Hi folks, I have noticed that in many posts I read, the spelling of God is being written as G-d. Scripturally this is not profitable for those publishing in this manner. When proclaiming God to be the auther of the things you write (as we should all be led by the Holy Spirit in the things we share with one another) there is an anointing upon our message.

Let us publish "God" as "God" and magnify Him.

De 32: Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

De 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

De 32:3 BECAUSE I WILL PUBLISH THE NAME OF THE LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.


In Him
Traveller

I say God.
at least capitalize the "g."

I agree with this Traveller. If we can call Him Papa, then surely we can write His name.

The name of God in the Old Testament is Jehovah.
The name of Jesus in the New Testament is Immanuel.
Immanuel is the son of Jehovah.
Duh, yall wake up!

Well, since I am one of those who choose to write G-d, as opposed to the full word, I will attempt to explain why I do so. Sorry Jack, as you suggested, it is NOT a grab for attention. Shame on you for making such an assumption! Now, as to WHY I choose to write His name as G-d...


He is SOOO precious to me. I am so very thankful for Him...for the sacrifice He made for ME...little ol' me. I am thankful to Him for all He gives, and has given to me. Because I love Him so much, I only want to ever honor Him. I (as we all do) fall far short, no doubt. However, because His name is so dear and precious to me, I would rather write G-d (the message is gotten across, and everyone knows who is referred to by it), than to write it fully, and then later potentially have to erase it. Or tear it apart. Etc. Make sense? If not, then that's fine...as I have stated clearly, it is a choice...I would certainly hope no one would be so full of themselves to suggest that my choosing to revere His name is wrong.

Sweetheart, I understand your awe. But I have two things that confuse me about the logic. First, that is not His name. God is, basically, a verb. At best, it replaces His most perfect name and almost erases it...like putting an X before Christmas (which my Nanny threw fits over when I was a child).

Which leade me me to the second confusion. If our Lord Jesus and the Father are so very precious, and you understand what a precious thing was done for you, then it is important to accept it as the pure, undeserved thing it is. 1) yes, undeserved and 2) a gift to accept.

The apostles and the wonderful men of the Bible understood how precious God is and that His forgiveness is so perfect that He does not remember our sins and takes us as His children. They called Him Father and Jehovah, by His very name, because they desried to accept what he offered...a personal relationship.

I don't think you can get too close to God. I do not think the prophets and apostles before us sinned when they called Him by name. I believe Him when He says call on the name of Jehovah and call on the name of Jesus and all those called by my name....I believe He wants us to be that close.

I am not offended, nor do I presume to know any of us to know why things are done until I am told. But I do so hope you can open your arms and use His name one day with joy and relaxation. Becasue I love you as my sister.

leia

Beautiful and done in the spirit of love. I couldn't have said it better myself.

PraisingYeshua...

I must share something with you that relates to this subject.

I was adopted when I was five years old. Before this, I moved from foster home to foster home and lived through some horrible experiences.

As I grew into a young adult, I never knew how much these years effected me. I prided myself in the fact that I never had the "woe is me" approach to my early years.

However, when I gave my life to Jesus, slowly and gently the Holy Spirit started showing me areas I had put up walls in personal relationships- and thus was putting up walls with even the Father Himself.

Deep down, I have a fear of being myself. I fear that people won't like me. I feel that I need to "earn" acceptance from others. Finally, I am terrified of abandonment.

JUST YESTERDAY, I was worshipping in the car and I was thinking about Papa. It was extremely hard for me to begin calling Him that. There is almost a level of TRUST that I had to get at to be able to even utter those intimate words. But, I cried, and admitted to Him that I was scared that if I messed up, that He wouldn't love me any more. That I was afraid He wasn't proud of me. That I was afraid He'd abandon me.

I know what the Word says- that He'll NEVER leave me nor forsake me. I also know that I've been adopted into the family of God. That word- adopted- means MORE to me than perhaps others. I have great parents, and I was adopted on earth just as I was in heaven when I confessed Christ.

After I confessed these things to Daddy, I heard Him say softly and lovingly, "I love you MY DAUGHTER." Even though I had a WRONG view (even after reading and hearing all His promises for a long time), Papa did not condemn me. I saw a picture of me sitting at His feet and then saw Him gently playing with my hair. It was personal (I love my hair played with) and a Valentine sent from above.

Oh what an awesome Lord we serve.

I say all of this and give all this background to say that SOMETIMES our view of God is very closely related to the way we view relationships with people (particularly parents/our earthly Fathers). I am not 100% healed, and I perhaps won't be until I am in glory- but slowly God has been uncovering deep set fears and my misconceptions of Him and His character.

Abba LOVES you and desires nothing more than YOU. I have come to believe that He DESIRES our candor and honest expressions of what we are feeling- even if what we are thinking/feeling it is not holy and pure. Heck, you might as well be blunt because He knows what we are thinking anyway. This kind of relationship seems more personal than G-d. He's CLOSER than a BROTHER and more intimate and caring than your MOTHER. He KNOWS you head to toe and LOVES you with RIVERS of love.

I don't know if anything I said makes any sense to anyone, but I just felt led to share.

Thank you both for your specific replies, however, I just have to point out, that we all know there are many names for our Father...and I do not use any of them casually, because of the same reasons I have stated above. Why write something that could inadverdantly...or even intentionally...be defaced or destroyed by another, or printed out, and then absent-mindedly thrown into the garbage? I make no apologies for considering His many names as Holy as He is. What I am rather certain of, is that My choosing to hold His names in as a high a reverence as I hold Him, does not limit my closeness with Him. Truly...is it any different than the common practice of capitalizing any word we call Him by?

Read Deuteronomy 12:3-4; we are essentially told not to destroy His name.

Traveller,
I read this yesterday and thought about it a while, and I really think you have a very valid point about publishing the name of the Lord.

I understand people's fear that somebody else will take what they have typed and desecrate it, but if everybody was worried about that, and if God himself were worried about that, there would never have been any Bibles printed. If somebody DOES desecrate what you've typed, it's still only a piece of paper and does no harm to God himself.

I think also publishing the name means that we need to get out and talk to people and share the gospel, the good news about Christ. We publish it with our mouths.

There's a lot of dispute over what the correct name is, and over whether God is choosy about which name we call Him, because there are several names in the Bible, but I think most of all, He wants us to call Him--call ON Him.

I don't think it's a call for attention (shame, shame, Jack! ), and I understand the desire to keep the name sacred, but also I agree with the point that God is a title, not a name. And "G-d" is standing in the place of "God" anyway, so it's the same thing--you've written the same idea, and the person understands the same thing, so I don't understand what is saved with using the dash.

If you've written a sacred thought about God and somebody burns it, it doesn't make much difference whether the thought was expressed with one form or another--they still desecrated something about the same subject. You can't really protect Him by using a code name of sorts. It almost makes it stand out even more so that the person would wonder why it wasn't just written out. I've heard that way of writing the name actually mocked, which is the opposite of what you want to see happen.

PY and anybody else who writes it that way, I'm not trying to criticize you at all--I'm just weighing in on the subject. I completely understand the desire to keep His name sacred out of love and respect for Him. For me, so far that means not taking it in vain, and not using it tons. I've heard prayers where every other word was "Lord," and to me, that's overuse and not keeping it sacred. Ok, y'all dogpile me now and leave PY alone!

LOL!! Oh, bless your heart shy1!! YK I love ya! I really am astounded that so many are up in a tither about this. I have made it evident that it is a choice, and gave reasoning twice now as to why. I will continue to type His name that way, and the only thing I can suggest is no one HAS to read my postings. I'm a big girl...I can take it if my posts only get a reply or two.

Shy, they will have to go through me first to try and dogpile on you sweety! Anyway, just a thought before I turn in...for the night. The Hebrew alphabet has no vowell's in it, and I think those that come from the Jewish background have every right to respect and be respected for the way in which they choose to write the name of GOD. So with that said, I also respect those that choose to call GOD by any of HIS Names as long as it is respected and respectful.

Hannah and Praising Yeshua can correct me if I am wrong...

LORD bless you all!

You go girl!!!!!

You are fully correct Tig...with one small tiny detail. I am not Jewish. (I am not convinced He ever intended for us to give up the sabbaths, feasts, etc, but that's another post, for another day. ) I think that ANYONE has every right to respect, and be respected for the way they choose to write His name...as long as it is respected and respectful. Bless your heart for "getting it". Yanno I you too!

I never knew that about you PY...but, that is okay; that it is okay, with you too. Okay, I am tired! Not making any sense now...

Some days it feels like I'm running around without all my marbles. I knew that about the vowels, but it slipped my mind. That happens when you don't have enough brain cells to hold stuff up there! Thanks for the reminder and for stuffing that back up into my brain! Love you! (All of you!)
Debbie

ROFLMBOOO!! The way I see it, is I bared all, for G-d and everyone's mother's uncle when I had a hospital birth...still curious as to who some of those were that did cervical checks ...if someone has an issue with how I write His name...well, it is their issue. Doesn't mean I have to share their viewpoint. KWIM Jellybean?

Common now, you have a brain and lots of good stuff floating about in there... I suffer from brain drain too ya know! Hate it too! me too to you both!

Yep, I know exactly what you mean! And excuse my while I scrape myself up from the floor laughing! Having had SIX hospital births and more cervical checks by more people and their aunts and uncles than I care to count . . . and where were we going with this?!

Just wanted to add that I DO love all who have voiced opinion on this...we'll just have to agree to disagree. Gonna go have some fish and coleslaw now, tyvm.

No reply... Yep that is a modesty removing event in any woman's lifetime!

You don't show any signs of brain drain--I should have HALF of your brain! (Are you giving donations?!)

AWE, how sweet, but really you wouldn't want my brain! ROFL it is about mush by this time of night anyway. I am getting silly too!

I've got to get my kids in bed, after I see what else gets posted once people get past the stupid flood control!

So...you relate?







I think, basically, just that it takes a whole lot more than someone disagreeing with my choices, to get my knickers in a knot?? Although...hrm...never tried knotted knickers...might like them! I'll start that thread tomorrow.

Knotted Knickers huh? Okay I must go to bed, but I am laughing too hard!

AAAAAAAAAAARGH! Refresh...refresh...refresh...*sigh* Off to have my fish now.


you both!

But first...a word of advice...smile insanely...people will think you're nuts.

okay, what was the subject again.... (really had a great time tonight...thanks Shy and PY, I needed a good laugh and stress relief...AND, Knicker knockers, say that three times fast!)

....okay, backing away from the puter and returning it to the subject matter of; Editing a post in Publish The Name Of The Lord, sorry for getting off topic too....

Y'all are nuts......

leia

I'm confused. I guess in whatever manner you felt led to share here in written word, and through the Holy Spirit is all that is important.
And of course at times when we exhalt the LORD...a term I might add I use often...readers can use there own discernment, and may also doubt you are writting the word in sincerity. But only God knows our hearts and the intentions of our hearts when we testify here.

If wanting as I do to get closer in a relationship with Jesus daily...what name shall I use to exhalt him or write here or talk to him...I'm sure he wouldn't appreciate a HEY YOU up there..... He calles us friend.
I'm just learning to comunicate with him more and more and now this subject has got me thinking, maybe I shouldn't exhalt his name here publically....But then again I know the enemy hates us praising Jesus.
So where do you draw the line?

I know there is a verse in the Bible that says something about the enemy trying to keep his Holy Name unspoken...and we all know there is POWER in his Name...maybe another topic could be started about the Power of his Name?

be approved of God....not man.

WOW!! Your entire post was full of discernment...beautiful...but I especially wanted to shout out a HUGE AMEN to these comments!! Beyond well stated!

admit it I'm your favorite poster...

OK, now that you agreed with me I will....

god's blesssing to you all...always

Read the Preface in your bible and it will tell you what name is supposed to be written everywhere most bibles has LORD written.

i found this online-

Exodus 3:15-AV And Elohim said moreover to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me to you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial to all generations.

15 God said further to Moshe, "Say this to the people of Isra'el: 'Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [ADONAI], the God of your fathers, the God of Avraham, the God of Yitz'chak and the God of Ya'akov, has sent me to you.'This is my name forever; this is how I am to be remembered generation after generation.


Commentary on Bible Prefaces

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Before we begin it must be understood that our English bibles are not the original language in which scriptures were written. I sometimes talk to people who don't understand this very basic principle, but it is totally true. The King James Version was the first major translation into English and was created approximately 1600 years after Yahushua the Messiah came to earth.

Most all translations in various languages have chosen to replace the name "Yahweh" with another title or name of their choice, usually "the LORD" or "GOD" in all capital letters. The following is a commentary on the various prefaces and introductions which explain their reasoning for removing the Heavenly Father's name from English bibles. Let's start with the ever popular NIV...
New International Version - Preface
"In regard to the divine name YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragrammaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions...

This statement runs true in the majority of modern English translations. The primary reasoning for replacing the name of Yahweh with something else is 'tradition'. In other words, "As long as everyone else does it, it must be okay".
..of rendering that name as "LORD" in capital letters to distinguish it from adonai, another Hebrew word rendered "Lord" for which small letters are used.
We can see already that replacing the name "Yahweh" with "The LORD" presents a major problem. What do they do when there is a legitimate use of the title "Lord/Master" in the original text? It might be confusing to the reader as to whether it is speaking of a human lord/master or Yahweh.

So what to do? Their solution is to make the "Adonai" source in small letters and where the name of Yahweh exists, they'll put capital letters! In other words, if it reads "Adonai (lord/master)" In the original they will translate it as "lord" or "Lord". But if it says "Yahweh" in the original, they will render it as "LORD" in all capital letters. I doubt that half the people who read the scriptures even realizes they are doing this.

Wherever the two names stand together in the Old Testament as a compound name for God, they are rendered "Sovereign LORD.""
Now we see that a more complicated problem arises. There are instances in scripture that the Hebrew reads "Adonai Yahweh" or "Lord/Master Yahweh". If they were to put "Lord" where Yahweh exists in the original, they would have to translate the passage as "Lord the LORD"! So they translated it as "Sovereign LORD" to avoid confusion. Amazing what people will do to serve tradition and reject what Yahweh has placed in scripture!

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Today's English Version - Preface
Following an ancient tradition,
Again, tradition is the reason.
begun by the first translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (the Septuagint) and followed by the vast majority of English translations, the distinctive Hebrew name for God (usually transliterated Jehovah or Yahweh), is in this translation represented by "LORD." When Adonai, normally translated "Lord," occurs preposed to Yahweh, the combination is rendered by the phrase "Sovereign LORD."
So the "Today's English Version" uses the same renderings as the NIV. All on the basis of following the others.

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Revised English Bible - Introduction to the Old Testament
The divine name (YHWH in Hebrew characters) was probably pronounced 'Yahweh',
One excuse some use for not keeping Yahweh's name in the text is that they aren't sure His name is really pronounced "Yahweh". But if a translator ever admitted that His name was definitely pronounced 'Yahweh' I'm sure they would have to answer for why they don't translate it as such. Not much motivation for seeking the truth? Maybe they really don't want to know that His name really is pronounced "Yahweh"?
but the name was regarded as ineffable, too sacred to be pronounced.
Yes, this was the doctrine that got this whole idea started. But Yahweh says:
Jere 10:25a Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name..
and...
Joel 2:32a And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the YAHWEH shall be delivered..
How can anyone call on His name if it is hidden away by superstitious doctrines?
The Massoretes, therefore, wrote in the vowel signs of the alternative words adonai ('Lord') or elohim ('God') to warn readers to use one of these in its place.
The Massoretes were who copied and preserved the Hebrew scriptures from scroll to scroll down through the ages. They added 'vowel signs/pointings' to the Hebrew text (which was primarily all consonants) so the language would be preserved. But when they came to the name of Yahweh, they inserted alternative vowel pointings so that the reader would not speak the name of Yahweh but say "adonai" (lord) instead. So we can see that through the ages, there has been a conspiracy to hide the name of Yahweh Almighty despite what Yahweh says in His word about how we should praise, exalt, bless, love, teach, preach, anoint, assemble, believe, give thanks, honor and call on His name.
Where the divine name occurs in the Hebrew text, this has been signalled in The Revised English Bible by using capital letters for 'LORD' or 'GOD', a widely accepted practice.
Since it is 'widely accepted', it must be truth and acceptable to do? Not according to Yahushua! He said the way to life is a narrow way.
Matt 7:14 (NKJV) "Because narrow [is] the gate and difficult [is] the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

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American Standard Version - Preface
"I. The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.
Now with some reservation I would almost have to admire those who translated the American Standard 1901 version. They at least tried to restore some truth (even though they knew it would be unwelcome) and reject the ridiculous tradition of hiding and substituting the name of Yahweh from the common reader. But then as we read on...

This Memorial Name, explained in Ex. iii. 14,15 and emphasized as such over and over in the original text of the Old Testament, designates God as the Personal God, as the covenant God, the God of Revelation, the Deliverer, the Friend of his people; --- not merely the abstractly "Eternal One" of many French translations, but the ever living Helper of those who are in trouble. This personal name, with its wealth of sacred associations, is now restored to the place in the sacred text to which it has an unquestionable claim."
Sounds great so far! They can see that the scriptures do place importance on His name..over and over and over... But if you read the translation you will see that they insert the false "Jehovah" rendering that was used a total of 4 times in the King James Version! But most every scholar knows that "Jehovah" is a falsification of Yahweh's name! Click here for more information on this! http://www.eliyah.com/jhovah.htm

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Revised Standard Version - Preface
Now here is the preface that really bothers me the most.
"A major departure from the practice of the American Standard Version is the rendering of the Divine Name, the "Tetragrammaton."
The Revised Standard Version translators have chosen not only to depart from the practice of the ASV translators but to berate them as well. It is in one way justified in that the ASV chose the name "Jehovah" instead of "Yahweh".
The American Standard Version used the term "Jehovah"; the King James Version had employed this in four places, but everywhere else, except in three cases where it was employed as part of a proper name, used the English word LORD (or in certain cases GOD) printed in capitals. The present revision returns to the procedure of the King James Version, which follows the precedent of the ancient Greek and Latin translators and the long established practice in the reading of the Hebrew scriptures in the synagogue.
So here we go with this 'long standing tradition' routine again. I'm not sure why they cannot see where Yahushua told the scribes and pharisees on various occasions:
Mark 7:9 He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of Yahweh, that you may keep your tradition.
While it is almost if not quite certain that the Name was originally pronounced "Yahweh",
Again, they wouldn't dare admit that they are totally certain. However it is totally certain that His name is not pronounced "The Lord".
(While it is almost if not quite certain that the Name was originally pronounced "Yahweh",)..this pronunciation was not indicated when the Masoretes added vowel signs to the consonantal Hebrew text.
Of course not, they favored tradition over commandments!
To the four consonants YHWH of the Name, which had come to be regarded as too sacred to be pronounced, they attached vowel signs indicating that in its place should be read the Hebrew word Adonai meaning "Lord" (or Elohim meaning "God"). The ancient Greek translators substituted the word Kyrios (Lord) for the Name. The Vulgate likewise used the Latin word Dominus. The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin.
They even share how this idea of substituting His name got started. It amazes me that some will follow the Jewish tradition that breaks the commandment of Yahweh but they'll ignore the Jew's examples of where they actually do keep the Torah/Law of Yahweh!
For two reasons the Committee has returned to the more familiar usage of the King James Version: (1) the word "Jehovah" does not accurately present any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew; and
Ahh! Notice how they conveniently forget to mention why they reject the name "Yahweh" in their 'reasons'!
(2) the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom He had to be distinguished, was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church."
Who are they to decide what is appropriate for one's faith?? Their job is to translate, not decide what we are to believe! This statement is a sad commentary of how far some have gone from the scriptures. Not only do they say why they have chosen to replace Yahweh's name with a title of their choosing but they also state that 'use of any proper name...is entirely inappropriate!' Amazing! Who invented the idea of having a name of our Creator? Is it not Yahweh Himself?? Is Yahweh also 'entirely inappropriate' for placing His name there in scripture over 6000 times?? Are they saying indeed that the one whom they claim to worship is 'entirely inappropriate' for placing His name there? Oh my! They say it is 'entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.' Why have a different substitution for the name "Yahweh" in each language? Would it not be more 'universal' to use ONE NAME? Yahweh has said:
Mala 1:11a (NKJV) For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles..
Why have they falsified our Creator's name and condemned Yahweh for putting it there originally? It is just sad.

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New King James Version - Word study on Exodus 3:15 (New Open Bible)
Now I do like this word study. Even though the NKJV translators followed the traditions of the elders and forsook the idea of keeping Yahweh's name in the text, whoever wrote this word study is very frank about what actually is taking place.
Exodus 3 records one of the greatest revelations in the Old Testament: the personal name of God. (The words translated God in our Bible [El, Elohim, Eloah] are not names, but the standard vocabulary for the Deity and even for false gods.
God told Moses His plan to use him in delivering the Israelites from Egyptian bondage, and Moses had asked whom He should tell the people had sent him. God answered Moses: "I AM WHO I AM." He told Moses to tell them the "I AM" had sent him, "the LORD God." "I AM" and "LORD" are both probably derived from the Hebrew verb to be (hayah) because God is the ever-present One, "the Eternal" (Moffatt translation).
Many people are puzzled that in this and many other (over six thousand!) passages some Bibles read LORD in all capitals (e.g., KJV, NKJV, NIV), some read "Jehovah" (ASV, DARBY), and some read "Yahweh" (Jerusalem Bible). Why such a radical difference? Do the manuscripts vary that much? No, not at all.
Because the name of God is so important---Jews devoutly refer to Him as "the Name" (ha Shem)---it is well worth exploring this revelation in some detail. It is merely a question of a Jewish tradition and how various Christian Scholars handle that tradition.
In the Ten Commandments, God forbids taking His name "in vain". That is, we should not bear false witness in oaths and probably should avoid using profanity, as well. In their great fear of violating this command, devout Hebrews went beyond the law, and when they read the Hebrew Scriptures aloud they would read the word Lord (Adonai) whenever they saw the four letters (YHWH, or traditionally JHVH in Latin pronunciation) that spelled out God's revealed covenant name. This was the sacred name by which He had committed Himself to Israel as a nation.
The most ancient copies of the Hebrew text were written in consonants only.
Actually there are some semi-vowels..as any good book on Hebrew grammar will tell you.
As the language became less and less used, scholars (call Masoretes) added little dots and dashes called "vowel points" to indicate how the text was to be pronounced. Oddly enough, they put the vowels that go with the word Adonai together with the sacred four letter name (called "tetragrammaton") to guide the readers to say Adonai aloud in synagogue services.
Jehovah
This is the origin of the name "Jehovah." It is actually a hybrid name, combining the vowels of Adonai with the consonants of YHWH into JeHoVaH or YeHoWaH (the "a" of Adonai is changed for reasons of Hebrew pronunciation). The people who produced this name were medieval Christian Hebrew Scholars; the Jews never acknowledged such a name. The defense of this Christian hybrid is the same as the defense of the Jewish avoidance of pronouncing the name---tradition!
No surprise there. (I didn't add the "!")
There are many lovely hymns and paraphrases of the Psalms that use this name, so it would be a loss to eliminate it from our Christian vocabulary.
Choose 'what seems right to a man' over the truth? (See the study on the name "Jehovah") http://www.eliyah.com/jhovah.htm
The poetical form of Jehovah is Jah
Yahweh -
It is very likely that the name was pronounced very much like "Yahweh." Comparisons with transliterations of the name into other alphabets from very ancient times confirm this. The best argument for the spelling is that it is probably the historically accurate.
Thank you.
However, the RSV's 1952 introduction explained its reason for rejecting "Yahweh" in the translation. It said that it lacks devotional qualities for English-speaking Christians. It is true that many names beginning with "Y" seem odd to our culture (all the names in English --- including Jesus---were pronounced with a Y sound, in the original, as in "hallelu-Yah").
Just totally amazing...
LORD
Most recent major English Bibles, dissatisfied with both Jehovah and Yahweh, have retained the KJV's LORD (the 1901 text read Jehovah.)
Oh but Yahweh is certainly dissatisfied with THEM. They have failed to take in account something very important to HIM.

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The following is a summary of the excuses that they have used for their refusing to insert the true name Yahweh.

It's used in most English versions
We're following an ancient tradition
The word "Jehovah" does not accurately present any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew (What about "Yahweh"??)
Use of any proper name...is entirely inappropriate
It lacks devotional qualities
Amongst all these reasons, is there not something missing here?
YES, it is something that they have gone over painstakingly word for word! Something called THE WORD OF YAHWEH. Not once did they quote a scripture to back up their excuses!
We have heard the excuses, now let's see what Yahweh's word has to say about His name:
1Kings 18:24-AV And call ye on the name of your elohim, and I will call on the name of Yahweh: and the Elohim that answereth by fire, let him be Elohim. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
Now I would like to touch on something ironic here. If you haven't read this story of Mt. Carmel, go to your scriptures and read it now or click here to read it. http://www.eliyah.com/Scripture/books/1ki18.htm
This is the prophet EliYah (Elijah) speaking these words. He said "call ye on the name of your elohim, and I will call on the name of Yahweh". What was the name of their elohim? It is BAAL. What is amazing here is that Baal means "Lord" in Hebrew! Here is is Brown's Driver/Briggs Lexicon on this Hebrew name of "Baal".
01168 Ba`al {bah'-al}
the same as 01167; TWOT - 262a
AV - Baal 62, Baalim 18; 80
Baal = "lord"
n pr m
1) supreme male divinity of the Phoenicians or Canaanites
2) a Reubenite
3) the son of Jehiel and grandfather of Saul
n pr loc
4) a town of Simeon, probably identical to Baalath-beer
There is your proof. What is sad is that the translators RETAINED the name of the idol Baal but REJECTED the name of the true Mighty One of the Scriptures!
Continuing with our scriptures..Yahweh said:
Isai 42:8 I am YAHWEH, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.
Mala 2:2 If you will not hear, And if you will not take it to heart, To give glory to My name," Says YAHWEH of hosts, "I will send a curse upon you, And I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already, Because you do not take it to heart.
Psal 105:1 Oh, give thanks to YAHWEH! Call upon His name; Make known His deeds among the peoples!
Psalms 116:17- I will offer to thee the sacrifice of thanksgiving, and will call upon the name of YAHWEH.
Isai 12:4 And in that day you will say: "Praise YAHWEH, call upon His name; Declare His deeds among the peoples, Make mention that His name is exalted.
Zechariah 13:9- And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, Yahweh is my Elohim.
This is only a small sampling of the hundreds of scriptures that tell us of the importance of His name. I invite you to consider these others by clicking here. http://eliyah.com/names.html
In conclusion it is very evident that Yahweh's name is important to Him but it apparently was not important to those who have translated His word into the English language. Therefore we must make every effort when we see His name substituted in our scriptures to restore them back as we read them. We cannot change what has already been done but we can zealously return to the faith which was once delivered to the saints.

http://www.eliyah.com/compref.html

Is a name important?

If this is new to you, this may come as a bit of a shock. But it is true and verifiable. Man has altered the name of the Heavenly Father and His Messiah. Perhaps names aren't very important in the modern world, but in the scriptures we can find that they are very important. Read the below studies to find out just how important a name truly is.

Yahweh, the Name of the Heavenly Father

Importance of using the Name Yahweh - A huge list of scriptures declaring the importance of the Heavenly Father's Name.
http://www.eliyah.com/yhwhidx.html

Commentary on Bible Prefaces. - Bible Prefaces reveal their reasons for taking the Father's name out of your bible.
http://www.eliyah.com/compref.html
En Español
http://www.eliyah.com/comprefsp.html

The truth about the third commandment - What does it mean to take Yahweh's name in vain? RealAudio version | MP3 version (5.8MB)
http://www.eliyah.com/names.html

Why I proclaim the name of Yahweh. - A study on the importance of calling upon the Heavenly Father's name. Some questions answered.
http://www.eliyah.com/name.html
En Español http://www.eliyah.com/namesp.html

Click here to find why His name is pronounced Yahweh - Can we know how His name is pronounced?
http://www.eliyah.com/proof.htm

The name Yahweh in the 2000 year old Dead Sea Scrolls! - Ancient testimony of the name Yahweh.
http://www.eliyah.com/yhwhdss.html

Tetragrammaton found in earliest copies of the Septuagint! - Manuscripts showing that Yahweh's name was originally in the Septuagint, an ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament.
http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html

But I don't speak Hebrew, I speak English! - Why men of all languages and nations must call upon the name of Yahweh.
http://www.eliyah.com/hebname.html

What about Jehovah? - Is Jehovah actually the Heavenly Father's name?
http://www.eliyah.com/jhovah.htm

Did the Messiah say the Sacred Name? - This study proves He did.
http://www.eliyah.com/saidname.html

How Yahweh's name is pronounced
http://www.eliyah.com/names.html

Yahushua, the Name of the Messiah

Importance of using the Name Yahushua - A huge list of scriptures declaring the importance of the Messiah's Name.
http://www.eliyah.com/tbidx.html

Yahushua is His name. - Proving His name was never "Jesus". It isn't even in the original KJV.
http://www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm

Click here to find the importance of the TRUE Name for Baptism - His name becomes pretty important when it comes to baptism.
http://www.eliyah.com/baptism.html

Yahushua's name foretold in Zechariah! - The name of the Messiah was predicted in the prophets.
http://www.eliyah.com/branch.htm
En Español
http://www.eliyah.com/branchsp.htm

How Yahushua's name is pronounced (wav file)
http://www.eliyah.com/names.html

Scriptural Definition of the word "Name"
This will prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the word "Name" not only means "character and reputation" but also a literal written and spoken name.
This is the definition of the Hebrew word "shem" which is translated as "name" all throughout scripture

Strong's # 8034 Shem; a primitive word [perhaps rather from 7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; compare 8064]; an appellation, AS A MARK or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: - + base, [in-] fame[-ous], name[-d], renown, report.

As you can see from the above definition, Yahweh's name not only represents His character but the Name Yahweh is also HIS MARK! What is a mark but something that is written? The Name YAHWEH also is His memorial of individuality. This definition goes hand in hand with scripture:

Exodus 3:15-AV And Elohim said moreover to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, YAHWEH Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me to you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial to all generations.

Man has set up many memorials for himself such as "The Unknown Soldier" or "The Wall" for instance. Can you imagine the punishment one would recieve if someone had gone up and destroyed one of these memorials? Now if we wouldn't desecrate one of man's memorials, then why would anyone want to desecrate Yahweh's Memorial - His Name!? We do not have the right to change His name to whatever we want to call Him.
http://www.eliyah.com/namedef.html

I will add to this thread because I think it is important to bring this to others attention.

PY, no problem. If you want to spell G-d then that is your decision. No offense intended towards you, I just disagree with your reason. Again, no offense.

Batyah, peace to you, but all of the links you provided were from one web site, http://www.eliyah.com. That site is a Sacred Name movement site.

I am not a Sacred Name (SN) movement subscriber. Here is a link to another site that talks about the SN movement: http://www.sacrednamemovement.com and provides a different viewpoint on it.

I present this information as a balance for what you have presented. I am sorry if this offends you, I do not mean to intentionally. It is not an attack on you personally at all.

I do want to present balance to this issue because I see the SN movement coming into the forum and causing confusion for believers new and not so new. I see the SN movement leading people to be under the Law when there is no reason for it, since we are justified by FAITH through JESUS CHRIST. (read Galatians)

Please Please Please read Galatians and then the web sites I have included here if you have any doubts about this BEFORE replying. The SN movement says that to be saved, one must say the name of the LORD using the Hebrew pronunciation only (reasons provided on the web sites via the links I included), and that the name of JESUS is a pagan name meaning 'son of Zeus' or 'Healing of Zeus'. There are many, many things wrong with this doctrine, which I will not get into right now. Again, read Galatians and then read the web sites. Pray about it!

I imagine this will cause an uproar. Sorry, but I feel this needs to be shown to everyone here.

Todd

None taken whatsoever Todd, honestly. I have never been offended in this thread, except for when there have been intimations regarding my relationship with my Father in Heaven. I find it appalling that some uphold their personal relationship with Him seemingly as the closest one can get with him, while implying how I am only separating myself from Him by choosing to use "G-d". Sorry, but that is absolutely asinine, and they will have to answer for it, not me. *Shrugs*

I have explained twice now why I choose to revere and respect His name the way I do, and I won't do it a third time. People can accept it, or not. Their issue...not mine. I must say, however, I do find it comical that no one seems to be able to see the correlation between my writing His name as G-d, and the common practice of capitalizing pronouns, etc, used in place of His Name. I suppose some things shall remain unaswered...or ignored, in this case.

So, again...people are free to read my threads, or not. As much as I truly love the members here, it is of no consequence to me, in the overall. Two things, however. Jack, you spoke of separation...can you not see how this thread alone has the potential for separating us, simply because some seem to have an issue with "G-d"? Know that the separation is not from my end, but rather via those who have singled this out. Secondly, to no one in particular...I have no intention of writing His name any differently than I ever have. Accept it. Or not. No big deal on my end...just know that if you read my posts, expect to see "G-d".

i do not say Yahweh or Yahshua because man has told me to.

i call Him by His proper name because He revealed them to me in my dreams.




i am NOT apart of any Sacred name movement.

i believe in order to be saved you have to BELIEVE that Yahweh sent His son who laid down His life so that we can have forgiveness for our sins.
And recieve Him and His word, all of it.

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That site is a Sacred Name movement site.

Where do you get that this is apart of that movement?

He says he not and everything i have read so far does not say you have to use His Hebrew name to be saved.

If you have found something on there that says different, PLEASE show me where it's at.

Because i do NOT believe that's how one is saved.


This is from his web site-

First, let it be clear that this website is not about me. It is about seeking the truth and finding it in Yahushua the Messiah. This website was created to make disciples of all the nations as Yahushua commanded in Matthew 28. We are not called to make converts but disciples. Many have asked if EliYah is my real name. EliYah is my spiritual name or surname, not the name given to me by my parents. EliYah means "My Mighty One is Yahweh". This is the message that I want to proclaim. I don't claim to be a prophet or anything other than a disciple of Yahushua the Messiah.

I have never been, nor ever plan to be a part of any sect or denomination except the one that Yahweh Himself will establish when He returns. I don't have a hidden agenda and I am not part of the 'Identity' movement, Militia movement or any other similar movement. I don't run an assembly, nor am I a leader or pastor of any congregation. I'm just a disciple of Yahushua the Messiah who has some things to share. My desire is that others also would become disciples of Yahushua the Messiah. I often fellowship with a local group on the Sabbath with those that are of like faith. All of us are non-denominational. I also often fellowship and testify of Yahweh's mighty works in the chat room with my brothers and sisters in Yahweh.
Thanks for visiting EliYah's Home Page. It is my hope and prayer that the contents here edify the body of Yahushua, awake the complacent and change the heart of the unbeliever.

http://www.eliyah.com/eliyah.html

The Message of Salvation
http://www.eliyah.com/tidings/


Edit-

i wanted to add this link-

Galatians Unveiled
http://www.yrm.org/galations-unveiled.htm

Yahweh KNOWS your heart, man does NOT!


You worship Yahweh and not man, that is all that matters!!!

Shalom,
Bat Yah

Ahhh...and Jack...wouldn't be 'easier' for you to accept trinity? I mean, afterall, if we are going to comply with the majority in order to not cause any division, however imagined or unintentional...

Just some cud for you to chew.

BatYah, I question the credibility of the website concerning the Book of Galations because of this statement that I have copied here from the link you provided...



Now you either believe that the Bible is the complete WORD of GOD or not, and there are no problematic areas as the link you posted refers to. That is the belief of the Sacred Movement that Todd was referring to. This forum believes; "We believe the Holy Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, is the inspired Word of God, the inerrant and entire revelation of God's will for salvation, and the Divine and final authority for the Christian faith and life."

Please read the Forum Statement of belief.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=189


May the LORD bless you always.

Sweetie... I in no way was implying that my relationship with God is the closest that it could or even should be. I was even readily admitting that I have had and still continue to deal with FALSE views of Him- to which I have had to confess.
I know of someone (a personal friend) that won't even pray to the Lord because she perceives Him as "male". She is so bitter about the male relationships in her life that praying to a male Jesus is not an option to her.
The way we deal with other people and past hurts usually effects our relationship with God.
That was ALL I was trying to say in my previous post.
Please don't be offended.

to ya tig

i have read the fourm statement of belief

i will go read again the link, i did not get that they were saying some of the bible is not the inspired Word of Yahweh ???

i thought that it was saying that none of Yahweh's word was done away with as some teach???

i'll go read it again

Shalom,
Bat Yah

And please let me say a personal I'm sorry.

I'm sorry PraisingYeshua. I in no way wanted to imply that I had a better relationship with Jesus than you do. I went back and read my post and also just prayed about it. I'm sorry. Only you and the Lord know what goes on between you two. Who am I to say???

Please except my apology.

Hi Batyah,
Thanks for the links. You asked a question of me, so I thought I would answer:




Please realize my intent is not to offend you. Like you I also do not believe that believers need to use the Hebrew name of JESUS to be saved. It is my belief that the LORD GOD is able to know our hearts and knows what our words mean. It would make NO sense for the LORD GOD to make Asian believers to speak Hebrew to call upon HIM, would it? Or any other gentile believer for that matter.

You asked if the site you referenced had such a claim. Here it is:

http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html

The author is stating the same thing the SN smovement does - you need to say the Hebrew name of for JESUS. He just says you don't have to say it the way he does to be saved, but then goes on to contradict himself:

"The name of Yahushua is intricately linked with the person of Yahushua. So in light of the numerous scriptures which show us the importance of His name, we should at least seek to understand how it is pronounced. It is obviously important according to scripture."

This is part and parcel of the Sacred Name movement.

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As far as Galatians is concerned, I will direct you and anyone else who may be interested to the following web site:

http://www.amfi.org

This is important! This is the web site for the American Messianic Fellowship International. AMFI has existed since the late 1800's and was started to help Christians understand our Jewish roots. The site is VERY informative and the questions and answers in the mailbag section are also very well thought out. The author of answers often uses the names JESUS CHRIST and YESHUA interchangably. I think you will find it very interesting, Batyah. I know I have!

Check out these questions and answers in the Mailbag section:

http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/Galatianism.htm (Galatianism)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/GentileSabbath.htm (Gentiles deceived by worshipping on Sunday?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/Sabbath2Sunday.htm (When did Christian day of worship change from Saturday to Sunday?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/shabbat.htm (How should christians keep the Sabbath?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/laworfaith.htm (Is a man justified by faith of the law?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/repentancetoo.htm )Is truting JESUS/YESHUA enough? What about repentance?)

Here is an important question from the AMFI mailbag:



AMFI is, of course, not the ultimate authority, but their approach definitely makes sense. It appeals to the Messianic Jew and the Christian.

Thanks for being so cool about this. Please understand what I am saying is not aimed at you at all. It is aimed at the SN movement and those that claim Christians should follow the Torah - convert to Judaism and be under the Law: You are teaching a false salvation doctrine! Paul wrote in Galatians:

Ga 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into BONDAGE:
Ga 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in BONDAGE under the elements of the world:
Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in BONDAGE ?
Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to BONDAGE, which is Agar.
Ga 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in BONDAGE with her children.
Ga 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of BONDAGE.


Peace to you all in the Name above all Names, JESUS CHRIST (or YESHUA if you prefer)

Todd

Bat Yah, I only want the best things for you from GOD. From what I read it sounds like what Todd was saying. Thank you for understanding what I am trying to say and not taking offense. May the LORD bless you always.

First, I have to say, that you have absolutely summed it up beyond anyone's opinions; for that is what this thread is, from beginning to end. Opinion. Thank you for that.

Todd, I kind of skimmed through your most recent post, but one thing stuck out to me. Christians simply CANNOT convert to Judaism. In order to convert, a Christian would have to deny Yeshua as the Messiah. There is just no way about that. A Christian can adhere to Judaism/Messianic Judaism, but could never truly convert, without denying the Messiah.

And dear, sweet Julie. I cannot forgive you, because I truly do not feel wronged by you, nor that what you posted was intended to be hurtful. I love you, truly, and I hope you accept the sincerity of my saying that. I do thank you, however, for recognizing that just because I choose to revere His names as much as I do Him, doesn't mean that I am suffering from a lacking relationship with Him. The irony of this thread, is that when I was much more free using of His names, I was no where near as close with Him, as I am now. Revering His names has brought me closer to Him, BECAUSE of that reverence.

Now, I must say I am quite done with this thread.

Hi folks, focusing back on the original post, we see that it is about the Holy Spirit's encourgement for those that post under the anointing and leading of the Holy Ghost as we hear from Him. In so doing, as we post, we believe that He is the author therefore of the things we write, and hence deserves the credit and be magnified.

As regards to opinions and choices, there are none as far as scripture is concerned. Mature christians read God's word and apply to their lives, basically, we hear and obey.

I believe the above scripture was posted by the leading of the Holy Ghost and the expounding of it. With the number of posts and varied comments made about this post illustrates what giving a word under leading of the Holy Spirit can do.

Jer 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; AND LIKE A HAMMER THAT BREAKETH THE ROCK IN PIECES?

In Him
Traveller

It was night here , whilst you guys were talking and when I woke up and read it, it warmed my heart to see your love and respect.

I know that the intention here is PROTECTION and the motivation is LOVE.
I do not have a problem with using Yeshua, as that is His name in Hebrew. But as Todd pointed out, in these times we have a lot of onslaught from those who want to place the believers back under a law. It seems that it does not matter which law, as long as it is A law.

We must realise that there are those outside who are not sure of their salvation, because they do not believe the scriptures to be God's Word.So they search for where they might be "missing" it (re salvation). They move in fear, because of lack of faith. Those come to the body of Christ and place their doctrines that come from insecurity at our doorstep.It is SOUNDS almost almost almost true, so you have to look very carefully and look in the spirit and discern the truth.

Hold fast to Jesus/Yeshua our Lord and saviour. Let NO one rob you of your freedom, it was bought at a price.
you are precious people, you are my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Christ liveth IN you

C

I do want to make clarification that this thread is NOT why I am leaving the forum, although it did serve a purpose of enlightening me a bit.

Traveller, I do want to suggest something. While I do not think (at least I hope not) that you intend to be judgemental, some of your postings have great potential to come across as such. For example:



You are correct...when it comes to opinions and choices, there are none as far as scripture is concerned...however, I am not yet so perfect that I do not occassionally allow my thoughts and opinions to aide in creating interpretation, etc....are you? I fully admit that I am full of error, and AM ever learning...do you? I focus here, because the first sentence of what I quoted could come across as rather high and mighty. Ditto with the second sentence I quoted.

And, further about the second sentence...I hope you realize that there are so many who would have read that as an insult. Truly...do you KNOW my relationship with my Father, that you can suggest or judge that I...or ANYONE...is immature in their relationship with him? If that is a role you are comfortable with, then by all means, please continue. However, I would like to make mention of something. When we are new in our faith, we are on fire for H