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Samuel
As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

This question just gnaws away at me. My Bible says (in Numbers) that the Canaanites, Amorites, Jebusites, Hittites and others that i can't recall just now, are decendants of Anak and that the decendants of Anak are "decendants of the Nephilim." I think i also remember reading something about the Nephilim in Genesis but i can't find where.
The question put simply is WHO OR WHAT ARE THE NEPHILIM!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!

w Alayqoum Salaam
fervent
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As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

This question just gnaws away at me. My Bible says (in Numbers) that the Canaanites, Amorites, Jebusites, Hittites and others that i can't recall just now, are decendants of Anak and that the decendants of Anak are "decendants of the Nephilim." I think i also remember reading something about the Nephilim in Genesis but i can't find where.
The question put simply is WHO OR WHAT ARE THE NEPHILIM!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!

w Alayqoum Salaam

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/s...s/nephilim.html
Miki
Surprising isn't it Samuel--- huh.gif

By the way...thanks for posting thoughts about scriptural geneology. I hadn't caught that before.
Samuel
As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

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On this point Miki, i'll have agree with you! I've never heard of angels breeding with humans (sounds a bit disturbing to me though).
If this theory is true (which it may not be) would that then make the Canaanites "half angelic" ( laugh.gif )!?!?!??!?!?!?!?


w Alayqoumu Salaam
1LikeDeborah
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As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

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Surprising isn't it Samuel---
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On this point Miki, i'll have agree with you! I've never heard of angels breeding with humans (sounds a bit disturbing to me though).
If this theory is true (which it may not be) would that then make the Canaanites "half angelic" ( laugh.gif )!?!?!??!?!?!?!?


w Alayqoumu Salaam



Sounds bizarre but there have been found and many counts of giants or strang human skulls and bones. The Bible has information that points this out without going to extra-biblical works anyway.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The Sons of God are another term for angels...you can see this in Job. The Hebrew word used here is "benei- elohim" which is the term for angels.

Job 1:6-7
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."

Obviously Sons of God here are fallen angels that are with Satan...again here the Hebrew word "benei-elohim" is used. Plus they are in company with Satan which should be a dead giveaway.

We see that before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gemorrah he sent two angels. The city wanted to have sex with them.

Genesis 19:1-2
Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. And he said, "Now behold, my lords, please turn aside into your servant's house, and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way." They said however, "No, but we shall spend the night in the square." Yet he urged them strongly, so they turned aside to him and entered his house; and he prepared a feast for them, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.

Genesis 19:4-5
Before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter; and they called to Lot and said to him, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them."

Jude 6-7

6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has (V)kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and thecities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality andwent after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.


2 Peter 2:4-11
4For (P)if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.

PS---I'm not so sure if every canaanite was necessarily half-fallen angel.

http://theshofarscall.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=8251
http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/pics/skulls.html
http://www.s8int.com/giants3.html

Samuel
As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

Sorry, i almost forgot to thank you Fervent for the link!!!!
THANKS HEAPS!

w Alayqoum Salaam
Charlie
I can't understand how people could believe such nonsence. Angels are messengers nothing more nothing less. The word angel means messenger. The sons of God have always had the adversary of God following them around causing havok. Why wouldn't satan who is only mindfull of the things of man not follow the sons of God? Satan was one of the twelve Christ chose. Satan means adversary of God nothing more nothing less. How will you ever come to the knowledge of the truth if you can't get the greek mythology out of your mix? The sons of God are those men who God created for Himself but some of them rebelled because of thier love for the flesh. Then they become sons of disobedience.



Charlie





AngelaNPraise
QUOTE(charlie @ Oct 31 2006, 09:13 AM) [snapback]89973[/snapback]

I can't understand how people could believe such nonsence. Angels are messengers nothing more nothing less. The word angel means messenger. The sons of God have always had the adversary of God following them around causing havok. Why wouldn't satan who is only mindfull of the things of man not follow the sons of God? Satan was one of the twelve Christ chose. Satan means adversary of God nothing more nothing less. How will you ever come to the knowledge of the truth if you can't get the greek mythology out of your mix? The sons of God are those men who God created for Himself but some of them rebelled because of thier love for the flesh. Then they become sons of disobedience.



Charlie


You doubt the Holy Word of God? I heard this this morning, and it struck me deeply and truthfully,"If it is not of faith, it is sin." I looked it up in scripture and found this; Rom 14:23, And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. I pray that you and all of us increase our faith, to not doubt the infallible and perfect Word of God, we praise You, Lord, and thank you for our many blessings, in Jesus name, Amen.

Your sister in Christ, Angela

P.S. Samuel, it would make the Caananites more like half-demonic than half-angelic.
Charlie
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QUOTE(charlie @ Oct 31 2006, 09:13 AM) [snapback]89973[/snapback]

I can't understand how people could believe such nonsence. Angels are messengers nothing more nothing less. The word angel means messenger. The sons of God have always had the adversary of God following them around causing havok. Why wouldn't satan who is only mindfull of the things of man not follow the sons of God? Satan was one of the twelve Christ chose. Satan means adversary of God nothing more nothing less. How will you ever come to the knowledge of the truth if you can't get the greek mythology out of your mix? The sons of God are those men who God created for Himself but some of them rebelled because of thier love for the flesh. Then they become sons of disobedience.



Charlie


You doubt the Holy Word of God? I heard this this morning, and it struck me deeply and truthfully,"If it is not of faith, it is sin." I looked it up in scripture and found this; Rom 14:23, And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. I pray that you and all of us increase our faith, to not doubt the infallible and perfect Word of God, we praise You, Lord, and thank you for our many blessings, in Jesus name, Amen.

Your sister in Christ, Angela

P.S. Samuel, it would make the Caananites more like half-demonic than half-angelic.



I love and worship the Holy Word of God as a living God. What is being said in this thread about scripture is not the Holy word of God And you better have Faith if someone feeds you poison or you will die.
Have the Faith to cast away all understandings of man and ask the Living God for His Spirit. Then you will be moved off of that vain greek mythological foundation of understanding. If you are taught from birth that blue is red and the Lord sends one of His own to straighten you out. How do you receive Him?





Charles


c-los medrano
Charlie, with you negating what scripture says is no different when
someone cannot believe that Moses parted the Red Sea.

it happened. scripture shows it so accept it.

Angels are messengers but also have volition.
if they did not have volition then how did a third of them
turn on God?

I believe the nonsense....
hannah fievel
Here is some more about the nephillim...they did exsist as the Bible tells us so....so "how" can one not believe the word of God?


In the Hebrew Bible and several non-canonical Jewish and early Christian writings, nephilim (in Hebrew הנּפלים means The Fallen [ones]) are a people created by the cross-breeding of the "sons of God" (beney ha'elohim, בני האלהים) and the "daughters of men". (See Genesis 6:1.) The word nephilim is loosely translated as giants or titans in some Bibles, and is left untranslated in others. There is some controversy as to the identity of the "sons of God" who fathered them; apparently, the Hebrew authors believed they were angels or minor gods.

Despite the literal text of the Bible, the idea that heavenly beings mated with humans is controversial, particularly among Christians, who cite the teaching of Jesus in the Book of Matthew that angels do not marry. Others who find the idea of angels mating with humans as distasteful have suggested more figurative interpretations of the nephilim, such as the idea that they were the offspring of men possessed by demons, or of aliens.

Still others believe that the most reasonable view of Genesis 6:1 is that the allusion refers to the fact that some men, from the godly lineage of Seth, called “sons of God” (an expression denoting those in covenant relationship with YHWH - cf. Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:5), began to pursue fleshly interests, and so took wives of “the daughters of men,” i.e., those who were unbelievers.

There are two clear Biblical references to the Nephilim, one in the Book of Genesis 6:1-4 as the offspring of "the sons of God" and "the daughters of men", and the other in the Book of Numbers 13:33 as inhabitants of the land of Canaan.

Here's another link about them "throughout the bible":

http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Nephilim

So, like many others here...I totally "believe the Word of our God"! AMEN! wub.gif to all, your sis, hannah 1dsz5h3.gif
Charlie
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Oct 31 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]90036[/snapback]

Charlie, with you negating what scripture says is no different when
someone cannot believe that Moses parted the Red Sea.

it happened. scripture shows it so accept it.

Angels are messengers but also have volition.
if they did not have volition then how did a third of them
turn on God?

I believe the nonsense....


Yes indeed God parted the red sea for Moses. Angels are messengers but the one third of the angels rebelling against God is an old wives tale that you have taken on as foundation. It never happened and will not happen. Believe the nonsence now but when you see the truth you will know that you were warned.




Charlie

Charlie
QUOTE(hannah fievel @ Oct 31 2006, 04:38 PM) [snapback]90058[/snapback]

Here is some more about the nephillim...they did exsist as the Bible tells us so....so "how" can one not believe the word of God?


In the Hebrew Bible and several non-canonical Jewish and early Christian writings, nephilim (in Hebrew הנּפלים means The Fallen [ones]) are a people created by the cross-breeding of the "sons of God" (beney ha'elohim, בני האלהים) and the "daughters of men". (See Genesis 6:1.) The word nephilim is loosely translated as giants or titans in some Bibles, and is left untranslated in others. There is some controversy as to the identity of the "sons of God" who fathered them; apparently, the Hebrew authors believed they were angels or minor gods.

Despite the literal text of the Bible, the idea that heavenly beings mated with humans is controversial, particularly among Christians, who cite the teaching of Jesus in the Book of Matthew that angels do not marry. Others who find the idea of angels mating with humans as distasteful have suggested more figurative interpretations of the nephilim, such as the idea that they were the offspring of men possessed by demons, or of aliens.

Still others believe that the most reasonable view of Genesis 6:1 is that the allusion refers to the fact that some men, from the godly lineage of Seth, called “sons of God” (an expression denoting those in covenant relationship with YHWH - cf. Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:5), began to pursue fleshly interests, and so took wives of “the daughters of men,” i.e., those who were unbelievers.

There are two clear Biblical references to the Nephilim, one in the Book of Genesis 6:1-4 as the offspring of "the sons of God" and "the daughters of men", and the other in the Book of Numbers 13:33 as inhabitants of the land of Canaan.

Here's another link about them "throughout the bible":

http://www.biocrawler.com/encyclopedia/Nephilim

So, like many others here...I totally "believe the Word of our God"! AMEN! wub.gif to all, your sis, hannah 1dsz5h3.gif



The sons of God should not be a mystery and the nephilim should not be a mystery either.

Romans 8
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:


They were mighty men. men of renown. Men that everyone reveared. But just the same they were men and are men.



Charlie


c-los medrano
QUOTE(charlie @ Oct 31 2006, 08:13 PM) [snapback]90064[/snapback]

QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Oct 31 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]90036[/snapback]

Charlie, with you negating what scripture says is no different when
someone cannot believe that Moses parted the Red Sea.

it happened. scripture shows it so accept it.

Angels are messengers but also have volition.
if they did not have volition then how did a third of them
turn on God?

I believe the nonsense....


Yes indeed God parted the red sea for Moses. Angels are messengers but the one third of the angels rebelling against God is an old wives tale that you have taken on as foundation. It never happened and will not happen. Believe the nonsence now but when you see the truth you will know that you were warned.




Charlie


"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" (2 Pet. 2:4).

good luck in your studies.
Charlie
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Oct 31 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]90066[/snapback]

QUOTE(charlie @ Oct 31 2006, 08:13 PM) [snapback]90064[/snapback]

QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Oct 31 2006, 12:39 PM) [snapback]90036[/snapback]

Charlie, with you negating what scripture says is no different when
someone cannot believe that Moses parted the Red Sea.

it happened. scripture shows it so accept it.

Angels are messengers but also have volition.
if they did not have volition then how did a third of them
turn on God?

I believe the nonsense....


Yes indeed God parted the red sea for Moses. Angels are messengers but the one third of the angels rebelling against God is an old wives tale that you have taken on as foundation. It never happened and will not happen. Believe the nonsence now but when you see the truth you will know that you were warned.




Charlie


"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" (2 Pet. 2:4).

good luck in your studies.


Messengers that sinned? Those are the sons of disobedience. Cast them down to Hell? that would be (Sheol, Hades,) the grave. Delivered them into chains of darkness? That would be death, separation from life, outer darkness. To be reserved unto judgement? That will be when the covering Cherub, the sons of disobedience, Those teaching vanity and lies in Gods name, are removed and everyone realizes the truth, then judgement is complete.


Now where do you get one third of the messengers at? is it from here?

His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

This is a Spiritual view of the evil nations who cast Christ and His followers to the ground and trampled on them.



charlie






gregg
Look in the bible you have and see if there is the word 'matrix.' It is in the King James version 5 times in 2 chapters, Exodus and Numbers. It is defined in the others as 'womb.' It is one of those words used by the Lord in the beginning of time that was used to describe the present definition of 'parting the veil.' There is something behind the visible. Not only is there an invisible God, there is an invisible kingdom. They have made movies of this subject. It is easy to look over the word and the definition that is given the word and say it is just the usual birthing of people and animals.

Now, using that subject, look at the word 'Nephilim' and the idea of the sons of God coming down to the daughters of men and bearing children to them. This goes a little deeper.

Exo 13:15 And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast: therefore I sacrifice to the LORD all that openeth the MATRIX, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.

Look at this and you can see why there is a tendencey to descriminate between males and females.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

First, look at this sentence and tell me where there is the connection between Sons of God and giants.

In this verse 'giant' means 'tyrant, bully.'

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

First, nobody had the word 'grasshopper' then, it was 'locust.'
I forgot which chapter describes the 'army of God' and the captains of that army are the locust.
What do the locust do but consume the land. And that is exactly what people are doing now and that is consuming the land.
The sons of Anak were the Canaanites.
The Canaanites were the slaves because of the curse by Noah:
'And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.'

The giants were the Emims, the Anakims, and the Zanzummims.

The Emims are the females. (Not physically female as in a girl, but feminine as in a desire) They are from the same race as 'Lilith,' the phantom screech owl. They cause terror.
The Anakims are the collared people, as in strangle; the chained people.
The Zanaummims are the planners of evil plots.

All of these are perfect for Halloween!

That was yesterday, though.

The word used for Zanzummims is zamzome. Makes me think of that commercial of the little guy that stands there when the car races by and says, 'Zoom Zoom.' Hmmmm. Planners of evil plots. You get maimed and killed in cars. Cars cause pollution. Car exhaust depletes the ozone.
c-los medrano
QUOTE(charlie @ Oct 31 2006, 10:12 PM) [snapback]90071[/snapback]

Messengers that sinned? Those are the sons of disobedience. Cast them down to Hell? that would be (Sheol, Hades,) the grave. Delivered them into chains of darkness? That would be death, separation from life, outer darkness. To be reserved unto judgement? That will be when the covering Cherub, the sons of disobedience, Those teaching vanity and lies in Gods name, are removed and everyone realizes the truth, then judgement is complete.


Now where do you get one third of the messengers at? is it from here?

His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

This is a Spiritual view of the evil nations who cast Christ and His followers to the ground and trampled on them.



charlie


ehm...that tail is of the dragon. look at verse 8 it shows who the dragon is. if you think the dragon is a nation then verse 8 and 9 are a lie.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


In my conclusion, the dragon is Satan NOT a nation.
we can end the discussion here between us because we are on different views.
God bless.
Charlie
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Nov 1 2006, 08:34 AM) [snapback]90124[/snapback]

QUOTE(charlie @ Oct 31 2006, 10:12 PM) [snapback]90071[/snapback]

Messengers that sinned? Those are the sons of disobedience. Cast them down to Hell? that would be (Sheol, Hades,) the grave. Delivered them into chains of darkness? That would be death, separation from life, outer darkness. To be reserved unto judgement? That will be when the covering Cherub, the sons of disobedience, Those teaching vanity and lies in Gods name, are removed and everyone realizes the truth, then judgement is complete.


Now where do you get one third of the messengers at? is it from here?

His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

This is a Spiritual view of the evil nations who cast Christ and His followers to the ground and trampled on them.



charlie


ehm...that tail is of the dragon. look at verse 8 it shows who the dragon is. if you think the dragon is a nation then verse 8 and 9 are a lie.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


In my conclusion, the dragon is Satan NOT a nation.
we can end the discussion here between us because we are on different views.
God bless.


You are right. Christ never stayed when He was asked to leave. He just left and let them die in their sin. You have to many foundational problems in your understanding and because you don't want to know the truth it would be a lot of work to try and get you to understand.

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 [/b]Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;





Charlie



c-los medrano
thanks Charlie, i wish i knew the truth.
however, like i said in anpther post...Revelations is future
events and no one will know what happens til it comes.
However, let not be arrogant about it.

here ya go:
linkie
Charlie
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Nov 1 2006, 11:24 AM) [snapback]90145[/snapback]

thanks Charlie, i wish i knew the truth.
however, like i said in anpther post...Revelations is future
events and no one will know what happens til it comes.
However, let not be arrogant about it.

here ya go:
linkie


So you weren't serious when you said "we can end the discussion here between us because we are on different views". Like I said in another Post

"""I'll do you one better than that c-los medrano . When you see the weather over the whole earth disapear. That is, nothing on the satelite pictures, no wind, no clouds, no rain anywhere on earth. When you see the Atlantic, Indian, Pacific, Arctic, Antarctic, Oceans and the Sargasso, Mediterranean, Black, Caspian, Salton, Seas turned to blood like the blood of a dead man. Then you will know that the inland fresh water supplies are next. This is the time to take out the notes of everything that I have witnessed and told you. This will also be the opertune time to cut off your hair and put on sack cloth and go to a remote place and wail and cry to the Lord for His Spirit. If it takes fourty days and forty nights of prayer and fasting, So what, you are going to die from starvation any way not to many days into the future. When the food and water supply is removed from earth. What do you think your neighbor will do to you and your family since you are the only food supply left on earth?""""







Charlie






LoisFaith2000
Re: THE NEPHILIM/ ALIEN AGENDA AND DECEPTION by Jonathan Powell 11/4




"The Nephilim/'Alien' Agenda and Deception"

Many people erroneously assume that the Nephilim("aliens") are merely mythological in nature, being confined to the realm of science fiction, ...but it is NOT so. In fact, these beings have been around for thousands of years, and still operate in our midst, being underground, on the surface, and in the atmosphere above the Earth (and outer space). They are not beings that God has directly created as separate races, but are the offspring of fallen angels and humans. This may sound strange and bizarre to some of you, but before you completely dismiss this out of hand, please be patient and listen to the evidence before you draw your own conclusions. This matter concerns ALL of us, not only because it has happened throughout the ages, but because it is happening again in current times, and concerns us in the near future, due to the expansion of their deception which will come upon the whole world. As the saying goes, "Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it." May we be wise and take heed, lest deception overtakes us, as it has overtaken many in the past. This article is not meant to be a quick read, but an in-depth study of a very broad subject, and therefore, I humbly ask for your patience as the "dots" are being connected to reveal the larger and complex "picture". Before I discuss this matter in detail, I want to point to the clues within (canonical) holy Scripture and a few (non-canonical) ancient texts.

If satan's angels cannot reproduce,...then what you do assume that God meant when He said to him (in Gen.3:15), "I will put enmity between your[satan's] seed and her[Eve's] Seed"? We know that Christ was born from the offspring and pure bloodline that came from Adam/Eve. This lineage is the same one from which Noah was a part [whose family God preserved from the Nephilim], and Abraham, whom God drew out of the pagan culture, etc. If you notice, God has preserved that bloodline from being (physically)contaminated by the forces of darkness throughout the millenia. Once again, if satan's forces cannot reproduce,...then how can he possibly have "seed" or offspring??? If God said it,..that settles it. Of course, this refers to both the physical and the spiritual seed. Those who have not been "born-again" of the Spirit have the devil as their spiritual father. (John 8:44; 1John 3:10) This article is mainly speaking about the physical seed of the devil(and his band of fallen angels), not those who are merely influenced by him in a spiritual manner. Therefore, please do not get the two (types of offspring) confused with one another.

It says in Genesis 6:1-13, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God [bene'elohim/angels] saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants [Nephilim/fallen ones] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God [bene'elohim/angels] came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt[contaminated]; for all flesh had corrupted [contaminated] his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

Within this and several other Scriptures (such as Job 1:6 and 2:1, etc.), the Hebrew words which are transliterated as the "sons of God" are "bene'elohim", which are specifically angelic beings (as many Hebrew scholars have confirmed). Some of the ancient texts, including the book of Daniel, 1Enoch, etc., refer to them as the (good or evil) "Watchers". There was a group of angels who came down, breaking the commandment of the Lord, and took human women unto themselves and through sexual acts, created mixed-breed children. The offspring of this ungodly union are called the "giants" within certain translations, but more accurately, they were the "Nephilim", meaning: "the fallen ones, the giants or titans".

I will speak about the Nephilim in greater detail later, but for now, let's talk about the angels. Even though they are spirits, they do have glorified or eternal bodies. They probably have bodies that are sort of similiar to the one Jesus had, after He had risen from the dead, for He not only had an eternal body, but also was able to eat and drink, as well as teleporting(moving from place to place instantly, bypassing the normal laws of physics), and levitating (as He did when He went up into Heaven). Likewise, the angels have been known the shapeshift, as many people have seen, and as the Bible seems to hint at, for they can appear as being very brightly lit and powerful, or even normal, like humans. The Word reveals that they can come in physical body forms and be entertained, eating and drinking with us, etc., according to Genesis chapters 18 and 19, for several godly angels (who appeared to be human) ate and drank with Abraham. When they traveled to Sodom, the immoral people there wanted to have sex with them, but were halted and punished. The apostle Paul also speaks about us sometimes unknowingly entertaining angels, assuming that they are human strangers (in Hebrews 13:2). Even though the angels were commanded by the Lord not to marry nor be given in marriage, some of them violated His order and transgressed. They not only wanted pleasure for themselves, but it is widely believed that they sought to prevent the coming of the Messiah through the pure bloodline, by contaminating the DNA of the families. This occured during Noah's time, and his family was the only bloodline left that was not contaminated, and thus, the Lord was angered against the Nephilim, and He sent the great Flood to destroy every person on Earth, whilepreserving Noah and his household(immediate family) in the ark.

If the "sons of God"(bene'elohim) were Sethites, or saints, as a few people claim,...then it would not have changed the very DNA structure of the offspring for continual generations. That theory makes absolutely no sense. For even in current times, Christians still sometimes marry non-Christians, and yet, their offpring are not physically corrupted, with severe changes in DNA patterns. The fact that the the Nephilim(giants) were described as being between 8 and 15 feet tall, and having six fingers on each hand and 6 toes on each foot perfectly illustrates that there was genetic manipulation somewhere by some force. This was not a one-time event, such as a temporary mutation or deformity of a few individuals, but a permanent manipulation on the genetic blueprint scale, dramatically affecting entire bloodlines/families. The mentioning of these hybrid offspring having six-fingers and six-toes, is written in 2 Samuel 21:20, and 1 Chron. 20:6.

There are confirmations of the Genesis 6:1-4 account, within other texts:

The book of 1Enoch is partially quoted in Jude 14,15, which is directly from 1Enoch 1:9. In 1Enoch 6:1-7, 7:1-5, chapter 15, and 19:1, it speaks about what happpened (according to Gen.6:4). Likewise, several passages in Peter's writings, such as 2 Peter 2:4, speak of the transgressions and punishments of the angels, and the passages sound similiar to some of what Enoch the prophet wrote.

(1Enoch 6:1,2)"And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men."

(1Enoch 7:1-5)"And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."

(1Enoch 15:1-12) "And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, SAY to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede for men, and not men for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them."
(1Enoch 19:1,2)"And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of."

The book of Jasher is referred to in Joshua 10:12,13, and 2 Samuel 1:17. In the book of Jasher 4:18, it confirms Genesis 6:4, about the bene'elohim intermingling with human women.
(Jasher 4:18) "And their judges and rulers [bene'elohim/angels] went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of *men* [more accurately translated as 'sons of God', the bene'elohim/angels] in those days took from the cattle of the earth, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order therewith to provoke the Lord; and God saw the whole earth and it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted its ways upon earth, all men and all animals."
Also, the Hebrew book of Jubilees, in 5:6, 7:21,22, and 10: 8,9. speak of these same events.

There is a very interesting Scripture in Jude 6,7, which seems to draw a clear comparison and likeness between the fall of these certain angels and the fall of Sodom/Gomorrah because of sexual immorality.

It says, "And the angels which did not keep their proper domain, but left
their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains of under darkness for the judgement of the last day; EVEN AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them IN LIKE MANNER, GIVING THEMSELVES OVER TO FORNICATION, AND GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengence of eternal fire."

In the NLT, the beginning of verse 6 says, "And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within their limits of authority God gave to them but left the place where they belonged."


However,...unfortunately,...after the Great Flood destroyed the Nephilim of Noah's day, some of the ungodly angels still came down and continued to intermingle with human women, thus producing more hybrid offspring of nephilim. These same giants(nephilim) are also mentioned later, in Numbers 13:33. These demonic hybrid giants are seen all throughout the Old Testament. God continually used the Israelites to destroy them from time to time. Even Goliath and his family (of Phillistim giants) were some of them, whom David and his men had to kill. The "Anakim" are also mentioned in detail, and one should notice that they are of the exact same geneology and corrupt bloodline, according to this Scripture, "And there we saw the giants(Nephilim), the sons of Anak, which come of the giants(Nephilim); and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." These beings were unusually large, and different from the uncorrupted humans that God had created with a specific DNA pattern. These Anakim family members (of Nephilim) are also seen in Deut. 2:11,20 and 3:11,13, Josh.12:4, 13:12, 15:6, 17:15, and 18:16. The ancient pagans of Sumeria, etc., called their "gods" the "Ananaki", which specifically means: "Those who from heaven to Earth came", and this word, "Ananaki"(or Anunnaki), is really another version of the name of the Anakim, who are from the Nephilim bloodline.

The pagan records from all over the world also reveal similarities to this story of the "gods" (the beings from the heavens and giants) whom they worshipped as deities, which were written on tablets of stone and in scrolls, drawn on stones and in caves(petroglyphs), carved in temples, and as statues/idols, etc. Even though I do not endorse believing in pagan writings as truth,....we can sometimes draw historical clues from them, for we simply should not dismiss all of these confirmations as if they do not exist.

As we enter into the second half of this article, I want you to know that not only have these beings existed in the past, for thousands of years, ....but many still exist today. Also, not only have many of the Nephilim had(and still have) humanlike appearances and features, but there are also those who appear like reptiles, such as serpents and dragons. Let us never forget that the devil is called the "serpent" and the "dragon"(in Gen.chapter 3; 2Cor.11:3; Rev.12:9,14,15 and 20:2.) Even though he is an angelic being and is not literally a serpent(snake), per se, ....please keep in mind that he comes from a class of angelic beings who are called the "cherubim", whom the Word calls the "living creatures" who surround the throne of the Most High God, offering praise and worship to Him day and night. As it is revealed in Ezekiel 1:10 and Revelation 4:7, the cherubim have four faces(of a man, lion, ox, and eagle), as well as four wings. Before his fall from Heaven (due to the sin of pride), the devil was called "Lucifer"(or 'the bright morning/day star'), and is mentioned in Isaiah 14:12-15. This chapter refers not only to the human king of Assyria, but also to the devil who was the main influence behind the human kingdoms. In verse 12b, it says that he has fallen from Heaven. Also, the Lord Yeshua(Jesus) confirms this by speaking (in Luke 10:18) about the devil(Satan) falling from Heaven as lightning. Likewise, in Rev. 12:3,4, Satan is described as drawing one-third of the angels (who are also called "stars") from Heaven to the Earth. In Ezekiel 28:12b-17, Satan is also mentioned in some detail as being an anointed cherubim who was on the holy Mountain of God, as well as in Eden, covering the holy places and 'fiery stones', until he became prideful due to his brightness, beauty, and wisdom, and thus, became corrupted. Please do not confuse the human prince of Tyre with the devil being the influence behind his kingdom, for this chapter (just like Is. 14) also goes back and forth in detail, about the both the human and supernatural powers of evil being cursed by the Lord.

In Genesis 3:1-15, the devil is mentioned as being the "serpent". This word in Hebrew is "nachash", meaning: "a serpent; a shining or gleaming one; one who practices divination". Some people assume that the devil simply possessed a physical snake, but it is not so, for he is a serpentine angel. I will explain this in greater detail later on within this message. Also, the word, "beast"(as some consider to be an animal in this particular Scripture), which is used in these passages is translated inaccurately from the Hebrew word "chay", for it is more properly rendered as "living creature". It is all about context. Don't forget that the Cherubim are translated in Ezekiel 1:10, as being the (chay) "living creatures", not "beasts". It is my opinion and belief that since he is a cherubim angel(which has faces of a human and animals), due to the perversion of his nature by sin, the Lord altered his main appearance to that of a serpent, as a sign of his fallen nature. The curse (of eating the dust and crawling on his belly) which God pronounced upon him (in verse 14), is NOT literal, but symbolic and metaphorical of the fact that even though he tried to exalt himself in authority above all, yet he shall be reduced to being beneath the authority of God's creation. That is why the Lord spoke to His disciples about treading "on serpents and scorpions and all the power of the enemy" (in Luke 10:19). Even though the fallen angels (and demons) can temporarily do molecular shapeshifting for illusionary purposes for deception, many people have seen them as mainly being in their cursed (hideous reptilian, animalistic, and insect) forms. Keep in mind that in Revelation 9:1-11, they are appear as locusts, and in 16:13, as frogs.

There is an ancient manuscript which was written by Amram, who was a Levite, the husband of Jochebed and father of Aaron, Miriam and Moses. He is mentioned within the Book of Exodus. According to the Talmud, Amram promulgated the laws of marriage and divorce amongst the Jews in Egypt. He mentions that one of the angelic "Watchers", Satan himself, as being in serpent form:

(from 4Q535/Manuscript B of "4QAmram" or "The Testament of Amram) :

"I saw Watchers in my vision, the dream-vision. Two men were fighting over me ... holding a great contest over me. I asked them, 'Who are you, that you are thus empowered over me?' They answered, 'We have been empowered and rule over all mankind.' They said to me, 'Which of us do you choose to rule you?' I raised my eyes and looked. One of them was terrifying in his appearance, like a serpent, his cloak, many-colored yet very dark. ... And I looked again, and in his appearance, his visage like a viper. ... I replied to him, 'This Watcher, who is he?' He answered, 'This Watcher ... his three names are Belial and Prince of Darkness and King of Evil.' I said (to the other Watcher), 'My lord, what dominion (have you?)' He answered, 'You saw (the viper), and he is empowered over all Darkness, while I (am empowered over all Light.) ... My three names are Michael, Prince of Light and King of Righteousness.'" (translation Prof. Robert Eisenman)

Now that I've given some background on Satan, the "ancient reptilian serpent/dragon" cherubim leader of the fallen hosts, we can now focus back on the offspring of the dark angels and humans. Since some of the angels have human appearances, some of their hybrid children are also humanlike, whom many abductess and witnesses worldwide have seen and call the "humanoid aliens" or "Nordics". Likewise, many have seen the huge Nephilim/"aliens" who have serpentine or draconian forms, as well as the infamous "Greys"(who are usually smaller, but still appear almost serpentlike). The reason for these different appearances of hybrids(aliens) simply comes down to the type and strain of DNA patterns. They are known to have tremendous powers, such as telepathy(communicating mind-to-mind), teleporting, levitating, and also being "chameleons"
(creating the illusion of shapeshifting in order to confuse the perceptions of eyewitnesses). These beings not only walk upon this planet, but also fly in "UFO" crafts. Before I speak about current times, as well as the future,....let's go back again to the past and cover some background of the history of the Nephilim, as is recorded within pagan cultures ALL over the world, within their mythological as well as historical records. There are simply far too many clues for us to ignore, and if one is wise, one will realize that since there are so many records of this phenomena, that it definately cannot be a coincidence, but a clear pattern of a true reality.

In India's ancient Vedic literature, etc., there are some ancient manuscripts which speak of humanlike, as well as serpentlike beings who flew around in "vimanas"(space rockets/crafts). The nation of Sumer[ia](which means: the land of the guardians) has clay tablets which have details about the "Anunnaki"(meaning: Those who from heaven to earth came) and the "Dingir"(righteous ones of blazing rockets). One of their main symbols is that of a serpent encompassing a ray-emitting winged disk(craft). Likewise, the Egyptian records tell of the "Neteru"(which is translated as: the Watchers who came in heavenly boats). Within their heiroglyphics, there are also symbols of winged flying disks. The Nephilim("aliens") also have been creating pagan structures on other planets, such as on Mars, etc., (as the famous Mars (etc.) photos from NASA reveal) which bear similarities to the pyramids. The "Mars face" is a parallel of the face of the Great Sphinx of pagan Egypt. This Sphinx also is an image of an hybrid, being half-human and beast.

The Assyrians also believed in "Ashur", the "wing-disked god". In Babylon(which means:Gate of the gods), there are records of the "stargates", in which it was believed that they were portals through which the "star-gods" could travel from space into our earthly dimension. At least one film and two current science-fiction series have been made which are based on some of the mythology of these stargates.

The Mayans of Central and South America believed in and worshipped "Gucumatz", who is called the "serpent of wisdom". Just the same, the Aztecs in Mexico, Central, and South America worshipped and offered human and animal sacrifices to "Quetezecoatl", who was their leader and king, being a feathered serpent being who also shapeshifted into humanoid form, and allegedly was their lawgiver and sometimes depicted as traveling in a "flying rocket". Many of the Mayans and Aztecs believed that their serpent gods came from underwater caves, and thus, dropped sacrifices and treasures into those caves.In ancient Indian mythology, there were the"Nagas" and the "Sarpa" (humanoid lizards/serpents). The Hopi Indians speak of a serpent race or "Sheti"(the snake-brothers) who supposedly came back and forth from the heavens to the earth and eventually retreated underground. Some of Cherokee, Choctaw, and Chickasaw Indians teach that there was a horned serpent-man (called Sint Holo) who gave them wisdom and their language, and that he dwelled in an underwater cave.

Within a few of the Celtic myths, there are writings about serpents and dragons visiting them, and shortly afterwards, there was widespread infertility and strife. In Athens, Greece, there is a belief that their first king was "Cecrops", being half-man and snake. Greek mythology makes mention of some of the titans/gigantes who were winged half-man and serpent beings. The Chinese and Japanese have a long history of the "Long"(dragons) who appeared in physical and non-physical forms. The Japanese also believed that there existed the "Kappa", who were reptilian humanoids. In China, it is believed that their first emperor was "Huang-Ti", who is said to have been half-human and draconian, whose mother was impregnated by a beam of light emanating from the "Alpha Draconis" star. From the continent of Africa comes a story from the Zulu shamans of a reptilian race who controls the Earth, called the "Chitahuri". Australian Aborigines speak of a reptilian race living underground and governing men. They also claim that they are descended from a race of draco-humans. Last but not least, I will mention that Adolf Hitler (from Germany) was fond of drawing reptilian humanoids and claimed to be in contact with them. He also spoke about these "supermen" living in underground bases, and that they had "fierce eyes" and were fearsome. It has been reported by some sources that he had certain high levels of his "SS" group manufactor disk aircrafts (which resemble the "UFOs" that are widely seen.

In current times, there are still many millions of sightings reported all around the world by eyewitnesses as well as those who have been abducted by these beings. Of course, just as with any other phenomena, there are hoaxes, and fakers who want their "15 minutes" of fame, ....but I am merely referring to the genuine cases. Many people from all classes of society have seen these "alien" crafts, including some of the highly reputable individuals such as NASA astronaunts, doctors, businessmen, police officers, jetliner pilots, some high ranking military officials and low ranking pilots and soldiers, and yes, even Presidents, such as Jimmy Carter, etc. Many world leaders have commented seriously on this phenomenon, including Ronald Reagan, Mikhail Gorbachov, etc., within speeches to the assembly of the United Nations. In 1944, General Douglas MacArthur and George Marshall established the "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit", due to continued reports by the military of strange "foo-fighters" disks chasing them at very high speeds and doping seemingly impossible manuvers. The word, "foo" comes from "feu", meaning "fire". These crafts looked like balls of fire with variating colors. There are also multi-billion dollar projects in different countries, including the U.S., such as "SETI"(Search For Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence). Our government also did so-called investigations into this matter, including "Project Blue Book", etc., but as usual, the facts were covered up in order to try to prevent mass panic. They realize that the truth will terrify many people and completely disrupt society. Years ago, thousands of the Nazi scientists who worked with Adolf Hitler and the "SS" in secret experiments were given immunity for war crimes and funneled into the United States' high ranking military and intelligence agencies (during "Project Paperclip") so that we could obtain their knowledge and expertise on these matters of UFO/alien phenomena, as well as genetic manipulation. Anyone who doubts that there are UFOs should know that there have been several of these type of crafts which have crashed on this planet, including in Roswell, New Mexico (in 1947), which was covered up by the military/intelligence agencies and erroneously blamed as being a "weather balloon". There are many other incidents, including in Tungunska, Siberia, and the famous crash in Kecksberg, Pennsylvania, which was witnessed by many people. In each of these incidents, hundreds of military and NASA officials showed up and retrieved the evidence, and those who were witnesses were silenced under serious threats. There are are also many types of evidence that is left behind by UFOs, such as the "crop circles(pictograms)" and "cattle mutilations", in which the genuine cases have been found to have unusually high traces of electromagnetic (including microwave) energy, in which the plant stalks have exploded from the inside out, and nothing living grows in the area any longer.

In case anyone disagrees with the possiblity of angelic beings (and Nephilim/hybrids) using unusual crafts/disks to travel, let us take a look at some Scriptures. Please keep in mind that anything that is done by the holy forces of God is also counterfeited by the forces of darkness. Since the evil hosts cannot create anything totally original, they mimic and imitate what is already being done in Heaven. In several Scriptures, such as II Kings 6:17, Isaiah 66:15, and Psalm 68:17, we read that God and His angels sometimes travel in "chariots of fire". Even Elijah was taken up into Heaven in one. There is some speculation that since the ancient writers/prophets of these books may not have understood or totally comprehended what they were seeing, and therefore, they described the travel "crafts" of the Lord and His armies as "chariots of fire" with "horses". There are many paintings and carvings from ancient times which depict the ancient "gods", such as "Apollo", etc., flying through the heavens in 'chariots of fire', or 'fiery wheels'. Likewise, many ancient objects show images of aircrafts which specifically resemble 'wheels within wheels', with rays of light emanating from them.

There is one Scripture that stands out, in relation to this subject of "Unidentified flying objects",.....and it is Ezekiel 1:15-21. The prophet Ezekiel saw a vision of the Lord of hosts, and of His living creatures, and most of chapter one describes it in detail. In verses 15-21, it speaks of something that many Christians do not understand. It says: "Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, A WHEEL was on the Earth beside each living creature with its four faces. The appearance of the WHEELS and their workings was the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. THE APPEARANCE OF THEIR WORKINGS WAS, AS IT WERE, A WHEEL WITHIN A WHEEL. When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up, the wheels were lifted up. Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, FOR THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING CREATURES WAS IN THE WHEELS. When those went, these went; when they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up from the Earth, the wheels were lifted up with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels."

I believe that just as God's angels can travel in "chariots of fire"/"Wheels within wheels", then so likewise, the fallen angels (and Nephilim'"aliens") who are under satan's influence also can do the same, for they are counterfeiters, and making false replicas and imitations of the Real Deal. The apostle Paul said that we must beware, for angels of darkness masquerade themselves as angels of light. (2Cor.11:14) From what I and others have seen, they are shapeshifters, and have tremendous powers of deception. Several years ago, I also saw an unusual craft in the sky while in the woods, and it zigzagged at a very high rate of speed, continually changing colors before it went away. About a year ago, I also saw an "alien" UFO craft a the dream from the Lord, and, it's description was exactly the same as what Ezekiel saw in his vision. The only difference is that Ezekiel saw the "wheels within wheels" of the Lord, and I saw a satanic craft. The craft that I saw, was very similiar to what MANY others have seen and continue to see in the skies. And these type of UFO craft look exactly like "wheels within wheels" and they have beautiful
lights and changing colors and shapes. Just as Ezekiel described that "their rims were full of eyes", so likewise, I saw that the rims of this craft had many lights around it, and everything on the craft revolved within each other, rotating and spinning just like a wheel in a wheel.

This is the dream: "I was with several family members (in the future) and at some point, I looked at the sky, which was beautiful and sunny. Then, all of a sudden, the light faded into darkness, and it was night. I noticed that a meteor shower began, and I marveled at it. I noticed that the number of "falling stars" or meteors were increasing in greater number and frequency, and then, all of a sudden, one of the lights in the atmosphere started changing direction and moving at a tremendous speed in different directions, and eventually came closer and closer until it was about 500 ft. in the air above us, and the lights were very colorful and brilliant. The craft had different parts that rotated in different directions, kind of like a "wheel within a wheel", and the lights and energy that resonated from it seemed to have an entrancing effect on me and the others around me.It was at that moment in the dream that I sensed the warning from the Holy Spirit that this was spiritual deception, and that people were being put under a "spell". I could feel the intense evil that resonated from that craft, and I knew that it was satanic in nature, and that these beings within it were involved in a spiritual seduction of the peoples, luring them into the trap of darkness.The last thing that I remember from that dream before I woke up in a cold sweat and with extreme cautionary fear, ...was that as my eyes were transfixed upon the lights of this craft, the demonic power of the delusion was almost overpowering me, and I began to repeat prayers unto the Lord, asking for the spiritual covering of Christ's Blood, and then I was given spiritual boldness to stick my hand in the air towards that "alien" craft and rebuke the power of it. At that moment, I awoke, and sat upright in bed, drenched in a cold sweat, and my heart was pounding.

I will NEVER forget this dream as long as I live, and I warn every single person who reads this to never give in or receive the "counsel" and the lie from these beings. In the book of Revelation, whenever it speaks of the "signs and lieing wonders" which are performed by the Anti-Christ and False Prophet, and other satanic forces in that day and hour, it says, "If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived." The reason that God's elect and chosen sons and daughters upon the Earth are spared from this deception is ONLY because they are sealed by the Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of Truth. I believe that the Lord has revealed to me (and others) over the years, that these "alien" beings have been involved in the affairs of mankind since the Fall, and will increase their activity in the days ahead, preparing for the widespread collective deception of the masses."

In Verse 37 of Matt.24:37-39, the Lord clearly says to us, "But as the days of Noah were, so ALSO will the coming of the Son of Man be."(NKJV) In the NLT, it says, "When the Son of Man comes, it will be like it was in Noah's day." Many people tend to only look at the other verse which speaks of the "eating, drinking, and giving in marriage" as the only description of those ancient times, while overlooking the very important fact that during the time of Noah, the fallen Watchers(bene'elohim/angels) were coming down and taking human wives unto themselves, and corrupting the race through intermingling/crossbreeding, which was resulting in evil hybrids, and the Earth was being filled with every kind of wickedness.

Nowadays, (just as in days of Noah) we are seeing that many of the fallen angels are repeating their former sins by abducting people in these (UFO) crafts, and are using their sperm/eggs, in experiments for the goal of creating another race of hybrids. Many of the abductees have been able to get confirmations from their doctors that their reproductive systems had indeed been tampered with. There is also another confirmation of this
phenomenon whenever speaking of certain evil spirits, which are by tradition called the "incumbus and succumbus". For thousands of years, there have been records within occultic texts, and even in some religious writings, and modern day testimonies that speak of men and women being sexually attacked in the night by "masculine"/succumbus and "feminine"/incumbus evil spirits. In fact, about three years ago, I read a (highly reputable) newspaper article which spoke of many people on some island down in the Carribean who were attacked by "sexual" spirits, and many became afraid, and continually called on the police and authorities to patrol the streets at night to try to protect them. All over the world, these crafts have been seen, and also photographed and videotaped, being known to change colors, and shapeshift, sometimes even merging into each other and reseparating, as if these "crafts" were "alive". Likewise, many of those who have been abducted from these "alien" beings in these crafts, have described that they were manipulated and physically, mentally, spiritually abused by these beings. Many abductees speak of being probed, and of having experiments done on them. One common denominator in these cases, which I think is very important to notice, is that sperm and eggs are taken from these people. In my opinion, this ties into the belief that these beings may be doing some kind of genetic manipulation and experiment of trying to create a "superhuman" demon/human hybrid race of beings. I know that this is controversial in nature,....but we must consider some things:

Many of the "abductees" and many New-Agers and occultists say that these beings and angels have been and continue to "aid us in our evolution as a species" by genetic manipulation. Many even claim that Mohammed, Jesus, Siddartha Budda, Krishna, etc. are "gods" that were evolved with the help of the beings in UFOs. Many occultists presently call on these beings for "wisdom" and "enlightment", and channel their energies and powers. I believe strongly that the Holy Spirit has revealed to me (and many others)that these "UFOs" and "aliens" play a huge role in the End-Time deception of the masses. After all, books are already being written, which contain the quotations of the occultic philosphies that are spoken by these beings. Likewise, the genuine crop circles (not the hoaxes) that are created by UFOs are usually "pictograms" of "sacred geometry" and also some occultic symbols, which are based upon satanically inspired 'numerology'. Many occultists claim that this "circles" are part of the language of the "star gods" and that they are trying to get us to teach us how to evolve, etc. I heard of at least one occultist translating the numbers mathematically from the symbols and applied it into notes of music. Guess what, ...that music is known to automatically put people into a trance, and these people are reportedly seeing powerful visions and dreams, etc. Likewise, many people are being "awakened" with powers and "mind-over-matter" abilities, which is pure witchcraft. Some folks assume that these symbols have mathematical frequencies which can alter one's DNA structure, thus speeding up our "evolution" into becoming beings of a higher energy state. I believe that these beings are trying to reprogram the human race, so that we will deny the True and Living God.

First of all,....in case anyone assumes that it is impossible to combine the DNA of various species, take a closer look at another aspect of this reality: We should realize that our scientists have cracked and deciphered the genome of humans, animals, insects, and plants, and have been doing genetic-manipulation experiments for many years(including the creation of clones). If you don't believe me, then simply do a thorough online search on this multi-faceted topic(including articles by National Geographic, and other highly reputable sources, etc.), and you'd be surprised. They are not only inter-breeding certain species, but also doing cross-pollenization of plants. If humans scientists can do it,....why can't fallen angelic beings figure out a way to do it,...when they're much smarter and more powerful than us?

We must remember that even though most of mythology in ancient pagan cultures were of course, fables,.....most of these fables may possibly have a small "kernel" of fact within them. The Greeks and Romans of ancient times depicted minotaurs (bull/human hybrids), griffons (lion/eagle hybrid), hippogriffs (griffin/horse hybrids), centaurs (horse/human hybrids), satyrs (goat/human hybrids), and others. Also, the Egyptians depicted many of their gods as human/animal hybrids, usually with an animal's head on a human body. The Sphynx (human-headed lion) is common within many ancient mythologies. There are myths and tales all around the world of were-creatures (lycanthropes), for example werewolves, which are usually shown as hairy humans with various wolflike features. What if these creatures were not merely fictional, but actually hybrids that were created through some sort of genetic-manipulation? Never forget that sometimes as the saying goes, "Truth is stranger than fiction".

The hybrid "aliens"(nephilim) of current times, are usually seen in the form of the "Greys"(which have faces that appear sort of like serpents) as being a lot smaller (with 4 fingers and toes) than the giants(with 6 fingers/toes). Once again, this reveals certain DNA changes. These current "aliens" teach the same pagan philosophy that the ancient pagan civilizations claim that the ancient nephilim giants taught them.

If one is wise, then one will look at ALL of these pieces, for they form a clear picture of what has occured, and still is occuring. The occultists are teaching that these "gods" created mankind into their own image, and they believe that the "aliens"(hybrids/Nephilim) are helping alter our DNA so that we may evolve into 'gods'. Not only is this depicted within the ancient pagan theologies and mythologies,....but this same message is being taught everywhere, whether it be in (mystery/esoteric)occultic schools of thought, books, Sci-Fi TV shows, movies, etc. Rather than looking to our Creator, many are looking up to these "aliens" and the fallen angels. This phenomenon has also been reported in many highly reputable TV news documentaries (including the Learning (TLC) and History, Discovery, and National Geographic Channels) as well as in thousands of websites, books, etc. Likewise, many people have been capturing images of these strange, multi-colored crafts on videotape, which have not been debunked/disproven by the sceptics. Anyone who doubts all of this will soon become sorely surprised whenever these UFOs are manifested openly on a mass scale in the near future, in order to deceive many. They fly in the atmosphere above the Earth, and never forget that this is the main domain of the evil principalities and powers, for their leader, satan himself is the "prince and power of the air". These fallen angelic beings and also the nephilim operate in a "hive mind" or singular consciousness with an evil intent of deceiving and damning all who are upon the Earth.We'd better start paying attention to what's going on. This deception will soon cover the entire world, just as it did in times past. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

Our spiritual warfare is not only against the evil angelic principalities and powers in the heavenly places, but also the Nephilim("aliens"/hybrids) who fly around in "UFO" crafts, and also the earthbound, disembodied demonic spirits who continually do the bidding of their master, the devil, seeking human vessels to possess. Satan wants to create his own kingdom and empire on Earth, in a desperate attempt to replace the Most High,....but thankfully, his schemes and tactics will fail, for the Lord will soon return to Earth, and of His Kingdom, there shall be no end. (Dan. 7:14) Hallelujah!

(1John 4:4) "You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because HE who is in you is greater than he who is in the world."

(Rev. 12:11) "And they overcame him by the Blood of the Lamb and by the Word of their Testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death."

(Romans 8:37-39) "Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."



In HIM we live, move, and have our being,

Jonathan



from; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/unfailing/message/2952








I don't think you are going crazy...their is a guy name stan Johnson who talks about this same thing but he think it will be apart of the Great Delusion.

Check it out

http://www.prophecyclub.com/streaming_audio.htm


It is very good!

I do have a question......if the only way someone can come into this world is to be born of a woman, how can these fallen angels mix their seed with and earthly woman?!?







I don't understand all this....... but if you go back to Genesis 6:1-4, these verses refer to the fallen angels living with the daughters of men and children being born out of those unions. There are in depth studies of this...I am not doing justice to the subject, but hope this helps!


AGAPEaNg
Well, whatever they are, I know someone who claims to be one. He says that as a very young child when he was homeless he was told by another angel that he was one of these. Strange things happened to him and he was very intelligent and wise, even as a child. He came to remember his past, before he was born on earth. Well, I have discussed a lot of topics with him so I can't explain everything he believes but it is a bit unorthodox and slighty occultish. When referring to what he "is," he mentions the Watchers and the angel of death, supposedly he is the one percent that didn't fall away from god but didn't obey him either. So now he believes he is ruled by fate with no free will and he cannot sin. He does say he is of Christ but he has provided nothing but confusion and guilt to me. Well, that is the basic introduction to someone who says he is one of these that you all are discussing. What do I think? I have been trying to figure that out for the last three and a half years and I still just don't know.
Samuel
As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

Loisfaith2000, i respect your opinion, but why do the nephilim have to be extraterrestrials? How do you know that they're under the ground and in the atmosphere?

I don't understand why GOD wouldn't stop something like Angels breeding with women. I'm starting to think that these "Sons of GOD" may simply have been godly (righteouss) men who gave into the temptations of ungodly women. I remember a verse from somewhere in the New Testament, that by GOD'S grace we can become "sons of GOD," and as far as i know, i'm not half angel.

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P.S. Samuel, it would make the Caananites more like half-demonic than half-angelic.
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Harsh words!!!!!! But then, it probably doesn't matter much cause the Canaanite race doesn't exist anymore!
(You can guess where they went!)

w Alayqoum Salaam
LoisFaith2000
Samuel: Thank You for posting! unsure.gif unsure! Hope this might help.......Loey

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From: "Jonathan Powell"

Subject: Dream from the Lord about the coming UFO invasion

Saints,

I have studied Ufology for many years, and also have seen a prophetic
spiritual dream of an "alien" craft, and thus, I have come to the conclusion
that they are definately satanic in nature. About 6 months ago, at 6 am, I
experienced a dream from the Lord in which I was with several family members
sometime in the future, and at some point, I looked at the sky, which was
beautiful and sunny. Then, all of a sudden, the light faded into darkness,
and it was night. I noticed that a meteor shower began, and I marveled at
it. I noticed that the number of "falling stars" or meteors were increasing
in greater number and frequency, and then, all of a sudden, one of the
lights in the atmosphere started changing direction and moving at a
tremendous speed in different directions, and eventually came closer and
closer, until it was about 500 ft. in the air above us, and the lights were
very colorful and brilliant. The craft had different parts that rotated in
different directions, kind of like a "wheel within a wheel", and the lights
and energy that resonated from it seemed to have an entrancing effect on me
and the others around me. It was at that moment in the dream that I sensed
the warning from the Holy Spirit that this was spiritual deception, and that
people were being put under a "spell". I could feel the intense evil that
resonated from that craft, and I knew that it was satanic in nature, and
that these beings within it were involved in a spiritual seduction of the
peoples, luring them into the trap of darkness. The last thing that I
remember from that dream before I woke up in a cold sweat and with extreme
cautionary fear, ...was that as my eyes were transfixed upon the lights of
this craft, the demonic power of the delusion was almost overpowering me,
and I began to repeat prayers unto the Lord, asking for the spiritual
covering of Christ's Blood, and then I was given spiritual boldness to stick
my hand in the air towards that "alien" craft and rebuke the power of it. At
that moment, I awoke, and sat upright in bed, drenched in a cold sweat, and
my heart was pounding. I will NEVER forget this dream as long as I live, and
I warn every single person who reads this to never give in or receive the
"counsel" and the lie from these beings. In the book of Revelation, whenever
it speaks of the "signs and lying wonders" which are performed by the
Anti-Christ and False Prophet, and other satanic forces in that day and
hour, it says, "If it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived."
The reason that God's elect and chosen sons and daughters upon the Earth are
spared from this deception is ONLY because they are sealed by the Holy
Spirit, who is the Spirit of Truth. I believe that the Lord has revealed to
me (and others) over the years, that these "alien" beings have been involved
in the affairs of mankind since the Fall, and will increase their activity
in the days ahead, preparing for the widespread collective deception of the
masses.

your brother in Christ,
Jonathan

from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Watchmen-Pro...y/message/13198

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"Day Of The Watchmen: Return Of The Nephilim"hollie moody
hlmoody61@msn.com
January 15, 2006

Micah 7:4 ~ ".the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh."

Luke 17:26 ~ "And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."

In a vision, I was standing in a group of people. We were laughing and talking together. I sensed that the Lord was standing next to me.
"Child," I heard the Lord say to me, "what are you doing here?"
I was surprised by the Lord's question. "I am visiting with my friends," I replied.
"This is not what I have called you unto," the Lord said to me. "Why are you
not up in the tower where I have called you to be?"
I saw that the Lord had turned from the group of people, and was pointing upwards. I looked up to where the Lord was pointing, and saw a very high tower. "Because it's lonely in the tower," I said to the Lord.
"Return to where I have stationed you," the Lord commanded me.

I slowly began to climb my way back up into the high tower. When I arrived back into the tower, I saw that the entire tower was open on all sides and that I was able to look out easily into all directions.
I looked down and saw that the Lord was walking in and out of the crowds of people spread out below me. At intervals, He would stop and speak quietly to certain people. These people would then also separate themselves from the crowds and make their way to where the Lord would point for them to be.

I saw that some of the people were positioned on rooftops. Some were positioned on walls that ran around the perimeter of the city. Others were in groups of twos and were walking around the city together. Still others were also up in high towers such as the one I was in.
I then sensed the Lord's return next to me.
"Why am I here, Lord?" I asked.
"To keep watch," the Lord replied.
(Habakkuk 2:1-3 ~~ "{1} I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved. {2} And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it. {3} For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.")

So, I watched. For quite some time, I continued to watch. Yet, I saw nothing.
I noticed that the Lord was going from watchman to watchman, speaking to them. I saw that some of them had fallen asleep on their watch, and that the Lord appeared quite displeased by this.
(Isaiah 56:10 ~~ "His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb
dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.")
Suddenly, I saw something bright falling from the heavens. When this brightness struck the earth, I saw what appeared to be a mist. From this mist sprang forth spirits, some type of angelic beings. Yet I felt tremendous and immense fear and unease as I viewed these spiritual beings.
(Luke 10:18 ~~ "And he <Jesus> said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall
from heaven."
Revelation 9:1-3 ~~ "{1} And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from
heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. {2} And
he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke
of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke
of the pit. {3} And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto
them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

Revelation 16:14 ~~ "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

2 Corinthians 11:14 ~~ "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.")

"What is happening, Lord?" I asked the Lord. "What are these spiritual beings?"
"These are the fallen ones," the Lord replied. "This is the return of the Nephilim."
I had no idea what these words meant, yet was filled with absolute terror at what the Lord had just said to me.
I then saw more spiritual beings descending from the heavens. Yet, even though I was afraid when I saw them, it was not with the same terror I had felt upon seeing those to whom the Lord referred to as the Nephilim.
"Who are these beings, Lord?" I asked.
"These are the Watchers," the Lord replied. "The Holy Ones."

(Daniel 4: 13, 17 ~~ "{13} I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven; {17} This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men."

Hebrews 1:14 ~~ "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?")

I watched from my place in the tower as the Nephilim entered into what appeared to be laboratories. I saw as the Nephilim stood side by side with what appeared to be doctors and whispered into the ears of the doctors. These doctors were conducting what appeared to be some type of complex experiments.

Here in the laboratories, I saw as what appeared to be humans were brought forth. Yet, something about these "humans" disturbed me greatly.
"What is transpiring here, Lord?" I asked the Lord. "Who are these people that are being brought forth?"
"These are the soul-less ones," the Lord replied.
I felt a chill settle upon me at the Lord's words.
"From the very beginning of time," the Lord said to me, "Satan has sought
to insinuate himself into the bloodline of men. He sought to taint the bloodline
through which Messiah would come. Satan did this to prevent the salvation of
mankind
."

(Genesis 3:15 ~~ "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

Genesis 6:2, 4 ~~ "{2} .the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. {4} There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.")
"The world was filled with wickedness and the bloodline became corrupt through the fallen ones," the Lord said to me. "Until only one just and perfect man was left upon the face of the earth. Only his bloodline was free from any taint and blemish of the seed of the fallen ones. It was to be through the bloodline of Noah that My covenant would continue to be established. And it repented Me that I had made man, and it was determined to destroy man and the earth to free it from the taint of the fallen ones."

(Genesis 6:9, 17-18 ~~ "{9}.Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. {17} And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. {18} But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives
with thee.

Jude 6 ~~ "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.")

I then saw as the Nephilim aligned themselves with certain people, and merged themselves with these people. I saw as they revealed themselves to these people as angels of light, as spiritual guides. I then heard as these people began to proclaim and speak of new theories and discoveries with which to explain the mysteries of the past, as well as forthcoming discoveries of the future. And their words were greeted and welcomed and believed upon by many.

(Galatians 1:8 ~~ "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ~~ "{9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

1 Timothy 4:1 ~~ "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

2 Timothy 4:4 ~~ "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.")

"What is the purpose of these things?" I asked the Lord.

"This is a last effort waged by the enemy to destroy man's ability to receive
salvation," the Lord explained to me. "The soul-less ones do not have the
ability to become or to experience salvation; for they have no soul.
"Tell My children to watch, child," the Lord said unto me. "Tell them to allow
nothing to deceive them."

"Who would believe these words, Lord?" I asked the Lord.
"Very few," the Lord replied. "The words you speak will sound foolish to many. Yet the warning given to them now will become a seed planted in their heart. These words will be remembered by them when the need arrives. Fear not, child, to speak what I command you to speak."

(Acts 18: 9-10 ~~ "{9} Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace: {10} For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.")
In Him,
~~ Hollie L. Moody
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HollieLMoody/
AGAPEaNg
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I then saw as the Nephilim aligned themselves with certain people, and merged themselves with these people. I saw as they revealed themselves to these people as angels of light, as spiritual guides. I then heard as these people began to proclaim and speak of new theories and discoveries with which to explain the mysteries of the past, as well as forthcoming discoveries of the future. And their words were greeted and welcomed and believed upon by many.

(Galatians 1:8 ~~ "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 ~~ "{9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish: because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

1 Timothy 4:1 ~~ "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils."

2 Timothy 4:4 ~~ "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.")

"What is the purpose of these things?" I asked the Lord.

"This is a last effort waged by the enemy to destroy man's ability to receive
salvation," the Lord explained to me. "The soul-less ones do not have the
ability to become or to experience salvation; for they have no soul.
"Tell My children to watch, child," the Lord said unto me. "Tell them to allow
nothing to deceive them."

"Who would believe these words, Lord?" I asked the Lord.
"Very few," the Lord replied. "The words you speak will sound foolish to many. Yet the warning given to them now will become a seed planted in their heart. These words will be remembered by them when the need arrives. Fear not, child, to speak what I command you to speak."

(Acts 18: 9-10 ~~ "{9} Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace: {10} For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.")
In Him,
~~ Hollie L. Moody
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HollieLMoody/


Beautiful, thank you
Samuel
As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah

I should have asked this question in my first post but anyway i here i go.
Is it at all possible that the Nephilim still exist?

w Alayqoum Salaam
senteami3
This picture managed to get my interest! Look at how strange the skull is. It looks like it has two rows of teeth... huh.gif blink.gif
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_an...naki/anu_11.htm
LemuelReyes
http://www.ryanmcginty.com/fallen/

i think you might want to read this for indepth analysis on the nephilim and how they are connected to the end times. A bit of a read though...took me a few hours to finish
Samuel
As-salaamu Alayqoum w Rahmutallah


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Look at how strange the skull is. It looks like it has two rows of teeth...
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It wasn't really the teeth that got my attention as much as the sheer size of the skeleton! There's only one word i can use to describe it . . .. . INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!
I never expected to see an actual photo of something like that!
Thanks Senteami3 alot for that link, it was REALLY interesting!
I'm really not convinced that the Nephilim are "aliens" in western terminology, i'm torn bewteen the inbreeding of fallen angels and women and the tainting of the bloodlines of GOD'S followers by sinful men theories.
I'll have to read over Revealation again to look for anything that might be viewed as a reference to the Nephilim.

w Alayqoum Salaam
Samuel
LOL SORRY EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laugh.gif

I know its been such a ridiculously long time since i opened this thread, but if any of you remembered what i said, about the Bible (Numbers) saying the original inhabitiants of Canaan (Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Girgashites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites) were the decendants of the Anakites who were the decendants of the Nephalim.
Well i just want to apologise for my misreading. Apparently i jumped to a conclusion about that. After finishing the Book of Joshua, i realised that the Bible speaks of the People of Canaan and the Anakites separatley so they could not have been the same people. According to what i've read the Anakites lived as a separate society from the other 7 Kingdoms of Canaan, and Joshua conquered them after the 7 Kingdoms were vanquished.

Once again, sorry for my misreading, my mistake blush.gif
Agape
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Adding some enlightening information on "the sons of God" and nephilim."

Sons of God: Adoption and Birth:

There are two ways to acquire a son: by adoption and by birth. A son by adoption is one who has been legally taken into a family. A son by birth is one who has the seed of his father.
In the OlD Testament, the "sons of God" refer to those whom God legally transacted to adopt. Those people who "believed" were made God's adopted son.
Romans 9:24
Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Exodus 4:22:And thou shalt say unto Pharoah. Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my first born.
In the Old Testament, Israel represented the believers' line, the sons of God. The Israelites who believed God were set aside as a distinction people.
Deuteronomy 14:1,2:Ye [are] the children [sons and daughters] of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.
The believers of Israel were adopted and thus made heirs to God's inheritance.
First God adopted; then He gave them all the benefits of a son. He considered them a special people, He was concerned for their welfare, and He made them heirs to His inheritance. After being given these provisions, God's adopted sons could still live a life of their own choosing. According to the many accounts in The Word, Israel still stumbled along--- sometimes obedient to the Father's will and sometimes not. One such example is rcorded in Numbers 33. The children of Israel were admonished to marry within their own selected people. But the sons didn't, and still don't always behave, thus bringing problems to themselves.
Numbers 33:50-54:
(51) And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan [near] Jericho, saying,
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan;

(52) Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:

(53) And ye shall dispossess [the inhabitants] of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it

(54) And ye shall divide the land by lot for an inheritance among your families: [and] to the more ye shall give the more inheritance, and to the fewer ye shall give the less inheritance: every man's [inheritance] shall be in the place where his lot falleth; according to the tribes of your fathers ye shall inherit.
God told Israel to cast down the idols in the land because they existed for the unbelievers; and God's people were a unique, peculiar people and were not to carry on as the unbelievers, the unrighteous did.
Numbers 33:55:But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them [shall be] pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
If the believers allowed any unbelievers to remain in the land, the believing sons would marry the daughters of the unbelievers: the "sons of God" would marry the "daughters of men.:
Genesis 6:1, 2:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and they took of them wives of all that they chose.
Theological teaching has propounded that the sons of God in Genesis 6 are the angels and the daughters are the daughters of human beings living on the face of the earth. Thus the teaching conjectures that the race of giants, in Hebrew called nephilim, came from the cohabitation of angels with humans. This idea is strictly private interpretation; the Bible suggests no such thing. The Word of God explicitly tells who those two specified groups are: the sons of God and the daughters of men. The first group stems from Seth and can be traced like a red thread all through the Word. The latter group stems from Cain.
I John 3:12:
Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous,
Because Cain was born of the Devil's seed he was accursed of God and his offering and his offering could not be accepted. Genesis 4 tells of Cain's treatment.
Genesis 4:14:Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me.
The specific kind of unrighteousness which Cain committed was unacceptable and unforgiveable. Thus the unrighteousness of Cain represented all the unbelievers in the Bible during Old Testament times. On the other hand, Cain's brother, Seth, was accepted of God.
Genesis 4:26:And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
(The literal translation reads: "Then began men to call their gods or idols, Jehovah." In Enos' day, the profanation of the name of Jehovah took root.)
Seth's line represented the believers, the called of God, the righteous ones.
(Following the family tree in Genesis 5, Seth begot Enos, Enos begot Cainan, Cainan begot Mahalaleel, Mahalaleel begat Lamech, and Lamech begot Noah, And according to Genesis 6:8, "Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.) The reason why Noah and his family found grace in the eyes of God is because Noah was the only one who remained faithful, the only one who believed God.
Although Seth and his offspring were faithful and righteous, Cain and his offspring, also adding to the population of the earth, had corrupted it in Noah's time.
Genesis 6:1, 2:And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and they took of them wives of all that they chose.
The sons of God, the believers, came out of Seth's line, the righteous ones. The daughters of men, the unbelievers, came out of the line of Cain, the unrighteous. God as their Father, advised the children of Israel, Seth's progeny, to marry When Israel disobeyed and married Cain's progeny, they brought disaster to themselves.

After Its Kind:
Genesis 1:11: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his* kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

*'His' in 'after his kind' is the word 'its.' There is no neuter form in Estrangelo Aramaic, nor in Hebrew.)
Verse 11 divulges many interesting truths. First, notice that it says all are to bring forth after their kind. 'Kind' is the word 'genos' in the Septuagint, transliterated into English as 'genus.' This means that when a cow is bred to a bull, a calf will be the result, not a lamb. A dog and a cow cannot breed and get a cow-dog, nor will a dog and cat produce a doggy-cat. Why? Because everything comes after its kind, after its genus. There can be a evolution or change within a genus, but not between genera. Variety occurs within a genus. For example, there are big cows and small cows, black, red and white cows: there are Guernsey, Jersey and Brown Swiss.
Genesis 1:11 reads: And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

('His' in 'after his kind' is the word 'its.' There is no neuter form in Estrangelo Aramaic, nor in Hebrew.)
An example of not following the teaching of The Word regarding everything 'after its kind' is found in an interpretation of Genesis 6.
Genesis 6:1-4:
(1) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

(2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

(3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

(4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

*They were giants* of champions of wickedness. The root of the Hebrew word 'nephilim' means 'to fall.' The Estrangelo Aramaic gives this word as the intensive form of 'gbra,' meaning 'very mighty men or champions.' The word, giants, 'gigantes,' was used in the Septuagint, the Syriac Version and the Vulgate.
Cohabitation of angels with man cannot be possible because the Bible says that each produces after its kind. In context, the faithful of God refers to the 'sons of God' and those unbelieving persons as the 'daughters of men.' regardless of whether male or female. When believers wandered from their own and married unbelievers, trouble ensued. Of course, the offspring of these marriages were products of parents of the same genus. No problem in Genesis 6 exist if readers don't make one.

To God be the Glory!
Agape
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I believe I should explain the statement "Cain was born of the Devil's seed," which I made in yesterday's post, Sons of God: Adoption and Birth.

Genesis 3:15:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
A child cannot be physically born without seed first being planted in the mother's womb. Once this seed is planted first the resulting fruit cannot be altered. You are the result of the seed of your father as long as you live. But Genesis 3:15 speaks of the woman having seed. Galatians 3:16 clarifies "her seed" in saying, "...And to thy seed, which is Christ.

So it is spiritually. In order to be born spiritually (called to be born again), a seed must be planted. A spiritual seed cannot be changed anymore than a physical seed can be changed.

The Word of God tells us that there are two spiritual fathers and, therefore, two possible sources for seed: God, the Father of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and the devil. the god of this world. Thus a person can be spiritually born of either one of these two fathers.

It is possible for a person of body and soul to go through life and never be born of either seed. A person does not always make a choice. But if the person does, the only two alternatives are to either accept Jesus Christ as Lord, or the devil as lord. There is a complete separation between the household of the two gods. They are opposite forces and antithetical essences.
I John 3, 9, 10, 12:
(9) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
In this seed of which a person is born again that he cannot commit sin. It is perfect spiritual seed. However, a born-again person can commit sin in the flesh (see Romans 7:1