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i was wondering,is sex controversial for your kind of christians?i usually hang out at christianforum and most of them are not fundamentalist like you are,so i was wondering if sex is seen as"bad" or something to be ashamed of?
in europe we are open about sex,its natural and healthy.and its not stange for a 15/16 year old to have sexual relations.they also get educated about protection such as pilles(birth control) and use of condoms. so the child pregnancies are lower in europe then in america for example.
you see sex as something to be ashamed of (because of your religion)?you need to be married and all that first?
i hope this question is OK to ask.
sanna
Sex was made for the marriage bed. Sex is not dirty or un-natural. Man makes it that. The bible tells us many times that the act of sex was meant for the marriage bed only, between a husband and wife. It is not defiled or immoral as long as it is kept within the marriage bed.
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Hebrews chapter 13 (NLT)
4 Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one another in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who commit adultery.
1 Thessalonians chapter 4 (TEV)
2 You know the instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 God wants you to be holy and completely free from sexual immorality.
1 Thessalonians chapter 4 (NLT)
4 Then each of you will control your body and live in holiness and honor - 5 not in lustful passion as the pagans do, in their ignorance of God and his ways. 6 Never cheat a Christian brother in this matter by taking his wife, for the Lord avenges all such sins, as we have solemnly warned you before. 7 God has called us to be holy, not to live impure lives. 8 Anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human rules but is rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.
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God created our bodies. HE knows how they work. The laws that he has in place are for our protection. Protection from disease and protection from heartache and problems. When you engage in sex outside of marriage, there is no commitment on the part of the people involved. Pregnancy can occur and disease can occur, pain and hurt from lack of commitment. The Lord loves us and gives us these laws to protect us. Save yourself for marriage. This is for men and for women.
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1 Corinthians 6:12-20
12 You may say, "I am allowed to do anything." But I reply, "Not everything is good for you." And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything. 13 You say, "Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food." This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them. But our bodies were not made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. 14 And God will raise our bodies from the dead by his marvelous power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead. 15 Don't you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which belongs to Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! 16 And don't you know that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, "The two are united into one."* 17 But the person who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
18 Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Or don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.
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Hebrews chapter 13 (NLT)
4 Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to one another in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those who commit adultery.
1 Thessalonians chapter 4 (TEV)
2 You know the instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3 God wants you to be holy and completely free from sexual immorality.
1 Thessalonians chapter 4 (NLT)
4 Then each of you will control your body and live in holiness and honor - 5 not in lustful passion as the pagans do, in their ignorance of God and his ways. 6 Never cheat a Christian brother in this matter by taking his wife, for the Lord avenges all such sins, as we have solemnly warned you before. 7 God has called us to be holy, not to live impure lives. 8 Anyone who refuses to live by these rules is not disobeying human rules but is rejecting God, who gives his Holy Spirit to you.
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God created our bodies. HE knows how they work. The laws that he has in place are for our protection. Protection from disease and protection from heartache and problems. When you engage in sex outside of marriage, there is no commitment on the part of the people involved. Pregnancy can occur and disease can occur, pain and hurt from lack of commitment. The Lord loves us and gives us these laws to protect us. Save yourself for marriage. This is for men and for women.
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1 Corinthians 6:12-20
12 You may say, "I am allowed to do anything." But I reply, "Not everything is good for you." And even though "I am allowed to do anything," I must not become a slave to anything. 13 You say, "Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food." This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them. But our bodies were not made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. 14 And God will raise our bodies from the dead by his marvelous power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead. 15 Don't you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which belongs to Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! 16 And don't you know that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, "The two are united into one."* 17 But the person who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
18 Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Or don't you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.
Sex inside a marriage is like a warm fire in a fireplace. It heats the house keeps the warmth alive.
If the fire is allowed to go outside the boundaries of the fireplace (i.e. sex outside of marriage) it consumes the entire house and leaves destruction.
Sex outside of marriage has led to illegitmacy, venareal diseases, fatherless children, a "me, me, me" attitude (sex outside of marriage is extremely selfish behavior), and the breakup of families.
If the fire is allowed to go outside the boundaries of the fireplace (i.e. sex outside of marriage) it consumes the entire house and leaves destruction.
Sex outside of marriage has led to illegitmacy, venareal diseases, fatherless children, a "me, me, me" attitude (sex outside of marriage is extremely selfish behavior), and the breakup of families.
People have sex for different motives, especially for people of a younger age (if I am guessing correctly you're an adolescent),
Folks in the age group you speak of (15-16) try it because of social pressures from cultural influences, experiment or even out of love. After all they say hormones ar "raging" as bodies, our bodies cross into puberty, but keep in mind the motives of sex between two people are not necessarily the same. When you discover there's a difference in your motives and with your partners then that is where the hurt can come from.
I would imagine Adam and Eve where made at the age of adolescence. It's speculation on my part but I think anyones guess about Adam and Eve's age at the time of their creation would be speculation as well.
The point is there are physical and moral consequences to having sex at a younger age.
The bible is clear about adultery, about homosexuality, about sexual acts with animals, about sex with a prostitute. These are some of the things I can think of that God does not approve of. But if you're not married and you don't do any of the things above then you fall into a "gray area."
I am not encouraging you to "experiment" but trying to explain that there are consequences you'll experience later. For example you could be in a long term relationship with your partner then school is over and you part...its a difficult subject. As Jhamner said a person could contract a disease or get pregnant, but these things I don't believe are a punishment from God, these are just consequences from actions you believed you had taken. The point is such consequences must somehow be coped with in you faith in Chirst, whether suffering remorse, repentance, personal blame for yourself, blame to God. Whatever. Regardless God loves you and faith in him will pull you through no matter what bad choices you believed you made.
One thing I go back to is that eventually all things of the flesh shall return to dust. The preoccupation of food, material things, sex, etc. disappear. As you get older your thinking and focus is more on spiritual matters, and your relationship with God grows deeper. That's always something to look forward to. Take care Sanna
Folks in the age group you speak of (15-16) try it because of social pressures from cultural influences, experiment or even out of love. After all they say hormones ar "raging" as bodies, our bodies cross into puberty, but keep in mind the motives of sex between two people are not necessarily the same. When you discover there's a difference in your motives and with your partners then that is where the hurt can come from.
I would imagine Adam and Eve where made at the age of adolescence. It's speculation on my part but I think anyones guess about Adam and Eve's age at the time of their creation would be speculation as well.
The point is there are physical and moral consequences to having sex at a younger age.
The bible is clear about adultery, about homosexuality, about sexual acts with animals, about sex with a prostitute. These are some of the things I can think of that God does not approve of. But if you're not married and you don't do any of the things above then you fall into a "gray area."
I am not encouraging you to "experiment" but trying to explain that there are consequences you'll experience later. For example you could be in a long term relationship with your partner then school is over and you part...its a difficult subject. As Jhamner said a person could contract a disease or get pregnant, but these things I don't believe are a punishment from God, these are just consequences from actions you believed you had taken. The point is such consequences must somehow be coped with in you faith in Chirst, whether suffering remorse, repentance, personal blame for yourself, blame to God. Whatever. Regardless God loves you and faith in him will pull you through no matter what bad choices you believed you made.
One thing I go back to is that eventually all things of the flesh shall return to dust. The preoccupation of food, material things, sex, etc. disappear. As you get older your thinking and focus is more on spiritual matters, and your relationship with God grows deeper. That's always something to look forward to. Take care Sanna
[QUOTE]People have sex for different motives, especially for people of a younger age (if I am guessing correctly you're an adolescent),[/QUOTE]
eh,no, im 25.i know in america thats a child,but in europe we are considered adult long time ago (we mature faster i guess.
[QUOTE]Folks in the age group you speak of (15-16) try it because of social pressures from cultural influences, experiment or even out of love.[/QUOTE]
i dont know about social pressure in having sex,or cultural influences. but maybe they have sex because its natural and nice?i like sex, and so does ANYONE who is not sick (this is medical, a normal healthy person likes sex).
the reason PEOPLE are having sex is because its nice.we like it.we are one of the few animals who have it for enjoyment.
[QUOTE]As Jhamner said a person could contract a disease or get pregnant, but these things I don't believe are a punishment from God, these are just consequences from actions you believed you had taken. [/QUOTE]
you can get dieaseses from all sort of things.and if you get pregnant (and not wanting the child) you just have an abortion,simple, go to the clinic and take a pill.nothing strange about it.but i heard that it could be illegal in the states? talk about removing freedom,anyway,im just talking from a society with freedom,and we just go to the clinic.
i just find it weird that anyone would treat sex as something bad.and honestly,i get that feeling from you guys. sex is HEALTHY its GOOD and you LIKE IT,why dont you want people to have it?i really dont get it.
a teenager wanting to have sex is NATURAL.and a teenager HAVING SEX, is biological NATURAL,how can you go against this?if a girl gets pregnant and DONT WANT TO BE PREGNANT (accident,pill did not work, millions of reasons), she could just take a pill, no worries there. and if your worried about dieases,use condom,or go and test yourself.
Why would anyone be against young people having a good life?if they suprese their sexual feelings (natural feelings) its not good for them mentally.i always feel worried when i hear people talk about this (from religious fundamentalist like you). really it does.
eh,no, im 25.i know in america thats a child,but in europe we are considered adult long time ago (we mature faster i guess.
[QUOTE]Folks in the age group you speak of (15-16) try it because of social pressures from cultural influences, experiment or even out of love.[/QUOTE]
i dont know about social pressure in having sex,or cultural influences. but maybe they have sex because its natural and nice?i like sex, and so does ANYONE who is not sick (this is medical, a normal healthy person likes sex).
the reason PEOPLE are having sex is because its nice.we like it.we are one of the few animals who have it for enjoyment.
[QUOTE]As Jhamner said a person could contract a disease or get pregnant, but these things I don't believe are a punishment from God, these are just consequences from actions you believed you had taken. [/QUOTE]
you can get dieaseses from all sort of things.and if you get pregnant (and not wanting the child) you just have an abortion,simple, go to the clinic and take a pill.nothing strange about it.but i heard that it could be illegal in the states? talk about removing freedom,anyway,im just talking from a society with freedom,and we just go to the clinic.
i just find it weird that anyone would treat sex as something bad.and honestly,i get that feeling from you guys. sex is HEALTHY its GOOD and you LIKE IT,why dont you want people to have it?i really dont get it.
a teenager wanting to have sex is NATURAL.and a teenager HAVING SEX, is biological NATURAL,how can you go against this?if a girl gets pregnant and DONT WANT TO BE PREGNANT (accident,pill did not work, millions of reasons), she could just take a pill, no worries there. and if your worried about dieases,use condom,or go and test yourself.
Why would anyone be against young people having a good life?if they suprese their sexual feelings (natural feelings) its not good for them mentally.i always feel worried when i hear people talk about this (from religious fundamentalist like you). really it does.
[QUOTE]you can get dieaseses from all sort of things.and if you get pregnant (and not wanting the child) you just have an abortion,simple, go to the clinic and take a pill.nothing strange[/QUOTE]
Killing a human being simply because it's inconvienent is "nothing strange". I wonder about Europe(and liberals here in America)Putting a murderer to death is wrong but sucking a baby's brains out with a metal straw is OK. Seems a bit backwards to me.
[QUOTE]but i heard that it could be illegal in the states? talk about removing freedom[/QUOTE]
Freedom doesn't include the right to murder. Besides, what about the baby's rights? The mother couldn't keep her legs shut so it's an excuse to end a human life?
[QUOTE]a teenager wanting to have sex is NATURAL.and a teenager HAVING SEX, is biological NATURAL,how can you go against this?[/QUOTE]
And a dog licking its butt is natural too, the difference is that we humans aren't creatures of instinct. We can resist our urges. Casual sex is dumb for a variety of reasons.
1. Diseases- and no, you can't just go to the clinic and get a pill for AIDS or Herpes. You'll have Herpes forever and AIDS WILL kill you. Not MIGHT kill you. It WILL kill you. Is casual sex worth it?
2. Pregnancy, sure you could get it aborted but many women develop psychological problems afterwards from the guilt they carry. They'll carry that guilt for the rest of their lives. Some women also become sterile afterwards. So just because they "wanted a little action" they'll never be able to give birth.
3. Marraige, so you decide to settle down and get married but since you're so used to lustful living you screw around and ruin your marraige. That's good on your kids. Broken homes ALWAYS make the ideal environment for raising kids.
So let's hear how casual sex is beneficial. "Feeling good" isn't exactly a convincing argument. Scratching myself "feels good" but as with most things there's a time and place for that. Doing something that "feels good" whenever you want is what animals do.
Killing a human being simply because it's inconvienent is "nothing strange". I wonder about Europe(and liberals here in America)Putting a murderer to death is wrong but sucking a baby's brains out with a metal straw is OK. Seems a bit backwards to me.
[QUOTE]but i heard that it could be illegal in the states? talk about removing freedom[/QUOTE]
Freedom doesn't include the right to murder. Besides, what about the baby's rights? The mother couldn't keep her legs shut so it's an excuse to end a human life?
[QUOTE]a teenager wanting to have sex is NATURAL.and a teenager HAVING SEX, is biological NATURAL,how can you go against this?[/QUOTE]
And a dog licking its butt is natural too, the difference is that we humans aren't creatures of instinct. We can resist our urges. Casual sex is dumb for a variety of reasons.
1. Diseases- and no, you can't just go to the clinic and get a pill for AIDS or Herpes. You'll have Herpes forever and AIDS WILL kill you. Not MIGHT kill you. It WILL kill you. Is casual sex worth it?
2. Pregnancy, sure you could get it aborted but many women develop psychological problems afterwards from the guilt they carry. They'll carry that guilt for the rest of their lives. Some women also become sterile afterwards. So just because they "wanted a little action" they'll never be able to give birth.
3. Marraige, so you decide to settle down and get married but since you're so used to lustful living you screw around and ruin your marraige. That's good on your kids. Broken homes ALWAYS make the ideal environment for raising kids.
So let's hear how casual sex is beneficial. "Feeling good" isn't exactly a convincing argument. Scratching myself "feels good" but as with most things there's a time and place for that. Doing something that "feels good" whenever you want is what animals do.
You will only enjoy sex when you make a COMMITMENT with a partner, and marriage is the best commitment possible because it tells each partner his partner cares ENOUGH to want to engage permanent relationship.
Before that, you think you enjoy it, but you are mistaken. I think people go from partner to partner because they believe their present partner is not "GOOD ENOUGH", not knowing that the REAL thing they look for is not sex, but a close relationship with God.
Other people will fill that void that God has given to EACH of us with drugs, career, education, food, travel, knowlege, power, alcohol, even witchcraft.
A Bible proverb says: there is a way that seems right to man, but its end is only destruction.
God created sex to build intimacy between man and wife (since he enjoigned Adam and Eve to grow and multiply, why not make it enjoyable; That's God for that
If you are dissatisfied with you relationship, just ask God to help you find the mate which is right for you, and make him or her PASS THROUGH THE TEST OF MARRIAGE; if he rejects it, he or her is not for you!
Before you do that, why not ask Jesus Christ to enter you life and be your personal savior? It will be your best achievement ever!
The Bible says: Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you" (Matthew 6:33, King James Version).
May I pray for you: LORD, please guide Sanna; bless Sanna physically, spiritually and financially. Bring Sanna Your love, Your peace and Your joy. May you send angels to protect Sanna, LORD.
LORD, I give you praise and glory! 
Before that, you think you enjoy it, but you are mistaken. I think people go from partner to partner because they believe their present partner is not "GOOD ENOUGH", not knowing that the REAL thing they look for is not sex, but a close relationship with God.
Other people will fill that void that God has given to EACH of us with drugs, career, education, food, travel, knowlege, power, alcohol, even witchcraft.
A Bible proverb says: there is a way that seems right to man, but its end is only destruction.
God created sex to build intimacy between man and wife (since he enjoigned Adam and Eve to grow and multiply, why not make it enjoyable; That's God for that
If you are dissatisfied with you relationship, just ask God to help you find the mate which is right for you, and make him or her PASS THROUGH THE TEST OF MARRIAGE; if he rejects it, he or her is not for you!
Before you do that, why not ask Jesus Christ to enter you life and be your personal savior? It will be your best achievement ever!
The Bible says: Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you" (Matthew 6:33, King James Version).
May I pray for you: LORD, please guide Sanna; bless Sanna physically, spiritually and financially. Bring Sanna Your love, Your peace and Your joy. May you send angels to protect Sanna, LORD.
LORD, I give you praise and glory!
Let me add then, for all who are married the wife must honor the husband as the husband honors the wife, that both receive and enjoy their sexual relationship with each other, lest they invite turbulence with adultery, less should one or the other or both even look upon another with lusting eyes and wanting hearts, then their marriage is built near the edge of a cliff where a sea washes against it's wall to one day bring it crashing down.
Sex is not evil, but for selfish motives it can destroy relationships, it can enslave people into a perverse industry, it can embarass people and cause people to loose their jobs. These are not evil occurances but the consequences of selfish motives that brings misery.
For a Christian to avoid such things is not to avoid "evil" persee but to simply stay away from trouble as God time and again warns us like the warning he sends about a fierce lion that roars in the desert waiting to devour a person, or the seduction of the world that lead down a path to disregard God.
(speaking softly, not accusingly...read quietly) If one is single and has no druthers about sex then they do as they wish, but remember the consequences that they inherit when acting out on their own principles and out of their own justifications, for that person to later lay with another offers up their intimacy to a complete stranger not knowing if he or she even has the slightest care for them, other than than he or she is an instrument to fulfill their carnal needs.
And if one uses people that way then how shall they ever know intimacy? The years of one's life was spent in pursuit of vainity fulfilling the desires of flesh are in one day realized as wasted days when there is nothing to show for them, when there's is a worthless and unloving husband or unloving wife at their side, or there is no husband or no wife at their side, and through it all not paying heed to the warning from God. Then in that moment is a welling in ones heart and a bursting of tears flooding from their eyes, in a private moment as they realize how lonely they are. Not a single "one-night-stand," casual relationship or a failed marrage laid a single stone to guard against the emptiness of their solitude, the inheritance of a life pursuing their flesh.
1 Peter 1:24-25
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Sex is not evil, but for selfish motives it can destroy relationships, it can enslave people into a perverse industry, it can embarass people and cause people to loose their jobs. These are not evil occurances but the consequences of selfish motives that brings misery.
For a Christian to avoid such things is not to avoid "evil" persee but to simply stay away from trouble as God time and again warns us like the warning he sends about a fierce lion that roars in the desert waiting to devour a person, or the seduction of the world that lead down a path to disregard God.
(speaking softly, not accusingly...read quietly) If one is single and has no druthers about sex then they do as they wish, but remember the consequences that they inherit when acting out on their own principles and out of their own justifications, for that person to later lay with another offers up their intimacy to a complete stranger not knowing if he or she even has the slightest care for them, other than than he or she is an instrument to fulfill their carnal needs.
And if one uses people that way then how shall they ever know intimacy? The years of one's life was spent in pursuit of vainity fulfilling the desires of flesh are in one day realized as wasted days when there is nothing to show for them, when there's is a worthless and unloving husband or unloving wife at their side, or there is no husband or no wife at their side, and through it all not paying heed to the warning from God. Then in that moment is a welling in ones heart and a bursting of tears flooding from their eyes, in a private moment as they realize how lonely they are. Not a single "one-night-stand," casual relationship or a failed marrage laid a single stone to guard against the emptiness of their solitude, the inheritance of a life pursuing their flesh.
1 Peter 1:24-25
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
Okay.
May I be very blunt here? I think I will.
There is a piece of tissue inside every woman called a hymen. This piece of tissue breaks upon penetration and causes the woman to bleed the first time she has intercourse. Of course, on rare occations, the hymen can be broken doing other activities (i.e. horseback riding).
God purposefully put this piece of tissue in a woman's body for 2 reasons. One reason, the most obvious, is to simply state to people that this territory is "off limits" to anyone except a husband.
The second reason is more spiritual.
God is a God of covenants. Basically, a covenant is a promise. BUT... unlike a contract, a covenant is holy. There are two parties involved, and by entering into a convenant relationship, both parties are agreeing that REGARDLESS of the behavior of the OTHER person, the individual is agreeing to the stipulations of the covenant. IN other words, NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER DOES... I have PROMISED to keep my side of the agreement. (God keeps His promises... REGARDLESS of the way WE behave. Praise the LORD!!!)
With all covenants, there is ALWAYS a covenant sign. In the Bible, the covenant with Abraham and God was sealed when God's firey presence went between the bloody sacrifice.
We are SAVED by the BLOOD of JESUS! An unbreakable convenant. Of course, the covenant sign was His death and sacrifice on a cross and His resurrection and ascention. We also have the sign of the Holy Spirit!!
Okay... REMEMBERING THIS...
The hymen breaking is telling us that God does not consider SEX a light matter. He says that TWO will become ONE FLESH when a man and a woman marry. The covenant sign of a marriage is sex- and it is sealed in blood when the hymen breaks. God takes it THAT seriously. We are SAVED and REDEEMED by a blood covenant. When you unite with another person... you are "supposed" to be making a covenant promise to him or her.
You don't have to agree with me. You can say I am a spooky religious fanatic. But, I am telling you straight for the Word of God that sex OUTSIDE of marriage is a sin.
However... sex inside its proper boundaries is BEAUTIFUL. God even rejoices in a holy union between a man and wife. (Read Song of Solomon if you must.)
Your justifications for participating in the act sound more like rationalizations to me. The "it's normal" and "everyone else is doing it" speech is straight from the pit of hell. You cannot wiggle your way out of a holy and just law.
Now... that being said... I WISH that I had known these things BEFORE I gave away my viriginity outside of marriage. I had the same attitude you seem to have once before I was saved. When I finally realized just how serious God takes sex, I was GRIEVED. I spent days in repentence. Slowly, the scales were removed from my eyes and I was soooo sorry that I had not saved myself for my husband and that I had shamed MY body by giving it away so flippantly. It was sooo selfish of me.
My prayer for you is that you will see it God's way. I don't want you to feel condemned. I just want you to walk in the true freedom that living the way Jesus says only brings. God bless.
May I be very blunt here? I think I will.
There is a piece of tissue inside every woman called a hymen. This piece of tissue breaks upon penetration and causes the woman to bleed the first time she has intercourse. Of course, on rare occations, the hymen can be broken doing other activities (i.e. horseback riding).
God purposefully put this piece of tissue in a woman's body for 2 reasons. One reason, the most obvious, is to simply state to people that this territory is "off limits" to anyone except a husband.
The second reason is more spiritual.
God is a God of covenants. Basically, a covenant is a promise. BUT... unlike a contract, a covenant is holy. There are two parties involved, and by entering into a convenant relationship, both parties are agreeing that REGARDLESS of the behavior of the OTHER person, the individual is agreeing to the stipulations of the covenant. IN other words, NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER DOES... I have PROMISED to keep my side of the agreement. (God keeps His promises... REGARDLESS of the way WE behave. Praise the LORD!!!)
With all covenants, there is ALWAYS a covenant sign. In the Bible, the covenant with Abraham and God was sealed when God's firey presence went between the bloody sacrifice.
We are SAVED by the BLOOD of JESUS! An unbreakable convenant. Of course, the covenant sign was His death and sacrifice on a cross and His resurrection and ascention. We also have the sign of the Holy Spirit!!
Okay... REMEMBERING THIS...
The hymen breaking is telling us that God does not consider SEX a light matter. He says that TWO will become ONE FLESH when a man and a woman marry. The covenant sign of a marriage is sex- and it is sealed in blood when the hymen breaks. God takes it THAT seriously. We are SAVED and REDEEMED by a blood covenant. When you unite with another person... you are "supposed" to be making a covenant promise to him or her.
You don't have to agree with me. You can say I am a spooky religious fanatic. But, I am telling you straight for the Word of God that sex OUTSIDE of marriage is a sin.
However... sex inside its proper boundaries is BEAUTIFUL. God even rejoices in a holy union between a man and wife. (Read Song of Solomon if you must.)
Your justifications for participating in the act sound more like rationalizations to me. The "it's normal" and "everyone else is doing it" speech is straight from the pit of hell. You cannot wiggle your way out of a holy and just law.
Now... that being said... I WISH that I had known these things BEFORE I gave away my viriginity outside of marriage. I had the same attitude you seem to have once before I was saved. When I finally realized just how serious God takes sex, I was GRIEVED. I spent days in repentence. Slowly, the scales were removed from my eyes and I was soooo sorry that I had not saved myself for my husband and that I had shamed MY body by giving it away so flippantly. It was sooo selfish of me.
My prayer for you is that you will see it God's way. I don't want you to feel condemned. I just want you to walk in the true freedom that living the way Jesus says only brings. God bless.
[quote=jhamner,May 21 2006, 08:06 PM]
Okay.
May I be very blunt here? I think I will.
There is a piece of tissue inside every woman called a hymen. This piece of tissue breaks upon penetration and causes the woman to bleed the first time she has intercourse. Of course, on rare occations, the hymen can be broken doing other activities (i.e. horseback riding).
God purposefully put this piece of tissue in a woman's body for 2 reasons. One reason, the most obvious, is to simply state to people that this territory is "off limits" to anyone except a husband.
The second reason is more spiritual.
God is a God of covenants. Basically, a covenant is a promise. BUT... unlike a contract, a covenant is holy. There are two parties involved, and by entering into a convenant relationship, both parties are agreeing that REGARDLESS of the behavior of the OTHER person, the individual is agreeing to the stipulations of the covenant. IN other words, NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER DOES... I have PROMISED to keep my side of the agreement. (God keeps His promises... REGARDLESS of the way WE behave. Praise the LORD!!!)
With all covenants, there is ALWAYS a covenant sign. In the Bible, the covenant with Abraham and God was sealed when God's firey presence went between the bloody sacrifice.
We are SAVED by the BLOOD of JESUS! An unbreakable convenant. Of course, the covenant sign was His death and sacrifice on a cross and His resurrection and ascention. We also have the sign of the Holy Spirit!!
Okay... REMEMBERING THIS...
The hymen breaking is telling us that God does not consider SEX a light matter. He says that TWO will become ONE FLESH when a man and a woman marry. The covenant sign of a marriage is sex- and it is sealed in blood when the hymen breaks. God takes it THAT seriously. We are SAVED and REDEEMED by a blood covenant. When you unite with another person... you are "supposed" to be making a covenant promise to him or her.
You don't have to agree with me. You can say I am a spooky religious fanatic. But, I am telling you straight for the Word of God that sex OUTSIDE of marriage is a sin.
However... sex inside its proper boundaries is BEAUTIFUL. God even rejoices in a holy union between a man and wife. (Read Song of Solomon if you must.)
Your justifications for participating in the act sound more like rationalizations to me. The "it's normal" and "everyone else is doing it" speech is straight from the pit of hell. You cannot wiggle your way out of a holy and just law.
Now... that being said... I WISH that I had known these things BEFORE I gave away my viriginity outside of marriage. I had the same attitude you seem to have once before I was saved. When I finally realized just how serious God takes sex, I was GRIEVED. I spent days in repentence. Slowly, the scales were removed from my eyes and I was soooo sorry that I had not saved myself for my husband and shamed MY body by giving it away so flippantly. It was sooo selfish of me.
My prayer for you is that you will see it God's way. I don't want you to feel condemned. I just want you to walk in the true freedom that living the way Jesus says only brings. God bless.
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jhamner, what an excellent and true post you have written.
I too have had to ask for forgiveness and wish I had followed
our Lord before I met my husband.
I was looking for love in all the wrong places and I wished I had
waited until God gave me my wonderful husband.
But oh how beautiful the marriage bed is between two people
that have become one and were married in the presence of
our Holy Father. To be commited to one another until death do us part.
Our God has designed marriage as beautiful as everything else He has
made.
God bless you jhamner for your honesty and shedding light on what
God says we should do.
love,
rosie
Okay.
May I be very blunt here? I think I will.
There is a piece of tissue inside every woman called a hymen. This piece of tissue breaks upon penetration and causes the woman to bleed the first time she has intercourse. Of course, on rare occations, the hymen can be broken doing other activities (i.e. horseback riding).
God purposefully put this piece of tissue in a woman's body for 2 reasons. One reason, the most obvious, is to simply state to people that this territory is "off limits" to anyone except a husband.
The second reason is more spiritual.
God is a God of covenants. Basically, a covenant is a promise. BUT... unlike a contract, a covenant is holy. There are two parties involved, and by entering into a convenant relationship, both parties are agreeing that REGARDLESS of the behavior of the OTHER person, the individual is agreeing to the stipulations of the covenant. IN other words, NO MATTER WHAT THE OTHER DOES... I have PROMISED to keep my side of the agreement. (God keeps His promises... REGARDLESS of the way WE behave. Praise the LORD!!!)
With all covenants, there is ALWAYS a covenant sign. In the Bible, the covenant with Abraham and God was sealed when God's firey presence went between the bloody sacrifice.
We are SAVED by the BLOOD of JESUS! An unbreakable convenant. Of course, the covenant sign was His death and sacrifice on a cross and His resurrection and ascention. We also have the sign of the Holy Spirit!!
Okay... REMEMBERING THIS...
The hymen breaking is telling us that God does not consider SEX a light matter. He says that TWO will become ONE FLESH when a man and a woman marry. The covenant sign of a marriage is sex- and it is sealed in blood when the hymen breaks. God takes it THAT seriously. We are SAVED and REDEEMED by a blood covenant. When you unite with another person... you are "supposed" to be making a covenant promise to him or her.
You don't have to agree with me. You can say I am a spooky religious fanatic. But, I am telling you straight for the Word of God that sex OUTSIDE of marriage is a sin.
However... sex inside its proper boundaries is BEAUTIFUL. God even rejoices in a holy union between a man and wife. (Read Song of Solomon if you must.)
Your justifications for participating in the act sound more like rationalizations to me. The "it's normal" and "everyone else is doing it" speech is straight from the pit of hell. You cannot wiggle your way out of a holy and just law.
Now... that being said... I WISH that I had known these things BEFORE I gave away my viriginity outside of marriage. I had the same attitude you seem to have once before I was saved. When I finally realized just how serious God takes sex, I was GRIEVED. I spent days in repentence. Slowly, the scales were removed from my eyes and I was soooo sorry that I had not saved myself for my husband and shamed MY body by giving it away so flippantly. It was sooo selfish of me.
My prayer for you is that you will see it God's way. I don't want you to feel condemned. I just want you to walk in the true freedom that living the way Jesus says only brings. God bless.
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jhamner, what an excellent and true post you have written.
I too have had to ask for forgiveness and wish I had followed
our Lord before I met my husband.
I was looking for love in all the wrong places and I wished I had
waited until God gave me my wonderful husband.
But oh how beautiful the marriage bed is between two people
that have become one and were married in the presence of
our Holy Father. To be commited to one another until death do us part.
Our God has designed marriage as beautiful as everything else He has
made.
God bless you jhamner for your honesty and shedding light on what
God says we should do.
love,
rosie
[quote=senteami3,May 21 2006, 07:03 PM]
You will only enjoy sex when you make a COMMITMENT with a partner, and marriage is the best commitment possible because it tells each partner his partner cares ENOUGH to want to engage permanent relationship.
Before that, you think you enjoy it, but you are mistaken. I think people go from partner to partner because they believe their present partner is not "GOOD ENOUGH", not knowing that the REAL thing they look for is not sex, but a close relationship with God.
Other people will fill that void that God has given to EACH of us with drugs, career, education, food, travel, knowlege, power, alcohol, even witchcraft.
A Bible proverb says: there is a way that seems right to man, but its end is only destruction.
God created sex to build intimacy between man and wife (since he enjoigned Adam and Eve to grow and multiply, why not make it enjoyable; That's God for that
If you are dissatisfied with you relationship, just ask God to help you find the mate which is right for you, and make him or her PASS THROUGH THE TEST OF MARRIAGE; if he rejects it, he or her is not for you!
Before you do that, why not ask Jesus Christ to enter you life and be your personal savior? It will be your best achievement ever!
The Bible says: Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you" (Matthew 6:33, King James Version).
May I pray for you: LORD, please guide Sanna; bless Sanna physically, spiritually and financially. Bring Sanna Your love, Your peace and Your joy. May you send angels to protect Sanna, LORD.
LORD, I give you praise and glory!
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Another beautiful and uplifting post.
God bless you Senteami
love,
rosie
You will only enjoy sex when you make a COMMITMENT with a partner, and marriage is the best commitment possible because it tells each partner his partner cares ENOUGH to want to engage permanent relationship.
Before that, you think you enjoy it, but you are mistaken. I think people go from partner to partner because they believe their present partner is not "GOOD ENOUGH", not knowing that the REAL thing they look for is not sex, but a close relationship with God.
Other people will fill that void that God has given to EACH of us with drugs, career, education, food, travel, knowlege, power, alcohol, even witchcraft.
A Bible proverb says: there is a way that seems right to man, but its end is only destruction.
God created sex to build intimacy between man and wife (since he enjoigned Adam and Eve to grow and multiply, why not make it enjoyable; That's God for that
If you are dissatisfied with you relationship, just ask God to help you find the mate which is right for you, and make him or her PASS THROUGH THE TEST OF MARRIAGE; if he rejects it, he or her is not for you!
Before you do that, why not ask Jesus Christ to enter you life and be your personal savior? It will be your best achievement ever!
The Bible says: Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you" (Matthew 6:33, King James Version).
May I pray for you: LORD, please guide Sanna; bless Sanna physically, spiritually and financially. Bring Sanna Your love, Your peace and Your joy. May you send angels to protect Sanna, LORD.
LORD, I give you praise and glory!
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Another beautiful and uplifting post.
God bless you Senteami
love,
rosie
People get so far away from God that they don't know the difference between right and wrong any more. And that's scary! Their conscience become seared as with a hot iron.
God created sex in the first place. None of us would be here if our parents had not enjoyed its pleasures.
Like all human activities, it is best when done within the parameters or constraints that allow for its greatest pleasure, satisfaction, fulfillment and safety.
Let me illustrate using a simple example: The use of an autompbile is best done within the constraints of the 'rules of the road'. Thus, all drivers can then derive the greatest pleasure, satisfaction and fulfilment from the use of a car - safely! Rules are made to maximize freedom and safety - which then maximizes satisfaction and fulfilment.
My wife and I started having sex only with each other, within the guidelines of the New Testament. We married for life and the promises we made to each other in the marriage vows, we meant then and still mean today. Promises are made to be kept. That is the essence of integrity.
What this means is that neither of us will ever have to worry about personally contracting STDs - ever!
But there are many, many more benefits than that. Probably the greatest is that we have a solid and secure home life with a stable family and happy balanced well-eductaed children who are secure in themselves are fully contributing society. They, in turn, when they marry, now also have what their parents taught them and their own experience with their Mum and Dad to enable them to see the value and benefits of a lifetime monogamous relationship.
To take Jesus seriously is not to blindly stick my head in the sand and ignore things - rather, it is to squarely face my sin, admit that it holds me back and blocks my relationship with the One who made me and wants to have a lifetime (and more) relationship with me. One who, because He made me, wants most of all my happiness.
He did say afterall, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
I can truthfully say He has indeed set me free. I kow FOR SURE that I will spend eternity with Him - not because of my own inadequate merit or efforts, but because of His own word, his own righteousness - which He has conferron on me.
He attributes to me His righteousness - it is as if, in His sight, I have committed NO SIN - because when He shed his blood on the cross, He uses that to cover my sins. He can no longer see my sins. It's as if the hard drive in my life containing the record of all my sins as been reformatted! The sin record is no longer there. It has all been erased!!!!
Going back to the car analogy for a moment -- you might say that because you have to maintain the car (i.e., put gas in it, change the oil, maintain proper air pressure in the tires, change the coolant every 2 years, and change the transmission fluid, etc., etc., and there is a cost to do this both time and money) the time to do all these things diminishes your freedom - that it restricts you with ll these rules and prevents you from having a good time. So, instead, you'd rather not have all these 'rules' to follow. So, when you don't follow these rules, the car eventually and prematurely breaks down and you now have lost the greater freedom enabled by your car.
The same thing applies to our lives - in every aspect of it, including our sex life.
So, in the end, the choice is yours. Only you can answer the question - Do I want the very best that life has to offer me? - or will I settle for that wich is second rate, or worse, harmful?
As for me, I know what I have decided to go for the best - and in the search - I stumbled around and found Jesus - the mystery the prophets of old longed to understand - Christ in you, the Hope of Glory!
Like all human activities, it is best when done within the parameters or constraints that allow for its greatest pleasure, satisfaction, fulfillment and safety.
Let me illustrate using a simple example: The use of an autompbile is best done within the constraints of the 'rules of the road'. Thus, all drivers can then derive the greatest pleasure, satisfaction and fulfilment from the use of a car - safely! Rules are made to maximize freedom and safety - which then maximizes satisfaction and fulfilment.
My wife and I started having sex only with each other, within the guidelines of the New Testament. We married for life and the promises we made to each other in the marriage vows, we meant then and still mean today. Promises are made to be kept. That is the essence of integrity.
What this means is that neither of us will ever have to worry about personally contracting STDs - ever!
But there are many, many more benefits than that. Probably the greatest is that we have a solid and secure home life with a stable family and happy balanced well-eductaed children who are secure in themselves are fully contributing society. They, in turn, when they marry, now also have what their parents taught them and their own experience with their Mum and Dad to enable them to see the value and benefits of a lifetime monogamous relationship.
To take Jesus seriously is not to blindly stick my head in the sand and ignore things - rather, it is to squarely face my sin, admit that it holds me back and blocks my relationship with the One who made me and wants to have a lifetime (and more) relationship with me. One who, because He made me, wants most of all my happiness.
He did say afterall, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
I can truthfully say He has indeed set me free. I kow FOR SURE that I will spend eternity with Him - not because of my own inadequate merit or efforts, but because of His own word, his own righteousness - which He has conferron on me.
He attributes to me His righteousness - it is as if, in His sight, I have committed NO SIN - because when He shed his blood on the cross, He uses that to cover my sins. He can no longer see my sins. It's as if the hard drive in my life containing the record of all my sins as been reformatted! The sin record is no longer there. It has all been erased!!!!
Going back to the car analogy for a moment -- you might say that because you have to maintain the car (i.e., put gas in it, change the oil, maintain proper air pressure in the tires, change the coolant every 2 years, and change the transmission fluid, etc., etc., and there is a cost to do this both time and money) the time to do all these things diminishes your freedom - that it restricts you with ll these rules and prevents you from having a good time. So, instead, you'd rather not have all these 'rules' to follow. So, when you don't follow these rules, the car eventually and prematurely breaks down and you now have lost the greater freedom enabled by your car.
The same thing applies to our lives - in every aspect of it, including our sex life.
So, in the end, the choice is yours. Only you can answer the question - Do I want the very best that life has to offer me? - or will I settle for that wich is second rate, or worse, harmful?
As for me, I know what I have decided to go for the best - and in the search - I stumbled around and found Jesus - the mystery the prophets of old longed to understand - Christ in you, the Hope of Glory!
Sanna...regardless of what people say here, you have made it abundantly clear that you have preconceived notions in regards to those who are believers in Yeshua, and our views on sex. Sadly, it is quite off the mark, but when you harbor preconceived notions, anything someone might suggest seems ludicrous.
We believe in G-d...and He has laid out "rules" as it were. Because we love Him, we follow Him, and what He commands of us. And that includes no premarital sex, homosexual sex, etc. It also includes a love for life. Meaning, a pregnancy is not just some tissue to be gotten rid of. Honestly, what an absolute disregard for life. It's disgusting that you would say the following:
****and if you get pregnant (and not wanting the child) you just have an abortion,simple, go to the clinic and take a pill.nothing strange about it.****
Thank G-d YOUR mother thought beyond that when she was pregnant with you, eh?
I also have to say that your little digs such as the following, are unappreciated:
****eh,no, im 25.i know in america thats a child,but in europe we are considered adult long time ago (we mature faster i guess.****
One could turn that around, and become rather nasty, suggesting that perhaps european women are whores?? (And, to clarify, no I do not believe that, I am just making an example, so don't get your thong twisted in a knot.)
I'm not trying to be rude, however, I find a great deal of what you have said here offensive, and thoroughly uneducated. Additionally, you make a feeble attempt to back up your argument with nothing more than speculation:
****Why would anyone be against young people having a good life?if they suprese their sexual feelings (natural feelings) its not good for them mentally.****
Many here have replied to you with love, and I hope you believe the genuinity of it. I, however, believe someone should be very frank with you. How you accept, and react, to it is totally upon your shoulders.
We believe in G-d...and He has laid out "rules" as it were. Because we love Him, we follow Him, and what He commands of us. And that includes no premarital sex, homosexual sex, etc. It also includes a love for life. Meaning, a pregnancy is not just some tissue to be gotten rid of. Honestly, what an absolute disregard for life. It's disgusting that you would say the following:
****and if you get pregnant (and not wanting the child) you just have an abortion,simple, go to the clinic and take a pill.nothing strange about it.****
Thank G-d YOUR mother thought beyond that when she was pregnant with you, eh?
I also have to say that your little digs such as the following, are unappreciated:
****eh,no, im 25.i know in america thats a child,but in europe we are considered adult long time ago (we mature faster i guess.****
One could turn that around, and become rather nasty, suggesting that perhaps european women are whores?? (And, to clarify, no I do not believe that, I am just making an example, so don't get your thong twisted in a knot.)
I'm not trying to be rude, however, I find a great deal of what you have said here offensive, and thoroughly uneducated. Additionally, you make a feeble attempt to back up your argument with nothing more than speculation:
****Why would anyone be against young people having a good life?if they suprese their sexual feelings (natural feelings) its not good for them mentally.****
Many here have replied to you with love, and I hope you believe the genuinity of it. I, however, believe someone should be very frank with you. How you accept, and react, to it is totally upon your shoulders.
[quote=Sanna,May 21 2006, 06:02 PM]
eh,no, im 25.i know in america thats a child,but in europe we are considered adult long time ago (we mature faster i guess.
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So are you saying that by having sex at an earlier age in Europe means being more mature.
Europeans must mature at around 10 years old I would imagine.
If you hate Christians so much, and apparently Americans, which is very obvious from your venemous posts, why even bother showing up? Truly.
Have all the sex you want pocket, just don't advertise it here. Also, treating abortion like it's a drop in the bucket isn't the most "mature" thing to do, no?
eh,no, im 25.i know in america thats a child,but in europe we are considered adult long time ago (we mature faster i guess.
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So are you saying that by having sex at an earlier age in Europe means being more mature.
Europeans must mature at around 10 years old I would imagine.
If you hate Christians so much, and apparently Americans, which is very obvious from your venemous posts, why even bother showing up? Truly.
Have all the sex you want pocket, just don't advertise it here. Also, treating abortion like it's a drop in the bucket isn't the most "mature" thing to do, no?
Thanks for your intelligent thoughtful mature post rcrosby...I'm sure our precious Sanna will recognize both wisdom and ignorance here.
Sanna may you find love and blessing here l pray in Jesus name.
[quote=rcrosby,May 22 2006, 02:38 PM]
God created sex in the first place. None of us would be here if our parents had not enjoyed its pleasures.
Like all human activities, it is best when done within the parameters or constraints that allow for its greatest pleasure, satisfaction, fulfillment and safety.
Let me illustrate using a simple example: The use of an autompbile is best done within the constraints of the 'rules of the road'. Thus, all drivers can then derive the greatest pleasure, satisfaction and fulfilment from the use of a car - safely! Rules are made to maximize freedom and safety - which then maximizes satisfaction and fulfilment.
My wife and I started having sex only with each other, within the guidelines of the New Testament. We married for life and the promises we made to each other in the marriage vows, we meant then and still mean today. Promises are made to be kept. That is the essence of integrity.
What this means is that neither of us will ever have to worry about personally contracting STDs - ever!
But there are many, many more benefits than that. Probably the greatest is that we have a solid and secure home life with a stable family and happy balanced well-eductaed children who are secure in themselves are fully contributing society. They, in turn, when they marry, now also have what their parents taught them and their own experience with their Mum and Dad to enable them to see the value and benefits of a lifetime monogamous relationship.
To take Jesus seriously is not to blindly stick my head in the sand and ignore things - rather, it is to squarely face my sin, admit that it holds me back and blocks my relationship with the One who made me and wants to have a lifetime (and more) relationship with me. One who, because He made me, wants most of all my happiness.
He did say afterall, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
I can truthfully say He has indeed set me free. I kow FOR SURE that I will spend eternity with Him - not because of my own inadequate merit or efforts, but because of His own word, his own righteousness - which He has conferron on me.
He attributes to me His righteousness - it is as if, in His sight, I have committed NO SIN - because when He shed his blood on the cross, He uses that to cover my sins. He can no longer see my sins. It's as if the hard drive in my life containing the record of all my sins as been reformatted! The sin record is no longer there. It has all been erased!!!!
Going back to the car analogy for a moment -- you might say that because you have to maintain the car (i.e., put gas in it, change the oil, maintain proper air pressure in the tires, change the coolant every 2 years, and change the transmission fluid, etc., etc., and there is a cost to do this both time and money) the time to do all these things diminishes your freedom - that it restricts you with ll these rules and prevents you from having a good time. So, instead, you'd rather not have all these 'rules' to follow. So, when you don't follow these rules, the car eventually and prematurely breaks down and you now have lost the greater freedom enabled by your car.
The same thing applies to our lives - in every aspect of it, including our sex life.
So, in the end, the choice is yours. Only you can answer the question - Do I want the very best that life has to offer me? - or will I settle for that wich is second rate, or worse, harmful?
As for me, I know what I have decided to go for the best - and in the search - I stumbled around and found Jesus - the mystery the prophets of old longed to understand - Christ in you, the Hope of Glory!
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Sanna may you find love and blessing here l pray in Jesus name.
[quote=rcrosby,May 22 2006, 02:38 PM]
God created sex in the first place. None of us would be here if our parents had not enjoyed its pleasures.
Like all human activities, it is best when done within the parameters or constraints that allow for its greatest pleasure, satisfaction, fulfillment and safety.
Let me illustrate using a simple example: The use of an autompbile is best done within the constraints of the 'rules of the road'. Thus, all drivers can then derive the greatest pleasure, satisfaction and fulfilment from the use of a car - safely! Rules are made to maximize freedom and safety - which then maximizes satisfaction and fulfilment.
My wife and I started having sex only with each other, within the guidelines of the New Testament. We married for life and the promises we made to each other in the marriage vows, we meant then and still mean today. Promises are made to be kept. That is the essence of integrity.
What this means is that neither of us will ever have to worry about personally contracting STDs - ever!
But there are many, many more benefits than that. Probably the greatest is that we have a solid and secure home life with a stable family and happy balanced well-eductaed children who are secure in themselves are fully contributing society. They, in turn, when they marry, now also have what their parents taught them and their own experience with their Mum and Dad to enable them to see the value and benefits of a lifetime monogamous relationship.
To take Jesus seriously is not to blindly stick my head in the sand and ignore things - rather, it is to squarely face my sin, admit that it holds me back and blocks my relationship with the One who made me and wants to have a lifetime (and more) relationship with me. One who, because He made me, wants most of all my happiness.
He did say afterall, "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free".
I can truthfully say He has indeed set me free. I kow FOR SURE that I will spend eternity with Him - not because of my own inadequate merit or efforts, but because of His own word, his own righteousness - which He has conferron on me.
He attributes to me His righteousness - it is as if, in His sight, I have committed NO SIN - because when He shed his blood on the cross, He uses that to cover my sins. He can no longer see my sins. It's as if the hard drive in my life containing the record of all my sins as been reformatted! The sin record is no longer there. It has all been erased!!!!
Going back to the car analogy for a moment -- you might say that because you have to maintain the car (i.e., put gas in it, change the oil, maintain proper air pressure in the tires, change the coolant every 2 years, and change the transmission fluid, etc., etc., and there is a cost to do this both time and money) the time to do all these things diminishes your freedom - that it restricts you with ll these rules and prevents you from having a good time. So, instead, you'd rather not have all these 'rules' to follow. So, when you don't follow these rules, the car eventually and prematurely breaks down and you now have lost the greater freedom enabled by your car.
The same thing applies to our lives - in every aspect of it, including our sex life.
So, in the end, the choice is yours. Only you can answer the question - Do I want the very best that life has to offer me? - or will I settle for that wich is second rate, or worse, harmful?
As for me, I know what I have decided to go for the best - and in the search - I stumbled around and found Jesus - the mystery the prophets of old longed to understand - Christ in you, the Hope of Glory!
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[quote=Miki,May 22 2006, 12:57 PM]
Thanks for your intelligent thoughtful mature post rcrosby...I'm sure our precious Sanna will recognize both wisdom and ignorance here.
Sanna may you find love and blessing here l pray in Jesus name.
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....And I'm sure miki in your "wisdom" and not ignorance, you will recognize who sanna is and under what other names such as pocket that he has come here with, such as insults and pathetic attempts to bash Christians non-stop.
I'm sure the love and blessings that you've prayed for will help though.
Thanks for your intelligent thoughtful mature post rcrosby...I'm sure our precious Sanna will recognize both wisdom and ignorance here.
Sanna may you find love and blessing here l pray in Jesus name.
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....And I'm sure miki in your "wisdom" and not ignorance, you will recognize who sanna is and under what other names such as pocket that he has come here with, such as insults and pathetic attempts to bash Christians non-stop.
I'm sure the love and blessings that you've prayed for will help though.
God bless you too Shaun! 
[quote]Sanna...regardless of what people say here, you have made it abundantly clear that you have preconceived notions in regards to those who are believers in Yeshua, and our views on sex. Sadly, it is quite off the mark, but when you harbor preconceived notions, anything someone might suggest seems ludicrous.[/quote]
i dont have preconceived notions,but you do, as you display this when you just said i was.i asked the questions with a suspicion, and you just confirmed what i already suspected. but you say im off the mark,please tell me why.
[quote]We believe in G-d...and He has laid out "rules" as it were. Because we love Him, we follow Him, and what He commands of us. And that includes no premarital sex, homosexual sex, etc. It also includes a love for life. Meaning, a pregnancy is not just some tissue to be gotten rid of. Honestly, what an absolute disregard for life. It's disgusting that you would say the following:[/quote]
hold on,i just saw a contradiction there,you said it included "premarital sex, homosexual sex", and then added "It also includes a love for life".if a homosexual loves someone else,should he or she not be allowed to be together?you need to make up your mind here.if homosexuality is bad in your eyes,that means people who are homosexuals love does not mean anything..... so???
and yes, a pregnancy is just that.i think we have abortion up to 15 weeks now,if its now medical reason or rape.perhaps you should take a look at a "baby" when its 10 weeks.not much to talk about really.to call it a "human life" is pretty laughable.thats my personal opinion.
and your comment also adds another confusion,"what an absolute disregard for life" you said.is that only HUMAN LIFE?because cows live to,and we kill them all the time to eat.so maybe you mean "what an absolute disregard for HUMAN life"?
[quote]Thank G-d YOUR mother thought beyond that when she was pregnant with you, eh?[/quote]
what are you talking about?if my mother did not want me,she would have had an abortion.this is just plain logic.if you dont want it you should not be forced.but clearly she decided to keep it (me).what has this to do with ANYTHING?this is not about personal feelings,its about a healthy society.
[quote]One could turn that around, and become rather nasty, suggesting that perhaps european women are whores?? (And, to clarify, no I do not believe that, I am just making an example, so don't get your thong twisted in a knot.)[/quote]
then you are pretty poorly educated.a whore (or prostitute) is a woman(or man) "who engages in sexual intercourse for money".what does having sex to do with selling yourself for sex? one is a personal choice,the other one is business. i think you confused the subjects.
[quote]Killing a human being simply because it's inconvienent is "nothing strange". I wonder about Europe(and liberals here in America)Putting a murderer to death is wrong but sucking a baby's brains out with a metal straw is OK. Seems a bit backwards to me.[/quote]
sucking a brains baby out?what baby?i dont consider it a "baby" at 10weeks for example.but thats up to you, your subjective opinion.but it does not make its true (from you).you need to know the difference between reality and your own SUBJECTIVE opinion,ok?
[quote]Freedom doesn't include the right to murder. Besides, what about the baby's rights? The mother couldn't keep her legs shut so it's an excuse to end a human life?[/quote]
a baby does not have any right when its 5 years old.how come you suddenly give it rights before it even exists?united states refused to sign the treaty that says children have rights.and NOW they have rights before even born.no, this is your own OPINION.
and "mother couldn't keep her legs shut"?erh, perhaps the contraceptive did not work? perhaps she got raped?there is thousands of reasons, your very narrowminded.
[quote]And a dog licking its butt is natural too, the difference is that we humans aren't creatures of instinct. We can resist our urges. Casual sex is dumb for a variety of reasons. [/quote]
yes we are. the difference between other animals (we are animals too you know) is that, amongst other things,we are self-aware.
[quote]1. Diseases- and no, you can't just go to the clinic and get a pill for AIDS or Herpes. You'll have Herpes forever and AIDS WILL kill you. Not MIGHT kill you. It WILL kill you. Is casual sex worth it?[/quote]
yyou go to a clinic for contraceptive.i did not say "get a pill for AIDS or Herpes". herpes you can get through kissing. and i think around 80% of the worlds population have it.aids you can get by other things to,but personally i dont have sex with anyone that have aids.its up to you if you have of course. you can have condoms, tests if you worry.
[quote]2. Pregnancy, sure you could get it aborted but many women develop psychological problems afterwards from the guilt they carry. They'll carry that guilt for the rest of their lives. Some women also become sterile afterwards. So just because they "wanted a little action" they'll never be able to give birth. [/quote]
i dont know any woman who feels "guilty" for having an abortion.i suspect the only ones feeling it is christians that hear this kind of propaganda,and you tell them they should be ashamed,and are bad people.so i would blame YOU for this.SOME people lose their legs when they drive a car,so does this mean no one should drive a car? the majority of woman in the world having an abortion have no problems.shiver propaganda i call this.
[quote]3. Marraige, so you decide to settle down and get married but since you're so used to lustful living you screw around and ruin your marraige. That's good on your kids. Broken homes ALWAYS make the ideal environment for raising kids. [/quote]
erh????????
i dont know what to say about this,this must be the most ignorant statement i ever read.the majority of the worlds population have had sex before marriage,and the majority does not cheat their wifes or husbands. so i dont get your comment,WHAT????
if you have someone to love,WHY WOULD YOU CHEAT?its a contradiction,you seem to talk about people who are NOT happy, well,THERE not HAPPY.and it would matter if they would not have had sex before or not,because... THEY ARE NOT HAPPY. this is ludicrous.stop talking abonut other things.
[quote]So let's hear how casual sex is beneficial. "Feeling good" isn't exactly a convincing argument. Scratching myself "feels good" but as with most things there's a time and place for that. Doing something that "feels good" whenever you want is what animals do.[/quote]
we are animals.did you not know? cheezes,are you homeschooled?
[quote]You will only enjoy sex when you make a COMMITMENT with a partner, and marriage is the best commitment possible because it tells each partner his partner cares ENOUGH to want to engage permanent relationship.[/quote]
this is one of the worst quotes i seen so far.you CLAIM that ANYONE cant NOT enjoy sex if its NOT in a COMMITMENT?is there anything else you want to claim? khaki pants are NOT accepted?McDonalds hamburgers are Evil?
this is your OPINION.it does not magically become true just because you have this opinion. do you understand what subjective means?it means its your individual opinion,means nothing except for you.in contrast,a objective opinion would be what we call "truth", like "water is wet".
understand?your opinion subjective,means nothing. also, its over 50% broken marriages in america.which is good,its better to DIVORCE then be together even if it does not work (like some of you seem to want, even if it does not work, you will still not divorce, oor children living in such a love-lacking family)...
shaun,what?this is the first time i am here.and if you call it "christian bashing" just beause i say things thats true,sure,but dont insult me please.
sanna
i dont have preconceived notions,but you do, as you display this when you just said i was.i asked the questions with a suspicion, and you just confirmed what i already suspected. but you say im off the mark,please tell me why.
[quote]We believe in G-d...and He has laid out "rules" as it were. Because we love Him, we follow Him, and what He commands of us. And that includes no premarital sex, homosexual sex, etc. It also includes a love for life. Meaning, a pregnancy is not just some tissue to be gotten rid of. Honestly, what an absolute disregard for life. It's disgusting that you would say the following:[/quote]
hold on,i just saw a contradiction there,you said it included "premarital sex, homosexual sex", and then added "It also includes a love for life".if a homosexual loves someone else,should he or she not be allowed to be together?you need to make up your mind here.if homosexuality is bad in your eyes,that means people who are homosexuals love does not mean anything..... so???
and yes, a pregnancy is just that.i think we have abortion up to 15 weeks now,if its now medical reason or rape.perhaps you should take a look at a "baby" when its 10 weeks.not much to talk about really.to call it a "human life" is pretty laughable.thats my personal opinion.
and your comment also adds another confusion,"what an absolute disregard for life" you said.is that only HUMAN LIFE?because cows live to,and we kill them all the time to eat.so maybe you mean "what an absolute disregard for HUMAN life"?
[quote]Thank G-d YOUR mother thought beyond that when she was pregnant with you, eh?[/quote]
what are you talking about?if my mother did not want me,she would have had an abortion.this is just plain logic.if you dont want it you should not be forced.but clearly she decided to keep it (me).what has this to do with ANYTHING?this is not about personal feelings,its about a healthy society.
[quote]One could turn that around, and become rather nasty, suggesting that perhaps european women are whores?? (And, to clarify, no I do not believe that, I am just making an example, so don't get your thong twisted in a knot.)[/quote]
then you are pretty poorly educated.a whore (or prostitute) is a woman(or man) "who engages in sexual intercourse for money".what does having sex to do with selling yourself for sex? one is a personal choice,the other one is business. i think you confused the subjects.
[quote]Killing a human being simply because it's inconvienent is "nothing strange". I wonder about Europe(and liberals here in America)Putting a murderer to death is wrong but sucking a baby's brains out with a metal straw is OK. Seems a bit backwards to me.[/quote]
sucking a brains baby out?what baby?i dont consider it a "baby" at 10weeks for example.but thats up to you, your subjective opinion.but it does not make its true (from you).you need to know the difference between reality and your own SUBJECTIVE opinion,ok?
[quote]Freedom doesn't include the right to murder. Besides, what about the baby's rights? The mother couldn't keep her legs shut so it's an excuse to end a human life?[/quote]
a baby does not have any right when its 5 years old.how come you suddenly give it rights before it even exists?united states refused to sign the treaty that says children have rights.and NOW they have rights before even born.no, this is your own OPINION.
and "mother couldn't keep her legs shut"?erh, perhaps the contraceptive did not work? perhaps she got raped?there is thousands of reasons, your very narrowminded.
[quote]And a dog licking its butt is natural too, the difference is that we humans aren't creatures of instinct. We can resist our urges. Casual sex is dumb for a variety of reasons. [/quote]
yes we are. the difference between other animals (we are animals too you know) is that, amongst other things,we are self-aware.
[quote]1. Diseases- and no, you can't just go to the clinic and get a pill for AIDS or Herpes. You'll have Herpes forever and AIDS WILL kill you. Not MIGHT kill you. It WILL kill you. Is casual sex worth it?[/quote]
yyou go to a clinic for contraceptive.i did not say "get a pill for AIDS or Herpes". herpes you can get through kissing. and i think around 80% of the worlds population have it.aids you can get by other things to,but personally i dont have sex with anyone that have aids.its up to you if you have of course. you can have condoms, tests if you worry.
[quote]2. Pregnancy, sure you could get it aborted but many women develop psychological problems afterwards from the guilt they carry. They'll carry that guilt for the rest of their lives. Some women also become sterile afterwards. So just because they "wanted a little action" they'll never be able to give birth. [/quote]
i dont know any woman who feels "guilty" for having an abortion.i suspect the only ones feeling it is christians that hear this kind of propaganda,and you tell them they should be ashamed,and are bad people.so i would blame YOU for this.SOME people lose their legs when they drive a car,so does this mean no one should drive a car? the majority of woman in the world having an abortion have no problems.shiver propaganda i call this.
[quote]3. Marraige, so you decide to settle down and get married but since you're so used to lustful living you screw around and ruin your marraige. That's good on your kids. Broken homes ALWAYS make the ideal environment for raising kids. [/quote]
erh????????
i dont know what to say about this,this must be the most ignorant statement i ever read.the majority of the worlds population have had sex before marriage,and the majority does not cheat their wifes or husbands. so i dont get your comment,WHAT????
if you have someone to love,WHY WOULD YOU CHEAT?its a contradiction,you seem to talk about people who are NOT happy, well,THERE not HAPPY.and it would matter if they would not have had sex before or not,because... THEY ARE NOT HAPPY. this is ludicrous.stop talking abonut other things.
[quote]So let's hear how casual sex is beneficial. "Feeling good" isn't exactly a convincing argument. Scratching myself "feels good" but as with most things there's a time and place for that. Doing something that "feels good" whenever you want is what animals do.[/quote]
we are animals.did you not know? cheezes,are you homeschooled?
[quote]You will only enjoy sex when you make a COMMITMENT with a partner, and marriage is the best commitment possible because it tells each partner his partner cares ENOUGH to want to engage permanent relationship.[/quote]
this is one of the worst quotes i seen so far.you CLAIM that ANYONE cant NOT enjoy sex if its NOT in a COMMITMENT?is there anything else you want to claim? khaki pants are NOT accepted?McDonalds hamburgers are Evil?
this is your OPINION.it does not magically become true just because you have this opinion. do you understand what subjective means?it means its your individual opinion,means nothing except for you.in contrast,a objective opinion would be what we call "truth", like "water is wet".
understand?your opinion subjective,means nothing. also, its over 50% broken marriages in america.which is good,its better to DIVORCE then be together even if it does not work (like some of you seem to want, even if it does not work, you will still not divorce, oor children living in such a love-lacking family)...
shaun,what?this is the first time i am here.and if you call it "christian bashing" just beause i say things thats true,sure,but dont insult me please.
sanna
The Bible says sin in good for a season and then................ 
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shaun,what?this is the first time i am here.and if you call it "christian bashing" just beause i say things thats true,sure,but dont insult me please.
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You must be pocket's twin then with the exact same writing style and attitute. Whatever.
shaun,what?this is the first time i am here.and if you call it "christian bashing" just beause i say things thats true,sure,but dont insult me please.
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You must be pocket's twin then with the exact same writing style and attitute. Whatever.
Another beautiful and uplifting post.
God bless you Senteami
love,
rosie
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You are welcome!
***Sanna:
i dont have preconceived notions,but you do, as you display this when you just said i was.i asked the questions with a suspicion, and you just confirmed what i already suspected. but you say im off the mark,please tell me why.***
I have never denied I have preconceived notions...we ALL do. However, again, you have made it abundantly clear that you do not believe in G-d, and thus via speculation, have come to ill-conclusions about christians and sex, as evidenced in your topic title, and repeated time and again in this thread.
***Sanna:
hold on,i just saw a contradiction there,you said it included "premarital sex, homosexual sex", and then added "It also includes a love for life".if a homosexual loves someone else,should he or she not be allowed to be together?you need to make up your mind here.if homosexuality is bad in your eyes,that means people who are homosexuals love does not mean anything..... so???***
Yeah. Nice red herring. I was specifically referring to abortion, and you know it. Nice attempt to convolute it, however. As for homosexuality...since you seem to want me to address it, YES! I BELIEVE IT IS WRONG! And, so does G-d. I also do not believe it is anything other than a CHOICE! I have friends who in the PAST believed they were "gay"; even they will say that their deviance was a CHOICE.
***Sanna:
and yes, a pregnancy is just that.i think we have abortion up to 15 weeks now,if its now medical reason or rape.perhaps you should take a look at a "baby" when its 10 weeks.not much to talk about really.***
Yeah...and rape pregnancies are extremely rare. I happen to moderate on an abortion forum, and know quite well the ins and outs of abortion, statistics, etc. In an attempt to keep the thread on topic, I won't go into abortion specifics/statistics here.
***Sanna:
to call it a "human life" is pretty laughable.thats my personal opinion.***
I just have to point out that YOUR OPINION does not equate to fact, truth, nor good choices.
***Sanna:
and your comment also adds another confusion,"what an absolute disregard for life" you said.is that only HUMAN LIFE?because cows live to,and we kill them all the time to eat.so maybe you mean "what an absolute disregard for HUMAN life"?***
Yeah...yet another red herring. Nice try. First off, I am quite certain humans are of far more value than animals. Well, to most, anyhow. Secondly, G-d gave us dominion over animals, for food, warmth, etc. To clarify, I personally am not for killing animals for sport. But, that is a matter of opinion...I can recogise that...can you?
***Sanna:
what are you talking about?if my mother did not want me,she would have had an abortion.this is just plain logic.if you dont want it you should not be forced.but clearly she decided to keep it (me).what has this to do with ANYTHING?this is not about personal feelings,its about a healthy society.***
I'm sorry...I just have to laugh at this. Sorry if you don't quite get when someone is making a point.
***Sanna:
then you are pretty poorly educated.a whore (or prostitute) is a woman(or man) "who engages in sexual intercourse for money".what does having sex to do with selling yourself for sex? one is a personal choice,the other one is business. i think you confused the subjects.***
Laughing here too. Pretty certain that "whore" is slang world wide for a trollop. Slut. Woman of loose morals. Call it what you like. You know full well I was not referring to a common dictionary translation...but whatever. Calling it what it is...yet another red herring.
Since the rest of what you quoted and replied to is not mine, I won't waste my time replying.
i dont have preconceived notions,but you do, as you display this when you just said i was.i asked the questions with a suspicion, and you just confirmed what i already suspected. but you say im off the mark,please tell me why.***
I have never denied I have preconceived notions...we ALL do. However, again, you have made it abundantly clear that you do not believe in G-d, and thus via speculation, have come to ill-conclusions about christians and sex, as evidenced in your topic title, and repeated time and again in this thread.
***Sanna:
hold on,i just saw a contradiction there,you said it included "premarital sex, homosexual sex", and then added "It also includes a love for life".if a homosexual loves someone else,should he or she not be allowed to be together?you need to make up your mind here.if homosexuality is bad in your eyes,that means people who are homosexuals love does not mean anything..... so???***
Yeah. Nice red herring. I was specifically referring to abortion, and you know it. Nice attempt to convolute it, however. As for homosexuality...since you seem to want me to address it, YES! I BELIEVE IT IS WRONG! And, so does G-d. I also do not believe it is anything other than a CHOICE! I have friends who in the PAST believed they were "gay"; even they will say that their deviance was a CHOICE.
***Sanna:
and yes, a pregnancy is just that.i think we have abortion up to 15 weeks now,if its now medical reason or rape.perhaps you should take a look at a "baby" when its 10 weeks.not much to talk about really.***
Yeah...and rape pregnancies are extremely rare. I happen to moderate on an abortion forum, and know quite well the ins and outs of abortion, statistics, etc. In an attempt to keep the thread on topic, I won't go into abortion specifics/statistics here.
***Sanna:
to call it a "human life" is pretty laughable.thats my personal opinion.***
I just have to point out that YOUR OPINION does not equate to fact, truth, nor good choices.
***Sanna:
and your comment also adds another confusion,"what an absolute disregard for life" you said.is that only HUMAN LIFE?because cows live to,and we kill them all the time to eat.so maybe you mean "what an absolute disregard for HUMAN life"?***
Yeah...yet another red herring. Nice try. First off, I am quite certain humans are of far more value than animals. Well, to most, anyhow. Secondly, G-d gave us dominion over animals, for food, warmth, etc. To clarify, I personally am not for killing animals for sport. But, that is a matter of opinion...I can recogise that...can you?
***Sanna:
what are you talking about?if my mother did not want me,she would have had an abortion.this is just plain logic.if you dont want it you should not be forced.but clearly she decided to keep it (me).what has this to do with ANYTHING?this is not about personal feelings,its about a healthy society.***
I'm sorry...I just have to laugh at this. Sorry if you don't quite get when someone is making a point.
***Sanna:
then you are pretty poorly educated.a whore (or prostitute) is a woman(or man) "who engages in sexual intercourse for money".what does having sex to do with selling yourself for sex? one is a personal choice,the other one is business. i think you confused the subjects.***
Laughing here too. Pretty certain that "whore" is slang world wide for a trollop. Slut. Woman of loose morals. Call it what you like. You know full well I was not referring to a common dictionary translation...but whatever. Calling it what it is...yet another red herring.
Since the rest of what you quoted and replied to is not mine, I won't waste my time replying.
The Bible says sin in good for a season and then................ 
[QUOTE]sucking a brains baby out?what baby?i dont consider it a "baby" at 10weeks [/QUOTE]
Exactly when does it become a living creature?
FACT. Brain waves are detectable at 6 weeks. http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/fetusdevelopment.html
Is brain activity not enough to determine life?
[QUOTE]a baby does not have any right when its 5 years old.how come you suddenly give it rights before it even exists?united states refused to sign the treaty that says children have rights.and NOW they have rights before even born.no, this is your own OPINION.
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Opinion? Here's yet another FACT. The Declaration of Indepedence clearly states that all men are born with certain unalienable rights and among these are LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why should we sign a treaty when it's already stated clearly
[QUOTE]and "mother couldn't keep her legs shut"?erh, perhaps the contraceptive did not work? perhaps she got raped?there is thousands of reasons, your very narrowminded.[/QUOTE]
As was already stated very few rapes end in pregnancy so therefore what I say again is FACT. The woman couldn't keep her legs shut and got pregnant. I am extremely narrowminded. I go by what is right.
[QUOTE]yyou go to a clinic for contraceptive.i did not say "get a pill for AIDS or Herpes". herpes you can get through kissing. and i think around 80% of the worlds population have it[/QUOTE]
80%? Lemme guess, you pulled that figure out of your butt. You keep talking about how what we have are opinions while you have the facts but once again that proves to be wrong. Here's another pesky FACT. There are 2 types of herpes, the more common HSV 1 which is the kind spread orally. But there's also HSV 2 which is genital herpes, which is spread by sex.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdherp.htm
[QUOTE]i dont know any woman who feels "guilty" for having an abortion[/QUOTE]
So since you don't know any they must not exist? Wow, talk about opinion instead of fact. Here's those pesky FACTS again.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf14.html
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/tul/pap1.html
http://www.dianedew.com/trauma.htm
[QUOTE] dont know what to say about this,this must be the most ignorant statement i ever read.the majority of the worlds population have had sex before marriage[/QUOTE]
And as you mentioned 50% of marraiges end in divorce. The divore rate has skyrocketed
http://marriageromance.com/stories/10802697703.htm
Heres a nice artice on STD's. http://www.ashastd.org/pdfs/std_rep.pdf
Here's another pesky fact. If you and your future partner both sleep around before marraige the chances of one or both of you getting an STD is infinitely higher than if both of you remained pure until marraige. But I guess oozing sores on your genitals is worth it.
[QUOTE]we are animals.did you not know?[/QUOTE]
Personally I consider myself ABOVE animals. I have a conscience. I can resist my urges. I also can think intelligently and realize that the stupid thing I do now may have dire consequences in the future. Animals do not have this. How about you?
[QUOTE]this is your OPINION.it does not magically become true just because you have this opinion[/QUOTE]
Even though you wrote this you need to read it over end over again. I have presented FACTS while you're entire argument revolves around how it feels good and personal beliefs.
Exactly when does it become a living creature?
FACT. Brain waves are detectable at 6 weeks. http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/fetusdevelopment.html
Is brain activity not enough to determine life?
[QUOTE]a baby does not have any right when its 5 years old.how come you suddenly give it rights before it even exists?united states refused to sign the treaty that says children have rights.and NOW they have rights before even born.no, this is your own OPINION.
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Opinion? Here's yet another FACT. The Declaration of Indepedence clearly states that all men are born with certain unalienable rights and among these are LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why should we sign a treaty when it's already stated clearly
[QUOTE]and "mother couldn't keep her legs shut"?erh, perhaps the contraceptive did not work? perhaps she got raped?there is thousands of reasons, your very narrowminded.[/QUOTE]
As was already stated very few rapes end in pregnancy so therefore what I say again is FACT. The woman couldn't keep her legs shut and got pregnant. I am extremely narrowminded. I go by what is right.
[QUOTE]yyou go to a clinic for contraceptive.i did not say "get a pill for AIDS or Herpes". herpes you can get through kissing. and i think around 80% of the worlds population have it[/QUOTE]
80%? Lemme guess, you pulled that figure out of your butt. You keep talking about how what we have are opinions while you have the facts but once again that proves to be wrong. Here's another pesky FACT. There are 2 types of herpes, the more common HSV 1 which is the kind spread orally. But there's also HSV 2 which is genital herpes, which is spread by sex.
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdherp.htm
[QUOTE]i dont know any woman who feels "guilty" for having an abortion[/QUOTE]
So since you don't know any they must not exist? Wow, talk about opinion instead of fact. Here's those pesky FACTS again.
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf14.html
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/tul/pap1.html
http://www.dianedew.com/trauma.htm
[QUOTE] dont know what to say about this,this must be the most ignorant statement i ever read.the majority of the worlds population have had sex before marriage[/QUOTE]
And as you mentioned 50% of marraiges end in divorce. The divore rate has skyrocketed
http://marriageromance.com/stories/10802697703.htm
Heres a nice artice on STD's. http://www.ashastd.org/pdfs/std_rep.pdf
Here's another pesky fact. If you and your future partner both sleep around before marraige the chances of one or both of you getting an STD is infinitely higher than if both of you remained pure until marraige. But I guess oozing sores on your genitals is worth it.
[QUOTE]we are animals.did you not know?[/QUOTE]
Personally I consider myself ABOVE animals. I have a conscience. I can resist my urges. I also can think intelligently and realize that the stupid thing I do now may have dire consequences in the future. Animals do not have this. How about you?
[QUOTE]this is your OPINION.it does not magically become true just because you have this opinion[/QUOTE]
Even though you wrote this you need to read it over end over again. I have presented FACTS while you're entire argument revolves around how it feels good and personal beliefs.
There is serious quoting problem here can anyone fix it?.
Hmmm. About the topic.
1. Abortion is murder.
2. Sex before marriage is sin.
There are lots about it.
If u read Deuteronomy. U will see what Lord says about sex and so on.
This site will be very intresting for most of them.
http://www.porn-free.org/ . This site is not about porn but truth about porn and sexual addiction.
Have fun reading and u will never regret.
Let the truth shall set u free.
David.
Hmmm. About the topic.
1. Abortion is murder.
2. Sex before marriage is sin.
There are lots about it.
If u read Deuteronomy. U will see what Lord says about sex and so on.
This site will be very intresting for most of them.
http://www.porn-free.org/ . This site is not about porn but truth about porn and sexual addiction.
Have fun reading and u will never regret.
Let the truth shall set u free.
David.
Actually the Gospel is simple. God tells us what He wants people to know. We do not have to explain our morals to the unsaved as they cannot see. That is why there are so many questions asked.
What Erik should do is realise he is a sinner and repent, for the Kingdom of God is near. Stop sinning, repent, be baptised and you will be saved. Jesus died for your sins.
Those who deny this free gift of grace will be lost. It is their choice. Jesus never ran after anybody to force them to believe, it was always left up to them.
So its a simple choice: All those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Those who do not , will be lost.
So its not a moral issue. Nothing to explain, nothing to understand.
The flesh will ALWAYS argue this, as no doubt Erik will illustrate for us.
What Erik should do is realise he is a sinner and repent, for the Kingdom of God is near. Stop sinning, repent, be baptised and you will be saved. Jesus died for your sins.
Those who deny this free gift of grace will be lost. It is their choice. Jesus never ran after anybody to force them to believe, it was always left up to them.
So its a simple choice: All those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Those who do not , will be lost.
So its not a moral issue. Nothing to explain, nothing to understand.
The flesh will ALWAYS argue this, as no doubt Erik will illustrate for us.
[quote=Cornelius,May 22 2006, 05:22 PM]
Actually the Gospel is simple. God tells us what He wants people to know. We do not have to explain our morals to the unsaved as they cannot see. That is why there are so many questions asked.
What Erik should do is realise he is a sinner and repent, for the Kingdom of God is near. Stop sinning, repent, be baptised and you will be saved. Jesus died for your sins.
Those who deny this free gift of grace will be lost. It is their choice. Jesus never ran after anybody to force them to believe, it was always left up to them.
So its a simple choice: All those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Those who do not , will be lost.
So its not a moral issue. Nothing to explain, nothing to understand.
The flesh will ALWAYS argue this, as no doubt Erik will illustrate for us.
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Its the truth, C. Thanks...
Actually the Gospel is simple. God tells us what He wants people to know. We do not have to explain our morals to the unsaved as they cannot see. That is why there are so many questions asked.
What Erik should do is realise he is a sinner and repent, for the Kingdom of God is near. Stop sinning, repent, be baptised and you will be saved. Jesus died for your sins.
Those who deny this free gift of grace will be lost. It is their choice. Jesus never ran after anybody to force them to believe, it was always left up to them.
So its a simple choice: All those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Those who do not , will be lost.
So its not a moral issue. Nothing to explain, nothing to understand.
The flesh will ALWAYS argue this, as no doubt Erik will illustrate for us.
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Its the truth, C. Thanks...
[quote=Cornelius,May 22 2006, 05:22 PM]
Actually the Gospel is simple. God tells us what He wants people to know. We do not have to explain our morals to the unsaved as they cannot see. That is why there are so many questions asked.
What Erik should do is realise he is a sinner and repent, for the Kingdom of God is near. Stop sinning, repent, be baptised and you will be saved. Jesus died for your sins.
Those who deny this free gift of grace will be lost. It is their choice. Jesus never ran after anybody to force them to believe, it was always left up to them.
So its a simple choice: All those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Those who do not , will be lost.
So its not a moral issue. Nothing to explain, nothing to understand.
The flesh will ALWAYS argue this, as no doubt Erik will illustrate for us.
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Amen, you couldn't say it any better than that Cornelius.
For this is what the Lord says.
You are right there is no reason for argue with one who simply does not see yet.
When you give your heart, mind and soul to the Lord Sanna, you will see.
We want to follow our Lord.
Nothing anyone can say will stop me from following what my Jesus says.
Actually the Gospel is simple. God tells us what He wants people to know. We do not have to explain our morals to the unsaved as they cannot see. That is why there are so many questions asked.
What Erik should do is realise he is a sinner and repent, for the Kingdom of God is near. Stop sinning, repent, be baptised and you will be saved. Jesus died for your sins.
Those who deny this free gift of grace will be lost. It is their choice. Jesus never ran after anybody to force them to believe, it was always left up to them.
So its a simple choice: All those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Those who do not , will be lost.
So its not a moral issue. Nothing to explain, nothing to understand.
The flesh will ALWAYS argue this, as no doubt Erik will illustrate for us.
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Amen, you couldn't say it any better than that Cornelius.
For this is what the Lord says.
You are right there is no reason for argue with one who simply does not see yet.
When you give your heart, mind and soul to the Lord Sanna, you will see.
We want to follow our Lord.
Nothing anyone can say will stop me from following what my Jesus says.
AMEN Cornelius!!! Extremely well stated. 
Wow, is this thread still going?
If Sanna is still around, I have a message for you.
As I stated on another thread, The only way you will EVER understand God's word is if you have Jesus in your heart, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Either you are here (by whatever name you use) to try and pull others into your eternal torment, or you are being drawn here by God. John Chapter 3 vs 5-6 says: (NASV)
Jesus answered "Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit".
If that does not appeal to your spirit, try this: Matt Ch 4 vs 7-10 (NASV)
Jesus said to him " On the other hand, it is written, YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST" Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory; and he said to Him. "All these things will I give You, if You fall down and worship me" Then Jesus said to him, " Begone Satan! For it is written, YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY"
Mark Ch 6 vs 10-11(NASV) tells us this:
And he said to them, Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave town. And any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake off the dust from the soles of your feet for a testimony against them".
Now either this is good news for you, or it is bad news, it depends on who you are. I believe all who have been following these writings here and elsewhere need to take heed.
Blessings,
Candy
If Sanna is still around, I have a message for you.
As I stated on another thread, The only way you will EVER understand God's word is if you have Jesus in your heart, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Either you are here (by whatever name you use) to try and pull others into your eternal torment, or you are being drawn here by God. John Chapter 3 vs 5-6 says: (NASV)
Jesus answered "Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit".
If that does not appeal to your spirit, try this: Matt Ch 4 vs 7-10 (NASV)
Jesus said to him " On the other hand, it is written, YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST" Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory; and he said to Him. "All these things will I give You, if You fall down and worship me" Then Jesus said to him, " Begone Satan! For it is written, YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY"
Mark Ch 6 vs 10-11(NASV) tells us this:
And he said to them, Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave town. And any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake off the dust from the soles of your feet for a testimony against them".
Now either this is good news for you, or it is bad news, it depends on who you are. I believe all who have been following these writings here and elsewhere need to take heed.
Blessings,
Candy
[quote=Lookfortruth,May 22 2006, 06:29 PM]
Wow, is this thread still going?
If Sanna is still around, I have a message for you.
As I stated on another thread, The only way you will EVER understand God's word is if you have Jesus in your heart, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Either you are here (by whatever name you use) to try and pull others into your eternal torment, or you are being drawn here by God. John Chapter 3 vs 5-6 says: (NASV)
Jesus answered "Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit".
If that does not appeal to your spirit, try this: Matt Ch 4 vs 7-10 (NASV)
Jesus said to him " On the other hand, it is written, YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST" Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory; and he said to Him. "All these things will I give You, if You fall down and worship me" Then Jesus said to him, " Begone Satan! For it is written, YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY"
Mark Ch 6 vs 10-11(NASV) tells us this:
And he said to them, Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave town. And any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake off the dust from the soles of your feet for a testimony against them".
Now either this is good news for you, or it is bad news, it depends on who you are. I believe all who have been following these writings here and elsewhere need to take heed.
Blessings,
Candy
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Amen to that LOOKFORTRUTH!
Sanna should check out the 3D photo's of a 3 month old baby on the picture thread. Sanna please re-think many things you are saying here...you speak out of anger. I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that.
Wow, is this thread still going?
If Sanna is still around, I have a message for you.
As I stated on another thread, The only way you will EVER understand God's word is if you have Jesus in your heart, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Either you are here (by whatever name you use) to try and pull others into your eternal torment, or you are being drawn here by God. John Chapter 3 vs 5-6 says: (NASV)
Jesus answered "Truly, truly I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit".
If that does not appeal to your spirit, try this: Matt Ch 4 vs 7-10 (NASV)
Jesus said to him " On the other hand, it is written, YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST" Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory; and he said to Him. "All these things will I give You, if You fall down and worship me" Then Jesus said to him, " Begone Satan! For it is written, YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY"
Mark Ch 6 vs 10-11(NASV) tells us this:
And he said to them, Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave town. And any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake off the dust from the soles of your feet for a testimony against them".
Now either this is good news for you, or it is bad news, it depends on who you are. I believe all who have been following these writings here and elsewhere need to take heed.
Blessings,
Candy
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Amen to that LOOKFORTRUTH!
Sanna should check out the 3D photo's of a 3 month old baby on the picture thread. Sanna please re-think many things you are saying here...you speak out of anger. I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that.
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I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that.
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So true, so true "Marta".
Unfotunately, if someone doesn't believe in God, they are not going to believe that the devil is real either. It's all fantasy and a fairytale to them.
I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that.
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So true, so true "Marta".
Unfotunately, if someone doesn't believe in God, they are not going to believe that the devil is real either. It's all fantasy and a fairytale to them.
Oh, but the power of prayer is real. Pocket/Sanna will be saved. GOD is seeking him out. That is why he keeps coming here. So, everone pray for him to see JESUS is real! Yes, Pocket/Sanna I am still praying for you. So, has your wife had the baby yet? There is a miracle in the newborn baby. The unconditional love of that child is like the unconditional love of FATHER GOD. You will soon see the truth in that little one's face.
Yes, Pocket/Sanna I am still praying for you. So, has your wife had the baby yet? There is a miracle in the newborn baby. The unconditional love of that child is like the unconditional love of FATHER GOD. You will soon see the truth in that little one's face.
Why the hostile attitude Sanna?.
[quote=LemuelReyes,May 23 2006, 03:42 AM]
Why the hostile attitude Sanna?.
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you mean hostility towards ME? yes?
[QUOTE]Sanna should check out the 3D photo's of a 3 month old baby on the picture thread. Sanna please re-think many things you are saying here...you speak out of anger. I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that. [/QUOTE]
eh? how cdan i be angry towards something hat does not exist?and where do you get this from that i am "angry"?this is called self-projection, you project your OWN anger on me.
and btw,if God created everything,does this does not mean he created Satan you blame everything on?then GOD is responsible for it,ipso-facto.you just said it.cheezes.
Why the hostile attitude Sanna?.
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you mean hostility towards ME? yes?
[QUOTE]Sanna should check out the 3D photo's of a 3 month old baby on the picture thread. Sanna please re-think many things you are saying here...you speak out of anger. I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that. [/QUOTE]
eh? how cdan i be angry towards something hat does not exist?and where do you get this from that i am "angry"?this is called self-projection, you project your OWN anger on me.
and btw,if God created everything,does this does not mean he created Satan you blame everything on?then GOD is responsible for it,ipso-facto.you just said it.cheezes.
I didn't read all the other stuff about who pocket is or isn't so l come in blind and see mutual condemnation going on. Sanna do you believe in God?
[quote=Sanna,May 23 2006, 11:28 PM]
[quote=LemuelReyes,May 23 2006, 03:42 AM]
Why the hostile attitude Sanna?.
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you mean hostility towards ME? yes?
[QUOTE]Sanna should check out the 3D photo's of a 3 month old baby on the picture thread. Sanna please re-think many things you are saying here...you speak out of anger. I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that. [/QUOTE]
eh? how cdan i be angry towards something hat does not exist?and where do you get this from that i am "angry"?this is called self-projection, you project your OWN anger on me.
and btw,if God created everything,does this does not mean he created Satan you blame everything on?then GOD is responsible for it,ipso-facto.you just said it.cheezes.
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Hmm. Sanna. People are blind. Everyday i hear people only blaming on God on everything. God is laughing at u all. Anyways i have nothing to worry about. Iam already a enemy to this earth.
And sanna. If u like to seek truth better pray. If u are not in Lord side then u are in Devil side. There is no neutral. Pick your sides.
God gaves has power to know which is Good and which is Bad.
Please dont blame anything on God.
There are many lies in this word and people think those are truth. When truth is near they believe it is lies.
[quote=LemuelReyes,May 23 2006, 03:42 AM]
Why the hostile attitude Sanna?.
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you mean hostility towards ME? yes?
[QUOTE]Sanna should check out the 3D photo's of a 3 month old baby on the picture thread. Sanna please re-think many things you are saying here...you speak out of anger. I'm SO SICK OF PEOPLE BLAMING GOD FOR EVERYTHING!!! GOD created you but it is SATAN the BEAST of THIS WORLD that you should blame. People need to check themselves and realize that. [/QUOTE]
eh? how cdan i be angry towards something hat does not exist?and where do you get this from that i am "angry"?this is called self-projection, you project your OWN anger on me.
and btw,if God created everything,does this does not mean he created Satan you blame everything on?then GOD is responsible for it,ipso-facto.you just said it.cheezes.
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Hmm. Sanna. People are blind. Everyday i hear people only blaming on God on everything. God is laughing at u all. Anyways i have nothing to worry about. Iam already a enemy to this earth.
And sanna. If u like to seek truth better pray. If u are not in Lord side then u are in Devil side. There is no neutral. Pick your sides.
God gaves has power to know which is Good and which is Bad.
Please dont blame anything on God.
There are many lies in this word and people think those are truth. When truth is near they believe it is lies.
[QUOTE]I didn't read all the other stuff about who pocket is or isn't so l come in blind and see mutual condemnation going on. Sanna do you believe in God? [/QUOTE]
you need to define what you mean with "God".else i cant answer. and thankyou for seeing that i am getting attacked by everyone here just because i am ASKING SOME QUESTIONS.i dont know why they are so hateful,and then they deny it if i tell them,they are full of hatred,i dont know why.
[QUOTE]And sanna. If u like to seek truth better pray. If u are not in Lord side then u are in Devil side. There is no neutral. Pick your sides.[/QUOTE]
what??? that does not sound reasnoable.why would i be on the "devils side" if im not "your side"???thats like the american president saying "your either against us or with us",its one of the most stupid things i ever heard.
ofcourse there is neutral.are you mad?either against you or with you?whats wrong with you?
you need to define what you mean with "God".else i cant answer. and thankyou for seeing that i am getting attacked by everyone here just because i am ASKING SOME QUESTIONS.i dont know why they are so hateful,and then they deny it if i tell them,they are full of hatred,i dont know why.
[QUOTE]And sanna. If u like to seek truth better pray. If u are not in Lord side then u are in Devil side. There is no neutral. Pick your sides.[/QUOTE]
what??? that does not sound reasnoable.why would i be on the "devils side" if im not "your side"???thats like the american president saying "your either against us or with us",its one of the most stupid things i ever heard.
ofcourse there is neutral.are you mad?either against you or with you?whats wrong with you?
Point proven and I rest my case
C
C
***Sanna:
i am getting attacked by everyone here just because i am ASKING SOME QUESTIONS***
Since you have made the accusation, I would appreciate it if you would point out where exactly I have attacked you Sanna. Be careful of making blanket statements you cannot back up.
i am getting attacked by everyone here just because i am ASKING SOME QUESTIONS***
Since you have made the accusation, I would appreciate it if you would point out where exactly I have attacked you Sanna. Be careful of making blanket statements you cannot back up.
We all have to be aware that Sanna/Pocket is just innocently "asking questions". He's not attacking anyone at all. He is the victim.
As long as we have that straight.
As long as we have that straight.
[quote=Sanna,May 24 2006, 01:08 AM]
[QUOTE]I didn't read all the other stuff about who pocket is or isn't so l come in blind and see mutual condemnation going on. Sanna do you believe in God? [/QUOTE]
you need to define what you mean with "God".else i cant answer. and thankyou for seeing that i am getting attacked by everyone here just because i am ASKING SOME QUESTIONS.i dont know why they are so hateful,and then they deny it if i tell them,they are full of hatred,i dont know why.
[QUOTE]And sanna. If u like to seek truth better pray. If u are not in Lord side then u are in Devil side. There is no neutral. Pick your sides.[/QUOTE]
what??? that does not sound reasnoable.why would i be on the "devils side" if im not "your side"???thats like the american president saying "your either against us or with us",its one of the most stupid things i ever heard.
ofcourse there is neutral.are you mad?either against you or with you?whats wrong with you?
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This is not american president speaking and we are not speaking like him. What does not sound reasonable?.
Their is nothing wrong with me. It is something wrong with u. Their is no neutral whoever told that was a joker. Their is only two sides. Their is no neutral. U know what is wrong with human beings. There are not ready to submit their themself to Lord. They wanted to have their own freedom and own free will. If u know adam and eve story u will understand.
I have got only this thing to say.
A. Submit yourself to Lord.
B. Read the Word.
C. Keep the Word.
D. There is only two sides. Understand that.
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If u thought their is neutral sides. U are totally WRONG.
[QUOTE]I didn't read all the other stuff about who pocket is or isn't so l come in blind and see mutual condemnation going on. Sanna do you believe in God? [/QUOTE]
you need to define what you mean with "God".else i cant answer. and thankyou for seeing that i am getting attacked by everyone here just because i am ASKING SOME QUESTIONS.i dont know why they are so hateful,and then they deny it if i tell them,they are full of hatred,i dont know why.
[QUOTE]And sanna. If u like to seek truth better pray. If u are not in Lord side then u are in Devil side. There is no neutral. Pick your sides.[/QUOTE]
what??? that does not sound reasnoable.why would i be on the "devils side" if im not "your side"???thats like the american president saying "your either against us or with us",its one of the most stupid things i ever heard.
ofcourse there is neutral.are you mad?either against you or with you?whats wrong with you?
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This is not american president speaking and we are not speaking like him. What does not sound reasonable?.
Their is nothing wrong with me. It is something wrong with u. Their is no neutral whoever told that was a joker. Their is only two sides. Their is no neutral. U know what is wrong with human beings. There are not ready to submit their themself to Lord. They wanted to have their own freedom and own free will. If u know adam and eve story u will understand.
I have got only this thing to say.
A. Submit yourself to Lord.
B. Read the Word.
C. Keep the Word.
D. There is only two sides. Understand that.
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If u thought their is neutral sides. U are totally WRONG.
What? someone wants to have sex, underaged, out of marriage, without responsibility, and consequences...and doesn't like the stumbling block?
The block you stumble over is Jesus.
Wake up, little child...
Signet
The block you stumble over is Jesus.
Wake up, little child...
Signet
[quote=Signet,May 24 2006, 03:16 AM]
What? someone wants to have sex, underaged, out of marriage, without responsibility, and consequences...and doesn't like the stumbling block?
The block you stumble over is Jesus.
Wake up, little child...
Signet
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Exactly.
Satan is very very clever person. If he/she does not repent. He/she is gone.
Sex is a gift that should not be misused.
Learn that.
And sanna no one is attacking u. U are attacking yourself.
What? someone wants to have sex, underaged, out of marriage, without responsibility, and consequences...and doesn't like the stumbling block?
The block you stumble over is Jesus.
Wake up, little child...
Signet
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Exactly.
Satan is very very clever person. If he/she does not repent. He/she is gone.
Sex is a gift that should not be misused.
Learn that.
And sanna no one is attacking u. U are attacking yourself.
So you come here, attack us how our beliefs are wrong, we defend our beliefs and WE'RE the ones attacking YOU?
[quote=Signet,May 23 2006, 04:46 PM]
What? someone wants to have sex, underaged, out of marriage, without responsibility, and consequences...and doesn't like the stumbling block?
The block you stumble over is Jesus.
Wake up, little child...
Signet
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little child?likei said, in america i would be a "child",but in europe we are grown up after 18.like i said,i guesswe get mature faster.
[QUOTE]have got only this thing to say.
A. Submit yourself to Lord.
B. Read the Word.
C. Keep the Word.
D. There is only two sides. Understand that.[/QUOTE]
and i asked,WHICH LORD?
which god are you talking about? theres plenty to take from.
What? someone wants to have sex, underaged, out of marriage, without responsibility, and consequences...and doesn't like the stumbling block?
The block you stumble over is Jesus.
Wake up, little child...
Signet
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little child?likei said, in america i would be a "child",but in europe we are grown up after 18.like i said,i guesswe get mature faster.
[QUOTE]have got only this thing to say.
A. Submit yourself to Lord.
B. Read the Word.
C. Keep the Word.
D. There is only two sides. Understand that.[/QUOTE]
and i asked,WHICH LORD?
which god are you talking about? theres plenty to take from.
God the father...The intentional creator of all things.
And by the way Sanna..Hope your doing Ok...I see what you see. So does God.
He want's us to unwind the tangled mess we make with words and care for one another.
He want's us to unwind the tangled mess we make with words and care for one another.
Sanna, you made the accusation that "everyone" is attacking you. I will ask you again...please point out where prior to your stating that, that I, or anyone, attacked you. You made the statement...please back it up, or apologize.
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