The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas

What is the Mark of the Beast? If it were to happen today could you identify it? If you could identify it what good would it do? Would the knowledge of the Mark make a believer out of an atheist? I think it all comes down to faith. Some people are supposed to see while others are not, no matter what proof is given. So what is the main purpose for studying prophecy and looking for the Mark of the Beast? I believe that purpose is to show who God really is and expose a false religion. Islam is that false religion. It has drawn one third of the world’s population to a false God and is ready to destroy the world in defense of it. There are other false religions in the world but none as violent as Islam. Islam is at war with all peoples; Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, you name it, and even other Muslims.

This letter was born out of a question by an astute reader. It was very thought provoking and led me to another answer I was looking for. Its timing couldn’t have been better. As it is with most knowledge, a question has to be asked before an answer can be found. So here is the question.

Could you explain how the dipping of fingers into ink when voting is consistent with the mark of the beast? It seems to me that people are pressured into getting the mark of the beast in revelations because without it they can't get the necessities of life.

This question is in regards to my belief that the Mark of the Beast was given to the Palestinian people during their Presidential Election on January 9, 2005. This Mark was applied to their right thumb and prevented an individual from double voting. It was supposed to last for about 48 hours. On the surface it would seem that a mark on the right hand with indelible ink is nothing more than its purpose, to prevent double voting. On the other hand, what if you just voted for the beast and were unaware of it. The mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. Christianity likes to blend two of these ideas together and say that the Mark is the number 666 inscribed. This is just one example there are many others.

Did this mark directly cause the people to be able to buy and sell? The words in Revelation 13:16 provide a good clue. He caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, or free and bond to receive this mark. Why would someone who is great, rich and free need to get any sort of mark in order to buy anything? A person in high esteem with lots of money (maybe a government official) needs no permission to buy anything, he does as he pleases. The opposite of that is what gets my attention more. If a man is small, poor and in jail why would he need to get a mark? If he is in jail he would have relatively no need for money as he would be getting his food and shelter from his jailors. The short answer is that the mark was given to all even those in jail who voted in the Palestinian Presidential Elections. This mark identifies the second beast and was only indirectly involved in their ability to buy and sell.

The situation that caused a lack of funds in the PA government was due to the Election of Hamas as ruling party a year later. Since no western government was providing aid to the Palestinians it became apparent that the PA government would slide into anarchy and collapse. Therefore, a temporary mechanism was created by the international community to allow money to be given to essential PA institutions while bypassing the Hamas Government. All money going to these essential humanitarian institutions will be distributed through the office of the President, Mahmoud Abbas. Now, through the name of one man, the people are able to buy and sell namely because many will be receiving salaries. Now you have two items which identify the beast, a mark which was given when he was elected and his name which will allow funds to be given. There is only one other thing that can identify him and that is his number. That number is 666.

Gematria is the most common way scholars use to find his identity. A system that applies a number value to letters to see if an individuals name will come to the sum of 666. One guess is as good as another in this system and many people’s names add up to 666. Any answer would just be a guess and provide relatively little proof to back it up, therefore I never devoted much time to this theory.

In my search I was more concerned with how and why and when Mahmoud Abbas was going to bring about his peoples ability to buy and sell. That answer came with the election of Hamas. Hamas was the reason why the PA had a lack of funds. The international community, through a temporary mechanism sponsored by the Quartet, was how they were going to get the funds. The last thing is the most surprising. The Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) agreed on this international mechanism to fund the PA on June 16, 2006 on a Friday. This happened on the sixth day of the week in the sixth month on the sixteenth day in the year 2006. It seems the event I was looking for happened on a 666 day, one of only three in the whole year. I think most people were more concerned with June 6, 2006.

Remember, the mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. All three of these items point to the second beast. They describe him as an adjective does a noun. It is how they are interpreted that either blinds us or lets us see. Therefore, what I have done is link the number 666 to his name instead of the number to the mark. It was a coincidence that this find ever happened. I wasn’t looking in this direction when it found me. I was following the money.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention one more thing.
I usually don’t make too many predictions and only write about events after the fact, but here goes. Since writing this letter and pondering the situation in Israel, I have thought of another possibility for the Mark. Any referendum held by the PA that advances policy allowing the international community to provide international aid to the PA would qualify. It would qualify as long as a Mark is applied to the hands or forehead and is given to all Palestinians just as mentioned in my remarks on Revelation 13:16.

In summary, Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon.

The Watchman of Ephraim Hosea 9:8

For more information on this topic please read “Image of Mahmoud Abbas” and Ephraem.com

Hello everyone, just checking back in to say hello.
This forum is one of my favorites. It is well worth the time spent.
WOEphraim

There is a school of thought that the anti-christ will arise from islam. I tend to favor this thinking, as well, especially with the belief the 12th Iman will be coming soon. Thank you for the information, and welcome to the Forum.

Your sister in Christ, Angela

Events of September 1, 2006.

The international mechanism that was set up on June 16, 2006 (666)
has begun to compensate Palestinian workers.Through this aid fund,
set up by the EU and the World Bank, 625,000 Palestinians will be paid
$347 dollars each. This fund bypasses the Hamas led government due to
their unwillingness to conform to the image of Mahmoud Abbas. All funds
established under this aid fund go through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.
Through the name of one man, under a plan established on June 16,
2006, and brought about by a mark on the right hand on election day,
Palestinians are now being empowered to buy and sell.


The following is a unedited portion of an article that appeared in Haaretz December 15, 2006. Haaretz is an English edition of the daily news from Israel.

Last update - 20:14 15/12/2006

EU extends Palestinian aid deal that bypasses Hamas-led gov't

By Haaretz Service and Agencies

European Union leaders on Friday extended by three months an aid deal for the Palestinians that bypasses the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority government that took office earlier this year.

In a two-day summit in Brussels, the leaders also urged Syria to respect democracy in Lebanon and to stop meddling in its neighbor's internal affairs.

Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel has meant diplomatic and economic isolation from the international community and triggered a financial crisis for the Palestinians.

EU leaders said "the protracted deterioration" of the Palestinian situation justified continuing the World Bank-monitored aid scheme that has funneled hundreds of millions of euros (dollars) directly to Palestinians.

The Middle East faces "one of the worst crises in years," EU leaders said, stating their readiness to work with a "legitimate" unity Palestinian government acceptable to the international community.


WOEphraim

The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas

In summary, Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon.

The Watchman of Ephraim Hosea 9:8

What do you mean when you say "he is coming soon?" When Jesus and the apostles used such words, furturists appeal to 2 Peter 3:8 and say that soon really means far or later. Why should we listen to you when you say "he is coming soon?" According to the futurist understanding of that word, it could mean thousands of years! You use that word because nearness is what you meant to convey. AND THAT IS EXACTLY HOW JESUS AND THE APOSTLES USED TIME STATEMENTS! I understand you and I understand them. Jesus and the apostles said He was coming soon--in that first-century, pre-AD world just as He said He would--and DID!

Preterist

Hello ephraim,

Thought this might peek your curiosity as it did mine. I also believe as you do that the anti-christ will come out from the nation of islam. Here's an article that you can google or yahoo search and see for yourself...or just hook into these links!

At some point this past summer I came across this article on another forum...

In the world today, 1.2 billion Muslims proudly mark themselves with the number 666. For Islam this number proves the perfection of the quran and the proof that Mohammed was the prophet of Allah. Yahoo it. I put it together for you in the links. Simply click on them. THESE ARE ISLAMIC SITES, NOT COMPUTER HIJINKS.

http://www.66619.org/thequran.htm
http://www.66619.org/

quran 666
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=quran+666...p=&ei=UTF-8

This may not fit certain eschatologies but folks, this is a matter of fact.
These same folks also follow a false prophet.

BTW, Very Nice to meet you!!! a new sister in Christ, hannah

Thank you Hannah. The site was very interesting. It is very seldom I see a site so creepy. I have to admit, I laughed. It makes me wonder who the author is. WOEphraim

p.s. Nice to meet you also!

Whenever someone reads "The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas" the same questions always arise. I thought I
would post my response to one of them.

What is the beasts mortal head wound that is healed?

Once it is understood that heads are nations this parable can be answered.

In Revelation 17:9 it says that seven heads are seven mountains. This is a partial answer to Rev.13:1.
It must be taken one step further in order to understand it. Mountains in scripture have been used to
describe nations in various verses. So if you follow it to its conclusion, seven heads are seven mountains
and seven mountains are seven nations.

"And I saw one of his heads, as it were wounded to death:and his deadly wound was healed:and all the
world wondered after the beast. Rev13:3

The land that is being given back to the Palestinians is the head or nation which was wounded. It was
completely occupied by Israel. Once the Oslo Accords were implemented it was given back to their control.
Therefore the wound is healed. In other words, the nation that was taken in war is now being returned to
the Palestinians and the beasts wound is being healed.

The thing that needs to be understood is that sometimes parables are interpreted right after they are stated, while other times they are left for you to figure out.
WOEphraim

I think we are already given what we need to understand in God's word concerning Revelation. Things mentioned in Revelation such as the mark of beast and the false prophet, mystery babylon will be found in the Old Testament sometimes in visions of OT prophets; other times hidden in pattern types of biblical history. The Old Testament is the shadow of things revealed in the New Testament. Revelation is an unsealed book! So my opinion for more understanding is dig through the Old Testament prayerfully.

Here is an interesting pattern type I found recently that relates to both Daniel and Revelation concerning the false prophet.

Revelation 13:11-12
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

There are only very few times that a two-horned beast is mentioned in the Old Testament. One is obviously found in Daniel.

Daniel 8:2-3
And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

The other is more obscure but is found in Genesis.

Genesis 14:1-6
And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations; That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.
All these were joined together in the vale of Siddim, which is the salt sea. Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled. And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emins in Shaveh Kiriathaim, And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto Elparan, which is by the wilderness.

Now at first glance you'd say this has nothing to do with Daniel or Revelation. Well it does-- the key is to indentify Ashteroth-Karnaim. The other is to know what the name of the city means in the Hebrew.

Ashteroth-Karnaim translates to "Ashteroth of the two horns". (6255 in Strong's) It is interesting to note that this was an ancient city located in Palestine.

Now look at the pattern type here:

Here we see the King of Elam- Chedorlaomer. In Daniel 8, we see that his vision occurred in the province of Elam which wsa part of the Persian empire, which today would be mostly modern day Iran. Though originally the Persian empire encompassed as far as India.

Here we also see the King of Shinar, Amraphel- today most agree that this was the region of southern Mesoptamia. Some also state Shinar refers also to Sumer. However most agree that Shinar is more acquainted with Babylon or modern day Iraq.

King Arioch of Ellasar- Ellasar was also known Larag and Larsa and was an ancient Sumerian city.

We also see the Tidal King-- the word is "Goiim" meaning a confederate of nations The Tidal King was head over the kings of the North.

I think this answer opposes what you have to say on the matter. This was another popular question asked.

Prophecy is linear and moves forward like a clock. Arafat was the first beast of Revelation 13. He died on Nov.11, 2004. The PA government had to have a new leader and Mahmoud Abbas was elected on Jan. 9, 2005. His membership in Fatah also made him a part of the first beast during Arafat's time. A one year pause happened then Hamas was elected and began to share power with Mahmoud Abbas. This was the second beast rising. A beast with two horns that spake as a dragon was the union of Hamas and Fatah that represented the PA government. Why do you think another beast arose? The first one DIED. Arafat represented all the Muslim nations of the first beast and his authority passed to Mahmoud Abbas.

I could not have told you before he died why or under what circumstances another beast would arise.

Occasionally, I run into an event that can be translated two ways. When I said Abu Ala was one of the horns of the second beast, this was wrong. I attributed the creation of the Prime Ministers office as the second horn of Rev. 13. In reality there was a one year pause. Hamas was that second horn.

This is a government with two equal but opposing sides. Horns are kings.Rev.17:12...WOEphraim

Then I guess that "Ashteroth-Karnaim which translates to "Ashteroth of the two horns". (6255 in Strong's)" is a mere coincidence in your eyes.

Unfortunatly when it comes to God's Holy word there are no coincidences...

Even the number "666" is found in the Old Testament... am I to believe that this is accidental too?




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I did not say your story was false. It just has nothing to do with the forth beast kingdom on earth just
before Christ arrives. Just because somewhere mentions the number 666 you get blinded? That number
has other information that helps place it in its time. For instance, the second beasts name and mark are
also just as important. It helps the people buy and sell. I have used all the scripture to prove my point
and you have showed me a coincidence. I read in another forum where a lady was nervous when she
purchased an item for $6.66 and then bought something else for $16.66. If you are going to disagree with
someone please use all the available information and not bits and pieces to prove your point. WOEphraim

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[quote name='1LikeDeborah' post='99155' date='Jan 16 2007, 09:18 AM']


Then I guess that "Ashteroth-Karnaim which translates to "Ashteroth of the two horns". (6255 in Strong's)" is a mere coincidence in your eyes.

Unfortunatly when it comes to God's Holy word there are no coincidences...

Even the number "666" is found in the Old Testament... am I to believe that this is accidental too?

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I did not say your story was false. It just has nothing to do with the forth beast kingdom on earth just
before Christ arrives. Just because somewhere mentions the number 666 you get blinded? That number
has other information that helps place it in its time. For instance, the second beasts name and mark are
also just as important. It helps the people buy and sell. I have used all the scripture to prove my point
and you have showed me a coincidence. I read in another forum where a lady was nervous when she
purchased an item for $6.66 and then bought something else for $16.66. If you are going to disagree with
someone please use all the available information and not bits and pieces to prove your point. WOEphraim


We are not talking about dinner receipts here--- we are talking about God's word which is infallible. I stand by what I said--- THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN SCRIPTURE.

Saying that something is coincidence in God's word is like saying that animal sacrifice in the Old Testament was mere coincidence as a pattern type that showed the coming of Christ's sacrifice upon the cross. And I doubt you would disagree here.

Aside from that where did I quote that I disagree with you? Because in fact I don't. What I pointed out is actually agrees with you and not the opposite.

Now regarding you inaccurate statement concerning the Old Testament mentioning of "666" as mere coincidence again I would suggest you look again.

I Kings 10: 14-16
14 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, 15 not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from all the Arabian kings and the governors of the land.
16 King Solomon made two hundred large shields of hammered gold; six hundred bekas of gold went into each shield. 17 He also made three hundred small shields of hammered gold, with three minas of gold in each shield. The king put them in the Palace of the Forest of Lebanon.

Now after this what did Solomon do...

I Kings 11: 6-7
6 So Solomon did evil in the eyes of the LORD; he did not follow the LORD completely, as David his father had done. 7 On a hill east of Jerusalem, Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the detestable god of Moab, and for Molech the detestable god of the Ammonites. 8 He did the same for all his foreign wives, who burned incense and offered sacrifices to their gods.





Ezra 2: 1-13
Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city; 2Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mizpar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel: 3The children of Parosh, two thousand an hundred seventy and two. 4The children of Shephatiah, three hundred seventy and two. 5The children of Arah, seven hundred seventy and five. 6The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and twelve. 7The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four. 8The children of Zattu, nine hundred forty and five. 9The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and threescore. 0The children of Bani, six hundred forty and two. 11The children of Bebai, six hundred twenty and three. 12The children of Azgad, a thousand two hundred twenty and two. 13The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

Adonikam in hebrew means "My Lord has risen". Thus we see a hidden reference of the redemption of man through Christ -we are bought back from captivity.

I guess you are right you didn't say you disagreed. I just didn't see where you agreed.
It felt like a lecture. Ask yourself a question and maybe you will see what i mean.
Did you learn something from what I have wrote? Did it apply to your life?
Your words are babble to me and thats exactly what I hate most about Christians trying to explain
something. They write a whole book on one word and say nothing. I still don't see how what you
say relates, it just confuses. I am glad you support me though. I hope we can work together.
WOEphraim

Hello everyone. Just came back to say hi and read a few replies.
Ephraim

HI Ephraim, nice to see you there! Yes we try NOT TO ARGUE, and be respectful of others... We are doing pretty good! Praise God! After all we are all FAMILY!!!

In light of the events happening in recent days, has anyone given this scenario more consideration?
Ephraim

Yes. There now seems to be two centers of power, Gaza and the West Bank.

In any case, this info plus Gavrial's posts of the 2300 and 1290 day timings seem to go together.

The U.S. only has a little time. I would that more of the church would realize how little it really is.

May the Lord be glorified.

In Christ,

Mike

Glad you brought this subject up. I believe The Mark of the Beast has nothing to do with Islam or the Arabs. According to these passages below, it is the western Antichrist who causes the world to accept his mark to buy and sell. Would anyone here in America or Europe even give the time of day to an Islamic leader who says that Americans have to take an Islamic mark to buy and sell? The Arabs and Islam play a background role in events in the Mideast. The most important of which is the signing of a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, now in the works. After that they attack Israel 3 1/2 years after the signing of the treaty. After the Antichrist steps in to stop the war, they eventually align themselves with the King of the North and attack again all the way to Egypt. You can read the whole scenario at http://www.grandunifiedprophecies.blogspot.com

Rev 13:15 And he (Antichrist) had power to give life unto the image of the beast (computer/television), that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many (Christians) would not worship the image of the beast (taking the mark is worship of the beast) should be killed (beheaded for not taking the mark). 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (possibly an invisible UPC tattoo containing the hidden use of the numbers 666 in the right/middle/end bars) in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast (Antichrist), or the number of his name (Antichrist’s name adds up to 666 possibly using A=6, B=12, C=18 etc. alpha numeric code). 18 Here is wisdom (not something obvious). Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (666).

Orates

Well, thanks, Ephraim!

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Glad you brought this subject up. I believe The Mark of the Beast has nothing to do with Islam or the Arabs. According to these passages below, it is the western Antichrist who causes the world to accept his mark to buy and sell. Would anyone here in America or Europe even give the time of day to an Islamic leader who says that Americans have to take an Islamic mark to buy and sell? The Arabs and Islam play a background role in events in the Mideast. The most important of which is the signing of a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, now in the works. After that they attack Israel 3 1/2 years after the signing of the treaty. After the Antichrist steps in to stop the war, they eventually align themselves with the King of the North and attack again all the way to Egypt. You can read the whole scenario at http://www.grandunifiedprophecies.blogspot.com

Rev 13:15 And he (Antichrist) had power to give life unto the image of the beast (computer/television), that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many (Christians) would not worship the image of the beast (taking the mark is worship of the beast) should be killed (beheaded for not taking the mark). 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark (possibly an invisible UPC tattoo containing the hidden use of the numbers 666 in the right/middle/end bars) in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast (Antichrist), or the number of his name (Antichrist’s name adds up to 666 possibly using A=6, B=12, C=18 etc. alpha numeric code). 18 Here is wisdom (not something obvious). Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six (666).

Orates
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The Image of the Beast is not a likeness of him or a statue. His Image is what he represents. Mahmoud
Abbas represents three issues that Hamas rejects: all agreements signed between Israel and the
Palestinians, the rejection of terror as a means to aquiring their goals and a two-state solution based on
the 1967 borders prior to the six-day war. Those who do not honor his image will be killed. Hamas is
the group that will not honor his Image and they are being killed daily. Ephraim

Isn't this how satan revives the son of perdition...as an image?

Remember it is the image of the beast:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770


And as far as who comes before the mortal wound: perhaps it's someone who just changed the term of EEU president to a 3 yr term from the present 6 month term, right b4 he gets in office.....

And after the league [made] with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
Dan 11:23


[color=#000099]janez is very similar to jannes which means god


http://www.kpv.gov.si/en/splosno/novice/ne...Hash=7e5d358e08

For all those who like less detailed explanations.
Here is an abreviated version of my starter thread. Have a nice day...

Explanation 666

On June 16, 2006 a program was enacted that allowed money to flow through one man,
Mahmoud Abbas, in order to pay the salaries of his people. He empowered his people (Fatah)
to buy and sell simply because he was allowed to receive and disperse funds. Hamas was
prevented from receiving aid from Abbas. This fulfills Revelation 13. Hamas boycotted
the Election of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore they did not receive the mark. Only Fatah got the mark,
and only Fatah is receving money from Abbas. Therefore, Hamas cannot buy and sell because they
did not receive the mark. Here is another way to view it. By not receiving salaries they were
prevented from buying and selling.

So here is the interpretation that I am describing. No man can buy and sell unless
he has the mark, the number of his name, or his name. The men being referred to are
the Palestinians, not the whole world. The funds in question are the Western donations that
used to go to the PA but were stopped after Hamas took over the Government. The Mark was
an indelible ink mark applied to the right hand during the Palestinian Presidential Election.
Make any sense? Ephraim

Revelation 13 was fulfilled in the time frame clearly given in chapters 1 and 22--the things which were in John's day to SHORTLY take place. The time was THEN near. The beast is found in the first century A.D.

Preterist

What a foolish comment. The people who teach this are blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.
Ephraim

Some questions that need Answers

It is impossible to know what sequence of events will cause
666 unless the following questions are answered.

1. Which people are being discussed?
2. Why is there a need for money, or what caused them to
have a lack of funds?
3. When the first two questions are answered then the most
important can be asked. Who is the individual that will cause
the people to receive those needed funds?
4. Also, who are those being prevented from obtaining funds
because they have not received the Mark?

June 16, 2006 (666) was the date the Temporary International
Mechanism was established which allowed the aid to reach
Palestinians while bypassing the Hamas led Government. Ephraim

Why is Mahmoud Abbas the Beast of Revelation 13?

The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the
meaning of Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed.
If the wrong people are associated with the prophecies of Revelation
13 its answer can never be found. The people being referred to in
Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is decided three questions
have to be answered; why, how and who.

Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government,
Western Aid was discontinued.

How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?
Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism
that bypasses the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program
was established on Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents
the day that one man was allowed to administer a program that paid the
salaries of his people. This is an amazing coincidence. There are only
three days in ten years that end with three sixes; June 6, June 16, and
June 26.

Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
Salaries will be paid through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.

Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did
not receive the mark?

Hamas boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas in January 2005;
therefore they did not receive the indelible ink mark to their right hands.
All salaries are being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas.
Hamas will not honor the image of Mahmoud Abbas. The image of
Mahmoud Abbas is required by the international community to continue
peace talks with Israel. This image is three items that represent Abbas
and his Government; the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements
with Israel, the renunciation of terror as a means to an end, and a two-
state solution based on the 1967 borders prior to the six-day war.


Three items point to the Beast of Revelation 13: his mark, his number
and his name. WOEphraim

Mahmoud Abbas certainly is part of the "evil" side of the conflict and can be associated with the number 6. However I believe all of those that follow him are already under the spell of Satan. He isn't coming after them.....he wants us, Christians.


Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


That is us. Our Jewish brothers keep the commandments of God. We do that and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. He wants those that love God, not Allah or whoever....they are already his.

The number of his name, 666, tells us when he comes. At the 6th seal, 6th vial and 6th trump. Christ is telling us Satan comes first pretending to be our Saviour and we must wait for the true Christ.....who arrives at the 7th trump.


.........Whirlwind

An intelligent question and answer

Question:
The beast of Revelation 13 is associated with various items by which
he can be identified. One of these is:

" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,
and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months".

How did Mahmoud Abbas fulfill this prophecy? How would you fit the 42
months time period, as used by John, in the life of Mahmoud Abbas?

Answer:
Mahmoud Abbas does not fulfill this 42 month prophecy, Yasser Arafat does.
The first beast of Revelation and the little horn was Yasser Arafat. The 42
months were fulfilled in the first three and a half years of the Oslo
Accords. This happened between 1993 and 1997. Negotiations were going
well and both sides were making progress during this time. Arafat's leadership
seemed to be providing results as Israel continued to transfer
land and security control back to the Palestinians. In the second half of the
seven years that ended in Sept. 2000, the good will began to break down
and terrorism stifled the whole process. The second intifada started, shortly
after the failure at Camp David, and not much has happened every since.

Naturally, when Yasser Arafat died in November of 2004, he had to be
replaced. Mahmoud Abbas became that replacement. He stepped into the
position of the first beast simply by being elected Palestinian President.
The second beast of Revelation entered the picture when Hamas won the
the elections of Jan. 2006. When Hamas won the election, the Government
of the Palestinian Authority became the two-horned second beast. These
two horns represent two kings within the same Palestinian Authority that do
not agree on the image of Mahmoud Abbas.
This image of Mahmoud Abbas and his Government are three issues that
represent the old Palestinian Authority. These must be implemented to allow
a peace process to continue with Israel. Hamas must recognize Israel,
abide by old agreements and renounce terrorism. This is the image of Abbas;
the second beast of Revelation. If these ideas are not followed, honored or
worshipped; those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King
James Bible translators. It also means to honor.

Now combined with the first post, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Abbas is
that second beast and he has fulfilled the prophecy of 666 as I have described.
Thanks for your question, anonymous.

WOEphraim

To All,
I believe there are several considerations in this scenario. Please allow me to identify a few which may be pertinent:

1. If a "counterfeit" Messiah were to appear, he would probably have a Jewish heritage, like the original.
2. If this person were to effect a global purchase system, he would probably be Secretary General of the U.N.
3. If one considered the association between the right hand and the forehead, one could consider that both are scanned. The right palm, and the eyes.
4. Because English is the world's language, the English alphabet is probably the best candidate for the "church" to evaluate. Certainly we should look for multiple attributes, typical of the Father/Son/Spirit.
5. If the alpha system only yielded a "father"/computer, and "son"/anti-christ, then we would need to "calculate" the "spirit"/barcode.
6. The barcode may be a prime candidate, whereas the two thin lines, -- front, middle, and end,-- are numerically the number "6". -- It's binary driven.

And as Orates suggested, we should use a little wisdom.

With Best Regards,
DaDad

Careful Ephraim, that's half the church
DaDad

AC comes always from the strongest military power in his time

Nero from Rome

Napoleon from France

Hitler from Germany

the next from the USA

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To Ephriam, for whatever it is worth to you, over a year ago a friend of mine, David, told me he got a word from the Lord that Mohmoud Abbas was the Antichrist.

For whatever it's worth.

Ed

It's worth alot Ed1944. He should be out there trying to
straighten out all these lies, if he has the means. It seems
all those with means like to keep Christians blind, willingly
or unwillingly. Sometimes it's hard to tell which side they are
really on. Ephraim

Where's Gengis Khan, King George, Hirohito, and many others? -- I think the list is not supportable in the context presented. However, given the suggestion, the strongest "authority" is the United Nations. (The United States may have the strongest military, unless it's political poison to use it.) However, we could conceive that a former U.S. Secretary of State might be a candidate. -- So is there a "meld" where a U.S. citizen becomes Secretary General of the U.N.?

With Regards
DaDad

I recommend watching some videos on Walid Shoebat, awesome testimony!

I think he was the one that pointed out that the greek characters for 666 was similar for the Arabic "In the name of Allah" phrase...

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/#islam_666

Personally, I think you'll find 666 in MANY places! Why? Because the enemy is using 666 to obfuscate the REAL meaning of it. Think about it, if Revelation said "And the beast shall look like a pink bunny rabbit", then the enemy would flood the world with pink bunny rabbits so we couldn't find the real one. Like Where's Waldo!

We each think we found THE A/C! But they're all red herrings.

And the rest of the secular world just laughs whenever we point one out, hurting our credibility.

So, we'll find many pattern matches, but when the real one comes, we'll know beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The Beast of Revelation 13 is Mahmoud Abbas

The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering the meaning of
Revelation 13 is which people are being discussed. If the wrong people are
associated with the prophecies of Revelation 13 its answer can never be found.
The people being referred to in Revelation 13 are the Palestinians. Once this is
decided three questions have to be answered; why, how and who.

Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government, Western Aid was
discontinued.

How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy and sell?
Through a program called the Temporary International Mechanism that bypasses
the Hamas controlled Palestinian Authority. This program was established on
Friday June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents the day that one man was
allowed to administer a program that paid the salaries of his people. This is an
amazing coincidence. There are only three days in ten years that end with three
sixes; June 6, June 16, and June 26.

Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
Western Aid was resumed through the office of Mahmoud Abbas due to the
Temporary International Mechanism.

Also, what group will be prevented from getting money because they did not
receive the mark? Hamas.

The mark of Mahmoud Abbas was issued in the Palestinian Presidential Election
of January 2005. To prevent double voting an indelible ink mark was applied to the
right hand of all voters. Since Hamas boycotted these elections their members
never received the mark. Revelation 13:16 states that he caused all, small and
great, rich and poor, and free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand or in
their foreheads. Simply by being a candidate, Mahmoud Abbas caused his
people to receive the mark. Anyone who voted, either for him, or against him, were
there because of him.

Hamas will not honor the image of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore all salaries are
being given to Fatah, the party of Mahmoud Abbas. The image is what the
Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas represents.
This image of Abbas is required by the international community to continue peace
talks with Israel. This image is three items. These are the renunciation of terror,
the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements, and the recognition of Israel,
which can also be expressed as the acceptance of the two-state solution based
on the 1967 borders. If these ideas are not followed, honored or worshipped;
those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King James
Bible translators. It also means to honor.

So here is the sum of the matter. Mahmoud Abbas, in his name, was allowed to
pay his people through a program created on a date that ended in three sixes.
He was elected to his people by popular vote and caused his people to take a
mark. This mark was given to everyone, even those in Israeli jails, who voted.
Christians were always taught these basic principles, except I have linked the
number 666 with his name, while prior teaching had the mark as 666 engraved.


Lastly, why is it important these facts be stated?
It is important because prophecy written centuries ago, fulfilled in the present,
can have only one meaning. The author of that prophecy has to be God.
Also, it distinguishes between a true and a false religion. These are the two most
important issues in this writing. May your faith be stronger. The blessings of God to all
who understand. W.O.E.

I too heard the 12th Iman to be from Islam, many say the King/prince of Jordan to be Him, because they sare the natural descendants of Mohammed.

The good new is, that they also believe that Jesus will also be here on earth at the same time...

This reminds me of Isaac (us) and Esau (Islam) when they fell on each others neck in the desert and wept together.

Maybe Jesus will make peace the Iman?, as Jesus is also called the prince of peace...

Cool times are ahead, not just bad things, but no doubt a little of both.

I think a man who wants to teach others as you have demonstrated
should also know there are consequences when your words are misleading.
ephraim

Yes, that will be the al-Mahdi, and his assistant, Isa (Muslim version of Jesus). See http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/al-mahdi.html and http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/isa.html for comparisons with AC and False Prophet.

However, the 12th Imam is a Shiite belief. Shiite's believe that the 12th Imam is al-Mahdi. Sunnis (the majority of Muslims) do not believe in the 12th Imam. That said, Sunni and Shiites have essentially the same beliefs pertaining to the end-times Mahdi.

Mahmoud Abbas is the Beast? LOL that is making me laugh right now. The reason I am laughing right now is, do you realy think the Antichrist will be some ugly freak looking man? The devil who whorships beauty, is going to lead mankind against Gods with the body of something that looks like that?


If you were going to say an ugly man why not say Henry Waxman
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1007/waxmanImage2.jpg

Jeff

In order to arrive at the conclusion in my starter post certain parables had to be
solved. Here is one of them, the beasts fatal head wound...

The fatal head wound has nothing to do with a person's head. This is a parable.
It relates back to what a head is. Revelation 17:9 defines head as a mountain.
These heads are first mentioned in Revelation 13:1. Most people stop right there
and identify Rome as a city on seven mountains, but this translation is lacking
one step to finish its meaning. Many times in the Bible the word mountain has
an alternative meaning. It can mean both a mountain range or a nation. There
are examples of this throughout the Bible. They are easy to find with a
concordance.

So the key to answering the fatal head wound is knowing what head means.
Seven heads are seven mountains and the seven mountains are seven nations.
Therefore, this beasts head is also his nation. Now that I have laid the
foundation for my answer here is the answer.
In 1967, Israel fought the six day war. When it was over they had aquired
Gaza, Jerusalem and the West Bank. This land is the beasts nation or head.
It was completely occupied by Israel, therefore the beast had a fatal head
(nation) wound. During the Oslo Accords the beasts head wound was healed.
In other words, as land was being returned to the Palestinian Authority the
beasts head (nation) was being healed. ephraim

Could you explain how the dipping of fingers into ink when voting is consistent with the mark of the beast? It seems to me that people are pressured into getting the mark of the beast in revelations because without it they can't get the necessities of life.

The necessities of life ,,come from God not a false system..... God has shown many of times that He can protect, the book of Daniel is a good exaple of this... The mark of the beast and the power point of the system will only be 5 months, you have been told what to do during this time....

Here is a quick summary of this thread. The five months you speak of happens while Satan is here on Earth.
Christians will not be present during this time. Can you explain further the point you are trying to make?

The last beast kingdom described in Revelation 13 is a group of nations, seven to be exact. These nations will fight with
Israel in the war of Ezekiel 38. Satan is not the Beast. Satan will be cast out of heaven as described in Rev. 12 for three
and a half years. 2Thes. Chapter 2 says the same thing in another way. The falling away is Satan and his angels being
cast out of heaven. Satan will only be revealed to the world after the Rapture of the Church. He will claim he is God and
want to be worshipped. Those on Earth during this time will believe the lie because God will send them strong delusion.
He will be known to the Muslims as the Mahdi. Abbas (the beast) will also be worshipped to a lesser degree because he
will achieve the goal he has sought, the conquest of Jerusalem. ephraim