Jangel352
May 31 2006, 11:47 PM
(Old Testament)
Ex 15:20
Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took the timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
Jud 4:4
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, was judging Israel at that time.
2Ki 22:14
So Hilkiah the priest, Ahikam, Achbor, Shaphan, and Asaiah went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe. (She dwelt in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter.) And they spoke with her.
2Ch 34:22
So Hilkiah and those the king had appointed went to Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tokhath, the son of Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe. (She dwelt in Jerusalem in the Second Quarter.) And they spoke to her to that effect.
Ne 6:14
My God, remember Tobiah and Sanballat, according to these their works, and the prophetess Noadiah and the rest of the prophets who would have made me afraid.
Isa 8:3
Then I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. Then the Lord said to me, "Call his name Maher-Shalal-Hash-Baz;
(New Testamnet)
After Jesus etbalished the New Testamnet Church which began after the conversion of his first followers
Lu 2:36
Now there was one, Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity;
(After Jesus ascended to heaven)
Acts 18:25-26
This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. "When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately."(Priscilla was a female)
1 Corinthians:5 But every woman who prays or "prophesies" with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved
(In Conlusion )
When Paul says its shameful for a woman to speak in church is because wome in those days were not educated,and if they were to speak it would have caused confusion in the church. Which God is not the author of confusion.
Mary Madalene's call and election:
Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men. 5 But the angel answered and said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 ( And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead), and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you." 8 So they went out quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to bring His disciples word. 9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, "Rejoice!" So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me."
Miki
Jun 1 2006, 05:56 AM
Thanks for posting the particulars. Women have spoke on behalf of the Lord for a long time. She is man's help mate...And l don't mean doing dishes.
However the greatest serves...
Pastor and Prophet are two different offices..
As a women, I like having a man at the helm.
Jangel352
Jun 1 2006, 08:17 AM
[quote=Miki,Jun 1 2006, 05:56 AM]
Thanks for posting the particulars. Women have spoke on behalf of the Lord for a long time. She is man's help mate...And l don't mean doing dishes.
However the greatest serves...
Pastor and Prophet are two different offices..
As a women, I like having a man at the helm.
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Its not the differences in offices that I'm refuting ,but the saying that we are not to speak in church. That's not so possible if a woman has to cover head to prophecy. The word says prophecy is the greater gift.
Jangel352
Jun 1 2006, 08:24 AM
I also like being under the auothority of a man! No doubt its just. I am pursuing ministry and people say all the time you may be more annoited than your husband if that's Gods will then so be it,but I much rather have him be the more annoited.
LightInADarkPlace
Jun 1 2006, 09:05 AM
Hello, I have understood the woman to be the soulish part of a person and the man to be the Christ mind. The Scripture is teaching that a person (man or woman) is not to preach out of the soulish or carnal nature of man, that the words of life are from the Christ mind within. IMHO.
Miki
Jun 1 2006, 09:07 AM
I'd beware of compliments...
c-los medrano
Jun 1 2006, 09:08 AM
[quote=Jangel352,Jun 1 2006, 08:24 AM]
I also like being under the auothority of a man! No doubt its just. I am pursuing ministry and people say all the time you may be more annoited than your husband if that's Gods will then so be it,but I much rather have him be the more annoited.
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How is one more annointed than another?
you go to church and understand things while he doesn't?
noname
Jun 11 2006, 06:18 AM
Sisters (and Brothers too),
God is not subject to any laws, rules, traditions, etc. He is a loving God and a righteous One. God will do whatever he wants. God has chosen women to be prophets, apostles, pastors or teachers. But, let us remember that it is not by the appointing of man but of the Holy Spirit alone through the chief apostle in the Church that they are chosen. And it is only for the benefit of God's Will through the Church we are chosen. Also no veils, etc are needed to cover women's heads in Church but only their long hair as a covering to glorify God. Let us also know that just as Jesus Christ and His Church are Holy so likewise a man and his wife are. Before marriage there must never be pre-marital sex otherwise there can be no holiness(no testimony of Christ and the Church(bride) thus no marriage in the Church. Also Brothers and Sisters must sit separately in the Church and no gossipping. All must be done decently and in order as the Holy Spirit leads. God has no need for schools for people to learn how to be a pastor, apostle, etc. They shall be revealed through the Holy Spirit (just as God is Spirit). Did Apostle Paul go to apostle school? Did Philip or Titus or Barnubus?? God bless you Sisters.
ingraceigo
Jun 13 2006, 10:18 AM
[quote=noname,Jun 11 2006, 06:18 AM]
Sisters (and Brothers too),
God is not subject to any laws, rules, traditions, etc. He is a loving God and a righteous One. God will do whatever he wants. God has chosen women to be prophets, apostles, pastors or teachers. But, let us remember that it is not by the appointing of man but of the Holy Spirit alone through the chief apostle in the Church that they are chosen. And it is only for the benefit of God's Will through the Church we are chosen. Also no veils, etc are needed to cover women's heads in Church but only their long hair as a covering to glorify God. Let us also know that just as Jesus Christ and His Church are Holy so likewise a man and his wife are. Before marriage there must never be pre-marital sex otherwise there can be no holiness(no testimony of Christ and the Church(bride) thus no marriage in the Church. Also Brothers and Sisters must sit separately in the Church and no gossipping. All must be done decently and in order as the Holy Spirit leads. God has no need for schools for people to learn how to be a pastor, apostle, etc. They shall be revealed through the Holy Spirit (just as God is Spirit). Did Apostle Paul go to apostle school? Did Philip or Titus or Barnubus?? God bless you Sisters.
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I have to say, while I appreciate your opinions, and I agree with you that gossip is sinful, and premarital sex is wrong, I don't for one minute believe it is wrong to sit next to a brother in church at all. I have never seen scripture that says this. Obviously a woman is expected to dress and speak modestly, however, that does not mean in my opinion that she is to have no contact with men, especially in a house of God. I don't recall (and correct me if I am wrong) Jesus demanding seperate audiences when he shared his teachings.
As well, I personally believe that furthering a person's education and understanding of biblical scripture is also important. The holy spirit can work just as well through guiding a student to a fuller understanding along with physical teachings. Those you speak of were fortunate enough to have the teachings from Jesus, in today's world, we have others who assist in this. God has given these holy people the gift of prophesy and the gifts of teaching and I believe we are to utilize those things that are from God.
c-los medrano
Jun 13 2006, 02:17 PM
[quote=laurel,Jun 13 2006, 12:36 PM]
the bible says to study and show your self approved rightly dividing the word of g-d...i have seen way to many try to lead and not be able to give account...i think we should look at ourselfs and make sere that that isnt stuff wrong with with us first befor we point our fingers at our sisters and sin....becarful not to get leagulistice and than put us back under the laws of the old covenant so as to mok what jesus set us free from....dont be like the ones that seeked to killed our lord.
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Pamela
Jun 13 2006, 02:51 PM
[quote=noname,Jun 11 2006, 06:18 AM]
Sisters (and Brothers too),
God is not subject to any laws, rules, traditions, etc. He is a loving God and a righteous One. God will do whatever he wants. God has chosen women to be prophets, apostles, pastors or teachers. But, let us remember that it is not by the appointing of man but of the Holy Spirit alone through the chief apostle in the Church that they are chosen. And it is only for the benefit of God's Will through the Church we are chosen. Also no veils, etc are needed to cover women's heads in Church but only their long hair as a covering to glorify God. Let us also know that just as Jesus Christ and His Church are Holy so likewise a man and his wife are. Before marriage there must never be pre-marital sex otherwise there can be no holiness(no testimony of Christ and the Church(bride) thus no marriage in the Church. Also Brothers and Sisters must sit separately in the Church and no gossipping. All must be done decently and in order as the Holy Spirit leads. God has no need for schools for people to learn how to be a pastor, apostle, etc. They shall be revealed through the Holy Spirit (just as God is Spirit). Did Apostle Paul go to apostle school? Did Philip or Titus or Barnubus?? God bless you Sisters.
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[/quote]"Also brothers and sisters must sit seperately in the Church?????"
Can you please point out any of the teachings where this states this in the Bible.
As Ingraceigo has pointed out some of what you said does hold merit, but this one is not one of them...
gregg
Jun 13 2006, 03:37 PM
Think about the brain. Use your brain to think about the brain you are thinking from. Now, think about what you do when you are thinking from the the brain you are thinking from. It really gets annoying when you realize how the brain has been kept divided. Sure, it is a natural thing to have a divided brain, but it is unnatural to use only 10% of the brain, or so the studies say and it is obvious that there is something that is pounding mankind down into the ground. It is written, 'I will crush satan under your feet soon.' We are going down to the dust of the earth and there is no way to stop it. It is not a judgement that we can escape. Children born now have their parents mind to build from. A mind made up of things like computers, cars, houses, dogs, cats, wars, tanks, guns, etc. What can they do with these things that is different than what was done time after time before? It is not something that can be fixed. It will as it has been in times past be covered over with burning hot lava, like Krakatoa, and the earth will start again. The axis will shift. After thousands of years, we will again have Eden. If we don't do what the Catholic church has done and burn all of the books, Hell will start right along with it.
With man there is a division called woman. There was no creature led in front of Adam that could help with what Adam was to do. All of the animals have a carnal NATURE. Eve was from the carnal Nature. WOMAN is not. Woman was from the NATURE of man. Man was formed in the image and likeness of God. Eve shared the NATURE of the beast. How did she come to have the NATURE of the beast? The beast will not tell you. Saying that woman should keep silent in the church probably means that she knows something that the man should not.
BernieEOD
Jul 1 2006, 02:40 PM
I am open to a female Pastor as long as she is Biblcially correct in her preachings.
Unfortunately, every female Poator / preacher has been a modern day Jezabel.
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