QUOTE(Tomcat @ May 4 2006, 11:17 AM)
QUOTE(Signet @ May 2 2006, 08:14 PM)
Tomcat,
Please write some more...I was reading about this same 153 in the
material that Senteame3 posted regarding tribulation timeline...
it is very interesting and I am wondering how this two will correlate?
I have asked S3 also for more, please!
Signet
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Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Knowledge, Wisdom, and Understanding to all that Love and seek Truth.
Praise, Honor, Wisdom, Power, Glory, and Thanksgiving be unto the ONE and
only Jahshua Ha Mashiach. He alone is worthy.
Signet..
I'm sorry it's taken me this long to get back here to post properly concerning the
number 153 in respect to the 153 fishes in the net that didn't break.
I've noticed that alot has already been said in conjecture about the meaning of that
specific number of fishes being in the net. What I am about to post has nothing to do with conjecture or "it could mean this or that". This post will be long but in the end you will ...God willing... have guidance in it's meaning from the very source Himself,
the Living Word of God.
I need to give you some back ground before getting into it. I will try and be as brief as possible but as concise at the same time.
People that are familiar with me on this forum know a couple of things.
1. I look only to the author and finisher of my Faith for Truth. I don't go to web sites,
read books other than the bible(except two), or rely on the teachings of man in
church services for my beliefs. Truth is my addiction and with the wonderful provision
through the blood of the everlasting covenant I can and do get the exact Truth I need
by the Holy Spirit in the Word of God. That alone will make one fruitful. I sure don't need to have any of my meditations rooted in hearsay or conjecture so I stay away
from most threads where useless chatter, and flattery abounds.
2. I try to limit my postings to bearing witness of the Truth for the edification of the body of Christ. Every idle word we will have to give an account for.
So, what I am about to share with you all is not conjecture or hearsay. That which is of God is of God. That which is not of God is not. There is no in between. This is of
God.
Shortly after I was saved in 1977 I came across the story in John 21. When I read verse 11 I saw that the exact number of 153 fishes were in the net. I knew that God's
Word was perfect and so the number 153 had to be significant but I didn't have a clue
as to why. As with anything in scripture that I don't understand I gave it right back to the Lord in prayer. Show me what this means if it be your will. About a year later my
closest friend and brother in the Lord told me about a book that was out. He knew I
didn't read anything else but the Bible but he encouraged me to read this book. As my close trusted friend I took his advice and purchased a copy. Since I have been
saved there are only two other books I've read beside the Bible. The Bible Code by
Michael Drosnin and the book I'm about to share with you. As most people know there have been errant things written in the Bible Code and not all codes can be trusted.
As a side note..if it wasn't for my interest in Bible codes I wouldn't be typing
to you right now. Shekel's work is marvelous and the codes he has presented cannot be refuted. Truly God's hand is upon him.
When it comes to numbers and mathematics I am inept to say least. I got more failures in math. courses in high school (and still graduated
) than any other person you'll ever meet. The truth and book that I'm about to share with you is all
numbers. God's numbers. Even though it envolves mathematics it has been very easy for me to grasp therefore it should be a breeze for anyone else. The truths that
are presented cannot be refuted.
Just like the Bible codes uses the exact Hebrew and Greek texts so does this book.
Before I had purchased this book Jahshua had shown me many truths in the scriptures that went against what was(and still is) being taught in mainstream non-
denominational Christianity. Although there are many there is one revelation in
particular that the Holy Spirit showed me that goes against the way that every church
I know of teaches it. God willing, I'll share that another time. Well, to my utter amazement when I read this book God confirmed for me what He had taught me in
that doctrine and numerous others. You'll see how He did it when I explain how it all
is written.
One last thing before continuing. Since this is the inerrant perfect Word of God it
still has to be taken by Faith. The Word of God is God. It proceeded forth from the
Father and it is known as the Son. No man comes unto the Son except the Father draw him. Whoever has the Son has the Father. They are one. True believers all have one thing in common. They love the Truth.
First I'll explain how God has written His Word so you can understand how He can
reveal truth in a mathematical way.
The finder and author of the book(he now has three) is Del Washburn and he has
called God's mathematics in the Bible, Theomatics.
The Bible is written in Hebrew and Greek. In both of those languages there is no
numerical system as we have. We have a full alphabet and then we have a numerical
system. In the Hebrew and Greek the letters in there alphabets have numerical values. Since I don't have a key board that can type Hebrew or Greek I'll use the
Roman numeral system so you can understand.
Most of us are familiar with Roman numerals. I=1, V=5, X=10, C=100, M=1000, etc...
Now lets say that was Greek and IVXCM spelled Jesus. You add up the values of each
letter and the word has a 'Theomatic' value of 1,116. Of course that's not Jesus' real
Theomatic value. His real Theomatic value is 888. or 111 X 8, or 37 X 8 X 3
You will have to buy the book in order to fully understand the meanings of the values
and how they're tied together. I strongly suggest purchasing the book which is now on their web site (Theomatics.com) as Theomatics II.
How our incredible worthy to be praised heavenly Father has written His Word in such
a way that different names, titles, thought's, principals, concepts, and truths all have
Theomatic values is totally divine.
Now, this book covers just a drop in the bucket compared to what is hidden in the
scriptures numerically but it presents the Rock solid facts that can't be refuted.
Just as an example I'll point out something that just recently happened on this forum to me. Before I had ever read this book I could see in scripture that there would be no pre-trib. rapture and that the 144,000(s) that is written about in Revelation was
us. The body of Christ, the bride, the church, the redeemed, the chosen, the faithful,
etc... Of course that line of thought goes against most people in the churches today.
There have been numerous interpretations concerning the 144,000(s).
I posted that I was one of the 144,000(s) and one particular person responded with a
bunch of churchy garbage that he had heard and pretty much tried to make me look like an idiot for believing what I KNOW to be true. We must all be careful of our judgments and the messages we post. I've been trying to gather my thought's on how to inform him of his error in a loving way. Maybe he'll read this post and do some Truth seeking before spouting off in the future.
To give you an idea..this book has 13 pages dealing with the Theomatic value of 153
and has 42 pages concerning the Theomatic value of 144. It clearly shows without
leaving any possibility for question that all of the redeemed are the 144,000(s) and
not just some special group of Jews that get miraculously saved after the bride has
departed in rapture. We are the Jews. We are Israel. We are God's people.
I do plan on posting back to him with the scriptures that will show his error but will he
have ears to hear, and eyes to see? Does he LOVE the Truth enough to accept it? Will he have the humility to confess his error that he can be healed? I hope so. Time will tell.
God clearly shows spiritual truth mathematically with Theomatics . He is so merciful.
I'm going to quote word for word a portion of the book in introducing the Theomatic
structure around the 153 Fishes in the net. I don't want to violate any copyright laws
so I'll also give the book another plug before I do. BUY IT!!!!
Quote..
One of the most fascinating passages of Scripture is John 21:11,
wherein the disciples
go fishing, and "Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land, full of great fishes, a hundred and fifty-three; and although there were so many, the net was not being torn." This number 153 has taxed the ingenuity and minds of some of the greatest Bible
students over the centuries. All have felt that there must be something deeply significant and important about this number. Why would the number of fishes caught
be such a strange number? Why not a nice even number, like 100 or 150. Many
comentators have seen in this number some reference to the saved as being of a definite and particular number, even down to the last one; thus, they make up not a
large round number but a smaller and odd number---153.
Theomatics will bring out many spiritual truths concerning this passage of Scripture. In the last chapter, we saw how 888 was a key number on which many different references to Christ were structured. The exciting thing you are about to discover is that many times the key numbers are given right in the text. In fact,
every single number in the Bible is part of the overall theomatic design on which God has built His Word. This will then prove the numbers we are using, are not those we thought up ourselves, but those placed right in the text by God Himself. It's as if God
were to say: Here's the number to use. The story of the 153 fishes will bring this truth out perfectly.End of quote from the book....
The following are examples. The Bible verse and then the verse and then the theomatic value of the word or verse quoted.
John 21:11 Draw the net to land full of great fishes,
a hundred and fifty-three 153 X 54
Luke 9:13 Fishes 153 X 8 (1,224)
John 21:11 The net 153 X 8 (1,224)
Mat.4:18 Casting a net into the sea 153 X 20
Mat.4:18 For they were fishermen 153 X 4
John 21:6 Cast the net on the right side of the ship
and ye shall find 153 X 27
John 21:6 And they were not able to haul it in because
of the multitude of fishes 153 X 47
Luke 5:6 Multitude of fishes 153 x 16 (1,224)
Mat.8:34 Follow me 153 x 12
Mark 1:17 Fishers of men 153 x 14
Mark 1:18 And immediately leaving the nets, they followed Him 153 X 36
John 14:6 I am the way 153 X 8 (1,224)
John 14:6 Way, Truth, Life 153 X 8 (1,224)
John 10:7 I say unto you that I am the door of the sheep 153 X 37
John 10:1 Enter by the door into the sheepfold 153 X 41
Luke 13:25 The door 153 X 6
Mat.7:13 The narrow gate 153 X 13
The chapter goes on...
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The book I have is out of print but if you go to the Theomatics.com web site you will
find the book I have listed as Theomatics II.
The web site also explains the theomatic structure and has 4 different examples
that you can click on. Just reading what's on the web site is very enlightening.
This is probably the only web site that you will ever see me steer people to. God wants us alone in His Word so He can speak personally with us. God wants to hear,
"Look what Jesus/Jahshua taught me" not "Look at what Billy Graham or Ray Comfort or Bubba Chuck Fred taught me".
People that seek to enter in another way that has been provided are considered theifs and robbers. If you can't hear God's voice then repent. If you can then there
is no need to get your daily bread from anyone else but Him alone.
There are many wonderful Truths in the 21st chapter of John that it would take years
of research with theomatics to uncover what the Holy Spirit wants to teach now. Have Faith in God. Go before the throne of grace with boldness.
There were times as I read this book that I literally cried. After the all the persecution that I had gone through from fellow believers while proclaiming the Truth's that God had shown me; and being mocked, ridiculed, and kicked out of two churches; God
placed this book in my hands which clearly shows what He had revealed to me was
perfect Truth. Praise His Name. The Word of God.
The reason that I do not often speak of this book is because I don't want to take
peoples time away from their devotions alone with our Father in His Word. He wants
to build His kingdom in our hearts by the Holy Spirit through His Word.
To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty,
dominion and power, both now and ever.Peace and much Agape to you all, Tom
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Household of God 144 X 18 Meat in due season to all doers in the Word of Life.
Let God arise and His enemies be scattered. Let the voice of the flock be one; fitly
joined together in Love; and praise the Father who has redeemed us from our sins
through the sacrifice of His Word.
In my post above concerning the number 153 I mentioned that the hundred and
forty-four thousands from the book of the Revelation was also written about. Where
there is only 13 pages concerning the number 153; there is 42 pages of scriptures
that that shed light on who the 144,000s are.
Once again, I don't want to post too much. Del Washburn has invested his time and money into this research and interested people should buy his book(s). His web
site is at Theomatics.com
Here is a portion...not word for word...of his findings. Remember that the design
which mathematically ties scriptual themes, principals, and truths together is fully
put there by God and cannot be refuted.
Praise be to
His Name. (Rev.19:13)A brief explaination of theomatics is in my above post but a much more thorough
explaination is given at the theomatics web site.
Also, many of the scriptures that I'm posting are out of the book of the Revelation
but the '144' theomatic design is laced through many other books as well. Some of
which I have listed toward the bottom.
The 144 thousands in Revelations 14 as revealed in Theomatics.In the original Greek of the papyrus and in all other Greek texts of this passage, the number is
not 144,000, as it has been popularly supposed. Instead it is the 144 thousands. The difference
between these two is all the difference in the world. The Greek word for 'thousands' is not singular
but plural. Translators have simply assumed that it was singular in meaning, because this was the only interpretation that made sense--at that time. But in the Greek in the New Testament the number is not 144,000, but rather 144 thousands.
Here is the difference between the two. Since the number 12 is the number of all the chosen, 144 is simply an amplification of that number, because 144 is 12 X 12. So 144 is even more emphatically the number of the chosen, and it is followed by the word 'thousands'. Thousands of what? Of the 144 !
And what is the 144? It is a sybolic number of all the redeemed, the elect, the bride of the lamb, the body of Christ the church-- in short all those who have put their trust in Jesus. This truth is further confirmed by the fact that the word thousands by itself has a theomatic value of 144 X 6. This definitely indicates that the thousands referred to here are thousands of 144, which is the number of all the redeemed.
Also, in Revelation chapter 7:4 where John describes the number having been sealed as 144 thousands out of every tribe of the sons of Israel. Each of the tribes are then named, with twelve thousands being sealed from each one. Here again the Greek word for thousands is in the plural and not the singular.
Below are just a few other scripture portions that have 144 as a theomatic value which is how God mathematically wrote His word confirming and connecting it's truths with 'theomatic' values.
Rev.14:1
Thousands 144 X 6
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Rev.14:3
And no one could learn the song except the 144 thousands,
the ones purchased from the earth. 144 X 32
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Rev.14:3
The 144 thousands, the ones purchased from the earth 144 X 7
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Rev.14:3
The 144 thousands 144 X 7
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Rev.14:4-5
These have been purchased from mankind as firstfruits to God and the lamb, and in their mouth
was no lie found, for they are blameless 144 X 98
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Rev.14:4
Purchased firstfruits 144 X 10
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Rev.7:3
Seal the servants of our God 144 X 31
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Rev.7:9
And behold, the great multitude which to number it no one was able, from every nation, from all tribes
and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the lamb 144 X 116
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Rev.7:9
The great multitude which to number it no one was able, from every nation 144 X 42
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Rev.7:14
The ones coming out of the great tribulation 144 X 28
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Rev.12:11
They overcame him by the blood of the lamb, and by the word of their testimony 144 X 39
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Rev.12:11
They loved not their lives unto death 144 X 42
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Rev.13:15
As many as would not worship the image of the beast 144 X 29
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Rev.15:2
The ones overcoming the beast and it's image 144 X 36
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Rev.15:2
The ones overcoming the beast 144 X 21
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Rev.14:12
Here is the endurance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith in Jesus 144 X 52
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Rev.14:11
Endurance of the saints 144 X 11
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Rev.14:12
Keep the commandments 144 X 18
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Rev.14:12 and Rev.2:13
The faith 144 X 7
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Rev.3:10
The word of my endurance 144 X 15
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Mat.3:10
He that endureth until the end shall be saved 144 X 30
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Luke 12:37
Blessed are those saints 144 X 7
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Rev.1:2
7 lampstands 144 X 9
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Rev.1:20
7 churches 144 X 8
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Rev.2:17
New name 144 X 3
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Rev.20:6
Priests of God 144 X 11
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Rev.8:3
Saints 144 X 6
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Rev.12:11
Witness 144 X 8
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Rev.2:13
The faithful of Me 144 X 10
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Rev.18:4
Come out My people 144 X 9
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Rev.1:7
Clouds 144 X 10
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Rev.14:13
Ones dying in the Lord 144 X 17
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Rev.22:17
The bride 144 X 7
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Rev.19:9
The marriage supper 144 X 8
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Rom.9:24
Not only the Jews 144 X 14
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Rom.9:24
Also of the Gentiles 144 X 7
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Rom.4:16
The seed of faith 144 X 24
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Mat.13:30
Gather the wheat 144 X 14
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1Cor.12:12
Body of Christ 144 X 18
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Rom.11:7
The elect 144
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Rom.9:11
Elect of God 144 X 10
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Rom.16:13
Elect in the Lord 144 X 16
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1Tim.4:12
Believers 144 X 10
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1Cor.14:22
The ones believing 144 X 16
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1Cor.12:27
Ye are the body of Christ 144 X 27
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Col.3:15
To which also ye were called in one body 144 X 15
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Gal.5:24
Those who belong to Christ Jesus 144 X 17
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1Thes.3:13
All His saints 144 X 31
There are another 15 pages of examples of the 144 theomatic design bringing light to the scriptures.
I have placed in bold print some of the features that clearly tie the whole body of
Christ into the 144,000s as the redeemed of the Lord through Jesus.
Many have been falsely teaching for years that the 144,000s written about in the
book of Revelation are a special group of Jews that get miraculously saved during the tribulation.
Not only does theomatics prove that God's Word is perfect; but that in His greatness;
he has also mathematically tied together spiritual truths shedding more Light into our hearts and confirming things He has already shown those that hear His voice.
The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make His face to shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up His countenance upon thee, and give thee..
PEACE, Tom
and I 
you, your sis, hannah 
