Just to wet your appetite, you can read the rest here:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
Full Version: Bible Numerics
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Hey C
there a theory out there that when each person dies, they lose 21 grams of weight at the moment of death. 7 grams x 3
Jeep
there a theory out there that when each person dies, they lose 21 grams of weight at the moment of death. 7 grams x 3
Jeep
QUOTE(Cornelius @ May 8 2006, 02:37 PM)
Just to wet your appetite, you can read the rest here:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
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http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
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Hi,
In the middle of the first sentence is found the Alef-Tav or Alpha-Omega.
Signet
QUOTE(Signet @ May 8 2006, 03:00 PM)
QUOTE(Cornelius @ May 8 2006, 02:37 PM)
Just to wet your appetite, you can read the rest here:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
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http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
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Hi,
In the middle of the first sentence is found the Alef-Tav or Alpha-Omega.
Signet
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Hey your right....good eye sig...good eye
Jeep
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Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel.
This is grossly incorrect.
I know some groups believe that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible,but there is no indication in the Bible that he actually did. Also, as these books have clearly been written by more than one person, are rife with anachornisms, and mention events after Moses' death, Mosaic authorship is very doubtful.
David is credited with writing many psalms, but there really is no hard evidence that he did.
But even if we grant these two as being authors, we really do not know for certain who wrote any of the OT books.
Again, if we just accept these traditions, we have a problem because the prophet Zechariah is mentioned in Matthew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
This sort of puts the numbers out does it not?
Also, Jonah is mentioned nine times in the NT.
e.g. Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
What about Solomon, who is credited with old testament authorship of Ecclesiastes and almost all of Proverbs and is mentioned in Matthew 6:29 and 9 other verses:
Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.
Samuel:
Acts 3:24
"Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have foretold these days.
Why are these prophets and Old Testament authors left out of this scenario?
What about Job?
James 5:11
As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
QUOTE
David's name is found 1134 times
A search of the KJV reveals that David's name is only mentioned 895 times.
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?searc...in=1&spanend=73
QUOTE
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70).
Methuselah was 969 when he died, Adam 830.
QUOTE
Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years
Dead brain cells do not renew, as is evident by the quality of your author's research.
Hardly worthwhile continuing really, if the first part of the presentation is rife with errors theres a fair chance the rest is too.
Zero out of ten for this amateur effort.
I wonder if I can find that in the Bible?
People should be wary when people makes wonderful claims such as these for the Bible, they try to make the Bible into a gimmick. It also demonstrates an ignorance of how the Bible was constructed.
It was written by people who were barely any different from us, complete with faults. The authors of the Bible were no strangers to propaganda, over exaggeration, and flights of fantasy.
The Bible should be appreciated for what it is, a wonderful collection of ancient literature. There is nothing supernatural about it.
Brian.
Brian, the Christians on this site are just having a but of fun here, These numbers were done a long time ago, by hand, before the use of computers. The latest work is rather astounding , much more than these old efforts.Bu I will look for some more of this old chap's work....he was rather good I think 
Most Christians do not care about the numbers as they know the real Author of the Bible personally. In Him we move and have our being.It is Him who gave Himself out of love to save the world. He loves you, He cares and He brought you here.
If you are really interested in numerics (and a bit more....), the more serious stuff is available as well. One link is at the top of this page , in the blue bar to the left Picture Bible Code and Prophecy Numbers here you will find numbers with errors. You can also look in that site for the link to the Temple site, with more numerics. There are plenty of serious sites to look at if you are willing.
It is good to keep an open mind
Actually here it is...I copied it for you: http://www.bible-codes.org/
enjoy
C
Most Christians do not care about the numbers as they know the real Author of the Bible personally. In Him we move and have our being.It is Him who gave Himself out of love to save the world. He loves you, He cares and He brought you here.
If you are really interested in numerics (and a bit more....), the more serious stuff is available as well. One link is at the top of this page , in the blue bar to the left Picture Bible Code and Prophecy Numbers here you will find numbers with errors. You can also look in that site for the link to the Temple site, with more numerics. There are plenty of serious sites to look at if you are willing.
It is good to keep an open mind
Actually here it is...I copied it for you: http://www.bible-codes.org/
enjoy
C
Just some more fun from the same guy, he sure was persistent!
http://www.fixedearth.com/Panin.htm
A converted Russian nihilist, Ivan Panin, graduated from Harvard in 1882 as a mathematician. He then spent 50 years (wow!) on deciphering the mind-blowing mathematical structure of the Bible from the first word to the last. Since every letter in every word of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts also has a numerical equivalent, every letter, word, phrase, sentence, paragraph, and even every subject has a definite arithmetical sum.
What follows is a severely abbreviated example of the kinds of phenomena Dr. Panin discovered when working with those numerical equivalents...regardless of whether they pertained to a given subject such as the genealogy of Christ, or a book of the Bible, or the Bible in its entirety. Marvel at each of these as you read:
The number of words in the vocabulary will divide by the number seven.
The number of words beginning with a vowel is divisible by seven.
The number of words beginning with a consonant is divisible by seven.
The number of letters in the vocabulary of a subject (like the genealogy of Christ) is divisible by seven.
Of these letters, those which are consonants and those which are vowels both divide by seven.
The number of words occurring more than once is divisible by seven. Those occurring only once likewise divide by seven.
The number of nouns is divisible by seven. The number that are not nouns divides by seven.
The number of proper names divides by seven. The male names divide by seven. The female names divide by seven.
The number of words beginning with each of the letters of the alphabet is divisible by seven.
Having explained the function of numeric and place values in the Hebrew and Greek languages in Scripture, it is noted by way of example that the value of the word "Jesus" in Greek is 975, of which the numeric value is 888, and the place value is 87. These features produced these astonishing results in addition to the previous examples:
The numeric value of the vocabulary is divisible by seven.
The numerical value of the various alphabetical groups of words is divisible by seven.
The numerical value of the various forms in which the words occur produce the same phenomenon.
Dr. Panin challenged any person to write one paragraph of 300 words intelligently and produce some numeric phenomena of like designs, and complete it within six months. Anyone who could do it would prove himself/herself a wonder. No takers.
http://www.fixedearth.com/Panin.htm
A converted Russian nihilist, Ivan Panin, graduated from Harvard in 1882 as a mathematician. He then spent 50 years (wow!) on deciphering the mind-blowing mathematical structure of the Bible from the first word to the last. Since every letter in every word of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts also has a numerical equivalent, every letter, word, phrase, sentence, paragraph, and even every subject has a definite arithmetical sum.
What follows is a severely abbreviated example of the kinds of phenomena Dr. Panin discovered when working with those numerical equivalents...regardless of whether they pertained to a given subject such as the genealogy of Christ, or a book of the Bible, or the Bible in its entirety. Marvel at each of these as you read:
The number of words in the vocabulary will divide by the number seven.
The number of words beginning with a vowel is divisible by seven.
The number of words beginning with a consonant is divisible by seven.
The number of letters in the vocabulary of a subject (like the genealogy of Christ) is divisible by seven.
Of these letters, those which are consonants and those which are vowels both divide by seven.
The number of words occurring more than once is divisible by seven. Those occurring only once likewise divide by seven.
The number of nouns is divisible by seven. The number that are not nouns divides by seven.
The number of proper names divides by seven. The male names divide by seven. The female names divide by seven.
The number of words beginning with each of the letters of the alphabet is divisible by seven.
Having explained the function of numeric and place values in the Hebrew and Greek languages in Scripture, it is noted by way of example that the value of the word "Jesus" in Greek is 975, of which the numeric value is 888, and the place value is 87. These features produced these astonishing results in addition to the previous examples:
The numeric value of the vocabulary is divisible by seven.
The numerical value of the various alphabetical groups of words is divisible by seven.
The numerical value of the various forms in which the words occur produce the same phenomenon.
Dr. Panin challenged any person to write one paragraph of 300 words intelligently and produce some numeric phenomena of like designs, and complete it within six months. Anyone who could do it would prove himself/herself a wonder. No takers.
QUOTE(Brian @ May 8 2006, 03:24 PM)
The Bible should be appreciated for what it is, a wonderful collection of ancient literature. There is nothing supernatural about it.
Praise Yeshua we are not held to your opinion.
QUOTE(Brian @ May 8 2006, 04:24 PM)
Hardly worthwhile continuing really
I agree. So why do you even bother?
QUOTE(Brian @ May 8 2006, 04:24 PM)
Zero out of ten for this amateur effort.
That's funny. That's exactly what I was thinking while reading your response.
What are you a game show host? Let's see what's behind door number 3. Ah yes, another person that denies the Bible as the inspired and breathed Word of The Living God.
That's not much of a prize, is it now?
QUOTE(Brian @ May 8 2006, 04:24 PM)
The Bible should be appreciated for what it is, a wonderful collection of ancient literature. There is nothing supernatural about it.
Why even bother at all if you're going to look at it like that? I'm glad you appreciate the talent of the writers though. I'm sure they and God would be thrilled that you approve.
Hi,
I understand this about numbers...everything is numbered. Language
is numeric and even languages that do not equate a letter with a
numeric value, no matter it stll is numbers.
Saying this, I mean that that without the Word there is no meaning.
And words alone speak...history or future...but that even
so, words separate thought into reality...manifesting that which is
thought into words that are spoken... The Word spoken is truth, whether we understand it our not...it is still the dividing of marrow and bone.
In dividing the Word correctly, the full manifestation comes forth...
and all things according to the time that God has determined...so
faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God...all words
manifest something...and we see that in the world today that we
have not brought forth the Word to the degree that tribulation is
a necessity or consequence....yet, we will see that the little
mustard seed of faith in each of us is enough to take us to this
point...the tribulation...and lead us through...numbers are letters
and the very stars in the sky are numbered.and named ...do we understand the mathematical wonder of the universe...no, not me...except for the hope of my salvation...what a wonder that is...
If it takes one a mathematical equation, then there is one for that,
if it takes a voice in the middle of the night saying, "He lives",
then Jesus, the Word is already there...waiting...
Blessings,
Signet
I understand this about numbers...everything is numbered. Language
is numeric and even languages that do not equate a letter with a
numeric value, no matter it stll is numbers.
Saying this, I mean that that without the Word there is no meaning.
And words alone speak...history or future...but that even
so, words separate thought into reality...manifesting that which is
thought into words that are spoken... The Word spoken is truth, whether we understand it our not...it is still the dividing of marrow and bone.
In dividing the Word correctly, the full manifestation comes forth...
and all things according to the time that God has determined...so
faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God...all words
manifest something...and we see that in the world today that we
have not brought forth the Word to the degree that tribulation is
a necessity or consequence....yet, we will see that the little
mustard seed of faith in each of us is enough to take us to this
point...the tribulation...and lead us through...numbers are letters
and the very stars in the sky are numbered.and named ...do we understand the mathematical wonder of the universe...no, not me...except for the hope of my salvation...what a wonder that is...
If it takes one a mathematical equation, then there is one for that,
if it takes a voice in the middle of the night saying, "He lives",
then Jesus, the Word is already there...waiting...
Blessings,
Signet
And then of course there is this one Brian...Nothing supernatural about the Bible!
Wow! Hang around here for a while Brian...Boy have we got some shocking news for you.
The Center of the Bible
"This is pretty strange or odd how it worked out this way. Even if you are not religious, you should read this.
What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117
What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119
Which chapter is in the center of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118
Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.
What is the center verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8
Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?
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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?
2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?
4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?
5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?
6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?
Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8
Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control".
(I guess they even pick this apart...)
Wow! Hang around here for a while Brian...Boy have we got some shocking news for you.
The Center of the Bible
"This is pretty strange or odd how it worked out this way. Even if you are not religious, you should read this.
What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117
What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119
Which chapter is in the center of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118
Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.
What is the center verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8
Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?
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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?
2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?
4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?
5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?
6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?
Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8
Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control".
(I guess they even pick this apart...)
The Astonishing Pattern of SEVENS in Genesis 1:1
by Grant R. Jeffrey
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)
(Genesis 1:1)
Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance. Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters. Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection - the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, etc. In total, Panin discovered 30 separate codes involving the number 7 in this first verse of the Bible.
A Partial Listing of the Phenomenal Features of Sevens Found in Genesis 1: 1. The number of Hebrew words = 7
2. The number of letters equals 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
3. The first three Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" contain 14 letters
(7 x 2 = 14)
4. The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
5. The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6. The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7. The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
8. The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7 x 2 = 14)
9. The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
10. The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7 x 19 = 133)
11. The Hebrew numeric value of the first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7 x 199 = 1393)
12. ...
When professors on the mathematics faculty at Harvard University were presented with this biblical phenomenon they naturally attempted to disprove its significance as a proof of divine authorship. However, after valiant efforts these professors were unable to duplicate this incredible mathematical phenomenon. The Harvard scientists used the English language and artificially assigned numeric values to the English alphabet. They had a potential vocabulary of over 400,000 available English words to choose from to construct a sentence about any topic they chose. Compare this to the limitations of word choices in the biblical Hebrew language which has only forty-five hundred available word choices that the writers of the Old Testament could use. Despite their advanced mathematical abilities and access to computers the mathematicians were unable to come close to incorporating 30 mathematical multiples of 7 as found in the Hebrew words of Genesis 1:1.
The number "seven" permeates the totality of Scripture because the number speaks of God's divine perfection and perfect order. The actual number 7 appears 287 times in the Old Testament (7 x 41 = 287) while the word "seventh" occurs 98 times (7 x 14 = 98). The word "seven-fold" appears seven times. In addition, the word "seventy" is used 56 times (7 x 8 = 56).
Ivan Panin discovered literally thousands of such mathematical patterns underlying all of the books of the Old Testament before his death in 1942. I refer the interested reader to Panin's book, The Inspiration of the Scriptures Scientifically Demonstrated, which discusses these phenomena extensively. Panin and others have examined other Hebrew literature and have attempted to find such mathematical patterns, but they are not found anywhere outside the Bible.
The Pattern of SEVENS in Matthew 1:18-25 - The History of Christ's Birth
1. The number of words in the seven word passage is 161 (7 x 23 = 161)
2. The number of Vocabulary words is 77 (7 x 11 = 77)
3. Six Greek words occur only in this passage and never again in Matthew. These six Greek words contain precisely 56 letters (7 x 8 = 56)
4. The number of distinct proper names in the passage is 7
5. The number of Greek letters in these seven proper names is 42 (7 x 6 = 42)
6. The number of words spoken by the angel to Joseph is 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
7. The number of Greek forms of words used in this passage is 161 (7 x 23 = 161)
8. The number of Greek forms of words in the angel's speech is 35 (7 x 5 = 35)
9. The number of letters in the angel's 35 forms of words is 168 (7 x 24 = 168)
This phenomenal discovery by Panin has been examined by numerous authorities and the figures have been verified. In total, Panin accumulated over forty thousand pages of detailed calculations covering most of the text of the Bible before his death. These incredible, mathematical patterns are not limited to the number seven. There are numerous other patterns. These amazing patterns appear in the vocabulary, grammatical forms, parts of speech, and particular forms of words. They occur throughout the whole text of the Bible containing 31,173 verses. When you consider the amazing details of this mathematical phenomenon you realize that the change of a single letter or word in the original languages of Hebrew or Greek would destroy the pattern. Now we can understand why Jesus Christ declared that the smallest letter and grammatical mark of the Scriptures was persevered by God's Hand: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18).
What was Panin's own view of the Scriptures after a lifetime of diligent study? He wrote the following statement in one of his essays after warning of the limitations of wisdom found in secular philosophy. "Not so, however, with The Book. For it tells of One who spake as men never spake, who was the true bread of life, that which cometh down from the heavens, of which if a man eat he shall never hunger." Ivan Panin's conclusion of the matter was the following challenge. "My friend of the world, whose you are: Either Jesus Christ is mistaken or you are. The answer that neither might be is only evading the issue, not settling it. But the ages have decided that Jesus Christ was not mistaken. It is for you to decide whether you shall continue to be."
by Grant R. Jeffrey
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1)
(Genesis 1:1)
Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance. Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters. Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection - the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, etc. In total, Panin discovered 30 separate codes involving the number 7 in this first verse of the Bible.
A Partial Listing of the Phenomenal Features of Sevens Found in Genesis 1: 1. The number of Hebrew words = 7
2. The number of letters equals 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
3. The first three Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" contain 14 letters
(7 x 2 = 14)
4. The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
5. The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6. The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7. The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
8. The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7 x 2 = 14)
9. The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
10. The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7 x 19 = 133)
11. The Hebrew numeric value of the first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7 x 199 = 1393)
12. ...
When professors on the mathematics faculty at Harvard University were presented with this biblical phenomenon they naturally attempted to disprove its significance as a proof of divine authorship. However, after valiant efforts these professors were unable to duplicate this incredible mathematical phenomenon. The Harvard scientists used the English language and artificially assigned numeric values to the English alphabet. They had a potential vocabulary of over 400,000 available English words to choose from to construct a sentence about any topic they chose. Compare this to the limitations of word choices in the biblical Hebrew language which has only forty-five hundred available word choices that the writers of the Old Testament could use. Despite their advanced mathematical abilities and access to computers the mathematicians were unable to come close to incorporating 30 mathematical multiples of 7 as found in the Hebrew words of Genesis 1:1.
The number "seven" permeates the totality of Scripture because the number speaks of God's divine perfection and perfect order. The actual number 7 appears 287 times in the Old Testament (7 x 41 = 287) while the word "seventh" occurs 98 times (7 x 14 = 98). The word "seven-fold" appears seven times. In addition, the word "seventy" is used 56 times (7 x 8 = 56).
Ivan Panin discovered literally thousands of such mathematical patterns underlying all of the books of the Old Testament before his death in 1942. I refer the interested reader to Panin's book, The Inspiration of the Scriptures Scientifically Demonstrated, which discusses these phenomena extensively. Panin and others have examined other Hebrew literature and have attempted to find such mathematical patterns, but they are not found anywhere outside the Bible.
The Pattern of SEVENS in Matthew 1:18-25 - The History of Christ's Birth
1. The number of words in the seven word passage is 161 (7 x 23 = 161)
2. The number of Vocabulary words is 77 (7 x 11 = 77)
3. Six Greek words occur only in this passage and never again in Matthew. These six Greek words contain precisely 56 letters (7 x 8 = 56)
4. The number of distinct proper names in the passage is 7
5. The number of Greek letters in these seven proper names is 42 (7 x 6 = 42)
6. The number of words spoken by the angel to Joseph is 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
7. The number of Greek forms of words used in this passage is 161 (7 x 23 = 161)
8. The number of Greek forms of words in the angel's speech is 35 (7 x 5 = 35)
9. The number of letters in the angel's 35 forms of words is 168 (7 x 24 = 168)
This phenomenal discovery by Panin has been examined by numerous authorities and the figures have been verified. In total, Panin accumulated over forty thousand pages of detailed calculations covering most of the text of the Bible before his death. These incredible, mathematical patterns are not limited to the number seven. There are numerous other patterns. These amazing patterns appear in the vocabulary, grammatical forms, parts of speech, and particular forms of words. They occur throughout the whole text of the Bible containing 31,173 verses. When you consider the amazing details of this mathematical phenomenon you realize that the change of a single letter or word in the original languages of Hebrew or Greek would destroy the pattern. Now we can understand why Jesus Christ declared that the smallest letter and grammatical mark of the Scriptures was persevered by God's Hand: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18).
What was Panin's own view of the Scriptures after a lifetime of diligent study? He wrote the following statement in one of his essays after warning of the limitations of wisdom found in secular philosophy. "Not so, however, with The Book. For it tells of One who spake as men never spake, who was the true bread of life, that which cometh down from the heavens, of which if a man eat he shall never hunger." Ivan Panin's conclusion of the matter was the following challenge. "My friend of the world, whose you are: Either Jesus Christ is mistaken or you are. The answer that neither might be is only evading the issue, not settling it. But the ages have decided that Jesus Christ was not mistaken. It is for you to decide whether you shall continue to be."
QUOTE(Cornelius @ May 15 2006, 10:29 AM)
Brian, the Christians on this site are just having a but of fun here, These numbers were done a long time ago, by hand, before the use of computers. The latest work is rather astounding , much more than these old efforts.Bu I will look for some more of this old chap's work....he was rather good I think
Most Christians do not care about the numbers as they know the real Author of the Bible personally. In Him we move and have our being.It is Him who gave Himself out of love to save the world. He loves you, He cares and He brought you here.
If you are really interested in numerics (and a bit more....), the more serious stuff is available as well. One link is at the top of this page , in the blue bar to the left Picture Bible Code and Prophecy Numbers here you will find numbers with errors. You can also look in that site for the link to the Temple site, with more numerics. There are plenty of serious sites to look at if you are willing.
It is good to keep an open mind
Actually here it is...I copied it for you: http://www.bible-codes.org/
enjoy
C
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Most Christians do not care about the numbers as they know the real Author of the Bible personally. In Him we move and have our being.It is Him who gave Himself out of love to save the world. He loves you, He cares and He brought you here.
If you are really interested in numerics (and a bit more....), the more serious stuff is available as well. One link is at the top of this page , in the blue bar to the left Picture Bible Code and Prophecy Numbers here you will find numbers with errors. You can also look in that site for the link to the Temple site, with more numerics. There are plenty of serious sites to look at if you are willing.
It is good to keep an open mind
Actually here it is...I copied it for you: http://www.bible-codes.org/
enjoy
C
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I must swallow my own words here. Panin's work is some of the most significant ever done. He is the instrument that has brought forth the Numeric New Testament. This NT is numerically SO correct that if you leave out one letter, the numerics falls flat again, They can determine plurals etc using the numeric pattern.
Before they use to translate the body of the Two Witnesses as bodies, because it did not make sense to have "body", but the numeric is clear ..."body" the same word as "body of Christ" showing a lot of people making up the Two Witnesses. Two groups of people,..the Gentile and Jewish Christians of the end time.
Its not the first time I had to eat my words.
love C
http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Apologetic..._Ivan_Panin.htm
that is really interesting...more than 2...a collective 2...old & new?
Jew, and Christian believers? Tribes, the 10 and 2, Judah and Ephraim?
Is this a clue that the literal 2 will also be 144,000 each. I recently
inquired about this on another thread because I read that here I think.
I think it is really interesting to do a study on twos and pairs in
the Bible, explicit and implicit.
thank you,
Blessings,
signet
Jew, and Christian believers? Tribes, the 10 and 2, Judah and Ephraim?
Is this a clue that the literal 2 will also be 144,000 each. I recently
inquired about this on another thread because I read that here I think.
I think it is really interesting to do a study on twos and pairs in
the Bible, explicit and implicit.
thank you,
Blessings,
signet
QUOTE(PraisingYeshua @ May 23 2006, 05:09 PM)
QUOTE(Brian @ May 8 2006, 03:24 PM)
The Bible should be appreciated for what it is, a wonderful collection of ancient literature. There is nothing supernatural about it.
Praise Yeshua we are not held to your opinion.
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Thank goodness we are not held to Jesus' opinions either.
Brian.
Ah... but Jesus doesn't have opinions. He is Truth. He cannot lie.
[quote] I agree. So why do you even bother? [/quote]
I didn't, I stopped when I realised this.
[quote]
That's funny. That's exactly what I was thinking while reading your response. [/quote]
So, IYO, did I or did I not demonstrate that there are more prophets mentioned in the NT than the claim said there was?
[quote] What are you a game show host? [/quote]
In a way I suppose I am
[quote] Let's see what's behind door number 3. Ah yes, another person that denies the Bible as the inspired and breathed Word of The Living God. [/quote]
I am pretty sure a supreme being could do a much better job of inspiring a text.
[quote] That's not much of a prize, is it now? [/quote]
You want a prize?
[quote] Why even bother at all if you're going to look at it like that? [/quote]
Because that's the way it was written. The Bible is really no different than many other ancient texts (I'm talking Hebrew Bible here, I find the NT far too boring), with its authors as biased as any other nation's scribes.
It is a good anthropological tool, as it allows us some insight into the minds of the authors. As an historical source, most of the events mentioned in Genesis through to the end of Judges have certyianly been shown to be either fictitious or grossly exaggerated.
[qs] I'm glad you appreciate the talent of the writers though. I'm sure they and God would be thrilled that you approve.
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I think the authors are dead now, as for God, He's never that easy to please.
Brian.
I didn't, I stopped when I realised this.
[quote]
That's funny. That's exactly what I was thinking while reading your response. [/quote]
So, IYO, did I or did I not demonstrate that there are more prophets mentioned in the NT than the claim said there was?
[quote] What are you a game show host? [/quote]
In a way I suppose I am
[quote] Let's see what's behind door number 3. Ah yes, another person that denies the Bible as the inspired and breathed Word of The Living God. [/quote]
I am pretty sure a supreme being could do a much better job of inspiring a text.
[quote] That's not much of a prize, is it now? [/quote]
You want a prize?
[quote] Why even bother at all if you're going to look at it like that? [/quote]
Because that's the way it was written. The Bible is really no different than many other ancient texts (I'm talking Hebrew Bible here, I find the NT far too boring), with its authors as biased as any other nation's scribes.
It is a good anthropological tool, as it allows us some insight into the minds of the authors. As an historical source, most of the events mentioned in Genesis through to the end of Judges have certyianly been shown to be either fictitious or grossly exaggerated.
[qs] I'm glad you appreciate the talent of the writers though. I'm sure they and God would be thrilled that you approve.
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I think the authors are dead now, as for God, He's never that easy to please.
Brian.
Welcome back Brian So you did not read through the previous posts.
For a "clever” man, you are showing ignorance in public, where all can see. The before- mentioned numerics were tested at Harvard and found to be true.
But I know you do not care, you just need to get as far away from God as you possibly can, and you are doing it by trying to argue Him out of your mind. That is fine, because you cannot come to Him, if He does not call. I think He is calling you, because you are here, but you are still running. which is fine, you are not faster than Him. Many on this forum know what I am talking about…at one time…we were all running like you. We all have a story.
But He loves you nevertheless, like He loves us all. You feel it, but do not want to know it. That is why you come back here, even if you hate all of this.
C
So you did not read through the previous posts.For a "clever” man, you are showing ignorance in public, where all can see. The before- mentioned numerics were tested at Harvard and found to be true.
But I know you do not care, you just need to get as far away from God as you possibly can, and you are doing it by trying to argue Him out of your mind. That is fine, because you cannot come to Him, if He does not call. I think He is calling you, because you are here, but you are still running.
which is fine, you are not faster than Him. Many on this forum know what I am talking about…at one time…we were all running like you. We all have a story.But He loves you nevertheless, like He loves us all. You feel it, but do not want to know it. That is why you come back here, even if you hate all of this.
C
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Jun 27 2006, 02:46 PM)
Welcome back Brian So you did not read through the previous posts.
For a "clever” man, you are showing ignorance in public, where all can see. The before- mentioned numerics were tested at Harvard and found to be true.
But I know you do not care, you just need to get as far away from God as you possibly can, and you are doing it by trying to argue Him out of your mind. That is fine, because you cannot come to Him, if He does not call. I think He is calling you, because you are here, but you are still running. which is fine, you are not faster than Him. Many on this forum know what I am talking about…at one time…we were all running like you. We all have a story.
But He loves you nevertheless, like He loves us all. You feel it, but do not want to know it. That is why you come back here, even if you hate all of this.
C
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So you did not read through the previous posts.For a "clever” man, you are showing ignorance in public, where all can see. The before- mentioned numerics were tested at Harvard and found to be true.
But I know you do not care, you just need to get as far away from God as you possibly can, and you are doing it by trying to argue Him out of your mind. That is fine, because you cannot come to Him, if He does not call. I think He is calling you, because you are here, but you are still running.
which is fine, you are not faster than Him. Many on this forum know what I am talking about…at one time…we were all running like you. We all have a story.But He loves you nevertheless, like He loves us all. You feel it, but do not want to know it. That is why you come back here, even if you hate all of this.
C
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I read through them, I just don't share your conclusion.
Man is intelligent enough to create God yet you think man cannot put a few number games in the Bible?
I also do not hate anything.
Attending an amusing forum is God's way of calling me?
You also have a very strange view of Yahweh, have you read the Bible yet?
Brian.
QUOTE(Miki @ May 24 2006, 06:50 AM)
And then of course there is this one Brian...Nothing supernatural about the Bible!
Wow! Hang around here for a while Brian...Boy have we got some shocking news for you.
The Center of the Bible
"This is pretty strange or odd how it worked out this way. Even if you are not religious, you should read this.
What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117
What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119
Which chapter is in the center of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118
Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.
What is the center verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8
Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?
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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?
2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?
4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?
5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?
6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?
Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8
Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control".
(I guess they even pick this apart...)
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Wow! Hang around here for a while Brian...Boy have we got some shocking news for you.
The Center of the Bible
"This is pretty strange or odd how it worked out this way. Even if you are not religious, you should read this.
What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117
What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119
Which chapter is in the center of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118
Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.
What is the center verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8
Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?
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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?
2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?
4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?
5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?
6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?
Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8
Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control".
(I guess they even pick this apart...)
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I am not easily shocked by the gullibility of literalists, and I am no longer shocked that they really do not study the Bible. For example, Pslam 118 is not the middle chapter of the Bible, Psalm 117 is.
Yet another attempt to make the Bible inot some sort of gimmick fails:
http://www.becksbaptist.org/Stories/Pages_...tml#Truth_Proof
Also, you do know that the Bible was only split into chapters during the 13th century CE by Langton?
Even more absurd is the fact that there are no original texts so we do not know where the middle of the Bible is.
Yet another fact is the existence of mulitple versions of the Bible. What is the middle chapter of the Catholic Bible?
Numbers are fun, we can make them say almost anything.
Brian.
LOL.
Oh man I get tested and tested.
What does Havard mean anyway...aren't those guys just smart people who failed the MIT entrance exams?
Oh man I get tested and tested.
What does Havard mean anyway...aren't those guys just smart people who failed the MIT entrance exams?
QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 27 2006, 10:03 PM)
QUOTE(Miki @ May 24 2006, 06:50 AM)
And then of course there is this one Brian...Nothing supernatural about the Bible!
Wow! Hang around here for a while Brian...Boy have we got some shocking news for you.
The Center of the Bible
"This is pretty strange or odd how it worked out this way. Even if you are not religious, you should read this.
What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117
What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119
Which chapter is in the center of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118
Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.
What is the center verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8
Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?
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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?
2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?
4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?
5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?
6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?
Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8
Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control".
(I guess they even pick this apart...)
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Wow! Hang around here for a while Brian...Boy have we got some shocking news for you.
The Center of the Bible
"This is pretty strange or odd how it worked out this way. Even if you are not religious, you should read this.
What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 117
What is the longest chapter in the Bible?
Answer - Psalm 119
Which chapter is in the center of the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118
Fact: There are 594 chapters before Psalms 118. There are 594 chapters after Psalms 118. Add these numbers up and you get 1188.
What is the center verse in the Bible?
Answer - Psalms 118:8
Does this verse say something significant about God's perfect will for our lives?
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Did you know . . .
1) Psalm 118 is the middle chapter of the entire Bible?
2) Psalm 117, before Psalm 118 is the shortest chapter in the Bible?
3) Psalm 119, after Psalm 118 is the longest chapter in the Bible?
4) The Bible has 594 chapters before Psalm 118 and 594 chapters after Psalm 118?
5) If you add up all the chapters except Psalm 118, you get a total of 1188 chapters?
6) 1188 or Psalm 118 verse 8 is the middle verse of the entire Bible?
Should the central verse not have a fairly important message? "It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man." - Psalm 118:8
Is this central verse not also the central theme of the entire Bible? This is not a coincidence. God is in complete control".
(I guess they even pick this apart...)
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I am not easily shocked by the gullibility of literalists, and I am no longer shocked that they really do not study the Bible. For example, Pslam 118 is not the middle chapter of the Bible, Psalm 117 is.
Yet another attempt to make the Bible inot some sort of gimmick fails:
http://www.becksbaptist.org/Stories/Pages_...tml#Truth_Proof
Also, you do know that the Bible was only split into chapters during the 13th century CE by Langton?
Even more absurd is the fact that there are no original texts so we do not know where the middle of the Bible is.
Yet another fact is the existence of mulitple versions of the Bible. What is the middle chapter of the Catholic Bible?
Numbers are fun, we can make them say almost anything.
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Brian, you are actually very welcome here. You will find that people will react well, if you also keep to being kind and respectful towards them.
I prayed for you this morning and I might be wrong, but I sensed a hurt related to God in your past. You must first let it go, and seek without the anger. If I am right, then this is stopping you as a person from finding that in life which you must.
Forgive me if I am wrong.
Cornelius
Well, if you are truly interested in proving things for yourself, then read about Panin...
here is the link with the full article
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
God is A Mathematician
By Keith Newman.
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.
It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.
Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most reknowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.
Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.
Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.
It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".
Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.
Panin found his proof in the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.
................read the rest in the link
here is the link with the full article
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
God is A Mathematician
By Keith Newman.
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.
It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.
Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most reknowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.
Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.
Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.
It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".
Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.
Panin found his proof in the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.
................read the rest in the link
So the Numeric New Testament is now available , it has been put together using numeric to verify those manuscripts that are original. Only those with the numeric pattern was taken into this Bible.
For those interested, Google Numeric New Testament to see where you can get one.If you cannot get it, ask me, I will help point you to the right person to contact.
love C
For those interested, Google Numeric New Testament to see where you can get one.If you cannot get it, ask me, I will help point you to the right person to contact.
love C
Oh, oh, oh...look into Vernon Jenkins. Now, that guy'll blow your mind. Proves the Pentateuch and the Book of Revelation using the mathematic harmony of thier structures. First guy to ever PROVE the infalliblity of the Bible using something noone can argue with. Numbers.
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Thank goodness we are not held to Jesus' opinions either.
Brian.
Brian.
Now this is funny...your ilk will acknowledge His existence all day long...but not His holiness. I used to find it hysterical...now I just find it sad. Yeshua did not speak in opinions...His word was...and IS gospel.
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QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 27 2006, 01:07 PM)
Thank goodness we are not held to Jesus' opinions either.
Brian.
Brian.
Now this is funny...your ilk will acknowledge His existence all day long...but not His holiness. I used to find it hysterical...now I just find it sad. Yeshua did not speak in opinions...His word was...and IS gospel.
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Who said I acknowledge his existence?
Yes Jesus did not speak in opinions, almost everything he is reported to have said was a lie.
Try looking at the Gospels from an objective stance, you'll see how ridiculous they actually are.
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QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 27 2006, 01:07 PM)
Thank goodness we are not held to Jesus' opinions either.
Brian.
Brian.
Who said I acknowledge his existence?
Yes Jesus did not speak in opinions, almost everything he is reported to have said was a lie.
Try looking at the Gospels from an objective stance, you'll see how ridiculous they actually are.
Erm...yeah. You've acknowledged His existence twice now, which I have emboldened in red. Are you really THAT unaware of your own writings??? Sorry Bri-Bri, but you don't get to talk out of both sides of your mouth here.
As for looking at them "objectively"...I tried that route, when I was quite young. I was mislead that He was not real; that abortion really isn't murder; that women are kept down by men; that a family can function amazigly well with both parents working out of the home...yadda...yadda...yadda. Ad nauseum ad infinitum. And then I grew up.
Again, thank the heavens we are not held to your sorely misguided opinion.
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QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 27 2006, 01:07 PM)
Thank goodness we are not held to Jesus' opinions either.
Brian.
Brian.
Who said I acknowledge his existence?
Yes Jesus did not speak in opinions, almost everything he is reported to have said was a lie.
Try looking at the Gospels from an objective stance, you'll see how ridiculous they actually are.
Erm...yeah. You've acknowledged His existence twice now, which I have emboldened in red. Are you really THAT unaware of your own writings??? Sorry Bri-Bri, but you don't get to talk out of both sides of your mouth here.
As for looking at them "objectively"...I tried that route, when I was quite young. I was mislead that He was not real; that abortion really isn't murder; that women are kept down by men; that a family can function amazigly well with both parents working out of the home...yadda...yadda...yadda. Ad nauseum ad infinitum. And then I grew up.
Again, thank the heavens we are not held to your sorely misguided opinion.
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Well, surely you know there were two Jesus', the historical one and the Jesus of faith, I acknowledge the first one, but the second is a fiction.
Now that you have 'grown up', I suggest you try sturying the Bible again, this time try doing it at a decent academic level rather than the sunday school level you did the first time.
I also find it disturbing that you condemn abortion yet you worship a being who your holy book tells you slaughtered countless innocent Egyptian children. A being who also ordered the slaughter of every living creature in Jericho, but I suppose these eveil deeds are okay because your God is justified.
Enjoy your fantasy.
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Well, surely you know there were two Jesus',
No, I only know of one...and He is who I praise mightily; the One who's every word is my every command; the One whom I look forward to worshiping ever more.
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the historical one and the Jesus of faith, I acknowledge the first one,
Again...I find it hysterical (in a sad, how very pathetic way) that you will acknowledge Him, yet deny everything He is.
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but the second is a fiction.
Pray tell...you can prove this unequivically??! Will be waiting for that proof of yours. (and waiting...and waiting...and WAITING, I suspect.)
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Now that you have 'grown up', I suggest you try sturying the Bible again, this time try doing it at a decent academic level rather than the sunday school level you did the first time.
So, then, by your words here, I can take it that you agree when I was a raging lib, I was greatly childish? That objectivity that you initially suggested I study the bible with, must then also be thus.QUOTE
I also find it disturbing that you condemn abortion
I find it repugnent that of those items I listed, abortion is the one you focused on. Surprised? Hardly.
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yet you worship a being who your holy book tells you slaughtered countless innocent Egyptian children. A being who also ordered the slaughter of every living creature in Jericho, but I suppose these eveil deeds are okay because your God is justified.
Another attempt at comedy?? How very sad that you spout like a fountain, and what you say is so out of context and inaccurate...but somehow, knowing the tactics of those such as you, I do not find it anything out of the ordinary. Same lame attempts...different day.
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Enjoy your fantasy.
Yes, I hope you do...because sooner rather than later, you will be facing a reality you cannot imagine. My prayers are with you.
BTW...I have a serious question. Other than coming here to try and stir the pot (or, is it cauldron?), what do you feel your purpose is here?
Going to bed now. I've tired of reading such boring, typical, canned replies.
Post away to yourself, if you must. I'll no longer be feeding your inner troll. Your time may be of little worth to you, but mine is far more valuable than this; I've wasted enough already.
Never fear, however...I'll be a still be a prayer warrior for you.
BTW...FTR...I know the tactics employed, and while it is common to believe that because I am walking away from this thread, you have somehow triumphed, know that it is pure falacy. In actuality, boring people to tears, is torture. NOT triumph.
*dusting feet*
Post away to yourself, if you must. I'll no longer be feeding your inner troll. Your time may be of little worth to you, but mine is far more valuable than this; I've wasted enough already.
Never fear, however...I'll be a still be a prayer warrior for you.
BTW...FTR...I know the tactics employed, and while it is common to believe that because I am walking away from this thread, you have somehow triumphed, know that it is pure falacy. In actuality, boring people to tears, is torture. NOT triumph.
*dusting feet*
Hi Brian, you know you are welcome, but this is not a forum for you to just vent in
If you have something to say that is not insulting to the members, please stay. We have had satanist members on this forum, that had a lot of grace and they were also treated with respect.
They wanted to know things, they did not come to shout a few words and then disappear. They stayed and talked like adults, without finding the need to insult.
Take this as a friendly warning from my side of the forum
We have a new rule on the forum, for all newbies, they are all moderated in the beginning unto 20 posts. So you will find that your posts from now on will only become visible after moderation. You still have a few more posts to go, until you reach 20.
Cornelius
If you have something to say that is not insulting to the members, please stay. We have had satanist members on this forum, that had a lot of grace and they were also treated with respect.
They wanted to know things, they did not come to shout a few words and then disappear. They stayed and talked like adults, without finding the need to insult.
Take this as a friendly warning from my side of the forum
We have a new rule on the forum, for all newbies, they are all moderated in the beginning unto 20 posts. So you will find that your posts from now on will only become visible after moderation. You still have a few more posts to go, until you reach 20.
Cornelius
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Hi Brian, you know you are welcome, but this is not a forum for you to just vent in
If you have something to say that is not insulting to the members, please stay. We have had satanist members on this forum, that had a lot of grace and they were also treated with respect.
They wanted to know things, they did not come to shout a few words and then disappear. They stayed and talked like adults, without finding the need to insult.
Take this as a friendly warning from my side of the forum
We have a new rule on the forum, for all newbies, they are all moderated in the beginning unto 20 posts. So you will find that your posts from now on will only become visible after moderation. You still have a few more posts to go, until you reach 20.
Cornelius
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If you have something to say that is not insulting to the members, please stay. We have had satanist members on this forum, that had a lot of grace and they were also treated with respect.
They wanted to know things, they did not come to shout a few words and then disappear. They stayed and talked like adults, without finding the need to insult.
Take this as a friendly warning from my side of the forum
We have a new rule on the forum, for all newbies, they are all moderated in the beginning unto 20 posts. So you will find that your posts from now on will only become visible after moderation. You still have a few more posts to go, until you reach 20.
Cornelius
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I think what you need to do is actually examine the posts of your long standing members and find out just how welcome they make a new member feel. Every single post (apart from your own) contained an attempt to ridicule me, yet nothing is said to those members?
This is good in a way because it just reinforces my opinion about a certain type of 'Christian'.
Regarding the 'disappearing', I have email notification on, and everytime I recieve an email about a new mesage I pop over here. However, I havent recieved many emails.
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QUOTE(Cornelius @ Jul 19 2006, 03:24 PM)
Hi Brian, you know you are welcome, but this is not a forum for you to just vent in
If you have something to say that is not insulting to the members, please stay. We have had satanist members on this forum, that had a lot of grace and they were also treated with respect.
They wanted to know things, they did not come to shout a few words and then disappear. They stayed and talked like adults, without finding the need to insult.
Take this as a friendly warning from my side of the forum
We have a new rule on the forum, for all newbies, they are all moderated in the beginning unto 20 posts. So you will find that your posts from now on will only become visible after moderation. You still have a few more posts to go, until you reach 20.
Cornelius
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If you have something to say that is not insulting to the members, please stay. We have had satanist members on this forum, that had a lot of grace and they were also treated with respect.
They wanted to know things, they did not come to shout a few words and then disappear. They stayed and talked like adults, without finding the need to insult.
Take this as a friendly warning from my side of the forum
We have a new rule on the forum, for all newbies, they are all moderated in the beginning unto 20 posts. So you will find that your posts from now on will only become visible after moderation. You still have a few more posts to go, until you reach 20.
Cornelius
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I think what you need to do is actually examine the posts of your long standing members and find out just how welcome they make a new member feel. Every single post (apart from your own) contained an attempt to ridicule me, yet nothing is said to those members?
This is good in a way because it just reinforces my opinion about a certain type of 'Christian'.
Regarding the 'disappearing', I have email notification on, and everytime I recieve an email about a new mesage I pop over here. However, I havent recieved many emails.
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Brian... however trite you think our beliefs are... they are our BELIEFS. We believe that Jesus died for us. We think of Him as our BEST FRIEND.
When you attack this faith we have in our Lord with your words, they are fighting words. To illustrate: How can one be objective about ones own child? How can one be unemotional and purely "scientific" when you are talking about a relationship that is entirely precious to us... I would give my LIFE for my King Jesus.
We do not approach the Bible in so casual a manner as you ("it is just a collection of ancient literature"). While you might not agree with us, please do not insult us or put us down for our lack of "intelligence" because we don't see things the way you do.
You can not complain about the lack of respect you are getting from others when you do not respect what we believe. In fact, you find our beliefs archaic and unintellectual, and you find us "gullable" for believing in such nonsense (your first post was purely prideful and severely pointing out the unresearched error of our ways: "zero out of ten is an ameteur effort"). This is the attitude I picked up from you after reading your posts. I know others felt the same way.
And PLEASE do not group me with Christians who are unloving and disrespectful. That breaks my heart.
I will not attempt to "prove" the validity of the Bible to you because you have already formed an opinion and would certainly dismiss anything that I have to say anyway. I promise that I will pray for you and pray for your healing (as Cornelius, I believe, rightly discerned that you are in need of).
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(your first post was purely prideful and severely pointing out the unresearched error of our ways: "zero out of ten is an ameteur effort").
The amateur comment was about the page that claimed there are only 7 OT prophets mentioned in the NT, I pointed out that this is untrue, there was no comment about the member who posted the link.
Then we had the guy who was under the illusion that a certain psalm was centre of the Bible, I pointed out that this was incorrect as well, but where is the thanks or acknowledgement form the member whom I corrected?
Anyway, it doesn't matter, there are many other forums on the Net.
I'll leave you with that.
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(your first post was purely prideful and severely pointing out the unresearched error of our ways: "zero out of ten is an ameteur effort").
The amateur comment was about the page that claimed there are only 7 OT prophets mentioned in the NT, I pointed out that this is untrue, there was no comment about the member who posted the link.
Then we had the guy who was under the illusion that a certain psalm was centre of the Bible, I pointed out that this was incorrect as well, but where is the thanks or acknowledgement form the member whom I corrected?
Anyway, it doesn't matter, there are many other forums on the Net.
I'll leave you with that.
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I see that you enjoy being right instead of being kind. Don't blow out someone else's candle to make yours burn brighter.
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QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 21 2006, 02:43 AM)
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(your first post was purely prideful and severely pointing out the unresearched error of our ways: "zero out of ten is an ameteur effort").
The amateur comment was about the page that claimed there are only 7 OT prophets mentioned in the NT, I pointed out that this is untrue, there was no comment about the member who posted the link.
Then we had the guy who was under the illusion that a certain psalm was centre of the Bible, I pointed out that this was incorrect as well, but where is the thanks or acknowledgement form the member whom I corrected?
Anyway, it doesn't matter, there are many other forums on the Net.
I'll leave you with that.
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I see that you enjoy being right instead of being kind. Don't blow out someone else's candle to make yours burn brighter.
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It's nothing to do with 'enjoying' being correct, it is to do with researching a topic properly and educating yourself. I thought it very strange that someone was claiming only 7 prophets were mentioned in the NT, I knew for fact there are more than that mentioned, so why not point it out?
Regarding the 'middle of the Bible' reference, it immediately reeked of 'gimmick', and just like every other 'gimmick' that 'proves' the Bible is the inerrant word of God, it too is an inaccurate claim. So, what am I supposed to do, allow the guy that posted the incorrect information to repeat it on another website or to go through his life with this false information?
I thought this was a discussion forum where the validity of arguments are debated and tested?
Brian.
Okay, Brian.
I know some groups believe that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible,but there is no indication in the Bible that he actually did. Also, as these books have clearly been written by more than one person, are rife with anachornisms, and mention events after Moses' death, Mosaic authorship is very doubtful
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Brian, Moses did not write the first five books of the bible. He oversaw the scribes as they scrambled to put the pieces back together of the Torah that he threw down at the base of Mt. Sinai because Aaron had made the golden calf. The original first five books were written by th 'finger of God.'
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Brian, Moses did not write the first five books of the bible. He oversaw the scribes as they scrambled to put the pieces back together of the Torah that he threw down at the base of Mt. Sinai because Aaron had made the golden calf. The original first five books were written by th 'finger of God.'
David is credited with writing many psalms, but there really is no hard evidence that he did.
President Bush will be credited with the operations of this government now in the future even though it is Condolezza Rice who is the mouthpiece.
Now the Middle East, esp. Israel, will credit Bush for what Condoleeeza says even though he probably did not say it.
When you work for a business, the business is credited for what you do even though the business did not do it, but you receive payment for it.
David was the King. Everything done in his kingdom is credited to David. Some of those Psalms were probably written down by his mistresses as he rested after a cigarette and dinner.
The bible is full to overflowing with lawless individuals and we keep reading their works. Why? Because they are true? Of course they are!
President Bush will be credited with the operations of this government now in the future even though it is Condolezza Rice who is the mouthpiece.
Now the Middle East, esp. Israel, will credit Bush for what Condoleeeza says even though he probably did not say it.
When you work for a business, the business is credited for what you do even though the business did not do it, but you receive payment for it.
David was the King. Everything done in his kingdom is credited to David. Some of those Psalms were probably written down by his mistresses as he rested after a cigarette and dinner.
The bible is full to overflowing with lawless individuals and we keep reading their works. Why? Because they are true? Of course they are!
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Just to wet your appetite, you can read the rest here:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
Hi C,
Thank you for sharing this...
love letters and numbers...God speaks
Blessings,
Signet
There are factual contradictions in the bible. Therefore: is the numerical play more important than the literal reading of the bible?
Is it depending on understanding the text if you release a number play on it when you write down the Bible?
To me, "pattern" isn't the right word here for what has been discovered so far. It all comes down to "all counting results are divisible by 7". And that this may have a "much lower chance than you'd statistically expect".
Some questions:
- If God has been quoted literally sometimes, would it have to fit all utterings by God Himself?
- I wonder why it fits pre-Hebrew, Hebrew and Greek at once, and can only be noticed by christians (the canonical books) while most of the texts have been from Judaism. It clearly does not depend on the holiness of the message of a text if the Harvard scientists have trouble doing the same thing in English and therefore I think it's likely that it is a human thing. If Judaic, it could have fit as well then for a time when there were let's say only 3 or 4 holy scriptures instead of all canonical books. Otherwise they would have had a lot of patience.
- The trick technique does not depend on understanding the message of the text or caring about its factual truth. There are factual or literal contradicions such as the pedigrees of Jesus, the circumstances of the death of king Saul. The more numerically it would fit, the less the literal message seems important above a numerical harmony. Makes me think it was a human effort in how it was written down, going for an idea of harmony how it made up in physical texts, going for a numerical harmony thought to reflect the divine.
- If a name is subject to (changes in) identity (Abram/Abraham, Jacob/Israel) what criterium has been used for what is a different name? Is Abram and Abraham one and the same as seen from the one bearing it, or is the difference of name the criterium? One would have a reason to speculate that there was a biased choice if one of those criteria would not fit.
- I have no proof that a word play says anything about the content of the message and understanding it. Could still have been a human way of sense of harmony.
- When is something a pattern? What is seen so far is something that is humanly noticeable and may have been artificially invented by humans, without seeing anything of a highly intelligent concept behind it that would baffle me in a certain way. It's primary school calculus and a lot really a lot of patience that the one had who came up with this. Must have cost him a lot of social opportunities in his life.
- And last but not least, may I notice that this way of approach doesn't differ that much from astrology, numerology and trying to know what Nostradamus really said? Glad that it's not the only necessary way for it more often leads to more wonderments than that it solves questions.
Greets, Divinespark.
Is it depending on understanding the text if you release a number play on it when you write down the Bible?
To me, "pattern" isn't the right word here for what has been discovered so far. It all comes down to "all counting results are divisible by 7". And that this may have a "much lower chance than you'd statistically expect".
Some questions:
- If God has been quoted literally sometimes, would it have to fit all utterings by God Himself?
- I wonder why it fits pre-Hebrew, Hebrew and Greek at once, and can only be noticed by christians (the canonical books) while most of the texts have been from Judaism. It clearly does not depend on the holiness of the message of a text if the Harvard scientists have trouble doing the same thing in English and therefore I think it's likely that it is a human thing. If Judaic, it could have fit as well then for a time when there were let's say only 3 or 4 holy scriptures instead of all canonical books. Otherwise they would have had a lot of patience.
- The trick technique does not depend on understanding the message of the text or caring about its factual truth. There are factual or literal contradicions such as the pedigrees of Jesus, the circumstances of the death of king Saul. The more numerically it would fit, the less the literal message seems important above a numerical harmony. Makes me think it was a human effort in how it was written down, going for an idea of harmony how it made up in physical texts, going for a numerical harmony thought to reflect the divine.
- If a name is subject to (changes in) identity (Abram/Abraham, Jacob/Israel) what criterium has been used for what is a different name? Is Abram and Abraham one and the same as seen from the one bearing it, or is the difference of name the criterium? One would have a reason to speculate that there was a biased choice if one of those criteria would not fit.
- I have no proof that a word play says anything about the content of the message and understanding it. Could still have been a human way of sense of harmony.
- When is something a pattern? What is seen so far is something that is humanly noticeable and may have been artificially invented by humans, without seeing anything of a highly intelligent concept behind it that would baffle me in a certain way. It's primary school calculus and a lot really a lot of patience that the one had who came up with this. Must have cost him a lot of social opportunities in his life.
- And last but not least, may I notice that this way of approach doesn't differ that much from astrology, numerology and trying to know what Nostradamus really said? Glad that it's not the only necessary way for it more often leads to more wonderments than that it solves questions.
Greets, Divinespark.
Pretty awesome material here. I knew about biblical numerology but was just scratching the surface.
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I wonder if I can find that in the Bible?
The Bible should be appreciated for what it is, a wonderful collection of ancient literature. There is nothing supernatural about it.
Brian.
The Bible should be appreciated for what it is, a wonderful collection of ancient literature. There is nothing supernatural about it.
Brian.
With all of the current debates about global warming, and it's
implications to world. Some Christian's are referring to the
phenomenon as one of the last plaques. Because the Bible is
an intricate detailed work of God's creation, I am compelled
to believe the following:
2 Pet 3:8
But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with
the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Ps 139:5
Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the
heaveans shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall
melt with feverant heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
Rev 15 1:2
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven
angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the
wrath of God.
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that
had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and
over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the
sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Since a moment in time is like a thousand years to the Lord.
And no one can say to a certainty how God's plan has evolved;
Could God's ministry be infinate? Has it ministered against evil from the beginning, not allowing evil to take full root?
And has that manifested itself through God's word, still being praised today?
Is God's love in intercession? Allowing mankind to remember, consider
and glorify His word.
The debate about global warming is emphasized by facts:
SPACE.com -- Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles ScientistsPluto's
atmospheric pressure has tripled over the past 14 years,
indicating a stark temperature rise, the researchers said.
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming,
Scientist SaysSimultaneous warming on Earth and Mars
suggests that our planet's recent ... that the current
global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.
Sun Responsible for Global WarmingTwo new reports cast
doubt on the manmade global warming theory and instead point
to another cause for the recent warming of Earth changes in the sun.
Cause for Global Warming/Hole in Ozone LayerIncreasing
the amount of C02 in the atmosphere will increase the amount
of reflected energy capture and lead to a temperature increase.
Has the bible described these events?
While pondering the question of the universe, man's existence, technology, global warming,
and development; I took the Faith vs. Science road. Along my journey I understood:
They are one in the same.
As we try and fail to keep up with the universe, we are reminded that the creator is infinate.
How do we try to keep up with the creator? : Science.
Man has made great strides in attempting to match God's will and keep up with the universe.
Then what is taking the next step? Utilizing existing technology and expanding infrastructure.
What do you do if you have five months of existence left on earth?
Will you be ready to defend your planet from an apocalyptic disaster?
Those are the questions of the future. Which deem the final question:
Who will have the last word Man or the Universe? And if man has the answers,
isn't that what God always wanted for man from the beginning?
1 Tim 6:20-21
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain
babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
1 Tim 4:6, 4-8-9
If thou put the brethren in remeberence of these things, thou shalt be a good minister
of Jesus Christ, nourshing up the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou
hast attained.
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having
promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
I have been reading the bible for most of my life. I find comfort and
guidance through many verses, and scriptures. I have written a new
Christian Science Fiction novel. The book should be available within the
next few months. The name of the book is: called Moon Over Key Biscayne.
Many scriptures are incorporated within the book, which takes a look a the
world as it is faced of an apocalypitic challenge. I read the Left Behind Series,
as well as many other novels with a Christian influence. I attempted to
incorporate Christian writing with the struggles and challenges that
people encounter in their lives, as it relates to the world today.
Everlasting
Bible Inspired Author
Moon Over Key Biscayne
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Years ago, there was a science program on Public TV, and I think the host scientist was Sagen, Carl Sagen, but I'm not 100% sure. Whoever it was, seemed intent on proving evolution and continued to try and disprove The Bible.
During one show, however, he showed a graphic chart of the smallest particle known to man, and explained that it was made up of 7 parts. To all who know anything about this number and the way it is used in the Bible, he just confirmed The Creation and the validity of the New Testament references to "things that are unseen".
During one show, however, he showed a graphic chart of the smallest particle known to man, and explained that it was made up of 7 parts. To all who know anything about this number and the way it is used in the Bible, he just confirmed The Creation and the validity of the New Testament references to "things that are unseen".
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