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Humble Bob
Hi y'all. I want to share with you a marvelous story, that I believe is true. When has Christ never get what he wanted? When did Christ ever ask someone of anything that he or she refused?

I say that not once. The fig tree dried up when Christ commanded it to. Even the lame man was commanded to walk and carry his bed on a Sabbath, though, the man was lame. All of these are stories you have heard before including this one

Matthew 19:16
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.


But this part you may not have heard, for though it is not said or written in scripture, this man DID sell all he had, gave it to the poor, and when he finished DID follow Christ. Because, this was not a matter of the Lord asking so that the man refused the Lord's calling. No less was it the fig tree to refuse Jesus' curse, or the lame man to stay down at his own will, or Matthew to ignore Christ when the Lord called him. It was the Lord's command.
LemuelReyes
When did Christ ever ask someone of anything that he or she refused?

Mark 1:40-45

44And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

45But he went out, and began to publish it much, and to blaze abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more openly enter into the city, but was without in desert places: and they came to him from every quarter.
fervent
QUOTE(LemuelReyes @ Dec 25 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]96668[/snapback]

When did Christ ever ask someone of anything that he or she refused?


Well here is a time...

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me. Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

It is only conjecture that the man had any further dealings with the Lord...
Humble Bob
That is true. Only God and that man himself knows what happened.

I could make a conjecture, but I instead believe.

What Christ wants he gets.
fervent
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 25 2006, 10:47 PM) [snapback]96681[/snapback]

That is true. Only God and that man himself knows what happened.

I could make a conjecture, but I instead believe.

What Christ wants he gets.

This statement gives me chills, not because it is intrinsically evil or something, but because I was forced into a setting one time a few years ago where i was subjected to a song sung by a rock group in surround sound booming sterophonic vibes and there were these guys standing around me mimicking the words and looking at me while they did it and the words they used were, "What God wants God gets." You had to be there....it is why I responded in the first place...In the heat of that moment I could sense the devil jibing me...I was reminded of a scripture just then and it seemed to add weight in a spirit of mockery...Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
mmddll




That song (What God Wants) is by Roger Waters, ex-singer of Pink Floyd. I think he is an atheist, but anyway, he was making a statement, not about God but about what people think God wants and how it is always percieved as being about money and material things (I think he is agnostic) and the "God is on our side" mentality from the perspective of different religions when at war with each other.



I admit it is quite irreverent, but it speaks a truth about materialism in religion (and religion in materialism). He is basing it on the "In God We Trust" on American money (I don't know if Britain had that motto, but he mentions dollars and cents pounds shillings and pence). The album cover hints at this because it has a huge eye on a tv screen with a gorilla looking at the tv (a satire of Darwinism and survival of the fittest mentality, no doubt) The eye symbolizes the one dollar "great seal" and the tv represents the commercialization and glorification of war. There is a storyline in the album which corresponds loosely with the book "Amusing Ourselves To Death" (by Neil Postman) from which the title is from, which is basically about how people are dumbed down by "show business" and how war is glorified in mass media. This was a response to the first gulf war in Iraq and makes reference to other wars as well. His father was killed in World War II when he was only 1 year old, which he resents because that regiment was basically left to die like sitting ducks.



Not that I'm making excuses for the irreverent tone of the song, but there's more to the bigger story of the album in it's entirety. I don't agree with his politics because he is pro Palestinian (I mean PLO, not the individual people who are massively decieved by their leaders)



around the end of the album, the world is destroyed by nuclear war while people are found huddled around their tv sets (ironically found by alien anthropologists) (they died watching the nuclear holocaust on their tv sets) He uses alot of irony and satire to get his point across. I don't think it was meant to be personally offensive to anyone's religion. The thing I don;t like about Roger's philosophy is that he's an ecumenicist, but I think he's more of an atheist than agnostic. He might even be a "gnostic".



However, I don't believe it is how Jesus would choose to get a message across. I have recently been doing alot of research on him and Pink Floyd in general because they are very popular and influential people (and I used to be a big fan of Pink Floyd). They most recently appeared in a sort of reunion at the Live 8 concert in London (where Madonna was, waving her middle finger around and dropping "F" bombs all over the place) which was supposed to encourage the G-8 summit to relieve African debt. Nobody in the project (that I know of) bothered to point out the real reason for all of that debt which is due mostly in part to corrupt leaders in Africa (and possibly the U.N.) and the propping up of puppet regimes (mostly Muslim) and that foreign financial aid results in loss of incentive to create businesses in the area because of competition with American and European freebies (donated clothing and food) and the monetary aid is diverted to building the wealth of the corrupt ruling elite (propped up by the Globalist wackos)
"For God's Sake, Please Stop the Aid!"


wow, did I write ALL OF THAT? (sorry it's so long)

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... and at some point, this corn ends up in the harbor of Mombasa. A portion of the corn often goes directly into the hands of unsrupulous politicians who then pass it on to their own tribe to boost their next election campaign. Another portion of the shipment ends up on the black market where the corn is dumped at extremely low prices. Local farmers may as well put down their hoes right away; no one can compete with the UN's World Food Program. And because the farmers go under in the face of this pressure, Kenya would have no reserves to draw on if there actually were a famine next year. It's a simple but fatal cycle.
mmddll
That article about African aid and debt relief reminds me of a saying you all are probably familiar with:



"Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man HOW to fish and feed him for a lifetime"

"cast your nets on the right side of the boat"

That is the same principle Jesus taught the disciples when He showed them HOW to fish and later told Peter "Do you love me? Feed my sheep"







I think discipleship has more to do with teaching a man how to fish and how to LIVE than how to preach and BEG.



mmddll
Socialism: The Road to Hell
Miki
OK mmddll....I'll bite.

It's not just an African issue.

The 'Social Gospel'

This is so hard because poverty is a curse. We must change hearts to break the curse.

Once l was poor but didn't have eyes to see. I couldn't help myself. It was a vicious cycle.
Anyone that's ever struggled in this way knows it.

I didn't want to borrow money l wanted to be given money so l could get out from under. But on the same hand l needed to be taught how to change my ways. But in order for that to happen l had to first be convinced l needed to change...that God had ways and rules and l was more than a result of the system. Unfortunately at that time there was no one to teach me this. My husband came along and took care of me.

In that time l came to understand the system. Hard work. Not buying what you don't need. Not depending on things for happiness. This took some years. I was brainwashed by society to think l needed.

This was a hard lesson but l'm grateful for it. I won't forget what l learned from the poor years. Sometimes you just need to give people money and not lone it. Not everybody is a mooch looking for a hand out but a hand up.

In the social Outreach l've been involved with over the years l've seen the two types.
Those when given to...... get up and walk

and those that stay down.

Grace is extended but limited. Sad...the ones that stay in bed. They always have an excuse.
I've come over the years to be able to spot it....

But the ones who get up! What a praise!
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