject that He spoke about in His parables,,, "The Kingom" and all those that were involved in the kingdom,
whether they were wheat or tares, or sheep or goats..

Well, in 12:25 Jesus explains further that a "kingdom" can be brought to desolation and fall, if it is divided against itself.

This rule does not change just because it is the kingdom that many are trying to press into, the kingdom of heaven...

There are many that again, say that they belong to Christ, and yet because they are "divided", and live contrary to the teaching of Christ, their kingdom will fall!


Remember also back in Matthew 13:57 how Jesus said "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house." Jesus, here in Matt 12:25, is giving us a clearer picture, that shows us that every city (Jerusalem/Israel) or house (New Testament believers) divided against itself will not stand.

12:29 Or else how can one enter a strong mans house and plunder his goods, unless he first bind the strong man? and then he will plunder his house.

Many believed the strong man to be the devil, but as you will read further, you will find that Jesus is also talking about those that have a house that they call "the house of god", or the churches throughout the past centuries up to our present day!

In v.30, Jesus says: He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters abroad..

This comes right after v29 where Jesus tells us about binding the strong man and plundering his goods!

Here is an example of what Jesus is saying:

Today, you have churches that speak in the name of Jesus Christ, and yet they preach doctrines of devils!!! They preach that its ok to divorce if you want, because Jesus does not want us to be legalistic, and they preach that Jesus understand if you are a practicing homosexual, you are washed in the blood!! They preach that if you are in sin and you cant stop, you are just a carnal christian and you are safe and secure in Christ because you said the prayer of faith one time in sunday school when you were 10!!!!

They have all manner of worldly flesh feeding events that go on at a non stop pace, sunday night is disney movie night in the sanctuary on the overhead screen, and then there is the church talent show, where someone can sing something and imitate mariah carey...

These "churches" have bound the strong man, who's name they call themselves by and are plundering his goods, namely the sheep!!!

These houses are divided and will fall!!

12:31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

The reason that every sin that people speak against the Son of Man will be forgiven is, because the people that openly speak against the Son of God are not hypocrites!!

They may openly deny Christ, and may even say terrible things against Him, but it is in their ignorance and they are not claiming to have the Holy Spirit in them!

32b But,, whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him in this age or in the age to come.
33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.

Jesus gives us such an important key to what He is saying here in verse 33

Either make the tree good and its fruit good..... What He's saying is that there are trees that are showing and telling everyone that they are good trees (look at me Im a sheep), while all along, they are really bad trees (goats) because you cant get bad fruit from a good tree, and yet they are saying that they are good, or belonging to CHrist, or preaching the truth, but its not possible because they have rotten fruit coming from them as they produce more pastors that preach the same lies about homosexuality being acceptable to God, or whatever, that they themselves are preaching!

Jesus is saying also to make the tree bad and its fruit bad... If you are preaching lies, or if you are stuck in a sinful life and you are pretending to be walking in the Spirit when you are around other Christians, but all the while you cant wait to get back home to your internet porn,,,
Then you are a bad tree and it would be better for you to just be truthful with everyone and say, Im really a sinner and I love my sin, I think that internet porn is great even though God says that its sinful...

You can still repent!!! If you do not repent, it will be more tolerable for sodom at the judgement, because if they had the witness of the wonderful works of the Lord as you do, and if they had the Gospel given to them as you have, they would have repented!!!

12:34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man o