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fervent
Mark 11: 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

This is how mountains are removed! This is how prayers are answered! This is how your own forgiveness is performed! This is a key and a secret of the kingdom! If you cannot obey this, forget any other blessings as this is so basic that it is a portal to the kingdom!
Humble Bob
How about this one? Yes, I like this one. Let's move it!

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fervent
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]95678[/snapback]

How about this one? Yes, I like this one. Let's move it!

That one looks good where it is...God put it there..I am talking about those mountains that prevent spirituality from flowing, not bodies...but I know you are just having fun... rolleyes.gif

PS I moved it for you anyways biggrin.gif
Humble Bob
How about this one? Yes, I like this one. Let's move it!

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"...I am talking about those mountains that prevent spirituality from flowing, not bodies..."


...so am I...

(sincere smile)

QUOTE(fervent @ Dec 15 2006, 10:21 PM) [snapback]95680[/snapback]

...I moved it for you anyways...


I believe it. Do you?

(sincere smile)

fervent
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QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]95678[/snapback]

How about this one? Yes, I like this one. Let's move it!

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"...I am talking about those mountains that prevent spirituality from flowing, not bodies..."



...so am I...

(sincere smile)

What dis? Whats dis? I removed the mountain and it came back again! That is what the devil does...exactly what he does..you pray the mountain off and it goes and then he gets you to take it back by deception... ph34r.gif wub.gif
Humble Bob
hahaha. That's funny...

But seriously, does the devil have anything to do with faith?

(anyone can reply here,...uh, In Jesus name, except the devil happy.gif )
fervent
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:33 PM) [snapback]95687[/snapback]

hahaha. That's funny...

But seriously, does the devil have anything to do with faith?

(anyone can reply here,...uh, In Jesus name, except the devil happy.gif )

He is the reciprocal of faith...otherwise known as fear...he gives you the opposite of faith ...

Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. Job 3:26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.
Humble Bob
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QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:33 PM) [snapback]95687[/snapback]

hahaha. That's funny...

But seriously, does the devil have anything to do with faith?

(anyone can reply here,...uh, In Jesus name, except the devil happy.gif )

He is the reciprocal of faith...otherwise known as fear...he gives you the opposite of faith ...

Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. Job 3:26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.



If I may respond then, fear is a good thing when courage is found (see my quote smile.gif )
fervent
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QUOTE(fervent @ Dec 15 2006, 10:39 PM) [snapback]95689[/snapback]

QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:33 PM) [snapback]95687[/snapback]

hahaha. That's funny...

But seriously, does the devil have anything to do with faith?

(anyone can reply here,...uh, In Jesus name, except the devil happy.gif )

He is the reciprocal of faith...otherwise known as fear...he gives you the opposite of faith ...

Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. Job 3:26 I was not in safety, neither had I rest, neither was I quiet; yet trouble came.



If I may respond then, fear is a good thing when courage is found (see my quote smile.gif )

How can false evidence be a good thing? We condemn daily those who would subscribe to false hoods... wub.gif
Humble Bob
I fear, I fear many things.

I fear God, for one but my courage is Christ.

I fear failing, but my safety is Christ.

I fear poverty, but my riches are in Christ.

I fear isolation, but my company is with Christ.


...these are a few of my fears, but the grace of Christ allows me to find courage wub.gif
fervent
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]95699[/snapback]

I fear, I fear many things.

I fear God, for one but my courage is Christ.

I fear failing, but my safety is Christ.

I fear poverty, but my riches are in Christ.

I fear isolation, but my company is with Christ.


...these are a few of my fears, but the grace of Christ allows me to find courage wub.gif

I fear "fear..."

Jesus kept saying "fear not, it is I."
Humble Bob
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QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]95699[/snapback]

I fear, I fear many things.

I fear God, for one but my courage is Christ.

I fear failing, but my safety is Christ.

I fear poverty, but my riches are in Christ.

I fear isolation, but my company is with Christ.


...these are a few of my fears, but the grace of Christ allows me to find courage wub.gif

I fear "fear..."

Jesus kept saying "fear not, it is I."


that is not enough, because fear is a tangible thing; it is not abstract. Fear is something you can point to inside, or if you want have a color, perhaps a smell too. It can be a childhood memory, or it can be pictured in my imagination by what I "fear" seeing myself as, or becoming, or possibly will be, or suffering or grief.

So tell me then, what is the "fear" that you fear? Be more specific! mellow.gif
fervent
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QUOTE(fervent @ Dec 15 2006, 10:52 PM) [snapback]95700[/snapback]

QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]95699[/snapback]

I fear, I fear many things.

I fear God, for one but my courage is Christ.

I fear failing, but my safety is Christ.

I fear poverty, but my riches are in Christ.

I fear isolation, but my company is with Christ.


...these are a few of my fears, but the grace of Christ allows me to find courage wub.gif

I fear "fear..."

Jesus kept saying "fear not, it is I."


that is not enough, because fear is a tangible thing; it is not abstract. Fear is something you can point to inside, or if you want have a color, perhaps a smell too. It can be a childhood memory, or it can be pictured in my imagination by what I "fear" seeing myself as, or becoming, or possibly will be, or suffering or grief.

So tell me then, what is the "fear" that you fear? Be more specific! mellow.gif

I was trying to say I am afraid of being afraid...but that pit of the stomach thing...is indeed tangible...we are called to fear not, but we are still fearful because we have not had our vision opened to us...

2Ki 6:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? 2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that [be] with us [are] more than they that [be] with them. 2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Humble Bob
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QUOTE(fervent @ Dec 15 2006, 10:52 PM) [snapback]95700[/snapback]

QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 07:50 PM) [snapback]95699[/snapback]

I fear, I fear many things.

I fear God, for one but my courage is Christ.

I fear failing, but my safety is Christ.

I fear poverty, but my riches are in Christ.

I fear isolation, but my company is with Christ.


...these are a few of my fears, but the grace of Christ allows me to find courage wub.gif

I fear "fear..."

Jesus kept saying "fear not, it is I."


that is not enough, because fear is a tangible thing; it is not abstract. Fear is something you can point to inside, or if you want have a color, perhaps a smell too. It can be a childhood memory, or it can be pictured in my imagination by what I "fear" seeing myself as, or becoming, or possibly will be, or suffering or grief.

So tell me then, what is the "fear" that you fear? Be more specific! mellow.gif

I was trying to say I am afraid of being afraid...but that pit of the stomach thing...is indeed tangible...we are called to fear not, but we are still fearful because we have not had our vision opened to us...

2Ki 6:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? 2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that [be] with us [are] more than they that [be] with them. 2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.


I read something and it moved me...tell me more about this fear? I am not acquainted with it. I feel when compared to my fears they are petty to what you fear, (except for my fear of God...I keep that fear so that I can hope for wisdom)

Tell me about this vision that "we" have not had opened to "us," or is that you and me? or is that just you...I don't know
fervent
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2Ki 6:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? 2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that [be] with us [are] more than they that [be] with them. 2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain [was] full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

Iread something and it moved me...tell me more about this fear? I am not acquainted with it. I feel when compared to my fears they are petty to what you fear, (except for my fear of God...I keep that fear so that I can hope for wisdom)

Tell me about this vision that "we" have not had opened to "us," or is that you and me? or is that just you...I don't know

The vision was in the scripture I gave you...to know we are not alone in our battles...it is not a vision of fear, but of real hope...to tread the blighted cornfield of fear when the reality is a defined hope in God, is to quantify unbelief and put it in a place of honour. Fear is the Mount Hood, and unforgiveness is the Mount Everest of the spirit. You have to conquor them, defeat them, not just because "they are there" as a matter of challenge, but because they are road blocks to success.
Humble Bob
Aye, I have just read about this vision.

Then find the courage to conquer the fear and get past them as road blocks.

Again, I ask what is your fear? wub.gif
Humble Bob
...are you willing to conquer it with me?

I am sooooooo tired of that stone, I want it crushed. In the name of Jesus Christ, this mountain is removed!
George
Wouldn't it be easier to simply do and believe what Christ said. If the mountain is in your way, from getting to the other side and you don't feel like climbing it, tell it to move and walk across on level ground. Or if you can master the technique of saint Joseph just fly over it.
Humble Bob
QUOTE(Godsloft.com @ Dec 16 2006, 06:59 AM) [snapback]95727[/snapback]

Wouldn't it be easier to simply do and believe what Christ said. If the mountain is in your way, from getting to the other side and you don't feel like climbing it, tell it to move and walk across on level ground. Or if you can master the technique of saint Joseph just fly over it.



Sounds good, Godsloft. Where do I sign up for the class? Maybe it's in Saint Josephs notes. Yes, the comment is a snyde remark, but that's my problem not yours. Sorry. blush.gif

If I be the first Christian to fly over mountains on just faith alone (and I don't mean believing the plane I am in won't crash), I'll let you know and show you how. I hope then that you'd do the same for me. wink.gif

...welcome to Christian grad school 500, on moving mountains! tongue.gif
George
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QUOTE(Godsloft.com @ Dec 16 2006, 06:59 AM) [snapback]95727[/snapback]

Wouldn't it be easier to simply do and believe what Christ said. If the mountain is in your way, from getting to the other side and you don't feel like climbing it, tell it to move and walk across on level ground. Or if you can master the technique of saint Joseph just fly over it.



Sounds good, Godsloft. Where do I sign up for the class? Maybe it's in Saint Josephs notes. Yes, the comment is a snyde remark, but that's my problem not yours. Sorry. blush.gif

If I be the first Christian to fly over mountains on just faith alone (and I don't mean believing the plane I am in won't crash), I'll let you know and show you how. I hope then that you'd do the same for me. wink.gif

...welcome to Christian grad school 500, on moving mountains! tongue.gif



Amen Bob
Your answer is perfect even without the apology.
The registrar for those classes will be coming around soon and we will all be in them together.
RosielovesJesus
Yes, I believe many of us will be in that class together.
I sign up with you all.

I love that beautiful mountain and if you want to move it,
you can move it over to rosie's place. I have beautiful scenery,
but no mountian. smile.gif Okay I am being a stinker.
But I do believe our faith in Jesus Christ can move any obstacle that is in our
way. Be it physical or inner emotional. Hope that made sense. Can't seem to get
my point out without giving you all a hug.

love you all,
from, rosie

fervent
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]95717[/snapback]

Aye, I have just read about this vision.

Then find the courage to conquer the fear and get past them as road blocks.

Again, I ask what is your fear? wub.gif


F.E.A.R.

False Evidence Appearing Real....

Fear is buying into the brand x version of the gospel...that somehow it is always for that guy over there, but never for "me."

That is the thought that you are not really a "whosoever" who has been given commandments and blessings. Do a scripture search for "whosoever" of the four gospels and tell me you are not suddenly made aware if an incipient need to transcend some things and come up higher in God.
RosielovesJesus
I believe God is calling us, many of us right here to come up higher to Him.
I feel his tugging and I hear Him say Fear not for I am holding you all as you
come closer, closer to me.

Oh how I love Him.
Oh how I feel that you all love Him too and seek to get higher and closer to Him.
Yes time is of the essence.

love,
rosie
Humble Bob
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QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 15 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]95717[/snapback]

Aye, I have just read about this vision.

Then find the courage to conquer the fear and get past them as road blocks.

Again, I ask what is your fear? wub.gif


F.E.A.R.

False Evidence Appearing Real....

Fear is buying into the brand x version of the gospel...that somehow it is always for that guy over there, but never for "me."

That is the thought that you are not really a "whosoever" who has been given commandments and blessings. Do a scripture search for "whosoever" of the four gospels and tell me you are not suddenly made aware if an incipient need to transcend some things and come up higher in God.



Hmm ,F.E.A.R...

I think it, if it be false then it would be nothing to fear. I have often feared the truth than lies.

Allow me to restate the above with what you wrote so that I can savour it well and know it better...

"That is the thought that I am not really a "whosoever" who has been given commandments and blessings."

hmmm...that I am not really a "whosoever"...

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that is a lie and should I believe in a lie my faith is dead. I pray to Christ, stay that hand that makes me believeth in a lie. In your name, dear Jesus. Amen.

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George
QUOTE(RosielovesJesus @ Dec 16 2006, 02:07 PM) [snapback]95760[/snapback]

Yes, I believe many of us will be in that class together.
I sign up with you all.

I love that beautiful mountain and if you want to move it,
you can move it over to rosie's place. I have beautiful scenery,
but no mountian. smile.gif Okay I am being a stinker.
But I do believe our faith in Jesus Christ can move any obstacle that is in our
way. Be it physical or inner emotional. Hope that made sense. Can't seem to get
my point out without giving you all a hug.

love you all,
from, rosie


Amen Rosie
One BIG HUG in Christ Jesus back at chya.
We will just fly over it and not cast it into the sea. "Look" "we will fly over it".
Isaiah 40
31 But those who wait on the Lord Shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint.
Joel
5 With a noise like chariots Over mountaintops they leap, Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble, Like a strong people set in battle array.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


Romans 8
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,
39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
fervent
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses...

I don't know if the point is being missed or not...but my point at the outset was that a vital part of the process of having what you say and believing you receive (mountain moving ability) is that you have to walk in total forgiveness (of others) and maybe even of yourself..."if ye have ought against any."

I know I am most challenged by this word to love my enemy and to forgive those who despitefully use me. So until I can grasp the obedience of it, how can I expect to believe and receive? Then again, how could anybody? It is an act of submission and a decided death to "self" to be found ready to move in that direction.

I think it is why many of us fail in life....(relatively speaking)...not that we are written off by God as some kind of "training accident" but that we fall short of the mark in blessing because we by unforgiveness bind on earth and bind in heaven...

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'Humble Bob' post='95781' date='Dec 16 2006, 05:07 PM'] Hmm ,F.E.A.R...I think it, if it be false then it would be nothing to fear. I have often feared the truth than lies.Allow me to restate the above with what you wrote so that I can savour it well and know it better..."That is the thought that I am not really a "whosoever" who has been given commandments and blessings."hmmm...that I am not really a "whosoever"... ohmy.gif (spit)that is a lie and should I believe in a lie my faith is dead. I pray to Christ, stay that hand that makes me believeth in a lie. In your name, dear Jesus. Amen.

If you can acknowledge that you are a "whosoever" then you can acknowledge that you are bought with a price and that you are not your own, and you can acknowledge death to self, and life unto God, being given to Him in a living sacrifice , holy, acceptable unto God. Once having done that, one can contemplate, "All is well with my soul" and even ask with David, Psa 42:11 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, [who is] the health of my countenance, and my God.
Humble Bob
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I know I am most challenged by this word to love my enemy and to forgive those who despitefully use me


That is indeed from your heart. It is a brave confession.

When I use "I" statements, when I confess my falibilities I am knowing more about myself. I am gaining a better footing. It is a blessing I believe Christ grants me. Then comes the other things...

But back to you, dear Fervent, where is the pain that keeps this in you? What is it, my brother, that keeps this bound inside you? Can you let it go, can you rule over it, or does it rule over you? Is this your stone that keeps you from great works for Christ?

...and yes, I can acknowledge that I am "whosoever," for I believe it is Christ who showed me who I am. I lived a good portioned of my life and in my walk wanting to know Christ. Basically, he showed me that I didn't even know myself. That is now changing for me. Though, I will not afford the luxury to say "All is well with my soul," not in this world.

To find it, to understand it, to dig deep into it is a great step towards growth.
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Humble Bob
QUOTE(Godsloft.com @ Dec 16 2006, 06:59 AM) [snapback]95727[/snapback]

Wouldn't it be easier to simply do and believe what Christ said. If the mountain is in your way, from getting to the other side and you don't feel like climbing it, tell it to move and walk across on level ground. Or if you can master the technique of saint Joseph just fly over it.

Sunday night I dreamt I could fly. I stepped out of a window of a building nervous but faithful and I did not fall, but my flying was difficult at times.

I flew up to a wall and there was a TV set inside it. I could hear people through it and I was talking to them but I could not see them. When they learned I could fly they became upset because I broke the rules huh.gif
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