Haha… I got banned!

I posted the following on some forum a while back and they banned me for being an heretic.



Someone got it right so I posted the following in the hope of building on what I had already posted.



They told me that I could post on their forum but that I had been banned from posting in that area.
Guess they would have me pass my time in the just for fun area!

Anyway, some of them couldn’t get pass a few scriptures and because of that rejected what I had posted.
It use to trouble me but after a while you kinda grow thicker skin. It was either that or simply allow them to do my thinking for me, and of course I wasn’t about to allow that.

A wise man will build his foundation on what he understands rather then tearing down what is obvious to him.

Jesus is Lord!

I also believe that John baptizing was just a type of baptism, since John says that he only baptizes with water, but that some one mightier than he is will baptize with the Holy Spirit.

I believe that water baptism was just A TYPE, showing the necessity of a greater baptism, not like what a human can do but what God alone can do! Becuase John himself says it and the Bible says that he was filled WITH THE SPIRIT from his mother's womb...

John baptized unto repentance and Jesus baptizes with the holy ghost and fire.

Sorry, but I have to stand up for my fellow believers on that other forum.

No one wanted to do your thinking for you... and the reason you were banned from the theology section was because you broke the rules of that forum.
The moderator said:

"...but as the original poster (Jack) was banned from theology for not being able to uphold the two creeds we posted...

The rules are stated here.

For those who want to see the entire discussion go here.
Then also check out here.

Sorry, Jack. I agree with a lot of the things you post, but the topics you started on the other forum was a bit confusing... not just by you but by the other posters as well. It's just that I saw this post and needed to let others see the entire story of what happened.

Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a parable, a midrash.

The Baptism most Christians know of has to do with the story of Nichdemous. Aparently he was a witness of such.

A Jew would be immersed for his Bar Mitzvah around 13 when he was legally responsible to act like a man.
He would be baptized as a disciple under the Rabbi that teaches him ( in our case Yehoshuah(Jesus) The Father and the Spirit annointed.

Sorry if I'm confusing you with names you do not hear usually.

There would also be the baptism before marriage, before ministry such as becoming a rabbi/ such as when the spirit decended to him like a dove.

There is the baptism before going up to the temple

The baptism after marital relation

The baptism of the dead (of which I have heard two explinations)
1. washing of the body to prepare it for the reserection.
2. washing of the person preparing

When once would wash and say
Blessed are you or Lord our G-d King of the Universe who commanded us about immersion and fall forward by themselves three times.
The on looker was to witness the immersion only. Since this was done primarily totally naked and men were at the water edge not the women, this also was a common way that one could tell who was circumcized and who was not.

Women were immersed after sun down.
Women immersed before marrige, and ever month after they had seven clean days to be puritied.

The waters used were specifically described in the Torah. they must be living waters.
To be living waters it must be a by a moving stream, or rain into a gathering of waters... The idea is the moving or living waters that washes away all our sin.

When exiting the mikveh it would be a common saying to say "reborn"

Now consider the immersion in the Holy Spirit (Spirit of sanctification or spirit of annointing(rubbed on.

Tongues simply means "languages"
now on Shavot the fiftieth day of the counting of the Omer it had been only ten days since Yehoshuah(Jesus) had ascended into Heaven to be seated at the right hand of the Father.

They were praying the moring prayers as would be the habit of all Jews at the appointed time of prayer. Women could be in the upper walls to watch or the court of the women, or pray were they were. This was an appointed time, and likely at the temple, since they were in one accord.

"and in the fully-together-filled the day of-the fiftieth
They-were all alike on the same
And became suddenly out of-th heaven blare even-as of-being-carried blast violent and it fills the whole thet abernacle where they-were sitting
and were-viewed to-them being tongues as-if of-fire and is-seated on one each of-them."

that is the transliteration

Notice it is not tongues of fire but tongues as if of fire.

Possibly the Hebrew letter Shin which is shaped like the flames of fire.

It is said that the Lord in the last days would put his mark up on thier foreheads of those that belong to him. Likely all present saw all the disciples marked at the synaguoge or temple where they wre praying and worshiping.

To speak then in a language or in many different laguages we know that they poured forth from the building and when they coame fourth they spoke and each man heard the message of the gospel in their own language.

A super natural even.

One manifestation of the Lord, his "glory" would cause the priests to fall as dead men to the ground, but these men and women stood, but may actually have been staggering as if drunk, because it was difficult to stand in the presence of the Lord or because one can become dizzy easily if after bying down and praying before the Lord they then stood up quickly and out into the streets a bit of dizzyness may occure.

The Shin represents many things. Most commonly the Shema

"hear oh Israel YHVH G-d is one YHVH."

one specifically as a unifying force between Israel and G-d.

Now they were baptized in this spirit and spoke in languages and were marked with marks as if of fire. This was not a sign of being "born again" Rather this was a sign of being chosen by God and sent.

Many blessings
bananna

It is a difficult task convincing somebody who has been baptised with the Holy Spirit, that it is a parable.

Convincing one of what?

The spirit comes upon a person, but is referred to as annointing, filling, or washing.

The form of marking you will be a visible change to all in your appearance, action or speach and not necessarily a new language.

There is only one language of Angels/messengers and it is Hebrew. The handwriting on the wall was Hebrew, Yehoshuah(Jesus) spoke to Paul at his conversion in the Hebrew tongue. It is commonly known among the Jews that the Heavenly language is Hebrew, so that they kept all sacred writings in the Heavenly language.

If One is marked with a new language.... then Mozel Tov. But I loathe to see people judged because they have a different gifting bestowed on them By G-d.

Oh it saddens me greatly that believers would judge one another by gifts they have or have not received. Not all are tongues, for where then would be the feet?

Bananna

I was not clear was I

You were baptized as was I but I'm saying it is not a litteral immersion but allegory as would be "filled" etc... We are "born of the spirit" is a illustrative language and my long wordy explaination is to show what the illistration alluded to - a practice common to the Jews of that day.

bananna

What does it mean to be baptized by the Holy Spirit? Well if you read the following (CAREFULLY) you may come to a better understanding.



Anyway, the reason they banned me was because I didn’t line up with their false doctrine and as a matter of fact, as you can see, the Holy Spirit is in fact God’s Spirit and not a third being. God created us in His image and my spirit isn't a separate being. My spirit is just that, my spirit, not a separate being. And what's more, like God, my spirit searches my thoughts and like God, my spirit can be grieved.

As it is, many of you fail to receive this simple truth because you fail to understand a few scriptures that at first seam to suggest that the Holy Spirit is a third being. However, if you were wise you would hold to the obvious and build on that.

In the end it doesn’t matter… As long as you believe that God has and will always have a Son were family. Those of you who say that the Son is the Father are in grave error because the scriptures clearly tell us that only those who believe in God’s One and Only Son have life. All others are under God’s wrath!

"He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots." - Jesus Christ

Even so - Amen!

Jack
Every one who asks believing receives. Everyone who receives is planted by our heavenly Father.



Charlie

Ah yes dualism Jack,
A little studied theological view. You are lucky to live today, as once them was BBQ words.

Here is a twist for you to contemplate then. Which was it, the spirit of God or G-d who is spirit? The Greek stucture is very important and not always clearly conveyed.

How many spirits are there?
scripture transliteration
Rvelation 1:4
Why are there seven spirits before the throne of G-d?


A mind bender huh?

Sorry, but the doctrine of the Trinity isn't a false one... and since you don't seem to agree with it, that is why you were banned from their theology section.

Indeed. Pastor was just talking along these lines last night. He talked about several of his spiritual experiences and how there have been times when others have tried to express disdain for those experiences. I also have this witness, that the things of the Spirit are like unto Jesus saying...Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Eph 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Heb 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees; Heb 12:13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

This is interesting. I've been pondering...remember when Joseph and Mary went to offer their son to God, like a dedication to God for allowing his life into their family and their gratefulness....they couldn't afford a lamb so they gave the priest 2 turtledoves and 2 pigieons.

I find that amazing that a turtledove appeared at the Baptisim of our LORD Jesus...

ever wondered about that...for it seems like it was symbolic of the dove they dedicated to God...

thinking like the resurrection maybe...just pondering...


now back to our reguleeeeeeeeerly scheduled program...

Mark 13:11 (New King James Version)
But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Notice that it doesn't say who the Holy Spirit is, only that He will give you what to say. Now let's take a look at Matthew 10:18-20 NKJV

Matthew 10:18-20 (New King James Version)
You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.

Notice that Matthew is writing about the same thing as Mark but that he goes on to say, "the Spirit of your Father". Thus we see that the Holy Spirit is in fact our Father's Spirit and not a third being.

Also take note of the following:

Jack can I ask you one question? You compare Luke to Matthew, which is fine but do you KNOW that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is actually the same story told 4 times by different people. It is their account as to what they were witness to. Of course it will be some what different. It is akin to 4 different people witnessing a car accident. Each person will have a slightly different explantion as to what they saw and when they explain it, the reports will be really similar, but their descriptions will differ in verbage....

You can find this out by purchasing a book called Harmony of the Gospels. It has all 4 gospels and nothing but all 4 gospels in it. It will help you tremendously I believe....Check it out..

The problem is that both wordage is refering to the Wind of G-d. G-d is reffered to not as his form, but as His function.
G-d of creation
G-d our healer
G-d of gods(meaning the supernatual beings not godlets of the greek theology.)

As I showed there are seven spirits that were before the Trone of G-d and they were given Messiah to accomplish his purpose here on Earth.

By these spirits G-d directed the builders of His tabernacle. Aids us in our ministry to the body and so on.

The Holy spirit is an annointing spiriit that sets us appart.

Blessings.
bananna

This scripture in Isaiah simply tells you what the Spirit of the Lord is made up of. It is not a mind bender at all. How would you have explained the Spirit of the Lord, which can't be seperated, with words to man. For instance you can't have might and Power without wisdom and understanding.


Charlie

Check this out!



What a gross misinterpretation…
This person is actually saying that since the Spirit comes out of the Father that He’s a separate identity. Were we not created in the image of the Father and of His Son, and is my spirit a separate identity? Obviously not!

When God said, “Let us make man in our image” He was obviously talking to the Son since we read the following.

John 1:1-3 (New International Version)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

That clearly tells us that everything was created through God’s Son. He was with God in the beginning, and of course, what is meant by “the Word was God” simply means that He has His Father’s divine nature – deity!

Anyway, do you see how people misinterpret the scriptures?
Amazing isn’t it!

And to think that they call me a heretic.

As for you charlie, if memory serves me right, you don’t believe that God’s Son always existed so please don’t think that were in agreement. These people are saved because they believe that God has and will always have a Son, and as for you, well, whatever you have will most likely be taken from you. Unless of course you come to believe in God's One and Only Son.

1 John 5:9 NIV
We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son.

Back on topic, regarding the Holy Spirit were told the following.

Acts 2:18 NIV
Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.

His Spirit is not a separate identity. After all, it's His Spirit!

Interesting
However I must point out...

There are seven spirits of G-d before the throne of G-d.

Elohim has three forms, singular, plural for 2 and plural for infinite.

The spirit of Truth is only one of the spirits given to messiah.

While dualism is a possiblility - where in scripture is the evidence? I would contend that Revelation 1 clearly points to G-d and Son and seven spirits of G-d before the throne.

I believe Hebrews 9 may also mention them, but I'm on my way out and I can't look up the reference.

yes!!!

Amen Jack
Memory is not serving you right. But that doesn't matter because it is not about me. You are coming along just fine and that is what matters. We will be in agreement soon. Here is something to ponder. "In the beginning was the word" and the word was with God." OK In the beginning of what? "Who was there before the beginning?"

"The first born over all creation" A son.

Colossians 1
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible




Charlie

Charlie, put aside what your doing and try to find out what "first born" means in this context. Don't simply listen to what others are telling you but look it up for yourself!

Mystery mystery, everything is a mystery, but all things will be revealed! Praise God who is Christ!

I said it before and God willing I'll say it again. If God is a mystery, He's a mystery to those who are perishing. As it is, a lot of people don't take the time to look up these matters for themselves and thus simply believe what's been passed down to them. These people are the ones who tell you that the Godhead is a big mystery and that no one can figure God out. Well, Jesus told us that we know what we worship - thus those who worship what they don't know are obviously in error.

Again, if God is a mystery He's a mystery to those who are perishing!

Godliness was a mystery to Paul ...

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jack, are you then saying in so many words you have God all figured out? That smacks of "arrogance." Something in me says no one has a solidified grasp on God...

"As it is, a lot of people don't take the time to look up these matters for themselves and thus simply believe what's been passed down to them."

It is not that simple. Two thousand years after the fact of His life, death and resurrection, millions have sought truth which is as often as not couched in a need to realize the "venue" of the words...how they are affected in a historical context and how they are set in a situational dialogue, how Jesus responded to religion (when one is into "religion" and is bound by "religious" concepts it alters the perspective) There are many things which cause one to acknowledge truth in a way that all men do not share. You yourself evidence that quite often. Many fail to even realize that Jesus was under the law. He ministered accordingly. He was sent to the Jews. That is why we have to read about the things He said from a context of who He was ministering to. All of our "self hatred" (members of the body in flux with other members of the body) wherein are to be found our supposed doctrinal foundations are often as not based upon a line of thought which fails to acknowledge that fact.

Paul has to be read and understood in order to transcend (conceive the higher order of) the initial words of Christ, who authorized Paul to reveal what He was shown in the Spirit to acclimatize us to the age of grace which was not yet instituted until Pentecost. That is why before the cross Christ said Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Please do not be ready to assume anything in a terse and contemporary reading of God's word, for it is line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little until a full understanding is reached. That is a life long initiative.

Yes but God reveals Himself to those who are beings saved. To the rest, it remains a mystery. If you had known Christ you would have to agree with me on this, seeing that you don't proves that He hasn't revealed Himself to you.

We worship what we know!
Sound familiar? It should because they are the very words of Christ.

Again, if God is a mystery, He's a mystery to those who are perishing!
I know whom I've trusted.

Love this advice!

Edit: And that's not meant to be directed at anybody--just me. Love y'all!

Perishing perishing, everyones perishing, but everyone shall be saved in the end! Praise God who is Christ!

Yes but God reveals Himself to those who are beings saved. To the rest, it remains a mystery. If you had known Christ you would have to agree with me on this, seeing that you don't proves that He hasn't revealed Himself to you.

Beligerant reply say what? I have had other folks try to impugn upon me some level of their indignation because of a fundamental lack of agreement with their line of thought. That does not mean I have not known the Lord. Not being in solidarity with another who is in a spirit of error is no proof of my lack of salvation. The Lord has indeed revealed Himself to me. Who are you to suppose otherwise? This is a form of manipulation and I will have none of it. Whenever the low road of "my understanding transcends yours, therefore I am right and you are wrong" enters in, I can tell with no need to travail, that I am the one who has doctrinal correctness. There is One Spirit and One Baptissm and One God, three in One.


Yes the spirit of error has everyone perishing when in fact Christ came to secure an abundant life to those who would be made perfect.

John 17:3 (New International Version)
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

John 10:14 (New International Version)
"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—

John 4:22 (New International Version)
You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.

John 17:26 (New International Version)
I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

2 Timothy 1:12 (New International Version)
That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet I am not ashamed, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him for that day.

A mystery indeed, to those who are perishing! As it is, you have 66 books in which to help you figure this mystery out, but as it is, you continually misinterpret God’s word! How will you ever come to know Him if you can’t understand what He’s saying!

Indeed, His people hear His voice (Understand what He is saying), but as for you, the very fact that God remains a mystery proves that He hasn’t made Himself known to you.

John 8:20 (New International Version)
"You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also." He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.

You don’t know Him because He hasn’t love you… If He had loved you, you would know Him. But as it is, your own words prove that He hasn’t loved you since you claim that God is a big mystery.

Even so – Amen!

Help me Jack, are you saying if we dont agree with what you are saying, we are not Christains?
Maybe I am reading this wrong. LOL
Kim

Nah, that’s not what I’m saying!

I am however saying that those who claim to know God and say that He’s a big mystery are in fact talking out of both sides of their faces. Why, because I’ve known Him and to be sure, His word tells us that those who belong to Him know Him.

John 17:3 (New International Version)
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

This topic is getting out of hand so I’m just going to drop it.

Why don't you tell me what "first born over all creation" means? I would say that it means That Christ was born first and then all creation was formed around Him. No one taught me that, no one has even touched on the subject to my knowledge.



Charlie

Patience

Lyrics:

Shed a tear 'cause I'm missing you
I'm still alright to smile
Girl, I think about you every day now
Was a time when I wasn't sure
But you set my mind at ease
There is no doubt you're in my heart now
Said woman take it slow
It'll work itself out fine
All we need is just a little patience
Said sugar make it slow
And we'll come together fine
All we need is just a little patience
(inhale) Patience...
Ooh, oh, yeah

Sit here on the stairs
'Cause I'd rather be alone
If I can't have you right now, I'll wait dear
Sometimes, I get so tense
But I can't speed up the time
But you know, love, there's one more thing to consider
Said woman take it slow
Things will be just fine
You and I'll just use a little patience
Said sugar take the time
'Cause the lights are shining bright
You and I've got what it takes to make it
We won't fake it, Oh never break it
'Cause I can't take it

...little patience, mm yeah, ooh yeah,
Need a little patience, yeah
Just a little patience, yeah
Some more pati... (ence, yeah)
I've been walking these streets at night
Just trying to get it right (Need some patience, yeah)
It's hard to see with so many around
You know I don't like being stuck in a crowd (Could use some patience, yeah)
And the streets don't change but maybe the name
I ain't got time for the game
'Cause I need you (Patience, yeah)
Yeah, yeah well I need you
Oh, I need you (Take some patience)
Whoa, I need you (Just a little patience is all we need)
Ooh, this ti- me....

God's not a mystery?
Deut. 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Sounds to me that God keeps some things a secret from us. Therefore, yes, God is a mystery. No one has Him figured out completely. We know what He has revealed to us in His word... and He has not unlocked the mystery within.


No... not everyone will be saved in the end. Only those who God has given to Christ. Only Christians will be saved in the end... not everyone.



The word "know" does not mean "know every single thing about".
If it does... then tell me, since you've got God figured out to a "t'...
Why did He make the sky blue? Why did He decide to make the grass green? Why did He create us to only live on land and not give us the ability to live on both land and water? Or... even deeper questions... why was it necessary for Christ to die for our sins? Meaning, why does anything need to die for our sins? Why didn't God come up with a different way for salvation?
I know you have all the answers to these questions... since those 66 books have given you the answers to these questions...
And... if you can't use Scripture to answers these questions then the Scripture doesn't give us every single detail about God... which would make Him a mystery.

Hmmmmm, I wonder

does it make a Christian out of a person who confesses to God? Does it makes a Christian out of a person who will bow before the Lord? If not then maybe I am not a Christian, if it does then all shall be Christians

Chirstian, Christian, then all shall be Christian! Praise the Lord who is Christ!

Listen then! I cry from the roof tops! Here then is the power of the Spirit of God! Read, my love, read!

Romans 14:11
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Amen

Jack the only mystery around this thread is you. You proclaim great swelling words of affirmation of who is a Christian and who is not by your own meagre interpretation of scripture and make broad based assumptions on your supposed truth while denying one given block of scripture to support another. You are full of vainglory and deceit and I for one will not abide you.

If I did not know Christ I would not even be here. In this place. What interest would I have in something if it did not concern me? I consider your rude and abasing comments as justifiable to report to the mod team. To me you are a borderline heretic. You insist upon proclaiming as false things which are settled matters to others. AKA trinity etc. The likes of you are a dime a dozen on the internet and as such remain a dangerous branch to the weak and feebleminded among us. --- 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. --- 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; --- 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

The only thing I feel the need to do right now, is go on
my knees and pray.

Oh how He loves us all.
I need to humbly go on my knees and stay there.
I love you all and we love Jesus.

I for one can say that I do not know the ways of God,
but I do know that His ways are always the best.
For me that is enough, for God always wants the best for
His children.

Right now I picture all of us brothers and sisters on our knees
and worshiping our Father in unity.

We are family and sometimes family get annoyed with one another, but
let us take that annoyance and go seek annointing.

I am grateful for all of you here.
I love you all.
Peace be with you all.

love,
rosie

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

I know my wife, but I don't know everything there is to know about her.

God's the same way. His sheep hear His voice and know Him, but God is infinite in knowledge and wisdom. To fully and completely understand God requires an infinite knowledge and understanding of Him. Is anyone here willing to claim that they have infinite knowledge?

Another point that needs to be made is God's conversation with Job. I think He made it pretty clear that Job, although knew God, hadn't the first clue in understanding the full nature of God.

Yes... on judgement day every knee will bow and every person will confess... that does not mean that they were Christians.

Matthew 25:41-46
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' 44Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?' 45Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' 46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Tell me... why would God send Christians away into eternal punishment?

That is exactly the point! Why would God send anyone away to eternal punishment when he or she has confessed and is bowed to the Lord?

Matthew 7
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Luke 13
24"Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,'


Charlie

Who can then tell me, what is the Father's will? Who can say he or she has heard the Father say to them "This is my will, now do it"?

Is the Father's voice heard in my ears as when I hear a person speak to me? Is the Father's voice heard like a voice in my head? If so how can I be so sure that is not my own thinking?

As hard as it may be for me, I try not to divide my thoughts, that voice in my head, as if they are God on one hand, and the devil on the other, where then is my own thinking?

I have always said here that I was as deaf as I am blind and I pray the Lord's pity on me, though I read many who I understand as saying they hear the Lord so plainly, and I am amazed!

I once claimed to know God or Jesus, when I realized I don't even know myself, but I am learning! One thing I believe is certain, and that Christ knew exactly who he was! So I take up his example!

Who then is a person who says "Lord, Lord"? If I am a person who does not know myself how can I expect to know who the Lord is? And if I do not know who the Lord is how can I expect to know God's will?

Find myself! And when I do I shall place it (myself) at the foot of Christ, then I will not be empty handed when I make an offering onto Christ, and then shall I call the Lord "Lord" and be greeted by Christ in recognition.

Peace

Christ is the will of the Father. He is the way the truth and the life. Christ is God, therfore be imitators of God as dear children. Learn what Christ taught and do it.

21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?"
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.



Charlie

Amen! I so do agree. If people will pay attention to what you have said here, they will understand so much better.
first, realise that Jesus was still under the Law, and that He appeared to Paul after His ascension (after the Law). Paul teaches us the grace, that Jesus revealed to Him.
secondly: One of the most exciting things in the Word is Ask God to show you the whole picture in and through the Word. It takes study and like Fervent says, it is a life long initiative.
Praise God
C

I agree that you should ask God for His Spirit to understand anything and not assume by mans teachings anything. But the, here a little, there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept, is the way to be snared by the truth when it appears in power and fall backwards and die.


Isaiah 28
13 But the word of the Lord was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little," That they might go and fall backward, and be broken And snared and caught.




Charlie

Okay, this is what I am tired of hearing. "YOU" as in "you should" or "You need" or anything else like it. Because, there is only one being I believe who would tell me "You should" or "you need" and that is Christ. And the last I am aware, he hasn't returned, yet. Otherwise it just sounds to me like a holy roller wanna be talking to me.



Okay, I agree that I SHOULD ask God to understand anything and not assume mans teaching in anything. BUT, what about YOU? Sound like YOU had not asked God for the same understanding in anything. Or sound like YOU had been there done that, and are now so advance in your walk with the Lord, that YOU are rubbing elbows with Moses and Isaiah

When I say anything about God I display my faults as I am made and I try in avoiding saying YOU THIS and YOU THAT. Otherwise, I feel that I am being judgemental.

I would offer, no I would challenge everyone in this forum to try using "I" statements. Why?

When I use "I" statements I am being authentic and honest to Christ.

When I use "I" statements I am being authentic and honest of what I am, to my fellow brothers and sisters on this forum.

When I use "I" statements I am avoiding being judgemental to others.

When I use "I" statements I am being authentic and honest to myself.

When I use "I" statements I am learning more about who I am and I offer that to Christ.

I recommend that others here should try it sometime....

I would settle for an occasional "we" statement. "We" are all in this together. (The search for truth while making an occasional error) Ever notice that is what pastors do? They say "we" a lot, as it includes him too...

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



How is one "snared by the truth?" In my understanding of scripture the snare is a lie.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2Ti 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.