What are your thoughts on some of the major questions on prophecy facing the Christian today?
Orates
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Orates,
Good idea for a post. Excellent questions.
Your are most welcome brother. May the Lord bless you in your study of His prophetic revelation.
Good idea for a post. Excellent questions.
QUOTE(Orates @ May 19 2006, 10:32 AM)
The Last Days Survey
There have been many different and sometimes confusing interpretations of prophesy on this site: I am including this survey to see where prophesy commentators stand on various points. Please take a minute and give your feedback on this important- but controversial subject.
-Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime?
No question about His return. Yes it is possible in our time, but no one knows the time.
-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?
No. The 70th week (7years) decreed for national Israel is still future and will include many events that have never taken place.
-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?
The 144,000 are sealed (protected from tribulation) Israelites who will serve the Lord during the 70th week as mortals. The Lord will also send two prophets to national Israel during the time of "Jacob's trouble". They will stand for the Lord and will serve His purposes in the face of the beast and his kingdom. They will be protected mortals until the Lord allows them to be killed by the beast. Then He will resurrect them in a demonstration of great power and authority. Satan will also send his false prophet to offset these two. They are symbolized as the 2 horns of the second beast and will be the two leaders of the cult of Abaddon.
-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?
It is possible and depends upon how close we are to the 70th week. I would refrain from loose speculation and would have to say that no one really knows at this time. The human component (little horn) of the "antichrist" will appear in the Middle East (the northern Greek sector of Alexander's ancient divided Empire ... Syrio-Babylonia). Daniel sees him directly after Alexander's kingdom divides. Alexander was a "great horn", this entity will start out as a "little" horn.
-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?
No. "Head" is symbolic for dominion (territorial rule). Five of his heads are historical and he will come out of the abyss to rule his 6th and 7th. I think that Abaddon is actually Satan's christ, the "antichrist". His 6th is the head (dominion) healed. This dominion will be small at first and located in the northern Middle East. He will expand it into the 7th with 10 other kings. He will do this through the little horn, king of the north, and will ultimately possess him.
-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?
I think that the false prophet is a fallen angelic just as the first beast who comes out of the abyss. These two are Satan's agents and the first is associated with 10 kings (10 horns). The second beast will operate through two human clerics (2 horns) who will lead the cult of the first. This cult might be Islamic and we need to be aware of this possibility.
-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?
I think that the time of trial that is coming will last for 7 years plus 30 days (destruction of the beast's kingdom), and another 45 days for the Lord to gather and separate those humans that survive. I don't think there will be any peace treaty. I think the covenant is one that warrants the destruction of Israel and world domination. Destruction "by peace" will be the end that justifies the means. This will be confirmed by "the prince that shall come" with his followers. He will destroy many for the cause of the false peace that his cult promises and those who will not submit to worshiping him will be his prey. Notice that the false prophet's cult "looks" like the right way to peace, but he actually "speaks" of killing those who will not submit to the worship of Satan who is the god of Abaddon and the false prophet.
-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?
The dead in Christ will be raised and living believers will be caught up together with them. I think the Bible supports an earlier rather than a later translation of believers. I think that the Lord will call living believers "out" (keep them from the hour of trial) before He starts His judgment process which will be against an unbelieving world.
-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?
Not sure what this will be, but those who worship the beast will gladly take the mark as an identifier. Some will not and will most likely be hunted down and killed (beheaded). Another possibility is that those who will not submit may be the one's forced to be marked as outcasts and if they refuse the mark they will be cut off economically and targeted for death.
-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
No. I don't see any Biblical direction from the Lord to do this before He begins His rule for 1,000 years. It is possible, but I don't see it in the Scriptures. The temple of "god" that the beast goes to will most likely be a temple of his god who is Satan. For example, there is already one on the mount today.
-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?
Absolutely. The Scriptures support this 100%. Micah chapter 4, Jeremiah chapter 30, and Zechariah chapter 14 are good proof-texts among many examples.
-What do you think about the 2nd Resurrection?
The first resurrection is the resurrection to eternal life. The second is to eternal death and destruction. These are the two distinct types of resurrections, not necessarily ordered. It is the second resurrection that will present the dead whos names will not be found in the Book of Life.
-What do you believe about the Beast out of the Sea and the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation Chapter 13?
The first is Abaddon the angelic king of the abyss manifested in the little horn, human king of the north, and he will control the 10 other kings. He will rise out of the sea of the Gentile nations surrounding the Land of Israel. The second is another angelic called the false prophet who will lead the cult of Abaddon through 2 human clerics. He will function in the Land of Israel and will offset the two prophets (two witnesses) sent to Jerusalem by the Lord.
-What do you think Mystery Babylon is?
The Lord's view of organized unbelieving humanity apart from His providence and direction.
-Do you think Christians can fall away from the faith?
Yes. We must not be just Christian in name, but must adhere to the truth, live the life, and are to be ready for the Lord's return.
-Do you think that the Lake of Fire is eternal torment or annihilation?
I think it is everlasting "final" punishment which will be elimination without recourse.
-What do you think about the Wrath of God?
Big question. I believe His wrath is always justified.
(include any other question on prophecy that you would like to ask or answer here)
Thank you- Orates 2006
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There have been many different and sometimes confusing interpretations of prophesy on this site: I am including this survey to see where prophesy commentators stand on various points. Please take a minute and give your feedback on this important- but controversial subject.
-Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime?
No question about His return. Yes it is possible in our time, but no one knows the time.
-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?
No. The 70th week (7years) decreed for national Israel is still future and will include many events that have never taken place.
-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?
The 144,000 are sealed (protected from tribulation) Israelites who will serve the Lord during the 70th week as mortals. The Lord will also send two prophets to national Israel during the time of "Jacob's trouble". They will stand for the Lord and will serve His purposes in the face of the beast and his kingdom. They will be protected mortals until the Lord allows them to be killed by the beast. Then He will resurrect them in a demonstration of great power and authority. Satan will also send his false prophet to offset these two. They are symbolized as the 2 horns of the second beast and will be the two leaders of the cult of Abaddon.
-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?
It is possible and depends upon how close we are to the 70th week. I would refrain from loose speculation and would have to say that no one really knows at this time. The human component (little horn) of the "antichrist" will appear in the Middle East (the northern Greek sector of Alexander's ancient divided Empire ... Syrio-Babylonia). Daniel sees him directly after Alexander's kingdom divides. Alexander was a "great horn", this entity will start out as a "little" horn.
-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?
No. "Head" is symbolic for dominion (territorial rule). Five of his heads are historical and he will come out of the abyss to rule his 6th and 7th. I think that Abaddon is actually Satan's christ, the "antichrist". His 6th is the head (dominion) healed. This dominion will be small at first and located in the northern Middle East. He will expand it into the 7th with 10 other kings. He will do this through the little horn, king of the north, and will ultimately possess him.
-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?
I think that the false prophet is a fallen angelic just as the first beast who comes out of the abyss. These two are Satan's agents and the first is associated with 10 kings (10 horns). The second beast will operate through two human clerics (2 horns) who will lead the cult of the first. This cult might be Islamic and we need to be aware of this possibility.
-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?
I think that the time of trial that is coming will last for 7 years plus 30 days (destruction of the beast's kingdom), and another 45 days for the Lord to gather and separate those humans that survive. I don't think there will be any peace treaty. I think the covenant is one that warrants the destruction of Israel and world domination. Destruction "by peace" will be the end that justifies the means. This will be confirmed by "the prince that shall come" with his followers. He will destroy many for the cause of the false peace that his cult promises and those who will not submit to worshiping him will be his prey. Notice that the false prophet's cult "looks" like the right way to peace, but he actually "speaks" of killing those who will not submit to the worship of Satan who is the god of Abaddon and the false prophet.
-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?
The dead in Christ will be raised and living believers will be caught up together with them. I think the Bible supports an earlier rather than a later translation of believers. I think that the Lord will call living believers "out" (keep them from the hour of trial) before He starts His judgment process which will be against an unbelieving world.
-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?
Not sure what this will be, but those who worship the beast will gladly take the mark as an identifier. Some will not and will most likely be hunted down and killed (beheaded). Another possibility is that those who will not submit may be the one's forced to be marked as outcasts and if they refuse the mark they will be cut off economically and targeted for death.
-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
No. I don't see any Biblical direction from the Lord to do this before He begins His rule for 1,000 years. It is possible, but I don't see it in the Scriptures. The temple of "god" that the beast goes to will most likely be a temple of his god who is Satan. For example, there is already one on the mount today.
-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?
Absolutely. The Scriptures support this 100%. Micah chapter 4, Jeremiah chapter 30, and Zechariah chapter 14 are good proof-texts among many examples.
-What do you think about the 2nd Resurrection?
The first resurrection is the resurrection to eternal life. The second is to eternal death and destruction. These are the two distinct types of resurrections, not necessarily ordered. It is the second resurrection that will present the dead whos names will not be found in the Book of Life.
-What do you believe about the Beast out of the Sea and the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation Chapter 13?
The first is Abaddon the angelic king of the abyss manifested in the little horn, human king of the north, and he will control the 10 other kings. He will rise out of the sea of the Gentile nations surrounding the Land of Israel. The second is another angelic called the false prophet who will lead the cult of Abaddon through 2 human clerics. He will function in the Land of Israel and will offset the two prophets (two witnesses) sent to Jerusalem by the Lord.
-What do you think Mystery Babylon is?
The Lord's view of organized unbelieving humanity apart from His providence and direction.
-Do you think Christians can fall away from the faith?
Yes. We must not be just Christian in name, but must adhere to the truth, live the life, and are to be ready for the Lord's return.
-Do you think that the Lake of Fire is eternal torment or annihilation?
I think it is everlasting "final" punishment which will be elimination without recourse.
-What do you think about the Wrath of God?
Big question. I believe His wrath is always justified.
(include any other question on prophecy that you would like to ask or answer here)
Thank you- Orates 2006
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Your are most welcome brother. May the Lord bless you in your study of His prophetic revelation.
[QUOTE] -Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime? [/QUOTE]
This is actually two questions, but I'll answer 'no' to both.
[QUOTE]-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?[/QUOTE]
This is also two questions, but 'no' to both again.
[QUOTE]-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?[/QUOTE]
This is yet again two questions, but it is a bit much to ask someoen to name 144 002 people.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?[/QUOTE]
There are three questions here! I take it you have never organised a survey before?
I'll answer 'no' to the first question, which will make the other two redundant.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?[/QUOTE]
Another two questions
'no' and 'no'!
[QUOTE]-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?[/QUOTE]
Another two questions! No and No.
[QUOTE]-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?[/QUOTE]
Another two questions. No and No.
[QUOTE]-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?[/QUOTE]
Since Jesus has failed to return within His stated time it has to be a no again.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]-What do you think about the 2nd Resurrection?[/QUOTE]
Its a joke.
[QUOTE]-What do you believe about the Beast out of the Sea and the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation Chapter 13?[/QUOTE]
The ramblings of a demented man.
[QUOTE]-What do you think Mystery Babylon is?[/QUOTE]
A space ship.
[QUOTE]-Do you think Christians can fall away from the faith?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE]-Do you think that the Lake of Fire is eternal torment or annihilation?[/QUOTE]
Why have you limited the answer to only two options. Some people may have a different opinion about 'The Lake of Fire'. I don't think it means any of the two options you have given.
[QUOTE]-What do you think about the Wrath of God?[/QUOTE]
Fiction.
I really think you need to study what a survey is before you proceed with what you are doing. A survey isn't really as strightforward as people think, as is evident from this one. A survey shouldn't contain two questions within the one sentence because the answer to the first question may make the second one redundant.
I have a couple of questions that you could add to your survey:
- Do you believe in prophecy after the fact?
- Did you know that no Old Testament prophecies regarding Jesus have has ever been proven?
- Do you think that the circumstances of some 'prophecies' have been manipulated by humans to try and make sure a 'prophecy' comes true?
- Do you know what the word 'prophecy' means?
- Are you comfortable in the knowledge that many prophecies have not come to pass?
You do have to try and be unbiased in any research you do, so try not to be too pro anything.
This is actually two questions, but I'll answer 'no' to both.
[QUOTE]-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?[/QUOTE]
This is also two questions, but 'no' to both again.
[QUOTE]-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?[/QUOTE]
This is yet again two questions, but it is a bit much to ask someoen to name 144 002 people.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?[/QUOTE]
There are three questions here! I take it you have never organised a survey before?
I'll answer 'no' to the first question, which will make the other two redundant.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?[/QUOTE]
Another two questions
'no' and 'no'![QUOTE]-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?[/QUOTE]
Another two questions! No and No.
[QUOTE]-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?[/QUOTE]
Another two questions. No and No.
[QUOTE]-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?[/QUOTE]
Since Jesus has failed to return within His stated time it has to be a no again.
[QUOTE]-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?[/QUOTE]
No.
[QUOTE]-What do you think about the 2nd Resurrection?[/QUOTE]
Its a joke.
[QUOTE]-What do you believe about the Beast out of the Sea and the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation Chapter 13?[/QUOTE]
The ramblings of a demented man.
[QUOTE]-What do you think Mystery Babylon is?[/QUOTE]
A space ship.
[QUOTE]-Do you think Christians can fall away from the faith?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE]-Do you think that the Lake of Fire is eternal torment or annihilation?[/QUOTE]
Why have you limited the answer to only two options. Some people may have a different opinion about 'The Lake of Fire'. I don't think it means any of the two options you have given.
[QUOTE]-What do you think about the Wrath of God?[/QUOTE]
Fiction.
I really think you need to study what a survey is before you proceed with what you are doing. A survey isn't really as strightforward as people think, as is evident from this one. A survey shouldn't contain two questions within the one sentence because the answer to the first question may make the second one redundant.
I have a couple of questions that you could add to your survey:
- Do you believe in prophecy after the fact?
- Did you know that no Old Testament prophecies regarding Jesus have has ever been proven?
- Do you think that the circumstances of some 'prophecies' have been manipulated by humans to try and make sure a 'prophecy' comes true?
- Do you know what the word 'prophecy' means?
- Are you comfortable in the knowledge that many prophecies have not come to pass?
You do have to try and be unbiased in any research you do, so try not to be too pro anything.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. How about we call it a questionnaire?
The Last Days Questionnaire
What do you believe?
-Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime?
-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?
-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?
-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?
-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?
-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?
-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?
-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?
-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?
-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?
-What do you think about the 2nd Resurrection?
-What do you believe about the Beast out of the Sea and the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation Chapter 13?
-What do you think Mystery Babylon is?
-Do you think Christians can fall away from the faith?
-Do you think that the Lake of Fire is eternal torment or annihilation?
-What do you think about the Wrath of God?
(include any other question on prophecy that you would like to ask or answer here)
Thanks- Orates
The Last Days Questionnaire
What do you believe?
-Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime?
-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?
-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?
-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?
-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?
-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?
-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?
-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?
-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?
-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?
-What do you think about the 2nd Resurrection?
-What do you believe about the Beast out of the Sea and the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation Chapter 13?
-What do you think Mystery Babylon is?
-Do you think Christians can fall away from the faith?
-Do you think that the Lake of Fire is eternal torment or annihilation?
-What do you think about the Wrath of God?
(include any other question on prophecy that you would like to ask or answer here)
Thanks- Orates
Orates, I am only going to answer a few, to do you justice I will not ramble on those that i have not a clear picture of in my mind. I am still learning and so I will take a stab at some. (at least Brian got the falling away from the faith correct 
)
)QUOTE(Orates @ May 19 2006, 05:32 PM)
The Last Days Survey
There have been many different and sometimes confusing interpretations of prophecy on this site: I am including this survey to see where prophecy commentators stand on various points. Please take a minute and give your feedback on this important- but controversial subject.
-Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime?
I believe so yes, as we are in the beginning of the seventh millenium, we are at the beginning of the "Sabbath" the 1000 years of peace. We are also in the "third day", two thousand years from Jesus, now starting the next thousand (third day) So its Resurrection day. God will manifest Christ in the body (corporate) Rev 12, the manchild(Bride) is born out of the woman(Church) clothed with the sun (Christ) standing on the moon (reflecting His glory) and the twelve stars around her head (the teachings of the twelve apostles) The manchild is the first true manifestation of "Christ in the Body", the manchild teaches the Church in the wilderness for 3 and a half years to walk in the Word and make war on the Beast.
Jesus comes back after the trib for sure
-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?
No and yes. You will see a lot of small events pointing towards the Big One...the trib. Caesar, Hitler, pointing a types towards how the spirit of Antichrist will operate. Many more historic events teaches us how it will be.
-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?
I will not answer the 144000 yet its too long. But the witnesses I believe to be corporate as well. The Church and Reborn Israel. One candlestick, two candles. God says in Lev. that no man will be judged unless there are two or more witnesses. God is true to His Word always. You can see by their death their body (its body in the original...corporate) lies in the street. The next word bodies.....so their body of bodies. Corporate witnesses ...everywhere in the world (not like people say the TV will show it, they will be everywhere in the world)
-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?
Again I believe its not a man. Antichrist (the spirit) is already in the world. It is all those who do not believe that Christ is come in the flesh. Is come, because Christ is IN you and me. A corporate Christ. Now in the earth. It is no longer I that live but Christ that liveth in me.
The same with Antichrist. Look around you at the world. Full od people who do not say "Christ in me" they deny that. But yes there will be a body that will be ruled from out of the pit. The beast spirit has done it before (Caesar, Hitler...like I said)It knows how to persecute Christians. There is a thread I opened under Signs of the Times about the World Parliament and its constitution Have a look. UN will rule (all the seed of the nations is there and the World Parliament has already the ten Kings of Rev)
-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?
I have not done much research on the head-wound yet
-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?
No, I believe it will be the apostate Church. She is the whore that sits on the seven hills. All religions will join the system and will be the prophetic mouth of the beast.
-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?
yes seven years
The treaty will include the church. We must not stare only at Israel, because Israel is a TYPE. A shadow. We are the true Israel and if you think about that, and realise what I am saying, a shock will go through you as realise the implication.
-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?
Yes,I believe at the end of the trib, before the wrath of God, because we are not destined for wrath. But God will take the Church through the wilderness, as she is not clean and has lost her faith. She is sleeping and is not trusting in God. God will purify her in the wilderness.
-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?
Even though the mark could land up on your hand and head, God marked us with the Mind of Christ. The Israelites has to eat the passover lamb. The head (the mind of Christ) the legs (walk like Christ) and all the inside (be like Him from the inside) You are marked
The beast is the system of the world. People will join in their consciences. Their minds will be given to that system. God is always concerned with the heart of a person. Jesus told us to chop off the hand, but he did not say what to do with the forehead??? So it is an example.
I am sure that the chip is coming....but please do not think that if you do not take the chip and your heart and mind is not with God, that , that will save you.
We have to SPEAK the WORD, agree with God, have the mind of Christ in all things.
-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
No, the temple is us. God removed Himself from the temple.To say that it would be an abomination to remove the sacrifice....its wrong in the real temple because God already removed it. It would be an abomination to sacrifice anything to God today. It is an abomination when the spirit of Antichrist move into the church, Your heart is the holy place now. God lives in us...not in temples made of stone.
-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?
yes
OK enough
for now. My head is spinning.
Well that is how I see it, I know a lot of people will disagree. We can talk about why the rapture is at the end (Old testament pictures shows this, Noah ,Joseph,Moses, and a few more.
I am sorry it is sketchy, but there is a lot more to say , but it will take time to do this properly Orates. Its a bit late here and I am off to bed soon
Thank you- Orates 2006
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There have been many different and sometimes confusing interpretations of prophecy on this site: I am including this survey to see where prophecy commentators stand on various points. Please take a minute and give your feedback on this important- but controversial subject.
-Do you believe Jesus is coming back to earth and if so, do you think He will return in our lifetime?
I believe so yes, as we are in the beginning of the seventh millenium, we are at the beginning of the "Sabbath" the 1000 years of peace. We are also in the "third day", two thousand years from Jesus, now starting the next thousand (third day) So its Resurrection day. God will manifest Christ in the body (corporate) Rev 12, the manchild(Bride) is born out of the woman(Church) clothed with the sun (Christ) standing on the moon (reflecting His glory) and the twelve stars around her head (the teachings of the twelve apostles) The manchild is the first true manifestation of "Christ in the Body", the manchild teaches the Church in the wilderness for 3 and a half years to walk in the Word and make war on the Beast.
Jesus comes back after the trib for sure
-Do you think all the prophesies in the Books of Daniel and Revelation have already occured and when?
No and yes. You will see a lot of small events pointing towards the Big One...the trib. Caesar, Hitler, pointing a types towards how the spirit of Antichrist will operate. Many more historic events teaches us how it will be.
-Who do you think are the 144,000 and the Two Witnesses?
I will not answer the 144000 yet its too long. But the witnesses I believe to be corporate as well. The Church and Reborn Israel. One candlestick, two candles. God says in Lev. that no man will be judged unless there are two or more witnesses. God is true to His Word always. You can see by their death their body (its body in the original...corporate) lies in the street. The next word bodies.....so their body of bodies. Corporate witnesses ...everywhere in the world (not like people say the TV will show it, they will be everywhere in the world)
-Do you believe the Antichrist walks the earth today? and if so, who do you think is the best candidate and where do you think he will come from?
Again I believe its not a man. Antichrist (the spirit) is already in the world. It is all those who do not believe that Christ is come in the flesh. Is come, because Christ is IN you and me. A corporate Christ. Now in the earth. It is no longer I that live but Christ that liveth in me.
The same with Antichrist. Look around you at the world. Full od people who do not say "Christ in me" they deny that. But yes there will be a body that will be ruled from out of the pit. The beast spirit has done it before (Caesar, Hitler...like I said)It knows how to persecute Christians. There is a thread I opened under Signs of the Times about the World Parliament and its constitution Have a look. UN will rule (all the seed of the nations is there and the World Parliament has already the ten Kings of Rev)
-Do you believe that the Antichrist will suffer a head wound and revive?
I have not done much research on the head-wound yet
-Do you believe there is a separate religious leader called the False Prophet?
No, I believe it will be the apostate Church. She is the whore that sits on the seven hills. All religions will join the system and will be the prophetic mouth of the beast.
-Do you think that there will be a full 7 years of Tribulation preceeded by a final peace treaty in the Mideast?
yes seven years
The treaty will include the church. We must not stare only at Israel, because Israel is a TYPE. A shadow. We are the true Israel and if you think about that, and realise what I am saying, a shock will go through you as realise the implication.
-Do you believe there will be a Rapture of Christians and when do you think it will occur?
Yes,I believe at the end of the trib, before the wrath of God, because we are not destined for wrath. But God will take the Church through the wilderness, as she is not clean and has lost her faith. She is sleeping and is not trusting in God. God will purify her in the wilderness.
-What do you think about the Mark of the Beast and do you see signs of it today?
Even though the mark could land up on your hand and head, God marked us with the Mind of Christ. The Israelites has to eat the passover lamb. The head (the mind of Christ) the legs (walk like Christ) and all the inside (be like Him from the inside) You are marked
The beast is the system of the world. People will join in their consciences. Their minds will be given to that system. God is always concerned with the heart of a person. Jesus told us to chop off the hand, but he did not say what to do with the forehead??? So it is an example.
I am sure that the chip is coming....but please do not think that if you do not take the chip and your heart and mind is not with God, that , that will save you.
We have to SPEAK the WORD, agree with God, have the mind of Christ in all things.
-Do you think that a Jewish Temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus returns?
No, the temple is us. God removed Himself from the temple.To say that it would be an abomination to remove the sacrifice....its wrong in the real temple because God already removed it. It would be an abomination to sacrifice anything to God today. It is an abomination when the spirit of Antichrist move into the church, Your heart is the holy place now. God lives in us...not in temples made of stone.
-Do you believe that there will be a 1000 reign of Christ on earth with His Saints?
yes
OK enough
for now. My head is spinning.Well that is how I see it, I know a lot of people will disagree. We can talk about why the rapture is at the end (Old testament pictures shows this, Noah ,Joseph,Moses, and a few more.
I am sorry it is sketchy, but there is a lot more to say , but it will take time to do this properly Orates. Its a bit late here and I am off to bed soon
Thank you- Orates 2006
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Brian, I could be off base here, but I don't think you nitpicked it enough....do you? 
*ROFLMBOOO!! Edited, cos I inadverdantly typed "brain" instead of "Brian". What was I thinking?
*ROFLMBOOO!! Edited, cos I inadverdantly typed "brain" instead of "Brian". What was I thinking?
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It could certainly be nitpicked a lot more, looks as if a 10 year old constructed it
QUOTE(PraisingYeshua @ May 23 2006, 05:05 PM)
Brian, I could be off base here, but I don't think you nitpicked it enough....do you?
*ROFLMBOOO!! Edited, cos I inadverdantly typed "brain" instead of "Brian". What was I thinking?
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It could certainly be nitpicked a lot more, looks as if a 10 year old constructed it
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