Sodom and Gomorah found?
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Maybe, maybe not... Thought this was interesting...sure does seem like a lot of biblical sites are being found in the last couple of years - perhaps as a last ditch effort to convince skeptics? Hmmm...

video ...............................................................benny ................sorry the uplink did not work...............................................try this...http://www.krqe.com/video/expanded.asp?ID=5418

Sodom was destroyed...how can it be found? Ask a Sodomite...they are everywhere these days...

Sodom was destroyed...how can it be found?.................I am not an archaeologist,....maybe the link that was provided above will answer your question,....I say more power to them, and may the unbeliever reconsider..............................................................Ask a Sodomite...they are everywhere these days...
Yes,...I think that there was a topic about sodomites trying to run a parade in Israel......sad indeed!...........................................................................................benny

That is an interesting concept, (the idea of a gay pride parade having been in israe, (ther have abeen a few already)

However, we have associated the sin of Sodom sa homosexuality and today, when we say sodomite, we think one who sodomizes.....

Howver, the term itself is in fact, not the biblical definition......


What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? biblically? Not what you think it was but what was it?

The actions of one example ( to know the angel men) does not necessarily mean in and of itself, this was the reason for their destruction, rather, it was just part of an overall way of life, some of which, was liberal fornicating with whomever....

Ezekiel 16:
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48As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.



The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah and that whole area had to do with hospitality for the mostpart.... Being rich, they had tons of free time to eat, drink, be merry, party it up... They became self absorbed for the slusts of this life tot eh point of having no concern for those less fortunate.. When the two angels as men came to the city, their only concern was to fulfill the lusts of their own flesh and did not take in a stranger sa was the custom... as honored guests....

MAy believe the sin of Sodom was homosexuality but that is just an effect of a lifestyle of excesses... In our world today, homosexuality is so prevalent because our way of life in the world hsa become excessive.... WE have focused in on our needs, our wants, making life easier as we slave even more to the system.... Any idle time is used to fulfill any and all lusts our minds can conceive, ghedonistically! EAt, drink, be merry for this is where you will have your rewards.... In fact, Paul brings up this very concept regardign the resurrectino. If, as he says, the resurrection is not true, then we are sorrowful people for we sacrifice for what will never be, might as well, eat drink and be merry, live it up..... in other words, by extension, the Romans and the Sodomites and others like them had the greater truth, (which we know Paul was being rhetorical)

These are the sins.... We see one particular side of what they were in Jude:

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

here, Jude focused in on one particular aspect of who they were... again,tthe lifestyle of excess, of hedonism, of self centeredness, of satisfying any and all whims while not concerning themselves with the more needy. Hedonism is such .... it is self absorbed and draws all attention inward....


Now, Fervent, your reply was certainly acting up like a wise ---.... or, you didn't think it thru.... We know Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities of the plain existed in a certain area, in fact, the fires that would erupt in that area, even til Peter's day were used as example in his letter of waht happens , (for the fires still erupted in the area of the tar pits in that day....) Archeologiests have all found remains of pottery, of habitation, of cities in that area. The pottery does in fact, date back to the right times also... Whether it was Sodom or Gomorrah or another city of those plains, various archeologiests have found reason to state, we believe we have found the remains of these cities of ones that surrounded them....

it doesn't matter which ones , in reality they did find because the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah AND the surrounding cities were all destroyed. Would Go dhave destroyed any one of the cities had at least 10 righteos men been found? So, we know all the cities in that area were depraved and all got detroyed for ten good men would have repvented their destruction.... sometimes, we have to learn to listen and study before we act and talk, judging out of rhetoric.

As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

While it would be very interesting if Sodom and Gomorrah were unearthed, i don't think its very plausible.
Judging from the way GOD destroyed pre-flood humanity i wouldn't expect anything to remain of those cities.
There is no trace of any civilizations before the flood, because of the strength of GOD'S hand, so seeing as HE destroyed these cities, HE may very well have sought to literally erase them from non-Biblical memory.
On the topic, does anyone here think that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by an asteroid/meteor shower? Something of that scale would be very effective in completely wiping out and extensive area and to me, it tends to sound alot like "sulfur/brimstone raining from the sky."

w Alayqoum Salaam

Shalom,

Thank you Benny for sharing this

{edit- for some reason it cut some of the pics. out, but you can go to the site to see them and read the article}

i found this-

Sodom and Gomorrah
The Cities of the Plain
Ash and brimstone remain
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The five cities of the plain have been located and the evidence is staggering. For the first time in modern history we have found round balls of brimstone, or nearly pure sulfur, embedded in an ashen area near the Dead Sea, which show clear signs of having once been ancient building structures!

Above: ziggurat stands amidst ashen ruins in Gomorrah, with darker terrain in rear.
Government sign with gate, attempting to keep vehicles out.

Josephus Saw the Cities -- Why Can't We?

The cities were located in the plain, so they should not be located in the low area now covered by the Dead Sea. These cities were well known in the first century, as Josephus said, "The traces or shadows of the five cities are still to be seen." If Josephus could see them, then we should be able to see them also. The water level of the Dead Sea has fallen since the time of Josephus, so the areas Josephus saw in his day are still visible today.

Biblical Warning For All

The cities of the plain were destroyed as a warning for all that this same event will happen again one day to the wicked. One would think God is capable of preserving this ancient lesson for us to see and to learn from.
"Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens" Genesis 19:24. "Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly" II Peter 2:6. (The word for "example" means an exhibit for warning.)

Analysis of the Brimstone

These sulfur balls are mostly golf ball sized, and some have burn marks all around them! Webster's Dictionary says that "brimstone" = sulfur. Accordingly, we have found the absolute proof that we have finally located Sodom and Gomorrah, the cities of the plain!



Above at left is brimstone with a burned, hardened shell that has the unburned sulfur inside, and next to it is brimstone without a burned shell. The photo at right is a shell or capsule with unburned sulfur inside. Tiny crystals are on its surface which were formed when the sulfur was burning and was in a liquid state, then it burned out.




Above: Located on the side of a ziggurat, this brimstone in a shell is opened to reveal the unburned sulfur inside

Each of the cities of the plain contain evidence of brimstone which God rained down upon the cities to destroy them. The brimstone is composed of 96-98 percent sulfur, with trace amounts of magnesium which create an extremely high temperature burn. This is the only place on earth where you can find 96 percent pure monoclinic sulfur in a round ball. This brimstone is NOT from any type of geo-thermal activity as there is no evidence of such in the area, and geo-thermal sulfur nodules are only 40 percent pure sulfur and are of the rhombic type.

continued on site-
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm

My research indicates that the account of Sodom and Gomorrah and its ultimate destruction deals with a vast nation (the plain) of a former “global technoculture” that once thrived upon the Earth that was subject to a thermal nuclear holocaust in a proceeding Earth Age of which our ancient historical period is a subsequent post-catastrophic period. The reality is that civilizational Earth Ages are cyclic, and the Evolutionary Model of linear history is completely inaccurate.

The true vicinity of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities is today the entire Sahara Desert. Landsat (satellite) X-ray images capable of penetrating the sands of the Sahara Region reveals that it was once a vast fertile region dotted with abundant lakes and many rivers. I have been able to determine that the original polar regions of that time were the Brazilian Highlands as the Northern Arctic Ice Cap and the Philippines as the Southern Antarctic Ice Cap. This means the Earth was originally turned on its side, placing the Sahara Region above the equator which ran parallel to the Nile River, originally flowing from west to east. The Western Sahara had the climate of Lower Canada, which would explain the petrified giant tree trunks laid down in Western Sahara where deciduous evergreen forests would have once thrived.

In West Egypt is a region called, “The Great Sand Sea”. At one time the area was completely covered with a peculiar layer of green solidified glass, which tourists would break up and take as souvenirs. The formation of this material remained unexplainable until the 50’s when it was compared to the same identical substance found in the United States in White Sands, New Mexico, where the first surface atomic bombs were tested. The substance is the by-product of thermal nuclear detonations that produced immense radioactive heat that melted the sand into glass. Hence, the Sahara solidified glass is evidence of an ancient thermal nuclear war during the existence of a former (and extinct) global technoculture. Additionally, the same material is found at excavation sites in Mesopotamia (Babylon) at the lowest layer of the excavations’ stratification, indicating annihilation by a thermal nuclear holocaust, and the subsequent rebuilding on the site by post-catastrophic survivors catapulted into a Neobarbaric Period to begin the slow and incremental process of re-civilization all over again, beginning primitively as indicated by the barbaric artifacts and progressing towards a higher sophistication.

Consequently, I hypothesize that Sodom and Gomorrah was part of a “great nation” and a former global technoculture of “Modernity”, and is actually a mirror image, a duplication of our current worldwide cultural zenith, our global technoculture enveloped and entangled in the same immoral decay and self-seeking degeneration, which clearly means our Modernity will also be subject to the same identical fate when our global perversion reaches intolerable saturation, when “the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you” (Leviticus:18:28).

“And you shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination….. Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I Am casting out before you. For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquities upon it, and the land vomit out its inhabitants” (Leviticus 18:22, 24-26).

All I can say to that is "possibly."

The flood in Noah's day was cataclysmic. There is truly no telling what went on under the waters of that world-wide flood. Everything mentioned above, i.e. displaced vegetation, axial shift, etc., could have been a result of the huge amount of tectonic activity below. Fortunately for Noah, water has a way of suppressing the effects of such at its surface, and there weren't any continental shelves of shallow enough depth to create tsunami.

The Biblical record is a good enough account for me. I'll have eternity for God to fill me in on the rest.

In Christ,

Mike

The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit. Sodom and Gomorrah was reestablished on the north western coast of the US among other places before I was born.
The fire and brimstone that removed them the first time left nothing to find.
People who dig up old dead bones instead of doing the will of God are already established liars from the gate. Why would anyone who Loves the Lord believe anything the devil and his messengers have to say?

ASAWR

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I think i can safely recant this comment. I completely believe now that Sodom and Gommorrah have been uncovered.

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Why would that be?
Doesn't the Bible say that Sodom and Gommorrah, as well as Admah and Zeboiim where on the plain just east of the Valley of Siddim, which is between Engedi and the cities of the plain (Sodom, Gommorrah, Admah and Zeboiim) that are to the immediate south and west of the Dead Sea?

W. A. S

Did they find the pillar of salt leaving the city?

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you made me LOL...very good...i needed that...


blessings,
signet

Next day...

23,

i read this again...and i started to laugh out loud again, too, also! makes me laugh...still
very good...laughing is a good thing when we laugh in the joy of the Lord...and have a
happy heart...

funny how some little thing can bless us...still LOL, OK...just giggling, now.

So you're saying that all of the archeologists who work for the Creation Evidence Museum and other facilities of like mind are evil for presenting evidence for Biblical TRUTH? They are every bit as much Christian as you or I, they are called to a different way of ministering to the church. Their work is by offering evidence against such ridiculous ideas as evolution and naturalism. To call them liars for 'digging up old dead bones' would be to call us liars for believing in God. Not ALL archeologists are into the false claims of the naturalists, just most of them. Some are really good Christian people.

As for believing that the world had a previous 'technologically advanced' people who had the atomic bomb, that's as false as evolution. Don't buy it. God's first man was Adam. Period. To dispute the Word is to dispute Him. It is infallible. There is plenty of evidence of pre-flood society, for instance, iron pots and brass bells (used in idol worship) found in supposedly 295 million year old coal deposits. Iron hammers found incased in rock. Goes on and on, and nothing even close to real technology as we know it. Interesting how most of the archeological world won't discuss these finds, isn't it? Simple, it goes against the godless world that they try to prove. Did you know that it only takes two hours in a lab to create coal?, only eight to make diamonds? It is not time that is the variable in making these things, it is the conditions under which they are created. Naturalists want you to think that it took 'millions and millions' of years when it took only a few hours. Good grief, it only took six days for God to make the entire world and everything in it. Don't you think He can make coal in less time?

In Christ, Angela

...i just learned that oil doesn't come from fossils, and that
"fossil fuel" was coined as part of the controls set in place to
create a false economy...and a less than free state...of affairs.

anyone else hear this...i can't remember who taught on this...

some experts also commented on the makeup of the center of
the earth...and that oil, and gases are an output of the chemical
transmission of the molten interior...

not dinosaurs...when i think about this...it would have had to be
a very thick layer and density of the critters to fuel all the
economies of the world right up until now...

please let me know if you have heard this? maybe i have just
got the giggles...

signet

couldnt be an asteroid.
how can watching an asteriod fall from the sky turn someone into salt if they saw it?

Sodom was distroyed for it's homosexual ways and all the miss leading statements can't change that. What a dodge around the terrible sin of homosexuality that was. The Biblical word" to know "[ means sexual contact stop dodging the issue, YAHWEH is watching.






I am finding it hard to believe this is a Christian forum that believes The Bible is true. Now not only has Sodom been found what was left of it but also balls of sulfer. I could send you to a site but think it would be wasted here
The Temple was distroyed no stone left unturned but they are finding proof it was there.

Hi Jamie Bocc, i'm assuming that since you quoted C-los Medrano and myself that you're comment was directed at us.
Please could you point out where either of us said that Sodom and Gommorrah were not destroyed because of homosexaulity, because neither of us ever said that.
Also, i have long since changed my opinion of Sodom and Gommorrah being found, so i believe it totally. Even if i didn't believe that the ruins of Sodom and Gommorrah had been located, that would not at all mean that i don't trust every single waking verse and word of GOD'S (MMMC) completely and utterly INFALLIBLE Word.