THE STONE PEOPLE ARE COMING by Al Thomas 12/12 on: December 12, 2006, 04:55:53 PM
“THE STONE PEOPLE ARE COMING”
A Prophetic Word by Al Thomas
I SAW A VISION OF PEOPLE TRYING TO MOVE A HUGE STONE.
Behind the stone were the answers to prayer requests that have piled up for years. The stone was over one hundred feet high and weighted many tons. In spite of its massive size, I could see crowds of people pushing with all of their might to move the stone. It was a fruitless effort. Many grew weary, became discouraged and walked away. A few people tried to chip away at the stone with primitive tools but the tools started to break and fall apart, so they also gave up. Another group (brimming with confidence) brought in the latest heavy construction mountain moving machines. The crowd get excited when the ‘big boys’ showed up with the ‘big toys.’ Then quickly, faces frowned when they failed to even dent the stone. Some people devoted their entire life to the stone; either by trying to push it, beg it to move or even explode it. Everybody else talked about the stone. Some said, “It’s God’s will for the stone never to be moved.” Others said, “It will be moved in God’s time, not ours, it is not our business to move the stone, just let things be as they are.” Then the vision changed as I saw a small remnant of people (Zachariah 8:12) who seemed to take a different approach to the problem. They were dressed in white and they carried slings. They had no tools. They didn’t even try to move the stone. Instead, they intently looked at the stone (Acts 3:4) and then they looked up (Psalm 34:5). They seemed to mumble something at the stone and speak to the heavens. After speaking to one another and to heaven, they waited (Psalm 130: 5-6). Then, the massive stone started to move! It only moved one inch and then stopped. Afterwards, one of people dressed in white walked over to the stone and commanded it to completely open. Many were startled when the enormous stone started to roll. Then, it broke into many pieces. Someone said, “Save the pieces, we’ll need them later.” Then I saw there was another stone still there...
God Said: “FIRST, I’M REMOVING THE STONE OF UNBELIEF”
“Do you recall the father who said, “Lord, I believe, help thou mine unbelief?” (Mark 9:24). I’m about to help you with your unbelief. Do you also recall when I dispatched two women to Jesus’ tomb (to anoint His body)? As they went on their way, one said to another, ‘Who shall roll away the tomb from the door of the sepulchre?’ (Mark 16:3). Even though they did not know how the stone would be moved, they still went to the tomb! I gave them the faith to go. I want my children to revisit their personal tomb. They also will find the stone has been removed and answered prayers resurrected. I am giving the church the same faith I gave them. I am going to remove the stone that hinders My faith from operating in you. When those women saw the stone removed, they believed. Faith in Me is not human confidence; it is a manifestation of My Spirit. I am about to remove the stone of unbelief and pour out My gift of Faith (1 Corinthians 12: 9) on multitudes. Yet, I will not do what you can do…
God said: “NOW, YOU REMOVE THE STONE THAT HOLDS YOUR MIRACLE”
“Before Lazarus was raised from the dead, no one wanted to remove the stone because he had been dead too long (John 11:39). Some of you have waited so long for the stones of unbelief to be removed you almost gave up, feeling too much time had passed. You became afraid of what you might find behind them. Now is not the time to have fear, but faith and power (11 Timothy 1:7). Behind the stone is not death, but Life (John 10:10)! I am telling you to remove the second stone! Behind it is the resurrection of your miracle, your healing and provision! It is your time and your moment. If not now, when? Your Lazarus is waiting, call it forth! Now that I’ve removed the stone of unbelief you can call forth your miracle (John 11:23; Acts 9:40). The tomb is wide open. You’re on the verge of your answer, but it’s time to do your part. The grip of death that held you can go (Acts 2:24), your emptiness can be changed to fullness (John 1:16) and your family’s salvation can come (Acts 16:30). Tell the second stone to move, you will be stunned at how quickly it breaks into pieces.
God Said: “NEXT, PICK UP THE PIECES, THEY ARE YOUR WEAPONS!”
“The stones that were used against you and held back your victory must now be used against your enemies. (I Samuel 17:40). Oh, in case you’ve been wondering…that’s a sling in your hand. Place one of the stones in it and begin to throw them at all the Goliaths in your life. You will see them knocked to the ground (1 Samuel 17: 49)! Others will flee even before you throw the stone. Take notice that each stone has a scripture verse on it. You’re being called up the plate; angelic witnesses and the saints of old are waiting on you and surrounding you (Hebrews 12:1). What the enemy used for evil, you will now use for good (Genesis 50:20). This is battle time (Ephesians 6:10-17). This time it’s really Me (Numbers 23:19) and you’re really ready. Now, like David, pick up a stone, put it in the sling, take aim and fire…”
“…AND DAVID PREVAILED OVER THE PHILISTINE WITH A SLING AND A STONE” (1 Samuel 17:50)
Full Version: The Stone People Are Coming!
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I saw a small remnant of people (Zachariah 8:12) who seemed to take a different approach to the problem. They were dressed in white and they carried slings. They had no tools. They didn’t even try to move the stone. Instead, they intently looked at the stone (Acts 3:4) and then they looked up (Psalm 34:5). They seemed to mumble something at the stone and speak to the heavens. After speaking to one another and to heaven, they waited (Psalm 130: 5-6).
Guess what...I did this...the stone is still there. This has been more than a passing fancy but went on for years.... God will remove the stone when he's ready. It's not by my faith but in his timing.
Some things don't change the way we want. But God's purpose will prevail.
What l'm saying lois, is that l've mostly only used your latter method since day one. I never believed those other methods would work. But neither did mumbling to the stone and to the heavens....
Sometimes God says No not yet...l'm not done using it. So don't be discouraged people if your stone doesn't move, Trust God no matter what. His purpose will prevail!
Faith can move Mountains. Oh God you are so good.
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THE STONE PEOPLE ARE COMING by Al Thomas 12/12 on: December 12, 2006, 04:55:53 PM
“THE STONE PEOPLE ARE COMING”A Prophetic Word by Al Thomas I SAW A VISION OF PEOPLE TRYING TO MOVE A HUGE STONE.
Curiously I was led to post this on the prophecy forum...
Al says the stone people are the remnant from Zach 8:12
But who are the remnant Zachariah is referring to? I will post below a commentary on those people
but first l want to say that this fellow wants you to believe that the thing you have been praying for hasn't happened because you're a stooge who doesn't know how to pray and that people like him and the Elijah list people are about to mount there white horses and come to the rescue demonstrating their great powers to all us nit wits who don't know how to pray. This is so elementary...
What this guy (Al) seems to be doing is taking bits and pieces of the word and allegorizing everything to fit his agenda and l'm not buying. Some things we pray for that don't come to pass are for a reason and season and to say it's our fault because we're all dead nit wits and we need the stone stone peoples help is just a lot of hooey...
Am l getting it wrong here or is this just more twisting by the Elijah list people to try to prepare you for their grand "appearance" I think this is the false manifest sons. Sorry. I keep trying to make this work but it's not working. I go back and question myself saying. I'm l in unbelief? Is that why this rock hasn't moved? NO N-O... I'm not in unbelief. God has his seasons. I don't care what this guy says and the heart of Jacob will remain hard until God's perfect timing says NOW. And it's not going to be because the Elijah list people have come onto the scene clanging their cymbals and ringing their bells. It's going to be when the time of the Gentiles is full and God turns his eyes to the Jew ...the remnant that will then receive him because God says it not because some false remnant has arrive to proclaim it. Then through the Jew the world will receive in great abundance.
I believe this guy wants you to think that him and his people are the remnant not the Jew. But Zechariah is very clear here.
But who are the remnant Zachariah is referring to? I will post below a commentary on those people
but first l want to say that this fellow wants you to believe that the thing you have been praying for hasn't happened because you're a stooge who doesn't know how to pray and that people like him and the Elijah list people are about to mount there white horses and come to the rescue demonstrating their great powers to all us nit wits who don't know how to pray. This is so elementary...
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Guess what...I did this...the stone is still there. This has been more than a passing fancy but went on for years.... God will remove the stone when he's ready. It's not by my faith but in his timing.
Some things don't change the way we want. But God's purpose will prevail.
What l'm saying lois, is that l've mostly only used your latter method since day one. I never believed those other methods would work. But neither did mumbling to the stone and to the heavens....
Sometimes God says No not yet...l'm not done using it. So don't be discouraged people if your stone doesn't move, Trust God no matter what. His purpose will prevail!
Some things don't change the way we want. But God's purpose will prevail.
What l'm saying lois, is that l've mostly only used your latter method since day one. I never believed those other methods would work. But neither did mumbling to the stone and to the heavens....
Sometimes God says No not yet...l'm not done using it. So don't be discouraged people if your stone doesn't move, Trust God no matter what. His purpose will prevail!
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Ray Stedman
Zechariah: You Return to Me, I'll Return to You!
The book of Zechariah has been called the Apocalypse of the Old Testament. Like the book of Revelation, Zechariah is a book of prophecy. Its theme is to set forth the program of God, which is also the theme of the book of Revelation. The difference is that in Zechariah Israel is in the foreground and the Gentile nations in the background, while in the book of Revelation the Gentile nations are in the foreground and the continuous thread that ties them together is the nation of Israel.
The first verse of Zechariah reveals in a very interesting way this focus on the nation Israel:
In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, son of Iddo, the prophet.
We usually read through these opening verses without thinking of them as having much significance, but remember that Hebrew names mean something. The most outstanding example perhaps of the significance of Hebrew names is Methuselah, the name of the oldest man who ever lived. His name means "when he dies it will come"---and when he died, the flood came, just as that name prophesied.
Here, we have three names that are very significant. Zechariah means "God remembers" and Berechiah, his father's name, means "God blesses" and his grandfather's name Iddo, means "At the appointed time." That is the theme of the book of Zechariah. It is a book of encouragement to the people of Israel.
Zechariah was a contemporary with Haggai, one of the prophets who ministered to the remnant who had returned from captivity in Babylon. Although they were back in Jerusalem rebuilding the temple and the city, they were still vassals of Babylon, still subject to the Gentile nations around them, without much hope for the future. It was a discouraging, depressing time, and a spirit of dark pessimism gripped these people. And Zechariah comes to them in the midst of their depression, with this announcement that is even wrapped up in his name and ancestry: Jehovah blesses, Jehovah remembers at the appointed time. What an encouragement those names must have been.
At the beginning of the first chapter there is a brief outline of the book. This is often true of the Bible, and if you look for these little outlines, you can often find a brief summary of the message of the book in the opening sections. Here it is broken up in a dramatic way by the name of God, the Jehovah of hosts. It is one of the unusual names of God. Jehovah of hosts, that is, the God of the masses---the God of all the armies, whether they be angel armies, human armies, demonic armies, makes no difference. The stars are also called the hosts. This is the God who is sovereign over all the masses, whoever they may be. And this name is repeated three times (verses 2-3):
"The LORD [Jehovah] was very angry with your fathers. Therefore say to them, Thus says the Lord [Jehovah] of hosts: Return to me, says the LORD of hosts, and I will return to you, says the LORD of hosts."
Three times that name is repeated. What is said before each of those repetitions marks the divisions of this book. It falls into three brief sections. The first one is included in,
"The Lord was very angry with your fathers."
That marks the first division, comprising just the first six verses which describe God's displeasure with his people. Then we have,
"Return to me."
And that marks the second division, covering from chapter 1, verse 7, clear over to chapter 6, verse 15, speaking of God's deliverance of his people. Then, chapters 7 through 14 make up the third division which is an exposition of these words:
"and I will return to you, says the Lord."
That is always God's way. If you find yourself straying away from his presence and as a result, your life grows cold, your faith grows dim, you grow discouraged, you are defeated, you find yourself exposed to all types of temptations and prey to every evil thought, what must you do? "Return to me," says the Lord, "and I will return to you." If you want God back in your life, with all the glory of his presence, then come back to him. That is always the formula.
As I have indicated, the first six verses are just a brief resume of God's quarrel with his people, the fact that they are displeased him, as we have seen all through the Old Testament. There is no need to dwell upon this. God is always displeased when his people turn from him, whether we are looking at God's people of Israel or God's people of the church.
Then, beginning with verse seven, a most remarkable vision was given to the prophet. A vision that is divided up into a series of eight, which were all given to Zechariah on the same night, and these also fall into major divisions. These three divisions are like three acts in a great drama that was revealed to the prophet. You might think of them as God's "First Nighter Program, " because they all came on one night to the prophet. As we read them, we can imagine we have been invited to attend this drama that God is unfolding to the prophet. God is the author, Zechariah is the producer, and we are the audience.
The vision covers all the time from Zechariah's day through the present, clear on to the coming of the Lord. The first act is made up of two visions. One is a vision of a watcher looking out over the people in the valley. The watcher is riding upon a horse and with him are gathered other riders upon horses. And the angel of the Lord interprets the vision to the prophet. The meaning of this is simply that Israel was that people down in the valley, symbolized here for us by the lowly myrtle shrub, and they could see that they were in a shadowed place. It was a time of despair and difficult days. But what they could not see---what the prophet was revealing to them---was this unseen one who was watching the whole procedure and saw what was going on and had with him the great resources to meet their need in the hour of despair.
Now the second vision in the first act speaks of four smiths, or workmen---actually, carpenters. It was a vision of four horns and four smiths. This is also interpreted to the prophet. He sees that like the riders in the vision before, these are divine agents, angels perhaps, who are sent out to terrify the nations. So we see that this is a picture of the desperate need of Israel to return to God. Israel was discouraged at the display of the powers and forces in opposition against them. But what they did not see was the resources. They were unconscious of the divine agents that were there to move on their behalf and that is what God revealed to them.
So the curtain falls at the end of Act One, and in the second chapter it rises on Act Two, which is one single vision. It is a vision of a man with a measuring line in his hand who went out to measure the city of Jerusalem and as he did this, the interpreting angel said to the prophet (verses 4-5):
'Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of men and cattle in it. For I will be to her a wall of fire round about, says the Lord, and I will be the glory within her.'
This is followed by a beautiful description of the days of blessing that are to come upon Israel, all to be literally fulfilled as Israel would be brought some day back into the place of blessing in the land of Israel.
This is the picture of God's promise to those who return. It is always one of blessing. Come back, and blessing flows from that act of return, for God is the center of blessing. Blessing can come from no other source. If your life is empty, you need God. If you are a Christian and your life is empty, you need to return to God. It is out of the resources of God that blessings come. The man with a measuring line is simply a very descriptive symbol of the unlimited, measureless blessing that God is ready to pour out into the life of one who comes back into a relationship with him.
Act Three now opens with five more visions. Here is the way to return to God, acted out for you in these five visions. In the first scene, Joshua the high priest is revealed, standing before God. Opposed to Joshua is Satan, the adversary. Now the people could see the adversary. They knew that Satan was against them. But what they could not see was the advocate, the one who stood on their behalf and who ministered for them. Then we see, in this wonderfully moving vision, how Joshua is cleansed; his filthy garments are taken off and he is clad in new, clean garments and the statement is made that God would do this simply because he chose to do so. "I have chosen Jerusalem," he says, just as he says of us. Why does he bless us? Because he has chosen to do so.
Then in the latter part of this chapter 3 is a wonderful vision that looks forward to the work of Christ upon the cross (verse 8):
"Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men of good omen: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch. For behold, upon the stone which I have set before Joshua, upon a single stone with seven facets, I will engrave its inscription, says the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the guilt of this land in a single day."
This is a marvelous prophecy of the coming of the one who would be Jehovah's servant, the Branch. One who would have the marks of the crucifixion and who would be the instrument by which the guilt of the land was removed in a single day. And in that day blessing would flow out as God's manifestation of his right to cleanse the sinner without charging him, accusing him, or condemning him. Cleansing is the first step in the way back.
Then in Scene Two we see what follows the cleansing of God---the power of the Holy Spirit---in the vision of the lampstand and the olive tree. It pictures the Spirit-filled life. Oil always refers to the Holy Spirit, and here were olive trees continually dripping oil out of their branches into a lampstand, and it was burning brightly. What wonderful symbolism of the fact that the Lord within us is constantly supplying that inner strengthening that makes it possible for us to burn brightly as light in the midst of a dark generation.
Scene Three opens on a flying scroll, a gigantic scroll with scriptures written on both sides, and with curses against the thieves and the blasphemers among the people. It pictures the judgment of Israel, the going forth of the law in the midst of corruption. Now they could see the corruption but they could not see the law. So this is God's encouragement in the hour of darkness when all they could see was corruption, and everything going to pieces. What they could not see was God's agency working to bring a curse upon that lawlessness to bring it to an end.
Then, in Scene Four, Zechariah sees a woman in an ephah. An ephah is like a big bushel basket, and while the prophet and the angel watched, wings were given to this basket and it flew away to the land of Babylon. What does this strange thing mean? If you had a vision like that you would wonder what you had been eating the night before! But the prophet knows that a meaningful vision has been given to him. As he meditates upon it, he can understand it because it contains terms that are used elsewhere in the Scripture. Whenever a woman appears symbolically in Scripture, there is always reference to something wrong in the realm of religion. (I did not invent that, the scriptures did.) Here, then, is the picture of the judgment of the false faith, the false church, very much as we find in the book of Revelation where a woman who is the false church is called Babylon the great. Zechariah sees the same thing; God's judgment upon hypocritical religion, false faith.
Then in the final scene, the prophet sees the four chariots which rode out upon the earth, very much like the vision in Revelation of the four horsemen who ride and bring judgment upon the world. The curtain rings down, then, on this great drama of redemption of the future. It is God's great symbolic play of the way back to him---first by cleansing, then by the filling of the Holy Spirit, then the putting away of evil in its various forms and finally the judgment of the entire earth as God brings the evil of men to the seat of judgment.
Chapter 7 marks a new division in the book and in this chapter we find God speaking in a different way. Instead of using visions, he speaks to the prophet in a direct address. The heart of this section is the prophet's announcement in chapter 8, verse 3:
"Thus says the LORD: I will return to Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem, and Jerusalem shall be called the faithful city, and the mountain of the LORD of hosts, the holy mountain."
Here is a picture of God dwelling in the midst of his people. One day this is going to be fulfilled on the earth. In the land of Israel, what has been predicted is taking place, one startling event after another. The return of Jerusalem to Jewish control has prepared the way for the rebuilding of the temple on its old site. Scripture has long predicted that this would be one of the opening signs that God was about to move again to restore Israel at last to its place among the nations.
So we can read this section with great interest because it pictures something that is historically coming to pass, but we can read it with even greater interest because of what is spiritually symbolized in our own lives---God in the midst of us. What will the result be? God dwelling in us, renewing the inner man, a fountain of blessing pouring out in our lives, making us fruitful and effective and a blessing to all with whom we come in contact. That is the picture of these last scenes.
Chapters 7 and 8 link together in a plea of God to the people to be honest and open before him. It is again a rehearsal of their failures in his sight and then a reminder that while he is unfailing in his mercy and grace, he is unchanging in his standards. He always supplies what is necessary but he never lowers the standards. The people react as people often do, in these three ways; first (chapter 7, verse 11):
But they refused to hearken, and turned a stubborn shoulder, and stopped their ears that they might not hear.
That is always the first step. They pretend not to hear. And then (verse 12):
They made their hearts like adamant led they should hear the law and the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets.
They deliberately disobeyed, and then finally, they began to play the hypocrite. The chapter opens with a question of the people, "Shall we keep on with these feasts that we began in Babylon?" And God's word to them is, "Why are you doing it? Are you celebrating these feasts because you mean to worship, or simply for a religious show?"
These are some of the very ways that we avoid the will of God today. I remember years ago, one of my daughters was told by her mother to put on a green dress. It was interesting to watch her. She pretended at first not to hear. Then after her mother repeated the request several times, she openly rebelled and just said, "No. I don't want to wear that dress." And then, when it looked as though she would have to wear it, she came up to her mother and said, "Mother, I want to wear the green dress, but it is just too dirty," which was not true at all. In other words, she followed exactly the program that is outlined here. She pretended not to hear, she directly disobeyed, and then she played the hypocrite, and pretended that it was right and proper that she should disobey in this way. How accurately this catches up the inherent deceitful tendencies of the human heart!
But now God goes on to point out that the result will be a blindness to truth; that ultimately, they will lose the ability to see and hear. This is set forth for us in chapters 9 and 10---the picture of the blindness of the people, and right in the midst of this, you have the first of several amazingly accurate glimpses of the coming of the Messiah (chapter 9, verse 9):
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Lo, your king comes to you;
triumphant and victorious is he,
humble and riding on an ---,
on a colt the foal of an ---.
And you recall how those words were literally fulfilled in the New Testament when our Lord sent his disciples to find a colt and an --- and he mounted the --- and rode in triumph in the streets of Jerusalem with the people going before and shouting "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" (Matt. 21:9) Exactly and unconsciously fulfilling this prophecy of Zechariah, "Lo, your king comes to you; triumphant and victorious," and you will know him because he is riding on an --- accompanied with a colt.
And yet, they did not know him and they did not recognize him when he came even in such a remarkable way. And as he drew near to Jerusalem, he wept as he looked out over the impenitent city and he said these remarkable words, "Would that even today you knew the things that make for peace. But now they are hid from your eyes." (Luke 19:42) That is what happens when God moves in your life and you do not listen; you lose the ability to hear, and these things are hid from your eyes. And the judgment of blindness came upon these people.
In chapter 11, after many rebuffs, the Messiah, again speaking through the prophet, says these amazing words (verse 12):
Then I said to them, "If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them." And they weighed out as my wages thirty shekels of silver.
How much did Judas contract for in betraying our Lord? Thirty shekels of silver. According to the law if a slave was gored by an ox, the man who owned the ox could settle the whole matter by paying his neighbor thirty shekels of silver. Here the Messiah says to these people, "All right now, look if you want me, say so, but if you do not, give me my wages. What do you think I am worth to you?" And they weighed out for his price thirty shekels of silver.
Then comes the second result of an unrepentant heart and life (chapter 11, verses 15-17):
Then the LORD said to me, "Take once more the implement of a worthless shepherd. For lo, I am raising up in the land a shepherd who does not care for the perishing, or seek the wandering, or heal the maimed, or nourish the sound, but devours the flesh of the fat ones, tearing off even their hoofs.
Woe to my worthless shepherd,
who deserts the flock!
May the sword smite his arm
and his right eye!
Let his arm be wholly withered,
his right eye utterly blinded!"
In other words, if you refuse the true shepherd, God will allow you to have a false shepherd. Again it was the Lord Jesus who said to the Pharisees, the blinded Pharisees of his day, "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive." (John 5:43) This is that character whom Paul tells us about in Thessalonians called the man of lawlessness who comes to Israel as their deliverer and is received as the Messiah, but turns out to be the anti-Messiah, what we know as the anti-Christ, the false shepherd who comes when they reject and refuse the truth. (2 Thess. 2:3ff)
I have often wondered at the number of people who fall into anti-Christian cults that abound today. Why is it? Time after time I have found that they have done so because they have rejected some opportunity to hear the truth, and the result is that they fall into the clutches of what sounds like truth but is a lie. As Paul says, "God sends upon them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false...who did not believe the truth." (2 Thess. 2:11)
Then we come to the last section, chapters 12 through 14, where we have this beautiful picture of God finding a way to come back into the lives of his people. It opens with these words (chapter 12, verses 2, 3):
"Lo, I am about to make Jerusalem a cop of reeling to all the peoples round about; It will be against Judah also in the siege against Jerusalem. On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it shall grievously hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will come together against it."
According to the scriptures, the darkest days for Jerusalem lie yet ahead. It shall become a burden to the nations, a grievous stone of stumbling, the prophetic scriptures say. The peoples of the nations shall be gathered together about the city and Zechariah tells us that God will not allow himself to be ignored. He vows that he will break through into human consciousness and it will come about this way (verses 9, 10):
"And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."
Isn't that amazing? Israel in its blindness refusing its Messiah refusing to recognize the one that God sent, never realizing that the one whom they pierced is coming again And when he comes. he will speak these words (chapter 13 verse 6):
"And if one asks him, 'What are these wounds on your back?'" [or as other versions say in your hands ] "He will say, 'The wounds I received in the house of my friends.'"
This ties in with the vivid, descriptive sequence in chapter 14 (verses 1-4):
Behold, a day of the LORD is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives...
You remember that was the place that Jesus stood on this earth He went out with his disciples on the Mount of Olives and as they watched him he was taken up out of their sight into the heavens and an angel standing there said to them, This Jesus who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven " (Acts 1:11 ).
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the sides of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. (14:4, 5)
Geologists have long known that one of the greatest faults in the earth's surface runs right through the Mount of Olives. The mountain shall be split in half, and then what? Well, when Israel has seen its Messiah and mourned for the one whom it pierced and has recognized with great mourning that it had turned its back upon the one sent of God, then we read (chapter 14, verses 8,9):
On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter. And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
This is picturing the glory of the earth in the days when God shall reign through his Son as king.
The book closes then with these beautiful words (verse 20, 21):
And on that day there shall be inscribed on the bells of the horses, "Holy to the LORD." And the pots in the house of the LORD shall be as the bowls before the altar; and every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be sacred to the LORD of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them and boil the flesh of the sacrifice in them. And there shall no longer be a trader in the house of the LORD of hosts on that day.
Every commonplace thing is made to be holy unto the Lord. Do you know that that is what God is promising to you? Every moment of your life, every commonplace thing is touched with the glory of his presence when he is in the center of your life. It will be visibly true on the earth someday. It can be spiritually true right now.
.Zechariah: You Return to Me, I'll Return to You!
The book of Zechariah has been called the Apocalypse of the Old Testament. Like the book of Revelation, Zechariah is a book of prophecy. Its theme is to set forth the program of God, which is also the theme of the book of Revelation. The difference is that in Zechariah Israel is in the foreground and the Gentile nations in the background, while in the book of Revelation the Gentile nations are in the foreground and the continuous thread that ties them together is the nation of Israel.
The first verse of Zechariah reveals in a very interesting way this focus on the nation Israel:
In the eighth month, in the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, son of Iddo, the prophet.
We usually read through these opening verses without thinking of them as having much significance, but remember that Hebrew names mean something. The most outstanding example perhaps of the significance of Hebrew names is Methuselah, the name of the oldest man who ever lived. His name means "when he dies it will come"---and when he died, the flood came, just as that name prophesied.
Here, we have three names that are very significant. Zechariah means "God remembers" and Berechiah, his father's name, means "God blesses" and his grandfather's name Iddo, means "At the appointed time." That is the theme of the book of Zechariah. It is a book of encouragement to the people of Israel.
Zechariah was a contemporary with Haggai, one of the prophets who ministered to the remnant who had returned from captivity in Babylon. Although they were back in Jerusalem rebuilding the temple and the city, they were still vassals of Babylon, still subject to the Gentile nations around them, without much hope for the future. It was a discouraging, depressing time, and a spirit of dark pessimism gripped these people. And Zechariah comes to them in the midst of their depression, with this announcement that is even wrapped up in his name and ancestry: Jehovah blesses, Jehovah remembers at the appointed time. What an encouragement those names must have been.
At the beginning of the first chapter there is a brief outline of the book. This is often true of the Bible, and if you look for these little outlines, you can often find a brief summary of the message of the book in the opening sections. Here it is broken up in a dramatic way by the name of God, the Jehovah of hosts. It is one of the unusual names of God. Jehovah of hosts, that is, the God of the masses---the God of all the armies, whether they be angel armies, human armies, demonic armies, makes no difference. The stars are also called the hosts. This is the God who is sovereign over all the masses, whoever they may be. And this name is repeated three times (verses 2-3):
"The LORD [Jehovah] was very angry with your fathers. Therefore say to them, Thus says the Lord [Jehovah] of hosts: Return to me, says the LORD of hosts, and I will return to you, says the LORD of hosts."
Three times that name is repeated. What is said before each of those repetitions marks the divisions of this book. It falls into three brief sections. The first one is included in,
"The Lord was very angry with your fathers."
That marks the first division, comprising just the first six verses which describe God's displeasure with his people. Then we have,
"Return to me."
And that marks the second division, covering from chapter 1, verse 7, clear over to chapter 6, verse 15, speaking of God's deliverance of his people. Then, chapters 7 through 14 make up the third division which is an exposition of these words:
"and I will return to you, says the Lord."
That is always God's way. If you find yourself straying away from his presence and as a result, your life grows cold, your faith grows dim, you grow discouraged, you are defeated, you find yourself exposed to all types of temptations and prey to every evil thought, what must you do? "Return to me," says the Lord, "and I will return to you." If you want God back in your life, with all the glory of his presence, then come back to him. That is always the formula.
As I have indicated, the first six verses are just a brief resume of God's quarrel with his people, the fact that they are displeased him, as we have seen all through the Old Testament. There is no need to dwell upon this. God is always displeased when his people turn from him, whether we are looking at God's people of Israel or God's people of the church.
Then, beginning with verse seven, a most remarkable vision was given to the prophet. A vision that is divided up into a series of eight, which were all given to Zechariah on the same night, and these also fall into major divisions. These three divisions are like three acts in a great drama that was revealed to the prophet. You might think of them as God's "First Nighter Program, " because they all came on one night to the prophet. As we read them, we can imagine we have been invited to attend this drama that God is unfolding to the prophet. God is the author, Zechariah is the producer, and we are the audience.
The vision covers all the time from Zechariah's day through the present, clear on to the coming of the Lord. The first act is made up of two visions. One is a vision of a watcher looking out over the people in the valley. The watcher is riding upon a horse and with him are gathered other riders upon horses. And the angel of the Lord interprets the vision to the prophet. The meaning of this is simply that Israel was that people down in the valley, symbolized here for us by the lowly myrtle shrub, and they could see that they were in a shadowed place. It was a time of despair and difficult days. But what they could not see---what the prophet was revealing to them---was this unseen one who was watching the whole procedure and saw what was going on and had with him the great resources to meet their need in the hour of despair.
Now the second vision in the first act speaks of four smiths, or workmen---actually, carpenters. It was a vision of four horns and four smiths. This is also interpreted to the prophet. He sees that like the riders in the vision before, these are divine agents, angels perhaps, who are sent out to terrify the nations. So we see that this is a picture of the desperate need of Israel to return to God. Israel was discouraged at the display of the powers and forces in opposition against them. But what they did not see was the resources. They were unconscious of the divine agents that were there to move on their behalf and that is what God revealed to them.
So the curtain falls at the end of Act One, and in the second chapter it rises on Act Two, which is one single vision. It is a vision of a man with a measuring line in his hand who went out to measure the city of Jerusalem and as he did this, the interpreting angel said to the prophet (verses 4-5):
'Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of men and cattle in it. For I will be to her a wall of fire round about, says the Lord, and I will be the glory within her.'
This is followed by a beautiful description of the days of blessing that are to come upon Israel, all to be literally fulfilled as Israel would be brought some day back into the place of blessing in the land of Israel.
This is the picture of God's promise to those who return. It is always one of blessing. Come back, and blessing flows from that act of return, for God is the center of blessing. Blessing can come from no other source. If your life is empty, you need God. If you are a Christian and your life is empty, you need to return to God. It is out of the resources of God that blessings come. The man with a measuring line is simply a very descriptive symbol of the unlimited, measureless blessing that God is ready to pour out into the life of one who comes back into a relationship with him.
Act Three now opens with five more visions. Here is the way to return to God, acted out for you in these five visions. In the first scene, Joshua the high priest is revealed, standing before God. Opposed to Joshua is Satan, the adversary. Now the people could see the adversary. They knew that Satan was against them. But what they could not see was the advocate, the one who stood on their behalf and who ministered for them. Then we see, in this wonderfully moving vision, how Joshua is cleansed; his filthy garments are taken off and he is clad in new, clean garments and the statement is made that God would do this simply because he chose to do so. "I have chosen Jerusalem," he says, just as he says of us. Why does he bless us? Because he has chosen to do so.
Then in the latter part of this chapter 3 is a wonderful vision that looks forward to the work of Christ upon the cross (verse 8):
"Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men of good omen: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch. For behold, upon the stone which I have set before Joshua, upon a single stone with seven facets, I will engrave its inscription, says the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the guilt of this land in a single day."
This is a marvelous prophecy of the coming of the one who would be Jehovah's servant, the Branch. One who would have the marks of the crucifixion and who would be the instrument by which the guilt of the land was removed in a single day. And in that day blessing would flow out as God's manifestation of his right to cleanse the sinner without charging him, accusing him, or condemning him. Cleansing is the first step in the way back.
Then in Scene Two we see what follows the cleansing of God---the power of the Holy Spirit---in the vision of the lampstand and the olive tree. It pictures the Spirit-filled life. Oil always refers to the Holy Spirit, and here were olive trees continually dripping oil out of their branches into a lampstand, and it was burning brightly. What wonderful symbolism of the fact that the Lord within us is constantly supplying that inner strengthening that makes it possible for us to burn brightly as light in the midst of a dark generation.
Scene Three opens on a flying scroll, a gigantic scroll with scriptures written on both sides, and with curses against the thieves and the blasphemers among the people. It pictures the judgment of Israel, the going forth of the law in the midst of corruption. Now they could see the corruption but they could not see the law. So this is God's encouragement in the hour of darkness when all they could see was corruption, and everything going to pieces. What they could not see was God's agency working to bring a curse upon that lawlessness to bring it to an end.
Then, in Scene Four, Zechariah sees a woman in an ephah. An ephah is like a big bushel basket, and while the prophet and the angel watched, wings were given to this basket and it flew away to the land of Babylon. What does this strange thing mean? If you had a vision like that you would wonder what you had been eating the night before! But the prophet knows that a meaningful vision has been given to him. As he meditates upon it, he can understand it because it contains terms that are used elsewhere in the Scripture. Whenever a woman appears symbolically in Scripture, there is always reference to something wrong in the realm of religion. (I did not invent that, the scriptures did.) Here, then, is the picture of the judgment of the false faith, the false church, very much as we find in the book of Revelation where a woman who is the false church is called Babylon the great. Zechariah sees the same thing; God's judgment upon hypocritical religion, false faith.
Then in the final scene, the prophet sees the four chariots which rode out upon the earth, very much like the vision in Revelation of the four horsemen who ride and bring judgment upon the world. The curtain rings down, then, on this great drama of redemption of the future. It is God's great symbolic play of the way back to him---first by cleansing, then by the filling of the Holy Spirit, then the putting away of evil in its various forms and finally the judgment of the entire earth as God brings the evil of men to the seat of judgment.
Chapter 7 marks a new division in the book and in this chapter we find God speaking in a different way. Instead of using visions, he speaks to the prophet in a direct address. The heart of this section is the prophet's announcement in chapter 8, verse 3:
"Thus says the LORD: I will return to Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem, and Jerusalem shall be called the faithful city, and the mountain of the LORD of hosts, the holy mountain."
Here is a picture of God dwelling in the midst of his people. One day this is going to be fulfilled on the earth. In the land of Israel, what has been predicted is taking place, one startling event after another. The return of Jerusalem to Jewish control has prepared the way for the rebuilding of the temple on its old site. Scripture has long predicted that this would be one of the opening signs that God was about to move again to restore Israel at last to its place among the nations.
So we can read this section with great interest because it pictures something that is historically coming to pass, but we can read it with even greater interest because of what is spiritually symbolized in our own lives---God in the midst of us. What will the result be? God dwelling in us, renewing the inner man, a fountain of blessing pouring out in our lives, making us fruitful and effective and a blessing to all with whom we come in contact. That is the picture of these last scenes.
Chapters 7 and 8 link together in a plea of God to the people to be honest and open before him. It is again a rehearsal of their failures in his sight and then a reminder that while he is unfailing in his mercy and grace, he is unchanging in his standards. He always supplies what is necessary but he never lowers the standards. The people react as people often do, in these three ways; first (chapter 7, verse 11):
But they refused to hearken, and turned a stubborn shoulder, and stopped their ears that they might not hear.
That is always the first step. They pretend not to hear. And then (verse 12):
They made their hearts like adamant led they should hear the law and the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by his Spirit through the former prophets.
They deliberately disobeyed, and then finally, they began to play the hypocrite. The chapter opens with a question of the people, "Shall we keep on with these feasts that we began in Babylon?" And God's word to them is, "Why are you doing it? Are you celebrating these feasts because you mean to worship, or simply for a religious show?"
These are some of the very ways that we avoid the will of God today. I remember years ago, one of my daughters was told by her mother to put on a green dress. It was interesting to watch her. She pretended at first not to hear. Then after her mother repeated the request several times, she openly rebelled and just said, "No. I don't want to wear that dress." And then, when it looked as though she would have to wear it, she came up to her mother and said, "Mother, I want to wear the green dress, but it is just too dirty," which was not true at all. In other words, she followed exactly the program that is outlined here. She pretended not to hear, she directly disobeyed, and then she played the hypocrite, and pretended that it was right and proper that she should disobey in this way. How accurately this catches up the inherent deceitful tendencies of the human heart!
But now God goes on to point out that the result will be a blindness to truth; that ultimately, they will lose the ability to see and hear. This is set forth for us in chapters 9 and 10---the picture of the blindness of the people, and right in the midst of this, you have the first of several amazingly accurate glimpses of the coming of the Messiah (chapter 9, verse 9):
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Lo, your king comes to you;
triumphant and victorious is he,
humble and riding on an ---,
on a colt the foal of an ---.
And you recall how those words were literally fulfilled in the New Testament when our Lord sent his disciples to find a colt and an --- and he mounted the --- and rode in triumph in the streets of Jerusalem with the people going before and shouting "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" (Matt. 21:9) Exactly and unconsciously fulfilling this prophecy of Zechariah, "Lo, your king comes to you; triumphant and victorious," and you will know him because he is riding on an --- accompanied with a colt.
And yet, they did not know him and they did not recognize him when he came even in such a remarkable way. And as he drew near to Jerusalem, he wept as he looked out over the impenitent city and he said these remarkable words, "Would that even today you knew the things that make for peace. But now they are hid from your eyes." (Luke 19:42) That is what happens when God moves in your life and you do not listen; you lose the ability to hear, and these things are hid from your eyes. And the judgment of blindness came upon these people.
In chapter 11, after many rebuffs, the Messiah, again speaking through the prophet, says these amazing words (verse 12):
Then I said to them, "If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them." And they weighed out as my wages thirty shekels of silver.
How much did Judas contract for in betraying our Lord? Thirty shekels of silver. According to the law if a slave was gored by an ox, the man who owned the ox could settle the whole matter by paying his neighbor thirty shekels of silver. Here the Messiah says to these people, "All right now, look if you want me, say so, but if you do not, give me my wages. What do you think I am worth to you?" And they weighed out for his price thirty shekels of silver.
Then comes the second result of an unrepentant heart and life (chapter 11, verses 15-17):
Then the LORD said to me, "Take once more the implement of a worthless shepherd. For lo, I am raising up in the land a shepherd who does not care for the perishing, or seek the wandering, or heal the maimed, or nourish the sound, but devours the flesh of the fat ones, tearing off even their hoofs.
Woe to my worthless shepherd,
who deserts the flock!
May the sword smite his arm
and his right eye!
Let his arm be wholly withered,
his right eye utterly blinded!"
In other words, if you refuse the true shepherd, God will allow you to have a false shepherd. Again it was the Lord Jesus who said to the Pharisees, the blinded Pharisees of his day, "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive." (John 5:43) This is that character whom Paul tells us about in Thessalonians called the man of lawlessness who comes to Israel as their deliverer and is received as the Messiah, but turns out to be the anti-Messiah, what we know as the anti-Christ, the false shepherd who comes when they reject and refuse the truth. (2 Thess. 2:3ff)
I have often wondered at the number of people who fall into anti-Christian cults that abound today. Why is it? Time after time I have found that they have done so because they have rejected some opportunity to hear the truth, and the result is that they fall into the clutches of what sounds like truth but is a lie. As Paul says, "God sends upon them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false...who did not believe the truth." (2 Thess. 2:11)
Then we come to the last section, chapters 12 through 14, where we have this beautiful picture of God finding a way to come back into the lives of his people. It opens with these words (chapter 12, verses 2, 3):
"Lo, I am about to make Jerusalem a cop of reeling to all the peoples round about; It will be against Judah also in the siege against Jerusalem. On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; all who lift it shall grievously hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will come together against it."
According to the scriptures, the darkest days for Jerusalem lie yet ahead. It shall become a burden to the nations, a grievous stone of stumbling, the prophetic scriptures say. The peoples of the nations shall be gathered together about the city and Zechariah tells us that God will not allow himself to be ignored. He vows that he will break through into human consciousness and it will come about this way (verses 9, 10):
"And on that day I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."
Isn't that amazing? Israel in its blindness refusing its Messiah refusing to recognize the one that God sent, never realizing that the one whom they pierced is coming again And when he comes. he will speak these words (chapter 13 verse 6):
"And if one asks him, 'What are these wounds on your back?'" [or as other versions say in your hands ] "He will say, 'The wounds I received in the house of my friends.'"
This ties in with the vivid, descriptive sequence in chapter 14 (verses 1-4):
Behold, a day of the LORD is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives...
You remember that was the place that Jesus stood on this earth He went out with his disciples on the Mount of Olives and as they watched him he was taken up out of their sight into the heavens and an angel standing there said to them, This Jesus who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven " (Acts 1:11 ).
On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the sides of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. (14:4, 5)
Geologists have long known that one of the greatest faults in the earth's surface runs right through the Mount of Olives. The mountain shall be split in half, and then what? Well, when Israel has seen its Messiah and mourned for the one whom it pierced and has recognized with great mourning that it had turned its back upon the one sent of God, then we read (chapter 14, verses 8,9):
On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter. And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
This is picturing the glory of the earth in the days when God shall reign through his Son as king.
The book closes then with these beautiful words (verse 20, 21):
And on that day there shall be inscribed on the bells of the horses, "Holy to the LORD." And the pots in the house of the LORD shall be as the bowls before the altar; and every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be sacred to the LORD of hosts, so that all who sacrifice may come and take of them and boil the flesh of the sacrifice in them. And there shall no longer be a trader in the house of the LORD of hosts on that day.
Every commonplace thing is made to be holy unto the Lord. Do you know that that is what God is promising to you? Every moment of your life, every commonplace thing is touched with the glory of his presence when he is in the center of your life. It will be visibly true on the earth someday. It can be spiritually true right now.
What this guy (Al) seems to be doing is taking bits and pieces of the word and allegorizing everything to fit his agenda and l'm not buying. Some things we pray for that don't come to pass are for a reason and season and to say it's our fault because we're all dead nit wits and we need the stone stone peoples help is just a lot of hooey...
Am l getting it wrong here or is this just more twisting by the Elijah list people to try to prepare you for their grand "appearance" I think this is the false manifest sons. Sorry. I keep trying to make this work but it's not working. I go back and question myself saying. I'm l in unbelief? Is that why this rock hasn't moved? NO N-O... I'm not in unbelief. God has his seasons. I don't care what this guy says and the heart of Jacob will remain hard until God's perfect timing says NOW. And it's not going to be because the Elijah list people have come onto the scene clanging their cymbals and ringing their bells. It's going to be when the time of the Gentiles is full and God turns his eyes to the Jew ...the remnant that will then receive him because God says it not because some false remnant has arrive to proclaim it. Then through the Jew the world will receive in great abundance.
I believe this guy wants you to think that him and his people are the remnant not the Jew. But Zechariah is very clear here.
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Al says the stone people are the remnant from Zach 8:12
But who are the remnant Zachariah is referring to? I will post below a commentary on those people but first l want to say that this fellow wants you to believe that the thing you have been praying for hasn't happened because you're a stooge who doesn't know how to pray and that people like him and the Elijah list people are about to mount there white horses and come to the rescue demonstrating their great powers to all us nit wits who don't know how to pray. This is so elementary....I believe this guy wants you to think that him and his people are the remnant not the Jew. But Zechariah is very clear here.
Behind the stone were the answers to prayer requests that have piled up for years.
I think you are being hyper critical of this prophetic event. As I went to church last night the pastor read this word from the pulpit and we discussed it at length. It happens to fit snuggly with things that some of us are experienceing locally and of course, truth is in the ear of the beholder. I can relate to that which you said.."been there done that and the stone is still there" or words to that effect...but that does not automatically annul a thing...times and seasons and all that...
I do not think this word was conjured up to fulfill some private interpretation or agenda....
There is a promise in the Spirit these days that God is going to bring things to pass quickly..If I can find it I will quote it in here later...
I was led to this word from scripture the second I sat at the keyboard to reply to this...
Psa 56:8 Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: [are they] not in thy book? Psa 56:9 When I cry [unto thee], then shall mine enemies turn back: this I know; for God [is] for me. Psa 56:10 In God will I praise [his] word: in the LORD will I praise [his] word. Psa 56:11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me. Psa 56:12 Thy vows [are] upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee. Psa 56:13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: [wilt] not [thou deliver] my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?
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In spite of its massive size, I could see crowds of people pushing with all of their might to move the stone. It was a fruitless effort. Many grew weary, became discouraged and walked away[/color]. A few people tried to chip away at the stone with primitive tools but the tools started to break and fall apart, so they also gave up. Another group (brimming with confidence) brought in the latest heavy construction mountain moving machines. The crowd get excited when the ‘big boys’ showed up with the ‘big toys.’ Then quickly, faces frowned when they failed to even dent the stone. Some people devoted their entire life to the stone; either by trying to push it, beg it to move or even explode it. Everybody else talked about the stone. Some said, “It’s God’s will for the stone never to be moved.” Others said, “It will be moved in God’s time, not ours, it is not our business to move the stone, just let things be as they are.” Then the vision changed as I saw a small remnant of people (Zachariah 8:12) who seemed to take a different approach to the problem. They were dressed in white and they carried slings. They had no tools. They didn’t even try to move the stone. Instead, they intently looked at the stone (Acts 3:4) and then they looked up (Psalm 34:5). They seemed to mumble something at the stone and speak to the heavens. After speaking to one another and to heaven, they waited (Psalm 130: 5-6). Then, the massive stone started to move!
This is a slam to people who have been praying in earnest. The right way. For years. Sure there have always been people who don't know how to pray...But sometimes God says don't pray. Look in the book if you don't believe me. He is in control. Not conjured up faith.
The remnant he claims to show up is the Zach. 8: 12 remnant and it has nothing to do with the way this has been allegorized. I understand you spoke of it in your church last night. That is confirmation the Lord is bringing it to our attention... Ask yourself this question. Who are the remnant of Zach 8:12? Not us and not some group of people who have the magic bullet. The only one saying yay or nay is the Lord himself and he says it to the Jews in their time. They are remnant of Zach 8:12
The prayers behind the rock are simply not all going to be fulfilled in this life. It's part of growing up to understand this. ONE DAY...
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On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter. And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
This is picturing the glory of the earth in the days when God shall reign through his Son as king.
This is picturing the glory of the earth in the days when God shall reign through his Son as king.
This purposed word is just another spank spank thing again to try to make you feel like everything isn't going the way you want because you haven't arrived at your level of faith yet. I can't help speaking because it really bothers me. I'm sorry it appears l'm coming across as really negative but l just have to look closely at what is being said. I think this guy takes bits and pieces of scripture and allegorized them to fit his interpretation of things. Then he said it was from the Lord. I hope l never do this. Probable some of you think l do. May God help us all.
The only way l can see this prophecy working is if the stone people are 144,00 Jews who will be imbued with power from on high for the last days ministry.... and that the heart they once had that was set in stone now become the weapon to break the many hearts set in stone that have been left behind as the lukewarm church.
But l believe this guy is trying to say that the remnant is people like him.
It doesn't fit Biblically to who Zach. is saying the remnant is. It's a contradiction unless you allegorized the whole thing.
But l believe this guy is trying to say that the remnant is people like him.
It doesn't fit Biblically to who Zach. is saying the remnant is. It's a contradiction unless you allegorized the whole thing.
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In spite of its massive size, I could see crowds of people pushing with all of their might to move the stone. It was a fruitless effort. Many grew weary, became discouraged and walked away[/color]. A few people tried to chip away at the stone with primitive tools but the tools started to break and fall apart, so they also gave up. Another group (brimming with confidence) brought in the latest heavy construction mountain moving machines. The crowd get excited when the ‘big boys’ showed up with the ‘big toys.’ Then quickly, faces frowned when they failed to even dent the stone. Some people devoted their entire life to the stone; either by trying to push it, beg it to move or even explode it. Everybody else talked about the stone. Some said, “It’s God’s will for the stone never to be moved.” Others said, “It will be moved in God’s time, not ours, it is not our business to move the stone, just let things be as they are.” Then the vision changed as I saw a small remnant of people (Zachariah 8:12) who seemed to take a different approach to the problem. They were dressed in white and they carried slings. They had no tools. They didn’t even try to move the stone. Instead, they intently looked at the stone (Acts 3:4) and then they looked up (Psalm 34:5). They seemed to mumble something at the stone and speak to the heavens. After speaking to one another and to heaven, they waited (Psalm 130: 5-6). Then, the massive stone started to move!
This is a slam to people who have been praying in earnest. The right way. For years. Sure there have always been people who don't know how to pray...But sometimes God says don't pray. Look in the book if you don't believe me. He is in control. Not conjured up faith.
The remnant he claims to show up is the Zach. 8: 12 remnant and it has nothing to do with the way this has been allegorized. I understand you spoke of it in your church last night. That is confirmation the Lord is bringing it to our attention... Ask yourself this question. Who are the remnant of Zach 8:12? Not us and not some group of people who have the magic bullet. The only one saying yay or nay is the Lord himself and he says it to the Jews in their time. They are remnant of Zach 8:12
The prayers behind the rock are simply not all going to be fulfilled in this life. It's part of growing up to understand this. ONE DAY...
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On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter. And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one.
This is picturing the glory of the earth in the days when God shall reign through his Son as king.
This is picturing the glory of the earth in the days when God shall reign through his Son as king.
This purposed word is just another spank spank thing again to try to make you feel like everything isn't going the way you want because you haven't arrived at your level of faith yet. I can't help speaking because it really bothers me. I'm sorry it appears l'm coming across as really negative but l just have to look closely at what is being said. I think this guy takes bits and pieces of scripture and allegorized them to fit his interpretation of things. Then he said it was from the Lord. I hope l never do this. Probable some of you think l do. May God help us all.
I feel a buzz in this word (likely because I "want to believe") but I must admit with all candor that at the end of the day it appears most of the prophetic word which comes up these days is nothing more than fluff. I have had a "reasonable" amount of "I'm about to" prophetic word spoken over me and I am still waiting in the line up for forthcoming answers as well...
You seem to inhabit a place that words like this do a lot of harm to what may be immature Christians, or perhaps invalid (infirm) kinda sorta Christians..like they may be already limping and this capsizes them...but for my part all these posts talking about Mary and her extreme prowess to be an ark or whatever are more threatening to the indigenous understanding that we all have a unique place in God. But for all of that there is no greater survivorship than the relationship we have in Christ..both with Him, and with each other...I stand with you in all affirmation of our individual fortune at having come to know Him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords to the glory of God the Father.
What if we are the stone people? What if you, Miki, Fervent, Pamela, Cornelius, Rosielovesjesus, and others here are the stone people?
I don't don't believe in coincidences for one, and this very subject has been posted twice in this forum! One from Fevent, who I do feel is very plugged in.
We are talking about faith, pondering it discussing it as it is said in this vision.
Read "The Pain Manifesto." I believe the answer is there. Ponder it, test it, pray about it, but read it!
Love HB
I don't don't believe in coincidences for one, and this very subject has been posted twice in this forum! One from Fevent, who I do feel is very plugged in.
We are talking about faith, pondering it discussing it as it is said in this vision.
Read "The Pain Manifesto." I believe the answer is there. Ponder it, test it, pray about it, but read it!
Love HB
Miki you said: It is not by my faith but by God's timing...
Maybe, just maybe its: God waiting for our faith to reach His timing....
Maybe, just maybe its: God waiting for our faith to reach His timing....
...well, I am tired of this old stone. It's going down. If anyone want it gone to PM me. I've got an idea.
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What if we are the stone people? What if you, Miki, Fervent, Pamela, Cornelius, Rosielovesjesus, and others here are the stone people?
I don't don't believe in coincidences for one, and this very subject has been posted twice in this forum! One from Fevent, who I do feel is very plugged in.
We are talking about faith, pondering it discussing it as it is said in this vision.
Read "The Pain Manifesto." I believe the answer is there. Ponder it, test it, pray about it, but read it!
Love HB
That word bout the stone people is about the gift of faith...
"I want my children to revisit their personal tomb. They also will find the stone has been removed and answered prayers resurrected. I am giving the church the same faith I gave them. I am going to remove the stone that hinders My faith from operating in you. When those women saw the stone removed, they believed. Faith in Me is not human confidence; it is a manifestation of My Spirit. I am about to remove the stone of unbelief and pour out My gift of Faith (1 Corinthians 12: 9) on multitudes. Yet, I will not do what you can do…"
The Lord woke me up early this day and shortly after 5:00 AM I was in my prayer closet reading the word of God. Suddenly I heard in the Spirit “Seek ye first the kingdom of God”. The Lord has been faithful and consistent in His teaching via the Holy Ghost since August 1999. What I recorded below is a result of different contacts with other brothers and sisters professing Jesus Christ from yesterday. There is always some truth is what was spoken. As the Lord has done in the past days, again He taught me His truth and what He wants us to do. God changes not and Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and for ever. Here is what my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ spoke this day.
“Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all other things will be added unto you. What does it mean to seek the kingdom of God? Where do you find kingdom advice? Who is to be your teacher to bring you into the kingdom? Where is knowledge and wisdom found?
Heed My words this day My children that you will not be deceived. Why do you look behind and continue to turn over the old stones to bring forth pus and infections of past things? That is not where My knowledge and wisdom is found. Look up to Me and hear My Spirit to be set free to worship Me in spirit and truth. It is by My commands that you must do to be set free. I died that you may live. I died that the Holy Spirit may come to you. Seek and receive My truth by the Holy Spirit. How can you walk My path, the narrow path, and climb My spiritual mountain by dragging the teachings of man behind you? Again look up to the one who has knowledge and wisdom to give. Look up and receive our love to be approved. Where do you think you will find the will of My Father? Do you think it will be under the stones of man with pus and infection of don’t touch and don’t do because man says it is evil? Am I not greater than man’s sayings? My word says draw nigh to God and God will draw nigh to you if you quit sinning. Looking under man’s stones is sin. The Spirit has been given and is ready to come to you to teach you My truths. How can you do that if your time is spent turning over the stones of man touching all of his dead things. I am alive ready to give all that My Father has given Me by the Holy Ghost.
Hear Me you stone turners. I have called many. I have given dreams and visions to many. I have spoken to many. Now I expect you to seek My heavenly ways and My heavenly truths to find and do the will of My Father that I may receive you on that day. Quit being legalists and spouting don’t do, don’t touch and don’t speak My name but by a certain correctness. Quit being slugs under those stones you are turning over. I died that you may be set free. I died that you may live upon this earth with Holy Ghost power. I died and opened the narrow path for you. Quit your foolishness and seek the kingdom of God by the words I spoke and the example I set or I will come against you removing My Spirit from you. Repent and seek the Holy Ghost listening to his advice that you may live.
It was the slugs in My day that had Me put on the cross. This had to be to fulfill what the prophets spoke about Me. I set you free. Now stay free. Quit turning over man’s stones exposing yourselves as slugs. If you don’t the very stones you are overturning will give Me praise being ready to receive Me when I come. Repent, draw nigh unto Me by the Spirit I sent to be the people, My Church, that I am coming for. The slugs that came against Me and My disciples in My day cannot come where I am. Repent that you may not hear “depart from Me you workers of iniquity” on that day. Repent and spend you time seeking Me to be intimate with Me to climb My narrow path. Quit saying don’t do, don’t touch and don’t speak. Instead say “Lord your will be done” to be a sweet spiritual fragrance to Me. Listen to the Spirit and come into My perfection to be one with Me to be My Church I am coming for. Otherwise you are like a statue crafted by the woodworkers that cut down the tree in the forest.” Amen.
The Holy Ghost being the teacher is always ready to bring forth the truth from the throne room of God if we will take the time to stop and listen. 1 John 2:27-29 27 But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ. 28 And now, dear children, continue to live in fellowship with Christ so that when he returns, you will be full of courage and not shrink back from him in shame. 29 Since we know that God is always right, we also know that all who do what is right are his children. (NLT) And how do we know if we have received the Holy Spirit? What did Peter, John and Paul teach and do? Read the book of Acts. To do what is right to be children of God, what must we do? Read John chapters 14 & 15. Read 1 John 2:3 and 1 John 3:10. Jesus spoke this seven times in Revelation—“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” It is by hearing from the Holy Spirit that we receive the commands from Jesus Christ in this day and hour that we may find and do the will of the Father. Jesus also spoke seven times in Revelation—“He that overcometh” then added what we would receive by overcoming. Especially look at Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: To keep Jesus’ works then we must obey and to obey we must hear what the Spirit is saying to receive the word from heaven to do the works of Jesus Christ being the will of the Father. What happens when we obey the commands of Jesus Christ? Read Revelation 22:14. If we say don’t do, don’t touch, and only speak the name of the Father or the Son by a certain phraseology, is this not like the letter of the law which kills? It is the Spirit of the law that gives live by doing the commands of Jesus Christ written and by hearing the Spirit listening to what Jesus Christ commands are this day to come into His perfection. Heed the words spoken by Jesus Christ in this day. Amen.
We've drifted away from what was originally said and tried to allegorize an answer. Don't always rest in fluffy covers but get out and straighten the bed and see whats causing the fluff under those covers.
This is about.... and was about.... the remnant of Zach 8: 12
HB...it's not us as l see it. (There's no what if here) It's the remnant Jews and l don't see room for allegory here.
To turn it around into some story about slugs under a rock doesn't even make sense to me nor did the original word..
Pam l don't see my faith as being the issue here. God says it's not time yet as is indicated by looking at the whole context of Zach.. It's not time for the remnant until the the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled.
You can't make a pretty allegorized story to distract from the truth of the word. Tell me if l'm getting the remnant of Zach 8: 12 wrong? Lets not just jump out of the net of truth and create a distraction from the point.
The whole of the prophetic word given is based on the fact that the stone people are Zach. 8:12 Tell me if l'm wrong. Prove it and l will listen and with excitement.
It's not throwing stones at someone to search out the truth of what is being said. God tells us to do this.
It's not wrong to look under stones or under the fluff of the covers.
Lois you flood the market with so much it's impossible to go back every single word you post in this manner and get to the truth of the thing...
Actually l believe it's the enemies purpose to do such a thing. We grow weary of defending and seeking a thing out as is evidenced by this one single string. How could we do that with everything that is posted here? (That claim to be a first person word.) So posts slip by and Christians, yet babes, are biting and chewing on things that will leave confusion. (And lead them astray)
Lois you use the words that claim to be from the Lords own lips to declare we have no faith and don't know the Holy Spirit because we test what's presented. I call foul!
People! Anytime you hear someone claiming in first person they are God talking....You had better read well and consider with all common sense what is under the covers...and compare it to the word.
This is about.... and was about.... the remnant of Zach 8: 12
HB...it's not us as l see it. (There's no what if here) It's the remnant Jews and l don't see room for allegory here.
To turn it around into some story about slugs under a rock doesn't even make sense to me nor did the original word..
Pam l don't see my faith as being the issue here. God says it's not time yet as is indicated by looking at the whole context of Zach.. It's not time for the remnant until the the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled.
You can't make a pretty allegorized story to distract from the truth of the word. Tell me if l'm getting the remnant of Zach 8: 12 wrong? Lets not just jump out of the net of truth and create a distraction from the point.
The whole of the prophetic word given is based on the fact that the stone people are Zach. 8:12 Tell me if l'm wrong. Prove it and l will listen and with excitement.
It's not throwing stones at someone to search out the truth of what is being said. God tells us to do this.
It's not wrong to look under stones or under the fluff of the covers.
Lois you flood the market with so much it's impossible to go back every single word you post in this manner and get to the truth of the thing...
Actually l believe it's the enemies purpose to do such a thing. We grow weary of defending and seeking a thing out as is evidenced by this one single string. How could we do that with everything that is posted here? (That claim to be a first person word.) So posts slip by and Christians, yet babes, are biting and chewing on things that will leave confusion. (And lead them astray)
Lois you use the words that claim to be from the Lords own lips to declare we have no faith and don't know the Holy Spirit because we test what's presented. I call foul!
People! Anytime you hear someone claiming in first person they are God talking....You had better read well and consider with all common sense what is under the covers...and compare it to the word.
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