Very Good Shaun, we are beginning to see a clearer picture of some of this.


...why did Jesus use this parable, to seperate  right side and left side?  Anyone?
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With regard to right and left the right is relatively spiritual while the left is relatively physical. "He stretched out His right hand and created the heavens and stretched out His left hand and created the earth."
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"Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things..." 2 Timothy 4:2-5

They will also expel you and say all kind of evil things against you for His name sake. These things will happen but praise God – these people will be seen for what they are in time.

They will surely not escape!!!
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Acts 20:29
I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

A lot was already said on this topic that rings so true…
Having said that I’ll simply add that a picture says a thousand words.



In the end The Lord knows those who are His and as for those who aren't, well their end is coming!

All this is to God's Glory!

Thank you Jesus...  
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WOW! Talk about confirmation!!! Check this out:http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8304.htm


The Lord knows how . . . to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority (2 Peter 2:9, 10).

The apostle Peter reveals two ways by which we can identify false prophets and false teachers who operate within the church. First, they will be involved in immorality of some kind, indulging "the flesh in its corrupt desires." They may be discovered in illicit activities involving sex and/or money. They may be antinomian, claiming that God is all love and grace so we don't need to abide by any law. Their immorality may not be easy to spot, but it will eventually surface in their lives (2 Corinthians 11:15). Second, false prophets and teachers "despise authority" and are "daring, self-willed." These people have an independent spirit. They do their own thing and won't answer to anybody. They either won't submit to the authority of a denomination or board or they will pick their own board which will simply rubber-stamp anything they want to do.

There are historic leadership roles in Scripture: prophet (preaching and teaching), priest (pastoring and shepherding), and king (administration). Only Jesus in His perfection is capable of occupying all three roles simultaneously. I believe we need the checks and balances of a plurality of elders in the church, distributing the three critical roles to more than one person. No one can survive his own unchallenged authority. Every true, committed Christian in a leadership role needs to submit himself and his ideas to other mature believers who will hold him accountable.

We need spiritual leaders like those described by Peter: "Shepherd the flock of God among you, not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock" (1Peter 5:2, 3). Are you praying for your spiritual leaders to be conformed to God's standard of leadership or yours?

Great Shepherd, protect me from irresponsible spiritual leaders, mere "hired hands" who run away in times of crisis, instead of shepherds. Give my pastor a true shepherd's heart.
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WOW! Talk about confirmation!!! Check this out:http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/8304.htm


The Lord knows how . . . to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority (2 Peter 2:9, 10).

The apostle Peter reveals two ways by which we can identify false prophets and false teachers who operate within the church. First, they will be involved in immorality of some kind, indulging "the flesh in its corrupt desires." They may be discovered in illicit activities involving sex and/or money. They may be antinomian, claiming that God is all love and grace so we don't need to abide by any law. Their immorality may not be easy to spot, but it will eventually surface in their lives (2 Corinthians 11:15). Second, false prophets and teachers "despise authority" and are "daring, self-willed." These people have an independent spirit. They do their own thing and won't answer to anybody. They either won't submit to the authority of a denomination or board or they will pick their own board which will simply rubber-stamp anything they want to do.

There are historic leadership roles in Scripture: prophet (preaching and teaching), priest (pastoring and shepherding), and king (administration). Only Jesus in His perfection is capable of occupying all three roles simultaneously. I believe we need the checks and balances of a plurality of elders in the church, distributing the three critical roles to more than one person. No one can survive his own unchallenged authority. Every true, committed Christian in a leadership role needs to submit himself and his ideas to other mature believers who will hold him accountable.

We need spiritual leaders like those described by Peter: "Shepherd the flock of God among you, not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock" (1Peter 5:2, 3). Are you praying for your spiritual leaders to be conformed to God's standard of leadership or yours?

Great Shepherd, protect me from irresponsible spiritual leaders, mere "hired hands" who run away in times of crisis, instead of shepherds. Give my pastor a true shepherd's heart.
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Matthew 25:31-46 (King James Version)
 

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Why did Jesus seperate the sheep to his right side, and the  goats to his left side?
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The significance of the right hand and left hand in the context of this parable concerns the division between those who function in the role of true priesthood and those that do not.

Le 8:24 And he brought Aaron’s sons, and Moses put of the blood upon the tip of their right ear, and upon the thumbs of their right hands, and upon the great toes of their right feet: and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about.

Concerning the context Jesus's parable regarding the right hand (the sheep) and the left hand (goats), it is a necessity of our priestly function to feed those that hunger, give drink to the thirsty, clothe the naked and visit the sick and imprisoned.

The sprinkling of blood on the RIGHT ear represents our anointing and separation to God as priests to hear God's directions and obey, their thumbs of RIGHT HANDS are to serve those that hunger and thirst and are of need of clothes, and the big toes of their RIGHT FOOT speaks of our priestly duties to visit the sick and imprisoned.

We can see from this that those who stand on the right hand of Jesus (the sheep) are those functioning in thier priestly anointing. Those on the left (the goats) are not.

Jesus is our high priest whom we look to for encouagement and learning concerning these things. Jesus fulfilled these priestly functions while here on the earth and that is why He is by the right hand of the father.

Ac 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Ac 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

From these above examples we can clearly see a spiritual comparison between the right and left.


However, more important than just entering into discussion about scripture (which is profitable when prompted by the Holy Ghost and deep insight revealed) are our consequent actions as a result of His prompting and insight.

"What side of Christ are we standing on?" Am I feeding the hungry with the groceries I just purchased when I see them, do I give my best clothes to those that have not, do I take time out of my important week or sacrifice my alone time to visit the sick and those in prison? (I ask these questions of myself).

Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

In Him
Russell
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Traverer, thank you so much this is very much what I was looking for. Understanding the meaning of whether you are on the right hand or the left, makes a big difference, in understanding JESUS parable of the sheep and the goats.
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Yes indeed BZ The time is upon us when the lukewarm will be spat out. Again a time of division. Those who truly seek to die to self and let Christ live in them (by believe in that word and confessing it with their mouths) will move into the secret place of Psalm 91, also into His name which is a strong tower. These will let go of all to possess Him.Not just    words, but also walk the walk. The rest will fall out of pace and be "spewed out" of the mouth of God. Those that have joined the world with one foot and keeping a foot in the Kingdom, but have no real commitment will go.
love C
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Yes indeed BZ The time is upon us when the lukewarm will be spat out. Again a time of division. Those who truly seek to die to self and let Christ live in them (by believe in that word and confessing it with their mouths) will move into the secret place of Psalm 91, also into His name which is a strong tower. These will let go of all to possess Him.Not just    words, but also walk the walk. The rest will fall out of pace and be "spewed out" of the mouth of God. Those that have joined the world with one foot and keeping a foot in the Kingdom, but have no real commitment will go.
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the beauty of God's word.  the beauty of God's sword. glittering.

Jesus said: do you think that i have come to bring peace? i came, not to bring peace, but a sword.
to cause division.
....

this --spoken from the Prince of Peace.

what he meant is that the Truth will cause a division among people.

and it did just that ---even in the first century.

there was a great chasm that was fixed between phariseical leaders of the 'accepted way of religion' in those days,  and those that followed the Christ.

they were cast out of synagouges.  they were jailed.
they were beaten.  they were accused of blashpemy.
they were hated.  just as the Christ was.

so again, at his second coming, there is going to be a division once again.

he foretold, in parable, that a wicked man would sow weeds in the field among the wheat.  and that both would grow together..
until the harvest.

and then, a separating would occur.

the weeds would be bundled and tied together first.  for burning.
the wheat left remaining.
then these would be gathered into his storehouse.

the angels accomplish this work.

as Daniel said.  and You will certainly see the distinction between a righteous person, one who has served God, and an unrighteous one, one who has not served God.

the distinction would become very apparent.

So Jesus, once again, becomes a divider.  a separator.

a division between what is good, and what is bad.

he comes as a thief.

when a thief comes in the night, the householder
does not realize that the thief has come...for he is sleeping.

it is when he arises in the morning that he discovers that the thief
has already come...
and gone.

and along with him, he has taken what is valuable.  whatever things he wishes. 

it is then that the householder weeps.

-bz
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Hi,

"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of
sleep; for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed".

Roman 13:11.

Signet
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So very true.  We must be vigilent in our walk and talk with the LORD!   I am holding tight to the Nail Scared Hands of JESUS.

Something to look at that may shed some more light on the crucifixion,and the manner of it. Alot of people think Ha Maschiach was nailed through the hands, when modern forensics have indicated as well as the Shroud of Turino indicates the nailing was through the wrists, or so it is contended.

I am attaching the research website of the shroud, in which case if you print the picture of the shroud from the front and back views on photo paper, you can get a better realization of the wounds inflicted on Ha Maschiach. You can clearly see the flagellan tears, the plueral fluids from the "Spear" and even the tell tale wounds on the head as were left by the crown. Also this picture will reveal the legs were not broken as was common practice in Roman style crucifixion as this was performed to cause the person to drown in their own fluids.

http://www.shroud.com/

This may help many come to understand the nature and violence inflicted.


God Bless, Happy studying

Jeep
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John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

Ah yes, and this clothe resides in Spain

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Now, if you wish, Jeep you can put this in a new post. I would like for this thread to be about the Sheep and the Goats parable. Thank you for understanding.
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Some thoughts on the Sheep and the goats, and the seprating that GOD will do to the right  side and to the left side.

Jereimaih 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.

Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

In the day of seperation of the sheep and the goats we can see that GOD will know our innermost thoughts, and we will not be able to hide from HIM.  Would it be better to keep ourselves  in HIS WORD and in prayer and praise with HIM, so that we are kept as the sheep and not as the goats.

Also, upon looking at the attributes of sheep and goats, can we see which group we belong to?

Here is a sample of what I found on the net...

http://www.hsus.org/farm_animals/a_first_l..._and_goats.html
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BELOW IS A DREAM I HAD A FEW WEEKS AGO INTERLACED WITH AN INTERPRETATION GIVEN BY TRAVELLER THROUGH PRIVATE PM.  THOUGHT I SHOULD SHARE CONSIDERING THE TOPIC: 

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I dreamed that I was about to marry my grandfather.  We were trying to consumate the marriage after the ceremony had already taken place... in my spirit I knew that (I'm leaving specific details here) when I realized that the Bible might say something about this marriage being wrong.


## Your grandfather represents the ministers of the Church which has come under Gods judgment. These ministers teach believers religious information mixed up with the philosophies and principles of the world which are not able to feed Christians to develop them unto spiritual maturity.

## These ministers rely on religious knowledge or information to preach from an intectual standing and depend on the ways of the world to minister rather than from direct communion with the Holy Ghost.

## Your marriage to your grandfather and attempts to comsumate the marriage may pertain so some association with this old church structure which is now being judged by God.


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I opened my Bible in a different room to try and find a verse in Leviticus or Deut. that would say something about the marriage laws.  I couldn't find anything.  However, suddenly I was in another room filled with my relatives from my father's side, and they were all curious too if this marriage was indeed "illegal".  Then one cousin (whom I don't know very well) asked me that if the marriage was a sin, "Would God forgive that?"  I quickly said, "Yes, Jesus can forgive ANY SIN."


## The questions regarding the legality of the marriage concerns the spiritual legality of being in marriage so to speak with the old church structure that does not hear the Spirit of God.

## Leviticus and Deut., are both books of the bible that concern rules and laws. The old church structure use legalism to cause believers to conform rather than believers trusting in the leading and guiding and teaching of the Holy Spirit where in there is freedom and liberty of the Spirit.


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Suddenly the dream changed and I was in the middle of the field about to plant crops (wheat seeds?.... very small).  Along with rows of seeds I also knew that I was supposed to plant 2 different types of actual green plants every few feet (I believed that God said to do this somewhere in His word).  One kind of plant was supposed to bless the seed being planted.  The other kind of green plant (it had white flowers) was supposed to curse the seed being planted.  When I planted the plant that was supposed to bless the crop, I would say stuff like, "In Jesus' Name, may this plant bless the field."  However, when I would plant the white flowered plant that was supposed to curse the field, I would say, "I command this plant to DIE in Jesus' Name.


## The field represents the kingdom of God. The two types of plans represent two types of believers; those who have direct communion with the Holy Ghost, they are those who hear and obey (the kind of plant was supposed to bless the seed being planted). The other plant represents believers that neither hear the Holy Spirit nor desire to have a close and intimate relationship with Him.

## The seeds represent the words spoken by both types of believers. The seeds that are planted with a plant to bless (believer that hears the Holy Spirit) will be words (seeds) that will give spirit and live. The seeds planted with a plant that suppose to curse (believers that do not hear the voice of the Holy Spirit) are seeds that will not bring forth fruit to those it is spoken to.

## You being portrayed as the planter in the dream signifies that you will play a significant role (ministry) in bringing people to have thier own close and intimate communion with the Holy Spirit.


THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LEGALITY OF BEING MARRIED TO YOUR GRANDFATER (THE OLD CHURCH STRUCTURE WHICH HAS COME UNDER GOD'S JUDGMENT) IS A WARNING AND ENCOURAGMENT FOR ALL BELIEVERS TO COME OUT FROM SUCH A CHURCH STRUCTURE.

GOD HAS BEGUN TO SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE TARES - THOSE WHO HEAR AND OBEY THE VOICE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE THE WHEAT - THOSE WHO DO NOT HEAR AND KNOW THE HOLY GHOST ARE THE TARES.


****After reflecting upon this dream some more I began to ask God why he would use something so graphic as consumating a marriage with my grandfather as an anology to represent this apostate church.  I am of the impression that as ugly and abhorrant as it would be to marry and perform the marital act with my grandfather is to me- THIS IS HOW ABHORRANT THIS APOSTATE CHURCH SYSTEM IS TO OUR HEAVENLY FATHER.

He is calling us- desperately calling us- TO COME OUT OF HER!!!
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Remember my dreams that I have posted...and this all ties into what I saw in my dreamlets recently.


The dream I had a few years ago, and still haunts me...

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=3572


Twilight dream....

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4027


The scroll mixing in the air. with the words of men...

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=4909

Recently, I have had dreamlets, one that was like the final judgemet when all are being judged, before the throne of GOD. Those that did not have thier names written in the Book of the LAMB were being tried. It was in that dream that several names were given for me to pray for...last night I dreamed of the spiritual war over the souls of men, being waged in new ways and as never before seen.
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Hi,

I posted to your piglet dream.

Blessings,
Signet
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Beautiful...twilight.


Where is it that says...tears last for a night, but joy cometh in the morning? 

Signet
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