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I always wondered if the Ezekiel 38 war would be the thing that would cause the one who would sign the 7 year agreement to come to the fore front. One or two bombs on the coast of the US as a crippling terrorist attack. Then the Russian and the Arab states against Israel. The Rapture in the midst of all this. Christians now out of the way and the antichrist appears to bring order. Signs the agreement. Rapture would be sketchy because of communication breakdown due to the war. Unless you saw someone go (Elisha) you could easily rationalize missing people. So many would be missing anyway from destruction that took place. Will the Elisha's have a double portion anointing?
I am not sure how many Armageddon like events will occur before the final Armageddon. But I know that we must be ready to meet Him at His coming.
Good Questions Miki......
I am not sure if you know this , so I will just share. The Jewish people expect this prophetic war of Ezekiel 38 to occur durring the Sukkot celebration (Feast of Tabernacles) This is the time of year that they read this portion of scripture. This HOliday occurs next starting on October 1, 2004 - October 8, 2004
Something I find very interesting, and don't totally understand yet is that in Isaiah 30: 28-29 it talks about God placing in the jaws of the people (Assyrian) a bit that leads them astray..... same thing, in my oppinion as putting a hook in their mouth as stated in Ezekiel 38........ v. 29 And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival .
So the timing might be accurate.
The thing that really "weirds me out" is that the chess pieces , so to speak, seem to be moving into position too quickly. I am just glad that God is in Control. Amen.
Your sis,
MIche
I am not sure if you know this , so I will just share. The Jewish people expect this prophetic war of Ezekiel 38 to occur durring the Sukkot celebration (Feast of Tabernacles) This is the time of year that they read this portion of scripture. This HOliday occurs next starting on October 1, 2004 - October 8, 2004
Something I find very interesting, and don't totally understand yet is that in Isaiah 30: 28-29 it talks about God placing in the jaws of the people (Assyrian) a bit that leads them astray..... same thing, in my oppinion as putting a hook in their mouth as stated in Ezekiel 38........ v. 29 And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival .
So the timing might be accurate.
The thing that really "weirds me out" is that the chess pieces , so to speak, seem to be moving into position too quickly. I am just glad that God is in Control. Amen.
Your sis,
MIche
What I've found "Unison on the Net" since the invasion of the USA in Iraq is that there is an answer to your question via Daniel, Ezechiel 38 into Revelation:
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.
Rev 13:4 [...] and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Now unto the Beast- Babylon connection :
In the book of Revelation sits on this beast a woman :
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
More info on this babylon thing :
http://members.surfeu.fi/archives5/BABYLON%20FOUR.htm
This 'harlot' as she is called will suffer greatly :
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
The $1M dollar question right now is what are the events that precede/cause this, what will happen during and even after this event....
Fact is that :
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore , and shall make her desolate and naked , and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Well, everyone and their aunt has heard that the 10 kings have time-and-again been identified as re-unified "Europe" , I do not fully agree with that, yet the identification of the whore as the USA sheds new light into the World-US relationship of the end of the end-time....
Anyway: the reason that "the 10" hate the whore should be caused by great conflicts in and around Israel, as the bible is talks about that on several places.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Even unto the end the USA will apparently support the Israeli cause in some shape or form.... The sign of that day will be there when the whole world will turn against Israel and the USA. So when some nations plan a covert, yet destructive, attack the USA is also a major target instead of Israel only.
Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, [thou that art] given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me; I shall not sit [as] a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
North Korea is now able to launch a missile that can reach the west-coast of the US; Terrorists that do drug transports can still reach the ports of mayor USA cities with quantities of drugs measured in tonnes; and not one suitcase nuke among them yet ?
The current situation with Israel only needs to escalate, run out of time, and BANG the US is gone
At that day the 70th week of Daniel will start, the Rapture occurs and the most difficult time the Jews ever had will have started. Only one third of those who are in the Land at the start of those days will survive it to see the Lord come back to rule this planet, and defeat the AC.
In the fashion of matthew 24; first the rapture and then shortly after that "the attack on America" (I can almost see the CNN headlines already...)
Also in the fashion of 2Tess "as they say peace, peace and there is no peace"
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.
Rev 13:4 [...] and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Now unto the Beast- Babylon connection :
In the book of Revelation sits on this beast a woman :
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
More info on this babylon thing :
http://members.surfeu.fi/archives5/BABYLON%20FOUR.htm
This 'harlot' as she is called will suffer greatly :
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
The $1M dollar question right now is what are the events that precede/cause this, what will happen during and even after this event....
Fact is that :
Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore , and shall make her desolate and naked , and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
Well, everyone and their aunt has heard that the 10 kings have time-and-again been identified as re-unified "Europe" , I do not fully agree with that, yet the identification of the whore as the USA sheds new light into the World-US relationship of the end of the end-time....
Anyway: the reason that "the 10" hate the whore should be caused by great conflicts in and around Israel, as the bible is talks about that on several places.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Even unto the end the USA will apparently support the Israeli cause in some shape or form.... The sign of that day will be there when the whole world will turn against Israel and the USA. So when some nations plan a covert, yet destructive, attack the USA is also a major target instead of Israel only.
Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, [thou that art] given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me; I shall not sit [as] a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
North Korea is now able to launch a missile that can reach the west-coast of the US; Terrorists that do drug transports can still reach the ports of mayor USA cities with quantities of drugs measured in tonnes; and not one suitcase nuke among them yet ?
The current situation with Israel only needs to escalate, run out of time, and BANG the US is gone
At that day the 70th week of Daniel will start, the Rapture occurs and the most difficult time the Jews ever had will have started. Only one third of those who are in the Land at the start of those days will survive it to see the Lord come back to rule this planet, and defeat the AC.
In the fashion of matthew 24; first the rapture and then shortly after that "the attack on America" (I can almost see the CNN headlines already...)
Also in the fashion of 2Tess "as they say peace, peace and there is no peace"
Could Armageddon be a gradually escalating seven year campaign?
Miche, I guess l always thought the hook in the jaw was Russia? We know the Arab states are against Israel but Russia gets dragged in?
Twobombs, "North Korea is now able to launch a missile that can reach the west-coast of the US; Terrorists that do drug transports can still reach the ports of major USA cities with quantities of drugs measured in tons; and not one suitcase nuke among them yet ?"
I see the above as a threat as well.
Thanks for your input.
Miche, I guess l always thought the hook in the jaw was Russia? We know the Arab states are against Israel but Russia gets dragged in?
Twobombs, "North Korea is now able to launch a missile that can reach the west-coast of the US; Terrorists that do drug transports can still reach the ports of major USA cities with quantities of drugs measured in tons; and not one suitcase nuke among them yet ?"
I see the above as a threat as well.
Thanks for your input.
Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, [thou that art] given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me; I shall not sit [as] a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
This doesn't sound like the USA. Our children always go!
This doesn't sound like the USA. Our children always go!
go where ?
To war.
I'm not anxious for judgement. It's a great sadness.
Try to look at the good things about America too.
I'm not anxious for judgement. It's a great sadness.
Try to look at the good things about America too.
I totally disagree with America being Babylon. If you look at ancient maps of the Babylonian empire..... America was not on them.
lets take a different look at REvelation 17
Yes Babylon (the harlot) sits on the beast with seven heads........ look at verse 9
The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.......
Go to Ezekiel 38 and count the number of nations that are "with" Magog....... There are seven. The harlot is Babylon and Babylon is Magog..... Why do I believe this?????
Magog also known as Rosh........(ie.... many different commentaries and studies)
Rosh in Hebrew means head (as in Rosh Hashanna = head of the year)
Now take a look at the statue in Daniel 2
Who was the head?
BABYLON!
Now..... if Magog is Babylon how can America be also? REmember America is mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as one of the villages of Tarshish.
Does this make sence?
Miche
lets take a different look at REvelation 17
Yes Babylon (the harlot) sits on the beast with seven heads........ look at verse 9
The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.......
Go to Ezekiel 38 and count the number of nations that are "with" Magog....... There are seven. The harlot is Babylon and Babylon is Magog..... Why do I believe this?????
Magog also known as Rosh........(ie.... many different commentaries and studies)
Rosh in Hebrew means head (as in Rosh Hashanna = head of the year)
Now take a look at the statue in Daniel 2
Who was the head?
BABYLON!
Now..... if Magog is Babylon how can America be also? REmember America is mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as one of the villages of Tarshish.
Does this make sence?
Miche
Makes sense to me. Doesn't mean we won't be judged though. The hook might be oil in Israel. Something yet to come?
interesting concept about the oil being the hook......
I agree with you about America being judged.......
see Isaiah 23:10
Miche
I agree with you about America being judged.......
see Isaiah 23:10
Miche
Interesting stuff!
very interesting . someone should synthesize the points put forward into a coherent whole . ( cough cough shekel) .
The Bible describes Prophetic Babylon - the eleventh horn (i.e., the "younger" horn) - as follows [and here we only use descriptions of Prophetic Babylon that are generally recognized as such by "mainline" evangelicals):
She dwells in the midst of many waters - she is protected by the waters [or oceans] which surround her [literally, she is said to dwell "in the heart of the seas" - Pember, Earth's Earliest Ages, pg. 46). Indeed, Antichrist is pictured by Ezekiel as exulting in the strength of his sea-girt nation, and likening himself, in proud reliance upon his inaccessible dwelling, to the God that sitteth above the heavens [Ezekiel 28:1-2; Jeremiah 51:13).
Her People are a mingled people - that is to say, a "melting pot." (Jeremiah 50:37).
She evidently has never known the heel of a conqueror and is exceedingly powerful militarily (Revelation 18:4-5 - implied, Jer. 50:23).
The nations of the earth are dominated by her (Rev. 18:9); she is an arrogant, proud, and haughty nation (Jer. 50:23).
She is the greatest economic power in the world, a power so great that the nations of the earth are able to grow rich if they can trade with her or are allowed access to her domestic markets in which to sell their goods (Revelation 18:3, 11, 12).
By means of her economic power [covetousness] she controls the world; gluttony reigns as the people (or the elites which control this nation) live sumptuously [but want more - their appetite never satisfied], while many in the world starve (Jeremiah 50:38; 51:12-13).
Her people do not know the bitterness of poverty and live in great wealth (Revelation 18:7).
The nations of the earth must trade with her by sea (a confirmation of #1 above - Revelation 18:19, 23).
The people of Babylon are exceedingly materialistic and are madly in love with their worldly possessions which have become their idols (Jeremiah 50:38); her tastes are extravagant (Rev. 18:14); she is a nation of great material attainments; and her achievements in the "fine arts" [i.e., music, dance, literature, films, etc.] are renowned throughout the world and copied everywhere (implied - Rev. 18:22; Jer. 51:53).
Babylon is described as a vast latter-day nation, not as a single city (Jeremiah 50:51). In fact, she is a nation of MANY influential cities (Rev. 18:18). In this connection, it is necessary to note that we are here talking not of mere city to be rebuilt on the site of Ancient Babylon; such a concept is in conflict with Isa. 13:19-22 - please see the note on page 1347 of the Scofield Reference Bible.
Babylon is described as a nation which at one time was a God-fearing nation [a "Golden Cup" in the Lord's hand], but a nation which left God and fell into degradation and then which intoxicated the rest of the world with her iniquity. (Jer. 51:7).
Finally, she is a nation that "has reached for the stars [heavens]" - i.e., space (Jer. 51:53).
She dwells in the midst of many waters - she is protected by the waters [or oceans] which surround her [literally, she is said to dwell "in the heart of the seas" - Pember, Earth's Earliest Ages, pg. 46). Indeed, Antichrist is pictured by Ezekiel as exulting in the strength of his sea-girt nation, and likening himself, in proud reliance upon his inaccessible dwelling, to the God that sitteth above the heavens [Ezekiel 28:1-2; Jeremiah 51:13).
Her People are a mingled people - that is to say, a "melting pot." (Jeremiah 50:37).
She evidently has never known the heel of a conqueror and is exceedingly powerful militarily (Revelation 18:4-5 - implied, Jer. 50:23).
The nations of the earth are dominated by her (Rev. 18:9); she is an arrogant, proud, and haughty nation (Jer. 50:23).
She is the greatest economic power in the world, a power so great that the nations of the earth are able to grow rich if they can trade with her or are allowed access to her domestic markets in which to sell their goods (Revelation 18:3, 11, 12).
By means of her economic power [covetousness] she controls the world; gluttony reigns as the people (or the elites which control this nation) live sumptuously [but want more - their appetite never satisfied], while many in the world starve (Jeremiah 50:38; 51:12-13).
Her people do not know the bitterness of poverty and live in great wealth (Revelation 18:7).
The nations of the earth must trade with her by sea (a confirmation of #1 above - Revelation 18:19, 23).
The people of Babylon are exceedingly materialistic and are madly in love with their worldly possessions which have become their idols (Jeremiah 50:38); her tastes are extravagant (Rev. 18:14); she is a nation of great material attainments; and her achievements in the "fine arts" [i.e., music, dance, literature, films, etc.] are renowned throughout the world and copied everywhere (implied - Rev. 18:22; Jer. 51:53).
Babylon is described as a vast latter-day nation, not as a single city (Jeremiah 50:51). In fact, she is a nation of MANY influential cities (Rev. 18:18). In this connection, it is necessary to note that we are here talking not of mere city to be rebuilt on the site of Ancient Babylon; such a concept is in conflict with Isa. 13:19-22 - please see the note on page 1347 of the Scofield Reference Bible.
Babylon is described as a nation which at one time was a God-fearing nation [a "Golden Cup" in the Lord's hand], but a nation which left God and fell into degradation and then which intoxicated the rest of the world with her iniquity. (Jer. 51:7).
Finally, she is a nation that "has reached for the stars [heavens]" - i.e., space (Jer. 51:53).
oops. The above post is mine and is not my work. It was taken from....http://www.antipasministries.com/antipas/ant_chp14.html
Pretty alarming isn't it....
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 6 2003, 09:17 AM)
I always wondered if the Ezekiel 38 war would be the thing that would cause the one who would sign the 7 year agreement to come to the fore front. One or two bombs on the coast of the US as a crippling terrorist attack. Then the Russian and the Arab states against Israel. The Rapture in the midst of all this. Christians now out of the way and the antichrist appears to bring order. Signs the agreement. Rapture would be sketchy because of communication breakdown due to the war. Unless you saw someone go (Elisha) you could easily rationalize missing people. So many would be missing anyway from destruction that took place. Will the Elisha's have a double portion anointing?
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the gog/magog war IS the final war..
It is IMPOSSIBLE< let me repeat, it is IMPOSSIBLE that this war happens at any time prior to this and let me explain why.
Ezekiel 38 and 39 speak of the same war...
In Ezekiel 39, it speaks that immediately following this war, the Lord will be known thru the whole world. This is an impossibility if it occurs 7 years prior to.
Aditionally, with all the wars going on, (as you would say as a pre-tribber) for 7 years.. why would ANYONE use al the military gear and supplies for anything but war and to defend themselve sfrom obvious continued wars to come. Why wold they use the fuel for anything but what it is suppossed to be used for, (military) if there are still wars going on thru the tribulation?
See the issues here?
ALL THe things it speaks of, in conclusion in Ezekiel 39 refer to nothing short of the Lord's coming...
compare REvelation and the supper of our God to Ezekiel 39 and gog/magog:
Ezekiel 39:
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17: And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18: Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19: And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20: Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
REvelation 19:
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17: And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18: That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19: And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Also, Ezekiel 39:
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21: And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
22: So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
hwo can this happen if the pretribbers say the 144K are still to be sealed.. at the end of THIS war, the house of israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from when?
THAT DAY FORWARD..
WE kow that at ARmegeddon, they look upon whom they pierced. Obviously, they didn't know....
Ezekiel 39:
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9: And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
why wold they continue to burn weapons for 7 years if they end up in war soon afterwards again sa per the pretribbers position? SEE how this scenario does not fit?
The reality of this all is that much of the latter chapters of Ezekiel wee promises made... In reality, this wsa suppossed to happen in the first century but because of continued transgressions and unfaithfulness, they lost the blessing and RATHER than her enemies being destroyed, she was instead, exiled.. She was surrounded in JErusalem, (by the Romans) and God allowed her destruction....
God said "ig youwill be my people, I will be our God".....
The promise wsa to the generation of the first century, not ours. But what happened was something interesting...
God had said elsewhere that if israel did not do waht they were suppossed to do, he would not destroy their enemies, rather, the curse wold go to them instead.. (just the opposite).... But somethign happened..
it is called the cross of Christ.. Judgement had come to the world in Christ's day.. it wsa the "latter days"
Peter speaks of this in ACTS....
But because of the Love God has for us, Chrsit died for us.. establishing the day of atonement from the cross... The high priest of yom kippur went into the heavenly temple and from there, applied the blood tot he mercy seat adn continues to interceed with His blood... While he is there, judgement is withheld from the world.. Thus, for two days, Christ has ruled and the cross the atonement that interceeds for the world while the lost sheep and those with them are collected out, (these are the 13 fish out of the sea of Babylon)...
ONCE this is done with and the last fish caught, last sheep brought in, the world evangelized, then judgement is no longer withheld, Chrsit took all that is his fathers out, all that remaines outside is whoremongers, idolaters, etc.....
REvelation 21:
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8: But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
all tha ths of God has been removed and all tha is OF GOD partakes of the new jerusalem.. the bride allogorically seen as a city.... she has made herself ready.. "complete"....
Then Chrsit returns with judgement toward the ungodily..
ONCE the high priest of Yom Kippur leaves the holy of holies, there is NO MORE SACRIFICE left, NONE for sin.. the temple is cleansed, the sins that were applied to the altar by vertue of Chrsit's intercessory role, ar ethen taken from thre and placed on the head of the author of all sin and lies, SATAN....
this is where he is thrown in the lake of fire..
the gog/magog war is seen as the final war in REvelation. Satan has been loosed once again and it is only in the past 100 years, that the world govrments no longer bend a knee to Christ, they are slowly denying Chrsit...
WE had communism born, we had world war 1 and 2, and many other wars one after the other, we have europe, America and the rest of the world deny God cuz of seperation of church and state.... and this lie has caused abortion, gay marriage and other depravities, such as we see in REvelation 21...
Carmine
Hi Carmine,
I'm just speculating like everybody else. Here's a thought though. Could the Ez. 38 war be a seven year campaign?....
I got this in email this morning along with your reply:
The Battle of Ezekiel 38-39 ... Part 1 - Jack Kelley - www.gracethrufaith.com
There are quiet and tentative whisperings about a secret plan between the US, Egypt, Syria and possibly Iran to achieve an end to the infiltration of terrorist fighters from Syria into Iraq that could also result in the announcement of a 12 month cease fire between Israel and the Palestinians (to facilitate Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip) as early as late October. This plan, being championed by Egyptian President Mubarak, would also permit the US and Syria to decide the ultimate disposition of the Golan Heights without Israel's direct involvement.
On paper it sounds great. Israel and the Palestinians get an end to their hostilities along with a peaceful disengagement from the Gaza Strip, Syria gets to settle the Golan question, the US gets a halt to the unfettered movement of foreign combatants into Iraq, and Iran gets some of the opposition to its nuclear program removed. Of a personal nature, Arafat gets to see the end of a generation long feud with the Assad family, President Bush gets to announce the cease fire a week or so before the election, and Mubarak gets the much needed endorsement of the US government for naming his son Jimmy as his successor. Seems like everybody wins.
Please understand that there's a small mountain of details that have to be resolved first and so this plan may never see fruition. But if it does succeed, we will suddenly see a major shift toward the circumstances set forth in Ezekiel 38 for a Moslem invasion of Israel.
Just as no one could have predicted the speed with which the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed, this dramatic change in the Middle East situation, if it comes to pass, will also take the world by surprise. Never in their fifty year history has Israel seen even one day of official peace, and so prophecy students have wondered long and loud about how this war torn country could ever be persuaded to believe that they're at peace with their neighbors, a clear pre-condition for Ezekiel's prophecy. A legitimate cease-fire with the Palestinians, peaceful evacuation of the Gaza Strip, and resolution of the Golan Heights dispute with Syria could suddenly change all that.
What Time Is It?
First of all, lets' get some kind of time frame started. Falling between Israel's modern re-birth, prophesied in Ezekiel 36-37, and the Millennium to which Ezekiel devotes chapters 40-48, means that the battle of chapters 38-39 has to take place after 1948 but before the 2nd coming, and all agree it hasn't happened yet. This has led some to see the passage as a description of Armageddon, but as we'll see there are many prominent nations missing from this battle whereas Zechariah 14:2 prophecies that every nation will join the battle on that day. If so, the time frame narrows to sometime between 1948 and the beginning of the Great Tribulation, when no place in the world will be at peace, especially Israel.
Ezekiel prophesied that the Lord would use this battle to turn Israel back to Him and to complete the return of Jews from all over the world to Israel, not leaving any behind. This leads us to believe that the battle of Ezekiel 38-39 is the event that re-starts the clock on the 490-year period of time spoken of by Daniel, the famous 70 weeks of Daniel 9. 69 of those weeks (483 years) had come when the Messiah was crucified and the Temple destroyed, stopping the clock one week (seven years) short of fulfillment. I believe the dramatic victory the Lord wins over Israel's enemies in this battle convinces them to officially re-instate their Old Covenant relationship and demand a Temple for worship. It's this Temple that's later desecrated by the antichrist, kicking off the Great Tribulation.
With all this in mind, let's begin a careful study of Ezekiel 38-39, to prepare us for these events should they become reality soon.
The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army-your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops-the many nations with you. (Ezek. 38:1-6)
In a recent article, Finding Gog , I made the claim that Gog is a supernatural figure (perhaps Satan's counterpart to the Archangel Michael) and the behind the scenes commander of this event, while Magog is listed in Genesis 10 as one of Noah's grandsons, a son of Japeth. Over 130 historical references demonstrate that Magog is the father of today's Russian people. (For a more detailed treatment on the modern names of all the nations mentioned in this passage, read the related article I've included below.)
In our Mid East Prophecy Update Sept 2004 I also explained that the "hooks in the jaw" phrase indicates Russia's reluctance to participate, and that the treaty Russia has with the Central Asian Republics may be invoked to assure that God's will is done and Russia is involved. Persia is the ancient name for Iran, Cush and Put represent the North African nations, Gomer was Magog's brother and settled along the Danube River in what would become Eastern Europe, and Togarmah, a son of Gomer's, inhabited what's now known as Armenia and Turkey. The characteristic all these nations have in common is their religion, they're all Moslem.
"Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land. (Ezek. 38:7-9)
The fact that Israel is the target in this passage is self evident, but a controversy rages around the Heberew word betach translated "in safety" in verse 8. A secondary meaning, "carelessly" could mean that they're not really safe but just think they are and so their guard is down. It would take a truly miraculous change in Israel's current situation to achieve either of the conditions this word implies. As far as I know, the prospective agreement I revealed above is only being reported in mid-east intelligence services, but its progress certainly bears watching as it could be just the miraculous change that's needed. If it comes to pass, it would mark the first time in modern Israel's 50-year history that it's enjoyed even one day of official peace with it's neighbors.
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I'm just speculating like everybody else. Here's a thought though. Could the Ez. 38 war be a seven year campaign?....
I got this in email this morning along with your reply:
The Battle of Ezekiel 38-39 ... Part 1 - Jack Kelley - www.gracethrufaith.com
There are quiet and tentative whisperings about a secret plan between the US, Egypt, Syria and possibly Iran to achieve an end to the infiltration of terrorist fighters from Syria into Iraq that could also result in the announcement of a 12 month cease fire between Israel and the Palestinians (to facilitate Israel's disengagement from the Gaza Strip) as early as late October. This plan, being championed by Egyptian President Mubarak, would also permit the US and Syria to decide the ultimate disposition of the Golan Heights without Israel's direct involvement.
On paper it sounds great. Israel and the Palestinians get an end to their hostilities along with a peaceful disengagement from the Gaza Strip, Syria gets to settle the Golan question, the US gets a halt to the unfettered movement of foreign combatants into Iraq, and Iran gets some of the opposition to its nuclear program removed. Of a personal nature, Arafat gets to see the end of a generation long feud with the Assad family, President Bush gets to announce the cease fire a week or so before the election, and Mubarak gets the much needed endorsement of the US government for naming his son Jimmy as his successor. Seems like everybody wins.
Please understand that there's a small mountain of details that have to be resolved first and so this plan may never see fruition. But if it does succeed, we will suddenly see a major shift toward the circumstances set forth in Ezekiel 38 for a Moslem invasion of Israel.
Just as no one could have predicted the speed with which the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed, this dramatic change in the Middle East situation, if it comes to pass, will also take the world by surprise. Never in their fifty year history has Israel seen even one day of official peace, and so prophecy students have wondered long and loud about how this war torn country could ever be persuaded to believe that they're at peace with their neighbors, a clear pre-condition for Ezekiel's prophecy. A legitimate cease-fire with the Palestinians, peaceful evacuation of the Gaza Strip, and resolution of the Golan Heights dispute with Syria could suddenly change all that.
What Time Is It?
First of all, lets' get some kind of time frame started. Falling between Israel's modern re-birth, prophesied in Ezekiel 36-37, and the Millennium to which Ezekiel devotes chapters 40-48, means that the battle of chapters 38-39 has to take place after 1948 but before the 2nd coming, and all agree it hasn't happened yet. This has led some to see the passage as a description of Armageddon, but as we'll see there are many prominent nations missing from this battle whereas Zechariah 14:2 prophecies that every nation will join the battle on that day. If so, the time frame narrows to sometime between 1948 and the beginning of the Great Tribulation, when no place in the world will be at peace, especially Israel.
Ezekiel prophesied that the Lord would use this battle to turn Israel back to Him and to complete the return of Jews from all over the world to Israel, not leaving any behind. This leads us to believe that the battle of Ezekiel 38-39 is the event that re-starts the clock on the 490-year period of time spoken of by Daniel, the famous 70 weeks of Daniel 9. 69 of those weeks (483 years) had come when the Messiah was crucified and the Temple destroyed, stopping the clock one week (seven years) short of fulfillment. I believe the dramatic victory the Lord wins over Israel's enemies in this battle convinces them to officially re-instate their Old Covenant relationship and demand a Temple for worship. It's this Temple that's later desecrated by the antichrist, kicking off the Great Tribulation.
With all this in mind, let's begin a careful study of Ezekiel 38-39, to prepare us for these events should they become reality soon.
The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army-your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops-the many nations with you. (Ezek. 38:1-6)
In a recent article, Finding Gog , I made the claim that Gog is a supernatural figure (perhaps Satan's counterpart to the Archangel Michael) and the behind the scenes commander of this event, while Magog is listed in Genesis 10 as one of Noah's grandsons, a son of Japeth. Over 130 historical references demonstrate that Magog is the father of today's Russian people. (For a more detailed treatment on the modern names of all the nations mentioned in this passage, read the related article I've included below.)
In our Mid East Prophecy Update Sept 2004 I also explained that the "hooks in the jaw" phrase indicates Russia's reluctance to participate, and that the treaty Russia has with the Central Asian Republics may be invoked to assure that God's will is done and Russia is involved. Persia is the ancient name for Iran, Cush and Put represent the North African nations, Gomer was Magog's brother and settled along the Danube River in what would become Eastern Europe, and Togarmah, a son of Gomer's, inhabited what's now known as Armenia and Turkey. The characteristic all these nations have in common is their religion, they're all Moslem.
"Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land. (Ezek. 38:7-9)
The fact that Israel is the target in this passage is self evident, but a controversy rages around the Heberew word betach translated "in safety" in verse 8. A secondary meaning, "carelessly" could mean that they're not really safe but just think they are and so their guard is down. It would take a truly miraculous change in Israel's current situation to achieve either of the conditions this word implies. As far as I know, the prospective agreement I revealed above is only being reported in mid-east intelligence services, but its progress certainly bears watching as it could be just the miraculous change that's needed. If it comes to pass, it would mark the first time in modern Israel's 50-year history that it's enjoyed even one day of official peace with it's neighbors.
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There are lot's of people standing before the throne in white robes that were beheaded during the trib. So people are still coming to the Lord after the rapture.
I don't know when the 144K are sealed. But l know it's before mid-way.
I don't know when the 144K are sealed. But l know it's before mid-way.
QUOTE(Miki @ Oct 27 2004, 11:10 AM)
Hi Carmine,
I'm just speculating like everybody else. Here's a thought though. Could the Ez. 38 war be a seven year campaign?....
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I'm just speculating like everybody else. Here's a thought though. Could the Ez. 38 war be a seven year campaign?....
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i have to answer quick at this second cuz I am way late for work but the Ezekiel war is a multitude of confrontations that end with Christ's return....
Just as you can say that world war 2 really didn't start til they hit pearl harbor, (for us anyway), we can trace it back furthur not only to HItler, but even furthur back to world war one and the "cease fire" that seperates the two confrontations....
the definition of a "war" is not the same as the definition of a "battle". Many use the term battle as if it, by itself , is an independent war, isolated....
The US is involved in the middle east, and to avoid terrorism in our land, Bush got them on thedefensive in their lands.. This strategy has caused us to be pulled in by hooks in jaw, so to speak... and thus, it is fulfilling bible prophecy and teh end time wars that occur at the boundaries of the river euphrates...
gotta run but promise to make the next post very scriptural and we can take it from there...
God Bless
CArmine
okay , hold on here .
I am wondering if the Gog Magog war is nothing to do with the Tribulation and the events preceding Christ's Second Coming , and everything to do with the Millenial Kingdom .
WHY ?
Well first of all there is a tremendous vagueness about who or what Gog and Magog are . Commentators keep telling us it is Russia , but I can't see a jot of biblical evidence for that . If we were 200 years back maybe they would say it was the Ottoman Empire . Looks to me like people are just picking out the biggest boy in a hoodie as main suspect .
The clearest definition we get of Gog and Magog is in Revelation :
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
Gog and Magog are nations from all corners folks !!
The bible says so .
And when does at say so ?
At the END ( read the Roman font ) of the Millenial Kingdom .
Is it time for a paradigm shift ?
Read backwards from Ezekiel 38 , i.e. read from chapter 33/34 onwards , and you have to start asking questions .
Ezekiel 34 v 24 :
And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken [it].
the context seems to be the Millenial Kingdom of Christ . all the subsequent prophecies seem to me to belong to that period , the valley of the dry bones , the reunion of Judah-Israel with Ephraim-Israel , and so on . These all appear to be firmly events subsequent to Christ's second Coming .
Then the question arises , what is the purpose of Christ's second coming ?
In a nutshell , it is to become King of Israel , i think . ( previously he has just been High Priest ) , but you tell me , I am thin on knowledge here .
In short I think the Gog / Magog war , involving Russia , in our times , is a giant red herring .
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I am wondering if the Gog Magog war is nothing to do with the Tribulation and the events preceding Christ's Second Coming , and everything to do with the Millenial Kingdom .
WHY ?
Well first of all there is a tremendous vagueness about who or what Gog and Magog are . Commentators keep telling us it is Russia , but I can't see a jot of biblical evidence for that . If we were 200 years back maybe they would say it was the Ottoman Empire . Looks to me like people are just picking out the biggest boy in a hoodie as main suspect .
The clearest definition we get of Gog and Magog is in Revelation :
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
Gog and Magog are nations from all corners folks !!
The bible says so .
And when does at say so ?
At the END ( read the Roman font ) of the Millenial Kingdom .
Is it time for a paradigm shift ?
Read backwards from Ezekiel 38 , i.e. read from chapter 33/34 onwards , and you have to start asking questions .
Ezekiel 34 v 24 :
And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken [it].
the context seems to be the Millenial Kingdom of Christ . all the subsequent prophecies seem to me to belong to that period , the valley of the dry bones , the reunion of Judah-Israel with Ephraim-Israel , and so on . These all appear to be firmly events subsequent to Christ's second Coming .
Then the question arises , what is the purpose of Christ's second coming ?
In a nutshell , it is to become King of Israel , i think . ( previously he has just been High Priest ) , but you tell me , I am thin on knowledge here .
In short I think the Gog / Magog war , involving Russia , in our times , is a giant red herring .
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It seems like Shekel would probably say I am totally wrong , and everyone else too !! It worries me when I am so isolated , and when the Bible Codes should be an enlightenment , and I mess up reading them .
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The safety , carelessly issue of Ezekiel 38 is very important .
It is hard under any circumstances to imagine Israel ' AT PEACE' , less so the Israelis ever dropping their guard !!
One thing I don't think people can say is that prophecy runs chronologically .
When we are told to rightly divide the Word it means just that , knowing where it edits . Prophecies seem to come in chunks that we have to work the beginning and the end of .
Isaiah 2 , Psalm 2 , are hardly chronologically placed prophecies !!
in fact Psalm 2 refers to the Second ( or only ?? ) Gog Magog war doesn't it ?
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
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The safety , carelessly issue of Ezekiel 38 is very important .
It is hard under any circumstances to imagine Israel ' AT PEACE' , less so the Israelis ever dropping their guard !!
One thing I don't think people can say is that prophecy runs chronologically .
When we are told to rightly divide the Word it means just that , knowing where it edits . Prophecies seem to come in chunks that we have to work the beginning and the end of .
Isaiah 2 , Psalm 2 , are hardly chronologically placed prophecies !!
in fact Psalm 2 refers to the Second ( or only ?? ) Gog Magog war doesn't it ?
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
Sometimes l don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. 
You speak out of context and you assume we know.
You're over my head in biblical knowledge on many issues and l can't respond because you don't bring it down to level l can relate to.
But love you anyway.
You speak out of context and you assume we know.
You're over my head in biblical knowledge on many issues and l can't respond because you don't bring it down to level l can relate to.
But love you anyway.
I am sorry Miki , I tend to write in abbreviated form .
I am lazy , and tend to sketch things .
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The Focus of this Site is the Codes , and Shekel's work . We are just the orchestra in the background . But how do we all view the Codes ?
I had always believed that there were some codes in the Bible , and as Shekel has said , watch out for Chaldean , false , rods .
Although I have never looked into the false rods , I found myself on this Website , and have always accepted the Veracity of Shekel's work , as inspired by God .
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Actually , we have to be very careful about what we accept in addition to the Bible .............but I believe Shekel's work is true .
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I upset Shekel by contending with one of the Codes . Namely that the valley of Gog is the valley of the burning of Russia .
I suppose it kind of puts me to the test , Do I really believe in the Authenticity of the Codes ?
I must be very careful .
Nonetheless , the Codes , as a part of the Bible , ( and everyone must Judge this for themselves ) , presumably need to be studied . ( or are open to study at least ) . I certainly don't find them transparently simple . But maybe I am a bit dense .
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As regards the Gog / Magog War .
When we debate this subject , Ezekiel 38/39 , we are unwittingly walking into one of the most contended and difficult passages of prophetic scripture , ( or so say the commentators ) . So while we blithely talk off the cuff , or I do sometimes anyhow , I am underestimating the difficulty of the subject matter .
Conventional wisdom ascribes two major difficulties to the Gog / Magog prophecies . Where and When ?
The When revolves around whether it is a Tribulationary Event or not , ( as well as an end of Christ's Millenium one ) , and the Where about whether it is Russian in nature .
On the When , I suppose the Majority believe it is a Tribulation Event .
And the Where , the overwhelming Majority believe that Gog and Magog depict Russia .
Personally I am not 100 % on it being a Tribulation Event .
As for it being Russia , well the Codes say it is so , So I'D BETTER BELIEVE IT !
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As regards my previous post :
It says in Ezekiel 38 that the Gog/Magog war will take place when Israel is dwelling safely .
Clearly this is hard to reconcile with 1) present reality and 2) Zechariah's description of all nations coming against Jerusalem .
Translators argue that it should read 'dwelling carelessly ' .
I suppose that if the Israeli Government are seduced into signing treaties with the EU , in order to get whatever benefits they believe can accrue from such arrangements , whilst in truth they are selling their making deals with their Arch-Enemy , then they could be said to be living carelessly ! Very carelessly . Especially since there is nothing new about European , Roman , Babylonian domination and control of Israel .
( When I say ' European , Roman , Babylonian ', I mean the power behind the power behind the power )
But there is a big difference between living carelessly and living safely . The KJV has ' dwelling safely ' .
Eze 38:11 -
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
Now I know for an absolute certainty that Jerusalem will live safely in the millenial Kingdom , when Christ will put a wall of fire around Jerusalem , but I am not so sure about prior to his Coming . In fact , I would have thought the very opposite .
Even if the Antichrist creates the illusion of safety , it is not actually living safely .
However , the Hebrew may be more ambiguous than the KJV suggests . I really don't know .
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The other point I was trying to make is this :
Some commentators say that Ezekiel 38/39 must be before the 2nd Coming , because of Ezekiel 40 .
Prophecy does not read in a timeline .
Isaiah 2 is about the millenial Kingdom , and Psalm 2 , I would suggest , likewise .
Prophecy seems to come in chunks . Knowing where a chunk starts and ends is the skill called ' rightly dividing the Word of God ' .
Obviously a certain portion is chronological , but then the continuity is broken , and you have to know where .
Also , as in Daniel , the prophecies are chronological within each chapter , but they tend to interweave . And Daniel 9 goes backwards from 7 and 8 .
There is no clear easy formula !!
I am lazy , and tend to sketch things .
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The Focus of this Site is the Codes , and Shekel's work . We are just the orchestra in the background . But how do we all view the Codes ?
I had always believed that there were some codes in the Bible , and as Shekel has said , watch out for Chaldean , false , rods .
Although I have never looked into the false rods , I found myself on this Website , and have always accepted the Veracity of Shekel's work , as inspired by God .
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Actually , we have to be very careful about what we accept in addition to the Bible .............but I believe Shekel's work is true .
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I upset Shekel by contending with one of the Codes . Namely that the valley of Gog is the valley of the burning of Russia .
I suppose it kind of puts me to the test , Do I really believe in the Authenticity of the Codes ?
I must be very careful .
Nonetheless , the Codes , as a part of the Bible , ( and everyone must Judge this for themselves ) , presumably need to be studied . ( or are open to study at least ) . I certainly don't find them transparently simple . But maybe I am a bit dense .
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As regards the Gog / Magog War .
When we debate this subject , Ezekiel 38/39 , we are unwittingly walking into one of the most contended and difficult passages of prophetic scripture , ( or so say the commentators ) . So while we blithely talk off the cuff , or I do sometimes anyhow , I am underestimating the difficulty of the subject matter .
Conventional wisdom ascribes two major difficulties to the Gog / Magog prophecies . Where and When ?
The When revolves around whether it is a Tribulationary Event or not , ( as well as an end of Christ's Millenium one ) , and the Where about whether it is Russian in nature .
On the When , I suppose the Majority believe it is a Tribulation Event .
And the Where , the overwhelming Majority believe that Gog and Magog depict Russia .
Personally I am not 100 % on it being a Tribulation Event .
As for it being Russia , well the Codes say it is so , So I'D BETTER BELIEVE IT !
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As regards my previous post :
It says in Ezekiel 38 that the Gog/Magog war will take place when Israel is dwelling safely .
Clearly this is hard to reconcile with 1) present reality and 2) Zechariah's description of all nations coming against Jerusalem .
Translators argue that it should read 'dwelling carelessly ' .
I suppose that if the Israeli Government are seduced into signing treaties with the EU , in order to get whatever benefits they believe can accrue from such arrangements , whilst in truth they are selling their making deals with their Arch-Enemy , then they could be said to be living carelessly ! Very carelessly . Especially since there is nothing new about European , Roman , Babylonian domination and control of Israel .
( When I say ' European , Roman , Babylonian ', I mean the power behind the power behind the power )
But there is a big difference between living carelessly and living safely . The KJV has ' dwelling safely ' .
Eze 38:11 -
And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
Now I know for an absolute certainty that Jerusalem will live safely in the millenial Kingdom , when Christ will put a wall of fire around Jerusalem , but I am not so sure about prior to his Coming . In fact , I would have thought the very opposite .
Even if the Antichrist creates the illusion of safety , it is not actually living safely .
However , the Hebrew may be more ambiguous than the KJV suggests . I really don't know .
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The other point I was trying to make is this :
Some commentators say that Ezekiel 38/39 must be before the 2nd Coming , because of Ezekiel 40 .
Prophecy does not read in a timeline .
Isaiah 2 is about the millenial Kingdom , and Psalm 2 , I would suggest , likewise .
Prophecy seems to come in chunks . Knowing where a chunk starts and ends is the skill called ' rightly dividing the Word of God ' .
Obviously a certain portion is chronological , but then the continuity is broken , and you have to know where .
Also , as in Daniel , the prophecies are chronological within each chapter , but they tend to interweave . And Daniel 9 goes backwards from 7 and 8 .
There is no clear easy formula !!
Are you familiar with Pax Romana?
Many nations that Rome conquered were actually happy to be conquered. Before the Roman Empire, nation would attack nation, and peace was impossible. After Rome became a (sort of) world empire, people didn't like everything that Rome did, BUT, at least they had peace between the nations (Rome forced peace upon them, the famous Pax Romana).
Pax = peace
Romana = of Rome
So,
Will the a/c force peace upon the world? The Bible says that God will send strong delusion upon the world's people during the trib, so the people will believe the great lie of the a/c. What is that GREAT LIE?
The Great Lie of the a/c is: I will bring Peace and Safety. I will give you prosperity. No more war, hunger, injustice, slavery, danger from terrorists and nukes. Nation will not attack nation ever again. Beat your rifles into pruning hooks. You'll never need your nukes or tanks ever again. All of the money and man-power being spent on defence and war can now be spent on tremendous peace and prosperity.
The Bible says that the a/c will obtain the kingdom by flatteries without a shot being fired. How does the a/c put all the world into "one religion, one govt" without a war? Surely, the a/c is the most charismatic person of all time! I wonder if he'll be quoting Scripture. He might claim that he will make the lion lie down with the lamb. I've read that Solana hates American religion, and loves the Pope. The Pope claims to be the Holy (Heavenly) Father. Perhaps Satan, the a/c, the Pope and Solana are all in bed with one another. The a/c will oppose Christ by claiming to BE Christ (as per Dave Hunt). Anti (anti-christ) has 2 meanings, against, or, in the place of.
And Israel lays down her weapons, gives up her nuclear, tears down the wall around Jerusalem, and Israel has her Peace (but it's a false peace).
Under the rule of the a/c, will the Arabs live in peace with Israel? I think the Bible says, Yes. Perhaps the a/c will convince the Arabs that "Jesus (or Allah) says, Stop attacking Israel". After all, Satan is the Great Deceiver. God has put strong delusion on the world to believe the Great Lie. The a/c has a blank check to do anything he wants. No matter how un-believable it seems now.
dennis manning
Many nations that Rome conquered were actually happy to be conquered. Before the Roman Empire, nation would attack nation, and peace was impossible. After Rome became a (sort of) world empire, people didn't like everything that Rome did, BUT, at least they had peace between the nations (Rome forced peace upon them, the famous Pax Romana).
Pax = peace
Romana = of Rome
So,
Will the a/c force peace upon the world? The Bible says that God will send strong delusion upon the world's people during the trib, so the people will believe the great lie of the a/c. What is that GREAT LIE?
The Great Lie of the a/c is: I will bring Peace and Safety. I will give you prosperity. No more war, hunger, injustice, slavery, danger from terrorists and nukes. Nation will not attack nation ever again. Beat your rifles into pruning hooks. You'll never need your nukes or tanks ever again. All of the money and man-power being spent on defence and war can now be spent on tremendous peace and prosperity.
The Bible says that the a/c will obtain the kingdom by flatteries without a shot being fired. How does the a/c put all the world into "one religion, one govt" without a war? Surely, the a/c is the most charismatic person of all time! I wonder if he'll be quoting Scripture. He might claim that he will make the lion lie down with the lamb. I've read that Solana hates American religion, and loves the Pope. The Pope claims to be the Holy (Heavenly) Father. Perhaps Satan, the a/c, the Pope and Solana are all in bed with one another. The a/c will oppose Christ by claiming to BE Christ (as per Dave Hunt). Anti (anti-christ) has 2 meanings, against, or, in the place of.
And Israel lays down her weapons, gives up her nuclear, tears down the wall around Jerusalem, and Israel has her Peace (but it's a false peace).
Under the rule of the a/c, will the Arabs live in peace with Israel? I think the Bible says, Yes. Perhaps the a/c will convince the Arabs that "Jesus (or Allah) says, Stop attacking Israel". After all, Satan is the Great Deceiver. God has put strong delusion on the world to believe the Great Lie. The a/c has a blank check to do anything he wants. No matter how un-believable it seems now.
dennis manning
mm interesting Dennis,
I am chaallenging all my asumptions now
I am chaallenging all my asumptions now
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