Here is a list of false doctrines and their descriptions. You will recognize these floating around this board. This is less a commentary post from me and more of something you can spot and be aware of that stems from the root of false teachings. Hence, FALSE DOCTRINE. Test EVERYTHING against what you see people say and bring up, especially when it is not from the Bible directly or stems from the heart of another "religion" such as mormonism or jehova's witness. Be aware and know.

I pray to Jesus people will not be blinded regarding False Doctrines.
And in His name may it be so.

This is done in Christ's love so that you will recognize and be aware thus becoming wise in it, which we all, including myself need to be better at:

JEHOVA'S WITNESS

Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings.
Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:

Taking verses out of their immediate context.
Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
Changing the meanings of words.
Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
Adding to the Word of God.

The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith.
The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers.
Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness organization is a mind control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible." The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587.
The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, sell a multitudinous amount of literature, and expand its grip into the lives of its members and their families.

It is a non-Christian cult.


Mormonism

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it, like any other cult, denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically), Mormonism distorts two of them: the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.
Mormonism teaches that God the Father has a body of flesh and bones (D. & C. 130:22) and that Jesus is a creation. It teaches that he was begotten in heaven as one of God’s spirit children (See the Book, Jesus the Christ, by James Talmage, p. 8). This is in strict contrast to the biblical teaching that he is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14), eternal (John 1:1, 2, 15), uncreated, yet born on earth (Col. 1:15), and the creator all (John 1:3; Col. 1;16-17). Jesus cannot be both created and not created at the same time. Though Mormonism teaches that Jesus is god in flesh, it teaches that he is "a" god in flesh, one of three gods that comprise the office of the Trinity (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three gods are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. This is in direct contradiction of the biblical doctrine that there is only one God (Isaiah 44:6,8; 45:5). See Trinity for a correct discussion of what the Trinity is.
Because Mormonism errors in who Jesus is, salvation (the forgiveness of sins) does not occur and the Mormon is still in his sins. Christians are saved from their sins and judgment by putting their trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins. But, faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed. The Mormon Jesus is not the one of the Bible, even though they call him Jesus, say he died for sins, and was born in Bethlehem. The Mormon Jesus does not exist. It is the nature of Jesus that is the issue. Jesus must be God in flesh, (second person of the Trinity) not "a" god in flesh who is the brother of the devil. He must be uncreated, not created. He must be the creator (Col. 1:16-17). This is who the true Jesus really is: God, creator, uncreated, not the brother of the devil.
Mormon theology teaches that god used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed. The Jesus of Mormonism is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus, is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn't exist.
Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness. Consider James Talmage, a very important Mormon figure who said, "The sectarian dogma of justification by faith alone has exercised an influence for evil" (Articles, p. 432), and "Hence the justice of the scriptural doctrine that salvation comes to the individual only through obedience" (Articles, p. 81). This contradicts the biblical doctrine of the forgiveness of sins by grace through faith (Rom. 5:1; 6:23; Eph. 2:8-9) and the doctrine that works are not part of our salvation but a result of them (Rom. 4:5, James 2:14-18).
To further confuse the matter, Mormonism further states that salvation is twofold. It maintains that salvation is both forgiveness of sins and universal resurrection. So when a Mormon speaks of salvation by grace, he is usually referring to universal resurrection. But the Bible speaks of salvation as the forgiveness of sins, not simple universal resurrection. Where Mormonism states that forgiveness of sins is not by faith alone, the Bible does teach it. Which is correct? Obviously, it is the Bible.

Seventh Day Adventism

Denials

Denies the doctrine of predestination
Denies baptism by sprinkling
Denies infant baptism.
Denies the immortality of the soul.
Denies the eternality of hell fire.
Denies any use of alcohol (as a drink) or tobacco.
Aberrant

Our sins will ultimately be placed on Satan
Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
Worship must be done on Saturday (the Sabbath).
On October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.
Investigative Judgment - the fate of all people will be decided based upon this event in the future.
The dead do not exist anymore -- soul sleep.
The wicked are annihilated.
Ellen G. White, the "founder" of Seventh Day Adventism, was a messenger from God gifted with the spirit of prophecy.
There is a sanctuary in heaven where Jesus carries out his mediatorial work.



Univeralism


Universalism teaches that all people will ultimately be saved no matter what they believe here on earth. You could deny God, hate Him, blaspheme against Him, join a satanist group and murder people and still go to heaven.

Kabbalah

teaches...

God has 10 aspects through which creation was realized.

The the truths of Kabbalah were given to the angels first, then to Adam, then Abraham, and finally to Moses.

The human soul preexisted before coming to earth.

Reincarnation of the soul.

Higher realms of consciousness

Multiple universes

The interconnectedness of all levels of consciousness, angels, demons, thoughts, incarnations, etc.

"There are four primary archangels: Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, and Raphael.

"Liliel is the Angel of the Night...Lilith is considered to be the arch she-devil." Sandalphon is the angel of prayer as is Michael,

There are two Messiahs, one from the lineage of Joseph and the other from David

The fall of Adam and Eve was because they failed to make a rectification that would bring "the universe to a new level of consciousness."

It is possible to have a direct experience with God without the need of a mediator such as Jesus.


Oneness Pentecostal

Denies the doctrine of the Trinity.
Denies justification by faith alone by stating that baptism is also required for salvation.
Jesus is God the Father.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
The name of God is "Jesus."
Baptism is necessary for salvation.
Denies pre-existence of the Word as the Son. Teaches that the He existed as the Father.
Being born again means repentance, baptism, and speaking in tongues.
Baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid.
Baptism must be administered with the phrase, "In the name of Jesus" instead of the phrase, "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).
Speaking in tongues is a necessary requirement to demonstrate that a person has been baptized in the Holy Spirit, and is, therefore, saved. It is claimed to be the initial sign of the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
Restitution of all things, though the devil and the angels will not be restored.
Women may be pastors.
Only Oneness people will go to heaven.


Christian Science

The following doctrines are referenced out of the primary Christian Science work,
Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures, by Mary Baker Eddy.
It is supposed to be a companion to the Bible.
Science and Health together with the Bible are called the Pastor of Christian Science.

God is infinite...and there is no other power or source, S&H, 471:18.
God is Universal Principle, S&H 331:18-19
God cannot indwell a person, S&H 336:19-20
God is the only intelligence in the universe, including man S&H 330:11-12
God is Mind, S&H 330:20-21; 469:13
God is the Father-Mother, S&H 331:30; 332:4
The Trinity is Life, Truth, and Love, S&H 331:26
Belief in the traditional doctrine of the Trinity is polytheism, S&H 256:9-11
Christ is the spiritual idea of sonship S&H 331:30-31
Jesus was not the Christ, S&H 333:3-15; 334:3
"Jesus Christ is not God, as Jesus himself declared..." S&H 361:12-13
Jesus did not reflect the fullness of God, S&H 336:20-21
Jesus did not die, S&H 45:32-46:3
The Holy Spirit is divine science, S&H 331:31
There is no devil, S&H 469:13-17
There is no sin, S&H 447:24
Evil and good are not real, S&H, 330:25-27; 470:9-14
Matter, sin, and sickness are not real, but only illusions," S&H 335:7-15;
447:27-28.
Life is not material or organic, "S&H, 83:21
The sacrifice of Jesus was not sufficient to cleanse from sin, "S&H, 25:6.
True healings are the result of true belief, "S&H, 194:6"

Christadelphians

Though they acknowledge many truths found in the Bible, they deny many others.

They believe the Bible is the infallible and inerrant word of God. (The Christadelphians: What They Believe and Preach, p. 82)
They teach there is only one God. (Isaiah 43-45)
They teach that Jesus had a sin nature (What They Believe, p. 74)
They teach that Jesus needed to save himself, before he could save us. (Christadelphian Answers, p. 24)
They teach that Jesus will return and set up his kingdom on earth. (What They Believe , p. 268)
They believe that there has been an apostasy and that Christianity is a false religious system. (A tract titled “Christendom Astray Since the Apostolic Age, Detroit Christadelphian Book Supply)
They believe annihilation of the wicked. (What They Believe, p. 187).
They believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. (What They Believe , p. 71,72, 207-210)
They believe that it is possible to lose one’s salvation. (What They Believe , p. 212)
They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)
They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)
They deny that Jesus existed prior to his incarnation. (What They Believe , p. 85,86)
They deny the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit. (What They Believe , p. 115)
They deny the substitutionary atonement of Christ. (Answers, p. 25; What They Believe, p. 71)
They deny salvation by grace through faith alone. (What they Believe, p. 204)
They deny immortality of the soul. (What They Believe , p. 17).
They deny that a person exists after death. (What They Believe, p. 17)
They deny the existence of hell and eternal punishment. (What They Believe, p. 188-189)
They deny the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer as the devil. (Answers, p. 100)


New Age Movement

The New Age movement has many sub-divisions, but it is generally a collection of Eastern-influenced metaphysical thought systems, a conglomeration of theologies, hopes, and expectations held together with an eclectic teaching of salvation, of "correct thinking," and "correct knowledge." It is a theology of "feel-goodism," "universal tolerance," and "moral relativism."
In the NAM. Man is central. He is viewed as divine, as co-creator, as the hope for future peace and harmony. A representative quote might be: "I am affected only by my thoughts. It needs but this to let salvation come to all the world. For in this single thought is everyone released at last from fear."


REFERENCE THIS WHEN YOU FEEL UNSURE WITHIN YOUR SPIRIT ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE READING

Shaun,

Just a few questions about a few things which I'll try to put in color next to the item I'm asking about (and not trying to be ignorant--it really does get confusing). And yes, I'm editing most out that I'm not specifically asking about.

Shy 1 that is exactly how the cults work. You agree with some, but what about the rest. That is how easily you can be pulled into one. Sly and sneaky Shy 1.

The devil is sly and sneaky too right.
I think we can have wine, in moderation of course.

Jesus made water into wine, but some churches say you are going
to hell if you consume any alcohol. Oh wait is there a hell or not
Maybe they are not going anywhere. They won't exisit. Oh then why
are they so worried about drinking a bit of wine.

Yes that was my synicism showing up. Now for ism's that can't be good either

I guess I AM confused--Shaun did say all the things in those lists were false doctrines, right? Or the things taught by each group are wrong, so if they deny something, they shouldn't deny it, right? Shaun? Help!

In my own view, obviously there will be some that are difficult that you may have to study more than other, but much is not.

Here are some points to go by with regard to literal bible interpretation:

PRINCIPLES OF THE LITERAL METHOD OF INTERPRETING SCRIPTURE.

I. FOLLOW THE CUSTOMARY USAGES OF THE LANGUAGE.
II. COMMIT NO HISTORICAL OR CULTURAL BLUNDERS.
III. MAKE CHRIST CENTRAL IN ALL INTERPRETATIONS.
IV. BE CONSCIOUS OF CONTEXT
V. INTERPRET BY THE ANALOGY OF THE FAITH.
VI. RECOGNIZE THE PROGRESS OF REVELATION.
VII. GRANT ONE INTERPRETATION TO EACH PASSAGE.
When the words of Scripture were penned they had only one meaning. We should search for that one meaning. To accept multiple interpretations for one scripture passage causes confusion. Scripture itself does not allow for multiple interpretations of a verse. Note that we are talking about interpretation and not about application. A passage can have several applications, however in its historical and grammatical setting it can have only one interpretation.
VIII. CHOOSE THE SIMPLEST ALTERNATIVE
IX. NEVER INVENT EXPLANATIONS TO SILENT AREAS OF SCRIPTURE
Simply stated it means do not make up explanations to areas of Scripture that are silent and where God has not given us all the information about some topic of Scripture.
X. NEVER THEORIZE TO ACCOMMODATE MAN'S VIEWS OR MODERN SCIENCE.
XI. NEVER BASE A DOCTRINE ON ONE PASSAGE OF SCRIPTURE.
[b]No doctrine should be built on only one passage or verse of Scripture. To arrive at the correct understanding of a teaching (doctrine) in Scripture you must study all related texts and then put them together. Until you do this it is difficult to know that you have all the truth revealed on a particular subject.




I don't understand what you're asking here.






shy, I'm not here to argue FOR these, since I am not of these. I don't know everything in these people's minds. This is a list of things that they believe. You can always pick out something that MAY be true, mixed with the false aspects of the rest. The point is to hold it up to the Bible. Hold up EVERYTHING. The "false doctrine" title heading refers to the denial of certain things such as say Jesus and His resurrection or the Trinity etc. These other things are a list of the things that they may believe. You can lump it in with the "false doctrine" as well, but that stems from the denial of the sacred things regarding the Bible.
Personally, since there was wine at the last supper etc the denial of this may be false in saying that Jesus may have sinned with wine at His table since they deny alcohol. That would be the point, I would imagine.

As far as the baptism thing goes, the point is to match it up to scripture. Once again, I say some things here may ring true to you, but the Doctrine ITSELF is not of Jesus. I'm giving you a list of ALL the things they believe or subscribe to. Some truth sprinkled amongst lies is the point here.
The Doctrines themselves are false with lists, regarding their entire belief system.






Do you have a problem with reincarnation? How about there being two Messiahs, one from the lineage of Joseph and the other from David.

This is also what kabbalah teaches. I'm telling you all that they teach. They may draw you in with one truth, but overall it's lies. The Doctrine's are false, hence false doctrine. One truth with many lies equals FALSE DOCTRINE.






This teaches that Jesus only existed as the Father from the beginning. That He was not separate being such as the Trinity is, which is The Father , The SON and the Holy Spirit. They don't consider that there ever was a separate "WORD" from the "SON". They deny the total existance of the Trinity as three persons. False Doctrine. In so doing, they are denying Jesus Himself as the Son.





What I gather from the oneness pentecostal belief regarding the restitution thing, and I'm not completely sure on this, is that the judgment of the devil will not ultimately be as far as his final lake of fire judgment. No paying, so to speak, for the evil he has caused, for he will not be restored or be punished eternally, but destroyed completely.

No, they aren't the only group that allow women pastors, I believe you are correct.




Actually, tom cruise sports scientology, which is about as wacked out as you can get.






Here's a link on that regarding New Age deception that may help.

New Age Deception

I think for me anyway I have found that if one thing sounds off, even if the rest
seems correct according to the bible. I just run for the hills so to speak. One teaching that is way off from what our Lord says makes me run. But sometimes before I run I stand up and shout (with a little bit of jumping sometime )
And say I can't go for that no no, I can't go for that no, no.

Okay that is a song. And I can't get that out of my head when I know something
is wrong in my spirit. That song comes up. Then I run.

So now I have probably confused you more Shy1.
But the answers are in His words and sometimes you get a big
confirmation with His words and your spirit telling you what is truth!

I did not say ALL the things in the lists were false doctrines. There may be some on a list that may ring true for you. I don't know. Yet, I said the Teachings themselves are false doctrines.

This is what I said, if you'd like to read it again:

Here is a list of false doctrines and their descriptions. You will recognize these floating around this board. This is less a commentary post from me and more of something you can spot and be aware of that [b]stems from the root of false teachings.Hence, FALSE DOCTRINE. Test EVERYTHING against what you see people say and bring up, especially when it is not from the Bible directly or stems from the heart of another "religion" such as mormonism or jehova's witness. Be aware and know.

I pray to Jesus people will not be blinded regarding False Doctrines.

And in His name may it be so.
This is done in Christ's love so that you will recognize and be aware thus becoming wise in it, which we all, including myself need to be better at.

You sound like you're angry at me. I'm sorry for that if that is the case, but the truth is the truth and hopefully my answers will help and I have cleared up what I actually said above.

Hopefully this clears up the misunderstanding that you had.

No--I'm not angry at you at all. I'm sorry I gave you that impression with what I wrote. I absolutely did not mean to convey that. I was just asking questions. Again, I'm sorry.

No problem at all, I just figured it may from the rose thing, fallout whatever.

Anyway, the purple writing put me in a loop code wise, lol, so I tried to answer by bolding my answers out.

Anyway, whatever questions you have, I'll be happy to try and answer the best that I can, with God's strength, for I will need it to type at this point, lol.

This article gives some good basic information regarding discerning false teachings and false doctrines. It helped me to understand and I hope that it helps you too.


http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/qnaleadr.htm

False Christ And False Prophets!

"Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Matthew 24:23-26

We ought to know that the Spirit of Christ is omnipresent and so he can be in many places and in many people at once. Also, his spirit is in his words that we can read and so, we can encounter and obtain his spirit through his words if we would but read them and allow them to indwell in us. His spirit in us operates in a prophetic way sometimes and so he can be our prophet, being he is the chief of prophets and why would we need another prophet?

Here in our times we have many end time prophecy teachers and even those who claim to be end time prophets. Many of them tell us that Christ is only at work in such works as they are involved in and that the Spirit is only at work in them or in their group of people. Some want their followers to try and get out to where they are and hence become part of that community. Consequently when people do follow these so called prophets or ministers; such things as what occurred with Jim Jones can happen, where he led his followers into mass suicides. Such can occur because of such things as a "dooms day" mentality that many of these people have. The miraculous community the followers thought they were entering becomes a dreary place with a foreboding atmosphere of doom hanging over it, and so; fate reaps its harvest. The mistake made by the people who followed David Coresh in Waco was that they did exactly what Jesus told them not to do and that was to go out after this fellow. "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Now this does not mean that the government was right in its treatment of all of these people.

Christ is not at work somewheres a ways off around the world with some group far from you but he is at work as near as you are to him in your faith. He said, "I will never leave nor forsake you, even unto the end of the world." Hence, he is there with you wherever you are. He is in your home with you, so stay at home with your kinfolk: you will be better off so long as you have folk who are not immoral and unethical who are such as that exploit you. If you have a reasonable family of kin close to you then why would you want to be far from them? If they are reasonably good people then you are fortunate. Stay in your home towns if possible. People should only leave the home town when they have found employment somewheres else or when they marry and move where the spouse is and close to the place of employment. If your home town is really bad then naturally you might look to go elsewhere, just go to the nearest town that more suits you in your region; if you want a change of scenery.

"¶And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:20-21

In Luke 17 above, Jesus tells us that the kingdom of the Father is within us and we also learn that he lives in us by the substance of our faith. Hence we do not have to go out somewheres to a remote location to join in with a group to have proper fellowship with him or to learn the mysteries of his words and the prophecies. We can learn all of these things wherever we already are.

The kingdom will not come in ways seen or even via a sign, for the substance of the kingdom is in you: and that substance in you is your faith in him. You can not observe it with your eyes, one day you will however and you will know it is everywhere that you are, you will see it and your seeing will be a spiritual sight that you will have. It is not over there with them people gathered as a last day remnant group of believers: everyone claims to be a remnant group. The kingdom is over here with you where you are. It is with every believer.

"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 11:12-15

"And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them." Matthew 17:10-12

Some fellows in these times have come claiming to be Elijah. Yet Jesus told us 2000 years ago that "And if ye will receive it, this is Elias," referring to John the Baptizer. So we are not required to pay heed to anyone claiming to be Elijah in any way or fashion. Maybe the rest of Malachi 4 has to do with the reality of the name of Elijah or Eliyah which means "the Elohim is Yah" or " The Mighty One is Yawah" and we are then to remember our fathers and that our Heavenly Father is the Everlasting Mighty One Most High. If we realize Yahweh as the Mighty One Most High then we will recall how that all of the mighty men on earth and the kings alive even today here in the 21st Century, with all of the their armies combined; are but grass hoppers at the Mighty Ones feet. Which is in the spirit of the scripture where it is written that "greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world."

"Yes but I have heard that Mose and Elijah are the two witnesses in Revelations who are to come back!" If your study the prophecies of Zechariah you might glimpse the two witnesses in history being the nation of Israel and the Body of Christ. Here I am referring to the two olive trees. From the scriptures you can learn that the olive tree is a symbol for the nation of Israel and hence there are two in Zechariah. Who is the other olive tree? And hence who are the two olive branches or two witnesses?

There are too many men on earth today claiming to be prophets. Jesus told us that it would be this way and he never told us to then try and find a true prophet. Thats a fact. I can think of allot of garbage that is suppose to be prophecy and interpretations of prophecy. Remember the bottom line here, again; Jesus warned us that there would be many false christ and false prophets. He did not instruct us to turn around then and try to find a true prophet. The only prophet mentioned in the end time scenario of the Revelations of Jesus Christ that John received was the false prophet who would be on the earth at the time of the horse rider who's name is called the Word of God (KJV). This can be found in Revelation 19. In this chapter we read that the horse rider (not to be confused with the horse riders in first four seals) takes the false prophet and puts him alive in the lake of fire.

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

¶And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." Revelation 7:9-17

In Revelation 7:9-17 we read that in the end that there is no such thing as a remnant of people who have made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb, who come out of great tribulations. Instead we read that: "and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number,..These are they which came out of great tribulation,..." hence, there is no such thing as a remnant. This might be hard to believe by some because the teachings of many, by those who twist and wrest the scriptures. You can believe the men or you can believe the Word. The answer then is a great number that no man could number and not a small remnant number. Believe it or not.

"¶And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:4-5 Notice that Jesus tells us that many would come claiming that he, Jesus was the Christ. "...saying, I am Christ;..." hence notice, he did not say that they would come claiming themselves to be Christ. If someone claimed to be Jesus Christ when you know he was born in Jersey and went to a public school there; you would out right know he was a liar. Here Jesus is telling us that many would come claiming that he; Jesus, was the Christ and many people would be deceived by their profession. I know people who teach that Jesus is Christ and they use the scriptures everyday and they also mix in the motions of the planets and stars (which is astrology) with the interpretation of end time prophecy. They also mix in ufo'ology with the interpretation of the scriptures. They tell us stories of space aliens and of how they are the fathers of the giants mentioned in the Old Testament. Currently there is a spooky story of a "Planet X" being talked about on the radio broadcast that is suppose to be a end time revelation.

Some fellows are not so obvious to spot, yet, see what they teach about the salvation of Christ? Is it by way of a prayer on your knees or by understanding that we are saved by our faith in Christ? Certainly a prayer helps however if we have something to pray then it is this "Father forgive me, I did not understand that all I had to do was believe."

Dan

http://dansgate.pbwiki.com/

99% God's Truth + 1% Satan's Lie = 100% Satan's Lie

It's all or nothing.

I agree with you, Jack, about there being far more that perish than those who'll find life. I've accepted this for a very long time because of the very scripture you spoke of concerning the narrow way, but it was made real to me just recently when God showed me just how most people don't want to know the truth about anything. We as humans have a tendency to want to 'be right.' We will forsake The Truth just so we can have our own truth, and because of this I believe many will sadly enter through that broad way leading to destruction.

I'm sorry. This is off the topic.

You are not off topic, you are right on!
It is all or nothing this is so true.
We are either hot, or cold.
Can't sit on the fence either.

love,
rosie

True Perspective, your board name is quite accurate.

LOL!!! Scary

I haven't read it all because I've got to dash off. But I thought that Kabbalah was a sect of the JEwish faith. That they were regarded as mystics....and were quite scholarly. They cannot be regarded as Christian if that is the case ( I honestly cannot recall where I read this but it was in a book) - because they are Jewish and therefore deny that Jesus is the Messiah.

http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/faq.htm

Q1.1 : What is Kabbalah?
Kabbalah is an aspect of Jewish mysticism. It consists of a large body of speculation on the nature of divinity, the creation, the origin and fate of the soul, and the role of human beings. It consists also of meditative, devotional, mystical and magical practices which were taught only to a select few and for this reason Kabbalah is regarded as an esoteric offshoot of Judaism. Some aspects of Kabbalah have been studied and used by non-Jews for several hundred years - see What is Hermetic Kabbalah.


BTW - Only just looked this up. Internet was NOT where I read what I wrote prior

Speaking of Kabbalah...it was originally Babylonian and not Jewish mysicism. ALL major cults have ties to this-and many occult groups practice it.

A List-
Freemasonry, Manicheanism, Islam, Zorastrianism, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness's, Adventism, Christian Science, Scientology, Wicca, Rosicrucians, Gnosticism, OTO, Typhonian OTO, Temple of Set, Thule Society, Theosophy, Order of Saturnis, Church of Satan, New Age, Martinism, Hre Krishnas, Buddism, and probably many more...

You also failed to mention the false mystical system called "The Tree of Life" which is central to their teachings.

There are far many more cults that you did not mention but how much of this stuff has creeped into mainline churches here in America?

Right, if I had mentioned all of the false doctrines in this world as on your A list, my original post would have gone on for miles and you'd still be reading it without sleep from the day I originally posted.

I was giving a rundown in summary of what these false doctrines taught. You are quite welcome to add to any false doctrine that I may have missed or find relevant, but again, people get tired of reading 1,000 lines of text in one post. My post was trying to hit the basic points of these.
Also, as far as kabbalah goes, once you read the line "Reincarnation of the soul" that I put under that teaching, you pretty much don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that it's false doctrine.

Like I said, feel free to add any kinds of false doctrine that you find or any info that pertains to it as such. Some people have even formed a jedi religion from Star Wars, but if you list all of these false doctrines, you'll be inundated for the rest of your days.

Sothen what is implied by Rev 1:6. Arent we all priests? Men and women?

God first

Beloved Shaun333

God loves us my dear friend

I do not worry about what other churches believe but how I can love each person with the love of God

God looks at the heart not which church a person goes to

I believe if we worry more about living love than what church a person may be in the cults would close their doors because the people would see our love and want to fellowship with us

thank you

with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy

Shaun333 You should list all false doctrines and explain why they are false doctrines to you. I also have bought books that tell a little about each different religion and your first post looks the same as one of those books I have read. Jesus said "if you continue in MY WORD, you are truly Disciples of mine" John 8:31 NASB) the word "disciple" means "learner/ student". These books of theology and other books of distraction only lead astray, "Blind leading the blind". Something is messed up and those who say that they are IN Christ and still sin, well "there is no darkness in light" Jesus did not go about the earth with a firm sinless head on His shoulders with His hands slapping Himself, His body sinning against His head. But if you confess your sin He is faithful and true to cleans you from all unrighteousness. But being in Him and sin... woops went off on another subject ..heh, Yea... Read the Word over and over and over, and make sure you read all its context, not one verse a day or "chapters." Like most of Pauls writings should be read in one sitting because it clarifies the subjects he is speaking about. Sorry for being another that seems to be picking on you, I'm not. I fell for many dumb doctrines and did many stupid things, thinking I was lead by God and am still being refined. Just thought I should tell you what I've been shown.

What the Bible says for us to watch for... I am sure that there are more verses on these subjects than what I have listed.

false witness....

Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Deuteronomy 5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Deuteronomy 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;

Deuteronomy 19:18 And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;

Psalms 27:12 Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.

Psalms 35:11 False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.

Proverbs 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Proverbs 12:17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Proverbs 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.

Proverbs 21:28 A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh constantly.

Proverbs 25:18 A man that beareth false witness against his neighbour is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.

Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Matthew 26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;

Matthew 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,

Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Mark 14:56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.

Mark 14:57 And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying,

Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

Acts 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 Corinthians 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

False Pastors....

Jeremiah 10:21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.

Jeremiah 12:10 Many pastors have destroyed my vineyard, they have trodden my portion under foot, they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

False teachers and false prophets...

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

False doctrines...

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

False Doctrine of the Sacred Name Movement and Those Who Think Christians Should follow the Law

It has become clear that one false doctrine that is really making its way through the forum is the Sacred Name (SN) movement. SN's basic tenet is that the only way to salvation is to use the Hebrew name of JESUS - Yashua, Yeshua - there are many spellings of it - when baptising, healing, etc. It is also an important component for those who believe that Christians should follow the Law - basically become Jewish if you will.

This post is designed to bring attention to the false doctrine of requiring Christians to follow the Law as an act of salvation. Please visit each link carefully and prayerfully. Please be sure you are read up on Galatians. I think that this makes it pretty clear that Christians desiring to convert Judaism may, if they wish, but why go from Grace to the bondage of the Law?

Please realize my intent is not to offend anyone. It is my belief that the LORD GOD is able to know our hearts and knows what our words mean, even if we don't call JESUS by the HIS Hebrew name. It would make NO sense for the LORD GOD to make Asian believers, for example, to speak Hebrew to call upon HIM, would it? Or any other gentile believer for that matter. So the basic tenet of the SN movement that says salvation only comes to those who use the PROPER NAME of JESUS - the Hebrew name YESHUA, YASHUA, etc - is incorrect.

Here is an example of a web site dedicated to Christians following the Law:

http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html

Although the author of the site claims he is in not involved in the SN movement,
the author is stating the same thing the SN movement does - you need to use the Hebrew name for JESUS when praying, etc. He says you don't have to say it the way he does to be saved, but then goes on to contradict himself:

"The name of Yahushua is intricately linked with the person of Yahushua. So in light of the numerous scriptures which show us the importance of His name, we should at least seek to understand how it is pronounced. It is obviously important according to scripture."

I don't mean to pick on that one web site, but it is typical of what I have seen.

The other problem with SN is that there are so many spellings and pronunciations of the Hebrew name of JESUS! One says it is one way, then another refutes that and says another is better.

This is part and parcel of the Sacred Name movement.

As far as Christians needing to keep the Law, please consider the following to the following web site:

http://www.amfi.org

This is important! This is the web site for the American Messianic Fellowship International. AMFI has existed since the late 1800's and was started to help Christians understand our Jewish roots. The site is VERY informative and the questions and answers in the mailbag section are also very well thought out. The author of answers often uses the names JESUS CHRIST and YESHUA interchangably. I think you will find it very interesting - I know I have!

Check out these questions and answers in the Mailbag section:

http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/Galatianism.htm (Galatianism)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/GentileSabbath.htm (Gentiles deceived by worshipping on Sunday?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/Sabbath2Sunday.htm (When did Christian day of worship change from Saturday to Sunday?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/shabbat.htm (How should christians keep the Sabbath?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/laworfaith.htm (Is a man justified by faith of the law?)
http://www.amfi.org/mailbag/repentancetoo.htm )Is truting JESUS/YESHUA enough? What about repentance?)

Here is an important question from the AMFI mailbag:



AMFI is, of course, not the ultimate authority, but their approach definitely makes sense. It appeals to the Messianic Jew and the Christian.

Again, this is aimed at the SN movement and those that claim Christians should follow the Torah. To those peole who teach that I say the following: You are teaching a false salvation doctrine!

Paul wrote in Galatians:

Ga 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into BONDAGE:
Ga 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in BONDAGE under the elements of the world:
Ga 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in BONDAGE ?
Ga 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of BONDAGE.


Peace to you all in the Name above all Names, JESUS CHRIST (or YESHUA if you prefer)

Todd

Jeff "the learner", by your name here I would encourage you to put up the details of as many false doctrines as you would like. As far as cherry picking verses, I study the ENTIRE meaning of verses etc. when studying the Bible. You are not another that is picking on what I wrote, just another with an opinion for better or worse. Write whatever you would like. I don't have a lot of time, having just moved and will not be here much from now on, only posting periodically, so feel free to not just comment, but put up some details regarding false doctrine yourself.
That's what this thread is for. Like I said before, and will again for the last time, I din't want to inundate my post with 8 million trillion false doctrines. I put what I felt to be some of the ones that you see often. Of course there are many others.

My first post is information gathered from "information" and facts regarding what these false doctrines teach. Of course I didn't just pull all of this info out of my head as I was typing. You have to look these things up, research and study what they teach. That's what I did and put them in list form. Many things I had known from past knowledge. Whether it looks like info from a book you read or not, they will be the same false teachings whether you find them in a book, newspaper or on a paper towel. It's information, period. Where they are written doesn't change what they are. That was the point, to give some info on what they teach. Looking up statistics about car wrecks doesn't change the numbers whether they are taken from a DMV site or a stat sheet from a library. The numbers are what they are. You can read one line or two from any of the false dcotrines listed and realize that they don't worship Jesus and or don't follow the Bible. Cherry picking false doctrine verses doesn't apply here. Example being reincarnation.

Again, I suggest you add your own info, either something you've learned or have facts on, if you aren't satisfied by the postings you've seen. Todd posted some info after this post as well.

On a brief summary note, these are false doctrines to me because they deny Jesus as God in the flesh, and that He died for our sins, not to mention preaching opposite of God's Word. Plain and simple.


Edit in:

By the way, I completely disagree with you implying that books or just straight facts on what false religions teach is a "distraction" or a "blind leading the blind" kind of thing. Number one I wouldn't buy a book just on "religions" and the information within. If I were to buy a book like this, I would want it to be Christian based or written by a Christian author explaining why these false teachings are as such, and to explain it within the context of the Bible by comparison, not some scientist or humanist author for example.

Having this info is relevant and not distracting because it is good to have when confronted for example by a jehova's witness. They will come at you with much biblical truth with some lies interwoven as some false doctrines will do. If you know where the lies are, because you have studied these things, you will be better prepared.

i do not know anything about the Sacred Name movement. i do not study other religions, because the time i spend doing that, i could have been studying the word of Yahweh . { This is NOT a slap at anyone who does study other religions! }

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{{Here is an example of a web site dedicated to Christians following the Law:

http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html

Although the author of the site claims he is in not involved in the SN movement,
the author is stating the same thing the SN movement does - you need to use the Hebrew name for JESUS when praying, etc. He says you don't have to say it the way he does to be saved, but then goes on to contradict himself:

"The name of Yahushua is intricately linked with the person of Yahushua. So in light of the numerous scriptures which show us the importance of His name, we should at least seek to understand how it is pronounced. It is obviously important according to scripture."

I don't mean to pick on that one web site, but it is typical of what I have seen.

The other problem with SN is that there are so many spellings and pronunciations of the Hebrew name of JESUS! One says it is one way, then another refutes that and says another is better.

This is part and parcel of the Sacred Name movement.}}

QUOTE

{{The SN movement says that to be saved, one must say the name of the LORD using the Hebrew pronunciation only (reasons provided on the web sites via the links I included), and that the name of JESUS is a pagan name meaning 'son of Zeus' or 'Healing of Zeus'.}}

You wrote this on another post about the SN movement.

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{{Here is an example of a web site dedicated to Christians following the Law:

http://www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html}}

This is from the page on the link you gave from Eliyah -

{{ While there are some out there claiming that "Jesus" is somehow derived from "Zeus", I have yet to find anyone who is willing to present hard evidence of this claim. One person wrote a book which claimed that "Iesous" means "Hail Zeus". When I contacted him by phone and asked him for evidence of this claim, he said "Iesous" means "Hail Zeus" in the sense that when you say the "Ie" it sounds like "Yaayy" and "Yaayy" is what people do in modern sports games when they hail their team. Thus, the statement that "Iesous" meant "Hail Zeus" had nothing to do with its meaning in the Greek language.
In fact, the Greek language spells Zeus (#2203 in the Strong's Lexicon) as ZeuV and doesn't even have the same letters or sound as the second syllable in IhsouV (Iesous). First of all, the Z in ZeuV produces a "dz" sound, not an "s" sound. Also the eu combination in ZeuV sounds like "eu as in feud", a letter combination not found in any form of IhsouV/Iesous. So is ZeuV is actually pronounced "Dzyooce" and not "Sooce". These things alone make it appear quite impossible that Iesous comes from "Zeus". Look at the first page of the Greek Lexicon in your Strong's concordance if you want confirmation of the sounds of these Greek letters.
Another important point is that the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures that was completed many years before Yahushua came to earth, also rendered the Hebrew name "Yahushua" as IhsouV (Iesous). This fact alone clearly demonstrates that "Iesous" is a Greek form of and wasn't a form invented by apostate Christians who wanted to honor Zeus in some way.
Interestingly, there is evidence that although the name of Yahushua was written in Greek as IhsouV, it may have actually been pronounced the way a Hebrew speaking person would pronounce it. Around 178 CE, a pagan by the name of Celsus engaged in written debates with Christians. In one of them, Celsus (speaking of Christians) said:
"But of course they think otherwise: they assume that by pronouncing the name of their teacher they are armored against the powers of the earth and air. And they are quite insistent on the efficacy of the name as a means of protection: pronounce it improperly, they say, and it is ineffective. Greek and Latin will not do; it must be said in a barbarian tongue to work. Silly as they are, one finds them standing next to a a statue of Zeus or Apollo or some other god, and shouting, "see here: I blaspheme it and strike it, but it is powerless against me for I am a Christian." Celsus on the True Doctrine, A Discourse Against the Christians, R. Joseph Hoffman (page118)
Notice that Celsus was quoting Christians as saying that the name of "their teacher" (Yahushua no doubt) must not be spoken "improperly" and that it must not be spoken in a "Greek" way or "Latin" way, but in a "Barbarian tongue" for it to be effective. Of course, to the pagans the Hebrew language was nothing more than a barbarian language. This lends evidence that even though the name of Yahushua was written as IhsouV, there were at least some people speaking it in the Hebrew way. The Greek alphabet simply lacks the letters necessary to correctly convey how the name is pronounced in Hebrew...}}




He says he is NOT apart of any of those movements and you are calling him a liar. ?

Do you not believe that bearing false witness is one of the things Yahweh hates??? Or do you believe that this was done away with also???

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exodus 20:15-17 (in Context)

Deuteronomy 5:20
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Deuteronomy 5:19-21 (in Context)

Proverbs 25:18
A man that beareth false witness against his neighbour is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.
Proverbs 25:17-19 (in Context)

Matthew 19:18
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:17-19 (in Context)

Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mark 10:18-20 (in Context)

Luke 18:20
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Luke 18:19-21 (in Context)

Romans 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Romans 13:8-10 (in Context)


May Yahweh open our eyes so we can see His truth. Amen

Sorry Shaun333, I kind of went off subject and thought I would add in my thoughts on Theology Books, commentaries est... All I know is many go to Bible college on fire and seeing, but leave apathetic and blind. Historic information is good if you can discern bias’s. But the Lord does lead you to read other books at times for greater understanding if you ask it of Him. But my views are clear and simple: Jesus is the Mana from heaven which we should eat and dine with. Jesus is the Teacher, and all the Words in the whole bible spoken by Yah, is Jesus The Living Word. But are connection to eternal life is in the “Good News!” Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

BatYah,
My desire is NOT to get into a argument with you. I am not calling the man a liar or bearing false witness against him, either. I am pointing out how what he preaches is the same as the SN movement, and how, in my opinion, he contradicts himself. That is not bearing false witness. His explanation of salvation is right on. If EliYah wants to use YAHUSHUA instead of JESUS, go ahead. Either name is fine.

One site that disputes the SN movement is http://www.letusreason.org. Please give that a shot as well.

Sorry, don't mean to offend you. But I still think the SN movement is a false doctrine, and puts an unnecessary burden on the believer in JESUS CHRIST. In addition, many SN sites denegrate the name of JESUS CHRIST. One example is http://members.fortunecity.com/yahuwthah/jesus666.htm which claims the name of JESUS is the number of the beast!


Be careful out there and pray!

The grace of our Lord Yahshua the Messiah be with your spirit, brother. Amen.

Shalom Todd,

You do NOT have to worry about getting into an argument with me

i will NOT argue over religion, i find it to be futile to argue about it.



You have NOT offended me.

The SN movement MAY be a false doctrine, i do not know because as i have already said, i do not know anything about the Sacred Name movement. i do not take time to study other religions, because the time i spend doing that, i could be studying the word of Yahweh.

i said what i said to you because i was concerned for you.

You said that this about the SN movement-




On the link that you gave Eliyah said this -


{{ While there are some out there claiming that "Jesus" is somehow derived from "Zeus", I have yet to find anyone who is willing to present hard evidence of this claim. One person wrote a book which claimed that "Iesous" means "Hail Zeus". When I contacted him by phone and asked him for evidence of this claim, he said "Iesous" means "Hail Zeus" in the sense that when you say the "Ie" it sounds like "Yaayy" and "Yaayy" is what people do in modern sports games when they hail their team. Thus, the statement that "Iesous" meant "Hail Zeus" had nothing to do with its meaning in the Greek language.
In fact, the Greek language spells Zeus (#2203 in the Strong's Lexicon) as ZeuV and doesn't even have the same letters or sound as the second syllable in IhsouV (Iesous). First of all, the Z in ZeuV produces a "dz" sound, not an "s" sound. Also the eu combination in ZeuV sounds like "eu as in feud", a letter combination not found in any form of IhsouV/Iesous. So is ZeuV is actually pronounced "Dzyooce" and not "Sooce". These things alone make it appear quite impossible that Iesous comes from "Zeus". Look at the first page of the Greek Lexicon in your Strong's concordance if you want confirmation of the sounds of these Greek letters.
Another important point is that the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures that was completed many years before Yahushua came to earth, also rendered the Hebrew name "Yahushua" as IhsouV (Iesous). This fact alone clearly demonstrates that "Iesous" is a Greek form of and wasn't a form invented by apostate Christians who wanted to honor Zeus in some way.
Interestingly, there is evidence that although the name of Yahushua was written in Greek as IhsouV, it may have actually been pronounced the way a Hebrew speaking person would pronounce it. Around 178 CE, a pagan by the name of Celsus engaged in written debates with Christians. In one of them, Celsus (speaking of Christians) said:
"But of course they think otherwise: they assume that by pronouncing the name of their teacher they are armored against the powers of the earth and air. And they are quite insistent on the efficacy of the name as a means of protection: pronounce it improperly, they say, and it is ineffective. Greek and Latin will not do; it must be said in a barbarian tongue to work. Silly as they are, one finds them standing next to a a statue of Zeus or Apollo or some other god, and shouting, "see here: I blaspheme it and strike it, but it is powerless against me for I am a Christian." Celsus on the True Doctrine, A Discourse Against the Christians, R. Joseph Hoffman (page118)
Notice that Celsus was quoting Christians as saying that the name of "their teacher" (Yahushua no doubt) must not be spoken "improperly" and that it must not be spoken in a "Greek" way or "Latin" way, but in a "Barbarian tongue" for it to be effective. Of course, to the pagans the Hebrew language was nothing more than a barbarian language. This lends evidence that even though the name of Yahushua was written as IhsouV, there were at least some people speaking it in the Hebrew way. The Greek alphabet simply lacks the letters necessary to correctly convey how the name is pronounced in Hebrew...}}




i agree, either name is fine, Yahshua KNOWS who you are talking to whether someone calls Him Jesus or Yahshua

Maybe this is why He is given a new name ???

Revelation 3:12
I will make him who wins the victory a pillar in the Temple of my God, and he will never leave it. Also I will write on him the name of my God and the name of my God's city, the new Yerushalayim coming down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

As far as someone focusing on His name, EVERYONE should, whether you call Him Yahshua or Jesus. The word of Yahweh has a lot to say about it

May Yahweh cover you in His perfect shalom and pour out His wisdom upon you.
In Yahshua's Holy name, Amen.

Its a big deal but its not what Jesus Or Yeshua wanted you to do, He wants you to speak His Word. Its in the Words of the Father (THE VINE) that the Father sees His "Only Begotten- (The One in whom He is well pleased!)."

But anyway you both should take a quick look at this site:
http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/transliteration.html

My concern for those who have a tendancy to like to read these false teachers is that because they really haven't studied the bible, or are very new baby Christians, they will fall pray to these false teachings.

But I have seen alot lately this laziness with many christians who just want someone else to teach them what God is saying. This lazinesses is causing alot of people to fall pray to these false teachings. I've seen many Christians follow "annointed leaders" and believing everything they hear from these people. So many are not being taught to listen to the Holy Spirit and to take time to abide in Christ and learn the truth, from the one who is truth. Even God warns us not to trust anything or anyone, but we are to trust Him. I've even met ordained Pastors who have never read the entire bible. How can this be? Reading the bible once from page 1 to the very end, isn't enough, you need to start again and again. Each time we'll learn more from the Holy Spirit. Ignorance is not bless, Ignorance can destroy. God says that my people perish from lack of knowledge. Paul warns us to stay away from every new teaching, he called them foolish woman, (this goes for guys too.) We need to stop being drawn into these false things, and instead take the time to just be with Jesus, be in the Word and trust what is written. If you don't understand it now, that's ok, ask and He will tell you when He feels your ready. Be patient as he teaches you. He will never lead you astray. But Satan will. Satan knows scripture better than anyone, so yes, you will see and hear many so called teachers or other religions speaking something from the bible, but then you'll notice little things, that aren't quite right, or you'll see other religious views mixed in. Some will be obvious, and some will be very hard to discern. Satan is very deivious, and he will manipulate God's word and create confusion and doubt. He will try to get you to believe a lie and he's good at it. That's why it is best to just stick to the Word and let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth.

One way the Holy Spirit will warn you, when you are not able to discern from your mind, is that He will give you almost a physical response, some call it a prompting, it may be like a sick feeling in your stomach, or a headache or a feeling of being overwhelmed, or being light headed. This will happen when there is danger or something that is wrong spiritualy. Many don't pay attention to this, they discount it, and they feel like they have to figure it out for themselves. Sometimes you simply won't know what's wrong with something that you are hearing or reading, but when you are aware of this prompting, you learn to heed it and not question. Sometimes the Holy Spirit may also have you to investigate it, but it will usually be in the word, and it will be work. But eventually you'll know the truth.

A timely thought. Storm you are right. The Holy Spirit tells me when something isn't right, and I too get that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, and it is usually followed with a headache. GOD gets my attention, and I seek answers in HIS WORD.

Take heed last you fall prey. The devil is roaming to and fro seeking who he can devour.

It is better to trust in the WORD of GOD than the teachings of men.