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flyingsquirrel
The prophecy of the destruction of Tyre seems close to the prophecy of the destruction of Babylon. Compare
Ezekiel Chapter 29 verses 27-36 and Revelation Chapter 18 verses 11-18. The major difference that seems to be the case is that Tyre goes under the sea and Babylon is destroyed by fire.

EZEKIEL
29 All the rowers and sailors of the sea will leave their ships. They will stand on the land 30 and cry in a loud voice of sorrow over you. They will throw dust on their heads and roll in ashes. 31 They will cut off their hair because of you, and dress themselves in cloth made from hair. They will cry over you with much sorrow in their soul. 32 In their crying they will sing a song of sorrow for you, saying, 'Who is like Tyre, destroyed and quiet in the sea? 33 When your good things went out on the sea, you pleased many nations. With all your riches and good things you made the kings of the earth rich.

REVELATION
17 For in one hour her riches are destroyed.' The captain of every ship and all who traveled on ships and all who worked on ships stood a long way back. 18 They cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'Has there ever been such a city as powerful as this one?' 19 They threw dirt on their heads. They cried out with much sorrow and said, 'It is bad! It is bad for the powerful city! She is the place where all those who owned ships on the sea became rich from all her riches. For in one hour everything is gone!'

ALSO THE PRINCE OF TYRE SEEMS LIKE AN ANTI-CHIRST FIGURE, WHILE THE KING OF TYRE IS AN ADAM FIGURE...A SYMBOL OF FALLEN MAN...IT IS PROPHESIED THAT HE GOES TO THE PIT, JUST LIKE THE BEAST WITH 7 HEADS AND TEN HORNS SHALL RISE AND GO TO THE PIT IN REVELATION 17:7.


The prophecy againist Tyre could also be a prophecy againist Babylon and the Beast ( the Beast represents a group of nations led by the anti-christ who thinks himself a god just like the king of tyre) ?
Miki
Hi Squirrel,

I saw part of a show on the History Channel last night about how Tyre was attacked by the 'mole' and finally brought down after many many attempts.

I'd also been thinking the other day about how God has seperated the USA by water from the rest of advanced civilization for a reason. Protection. But it seems there is coming a day when the mole will surface in a new way... and in season. X

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flyingsquirrel
Something else occured to me while reading your post, Miki. The destruction of Tyre going under the water...isn't that like the destruction from the Flood in the time of Noah? And since the story of the king of Tyre is made like the story of the fall of Adam and his casting out of the Garden of Eden its like the story of Noah, too with Ezekiel being a kind of Noah. The Bible tells the end will be like the days of Noah. In the prophecy againist Tyre is the whole story from creation of Man, to the Fall of Man, the Rebellion of Man, the Flood, and also the destruction of Babylon and the Beast, like the whole story condensed and illustrated by the prophecy againist Tyre.


Also Miki, in the picture you show, the mole, looks like a drawn sword, red with blood...symbolically...in the old testament prophecies it is often said "A sword goes out" or "My sword is drawn"
1LikeDeborah
QUOTE(flyingsquirrel @ Dec 6 2006, 11:24 AM) [snapback]94518[/snapback]

Something else occured to me while reading your post, Miki. The destruction of Tyre going under the water...isn't that like the destruction from the Flood in the time of Noah? And since the story of the king of Tyre is made like the story of the fall of Adam and his casting out of the Garden of Eden its like the story of Noah, too with Ezekiel being a kind of Noah. The Bible tells the end will be like the days of Noah. In the prophecy againist Tyre is the whole story from creation of Man, to the Fall of Man, the Rebellion of Man, the Flood, and also the destruction of Babylon and the Beast, like the whole story condensed and illustrated by the prophecy againist Tyre.


Also Miki, in the picture you show, the mole, looks like a drawn sword, red with blood...symbolically...in the old testament prophecies it is often said "A sword goes out" or "My sword is drawn"


Squirrel do you remember that dream I had about the "two Tyres"? I think it was Plato that wrote that Atlantis was also connected as part of Tyre which fell into the ocean.



Miki
It seems like God may be showing us a type but l don't have enough historical and Biblical knowledge to elaborate on it any further. I contributed the above piece because it lined up with what l heard the night before But seems and maybe doesn't make it so. We need more witness.
blindzebra
yes, squirrel. the judgment upon tyre and the king of tyre seals up a PATTERN. --see Ezekiel 28:12

Tyre was an island city.
the Capital city of Phonecia.
she is called a "Trades Woman of the peoples". -Ez 27:3
International Trade made her rich and all those who did business with her, rich. -see Ez. 27:12-end of chapter.
there was an abundance of sales goods and valuable things.
gorgeous garments.
she was a TRADE CENTER. -ch. 27, vs.24
her merchants sailed on carvans of ships and ship captains became rich from her.
they exhanged articles of MERCHANDISE.
their heart became "haughty". -28:2-9 and vs.17

but she was burned by fire first, before the sea came up over her.--see 28 vs.18

sudden TERRORS came upon her. vs.19.



yes, you have seen the comparison, the pattern, sealed up, and again repeated in revelation 18.


and we have seen the revelation on 9/11 that the pattern, having begun its fulfillment, will be completed. for it is written.


manhattan is an island city.
she is the capital financial city of the whole world. (the world acknowledges this fact, and she is called the "Financial Captial of the World."
she is represented by a woman in a harbor, and her business is WORLD TRADE. those who do business with her have become rich.
her luxurious sales goods, her influence and culture, have worked as a leavening agent in the whole world. what great city is not patterned after New York City? they all look and operate in the same manner.
there is the "GARMENT DISTRICT" in NYC.
the World TRADE CENTER was-- and still is-- located there. the buildings themselves already were burned by fire. the smoke was visible from space. the whole world watched. the towers FELL, FELL, and the merchants and kings cried out.....the GREAT CITY was hit.


and the prophecy must be completed. just as it is written.


therefore the call is to FLEE from her. and the call to the whole world is that of:
REPENT! FOR THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS HAS DRAWN NEAR!

all trading, all broadway shows, STOPPED.....for the first time .....EVER.


but the second time will be complete.


for it is prophecied. and it is written. and we have already seen the beginning of the fulfillement.

and WHO could have foreseen it, or told about it, but GOD?


and LOOK! it is ALREADY WRITTEN!


and his word shall have its work complete. and it shall be finished ... for What is written, is what shall come to be.


that city is targeted for destruction. for it follows the PATTERN already set, and sealed.


and look!, it is written.

bz
Miki
Good bz....but is it only Manhattan in this instance? The whole of the Americas is set apart as an island from the rest of the civilized world.

But maybe...good word you guys!
blindzebra
if manhattan, then FLEE Manhattan. (and many already have)
if the US, then FLEE the US. (and many already have)


"but the woman that you saw means the Great CITY that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth." -Rev. 17:18 (last verse)


Miki
And her seed has sprung up and bore fruit.
jhamner
hmmmmmmmm.....

Good point Miki.

The fruits... sometimes the next generation is more evil than the first.
jhamner
Just some after thoughts...

Other places of opulance, spiritual idolatry, and murder.

Vatican City:

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Pope adoring mary statue:

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More on the mother/child cult that has Bablyonian origins.

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The pope sets himself as a mediator between man and Christ... the definition of antichrist.
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Those wanting to kill God's people and therefore make Papa God a liar. This can't be good:

Ayatollah- dictator of Iran
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Hezbollah/Hamas
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EU building deliberately modeled after Peter Brueghel's painting of the tower of Babel (painted in 1563).

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EU poster:

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Praise God for justice. Praise God for mercy.

We've only seen previews.

YES... these will bear fruit. And the offspring will be even worse; like Saddam's sons were more terrible than Saddam.
Miki
I see it Julie....and.... sad.gif

Words & music by Paul Simon

No I would not give you false hope
On this strange and mournful day
But the mother and child reu-nion
Is only a motion away, oh, little darling of mine.
I can't for the life of me
Remember a sadder day
I know they say let it be
But it just don't work out that way
And the course of a lifetime runs
Over and over again

No I would not give you false hope

On this strange and mournful day
But the mother and child reu-nion
Is only a motion away, oh, little darling of mine.

I just can't believe it's so,
and though it seems strange to say
I never been laid so low
In such a mysterious way
And the course of a lifetime runs
Over and over again

But I would not give you false hope
On this strange and mournful day
When the mother and child reu-nion
Is only a motion away,
Oh, oh the mother and child reunion
Is only a motion away
Oh the mother and child reu-nion
Is only a moment away
jhamner
"is only a moment away"

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Father God... I lift up my hands palms up to the heavens and I say- what can I do that Your people might be saved from Your judgement?

You love all man. Help me love them too. Holy Spirit lead the people to the cross. Let the cross draw man to You, Jesus.


I was reading Isaiah 44 today: (I like the New Living translation here:)

6 This is what the Lord says-Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord of Heaven's Armies:
"I am the First and the Last;
there is no other God.
7 Who is like me?
Let him step forward and prove to you his power.
Let him do as I have done since ancient times
when I established a people and explained its future.
8 Do not tremble; do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim my purposes for you long ago?
You are my witnesses—is there any other God?
No! There is no other Rock-not one!"

9 How foolish are those who manufacture idols.
These prized objects are really worthless.
The people who worship idols don't know this,
so they are all put to shame.
10 Who but a fool would make his own god-
an idol that cannot help him one bit?
11 All who worship idols will be disgraced
along with all these craftsmen- mere humans-
who claim they can make a god.
They may all stand together,
but they will stand in terror and shame.

12 The blacksmith stands at his forge to make a sharp tool,
pounding and shaping it with all his might.
His work makes him hungry and weak.
It makes him thirsty and faint.
13 Then the wood-carver measures a block of wood
and draws a pattern on it.
He works with chisel and plane
and carves it into a human figure.
He gives it human beauty
and puts it in a little shrine.
14 He cuts down cedars;
he selects the cypress and the oak;
he plants the pine in the forest
to be nourished by the rain.
15 Then he uses part of the wood to make a fire.
With it he warms himself and bakes his bread.
Then- yes, it's true- he takes the rest of it
and makes himself a god to worship!
He makes an idol
and bows down in front of it!
16 He burns part of the tree to roast his meat
and to keep himself warm.
He says, - Ah, that fire feels good."
17 Then he takes what's left
and makes his god: a carved idol!
He falls down in front of it,
worshiping and praying to it.
"Rescue me!" he says.
"You are my god!"

18 Such stupidity and ignorance!
Their eyes are closed, and they cannot see.
Their minds are shut, and they cannot think.
19 The person who made the idol never stops to reflect,
"Why, it's just a block of wood!
I burned half of it for heat
and used it to bake my bread and roast my meat.
How can the rest of it be a god?
Should I bow down to worship a piece of wood?"
20 The poor, deluded fool feeds on ashes.
He trusts something that can't help him at all.
Yet he cannot bring himself to ask,
"Is this idol that I'm holding in my hand a lie?"

I read this and my heart broke. Father is so angry. So angry. He loves us with an unending love. But we turn away and worship other things. New York loves money, clothes, and fame. Rome loves power and another kind of adultery. Another loves something else. We love the created... We ARE fools. FORGIVE ME FATHER! Jesus, FORGIVE US! Please!

You know... perhaps it is only me... but I don't just read anger here. I read the Words of our Lord's broken heart.

What can I do? Jesus... what would You have me do??? sad.gif
Dani
QUOTE(flyingsquirrel @ Dec 6 2006, 10:14 AM) [snapback]94507[/snapback]

The prophecy of the destruction of Tyre seems close to the prophecy of the destruction of Babylon. Compare
Ezekiel Chapter 29 verses 27-36 and Revelation Chapter 18 verses 11-18. The major difference that seems to be the case is that Tyre goes under the sea and Babylon is destroyed by fire.

EZEKIEL
29 All the rowers and sailors of the sea will leave their ships. They will stand on the land 30 and cry in a loud voice of sorrow over you. They will throw dust on their heads and roll in ashes. 31 They will cut off their hair because of you, and dress themselves in cloth made from hair. They will cry over you with much sorrow in their soul. 32 In their crying they will sing a song of sorrow for you, saying, 'Who is like Tyre, destroyed and quiet in the sea? 33 When your good things went out on the sea, you pleased many nations. With all your riches and good things you made the kings of the earth rich.

REVELATION
17 For in one hour her riches are destroyed.' The captain of every ship and all who traveled on ships and all who worked on ships stood a long way back. 18 They cried out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'Has there ever been such a city as powerful as this one?' 19 They threw dirt on their heads. They cried out with much sorrow and said, 'It is bad! It is bad for the powerful city! She is the place where all those who owned ships on the sea became rich from all her riches. For in one hour everything is gone!'

ALSO THE PRINCE OF TYRE SEEMS LIKE AN ANTI-CHIRST FIGURE, WHILE THE KING OF TYRE IS AN ADAM FIGURE...A SYMBOL OF FALLEN MAN...IT IS PROPHESIED THAT HE GOES TO THE PIT, JUST LIKE THE BEAST WITH 7 HEADS AND TEN HORNS SHALL RISE AND GO TO THE PIT IN REVELATION 17:7.


The prophecy againist Tyre could also be a prophecy againist Babylon and the Beast ( the Beast represents a group of nations led by the anti-christ who thinks himself a god just like the king of tyre) ?





King of tyre - adam figure (symbol of fallen man)

I don’t understand this “type” fs.

Maybe I’m just in too literal a mood today… and I’m not seeing your “type”.

For me:

Tyre was conquered by the Babylonians.
Ezekiel, an Israeli prophet, is prophesying to Tyre - from his Babylonian captivity… and is told to lament for them Ez 27:2 . I find that interesting that God isn’t taking delight in destroying Israel’s enemies.

Obvious thru Ez 27 there is a lot of pride, boasting.

And the word of the Lord comes in Ez 28. Say unto the prince of Tyrus… (to me,) this sounds like it is directed to the living mortal who is in charge at Tyre… again it’s the heart thing… pride… this guy must have been involved is some practices that are quite appalling… God tells him that he is claiming to be God… and God knows he is just a man… and then God says something really weird… you are wiser than Daniel… (there is fame to Daniel - he was an international figure… we know he was involved in the politics on Babylon… how interesting - wiser than Daniel.) … and on and on.. This prince is wise… and controls just about everything… yet verse 9, how ironic - you claim to be God… tell that to the man who kills you.

Prince of Tyre as an antichrist… I can see all the control… maybe I ought to study this a bit more - perhaps it’s here to learn what the AC will be like…


BUT, I’m not sure I’m getting the king of Tyrus as an Adam figure. Fallen man… I’ll have to think on it.

Ez 28:11,12 Ezekiel seems to take on a different tone. And again a lamentation… interesting… especially with where the next few verses go…

The idea of prince and king… the king must be the power behind the prince… and the prince is the one who is mortal - and controlling Tyre, in the physical world…

Vss 12,13 Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering…

You… the power behind the prince of Tyre - you are the resulting embodiment of wisdom’s fullness and you are perfect in beauty. Wow! I don’t even know what to say to that… because I know what the next line is…

You have been in Eden - the garden of God. This “king of Tyre” isn’t Adam., nor Eve. I am really sure God isn’t speaking to the literal, mortal “prince” of Tyre… God is speaking to that 3rd individual that was in the garden… the one who deceived Eve. The serpent, satan, Lucifer - this is the King of Tyre, the power behind the prince of Tyre.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;

This “king of Tyre” he - present tense - is the anointed cherub. “that covereth” - he was/is above all the others…

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

This anointed cherub, full of wisdom and beauty, the power behind the prince of Tyre - was perfect in his ways… from the day he was created.

(I am sighing an exhausted sigh.)

The Lord is the Creator. The Lord created this anointed cherub. The Lord has told Ezekiel to take up a lamentation … for this cherub.


(15) till iniquity was found in thee. What was the iniquity found in satan? Isa 14:12-17. Pride. He wanted to be like God. Where did it start - well the scripture says it started in his heart. (satan with a heart - now that is interesting, eh?) Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount says something like anger starts in the heart and is just like murder… lust starts in the heart and is just like adultery.

FS, I don’t understand the king of Tyre being an Adam type… fallen man…

If I’m out of bounds, hijacked the post, whatever - tell me, I’ll delete all this.

I’ve got to stop. I feel like I'm not done writing on this - but it exhausts me.

One last thing though, Micheal, the archangel - would not bring a railing accusation against ...

Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


Be wise... and careful. I hope I'm not being a pawn like Peter in Matt 16:23. Oh how I desire to tread lightly and do pray second by second that it is the Holy Ghost that is guiding me...
blindzebra
yes miki. yes julie.
that is the dirge to be raised up over babylon.

it is a dirge.

a funeral procession song.

it is not a time for rejoicing. (there is a time for everything.)

it is a time for reflection. a time for repentance. a time for mourning, a time to weep, and a time for great weeping, a time for asking God for His mercy by means of his Son.

dani. you are correct. (..about the covering cherub that fell-- to pride. great wisdom... Solomon also had great wisdom, GIVEN him by God....and yet....
and Daniel? there is a mockery on God's part about the those who "think themselves so wise". He mocks them, saying, 'you have the wisdom..-- no! --- you are WISER that Daniel!) the devil was a liar, and a manslayer, a man-hater, from the beginning.....from the beginning of his evil, prideful, course of action. he wanted to BE someone....in fact he wished to be like GOD!

(Jesus took the opposite course. he was despised, mocked, and made fun of. he suffered at the hands of men --with glory from GOD in view--rather than seeking to have glory from men, in the "now". ...meditate upon this.... the Son of God, Jesus, is the one we are to seek to imitate, for he plainly displayed --showing us-- the Father. the Father is good, and kind, and merciful and deeply compassionate, and everything Jesus did and said originated, not with himself, but from the Father who sent him. this, he said. and thus, he did. to the Glory of God the Father.)

pride comes before a fall. haughtiness before a crash.

and it is something to mourn over.


the bringing of wisdom to ruin. For God will turn the "wisdom of men" into mere foolishness. and what is considered as 'foolishness' to men, will become known as "wisdom". for it is wisdom, to FEAR THE TRUE GOD (and the wisdom of God is manifest in the Christ, who is Jesus.)
and to TURN AWAY FROM WHAT IS BAD-- that is what understanding is.

and that is what is written.



there is no rejoicing to be felt in the heart over the death of someone wicked.

but, rather, there is great rejoicing in all of heaven,

even among the angels,

even over one sinner,

that repents.


love the True God. His word is truth.
Jesus is the reason to rejoice.
Look! He has already conquered the world!
Hallelujah!

LOVE! and pray for me also, as i pray for all who belong to Christ. may we be delivered from what is evil. May glory go, for it belongs, to God, and to his Son!


bz
flyingsquirrel
Here's another prophecy againist Tyre from Amos chapter 1:
Tyre
9 The Lord says, "For three sins of Tyre and for four, I will not hold back punishment. They took a nation of people and sold them to Edom. They did not remember the agreement between brothers. 10 So I will send fire upon the wall of Tyre, and it will destroy her strong-places."


( BZ, didn't the colonies took a nation of people and sold them too? There's so much similarity even in this verse )
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