The fact that pagan concepts, which are of satan, mirror christian truths, that are of God is no surprise....
Indeed, in the final days the last false trinity will reveal itself on earth as satan, a spirit, works through the anti christ and the false prophet..
He has always known the triune nature of God and knows the best way to be LIKE god is to imitate Him as closely as possible....because if it is totally a lie, no one would believe it.
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An empty glass is full of air. The air is made of . . . The elements of the air are made from. . . on down the line to the creator, the Father.
So are there three things of the glass? There is so much that is part of everything. But there is only two; there is and there is naught.
So are there three things of the glass? There is so much that is part of everything. But there is only two; there is and there is naught.
Jesus Christ is the LIVING WORD.
HE IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. PRAISE JESUS
HE IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA. PRAISE JESUS
He is the One. . . that is!
It is a simple thing.
God is Spirit and inhabits His creation.
He walked in the garden with adam and eve as the Lord and at the same time He was in Heaven running creation.
He walked out of Heaven with out ever leaving, as three Lords to visit Abraham.
Two of the Lords left and walked toward sodom and gamora while one Lord stayed and visited with Abraham. None of these Lords including Melchizedek had overcome the flesh of Man even though they were the same Spirit of God.
Through the Creation of Christ God overcame the flesh of man and made the way that all men can come back to Him Through His own example.
Even though Christ came two thirds of the way through the whole time span He was created first and all of creation was formed around Him and for Him. This includes the creation of man.
This is why it is important to ask God for His Spirit. If you ask Him in truth believing He will give you what you ask for.
Charlie
God is Spirit and inhabits His creation.
He walked in the garden with adam and eve as the Lord and at the same time He was in Heaven running creation.
He walked out of Heaven with out ever leaving, as three Lords to visit Abraham.
Two of the Lords left and walked toward sodom and gamora while one Lord stayed and visited with Abraham. None of these Lords including Melchizedek had overcome the flesh of Man even though they were the same Spirit of God.
Through the Creation of Christ God overcame the flesh of man and made the way that all men can come back to Him Through His own example.
Even though Christ came two thirds of the way through the whole time span He was created first and all of creation was formed around Him and for Him. This includes the creation of man.
This is why it is important to ask God for His Spirit. If you ask Him in truth believing He will give you what you ask for.
Charlie
I guess c-los-medrano said this:
i will say that it is true that there are pagan ideas instilled in Christianity. for example Pagans celebrated Dec 25th to their Sun god and we celebrate Christmas.
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
These are all words that arose from the mythological gods of the planets so that an astrological chart can be stored pertaining to the birth of every individual. But, they stopped doing that because there are so many people born at the same time on the same day. These are your pagan concepts. And all of us continue every day to follow this because there are people that have started businesses according to the astrological propensities of the gravitational effects on the psyches of individuals to rise toward success.
You probably would not understand that, though.
i will say that it is true that there are pagan ideas instilled in Christianity. for example Pagans celebrated Dec 25th to their Sun god and we celebrate Christmas.
Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
These are all words that arose from the mythological gods of the planets so that an astrological chart can be stored pertaining to the birth of every individual. But, they stopped doing that because there are so many people born at the same time on the same day. These are your pagan concepts. And all of us continue every day to follow this because there are people that have started businesses according to the astrological propensities of the gravitational effects on the psyches of individuals to rise toward success.
You probably would not understand that, though.
Hi Creation:
The modern day ‘official’ trinity doctrine is the invention of the Roman Catholic Church shared among her daughter denominations. The concept of a triune deity is foreign to the practitioners of Judaism who will insist on quoting from Deuteronomy and say, "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!” (Deut. 6:4). Many among the Jews look down their noses at professing Christians, because of this ‘three persons in the godhead’ dogma that makes no sense to them whatsoever. Since they are blind (Romans 11:25) to many aspects of New Testament teaching for Christians, then they toss us into one pot with pagans and their multiple gods.
Rightly dividing (2Tim. 2:15) the Word of truth on this topic requires us to gather the Biblical facts to lay them out in a manner that creates zero contradictions, which many refuse to do or are incapable of doing. What does Scripture say about the God our Lord Jesus Christ is explaining?
Paul refers to the ‘one God’ (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5) as the “Invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) that OT Scripture says heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain (1Kings 8:27). In other words, no one can ever behold our Invisible God, because He is indeed INFINITE. Jesus Christ is “The Word” made flesh (John 1:14) that this creation ‘can’ contain with the fullness of God’s Deity “IN” Him in bodily form. Colossians 2:9. The biggest misconception among professing Christians in the world today is that the three witnesses (1John 5:7-8) of the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water) = “The Almighty” (Rev. 1:8). Those are the three witnesses of “The Logos” (The Word) that God sent into the world to save us. The Son Himself is represented by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit contained within the Heavenly “man” Christ Jesus (1Tim. 2:5). Read from this passage with me very slowly and this truth will become more evident:
How many times must we read from these verses to realize we have been raised up ‘with Christ’ to be seated ‘with Him’ IN the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus? This Heavenly ‘man’ (1Timothy 2:5) Christ Jesus is the “one Mediator” BETWEEN God AND men. As it is written,
This cannot possibly be a reference to anyone “found in appearance AS A MAN” (Phil. 2:8), because even the heavenly places themselves are found “IN” Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6 above). No sir. Paul is making reference to the Heavenly ‘man’ (3 into the 1 = 1Jn 5:8), as in the Father (spirit), Son (blood = soul) and Holy Spirit (water = body) of “Christ Jesus” who is “The Word” of God “IN” whom this entire universe is held together (Col. 1:16-17).
Look directly under the red arrow to find the Father, Son and Holy Spirit joined together as the Heavenly ‘man’ Christ Jesus. He is standing in the Holy Place between the two veils separating this Creation (God, Heaven = Word, Earth) into three parts of the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple. Christ Jesus (blood witness) is the intercessory High Priest standing in the Holy Place, as our “one Mediator” between God (spirit) and men (water). The three witnesses of the Almighty (God To Come, God Who Is, God Who Was) appear with Him in Revelation 1:8, as the three witnesses of the Word (F+S+HS) are the “IMAGE of the Invisible God” (Col. 1:15) beyond the Second Veil. Therefore, the trinity doctrine of the RC Church has precisely the right ‘pattern,’ but the wrong ‘principals’ are plugged into the equation.
How can we use Scripture to verify our findings in this diagram? Above we learned that “No one has seen God at any time,” but the Father (John 14:7-9), Son (John 1:34) and Holy Spirit (John 1:32) are all “seen.” Everyone here can place each of these three witnesses of “The Logos” in heaven. Christ speaks of “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt. 10:32+33) throughout the Four Gospels. Christ is the “Bread which comes down out OF HEAVEN” (John 6:50+51, etc.) and John the Baptist saw the Spirit coming down from heaven (John 1:32). Can we all agree that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all seen and found ‘IN HEAVEN?’ Okay then. What does Scripture say that cannot be broken?
If “God” cannot be contained by “heaven” or even the “highest heaven” (1Kings 8:27) AND has never been “seen” (John 1:18), then how can the three witnesses of “The Logos” IN HEAVEN and SEEN be the “one God” of the same verse (1Tim. 2:5) as the “one Mediator”???!!! Are we clear that worshipping ANYTHING other than “God” as “Deity” is what defines IDOLATRY? What kind of fate awaits those who replace the “one God” with the “one Mediator” of the same verse (Rev. 21:8)? The “one God” of Scripture is the “God” who sent His Only Begotten Son (The Word = F+S+HS) into this world to save sinners. John 3:16. Jesus is the “Lord” this creation ‘can’ contain and “His God and Father” (Rev. 1:6) is the “Only True God” (John 17:3) who raised Him (F+S+HS) from the dead! Many across the internet continue to defend the “Deity of Jesus,” while I defend the Deity of “His God and Father” (Rev. 1:6) “The Almighty.” Revelation 1:8. Our life is hidden with Christ where? Do you know?
One of those cultures practice Judaism and the Messiah is named “David” (Eze. 34:23-25) at his first installation and “David” (Eze. 37:24-28) in his “forever” installation. Jesus Christ is the “Lord” with a throne in heaven “at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty” (Heb. 8:1+2) with this earth as His footstool (Isa. 66:1). Other cultures know ‘David’ by names they have given him, because he is an incarnation of this entire universe as one single ‘man from God’ (John 1:6) who is Elijah (Matt. 11:14) AND “more than a prophet” (Matt. 11:9). He is the incarnation of our father Adam (Gen. 2:7) “IN” whom we all existed in his loins in the beginning.
Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the entire “The Word” (Heaven) Realm, while John the Baptist (Joshua, David, Elijah) is the incarnation of “The Earth” or this entire universe in one single man. Figure 2 shows how three witnesses (God, Word, Creation) became nine (GTC, GWI, GWW, F, S, HS, Hvs, Hvn, Eth) to make the original “Twelve” that came out of the “ONE” (God). Men are not authorized to replace the three witnesses of “The Almighty” with those of “The Word” (F,S,HS), because that amounts to nothing more that IDOLATRY. The wide road is the paved 12 lane superhighway traveled by the many to destruction, but the path to life is traveled by the few. Matt. 7:13-14.
While every word of my testimony is true and supported by God’s Living Word, our moderators stand in the precarious position of deciding if this message ever sees the Light of Day on this Board. If they are numbered among the many, then this message will only be read before God’s mighty angels at the Judgment. Therefore, your help is held very much in their hands. : 0 ).
In Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) even now,
Terral
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Creation >> There have been many college students that have questioned if the trinity of God the father, Jesus the son, and The Holy Spirit is a pagan concept.
The modern day ‘official’ trinity doctrine is the invention of the Roman Catholic Church shared among her daughter denominations. The concept of a triune deity is foreign to the practitioners of Judaism who will insist on quoting from Deuteronomy and say, "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!” (Deut. 6:4). Many among the Jews look down their noses at professing Christians, because of this ‘three persons in the godhead’ dogma that makes no sense to them whatsoever. Since they are blind (Romans 11:25) to many aspects of New Testament teaching for Christians, then they toss us into one pot with pagans and their multiple gods.
Rightly dividing (2Tim. 2:15) the Word of truth on this topic requires us to gather the Biblical facts to lay them out in a manner that creates zero contradictions, which many refuse to do or are incapable of doing. What does Scripture say about the God our Lord Jesus Christ is explaining?
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“No one has seen God at any time; the Only Begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” John 1:18.
Paul refers to the ‘one God’ (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5) as the “Invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) that OT Scripture says heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain (1Kings 8:27). In other words, no one can ever behold our Invisible God, because He is indeed INFINITE. Jesus Christ is “The Word” made flesh (John 1:14) that this creation ‘can’ contain with the fullness of God’s Deity “IN” Him in bodily form. Colossians 2:9. The biggest misconception among professing Christians in the world today is that the three witnesses (1John 5:7-8) of the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water) = “The Almighty” (Rev. 1:8). Those are the three witnesses of “The Logos” (The Word) that God sent into the world to save us. The Son Himself is represented by the Father, Son and Holy Spirit contained within the Heavenly “man” Christ Jesus (1Tim. 2:5). Read from this passage with me very slowly and this truth will become more evident:
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“But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together WITH CHRIST (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up WITH HIM, and seated us WITH HIM “in” the heavenly places “in” Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us “in” Christ Jesus.” Ephesians 2:4-7.
How many times must we read from these verses to realize we have been raised up ‘with Christ’ to be seated ‘with Him’ IN the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus? This Heavenly ‘man’ (1Timothy 2:5) Christ Jesus is the “one Mediator” BETWEEN God AND men. As it is written,
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“For there is one God (“His God And Father”), and one Mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus . . .”. 1Timothy 2:5.
This cannot possibly be a reference to anyone “found in appearance AS A MAN” (Phil. 2:8), because even the heavenly places themselves are found “IN” Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6 above). No sir. Paul is making reference to the Heavenly ‘man’ (3 into the 1 = 1Jn 5:8), as in the Father (spirit), Son (blood = soul) and Holy Spirit (water = body) of “Christ Jesus” who is “The Word” of God “IN” whom this entire universe is held together (Col. 1:16-17).
Look directly under the red arrow to find the Father, Son and Holy Spirit joined together as the Heavenly ‘man’ Christ Jesus. He is standing in the Holy Place between the two veils separating this Creation (God, Heaven = Word, Earth) into three parts of the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple. Christ Jesus (blood witness) is the intercessory High Priest standing in the Holy Place, as our “one Mediator” between God (spirit) and men (water). The three witnesses of the Almighty (God To Come, God Who Is, God Who Was) appear with Him in Revelation 1:8, as the three witnesses of the Word (F+S+HS) are the “IMAGE of the Invisible God” (Col. 1:15) beyond the Second Veil. Therefore, the trinity doctrine of the RC Church has precisely the right ‘pattern,’ but the wrong ‘principals’ are plugged into the equation.
How can we use Scripture to verify our findings in this diagram? Above we learned that “No one has seen God at any time,” but the Father (John 14:7-9), Son (John 1:34) and Holy Spirit (John 1:32) are all “seen.” Everyone here can place each of these three witnesses of “The Logos” in heaven. Christ speaks of “My Father who is IN HEAVEN” (Matt. 10:32+33) throughout the Four Gospels. Christ is the “Bread which comes down out OF HEAVEN” (John 6:50+51, etc.) and John the Baptist saw the Spirit coming down from heaven (John 1:32). Can we all agree that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all seen and found ‘IN HEAVEN?’ Okay then. What does Scripture say that cannot be broken?
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"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is IN HEAVEN above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.” Exodus 20:4.
If “God” cannot be contained by “heaven” or even the “highest heaven” (1Kings 8:27) AND has never been “seen” (John 1:18), then how can the three witnesses of “The Logos” IN HEAVEN and SEEN be the “one God” of the same verse (1Tim. 2:5) as the “one Mediator”???!!! Are we clear that worshipping ANYTHING other than “God” as “Deity” is what defines IDOLATRY? What kind of fate awaits those who replace the “one God” with the “one Mediator” of the same verse (Rev. 21:8)? The “one God” of Scripture is the “God” who sent His Only Begotten Son (The Word = F+S+HS) into this world to save sinners. John 3:16. Jesus is the “Lord” this creation ‘can’ contain and “His God and Father” (Rev. 1:6) is the “Only True God” (John 17:3) who raised Him (F+S+HS) from the dead! Many across the internet continue to defend the “Deity of Jesus,” while I defend the Deity of “His God and Father” (Rev. 1:6) “The Almighty.” Revelation 1:8. Our life is hidden with Christ where? Do you know?
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“Therefore if you have been raised up ‘with Christ’ (see Eph. 2:6 again with 2Cor. 5:16-17), keep seeking the things above, where Christ (F+S+HS) is, seated at the right hand of God (GTC, GWI, GWW). Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died and your life is hidden WITH CHRIST “in” God.” Colossians 3:1-3.
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Creation >> One of the students said that there were other cultures that had the same stories as the bible but with different names. And that there were other cultures that supposedly had a story about a messiah but said that his name wasn't Jesus but someone else.
One of those cultures practice Judaism and the Messiah is named “David” (Eze. 34:23-25) at his first installation and “David” (Eze. 37:24-28) in his “forever” installation. Jesus Christ is the “Lord” with a throne in heaven “at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty” (Heb. 8:1+2) with this earth as His footstool (Isa. 66:1). Other cultures know ‘David’ by names they have given him, because he is an incarnation of this entire universe as one single ‘man from God’ (John 1:6) who is Elijah (Matt. 11:14) AND “more than a prophet” (Matt. 11:9). He is the incarnation of our father Adam (Gen. 2:7) “IN” whom we all existed in his loins in the beginning.
Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the entire “The Word” (Heaven) Realm, while John the Baptist (Joshua, David, Elijah) is the incarnation of “The Earth” or this entire universe in one single man. Figure 2 shows how three witnesses (God, Word, Creation) became nine (GTC, GWI, GWW, F, S, HS, Hvs, Hvn, Eth) to make the original “Twelve” that came out of the “ONE” (God). Men are not authorized to replace the three witnesses of “The Almighty” with those of “The Word” (F,S,HS), because that amounts to nothing more that IDOLATRY. The wide road is the paved 12 lane superhighway traveled by the many to destruction, but the path to life is traveled by the few. Matt. 7:13-14.
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Creation >> So please please help me!!! I know that our Lord is the truth. But I need to know how to combat these kinds of questions.
While every word of my testimony is true and supported by God’s Living Word, our moderators stand in the precarious position of deciding if this message ever sees the Light of Day on this Board. If they are numbered among the many, then this message will only be read before God’s mighty angels at the Judgment. Therefore, your help is held very much in their hands. : 0 ).
In Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) even now,
Terral
Questioning and reasoning is only one part of what you are, only one part of how you develop.
It's a sign of emerging increasing wisdom that you have thoughts like "I know that there is a lot still to be known".
The ones who question you have questions themselves they don't have the answer to.
It's a good thing when you feel responsibility to answer them.
It may tell you sometimes not so much about what you know or don't know, but rather about how you are, that you feel a responsibility to find them an answer that will bring them clarity. That this matters to you.
Greets, Divinespark.
It's a sign of emerging increasing wisdom that you have thoughts like "I know that there is a lot still to be known".
The ones who question you have questions themselves they don't have the answer to.
It's a good thing when you feel responsibility to answer them.
It may tell you sometimes not so much about what you know or don't know, but rather about how you are, that you feel a responsibility to find them an answer that will bring them clarity. That this matters to you.
Greets, Divinespark.
QUOTE(Divinespark @ Feb 17 2007, 03:58 AM) [snapback]102439[/snapback]
Questioning and reasoning is only one part of what you are, only one part of how you develop.
It's a sign of emerging increasing wisdom that you have thoughts like "I know that there is a lot still to be known".
The ones who question you have questions themselves they don't have the answer to.
It's a good thing when you feel responsibility to answer them.
It may tell you sometimes not so much about what you know or don't know, but rather about how you are, that you feel a responsibility to find them an answer that will bring them clarity. That this matters to you.
Greets, Divinespark.
Or you can ask God for His Spirit and when you receive His Spirit you will know.
I know the word phrase for trinity developed in the third century after Christ, but the Trinity itself is inherent in redemption. There was God who created man. That was a two way relationship. But man fell, as God knew before the world began. Jesus was sent as the savior and mediator between God and man. That's three. God sent the Holy Spirit through the sacrifice of Christ for the redemption of man. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit together redeems man. That is a trinity.
I believe we only gave it the name in the third century, but it existed from the beginning.
Hope this helps.
I believe we only gave it the name in the third century, but it existed from the beginning.
Hope this helps.
QUOTE(Terral @ Dec 5 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]94441[/snapback]
While every word of my testimony is true and supported by God’s Living Word, our moderators stand in the precarious position of deciding if this message ever sees the Light of Day on this Board. If they are numbered among the many, then this message will only be read before God’s mighty angels at the Judgment. Therefore, your help is held very much in their hands. : 0 ).
In Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) even now,
Terral
Oh Terral , this is too dramatic. Just say what you must and do not speak in Christianese.
Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said: Behold, the man IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23. There fore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the gournd from whence he was taken.
24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Rev. 17:12-13
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ONE HOUR WITH THE BEAST.
13. These have ONE MIND, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them; for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings; and they that are with him are CALLED, and CHOSEN, and Faithful.
can't climb up another way...only through CHRIST JESUS, the LAMB OF GOD.
And the LORD God said: Behold, the man IS BECOME AS ONE OF US, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23. There fore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the gournd from whence he was taken.
24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Rev. 17:12-13
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings ONE HOUR WITH THE BEAST.
13. These have ONE MIND, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them; for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings; and they that are with him are CALLED, and CHOSEN, and Faithful.
can't climb up another way...only through CHRIST JESUS, the LAMB OF GOD.
QUOTE(Eagle @ Mar 15 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]105569[/snapback]
I know the word phrase for trinity developed in the third century after Christ, but the Trinity itself is inherent in redemption. There was God who created man. That was a two way relationship. But man fell, as God knew before the world began. Jesus was sent as the savior and mediator between God and man. That's three. God sent the Holy Spirit through the sacrifice of Christ for the redemption of man. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit together redeems man. That is a trinity.
I believe we only gave it the name in the third century, but it existed from the beginning.
Hope this helps.
God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Spirit and now Christ is Spirit. All three Spirits are one and the same. There are not three only one.
Mark 12
29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment.
1 Corinthians 6
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
John 4
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
I have no interest in entering discussions about the Trinity, rapture timing, tribulation timing, millenium etc ... I leave that to those far more intelligent than I, but in regard to the first and great commandment to Jew and Gentile ... Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One. Dt 6:4
It is my understanding that the Hebrew word for "One" is echad, and that this means a plural of one.
Such as ... they are as one. From memory, but I believe there is another Hebrew word for a singular "one".
Take that for what's its worth.
It is my understanding that the Hebrew word for "One" is echad, and that this means a plural of one.
Such as ... they are as one. From memory, but I believe there is another Hebrew word for a singular "one".
Take that for what's its worth.
QUOTE(calvin @ Mar 18 2007, 12:46 PM) [snapback]105870[/snapback]
I have no interest in entering discussions about the Trinity, rapture timing, tribulation timing, millenium etc ... I leave that to those far more intelligent than I, but in regard to the first and great commandment to Jew and Gentile ... Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One. Dt 6:4
It is my understanding that the Hebrew word for "One" is echad, and that this means a plural of one.
Such as ... they are as one. From memory, but I believe there is another Hebrew word for a singular "one".
Take that for what's its worth.
But then none of that is significant sense the Hebrew old testament was written in 600 to 1200 ad. This is when they took the Byzantine texts and some small fragments of ancient Hebrew and Chaldean texts (which no longer exist) and with the help of the Latin texts reestablished the Lost ability to read the Byzantine and Hebrew. What I have never understood is why they they thought it necessary to write the text down in the ancient languages that no one spoke any longer, at that time.
So the lexicons of those ancient languages are the scholars of 600 to 1200 AD's best guess.
If you want to know what truly happened in God's realm then ask the Lord for His Spirit and wait until you receive His Spirit.
Then your problem becomes convincing those on a forum about what is real and what is not.
It is much easier in person where you can display the power of the Spirit of God.
Then they don't question the knowledge that the Lord has given.
Displaying the Power of God across open space blindly can cause catastrophic consequences. For instance if someone is so frightened by it that they have a heart attack and die, in person, You can lift them back up. If you have done something over a long distance that creates the same effect they will die and stay dead.
God's loft,
I know little about the various texts and manuscripts.
Would it be your opinion that the Jews Masoretic text is unreliable?
I know little about the various texts and manuscripts.
Would it be your opinion that the Jews Masoretic text is unreliable?
QUOTE(calvin @ Mar 19 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]106027[/snapback]
God's loft,
I know little about the various texts and manuscripts.
Would it be your opinion that the Jews Masoretic text is unreliable?
Any text that leaves out the new testament does not have what you need to find God. Every new testament has the directions to where Christ and God are today and how to get in touch with them. God has made it so. The road map is complete where as the devil did not know enough to tamper with what he didn't see as important. So the example and the teachings are intact in every new testament translation. If you were to take a red letter edition and remove all of the black writing and just do what the example did and hear and believe and do what He said You will become like Him in no time at all. So the answer to your question is "in my opinion" "any text that does not lead you straight to the Living God is worthless".
So true Godsloft.
And another AMEN to that!
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