I was reading in Rev. about the 144,000 and then where it shows the different tribes and i was wondering ...where is the tribe of Dan? I have tried to do some research and it shows this has the "Lost tribe of Isreal"...just wondering
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I was reading in Rev. about the 144,000 and then where it shows the different tribes and i was wondering ...where is the tribe of Dan? I have tried to do some research and it shows this has the "Lost tribe of Isreal"...just wondering
I was just watching a tape called Deciphering Daniel
By J. R. Church and Gary Stearman...............they also believe the Anti Christ comes from the lost tribe of Daniel..........
They also say..............the number 666 is to difficult for us to understand as many have tried in so many ways to decipher who he is...........
When he does appear ...............it will fall into place through the ability to trace him back to the lost tribe of Daniel........and suddenly the number 666 will be understood.
God Bless
By J. R. Church and Gary Stearman...............they also believe the Anti Christ comes from the lost tribe of Daniel..........
They also say..............the number 666 is to difficult for us to understand as many have tried in so many ways to decipher who he is...........
When he does appear ...............it will fall into place through the ability to trace him back to the lost tribe of Daniel........and suddenly the number 666 will be understood.
God Bless
See post No. 113
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...pic=3742&st=110
and post no. 119
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...pic=3742&st=115
I am wondering if the Tribe of Dan has something to do with the New Sanhedrin...
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...pic=3742&st=110
and post no. 119
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...pic=3742&st=115
I am wondering if the Tribe of Dan has something to do with the New Sanhedrin...
Listing of the 12 tribes of Israel is normally in groups of 12. What does change is the mix. In the case of the tribe of Dan, tradition says that it is through this tribe that idolatry was first introduced to Israel. Dan is not included in the 144,000 listing of Revelation. It is most likely a symbolic link since the 144,000 are untainted (virgins) by apostate religions of any kind, and will be Jewish believers in the Lord, and are selected for service during the 70th week.
I don't think this exclusion of the tribe Dan is a basis for supporting the idea that the "antichrist" will come from the tribe of Dan and therefore will be Jewish. It is possible, but would have to be speculated. The other support for this concept comes from Daniel 11:37. He shall not regard the god of his fathers, but will honor a strange god of forces whom his fathers knew not. Other related Scriptures on the character and actions of this entity indicate the he will honor Satan. It is Satan who transfers power and authority to the beast.
I do not see any direct support in Scripture that would reqiure the "antichrist" to be Jewish. Some think that Judas, who was Jewish, will be resurected to the position because the Lord inferred a Satanic connection. In this case I would say that the Lord was just identifying the real source of Judas's behavior.
In fact, this beast will hate Israel and attempt to extinguish the nation from the get-go. I believe this will be direct and attempted without any sort of smoke and mirrors deception games, and this behavior is more Scriptural by definition and actions of the beast.
The more likely case would be that he is Middle Eastern and Islamic. Abraham's off spring developed two branches who are still in battle currently and both claim the promises made to Abraham. Israel's direct enemies claim this through the common bondage of Islam today. It can also be said that one of Ishmael's line will not worship the god of his fathers, but will honor Allah (their name taken from the moon-god of the pre-Islamics), a strange god whom his fathers did not know .... more directly ....Abaddon, Satan's christ, "antichrist".
Actually, the human component of the "antichrist" could be of any ethnic lineage (the Bible does not directly define this). But his rise to power will be in the Middle East, he will invade and rule over national Israel, and his followers will worship him as a god. The scriptures support these things for sure.
I don't think this exclusion of the tribe Dan is a basis for supporting the idea that the "antichrist" will come from the tribe of Dan and therefore will be Jewish. It is possible, but would have to be speculated. The other support for this concept comes from Daniel 11:37. He shall not regard the god of his fathers, but will honor a strange god of forces whom his fathers knew not. Other related Scriptures on the character and actions of this entity indicate the he will honor Satan. It is Satan who transfers power and authority to the beast.
I do not see any direct support in Scripture that would reqiure the "antichrist" to be Jewish. Some think that Judas, who was Jewish, will be resurected to the position because the Lord inferred a Satanic connection. In this case I would say that the Lord was just identifying the real source of Judas's behavior.
In fact, this beast will hate Israel and attempt to extinguish the nation from the get-go. I believe this will be direct and attempted without any sort of smoke and mirrors deception games, and this behavior is more Scriptural by definition and actions of the beast.
The more likely case would be that he is Middle Eastern and Islamic. Abraham's off spring developed two branches who are still in battle currently and both claim the promises made to Abraham. Israel's direct enemies claim this through the common bondage of Islam today. It can also be said that one of Ishmael's line will not worship the god of his fathers, but will honor Allah (their name taken from the moon-god of the pre-Islamics), a strange god whom his fathers did not know .... more directly ....Abaddon, Satan's christ, "antichrist".
Actually, the human component of the "antichrist" could be of any ethnic lineage (the Bible does not directly define this). But his rise to power will be in the Middle East, he will invade and rule over national Israel, and his followers will worship him as a god. The scriptures support these things for sure.
[quote=Stephen,Jul 16 2006, 10:21 PM]
Listing of the 12 tribes of Israel is normally in groups of 12. What does change is the mix. In the case of the tribe of Dan, tradition says that it is through this tribe that idolatry was first introduced to Israel. Dan is not included in the 144,000 listing of Revelation. It is most likely a symbolic link since the 144,000 are untainted (virgins) by apostate religions of any kind, and will be Jewish believers in the Lord, and are selected for service during the 70th week."
Here is some scripture that may give clues as to why the tribe of Dan is missing.
Genesis 30:6
And Rachel said, God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore called she his name Dan.
The name Dan means "judge".
Genesis 49:16-17
Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
The tribe of Dan had sepcific calling that of a judge.
Exodus 31:1-11 - Two specific tribes were mentioned here regarding the workmanship of the tabernacle. The tribe of Judah and Dan.
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah: 3And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, 4To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, 5And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship. 6And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee; 7The tabernacle of the congregation, and the ark of the testimony, and the mercy seat that is thereupon, and all the furniture of the tabernacle, 8And the table and his furniture, and the pure candlestick with all his furniture, and the altar of incense, 9And the altar of burnt offering with all his furniture, and the laver and his foot, 10And the cloths of service, and the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, to minister in the priest's office,
11And the anointing oil, and sweet incense for the holy place: according to all that I have commanded thee shall they do.
Exodus 35:33-35
33And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of wood, to make any manner of cunning work. 34And he hath put in his heart that he may teach, both he, and Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan.
35Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine linen, and of the weaver, even of them that do any work, and of those that devise cunning work.
Again scripture shows that the tribe of Dan was given the task of building the tabernacle plus wisdom and understanding.
Exodus 38:22-24
22And Bezaleel the son Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, made all that the LORD commanded Moses. 23And with him was Aholiab, son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, an engraver, and a cunning workman, and an embroiderer in blue, and in purple, and in scarlet, and fine linen. 24All the gold that was occupied for the work in all the work of the holy place, even the gold of the offering, was twenty and nine talents, and seven hundred and thirty shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
Third time again we see that both the tribe of Dan and Judah did the work for building the tabernacle.
Leviticus 24: 1-4. 11-14
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually. 3Without the vail of the testimony, in the tabernacle of the congregation, shall Aaron order it from the evening unto the morning before the LORD continually: it shall be a statute for ever in your generations. 4He shall order the lamps upon the pure candlestick before the LORD continually.
11And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:) 12And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them. 13And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 14Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
During the building of the tabernacle, a Danite curses God is stoned.
Numbers 1:37-39
37Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Benjamin, were thirty and five thousand and four hundred. 38Of the children of Dan, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 39Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Dan, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
Tribe of Dan numbered in old testament, only those that were old enough to go to war.
Numbers 2:24-26
24All that were numbered of the camp of Ephraim were an hundred thousand and eight thousand and an hundred, throughout their armies. And they shall go forward in the third rank. 25The standard of the camp of Dan shall be on the north side by their armies: and the captain of the children of Dan shall be Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai. 26And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
The camp for the tribe of Dan was given a specific position in war tactics. Guarded the north.
Numbers 2:30-32
30And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were fifty and three thousand and four hundred. 31All they that were numbered in the camp of Dan were an hundred thousand and fifty and seven thousand and six hundred. They shall go hindmost with their standards. 32These are those which were numbered of the children of Israel by the house of their fathers: all those that were numbered of the camps throughout their hosts were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty.
Tribe of Dan played the rear guard during war and protection of Israel.
Number 7
66On the tenth day Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai, prince of the children of Dan, offered: 67His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering:
68One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:
69One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering:
70One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
71And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai.
Dedication of the tabernacle, the tribe of Dan made offerings on the tenth day.
Numbers 25: 41-43
42These are the sons of Dan after their families: of Shuham, the family of the Shuhamites. These are the families of Dan after their families. 43All the families of the Shuhamites, according to those that were numbered of them, were threescore and four thousand and four hundred.
The Shuhamites were of the tribe of Dan.
Deuteronomy 27
11And Moses charged the people the same day, saying,
12These shall stand upon mount Gerizim to bless the people, when ye are come over Jordan; Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Joseph, and Benjamin: 13And these shall stand upon mount Ebal to curse; Reuben, Gad, and Asher, and Zebulun, Dan, and Naphtali. 14And the Levites shall speak, and say unto all the men of Israel with a loud voice, 15Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. 16Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Prpphecy conerning Israel, tribe of Dan will be among those that curse God. Also hinted that they will be among those that will fall into paganism.
Deuteronomy 33:21-22
21And he provided the first part for himself, because there, in a portion of the lawgiver, was he seated; and he came with the heads of the people, he executed the justice of the LORD, and his judgments with Israel. 22And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan.
Another prophecy concerning the tribe of Dan as a judge.
Joshua 19
47And the coast of the children of Dan went out too little for them: therefore the children of Dan went up to fight against Leshem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and possessed it, and dwelt therein, and called Leshem, Dan, after the name of Dan their father. 48This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Dan according to their families, these cities with their villages.
The inheritance of the land for the tribe of Dan, and considered the 7 th lot in verse 40.
Judges 5:17
16Why abodest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the bleatings of the flocks? For the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart.
17Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches.
18Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.
Tribe of Dan mentioned in the song of Deborah
Judges 13
1And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD delivered them into the hand of the Philistines forty years. 2And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not. 3And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
The prophecy concerning Samson a Danite.
Judges 18
1In those days there was no king in Israel: and in those days the tribe of the Danites sought them an inheritance to dwell in; for unto that day all their inheritance had not fallen unto them among the tribes of Israel.
2And the children of Dan sent of their family five men from their coasts, men of valour, from Zorah, and from Eshtaol, to spy out the land, and to search it; and they said unto them, Go, search the land: who when they came to mount Ephraim, to the house of Micah, they lodged there.
Tribe of Dan sent to spy out the enemy. Later on the chapter they guarded the gate and went to war.
Judges 18:29-31
29And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.
30And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land. 31And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.
Tribe of Dan sets up idol worship and Mannassah serves as priests to the tribe of Dan. Happened until Israel went into captivity.
Jeroboam king of Isreal during the rebellion sets up idols and pagan worship. One is placed in Dan.
28Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 29And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan. 30And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.
2 Kings 10:28-29
28Thus Jehu destroyed Baal out of Israel.
29Howbeit from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, Jehu departed not from after them, to wit, the golden calves that were in Bethel, and that were in Dan.
Rebellion continues... Tribe of Dan a main center for pagan worship in Israel.
1 Chronicles 12:34-36
34And of Naphtali a thousand captains, and with them with shield and spear thirty and seven thousand.
35And of the Danites expert in war twenty and eight thousand and six hundred.
36And of Asher, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, forty thousand.
Tribe of Dan considered experts in war.
2 Chronicles 2:13-15
13And now I have sent a cunning man, endued with understanding, of Huram my father's, 14The son of a woman of the daughters of Dan, and his father was a man of Tyre, skilful to work in gold, and in silver, in brass, in iron, in stone, and in timber, in purple, in blue, and in fine linen, and in crimson; also to grave any manner of graving, and to find out every device which shall be put to him, with thy cunning men, and with the cunning men of my lord David thy father.
A Danite and son of, Huram the King of Tyre helped rebuild the temple.
Jeremiah 4:14-16
14O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee? 15For a voice declareth from Dan, and publisheth affliction from mount Ephraim. 16Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.
Jeremiah's prophecy against Israel, news comes from tribe of Dan.
Jeremiah 8:15-17
15We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble! 16The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. 17For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.
Prophecy concerning tribe of Dan as a devourer of the land. PLease also note that Dan was prophesied to be a serpant in the way. See Genesis 49.
Ezekiel 27
19Dan also and Javan going to and fro occupied in thy fairs: bright iron, cassia, and calamus, were in thy market.
Prophecy concerning Tyre, Dan a major trader with Tyre.
Ezekiel 48:,35
1Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan. 35It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.
Dan is given a portion during the millenial reign.
Ezekiel 48:31-33
32And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.
Tribe of Dan occupies the eastern gate with Joseph and Benjamin.
Amos 8:13-15
13In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
14They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.
Prophecy of Amos mentions Dan as being the main cause for Isreal's sin of idolatry.
God Bless and hope this answers some questions.
Listing of the 12 tribes of Israel is normally in groups of 12. What does change is the mix. In the case of the tribe of Dan, tradition says that it is through this tribe that idolatry was first introduced to Israel. Dan is not included in the 144,000 listing of Revelation. It is most likely a symbolic link since the 144,000 are untainted (virgins) by apostate religions of any kind, and will be Jewish believers in the Lord, and are selected for service during the 70th week."
Here is some scripture that may give clues as to why the tribe of Dan is missing.
Genesis 30:6
And Rachel said, God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore called she his name Dan.
The name Dan means "judge".
Genesis 49:16-17
Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
The tribe of Dan had sepcific calling that of a judge.
Exodus 31:1-11 - Two specific tribes were mentioned here regarding the workmanship of the tabernacle. The tribe of Judah and Dan.
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2See, I have called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah: 3And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, 4To devise cunning works, to work in gold, and in silver, and in brass, 5And in cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of timber, to work in all manner of workmanship. 6And I, behold, I have given with him Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan: and in the hearts of all that are wise hearted I have put wisdom, that they may make all that I have commanded thee; 7The tabernacle of the congregation, and the ark of the testimony, and the mercy seat that is thereupon, and all the furniture of the tabernacle, 8And the table and his furniture, and the pure candlestick with all his furniture, and the altar of incense, 9And the altar of burnt offering with all his furniture, and the laver and his foot, 10And the cloths of service, and the holy garments for Aaron the priest, and the garments of his sons, to minister in the priest's office,
11And the anointing oil, and sweet incense for the holy place: according to all that I have commanded thee shall they do.
Exodus 35:33-35
33And in the cutting of stones, to set them, and in carving of wood, to make any manner of cunning work. 34And he hath put in his heart that he may teach, both he, and Aholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan.
35Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine linen, and of the weaver, even of them that do any work, and of those that devise cunning work.
Again scripture shows that the tribe of Dan was given the task of building the tabernacle plus wisdom and understanding.
Exodus 38:22-24
22And Bezaleel the son Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, made all that the LORD commanded Moses. 23And with him was Aholiab, son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, an engraver, and a cunning workman, and an embroiderer in blue, and in purple, and in scarlet, and fine linen. 24All the gold that was occupied for the work in all the work of the holy place, even the gold of the offering, was twenty and nine talents, and seven hundred and thirty shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
Third time again we see that both the tribe of Dan and Judah did the work for building the tabernacle.
Leviticus 24: 1-4. 11-14
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually. 3Without the vail of the testimony, in the tabernacle of the congregation, shall Aaron order it from the evening unto the morning before the LORD continually: it shall be a statute for ever in your generations. 4He shall order the lamps upon the pure candlestick before the LORD continually.
11And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:) 12And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them. 13And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 14Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
During the building of the tabernacle, a Danite curses God is stoned.
Numbers 1:37-39
37Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Benjamin, were thirty and five thousand and four hundred. 38Of the children of Dan, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war; 39Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Dan, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
Tribe of Dan numbered in old testament, only those that were old enough to go to war.
Numbers 2:24-26
24All that were numbered of the camp of Ephraim were an hundred thousand and eight thousand and an hundred, throughout their armies. And they shall go forward in the third rank. 25The standard of the camp of Dan shall be on the north side by their armies: and the captain of the children of Dan shall be Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai. 26And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
The camp for the tribe of Dan was given a specific position in war tactics. Guarded the north.
Numbers 2:30-32
30And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were fifty and three thousand and four hundred. 31All they that were numbered in the camp of Dan were an hundred thousand and fifty and seven thousand and six hundred. They shall go hindmost with their standards. 32These are those which were numbered of the children of Israel by the house of their fathers: all those that were numbered of the camps throughout their hosts were six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty.
Tribe of Dan played the rear guard during war and protection of Israel.
Number 7
66On the tenth day Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai, prince of the children of Dan, offered: 67His offering was one silver charger, the weight whereof was an hundred and thirty shekels, one silver bowl of seventy shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary; both of them full of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering:
68One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:
69One young bullock, one ram, one lamb of the first year, for a burnt offering:
70One kid of the goats for a sin offering:
71And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Ahiezer the son of Ammishaddai.
Dedication of the tabernacle, the tribe of Dan made offerings on the tenth day.
Numbers 25: 41-43
42These are the sons of Dan after their families: of Shuham, the family of the Shuhamites. These are the families of Dan after their families. 43All the families of the Shuhamites, according to those that were numbered of them, were threescore and four thousand and four hundred.
The Shuhamites were of the tribe of Dan.
Deuteronomy 27
11And Moses charged the people the same day, saying,
12These shall stand upon mount Gerizim to bless the people, when ye are come over Jordan; Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Joseph, and Benjamin: 13And these shall stand upon mount Ebal to curse; Reuben, Gad, and Asher, and Zebulun, Dan, and Naphtali. 14And the Levites shall speak, and say unto all the men of Israel with a loud voice, 15Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen. 16Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Prpphecy conerning Israel, tribe of Dan will be among those that curse God. Also hinted that they will be among those that will fall into paganism.
Deuteronomy 33:21-22
21And he provided the first part for himself, because there, in a portion of the lawgiver, was he seated; and he came with the heads of the people, he executed the justice of the LORD, and his judgments with Israel. 22And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan.
Another prophecy concerning the tribe of Dan as a judge.
Joshua 19
47And the coast of the children of Dan went out too little for them: therefore the children of Dan went up to fight against Leshem, and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and possessed it, and dwelt therein, and called Leshem, Dan, after the name of Dan their father. 48This is the inheritance of the tribe of the children of Dan according to their families, these cities with their villages.
The inheritance of the land for the tribe of Dan, and considered the 7 th lot in verse 40.
Judges 5:17
16Why abodest thou among the sheepfolds, to hear the bleatings of the flocks? For the divisions of Reuben there were great searchings of heart.
17Gilead abode beyond Jordan: and why did Dan remain in ships? Asher continued on the sea shore, and abode in his breaches.
18Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.
Tribe of Dan mentioned in the song of Deborah
Judges 13
1And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD delivered them into the hand of the Philistines forty years. 2And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not. 3And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.
The prophecy concerning Samson a Danite.
Judges 18
1In those days there was no king in Israel: and in those days the tribe of the Danites sought them an inheritance to dwell in; for unto that day all their inheritance had not fallen unto them among the tribes of Israel.
2And the children of Dan sent of their family five men from their coasts, men of valour, from Zorah, and from Eshtaol, to spy out the land, and to search it; and they said unto them, Go, search the land: who when they came to mount Ephraim, to the house of Micah, they lodged there.
Tribe of Dan sent to spy out the enemy. Later on the chapter they guarded the gate and went to war.
Judges 18:29-31
29And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.
30And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land. 31And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.
Tribe of Dan sets up idol worship and Mannassah serves as priests to the tribe of Dan. Happened until Israel went into captivity.
Jeroboam king of Isreal during the rebellion sets up idols and pagan worship. One is placed in Dan.
28Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 29And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan. 30And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.
2 Kings 10:28-29
28Thus Jehu destroyed Baal out of Israel.
29Howbeit from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, Jehu departed not from after them, to wit, the golden calves that were in Bethel, and that were in Dan.
Rebellion continues... Tribe of Dan a main center for pagan worship in Israel.
1 Chronicles 12:34-36
34And of Naphtali a thousand captains, and with them with shield and spear thirty and seven thousand.
35And of the Danites expert in war twenty and eight thousand and six hundred.
36And of Asher, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, forty thousand.
Tribe of Dan considered experts in war.
2 Chronicles 2:13-15
13And now I have sent a cunning man, endued with understanding, of Huram my father's, 14The son of a woman of the daughters of Dan, and his father was a man of Tyre, skilful to work in gold, and in silver, in brass, in iron, in stone, and in timber, in purple, in blue, and in fine linen, and in crimson; also to grave any manner of graving, and to find out every device which shall be put to him, with thy cunning men, and with the cunning men of my lord David thy father.
A Danite and son of, Huram the King of Tyre helped rebuild the temple.
Jeremiah 4:14-16
14O Jerusalem, wash thine heart from wickedness, that thou mayest be saved. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee? 15For a voice declareth from Dan, and publisheth affliction from mount Ephraim. 16Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.
Jeremiah's prophecy against Israel, news comes from tribe of Dan.
Jeremiah 8:15-17
15We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble! 16The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. 17For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.
Prophecy concerning tribe of Dan as a devourer of the land. PLease also note that Dan was prophesied to be a serpant in the way. See Genesis 49.
Ezekiel 27
19Dan also and Javan going to and fro occupied in thy fairs: bright iron, cassia, and calamus, were in thy market.
Prophecy concerning Tyre, Dan a major trader with Tyre.
Ezekiel 48:,35
1Now these are the names of the tribes. From the north end to the coast of the way of Hethlon, as one goeth to Hamath, Hazarenan, the border of Damascus northward, to the coast of Hamath; for these are his sides east and west; a portion for Dan. 35It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.
Dan is given a portion during the millenial reign.
Ezekiel 48:31-33
32And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan.
Tribe of Dan occupies the eastern gate with Joseph and Benjamin.
Amos 8:13-15
13In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
14They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.
Prophecy of Amos mentions Dan as being the main cause for Isreal's sin of idolatry.
God Bless and hope this answers some questions.
I watched the World Cup with fascination .
20 years ago the stadia were bedecked with Christian placards ( e.g. John 3:16 )
I felt that this World Cup needed , or might provide , a message .
One Ghanaian player waved the Israel flag whenever Ghana scored .
I thought this was great ..............a foretaste of life when all goodness flows from Jerusalem .
Was this the only message ?
Surely not . The 2006 World Cup will be predominately remembered not for the Football , nor any clear messages , but for one bizarre act of violence in the final .
In the 111th minute of the World Cup Final , the most televised event in the World , the World's greatest footballer , ( who bears an alarming ressemblance to a Franciscan Monk ), did something generally condemned as an act of thuggery when he performed a flying headbutt on an opponent . In a way he acted like an enraged bull.........
What of it ?
I have said elsewhere that I believe the Tribe of Dan is connected to the Roman Empire ..and therefore the Catholic Church. I have given many reasons ......
( for instance the Danite flag was a gold eagle on a blue background - the Italian strip is gold numbers on blue ) .....
If you believe my reasoning , then an immediate correlation appears between the Whore on the Beast of Revelation and the prophesy of Genesis 49 and Dan .
At some point in the future .........the Babylonian Empire will throw off its rider , the Babylonian Church .
I.E. the European Empire will decouple from the Catholic Church .
I looked at Matterazzi pinching (( biting with his fingers )) Zidane's chest , and calling him a son of a Whore .
Was it , is it , too tenuous to see some prophetic significance , some link here ?
Were Matterazzi and Zinedine Zidane , the men with two Zeds in their names , playing out some end-time prophecy ? (( Two Zeds correlating to two Omegas .....))
Was Matterazzi the Italian , the Danite scion , showing us something else ?
Was there any significance in Zidane's bull-like ( Europa) charge ?
A few days later there was another outlandish occurance in Britain .
A jockey was thrown from his horse , and on landing , proceeded to heabutt his horse's nose !! It was headline News , and the papers branded it a 'Zidane-like' attack .
Like Zidane , the jockey was walking away , before he turned back to attack .
The horse was called City Affair ....the rider O'Neill .
Is it too tenuous to see the city as Rome .......the rider as the kneeling , the prayerful , the religious .
In short was it an amplification of Genesis 49 : 17 and Zidane's headbutt , the rider being thrown from his horse ?
And do all these things point to the imminent fulfilment of one of the Bible's great prophecies ?
20 years ago the stadia were bedecked with Christian placards ( e.g. John 3:16 )
I felt that this World Cup needed , or might provide , a message .
One Ghanaian player waved the Israel flag whenever Ghana scored .
I thought this was great ..............a foretaste of life when all goodness flows from Jerusalem .
Was this the only message ?
Surely not . The 2006 World Cup will be predominately remembered not for the Football , nor any clear messages , but for one bizarre act of violence in the final .
In the 111th minute of the World Cup Final , the most televised event in the World , the World's greatest footballer , ( who bears an alarming ressemblance to a Franciscan Monk ), did something generally condemned as an act of thuggery when he performed a flying headbutt on an opponent . In a way he acted like an enraged bull.........
What of it ?
I have said elsewhere that I believe the Tribe of Dan is connected to the Roman Empire ..and therefore the Catholic Church. I have given many reasons ......
( for instance the Danite flag was a gold eagle on a blue background - the Italian strip is gold numbers on blue ) .....
If you believe my reasoning , then an immediate correlation appears between the Whore on the Beast of Revelation and the prophesy of Genesis 49 and Dan .
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Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
At some point in the future .........the Babylonian Empire will throw off its rider , the Babylonian Church .
I.E. the European Empire will decouple from the Catholic Church .
I looked at Matterazzi pinching (( biting with his fingers )) Zidane's chest , and calling him a son of a Whore .
Was it , is it , too tenuous to see some prophetic significance , some link here ?
Were Matterazzi and Zinedine Zidane , the men with two Zeds in their names , playing out some end-time prophecy ? (( Two Zeds correlating to two Omegas .....))
Was Matterazzi the Italian , the Danite scion , showing us something else ?
Was there any significance in Zidane's bull-like ( Europa) charge ?
A few days later there was another outlandish occurance in Britain .
A jockey was thrown from his horse , and on landing , proceeded to heabutt his horse's nose !! It was headline News , and the papers branded it a 'Zidane-like' attack .
Like Zidane , the jockey was walking away , before he turned back to attack .
The horse was called City Affair ....the rider O'Neill .
Is it too tenuous to see the city as Rome .......the rider as the kneeling , the prayerful , the religious .
In short was it an amplification of Genesis 49 : 17 and Zidane's headbutt , the rider being thrown from his horse ?
And do all these things point to the imminent fulfilment of one of the Bible's great prophecies ?
Very interesting simplebaby... very interesting.
With out enough scriptural backing Marcus it would be dangerous to stay on that path for long.
I've had personal signs about Dan...but l'm not telling. It's too disturbing.
I've had personal signs about Dan...but l'm not telling. It's too disturbing.
Well we''ll watch and see.
The Pope has already thrown his hat into the ring on the Middle East conflict .
Solana has appeared at key times , speaking in his strange Hitleresque pitch .
A Summit has been held in Rome .........
On verra bien , as they say in France
The Pope has already thrown his hat into the ring on the Middle East conflict .
Solana has appeared at key times , speaking in his strange Hitleresque pitch .
A Summit has been held in Rome .........
On verra bien , as they say in France
Going back to scriptural backing ..........
its as much about history , archeology , linguistics , and such like .........
I am not disciplined in any of these , however ....
Paul goes to a place called Phenice in Crete ( Acts 27 )
That sounds very much like a derivitive of Phoenicia to me .
It would be no surprise , the mediteranean is a small bowl really .
( Incidentally , I think our Phoenix derives from the same source )
Who came from Phoenicia . Well the Phoenicians , but the tribe of Dan took a parcel of land there . Besides , there seems evidence , some biblical , that the original Phoenicians and the Danites and Assherites , worked co-operatively , particularly in the area of sea-faring .
But Phenice also sounds very much like Venice .
Its an elaborate puzzle , but you can't help seeing pieces which seem to fit comfortably with other pieces .
its as much about history , archeology , linguistics , and such like .........
I am not disciplined in any of these , however ....
Paul goes to a place called Phenice in Crete ( Acts 27 )
That sounds very much like a derivitive of Phoenicia to me .
It would be no surprise , the mediteranean is a small bowl really .
( Incidentally , I think our Phoenix derives from the same source )
Who came from Phoenicia . Well the Phoenicians , but the tribe of Dan took a parcel of land there . Besides , there seems evidence , some biblical , that the original Phoenicians and the Danites and Assherites , worked co-operatively , particularly in the area of sea-faring .
But Phenice also sounds very much like Venice .
Its an elaborate puzzle , but you can't help seeing pieces which seem to fit comfortably with other pieces .
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I was reading in Rev. about the 144,000 and then where it shows the different tribes and i was wondering ...where is the tribe of Dan? I have tried to do some research and it shows this has the "Lost tribe of Isreal"...just wonderingWhat I think is that the 12 tribes of Ishmael are lost; the lost 12 tribes.
The twelve tribes of Israel, the corporate name of Jacob, are described in Genesis 49. See #7 The tribe of DAN.
1. The tribe of Reuben. The firstborn of Jacob. 'Unstable as water, thou shall not excel; because thou went up to thy father's bed; then defiled thou it: he went up to my couch.'
2 & 3. Tribes of Simeon and Levi. 'O my soul, come not thou into their secret, unto their assembly, mine honor, be not thou united; for in their anger they slew a man, and in their self-will they digged down a wall. Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce.; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I wil divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.'
4. The tribe of Judah. 'The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until SHILOH (Messiah) come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.'
5. The tribe of Zebulun. 'Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for a haven of ships; and his border shall be unto Zidon.'
6. The tribe of Isaachar. 'Isaachar is a strong --- couching down between two burdens: And he saw that rest was good, and the land that it was pleasant; and bowed his shoulder to bear, and became a servant unto tribute.'
7. The tribe of DAN. 'Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horses heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.''
8. The tribe of Gad. 'A troop shall overcome him: but he shall overcome at the last.'
9. The tribe of Asher. 'Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties.'
10. The tribe of Naphtali. 'Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.'
11. Here is the meaning of the number 11. Pay close attention to this.
The tribe of Joseph.
Gen. 49:22-26 'Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough BY A WELL: whose branches run over the wall: the archers have sorely grieved him and shot at him and hated him: But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel;) Even by the God of thy father who shall help thee; and by the Almighty who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings OF THE DEEP THAT LIETH UNDER, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb: The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of him that was separate from his brethren.'
12. The tribe of Benjamin. 'Benjamin shall raven (be as ravenous) as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.'
The tribe of Gad is the only one that is overcome, but he comes back. Like the Cherokee people or the people of the South, you know, they say they will return or rise again. The Cherokee people described themselves as the lost tribe of Judah. Here is a note about the tribe of Judah:
Gen. 49:10 This verse probably means that Judah would maintain its identity as a people with an established government until the coming of Shiloh (or Christ?). In fact, Judah alone, of all the tribes of Israel, remained a distinct organized political unity until the Messiah came. However, it lost that position a short time later with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. This passage is not quoted in the New Testament with reference to Messianic prophesy.
Last night, on a radio program by Art Bell called 'Coast to Coast A.M.' there was a man who was talking about the Ark of the Covenant and where it was. He said that the people who had the ark called themselves 'people of the ark,' the people of Arkansas. The Cherokee nation.
I am a Cherokee, born in North Carolina; my mother was a Cherokee from Arkansas.
Thank God I am who I am.
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Descendants of Dan today appear to be concentrated in Ireland, Britain, the USA, and especially Denmark.”
It is said that Denmark means mark of Dan.
While yet in Egypt some of the tribe of Dan learned sailing as a profession and began to work in that trade then before the exodus. Some left Eqypt before then and settled in lands around the Mediteranian and even in the Phoenecian areas around the land of Israel before the exodus. It is believe by some that Rahab in Jerico was a Phoenecian and so it was ok to marry her and allow her into Christ blood line since she was remotely kindred perhaps through Dan.
Rahab is the stem in the root of Jesse before the stem of David was born.
You can follow this by looking at Paleo Hebrew which resembles our alphabet. The Greek and Roman alphabets are simliar and later on it was in these directions and in these alphabets that the Gospel would go to and travel through. To the places of Dan. Dan also went into China for today Dan is a city there and the first as well as last name of many Chinese.
Dan's blood entered into all of the world very early on and made the nations of the world all kindred to Israel. Hence this debunks the claims of British Israelitism that they are the only true descendants of Israel. This stuff about Denmark came later on in the ages under the Roman rule and is a fantasy the folk came to believe in later.
Now some of the Danites may even have came to the Americas in ancient times. We now know that the ancient Egyptian mariners came to the Olmec peoples here and traded.
Those of Dan that remained in Egypt came out with Moses and then with Joshua. These of Dan originaly settled in the area along the sea, west of Jerusalem but since Ephraim in the day of battle halted and would not help the other tribes secure their lots but only secured their own, Dan was not aided in driving out the inhabitants and so was squeezed. In time they came more into the area south of Jerusalem and into Bethlehem. Since Rachel was buried in Bethelehem in the north and the prophesy concerning her weeping for her children when Christ was born and the children of Bethlehem Judia was killed instead of Bethelehem Ephrata, Christ was born amid his household of Judah and Dan mixed. The blood lines of Dan who remained after the few hundred left and went to establish another area of Dan in the north at MT Hermon, were absorbed into the husehold of Judah and are also in Christ blood line. Also, Mary was related to the Levites and her cousin Elizabeth was a daughter of Aaron. Christ them by blood was King, Priest and Judge.
God told Moses to select a man from Judah and a man from Dan to build the tabernacle and these two became the Lion tribes and so the cherubim upon the ark were winged lion creatures and not wind human figures.
"Judah is a lion's whelp:..." Genesis 49:9
"¶And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan." Duet 33:22
This then is the household.
Those of Dan that left and went north came across a renegade Levite priest and a idol his Ephraimite master had made for him to be priest of. And so the men of Dan took the priest and idol north knowing these things were wrong things and set them up in Israel perhaps as to invoke judgement; so they could come back and bring in view the day Ephraim halted in battle. But because the folk feared the judgments that could come from Dan, no one ever brought up the matter and sought to question Dan since they might have suspected this was a ploy to get Ephraim in the arena of judgement. So this idol went standing unchecked. Hence this was to envoke judments with. But it never came into mind until the prophets mentioned the idol.
Remember that Dan was the first born to Rachel who was the one of promise to Jacob but Dan was born through Rachel's hand maid. Dan was technically the first born to Rachel but later Rachel conceived and Dan lost the status. But Dan is given a last day promise to be the Judge according to the end time prophecies of his father Jacob in Genesis 49. Those end time prophecies seldom mentioned by teachers of today.
There is allot more to come on this one particular subject.
Anyways there were two different tribal lots of Dan, on the West Bank and in the north. The West Bank portion was absorbed into Judah. The northern tribe was taken captive. Some have said that it was the northern tribe that started idolatry in Israel but scriptures tell us that it was the wives of Solomon who built up the groves with their idols. The idol taken by the men of Dan north was made by a man of Ephraim and ministered to by a renegade Levite priest? You now judge?
The Tribes were under orders to secure their lots and to aid the rest of the tribes in securing their lots when they entered the promise land. The mighty tribe of Ephraim of Joseph took their portion and haulted in the battle and would out help the rest of the tribes. They also took upon themselve the task of setting up a separate kingdom and had kings there in north Israel contrary to the word of Yawah. Yet, Yawah in His foreknowledge seen this ahead of time. Because of this, Ephraim's name is also, not mentioned in the 144000.
Today, Britain and a few other European nations claim they are Ephraim and that Ephraim is the other Lion tribe. And that because they have the bloodlines of Israel in them then they will be the Kings in the new Kingdom to come. A sort of thing claimed also by the Merivengian Dynasty. However it is not the blood of the names of the tribes that saves us but the name of the Lion of the tribe Judah and the blood of the Lamb. Our blood in us won't save us no matter what tribe that blood is from. Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of Yawah. {I am talking about British Israelitism. And Christian Identity. Some might think Dan is the antichrist but you might want to look up these folk and study them and the Ten Kings? Those who claim they are the remnant of the lost ten tribes claim they will be the kings in the kingdom of Yawah. This then is a false Israel, an anti Israel.} I think then that this will put things back in order and rid us of false claims and understandings. And so now, you judge these things?
As for now let us realize that we all here in the earth are the tribe of Dan. When the other tribes of Israel were dispersed into the earth, they only went out into the world and mixed their blood lines into the nations that Dan had already entered and mixed into. Blood found blood and mingled and so we are thus all kindred after the flesh somewheres in the past through our ancestors with the tribes of Israel, and no one has a monopoly on being more a descendant of Israel than another. And it matters not what nation one is in today, there is a line in the blood to Israel in us all. Allot of the Jews stayed behind in Babylon after Daniel's time and mixed into the Arab nations. And there is no such thing as a pure bred race or tribe. The Jews are not pure bred. And so, thoughts of racial purity are but the flesh working and not the work of the Spirit.
All of us Christians then, are the Danites, and we are they who will judge the world in the last day.
The tribal vesture of Dan is a tunic or vest of pure white dipped in red at the bottom and let bleed up into the vest upwards and is thus part red and part white. As in "he had on a vesture dipped in blood."
Now back to the 144000!
In Revelation 7 if you continue to read you will see that there is a great multitude of people that no man could number who came out of great tribulations. This is the mystery of Dan thats not mentioned in the previous verses about the 144000. Those who dipped their vestures or washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
How that we all in one way or another have the blood of the tribes in us regardless of the nation we are from today and again no one has a monopoly on that blood. Yet, the names of the fathers of the tribes of Israel will not save us nor will the remnants of their bloo in us save. Again, it is only by the name of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and by the blood of the Holy Lamb that anyone will be saved.
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
¶And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Rv 7:9~17
Keep track of the blood of the Lamb here in these propheices!
The following end time prophecy escapes people but consider it well.
"But go thou thy way (Daniel) till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days" Daniel 12:13
Rest? Then stand in thy lot at the end of the days? Dan? Daniel? The same name?
See this post by another member.
Dan
Rahab is the stem in the root of Jesse before the stem of David was born.
You can follow this by looking at Paleo Hebrew which resembles our alphabet. The Greek and Roman alphabets are simliar and later on it was in these directions and in these alphabets that the Gospel would go to and travel through. To the places of Dan. Dan also went into China for today Dan is a city there and the first as well as last name of many Chinese.
Dan's blood entered into all of the world very early on and made the nations of the world all kindred to Israel. Hence this debunks the claims of British Israelitism that they are the only true descendants of Israel. This stuff about Denmark came later on in the ages under the Roman rule and is a fantasy the folk came to believe in later.
Now some of the Danites may even have came to the Americas in ancient times. We now know that the ancient Egyptian mariners came to the Olmec peoples here and traded.
Those of Dan that remained in Egypt came out with Moses and then with Joshua. These of Dan originaly settled in the area along the sea, west of Jerusalem but since Ephraim in the day of battle halted and would not help the other tribes secure their lots but only secured their own, Dan was not aided in driving out the inhabitants and so was squeezed. In time they came more into the area south of Jerusalem and into Bethlehem. Since Rachel was buried in Bethelehem in the north and the prophesy concerning her weeping for her children when Christ was born and the children of Bethlehem Judia was killed instead of Bethelehem Ephrata, Christ was born amid his household of Judah and Dan mixed. The blood lines of Dan who remained after the few hundred left and went to establish another area of Dan in the north at MT Hermon, were absorbed into the husehold of Judah and are also in Christ blood line. Also, Mary was related to the Levites and her cousin Elizabeth was a daughter of Aaron. Christ them by blood was King, Priest and Judge.
God told Moses to select a man from Judah and a man from Dan to build the tabernacle and these two became the Lion tribes and so the cherubim upon the ark were winged lion creatures and not wind human figures.
"Judah is a lion's whelp:..." Genesis 49:9
"¶And of Dan he said, Dan is a lion's whelp: he shall leap from Bashan." Duet 33:22
This then is the household.
Those of Dan that left and went north came across a renegade Levite priest and a idol his Ephraimite master had made for him to be priest of. And so the men of Dan took the priest and idol north knowing these things were wrong things and set them up in Israel perhaps as to invoke judgement; so they could come back and bring in view the day Ephraim halted in battle. But because the folk feared the judgments that could come from Dan, no one ever brought up the matter and sought to question Dan since they might have suspected this was a ploy to get Ephraim in the arena of judgement. So this idol went standing unchecked. Hence this was to envoke judments with. But it never came into mind until the prophets mentioned the idol.
Remember that Dan was the first born to Rachel who was the one of promise to Jacob but Dan was born through Rachel's hand maid. Dan was technically the first born to Rachel but later Rachel conceived and Dan lost the status. But Dan is given a last day promise to be the Judge according to the end time prophecies of his father Jacob in Genesis 49. Those end time prophecies seldom mentioned by teachers of today.
There is allot more to come on this one particular subject.
Anyways there were two different tribal lots of Dan, on the West Bank and in the north. The West Bank portion was absorbed into Judah. The northern tribe was taken captive. Some have said that it was the northern tribe that started idolatry in Israel but scriptures tell us that it was the wives of Solomon who built up the groves with their idols. The idol taken by the men of Dan north was made by a man of Ephraim and ministered to by a renegade Levite priest? You now judge?
The Tribes were under orders to secure their lots and to aid the rest of the tribes in securing their lots when they entered the promise land. The mighty tribe of Ephraim of Joseph took their portion and haulted in the battle and would out help the rest of the tribes. They also took upon themselve the task of setting up a separate kingdom and had kings there in north Israel contrary to the word of Yawah. Yet, Yawah in His foreknowledge seen this ahead of time. Because of this, Ephraim's name is also, not mentioned in the 144000.
Today, Britain and a few other European nations claim they are Ephraim and that Ephraim is the other Lion tribe. And that because they have the bloodlines of Israel in them then they will be the Kings in the new Kingdom to come. A sort of thing claimed also by the Merivengian Dynasty. However it is not the blood of the names of the tribes that saves us but the name of the Lion of the tribe Judah and the blood of the Lamb. Our blood in us won't save us no matter what tribe that blood is from. Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of Yawah. {I am talking about British Israelitism. And Christian Identity. Some might think Dan is the antichrist but you might want to look up these folk and study them and the Ten Kings? Those who claim they are the remnant of the lost ten tribes claim they will be the kings in the kingdom of Yawah. This then is a false Israel, an anti Israel.} I think then that this will put things back in order and rid us of false claims and understandings. And so now, you judge these things?
As for now let us realize that we all here in the earth are the tribe of Dan. When the other tribes of Israel were dispersed into the earth, they only went out into the world and mixed their blood lines into the nations that Dan had already entered and mixed into. Blood found blood and mingled and so we are thus all kindred after the flesh somewheres in the past through our ancestors with the tribes of Israel, and no one has a monopoly on being more a descendant of Israel than another. And it matters not what nation one is in today, there is a line in the blood to Israel in us all. Allot of the Jews stayed behind in Babylon after Daniel's time and mixed into the Arab nations. And there is no such thing as a pure bred race or tribe. The Jews are not pure bred. And so, thoughts of racial purity are but the flesh working and not the work of the Spirit.
All of us Christians then, are the Danites, and we are they who will judge the world in the last day.
The tribal vesture of Dan is a tunic or vest of pure white dipped in red at the bottom and let bleed up into the vest upwards and is thus part red and part white. As in "he had on a vesture dipped in blood."
Now back to the 144000!
In Revelation 7 if you continue to read you will see that there is a great multitude of people that no man could number who came out of great tribulations. This is the mystery of Dan thats not mentioned in the previous verses about the 144000. Those who dipped their vestures or washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
How that we all in one way or another have the blood of the tribes in us regardless of the nation we are from today and again no one has a monopoly on that blood. Yet, the names of the fathers of the tribes of Israel will not save us nor will the remnants of their bloo in us save. Again, it is only by the name of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah and by the blood of the Holy Lamb that anyone will be saved.
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
¶And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Rv 7:9~17
Keep track of the blood of the Lamb here in these propheices!
The following end time prophecy escapes people but consider it well.
"But go thou thy way (Daniel) till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days" Daniel 12:13
Rest? Then stand in thy lot at the end of the days? Dan? Daniel? The same name?
See this post by another member.
Dan
H1840
דּנאל דניּאל
dânîyê'l dâni'êl
daw-nee-yale', daw-nee-ale'
From H1835 and H410; judge of God; Daniel or Danijel, the name of two Israelites: - Daniel.
H1835
דּן
dân
dawn
From H1777; judge; Dan, one of the sons of Jacob; also the tribe descended from him, and its territory; likewise a place in Palestine colonized by them: - Dan.
H410
אל
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”
Daniel is the man, Dan is the tribe.
. The tribe of DAN. 'Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horses heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.''
דּנאל דניּאל
dânîyê'l dâni'êl
daw-nee-yale', daw-nee-ale'
From H1835 and H410; judge of God; Daniel or Danijel, the name of two Israelites: - Daniel.
H1835
דּן
dân
dawn
From H1777; judge; Dan, one of the sons of Jacob; also the tribe descended from him, and its territory; likewise a place in Palestine colonized by them: - Dan.
H410
אל
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”
Daniel is the man, Dan is the tribe.
. The tribe of DAN. 'Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horses heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord.''
Daniel is the man, Dan is the tribe, and Dan is a shortcut of Daniel.
Daniel is the judge of the Mighty One.
Thanks Gregg
I mentioned how that Dan originally was to settle on the West Bank region and this was meant to be since they could thus be close to the sea and have a port for their long lost sailors who left during the times in Egypt. The main settlement there is Jopha, Joffa and or Joppa. This was the peoples of the gateway to the sea.
They were squeezed in by the unremoved former inhabitants and were not aided by their brethren of the other tribes. It seemed the other tribes were not going to aid Dan since there was sort of an omen like prophecy that Dan would judge the tribes one day. Now Dan was moving more inwards into Judea to get away from the squeeze and eventually made it over into Bethlehem of Judea. This is why it was prophesied that "Rachel was weeping for her children for they are not" because the only children she had in Bethlehem was the descendants of Dan.
Now in the squeezing here some men of Dan decided to leave and go north and started the city of Dan in the north. But not all Danites went north. Most of them stayed and became Judeans or Jews.
There was a Jew who also was part Danite who was a queen in the linage of Judah and her name was Johoidan. In the history of Judea the Danites who remained in Judea married into Judah and thus was absorbed into Judah.
Since Christ Judean ancestry contained blood lines of David, Dan and Levi since Mary's family, perhaps on her mother's side was Levite, (study her cousin Elizabeth) Christ then had to be born in His household of David, Levi and Dan and so, fate led Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem (House of The Mighty One's bread) to be born amidst His brethren. Remember also that Christ cousin John the Baptist was born to a Levite. In this way, Christ was not only King but Priest and Judge.
History tells us that they believed Danites sailors out of Egypt settled in with the Phoenicians and that it was believed that in Rahab that blood entered in there and is thus the stem in the root of Jesse before the stem of David. This stem is to later be a Branch that is in Christ but to come in the last days. Remember that all things are fulfilled in Christ in later day prophecies. (See Zechariah)
Bethlehem was a city of David and the city of the Levites who baked the bread. This is where David went for refuge in the house of the Levites.
"¶And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." Revelation 14:1~3
We are in the Body of Christ and so we stand in Christ and we make up His body here in the earth. We are in the Lamb and not outside the Lamb in the 144,000. The 144,000 surrounds us and we do not stand without them and surround them. Hence the great multitude no man can number out of every kindred, nation tongue and tribe of people who wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb and make them white are then in the Lamb and not without. The great multitude no man can number became the Saints and the Holy People and are greater than the 144,000. The blood of the lost tribes is in the Lamb also. In the Lamb, more are redeemed and saved than they who in the 144,000.
We are in the center and not without! We are in the Temple and not outside in the tribes who are the 144,000!
How can a great multitude that no man can number come out of the tribulations of this world? I do not know and all I have to know is that Yawah will do it exactly according to His word when its time and so there will be no such thing as a remnant in the very end but a great multitude. It is the word of Yawah. Yawah who some know also as Yahweh.
And so, if you do not know His name and are using names from the Goths such as Godt then you might be worshiping the god of forces and not know it. Godt, Gott, Godd = Gothic sun deity = Ra = Bel = Baal = Horice = Osiris
Our deities name is Yahweh as in Jehovah, Yahowah, Yawah, YHWH (YHWH = Yawah). Write the Father's name upon you! And be in Christ and not standing about without!
We are now to go forwards into the future towards New Jerusalem and not be looking at the old city here on earth that is waxed old and now corrupt. We are to be learning from our mistakes and to grow in knowledge, understanding and power as we move forwards. We are always moving into new things and new knowledge which is to come in Christ and it is His will that we become more than we merely are with time. Yet, we are to also remember the past and to learn from the past and from all of the scriptures and to also remember that those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. We are to keep open the paths of old for our guidance and to hear the patriarchs and the prophets of old who obtained prophetic knowledge to guide us all through time. As we go towards that city that Abraham saw afar off.
Daniel is the judge of the Mighty One.
Thanks Gregg
I mentioned how that Dan originally was to settle on the West Bank region and this was meant to be since they could thus be close to the sea and have a port for their long lost sailors who left during the times in Egypt. The main settlement there is Jopha, Joffa and or Joppa. This was the peoples of the gateway to the sea.
They were squeezed in by the unremoved former inhabitants and were not aided by their brethren of the other tribes. It seemed the other tribes were not going to aid Dan since there was sort of an omen like prophecy that Dan would judge the tribes one day. Now Dan was moving more inwards into Judea to get away from the squeeze and eventually made it over into Bethlehem of Judea. This is why it was prophesied that "Rachel was weeping for her children for they are not" because the only children she had in Bethlehem was the descendants of Dan.
Now in the squeezing here some men of Dan decided to leave and go north and started the city of Dan in the north. But not all Danites went north. Most of them stayed and became Judeans or Jews.
There was a Jew who also was part Danite who was a queen in the linage of Judah and her name was Johoidan. In the history of Judea the Danites who remained in Judea married into Judah and thus was absorbed into Judah.
Since Christ Judean ancestry contained blood lines of David, Dan and Levi since Mary's family, perhaps on her mother's side was Levite, (study her cousin Elizabeth) Christ then had to be born in His household of David, Levi and Dan and so, fate led Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem (House of The Mighty One's bread) to be born amidst His brethren. Remember also that Christ cousin John the Baptist was born to a Levite. In this way, Christ was not only King but Priest and Judge.
History tells us that they believed Danites sailors out of Egypt settled in with the Phoenicians and that it was believed that in Rahab that blood entered in there and is thus the stem in the root of Jesse before the stem of David. This stem is to later be a Branch that is in Christ but to come in the last days. Remember that all things are fulfilled in Christ in later day prophecies. (See Zechariah)
Bethlehem was a city of David and the city of the Levites who baked the bread. This is where David went for refuge in the house of the Levites.
"¶And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." Revelation 14:1~3
We are in the Body of Christ and so we stand in Christ and we make up His body here in the earth. We are in the Lamb and not outside the Lamb in the 144,000. The 144,000 surrounds us and we do not stand without them and surround them. Hence the great multitude no man can number out of every kindred, nation tongue and tribe of people who wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb and make them white are then in the Lamb and not without. The great multitude no man can number became the Saints and the Holy People and are greater than the 144,000. The blood of the lost tribes is in the Lamb also. In the Lamb, more are redeemed and saved than they who in the 144,000.
We are in the center and not without! We are in the Temple and not outside in the tribes who are the 144,000!
How can a great multitude that no man can number come out of the tribulations of this world? I do not know and all I have to know is that Yawah will do it exactly according to His word when its time and so there will be no such thing as a remnant in the very end but a great multitude. It is the word of Yawah. Yawah who some know also as Yahweh.
And so, if you do not know His name and are using names from the Goths such as Godt then you might be worshiping the god of forces and not know it. Godt, Gott, Godd = Gothic sun deity = Ra = Bel = Baal = Horice = Osiris
Our deities name is Yahweh as in Jehovah, Yahowah, Yawah, YHWH (YHWH = Yawah). Write the Father's name upon you! And be in Christ and not standing about without!
We are now to go forwards into the future towards New Jerusalem and not be looking at the old city here on earth that is waxed old and now corrupt. We are to be learning from our mistakes and to grow in knowledge, understanding and power as we move forwards. We are always moving into new things and new knowledge which is to come in Christ and it is His will that we become more than we merely are with time. Yet, we are to also remember the past and to learn from the past and from all of the scriptures and to also remember that those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. We are to keep open the paths of old for our guidance and to hear the patriarchs and the prophets of old who obtained prophetic knowledge to guide us all through time. As we go towards that city that Abraham saw afar off.
QUOTE(aforgivenbell @ Jul 15 2006, 04:40 PM) [snapback]72677[/snapback]
I was reading in Rev. about the 144,000 and then where it shows the different tribes and i was wondering ...where is the tribe of Dan? I have tried to do some research and it shows this has the "Lost tribe of Isreal"...just wonderingIt was messed up during translation. The tribe of Levi who are Priests to the Lord should have been left out and the tribe of Dan left in. There is also no tribe of Joseph the tribe of Joseph is the tribe of Ephraim. All of the twelve thousand each representing the twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7 will be Priests to the Lord, so there is no need for Levi priests because they will all be Levi priests according to the Spirit.
Charlie
QUOTE(charlie @ Nov 24 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]93119[/snapback]
QUOTE(aforgivenbell @ Jul 15 2006, 04:40 PM) [snapback]72677[/snapback]
I was reading in Rev. about the 144,000 and then where it shows the different tribes and i was wondering ...where is the tribe of Dan? I have tried to do some research and it shows this has the "Lost tribe of Isreal"...just wonderingIt was messed up during translation. The tribe of Levi who are Priests to the Lord should have been left out and the tribe of Dan left in. There is also no tribe of Joseph the tribe of Joseph is the tribe of Ephraim. All of the twelve thousand each representing the twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7 will be Priests to the Lord, so there is no need for Levi priests because they will all be Levi priests according to the Spirit.
Charlie
Charlie, where is the mess up? are you seriously kidding me?
If you look in thre old testament, the 12 tribes, as recorded thru the prophets wsa NOT UNIFORM! Some added, some taken out.....
The tribe of Dan represents the judgement that comes upon God's people.... In fact, it wsa within the tribe of Dan that Samson came out from, one of the judges. Judah did not go into the land of the phillistines to take it over so God released the promise of that particular land in the middle east and allowed the phillistines to remain.. Today, the land the jews fight over as theirs was in fact, NEVER inhabited by jews or any of Israel! NONE! YEt, they claim it is their land becasue they lived there first. NEVER happened, it was phillistine land htat was given up. The tribe of Dan wsa caled such because they were to be the judge of God's people.... In the book of REvelation, those redeemed no longer require judgement so DAn is not present since judgement has already passed.
The tribe of Joseph is split up between Joseph and Manasseh.... it was common to identify Joseph sa Ephraim.
it is amazing that when the bible doesn't identify your theology as you expect it, rahter than go to prayer, you say, it was a mistranslation since it can't be right. Please find some manuscript evidence in the hands of orthodox christianity of the first century or later that have a diffeent name.
Now, levi priests according to the spirit? AGAIN, are you seriously KIDDING ME? WE are NOT levitical priests according to the spirit, 9whatever you think that suppossed to mean), when we are a royal priesthood unde the order of melkisidek, not chosen by race or geneology but by the grace and will of God.
the levites were MANY TIMES identified as a seperate tribe in the old testament and this is reflected in the OT. Joseph's tribe was split into two, (his two children Manasseh and Ephraim). WE know there were more than 12 tribes and depending, cetain ones were left out in the counting and others considered thruout biblical history....
Charlie, your protestant tradition (historicist or otherwise) is not answering your questions becasue it is built on false assumptions. You need to rethink. selah
QUOTE(charlie @ Nov 24 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]93119[/snapback]
QUOTE(aforgivenbell @ Jul 15 2006, 04:40 PM) [snapback]72677[/snapback]
I was reading in Rev. about the 144,000 and then where it shows the different tribes and i was wondering ...where is the tribe of Dan? I have tried to do some research and it shows this has the "Lost tribe of Isreal"...just wonderingIt was messed up during translation. The tribe of Levi who are Priests to the Lord should have been left out and the tribe of Dan left in. There is also no tribe of Joseph the tribe of Joseph is the tribe of Ephraim. All of the twelve thousand each representing the twelve tribes of Israel in Revelation 7 will be Priests to the Lord, so there is no need for Levi priests because they will all be Levi priests according to the Spirit.
Charlie
What a bunch of hogwash!
That's saying we can not trust God's word as infallible. You are changing the list into what YOU think it should be because it deosn't fit YOUR theology. In fact, I think there is a warning regarding this in the book of Revelation for adding or taking away words.
I did a search through my favourite website, and found this on Dan.
I will quote a bit, but for those who find it interesting, I give the link, so you can read the whole thing, as it is rather long.
Judas is a spiritual father of a vast body of people today that will walk as he walked in the falling away and betrayal of the body of Christ. Judas walked in the steps of his spiritual father Dan, the serpent, who was also one of the twelve patriarchs who fell away (Gen.49:6,17). Therefore if we study Judas we will see who his spiritual counterparts are in our day.
(1 Cor.10:11) Now these things happened unto them (Israel) by way of example (Greek: figure or type); and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.
Let’s look at our type so we can see what will happen in the “end of the ages” to the church. The children of Israel ate the lamb (Jesus), the death angel passed over (Delivered from the curse - Gal.3:13), and they crossed the Red Sea (Baptism - 1 Cor.10:2) where the Egyptians (Old man) were buried, and Israel (The born again man) came up out of the water and went into the wilderness (Tribulation - Rev.12:6; 17:3). A “mixed multitude went up also with them” (Ex.12:38). The mixed multitude was part Egyptian (the old man) and part Israelite (the born again man).
(Num.11:4) And the mixed multitude that was among them lusted exceedingly: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat? (6) but now our soul is dried away; there is nothing at all save this manna to look upon.
These half-Christians lusted after the flesh and even tempted the true Christians. They hated the manna. The transliterated word manna is literally in Hebrew man in Exo.16:31. Guess who the man that they hated to eat was. You got it! Jesus is the bread of heaven, the Word of God that we must eat to have life (Jn.6: 51). This angered God who said He would give them flesh in verse (20). . until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you; because that ye have rejected the Lord (manna) who is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt? Paraphrased, this says, “Why did we ever get saved? Rom.8:13 says, “if ye live after the flesh ye must die”.
(Num.11:33) While the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the anger of Jehovah was kindled against the people, and Jehovah smote the people with a very great plague. 34 And the name of that place was called Kibrothhattaavah, because there they buried the people that lusted.
The wilderness tribulation that was meant to give life brought death to those who followed after the flesh and so it will in the coming days. Those who according to the type fell away and spiritually died as sons of perdition, came out of their midst. We have these lukewarm people among us now but they will be spewed out of the body (Rev.3: 16) just as Judas came out of the early body of the twelve disciples and Dan is no longer listed among the twelve tribes (Rev.7: 4-8). Those that were left were sanctified from the man of sin that was in their midst and ready to go to the Promised Land.
you can read the whole article here: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm14.htm
I will quote a bit, but for those who find it interesting, I give the link, so you can read the whole thing, as it is rather long.
Judas is a spiritual father of a vast body of people today that will walk as he walked in the falling away and betrayal of the body of Christ. Judas walked in the steps of his spiritual father Dan, the serpent, who was also one of the twelve patriarchs who fell away (Gen.49:6,17). Therefore if we study Judas we will see who his spiritual counterparts are in our day.
(1 Cor.10:11) Now these things happened unto them (Israel) by way of example (Greek: figure or type); and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.
Let’s look at our type so we can see what will happen in the “end of the ages” to the church. The children of Israel ate the lamb (Jesus), the death angel passed over (Delivered from the curse - Gal.3:13), and they crossed the Red Sea (Baptism - 1 Cor.10:2) where the Egyptians (Old man) were buried, and Israel (The born again man) came up out of the water and went into the wilderness (Tribulation - Rev.12:6; 17:3). A “mixed multitude went up also with them” (Ex.12:38). The mixed multitude was part Egyptian (the old man) and part Israelite (the born again man).
(Num.11:4) And the mixed multitude that was among them lusted exceedingly: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat? (6) but now our soul is dried away; there is nothing at all save this manna to look upon.
These half-Christians lusted after the flesh and even tempted the true Christians. They hated the manna. The transliterated word manna is literally in Hebrew man in Exo.16:31. Guess who the man that they hated to eat was. You got it! Jesus is the bread of heaven, the Word of God that we must eat to have life (Jn.6: 51). This angered God who said He would give them flesh in verse (20). . until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you; because that ye have rejected the Lord (manna) who is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt? Paraphrased, this says, “Why did we ever get saved? Rom.8:13 says, “if ye live after the flesh ye must die”.
(Num.11:33) While the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the anger of Jehovah was kindled against the people, and Jehovah smote the people with a very great plague. 34 And the name of that place was called Kibrothhattaavah, because there they buried the people that lusted.
The wilderness tribulation that was meant to give life brought death to those who followed after the flesh and so it will in the coming days. Those who according to the type fell away and spiritually died as sons of perdition, came out of their midst. We have these lukewarm people among us now but they will be spewed out of the body (Rev.3: 16) just as Judas came out of the early body of the twelve disciples and Dan is no longer listed among the twelve tribes (Rev.7: 4-8). Those that were left were sanctified from the man of sin that was in their midst and ready to go to the Promised Land.
you can read the whole article here: http://www.americaslastdays.com/hm14.htm
QUOTE(Daniel Jackson @ Oct 4 2006, 03:11 AM) [snapback]86428[/snapback]
Today, Britain and a few other European nations claim they are Ephraim and that Ephraim is the other Lion tribe. And that because they have the bloodlines of Israel in them then they will be the Kings in the new Kingdom to come.
Hi Daniel Jackson,
I enjoyed your essay very much, and wish that you and I had a back porch to sit upon and talk in depth.
I would not however, dismiss the British-Israelism concept quite so quickly (I use the term loosely for want of a better one).
I might begin by rejecting the "replacement" theory and Arayan supremacy concepts that have attached themselves to this subject.
I would also add that I do not accept any of it as "true in fact", in that it cannot be proven (I have tried)- The record is not there. However it is also true that the Roman Church did go to great length to wipe out that record and install St. Patrick as the patron over Ireland, albeit for their own devices (I do not believe their actions were malicious toward this particular record per se).
It is the structures within it which interest me, those things that point toward the prophecy, and explain many things which remain otherwise unfulfilled in the literal sense.
I do believe the 10 lost tribes do play an integral part in the establishment and transmission of a "New Covenant" as the prophecies point to. I also believe that God is sure to keep the promises and blessings throughout all generations as He said.
I also assert that while the Prophecy is couched in symbolism, we will find that in the end, God will have fulfilled it quite literally to a "t", rather than ethereally. After all, He has the father of all lawyers contending against him...
. Hence my rejection of replacement theories, as well as dispensationalism.In no way do I suppose that these things impinge upon the Blood of Christ, which is the ONLY blood that matters, nor do I assert any special preference for the nations involved... If anything, it is an humbling and imposing responsibility which we are currently failing to live up to (if true). It does bear on the end times though, and is at least as valid as other theories that are out there (with more founding in the prophecy than the Illuminati, as an instance).
I do have a decent link which describes these things quite well, but I am loathe to post it as many might find it objectionable- realizing full well that the entire matter is in disrepute, due to the many bastardizations which have come from it (the concept, not the site).
I would be very interested in the opinion of any Messianic or Christian Jews on the board regarding the subject of the 10 lost tribes. It has been inferred to me that a remnant is returned from each of them according to the Jewish tradition, and that there are Israelites who claim blood back to all of the tribes...
I would contend with you on the matter of the British Throne claiming the Blood of Christ. It's establishment is in fact as a regency under Christ. It fully recognizes that it's claim is not as strong as Christ's and they rule in His stead. Their claim is to be of David, descendant though the lines of the Scottish and Irish kings to the daughter of Zedekiah (Tea Tephi), and to the Zarah line of Judah in relation to the Irish kings' descent from Dan (by marriage into Dan somehow).
I do disagree with the idea that Christ's Throne is to be founded in Britain, as is the claim.
This is quite different from the Marovingian claim, where they assert direct descent from Christ by Mary Magdalene. They claim the throne of Christ.
There is also the Ethiopian kingship, which claims descent to Solomon, thereby David, through Sheba. While they have made no statement as such, they are a Christian nation and they would no doubt defer their thone to Christ. Ethiopian history also claims a line of priests descendant from Aaron as well, which is interesting too.
Your consideration of Dan is well founded, though I would not go so far as to say he is migrated into all nations (though he may well have by now)- There is good evidence that Dan founded Greece, Rome, and Spain... as well as the evidence from the British Isles.
-Bruce
Numbers 1
47 But the Levites were not numbered among them by their fathers' tribe;
48 for the Lord had spoken to Moses, saying:
49 "Only the tribe of Levi you shall not number, nor take a census of them among the children of Israel;
The twelve tribes of Israel who were given an inheritance.
The tribe of Reuben
The tribe of Simeon
The tribe of Gad
The tribe of Judah
The tribe of Issachar
The tribe of Zebulun
The tribe of Ephraim
The tribe of Manasseh
The tribe of Benjamin
The tribe of Dan
The tribe of Asher
The tribe of Naphtali
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