Excellent topic! Keep on feeding that meat!

Giving me something to really think about and do some homework on. I love doing word searches from the bible, you truely see the connections sometimes.

I've noticed in many of my dreams that are about Jesus, most of the time He or What is of Him, is on the right side.

The other thing I thought of when reading about the sheep and the goats being separated was the scriptures about the wheat and the tars in Matthew 13:24-30 and 13:36-43. The meaning is the same, there will be a time when all will stand before our God and be judged. Those who truely belong to Christ, his sheep/wheat, will be saved and live eternaly with our God, just as Christ is in us and we are in Him, just as He sits by His Fathers right side of the throne, so will we, because Christ is in us. Those who are not, the goats/tars, will be burned up by fire. Truely knowing this, it should put more of a love for others, who don't know Christ, in our hearts to share and witness about Jesus and His salvation. He saves us from that fire!

I have to say, the Lord has shown this to me in dreams, they were both terrifying and humbling and gave me a deeper heartful understanding of what will one day happen. I have seen people be completely burn up instantly. I heard their cries and screams! I heard God's judgement upon those chose not to chose and love Him. I also saw those who claimed to belong to Christ, but realy didn't live for him, I heard and saw God's judgement! Let me tell you, even those that had the confidence of God's love and know they belonged to Christ, they were brought to their knees, in fear and reverence for the power of God. These dreams will be something I will never forget. For God so placed His Word in my mind and heart that I can't forget!

Again, thanks for starting this!

Blessings!
Sandra

You're right Sandra this is a great thread and I vote that one of the mods pins it!

Good job Tig!

Marta, what a face! So Funny!

Thanks Sandra and Marta! Yes, Marta that is the funniest picture I have seen in a long time!

Been kinda busy lately. I will get a little off topic here...Sandra, since you like doing word searches in scripture here is a word to search, "butter".

You may be surprised but it is in the Bible. What did Job do with the butter?

Sandra, Yes the LORD has given me dreams that I stand in awe of HIM. You are also right about the connection of the wheat/tares and the sheep/goats!

Redemption and warnings...GOD doesn't leave anything out. HIS WORD is complete and will not come back void. The choice is ours to make. Will we be counted as HIS sheep? or as the goats? Are we the wheat? or the tares?

HE knows our hearts.

Just a gentle bump....I feel this topic needed a refresher.

Dear onetiggerroo,

I can't say that I know for sure why He put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left, but here is my best guess. The right side is a place of honor. It comes from ancient times. The reason why the right side is the place of honor has to do with most people being right-handed therefore the right side is stronger when wielding a sword. It makes sense to place the person(s) who are strongest on the right side where they can do the most good. Therefore, it is an honor to be placed on the right. In the military, a subordinate is supposed to walk to the left of a superior. In a formation, squad leaders are on the right side of a rank of men. etc etc

Regarding the separating of the "goats" and "sheep", more to the point is how He decides who the goats and sheep are. If we read Matt 24 and 25 in context, we see that the comments about the fig tree, the days of Noe, the goodman of the house, the parable of the ten virgins, the parable of the "talents", AND the separation of the goats and the sheep are ALL about the time preceding the return of the Lord.

The verses immediately after Matt 25:33 show us that the parable of the "talents" (one "talent" of silver was about 114lbs and worth about $33,798 today) is NOT about "talents" in the sense of having skill with a piano or being able to speak German, but rather it is about what we do with the MONEY that God has given us. More than that, one can logically deduce that we are to use that money to be able to give food and water to our fellow Christians. This will be especially important in the time just before the return of the Lord. Most people don't know it, but the time of plenty which was produced by cheap energy (cheap oil in particular) is drawing to a close. The effects of "peak oil" will affect EVERYTHING, not just the price of gasoline.

People not only need to learn how to do without gasoline, electricity, etc.; they need to start preparing to help give food and water to their fellow Christians.

Yours in Christ,
John Reno

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Christian_survival_last_days/

When Jesus would speak about the church or his followers he refered to them as being as sheep andthose who do not believe as goats....
John 10
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

This judgment concerns the nations; some of whom have not heard the gospel....it is the judgment concerning the 2nd resurrection. The saints have already been resurrected 1,000 years earlier, and these will rule over these righteous "sheep" into eternity. Many abberant doctrines have been formulated by applying the Mat. 25 judgment to disciples of Christ. A true Christian is not ignorant of his walk in the Lord. A Christian walks in fellowship with Him. No, the sheep and goats judgment is for the public at large. Jesus died for many and not just the chosen few. It is important to remember that.

John

This is a lie, in comparison to profession, Jesus flock is small..

matt 7:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it

You are judging hastily and according to your previous programming. Look rather at the scriptures. They won't lie to you!

"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." Rom. 5:19

Only a few are saints: few find the narrow way, but there are many made righteous through His sacrifice.
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You believe or you don't believe. There is no in between. Most people don't make it and are judged and burn forever in the Lake of Fire. That is how it is set up. We are saved by faith not by works of the law.

The Lake of Fire is eternal, no matter what some people like to portend. They want a cozy little Jesus who won't do what He said, because they say it's not fair that people should burn forever and ever.

Well, sorry, God has set the rules. He says it's fair. He says He gives every man a measure of faith. Surely it's a terrible thing to burn forever; but that's why God keeps admonishing us that their are few laborers in the field. It's a big deal to have gifts from God and not use them.

As far as the foundation, wood, stuble etc...

Sure these people are saved because they believe. They have faith. They are believers. They nonetheless don't produce much in their lives because they get drawn in by carnal works thus produce stubble that will be burned at the judgement.

The key word was FOUNDATION. They had a foundation which is Christ and Christ alone; but they want to add to it thus it is burned up and their rewards are few.

Real righteousness is not leaning on your own understanding. It's leaning on God and God alone and letting Him produce the works. These works are generally produced through weakness not strength. They are works of standing and leaning and walking.

We know that not even everyone in the Church makes from the judgement. Many will be spewed out. They are dead people in pews. They don't really believe or they believe that which is false because it feeds their flesh. Bad doctrine feeds flesh. It makes you feel good. It justifies what is evil even if to you it doesn't appear evil.

We see a weird prosperity gospel spreading like wildfire. This is an evil gospel. It teaches doctrine contrary to that which Christ Jesus and the 12 taught.

Sure, we can see where God is not against a man having some money to take care of his life. That is not the point. The prosperity gospel teaches that God is here to reward you on earth. That you can be rich. What is the danger in this?

It's brings on a strong undercurrent that you are somehow pleasing to God by making lots of money. Those are not the fruits of the spirit: longsuffering, kindness.......

It makes someone greedy instead of looking out for their fellow believer. It makes them gather up multitudes of grain into their barn and not share the harvest. Now don't get me wrong. Their are believers that have been financially blessed that do not believe in the prosperity gospel and they continue to be blessed and continue to bless those around them.

That is what it's about for wealthy people in the Church. Give according to the measure that it was given. Jesus didn't send away the rich man who kept the commandments because money was evil. He sent him away because the priorities were wrong. He knew that when push came to shove, this rich man would not make the right decision and rather than forcing the issue later, He forced the issue right up front.

No use getting the guys hopes up when He knew that when the the rubber met the road, the guy would depart from the faith and not do what is required...which is to live by faith.......

What does faith entail for some. To know that regardless of how far down the chips are/were, that the Lord your God will provide. Job surely learned that lesson. The good Lord giveth and the good Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

Anyway, I digress. There are some weird teachings in here that seem to be prompted by people thinking they are better judges as to the eternal destiny of men based on mis interpretation of the Scriptures.

Scriptures are clear. It is wailing and gnashing of teeth forever. It is eternal torment. There is nothing good about missing the high calling in Christ Jesus.

The one's who are barely saved still have faith. They are not unbelievers. They are somewhat carnal believers that did not push forward to the high calling in Christ Jesus. They all had a witness. They all know the Truth. They believe in Christ Jesus but produce little fruit.

The one's who push forward to the high calling in Christ Jesus add many atop the foundation. They are the ultra grace saints who suffer immensely. They suffer incredible hardship. They don't trust or lean on themselves or their works. They teach and preach the Truth in season and out of season. They bring down evil fortresses and stand firm. This is the difference. They are so filled up with good doctrine that satan comes and buffets them, knowing that they are ruining his plans.

They are like Paul. Teach, preach exhort. Suffer. Teach preach exhort. Suffer. When Jesus says go, they go, when He says wait, they wait, when He says walk, they walk, when He says run, they run.

They don't add anything to the Word, because their is nothing to add. They get down to the core issues and are often perceived or accused of being "mean" spirited because their doctrine is so good, satan send in his corruptors to counter their effectiveness. If you really knew them you'd know they were kind and gentle people; but they stick to God's Word which is like a double edged sword, piercing even to the bone and marrow so much so that it hurts.

This is the distinction of the classes. Believers and Non Believers. There is no intermediate quasi believer class.
Not even all that go to Church are saved due to lack of faith. It's not an easy thing to be a believer. It's hard to believe everything that comes forth from the mouth of God.

When Hosea was told to marry Gomer, he married her. It was not his first desire. He was a Holy man. It appears to contradict the general teachings of Jehovah/Jesus. But he knew God and he knew his voice. It's hard to believe Balaam's --- talked. It's hard to believe the garden account. These are not metaphors. These are real events.

When it says the wicked are destroyed both root and branch, it is speaking of men as trees. They are evil trees on earth and will be taken off the earth forever. This does not mean they won't suffer forever in the Lake of Fire. They will suffer forever in the Lake of Fire where the worm burns forever.

To teach something different is to forget that God wants you to push forward to the high calling in Christ Jesus. It's th false prophets role to make these simple truths pleasing to the ear. Many people would rather end up as nothing, as if they were asleep in the depths of dreams if they had the option of following Christ or not following Him without any eternal punishment.

However, they won't sleep/die and find nothingness. If they don't find Jesus they are going to be in utter agony for an eternity. They will be in outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth. If Christians don't want to see this happen to people, they need to labor in the field. They need to submit to the will and teachings of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ. They need to sow seeds of the true gospel so people can escape the wrath that is to come.

No flowery speech. No flatteries. No new gospels. The Word of God warns that we need to be salty and that a man that has lost his saltiness is of no use. Salt is something that hits an open wound and stings. The gospel stings. It is God trying to heal the nations. Wounds don't heal without some pain and anguish. It is the salt that heals wounds and makes sinners into saints.

Don't confuse Righteousness with Holy. Most real belivers are Righteous. The Holy get the jobs like Paul, Moses and Job. They suffer for years on end so that when the time come, they will bring many to righteousness. They don't waver; they lay down their lives for the high calling in Christ Jesus.

P.

We wish to take the best of 2 distinct conditions. We want the exclusivity without the cost. We want God to go easy with us....so we can be hard on others. We want to displace the righteous from their position...which is easier...and take it for ourselves. We take without counting or paying the cost. We are mirroring the world...we are causing inflation...of our egos! Actually, most believers ONLY KNOW ABOUT RIGHTEOUSNESS. They are taught to disbelieve the gospel of righteousness unto holiness and victory over sin. They think the holiness stuff is for the apostles and maybe at times the people they hire to lord it over them. We are all to strive to enter by the narrow gate. Patmos, by trying to make me sound like a false teacher, you are exposing your lack of desire for the higher calling. This you learned in the system. I don't blame you, you have believed the prevelent lie.

Rather than re-packaging righteousness as Christianity, people should be made aware of the true calling of Christ, which is holiness. By denying this, and sweeping holiness under the carpet, one actually makes an enemy of the righteous. You can't escape the truth. From there, if we are unable to enter by the narrow way, we could bring forth the fruit of humility and beat our breasts, saying have mercy on me a sinner. No fun in that though, eh?

If we run out of food, should we take the children's food for ourselves and leave them hungry? This is how God sees what is going on in Christendom today.

Jesus died for both the holy and the righteous. There is enough for all. We would be much less ridiculed by the world, if we stood in the truth and admitted our own failings.

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Post below by HB, inspired by the HS.

"I tell you, there is a thing in me that harbors disbelief, and hatred. A thing that would deny my brother his bread for my own flesh. It would have me envy my fellow man should God show favor upon him and it would move me to slay him. It would have me judge the character and nature of my neighbor first that he be a sorcerer, a whoremonger, an idolater, a liar, or that he makes a defiling thing or an abomination before I would ever judge myself as doing as such. This thing being most unpleasant to God, let anyone say it is removed from him or her that they are without sorcery, whoremonger, murder, idolatry, a lie, never did they defile and never having made an abomination. Let that person confess it here.

And I would say

This would be an amazing thing for they would be made perfect, free of defect never to suffer fault again so that they could profess their perfection now before ever meeting Christ in his presence. They can believe such a thing?

But I believe for myself I shall be made perfect by His hand and my defect will be taken away on the last day for Christ can and will do this with everyone. And from that last day forever more I will never suffer fault. Therefor I do not profess my perfection now but rather profess the perfection of Christ now, to myself and to others.

And on the last day my sorcery, my whoremonger, my murderer, my idolater, my liar, that which I defiled and make an abomination will be taken aside. The thing in me that God detests, these things not written in the book of life taken out of me and cast into the lake of fire."

Found here:
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=176420

Sin will be removed from all mankind, and, sin itself will burn.

Hi Jeff, while I believe that our impurities will be burned away, I also believe that the parts of us that holds on to the impurities will be burned away as well. God is merciful of course. But we can yet be vessels of dishonour. We, rather are aiming at being vessels of honour. This is our hope.

"And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." 1 John 3:3

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First of all you have all kinds of presuppostions that God has made my life easy. Wrong. Second you have all kinds of presuppositions that I am telling people not to seek Holiness. Wrong again. Third, you assume that I think that seriously flawed sinners are not saved by Grace. Wrong. Fourth, you assume that what I said exhalts myself when I told people to lean. Wrong. All your suppostions are wrong. You also say I don't push forward to the higher calling in Christ Jesus. Wrong.

If what I said offends you, go back to your Bible and read it again. I can support all my postitions and they are easy to support.

In fact, I am teaching the salty gospel. I am not flattering you are anyone else. I have never said that Christ and Christ alone is not enough. I have indeed said, it is enough. I have never met a righteous man that did not fail and has many failings, nonetheless, they don't pervert the gospel of our Lord and Saviour with another gospel.

Hey J. The sin that is going to be burned are literal spirits. They makeup part of who people are and are in everyone. Murderous spirits, lying spirits, hateful spirits, arrogant spirits, fear, addiction, idolatrous etc etc. That's sin. If part of me holds on to these, then, I think that would require a mind change, so, we don't literally want to be enslaved to their passions. Anyway, that's all that the previous post was saying, sinful spirits in man are separate from man. They'll be removed and burned.

Rom 7:17 As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that lives in me.

But isn't it a fact that basically no modern Christians believe that they cannot cease from sinning, for example? Where did they get a doctrine like that? Not in the bible! How do you feel about this?

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"What is the meaning of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats?"

In studying the Parable of the Sheep and Goats (Matthew 25:31-46), let’s take a look at just what a parable is. Webster’s New World Dictionary, Second College Edition, defines the parable as; a comparison; a short simple story, usually of an occurrence of a familiar kind, from which a moral or religious lesson may be drawn.” However, Jesus explained the parable in a little different way. In Luke 8:9-10 He taught; “His disciples asked Him (Jesus) what this parable meant. He said “the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables so that “seeing they may not see; though hearing they may not understand.”

This quotation from Isaiah 6:9-10 does not express a desire that some would not understand, but simply states the sad truth that those who are not willing to receive Jesus’ message will find the truth hidden from them. Jesus spoke in parables because of the spiritual dullness of the people and He compares His preaching in parables to the ministry of Isaiah, which, while it gained some disciples (see Isaiah 8:16), was also to expose the hard-hearted resistance of the many to God’s warning and appeal. God does not want anyone to perish (see 1 Timothy 2:3-4 and 2 Peter 3:9).

After a casual reading of the sixteen verses that make up the Parable of the Sheep and Goats (Matthew 25:31-46), it seems that these verses suggest that salvation is the result of good works. The group of persons compared to the sheep were the ones that acted in charity in giving to the needy food, drink, clothing, who exhibited hospitality, and who visited the sick and those in prison. The goats seem to have done nothing in regard to these things. This resulted in salvation for the sheep and damnation for the goats. The casual reading seems to make it very clear and concise that salvation comes from good works. However, this is clearly not the meaning of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats.

All Scripture proves itself right and non-contradictory when compared with the totality of Scripture. This is what is referred to in 2 Timothy 2:15 as “rightly dividing the word of truth.” Scripture does not contradict Scripture, and the Bible clearly and repeatedly teaches that salvation is by faith through the grace and mercy of God and not by good works (see John 1:12, Acts 15:11, Romans 3:22-24, Romans 4:4-8, Romans 7:24-25, Romans 8:12, Galatians 3:6-9, and Ephesians 2:8-10, to mention a few).

A closer examination of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats reveals much, much, more. In the very first verse of the parable Matthew, immediately establishes the Kingship and authority of Christ in using the title that Christ so often used in identifying Himself as the “Son of Man” (see John 5:27 and Daniel 7:13-14). The Sheep are placed at His right hand. This is a place of honor and shows that the Sheep are esteemed by Christ. Compare this with Matthew 22:64, Luke 22:69, Acts 7:55 and Hebrews 1:13 where Christ is at the right hand of the Father. The Goats are placed on the left. Testimony is given, judgment is made, and reward and punishment are the result.

There are many things in these verses that could be examined in depth and at length. We could look at whether or not this is part of the “Great White Throne Judgment, the judgment of the dead” mentioned in Revelation 20:11, or the judgment of those who survived the “Great Tribulation” and are still alive at the return of Christ. We could look at just who the “Brethren” are referred to in vv. 40 and 45. Does this parable have to do with the treatment of Israel by the other nations of the world? We could look at the doctrines of predestination or election prompted by verse 34, or the question of the eternality of hell referred to in verse 46.

While the examination of these issues is certainly worthwhile, none of them pertain to what is the main thrust of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. What is God trying to reveal to us in these verses? Note that both of the groups represented by the Sheep and the Goats where not aware of their actions in relation to the judgment conferred upon them and both asked “When did we do these things?” And this question, in itself, is very revealing as to the condition of the heart of those involved.

In these verses we are looking at man redeemed and saved, and man condemned and lost. Salvation takes place at the moment we receive Jesus Christ, by grace through faith, as our Savior. In this giving of yourself, you become a child of God (see John 1:12-13). 2 Corinthians 5:17 tells us that; “if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come.” But what is it, exactly, that makes us a “new creation.” We are still in this flesh (see Romans 7:14-25), we are still in this world (see James 4:4), and have no doubt, we are still sinners (see 1 John 1:8).

The change or transformation that takes place in us at the moment of conversion is the fact that we are sealed by God in the person of the Holy Spirit (see Ephesians 1:13-14), resulting in salvation. Salvation means that we are brought to the place where we are able to receive something from Christ, namely, forgiveness of sins (see Acts 26:17-18). Our sin debt to God is then cancelled by the atoning death of Christ on the cross, who, at salvation, becomes our Lord. He paid the price for our sin since we could not (see 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 and Hebrews 10:27-28). From this moment on, when the Father looks at us, He chooses to see His Son indwelling us by the Spirit as opposed to seeing our own sinful flesh, and it is only in this manner that our works become acceptable to Him. These works are not being offered by our sinful flesh, but by the power of the Spirit that resides in us.

At salvation our duty as Christians is to become Disciples of Christ. Our duty is to become like Him (see Romans 8:29, 2 Corinthians 3:18, and Colossians 2:6-7). Galatians 5:22 tells us that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self control. These are the characteristic traits that Jesus Christ exhibited throughout His life, and a Christian will grow in this fruit in direct proportion to the cooperation that he gives the Holy Spirit working in his life. Good works in a Christian’s life are the direct overflow of these characteristic traits, and are only acceptable to God because of the relationship that exist between servant and Master, the saved and their Lord, the Sheep and their Shepherd (see Ephesians 2:10).

So the core message of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats is that good works will result from our relationship to the Shepherd, to Christ. Followers of Christ will produce good works, will treat others with kindness, will deal with others as if they were Christ. Those who reject Christ live in the opposite manner. While “goats” can indeed do acts of kindness and charity, their hearts are not truly in them for the right purpose – to honor and worship God.

The practical message of the Parable of the Sheep and Goats is: Just where, exactly, do we stand in relation to the Shepherd. Are you a Sheep or a Goat, saved or lost? Until you come to the place in your life that you find yourself among the sheep, until you are saved by faith, through the grace and mercy of God, you will never find true and lasting peace with God. God made us for Himself, and our hearts will be restless until we find our rest in Him. Consider the Parable of the Sheep and Goats. What is the condition of your heart? Remember; “he is no fool who gives away what he can not keep, to gain that which he can not lose” (author unknown). Make your decision to dwell with the sheep under the care of the Shepherd, by the grace of God, with the love of Jesus.

Elijah here:
Right side or the left side?? I don't know except that there is a plumb/line of division, meaning Eternal Life or Eternal Damnation. Even in heaven we see this! What was BEFORE the creation Adam?? Much! But nothing was before the EVERLASTING GOSPEL & the EVERLASTING COVENANT of Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20. Yet, Adam was created, but the Everlasting Gospel & Covenant are as the mind of the Godhead, eternal!

It seems that with FAITH or BELIEF, one can still be 'spoon-fed with the Truth, yet, that of Heb. 5's 'milk' is reaching out for meat obtained by Faith & Belief!!]
The above questions ARE ANSWERED by the GodHead, 'if' (Conditional, huh!) one REALLY BELIEVES the WORD OF GOD! IF ONE REALLY HAS FAITH IN THE MASTER'S WORDS!

Notice: "THE THING THAT [HATH BEEN IT IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE]; AND THAT [WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE]: AND THERE IS [NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN.]" Even a young un/converted kid can understand that TRUTH!

And then what do we hear from us mature adults?? Well maybe Lord! Or that this is not 'Inspiration'! Or look at the 'arm of flesh', huh? (their words & the reams & reams of mans Ph. D. Matt. 25 FOOLISH junk!!) This one belives!?

Well: Because there are SO FEW times that this is not to God's providence, He tell us of these rather the other way around. (if you can follow that?) He tells us that there will never be another world flood! He tells us that 'sin WILL NOT ARISE A SECOND TIME' Na. 1:9 And but very few others, such as the rain shall fall on the just & the unjust alike.

So, does that cause you to now BELIEVE GOD? (naw!) We are bent on not believing God's Word! (regardless of what we profess, huh?) Or that.. God did not say that there was something that was not NEW, clear enough!! ??

But 'think', just [IF] you could [BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD], think of how easy it would be to understand the book of Revelation! Or the first history of Israel of old! OR THE REBELLION THAT [*ORIGINATED] (first) IN HEAVEN!! (Rev. 12:7-12) Or even the first pro/created of Adam & Eve's son, Cain, who fell while in 'MATURITY on earth! Gen. 4:6-7. Now, who was it that was BEFORE Cain's [[B]MATURE] Apostasy?[/B] Well, read the verse, he was right there beside his subject Cain, that Christ was talking with! The satan serpent of Rev. 12! The one cast out of heaven. See Eze. 28. Cain was Adams first son who rebelled, so God has told us that Lucifer was the Godheads first created one in heaven that rebelled!

OK: One more verse! [u]Will one believe God?? In Eccl. 3:14-15 some 'see' again the [SECOND TIME] God telling us a shortcut for the understanding of His Truth (WORD) to us. Notice first the verse 14 Word, for this Word reiterates the closing Words of His complete Word to us. Check the last few verses of Rev.'s verses 18-19 of how mankind has his name [REMOVED FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE]. (remember, that to be removed, it had to be there in the FIRST place)

And verse 15 of Eccl. 3 tells it SO CLEARLY [AGAIN THE SECOND TIME] that you would need the Ph. D's stuff, that none agree on anyhow, to be in the Babylon confusion of Rev. 17:5

The GODHEAD RECORDS *AGAIN:
"THAT WHICH [HATH BEEN IS NOW] AND THAT [WHICH IS TO BE IS ALREADY BEEN]: AND [GOD *REQUIRES THAT WHICH IS PAST]".

Now what?
Even the 'BLIND' ones of Rev. 3:16-17 are fulfilling this Truth! Not just the ones of Rev. 17:5.
In closing, read Eze. 33:30-32 for the last time prophecy!

What was BEFORE the creation Adam?? Much! But nothing was before the EVERLASTING GOSPEL & the EVERLASTING COVENANT of Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20. Yet, Adam was created, but the Everlasting Gospel & Covenant are as the mind & Moral fiber or Character of the Godhead, eternal!

It seems that with FAITH or BELIEF, one can still be 'spoon-fed with the Truth, yet, that of Heb. 5's 'milk' is reaching out for meat obtained by Faith & Belief!!] James 2's Works!
The above questions ARE ANSWERED by the GodHead, 'if' (Conditional, huh!) one REALLY BELIEVES the WORD OF GOD! IF ONE REALLY HAS FAITH IN THE MASTER'S WORDS!

Notice: "THE THING THAT [HATH BEEN IT IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE]; AND THAT [WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE]: AND THERE IS [NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN.]" Even a young un/converted kid can understand that TRUTH! And sheep + goats on one side & on the other side..SEPERATED?? Surely God has documented that it is to be so! See Obadiah 1:16

And then what do we hear from us mature adults?? Well maybe Lord! Or that this is not 'Inspiration'! Or look at the 'arm of flesh', huh? (their words & the reams & reams of mans Ph. D. Matt. 25 FOOLISH junk!!) This .. one does belive?

Well: Because there are SO FEW times that this is not to God's providence, He tell us of these rather the other way around. (if you can follow that?) He tells us that there will never be another world flood! He tells us that 'sin WILL NOT ARISE A SECOND TIME' Na. 1:9 And but very few others, such as the rain shall fall on the just & the unjust alike. Yet, each time there was a SEPERATION of wheat & Tares, Sheep & the Goats, of Saints & sinners. And there will be this FINAL SEPERATION at the End of time! Yet, again take notice of 1 Peter 4:17 for whom are SEPERATED IN JUDGEMENT FIRST! 'The [HOUSE OF GOD].'

So, does that cause one to now BELIEVE GOD? Most are Matt. 7 Broadway bent on not believing God's Word! So are 'we' Sheep or Goats at the present time??

OK: One more verse! Will you believe it?? In Eccl. 3:14-15 some 'see' again the [SECOND TIME] God telling us a shortcut for the understanding of His Truth (WORD) to us. Notice first the verse 14 Word, for this Word reiterates the closing Words of His complete Word to us. Check the last few verses of Rev.'s verses 18-19 of how mankind can switch from being a goat to being saved, or from being a Sheep to being a lost goat which has his name [REMOVED FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE]. (remember, that to be removed, it had to be there in the FIRST place)

And verse 15 of Eccl. 3 tells it SO CLEARLY [AGAIN THE SECOND TIME] that you would need the Ph. D's stuff, that but few agree on anyhow, to be in the Babylon confusion of Rev. 17:5

The GODHEAD RECORDS *AGAIN:
"THAT WHICH [HATH BEEN IS NOW] AND THAT [WHICH IS TO BE hath ALREADY BEEN]: AND [GOD *REQUIRES THAT WHICH IS PAST]". Got that?? Sheep or Goats, Wheat or Tares? SEPERATION? Find the answer ALL THROUGH HISTORY that God Docuiments.

Now what?
Even the 'BLIND' ones of Rev. 3:16-17 are fulfilling this Truth! Not just the ones of Rev. 17:5.
In closing, read Eze. 33:30-32 for the last time prophecy!


What was BEFORE the creation Adam?? Much! But nothing was before the EVERLASTING GOSPEL & the EVERLASTING COVENANT of Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20. Yet, Adam was created, but the Everlasting Gospel & Covenant are as the mind of the Godhead, eternal!

It seems that with FAITH or BELIEF, one can still be 'spoon-fed with the Truth, yet, that of Heb. 5's 'milk' is reaching out for meat obtained by Faith & Belief!!]
The above questions ARE ANSWERED by the GodHead, 'if' (Conditional, huh!) one REALLY BELIEVES the WORD OF GOD! IF ONE REALLY HAS FAITH IN THE MASTER'S WORDS!

Notice: "THE THING THAT [HATH BEEN IT IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE]; AND THAT [WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE]: AND THERE IS [NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN.]" Even a young un/converted kid can understand that TRUTH!

And then what do we hear from us mature adults?? Well maybe Lord! Or that this is not 'Inspiration'! Or look at the 'arm of flesh', huh? (their words & the reams & reams of mans Ph. D. Matt. 25 FOOLISH junk!!) This one belives!?

Well: Because there are SO FEW times that this is not to God's providence, He tell us of these rather the other way around. (if you can follow that?) He tells us that there will never be another world flood! He tells us that 'sin WILL NOT ARISE A SECOND TIME' Na. 1:9 And but very few others, such as the rain shall fall on the just & the unjust alike.

So, does that cause you to now BELIEVE GOD? (naw!) We are bent on not believing God's Word! (regardless of what we profess, huh?) Or that.. God did not say that there was something that was not NEW, clear enough!! ??

But 'think', just [IF] you could [BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD], think of how easy it would be to understand the book of Revelation! Or the first history of Israel of old! OR THE REBELLION THAT [*ORIGINATED] (first) IN HEAVEN!! (Rev. 12:7-12) Or even the first pro/created of Adam & Eve's son, Cain, who fell while in 'MATURITY on earth! Gen. 4:6-7. Now, who was it that was BEFORE Cain's [[B]MATURE] Apostasy?[/B] Well, read the verse, he was right there beside his subject Cain, that Christ was talking with! The satan serpent of Rev. 12! The one cast out of heaven. See Eze. 28. Cain was Adams first son who rebelled, so God has told us that Lucifer was the Godheads first created one in heaven that rebelled!

OK: One more verse! Will you believe it?? In Eccl. 3:14-15 some 'see' again the [SECOND TIME] God telling us a shortcut for the understanding of His Truth (WORD) to us. Notice first the verse 14 Word, for this Word reiterates the closing Words of His complete Word to us. Check the last few verses of Rev.'s verses 18-19 of how mankind has his name [REMOVED FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE]. (remember, that to be removed, it had to be there in the FIRST place)

And verse 15 of Eccl. 3 tells it SO CLEARLY [AGAIN THE SECOND TIME] that you would need the Ph. D's stuff, that none agree on anyhow, to be in the Babylon confusion of Rev. 17:5

The GODHEAD RECORDS *AGAIN:
"THAT WHICH [HATH BEEN IS NOW] AND THAT [WHICH IS TO BE IS ALREADY BEEN]: AND [GOD *REQUIRES THAT WHICH IS PAST]".

Now what?
Even the 'BLIND' ones of Rev. 3:16-17 are fulfilling this Truth! Not just the ones of Rev. 17:5.
In closing, read Eze. 33:30-32 for the last time prophecy!

This is talking about those who were dead spaning from the time of Adam to those whom He had punished at His return.

Revelation 20:5 (KJV)
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (the first resurrection are those who will rule with Jesus over the nations, so that's why in verse 5 the unsaved dead are called the rest of the dead.)


These people will be resurrected in their former state and given the choice to accept God/Jesus in their life, but some will reject this offer and at this unspecified period of time He will then seperate the good from the wicked.

Just a little bump, to get this subject back on topic...and to answer a few of the last posts...please check out the bolded text above.

Sheep or Goats, Wheat or Tares were indeed seperated!
1 Peter 4:17. Christ's message + John the Baptist.. gave the Midnight Cry (Matt. 25) for this purpose. (AD 70 slaughter followed 39 years later) Read Matt. 10:5-6 on for the [LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL]! (38)

Christ's HOUSE (fold) BECAME DESOLATE OF HIM! Matt. 23:38 & satan took control. (compare Rev. 3:9 with Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15.

--Elijah