All consept of sin and morality has been taught by GOD to all people down through the ages. Sure most pervert it in one way or another. But the consept of right and wrong was the LORDS idea. This is where all of the Laws of every nation and their inforcement agencies originated from. These are also those who restrain. Who are mentioned in 2Th 2:7. The inforcement agencies and policeing agencies of the world will be taken out of the way by the LORDS design. Then when there is no one to inforce any laws everyone will run amuk. They will be taken out of the way by the LORD'S two witnesses removing the rain and water from the earth for three and a half years.

Here are the scriptures.

2Th 2:3
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

1 Peter 2:13-25
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

Ho 4:2
By swearing and lying, Killing and stealing and committing adultery, They break all restraint, With bloodshed upon bloodshed.

Re 11:6
These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire


By faith in HIM alone
a son of man

So who is the lawless one?

2Th 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

2Th 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Here are some of the things they do in the name of the LORD after the LORD takes away the whole supply of bread and the whole supply of water from the planet.

La 4:10
The hands of the compassionate women Have cooked their own children; They became food for them In the destruction of the daughter of my people.

Isaiah 9
19 Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts The land is burned up, And the people shall be as fuel for the fire; No man shall spare his brother. 20 And he shall snatch on the right hand And be hungry; He shall devour on the left hand And not be satisfied; Every man shall eat the flesh of his own arm.

Jer 19:9
And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his friend in the siege and in the desperation with which their enemies and those who seek their lives shall drive them to despair."



By faith in HIM alone
a son of man

This is the abomination of desolation. They will sight scriptures like.

Joh 6:53
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.

They will say that CHRIST told us to do this. Then because there is no food or water on earth for those who have no faith. The faithless will buy into their lies and seal themselves to destruction by taking part in this abomination.



By faith in HIM alone
a son of man

the lawless one is that man of sin, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

THE 5 I wills of Satan:

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart,

1. I will ascend into heaven,
2. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
3. I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14
4. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
5. I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Joh 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Amen

Two times in History we see His True Virgin Fold 'REJECTING CHRIST'.

Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 finds the END of the O.T.'s rejection of Christ for His True Ex/Virgin Fold. (church) Both were to have a MIDNIGHT CRY before this 70AD time came around. (total destruction's LOUD CRY) And both Christ & Paul documented that this 'last time' it would not be 39 years in the future, but CUT SHORT IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. And both times has the House of God judged First! 1 Peter 4:17! 666 follows shortly after this SHAKING, which is their 'Midnight Cry' with its separating of the True Virgin fold from the wheat, and leaving the tares still yoked together in the Christ/less fold, as it did old Israel with their fold door being 'SHUT'. (Matt. 25) Check Rev. 3:9 for who took over Christ's departure both times & what their outcome is & was! But most importantly, notice who it was that replaced the Christ/less fold.

Ezek.9
[1] He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. (And today, who is it that likes loud voices? But this was at both of their Ending's)
[2] And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar. (This is the Godhead's 'strange' work, these angels are sent to finish the abomination that they brought upon their/self. See Luke 12:47-48)
[3] And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And He called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
[4] And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.(Notice that these are the ONLY ONES THAT ARE SAVED AND SPARED! And what is it that you hear today? don't judge! don't rock the boat! and we need just unity & the love preached to us!! the wheat & the tares grow together! even OPEN FLAGRANT SINNERS, huh! )
[5] And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:[/size] [size="3"](This is a God of Rightous Judgement, who has had the Gen. 6:3's STRIVING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT on all of these ones who refuse to be corrected, even way past Noah's time of 120 years of preaching with the Holy Spirits's Striving) and their fate is certain, & their warning has been given over & over again. See Obad. 1:16)
[6] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.(Begin at My Sanctuary! See again 1 Peter 4:17. And note who were the ones executed first? The older ones of Leadership! Compare Luke 12:47-48)
[7] And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
[8] And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
[9] Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not. OK: This is Christ's True Virgin Fold. (not the Rev. 17:5 bunch even) But ask yourself this question, how do they look to me, they had beautiful churchs (Sanctuary) along with the best of educated folk! They were tithe payers, along with even keeping the real 7th Day Sabbath Commandment. Surely they were mostly all well dressed and VERY pleasant to be around? Now, why did God execute them??? And you? what is it about you that is any different?
[10] And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.
[11] And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me. Read again Obadiah 1:16

---Elijah

the lawless one is the son of perdition


WHO is the son of perdition? and why believe anything but the bible?

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

JUDAS IS THE SON OF PERDITION- so obviously there is more judas's in the body

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


So what is our example of how we have already seen a son of perdition fall away and be revealed?

the falling away of judas-

Jhn 13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon. Jhn 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. Jhn 13:30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night


the revealing of judas as the son of perdition after his falling away-

Mat 26:48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast. Luk 22:47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him. Luk 22:48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?


why was judas the devil? why was he as these in the end will be making themselves as God? because when you put yourSELF above God, that is what you are doing and saying. You do not have to physically say " i am god" you only need to live like you are your own god.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


So he will sit in the temple of God, what is the temple of God?

1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


So did judas, the first son of perdition also sit in the temple of God/? Did he sit amoungst the body of Christ and make himself God? remaining a thief and following his belly? yes he did.

Yes, the lawless one is the son of perdition. No, the son of perdition is NOT Judas. You are reading that into the verse....it isn't written. There is only one and he will be revealed. Do you believe that will be Judas standing there?





Actually....no he didn't. God knows His children. He knows who is and is not one of His sheep, whether they pretend to be or not. Satan entered Judas and Satan departed from Judas. Judas was not the son of perdition. Again....there is only one son of perdition. Christ did not say....sons (plural) of perdition.

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

All souls belong to God...all souls and that would include Judas.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

So, all that were given to Him were kept but the son of perdition.

Judas, which also means....Judah, is a type of the "house of Judah" not a type of Satan. Satan entered Judas as it entered the house of Judah. Judas repented as the house of Judah will repent. The son of perdition will not repent.

Judas was not the "son of perdition" for sure. This entity is the first beast of Revelation, the angelic king of the abyss [Revelation 9:11, 17:8] .... he is Satan's "antichrist" and he will be revealed at the time of the end of this present age. The Lord will remove His restraint and allow Satan to bring forth this entity out of the abyss. Perdition means "destruction" and the beast's name means the same. He is the destroying [Abaddon-Apollyon = destroyer] angelic king of the abyss. His final destiny is also a reflection of destruction .... his own .... in the lake of fire. He will go to his own destruction [Revelation 17:11] He is not human, but will manifest [possess] in the little horn of Daniel, the human king of the northern Middle East. When this occurs he will become the 8th king himself. This beast has existed since the beginning of creation and he also rules over the 7 dominions [heads .... kingdoms and the related human king positions] for Satan recorded in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets. Five of these ancient human kingdoms were all Middle Eastern and are historical today. He has two more sequential Middle Eastern kingdoms that he will rule during the time of the end when he is released from the abyss,

well clearly Jesus in His prayer in john is calling JUDAS the son of perdition, as judas was the only one lost so that the scriptures could be fulfilled, even peter said this of judas, that it was so the scriptures would be fulfilled. Furthermore, in Jesus day, it was soley judas but in the thess chapter it is more than one person. They are called singular at first as in " son"of perdition and then a few verses later they are called THEY and THEM


2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness


do deny that it was judas in john who was lost is serious error that must only be done to avoid the true meaning of the 2thess. chapter.

It is much more convient to make up who this person is then to see who the scriptures say it is and see when that exact same name was used before.

these people sit amoungst the temple of God- believers- and make themselves god, they will however be revealed after the falling away when they begin to turn us in and depart from us.

Any human who denies the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is technically a "son of perdition". All of these will receive the second death .... the destruction of their spirits. Judas was one of these and so are multitudes. The focus on the son of perdition of Revelation's account is Satan's beast from the abyss. He will go to his destruction .... so will Satan.

I must disagree. Christ is not calling Judas the son of perdition. Only one entity has already been condemned to perdition....that isn't Judas. The condemned one is the lost one. In Thessalonians it is more than one because that does not in any way refer to the son of perdition. It refers to those that believe a lie...those that will believe the fake is our Saviour. There are many of them but they are not the....son of perdition.

The scripture in that Book that does refer to the man of sin, son of perdition is:

11 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That isn't Judas. There is only one that will do that.





Judas has NOTHING to do with Thessalonians. It isn't necessary for anyone to "make up" who is being spoken of. It is obvious. The son of perdition is Satan. Do we have his children running around doing his bidding? Yes, we do but they are not The Son of Perdition. They still have a chance at redemption but he does not.

Jhn 17:6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.


Jhn 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.


Jhn 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Jhn 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Jhn 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].


Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jhn 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.


Jhn 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Jhn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


Jhn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


Jhn 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

Act 1:16 Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.


Act 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.


Act 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.


Act 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.


Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take

Those scriptures are about Judas. Those scriptures do not say he is the son of perdition. The son of perdition, Satan, entered Judas but he also left Judas and Judas repented and threw the money down. He is NOT the son of perdition. There is only one.

satan is not the son of perdition, itis clear the entire context of john 17 is about those people who God gave to Jesus and how only ONE of THEM was lost. satan was not a person that God gave to Jesus with the other disciples.

Satan and Abaddon-Apollyon are both angelic "sons" of perdition [destruction] noted in scripture. Technically, any human who is against Jesus Christ is a "son" of perdition. Judas and the little horn of Daniel are noted examples given in scripture.

All souls belong to God. All souls are given to Christ and that would include Judas and Satan.

Perdition # 684 apoleia: ruin or loss (phys. spiritual or eternal) - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, x perish, pernicious ways, waste.

The word "apoleia" is Apollyon. It means destroyer, angel of the bottomless pit.

Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

That isn't Judas! Satan is the only named one that has been condemned to eternal damnation...the fallen angels too but they aren't named.

True, and Abaddon-Apollyon is the beast from the abyss who will go to perdition, his own destruction. He is a "son" of perdition for sure [Revelation 9:11, 11:7,17:8] He is also Satan's minic .... the "antichrist" who will become a human and will appear to humans as the little horn of Daniel's visions. The little horn, human king of the north will obviously also be a "son" of perdition. His fate of destruction will be the same .... the lake of fire.