In a forum like this, I think that we should be careful, every one of us. When we seek out God he reveals things to everyone of us. He does so in a different manner. No person is the same. But when we strive to learn outside of Gods bounderies we sin. That was the initial sin of Adam and Eve. The desire of Knowledge of good and evil, not reliance on God. Have faith in God and the Cross. Let Gods will work in you, not you working in Gods will. God must come first. Do not strive for knowledge that is not given for you. God will reward those who do so, and do it with wisdom. I ask God for wisdom as oft as I may, God is very serious when he talks about false prophets and those who sway other people (esp. children) away from God. That is why I try to state that which God lays on my heart and soul, I try to read the Bible and Pray before I sit down to write. God will give us wisdom if we ask for it. But do not sit idly by waiting for devine revelation, but look in His Word. For out of the Bible no lie can come.

Well said!

Touch not my annointed,do my prophets no harm.

1; Corinthians 1;26-31.......Brothers, think of what you were when you were called.Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential;not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise;
God chose the
weak things of the world to shame the strong,He chose the lowly things of this world and the dispised things and the things that are not--to nullify the things that are.so that no one can boast before him.
It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God.,that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.Therefore, as it is written,Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.
Dean I know Gods hand is on your life,Dont look to the left or the right keep you eyes fastened on Jesus and He will give you the desires of your heart as you trust Him fully.

I agree with Clara,

We must lift this web forum up to the Lord and one antother.

Miche

Well spoken. All prophecy and truth has already been caused to be written and has been preserved in our Bible. Much of the understanding of prophecy regarding these days were sealed up by the Holy Spirit until the time He would illuminate the Scriptures for those who seek him in the last days. See Daniel 12: 8-13. So its wise to keep watch for in Rev 3:3 the Lord is speaking directly to the Church, there can be no debate about that.

Amen and amen!!
Cornelius

Hi everyone,
I have joined the forum about a week ago and have been blessed! I thank God for finding you! I am soooo eager to learn from all of you. However I too agree that God's words in His Holy Bible are the final authority in everthing in our lives.
The Holy Spirit will show us how to live as believers in Christ!

I do enjoy reading from all of you and having christian fellowship together. This forum and all of you on it will be in our prayers.

Our God is awesome and I am thankful to be alive in these interesting times we live in.

God's peace be with you all and thank you for having such a wonderful christian site to come to


Love you all,
your sisiter in Christ
Rosie

Wecome Rosie! We have a great fellowship here and so glad you have joined us!

Hi Rosie,

WELCOME!! Glad you joined us.

Eze 13:16 [To wit], the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and [there is] no peace, saith the Lord GOD.

False prophets were false prophets if they saw peace for Jerusalem. Go figure.

1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

I read the contract and I see down there in the fine print that New Testament prophecy is somehow validated by scripture. I am sure that is to be within the frame work of what God has already said, and therefore those who follow along in it must surely speak accordingly...no new revelations, just louvered slants on the old. That is why the word is eternal. We live in a time when a scorpion with a tail that stings may be a Cobra helicopter.


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:

Seems to me the fivefold ministry (including prophet) is ordained of God to do the opposite of what people fear. People fear preaching falsehoods...But actually, the word says the ministry is for unity of faith, knowledge of the Son, the perfect man, the stature of Christ, no longer decieved by sleight of hand, growing up into Him in ALL THINGS.

Yet many insist the opposite. Church on fire? Throw out the pastors, be delivered of the tithe, fire the prophets and pastors..."Give me liberty or give me death!"

Can you explain a bit more what you mean please Whosoever ?

Yeah...I was just going to say l don't get this

"Seems to me the fivefold ministry (including prophet) is ordained of God to do the opposite of what people fear. People fear preaching falsehoods...But actually, the word says the ministry is for unity of faith, knowledge of the Son, the perfect man, the stature of Christ, no longer deceived by sleight of hand, growing up into Him in ALL THINGS".

I don't think my pastor thinks the 5 fold is for today...??? But he may be changing a bit....Glad l didn't leave in a huff

Hang in there everybody...God is doing a work!!!!

Even if you have too... for a little while

I am in agrreement with Whosoever, that it will be a false Peace and the anti-Christ will claim to be Victorious.
God said he will build a wall of Fire around Jerusalem?
Could someone please help in this part of Bible study?
Am I being ignorant when I beleive through prayer and repentance that this fire of protection will be the sword and the sheild and the armor of God placed on his Saints?

SERMON ON THE MOUNT
In Christ Jesus our LORD, bless you all

The bible says we have these ministries, and yet people flinch at them. They trust no one. Someone has to be trusted with the edification of the church in order that we grow up into Him. It seems most ministry functions have to spend their entire time serving Him by justifying who they are and what they said and why they said it. It is a catch 22 that keeps bona fide ministries from flourishing I think...

Earlier threads by a noted ambassador of unswerving dogmatism has implied that pastors and prophets and tithing are to be disdained. Basicaly throw out the "hierarchy" of church leadership. I could stand to be corrected on that, and likely will be as there is another opportunity for someone to fire a warning shot across my bow.

Paul talks about overseers .

There are undoubtedly differing levels of responsibilities in a church .

Hierarchies , pecking orders ? Hopefully not .

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Re different styles of Church . I went to a Church once which was very topend dominated , ( i.e vocal pastor ) , and their bent was prosperity .
Fridges for all etc .

It didn't seem to me where I was at , so I left .

I have been in a black church where the Pastor was aggressively 'go-getting' ..........it seemed to me an unusual message , but relevant to the reality of those people in that Church . Was it the work of the holy Spirit ............?.

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Actually the ambassador of non-heirarchical Churches ( whoever he is ) surely has a very important point . A lot of Churches seem to get fixated with the voice of their Pastor . How many of these Pastors delegate ? And yet Paul , the man with the most singular message , was a great planter and delegater .

It is clear and we have been warned. In these times there will be many false prophets. Let them spread their lies they will only deceive those who are not well armored by the Word of God.

It is up to each and every follower of the Messiah Jesus to read and test the words of the prophets to see if they are in alignment with the Word of God. Those who have been given the gift of wisdom will not be fooled. Those who have rejected the Love of the truth will be given over to deception.

So let the false prophets tickle the ears of the proud, they will lead them into destruction. But you keep your eye on Jesus and believe Him. Accept the love of His truth. Be guarded by Him. Trust in Him. Test the ground you are building on, find out if it is the Rock or if it is sand.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Who...You are absolutely right when you say this:

"Someone has to be trusted with the edification of the church in order that we grow up into Him".
Because the Pastor is busy trying to be all things to all people....

Who....You said in another post under counting the cost the following which l think fits right in:

"The most immediate aim and goal in the church is to reach the point where we do not have to spend (because of necessity) all of our time interceding for the people in the church. But to bring the church up to the revelation where they can (are enabled to) have peace and rest from all their enemies (manifestations of the law of sin and death) by the exercising of their own faith in the Word of God. This will free those who are called by God as delegated authorities to the duty of waiting upon God (ministering to Him). In this way they shall receive the necessary revelation knowledge to "feed" their sheep through the continual administration of God's life and light. (2 Chronicles 23:25b-26)"
How ever this part might become suspect..."the duty of waiting upon God (ministering to Him)".
Somebody could have a field day with that one couldn't they...

And what about elder disagreements...who steps in then....The prophet to settle it?
Scary stuff...That wouldn't be part of the prophets roll...He'd have to resist...?

What about apostle...Was their job done at the founding of the church? We don't need anymore new churches we just need to fix the ones we've got..

And then there's the teaching nightmare...

Who says:

"I am sure that is to be within the frame work of what God has already said, and therefore those who follow along in it must surely speak accordingly..."

People try to stick there supposed word of knowledge in here and it confuses people.

The word of wisdom is confusing for some too. People don't even understand how the gifts work...

What about apostle...Was their job done at the founding of the church? We don't need anymore new churches we just need to fix the ones we've got..

And then there's the teaching nightmare...

That is a good statement. It kind of sounds like the church I grew up in. We had men leave our church to build another. We have lost a lot of good people in that church, because of this.

There are a lot of things that I am confused on, but I keep praying and slowly I believe God has been directing me to some things that are in the bible, that make since with what I am confused about. I will admit I don't understand how the gifts work. I have faith in God and in this forum. A lot of you are doing great works and have opened my eyes. I was not looking for a christian forum when I found this forum. I had never even known that there was such a thing. I know God must have put it right in front of my face. Bless you all and thank you for your knowledge.
Love~Stacy

In reply to bold print statement...

Apostles (Paul the example) planted churches and then went about the business of overseeing them and travelling about to visit them. He set up ministery to operate in his stead...eg Timothy...

Tis true........

People are holding their dollar until its proved legit...

And with good reason. Expect to be tested....

In response to the highlight I created in quoting Miki,

I do not think it is suspect to say "the duty of waiting upon God (ministering to Him)"

Let us see that the only thing Jesus acknowledged to Martha before the time of Lazarus' death and resurrection, was that Mary had chosen a higher order in worshipping at His feet. If we are to go forward in all the other "cumbersome serving" then we need to wait on God and place Him first. It is then that break through comes, even to a resurrection.

Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.:

But the judge the fruit....

If we aren't sure when we look....One little taste is all it takes. SOMETIMES...

Don't confuse this with tastes that need to be aquired.

When you feed a baby new foods you don't always get a happy little response.
Sometimes you have to introduce new foods slowly or they get spit back out.
And sometimes we get egg on our face.

Hi Rosie, I too am new, and enjoy this sight very much, God is drawing his people closer to him and what better way than the forum to encourage one another in the Lord.Its like we know one another .and thats the way it should be in the spirit.
Shekel is doing a great work for the Lord. We all need to pray for Dean and the moderaters daily that God will bless them and use them for his glory.Miche has been doing this work for a long time and I want to say thanks for the great work you have done ,may the Lord richly bless you in his service

of course, but at the same time we shouldn't just throw money in a mad oblivion...

We don't have to naive.... Its unfortunate that alot of ministries have made us a little defensive and skeptical... but that's regardless........ you still watch, observe...

http://www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth/Where...pillarsgone.mp3

thresholdguardian, and Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Revelation truth be to you that seek God through the LORD Jesus Christ.

thresholdguardian..

I have not even read the responses to this thread starter but I will right after I just say to you great post.

There is only one line that I would like to be made clear.

you wrote..
"For out of the Bible no lie can come."

That is completely true if the Holy Spirit is teaching you. However the problem
is that many lies have come directly from mans vain attempt to gain knowledge
from the scriptures through their own intelligence and not through revelation by
God's Holy Spirit.
It is written.
1Cor.11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to
himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

There are many people running to and fro trying to get reveletion knowledge from
other sources besides God. The victory in each individuals walk rests in hearing
from the LORD Jesus himself not reading what others have 'supposedly' heard
from Him.
There are prophets of God in the body of Christ. But there are far more 'false'
prophets than there are true ones. Jesus told us to "Beware!"

Many of them speak and write things that are in direct opposition to the Word of
God and yet they are actually believed by many in the lukewarm church of today.

Have FAITH IN GOD not men.
Without Faith it's impossible to please Him.
Faith comes by hearing.
Hearing comes by the Word of God.

Peace, Tom

Ive learnt the hard way that mans word can falter and human emotion and personal views can get in the way, God is straight down the line, no gray areas with Him! Thats why it is SO important to seek God and the Holy Spirit's council before reading the word of God. I cant explain it but when you do that , the bible speaks to you.

It's hard isn't Tom But these are extraordinary times.

The Lord has also warned us that in the end days all manner of people will be prophesying, having dreams and visions. Why?

Why just in the last days and not all the time?

Why would would he bring it up at all? Why not just leave it at the fact that when we're saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit, signs and wonders will follow?

Why did he make the extra point of telling us that in the last days he would pour out his spirit on all flesh? Why all flesh? Why not just the saved? Good question huh.

He makes sun and rain to fall on all...Maybe he's dong the same thing with his Holy Spirit because there is such a wave coming that will effect so many people?

I don't know the answer...
I don't know the mind of God.
But it might give us the clue to why we are hearing so much out there.

We have certain guild lines. BASIC GUILD LINES. Because if so many people are going to be experiencing the Holy Spirit with out the knowledge of the Bible we can only use the basics with these people.

I would say prepare yourself because this is only a drizzle compared to what's coming.

We can't fit God in a box. What happened in the Old Testament is past.

What's coming will be extrodinary and he warns us with a statement like pouring His Spirit out on all flesh.

Get ready...don't judge to harshly..Test and look at the heart as well as the letter of the law. Don't sweep away what God would keep.

God's blessing to you Tom...because you are so anxious to please him and do what's right. I praise God for you. A faithful dedicated servant.

In all fairness l want to post the following quote from an author l trust.

"Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant" (1 Corinthians 12:1). It was Paul's desire that Christians understand the gifts and their functions.

It is truly a remarkable negative that many churches and denominations function in the extremes with regard to the gifts of which Paul does not want them to be ignorant. And, by so doing, they fall into the very morass of ignorance that Paul wanted them to avoid.

On the one hand, some churches have summarily dismissed the gifts and their function based upon preconceived notions of "cessationism." This is done in spite of Paul's clear admonition in 1 Corinthians 14:1 where he says, "Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy" (emphasis added).

On the other hand, some churches exalt the gifts of God beyond the Word of God and seemingly, sometimes, even beyond God Himself. Some even accept supposed prophecies without spiritual discernment or carefully weighing what is said in light of the Scriptures, upon which all of our spiritual discernment and judgments should be based. Paul is every bit as clear on this point when he says, "Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said . . . The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace" (emphasis added, 1 Corinthians 14:29, 32-33a).

The Scriptural Balance
There is a Scriptural balance for which each Christian is responsible to strive. The gifts are for today and serve as a blessing to the church and to its function in both edifying the body of Christ and extending the kingdom of God. However, these gifts are grace gifts given to help Christians function in the ministry to which God has called them, and these gifts should not be elevated above their God-given stature. They are spiritual, but they do not make the recipient supra-spiritual. Paul, once again, shows the balance that we must have: "Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good" (1 Thessalonians 5:19-21).

The Balance

On the Negative side:, Paul says, (1) Don't put out the Spirit's fire, and (2) Don't treat prophecies with contempt.

On the Positive side:, Paul says,, (1) Test everything, and (2) Hold on to the good.

The Categories
As indicated above, some have helpfully categorized the nine gifts of 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 into three groups:

(1) Revelation Gifts. These are those that impart supernatural knowledge: word of wisdom, word of knowledge, and discernings of
spirits.

(2) Power Gifts. These are those that impart the ability to act in supernatural ways: faith, the workings of miracles, and the gifts of healings.

(3) Vocal Gifts. These are those that impart power to speak supernaturally: prophecy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues.

Supernatural in Origin
The nine gifts of 1 Corinthians 12:8-10 are supernatural in origin. However, the operation of these nine gifts is produced by a combination of the Divine and the human. It is a proverbial statement, within those circles of which this researcher has been a part, that God is not looking for perfect vessels in which to pour his gifts, only open and willing ones. So, while the gifts are supernatural in origin, the pneumatic is natural and subject to erring, and thus he or she must be willing to submit to correction and instruction by those in leadership who judge the supernatural gifts expressed through natural humans: "Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said" (1 Corinthians 14:29).

Understanding the Gifts Biblically
It has been shown that to understand and function in the gifts, one must understand them biblically; that is, one must understand their proper nomenclatures and functions from the exact Scriptural titles and implied exercises found within the pages of Scripture.

Too often people have been falsely armed with incorrect gift titles, labels, names, and designations. And, many have also been erroneously outfitted with gifts-function ideas that arise from personal, so-called spiritual experiences. This ill-equipping has done untold damage both to the church's theology of the gifts and to people in all theological camps. As indicated above, some have rejected and simply dismissed the gifts, and others have revered and nearly deified them.

Gifts-Theology Based in the Scriptures
It is only when our gifts-theology is firmly founded and based in the Scriptures that we can be sure and safe in the operation of the giftedness with which God has equipped us. It is within this biblical mind set that our charismatic exercises will serve as a humbling agent, attesting to our deep need for an intervention of the hand of God. It is also only within this biblical mind set that our charismatic exercises can truly benefit the body of Christ and serve to honor the giver of the gifts.

In all of this, the conclusion, though clearly and obviously missed by many, is rudimentary: it is fundamental that our gifts-theology must dawn, proceed, and set with the Scriptures". Ric Walston

Miki,
So there is a grey area in prophesing? The wheat and the tare. The decieiver and the deliverer.

ASK SEEK KNOCK...it may be in the timeing, it may be more than we are ready for, it may be seen as evil when it is actually good. The possiblities with God and his understanding is not our understanding and there are NO boundaries but for what he wishes to be revealed through our desire to know him and receive instruction...but through prayer and surrender knowing ahead of time that he is providing us with a SEED planted in our hearts to give unconditionally. But if this seed is used for gain then it becomes a stone. Just some thoughts and I MUST PRAY and do so willing. This part of us all who feel like the chains are broken...because our spirit is willing ...and I am here to tell you that I am overjoyed...for GOD is moving mountains in my life and I praise him every day for having him lead me to this site. crying but joyful, so the cup LET IT RUN OVER and LET HIS SPIRIT RENEW EACH DAY...FOR the MANNA from HEAVEN IS POURING DOWN AS I SPEAK.


God is ALL knowing and ALL powerful...and his spirit is LOVE.
Perfect LOVE casts out Fear.

Have we ever been a witness to perfect love? I beleive without a doubt I have, and yet the giver or the receiver when receiving it is in no need of discernment is neccessary...and therefore the grey area disappears. For it is by Faith we accept it and IT"S MERCY and GRACE....Forgiveness

I must trust Jesus completely....and even though there is no Fear in Perfect Love, we must not forget that the Fear of the LORD is the beginning of Wisdom.
We know right from wrong because something that may seem to good to be true ...gives us fear with caution and for a reason, it's God's way of protecting us from harm. Better to be cautious than sorry.

We're the only grey area. Our ability to receive.

In some simplicities of thought you exude great depth. Like looking at one's reflection in a still small pool. Well spoken thou good and faithful servant...

Consider this as you discern false prophets:

"The Man Of Sin"

It is now time for an unpleasant revelation!

Well, what about a man of sin? Who is he? Where is he? Who is this son of destruction? Being perdition means destruction? Who then is this man of iniquity: who lives by injustices and inequity? Who slights the standard weights and who's balances he measures by, are unjust. Who abides by the standards and the laws only when it suits his purpose for gain: who is a gainsayer that says things because he only stands to gain things. Who is liberal about everything coming and going without checks and balances. And who allows murderers to flourish and who weakens the nations. Who keeps back the wages and the gold and silver from the poor. Who looks upon men narrowly and with lifted up eyes and a proud look above his fellows. Who's mighty one most high is gain, yea even ill gotten gain. Who robs his fellow man and his own nation. Who gives away the inheritance of the land to foreigners. Who gives away the benefits and the peoples money to others who do not work for it: yea, who are not even natural citizens of his nation? Who betrays all on all sides: yea, the peoples of his nation also.

Who among the nations can ever trust such a man amongst them? What nations would trust such a man in another nation?

Now El Sabaoth or The Mighty One of Armies which we translate in KJV text as "Lord of host" says this, as it is already written. Regarding the last day when the Mighty One of Armies returns: being the Day of the Lord -KJV; more specifically the Day of Yawah. "¶Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the laborers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth.: James 5:1-4 -KJV Behold! Look! Observe this!

No man alive who is of a righteous spirit and heart would want their name to be numbered under the names of the wicked. And such good souls would also defend the names of those wrongly numbered with the wicked by men's ill spoken words: for many will slander and libel the names of the righteous. Here were the spirit of this age is all about statistics and demographics; and about supposed scientific polls of the population. Where they look upon men as mere cattle in the field to be numbered and profiled and hence exploited and plundered by propaganda and commercialism. Where they call us all the end users and the consumers. Being they see us as the consumers of their garbage and industrial waste they package up in pretty packages and call "food additives." Where they fleece the sheep and pull the wool down over peoples eyes by slight of hand parlor tricks. You know, you watch television and listen to the radio. Here where tons of trash mail goes out to mail boxes around the world everyday. Where tons of useless paper goes to the garbage dumps and land fills everyday.

Certainly we would not want our names numbered under the names of the wicked. The meaning of such wicked lives is as the useless refuse paper that rots in heaps at the garbage dumps. Good for nothing but to be burned; that the land might be cleansed.

It is a hard thing for us to understand this mystery of iniquity even though it means the mystery of inequity: of unfairness and injustice. Of how injustices exist is such a modern world? After all the ages of man that has gone before us? Yet it was so; long ago, in such creatures of flesh as we are even now. All men from then to now (and yet to come) sin and fall short of the glory of Yawah. We all are fallen short of the glory of God as we understand in the King's English Version (KJV).

There is only one immaculate one, one true divine and sinless one, and there never will be another such as He; for He was first in the beginning with the Father and all things made were made by Him. He was in the beginning and He was the Lamb slain from the foundations of the creation. Even before the world ever began. He who is the only sinless one. Who died in our place to redeem us creatures of flesh from our sins and the sting of sin which is death. Who died for us creatures who know not what we do. We conceited creatures so sure that we understand ourselves and this existence? We who are subject to the vexations of this flesh we exist in here. We who's father fell long ago in the garden that was planted eastward in Eden.

Yes, we are creatures of sin. Not a one of us are righteous after the flesh. All have sinned and fallen short of the Father's glory.

We creatures may be conceited enough to believe that we can be priest here, though the laws of the Levitical priesthood were done away with in Christ who fulfilled the ritualistic laws and the sacrifices. Who became our high priest. Where Rome makes believe they are the priest and still persist in ancient priest craft. Who persist in idolatry and homosexuality as well as child molestations. Consider what a name they have obtained for themselves throughout 1700 years of history? Christ told us to call no man Father or Holy; but the Father in heaven. Yet, they did not bother to hear Him. And how is it that He makes us His people; all of us, as kings and as priest here in this world? And so; no man has a monopoly on sovereignty nor on priesthood! All are made sovereign citizens and able to minister His spiritual gifts.

Christ did not do away with the divine laws however: those laws written long ago in stone that define and make us guilty of our sins and trespasses: which are the Ten Words of Yawah given to Moses. And the prophets spoke to us about things to come and these prophecies are themselves laws, since they define the judgments that come in the future to us men who reap what we sow. The old prophets foreseeing and defining inescapable judgments upon mankind. Man can not break the laws of Yawah and not be judged for it. A man will reap what he sows!

There then are ways that seem right to men yet; as it is written, the ways thereof are the ways that lead unto death. And broad is the way and the cattle gate; that leads to destruction. Straight is the way and narrow is the gate; that leads to righteousness. Just come unto His written word and hear Him afresh in your hearts and re-prove again to yourselves his majesty and awe and splendor as our Saviour. Get reproved: get reproof and revive again your souls in His kind of faith: the faith that He had and renew again your faith in Him. Be ye renewed again in the spirit of your mind. Come unto the fountain who's water is the purist. Who's waters cleanse and renew again the soul. To fountains of living waters: to refreshing and healing in Him. Wash yourselves again in the washing of the water of the word: and wash often therein. Keep the fountain of waters flowing in your lives. Water again the seed that He has planted in you. And grow thereby.

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many Antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time." 1 John 2:18 How is it that nearly 2000 years ago now, John told us there were many Antichrist then? That in the beginning back then they were plural. Not singular? How that they were then many and; as it is written, "as it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end." They are many now.

Everyone playing this game of pin the tail on the donkey where the donkey is a singular Antichrist figure: a singular man of sin? Where they are looking for a single man to pin all blame on and to unmask as being far worse than any of them can figure they could be. When all we creatures have sinned and fallen short of the glory of Yawah. None of us are righteous after our works of the flesh. Everyone of them is accountable for his own works and his own sins and must come unto the Holy Lamb for remission of those sins; or forever be barred from His eternal words of promise.

The word Himself is the author of creation who spoke all things into being. He authored you and me and He authored the word that came unto the prophets. Think not that the Author then can not coin words and terms. He says what He says and means what He says: simply. Think not that He can not place the power of His Spirit into His words. His word is alive and it abides alive in us forever.

Think not the the Author can not be the greatest poet and the greatest scholar. He is the original intellect and scholar and the creator of the creations. Renew yourselves again in this mysterious word of Yawah. Turn around and come unto Him! Turn around your thoughts and start to follow Him in his word: follow Him as He works His works in the earth. If only men would follow Him like some follow the basketball players throughout their careers. Like men follow the football games. Follow after Christ instead! Look for Him here in this life while you are here and seek Him out daily. He is alive and at work in our lives and He is doing His wonders in the earth day after day. Daily He renews His creation: great is His faithfulness. Christ said that not one sparrow can fall to the earth without the Father knowing it. How awesome and amazing then is this being who is our creator?

Be you renewed since all of us are easily corrupted and vexed by this flesh we exist in. We are easily tempted by this world. Men seek power among men and are easily tempted to pursue power over men; and so: absolute power corrupts absolutely. Seek to be humble and at peace with the Spirit of our creator. Re-energize your souls in His words. No longer seek to live as the man of sin. Seek perfection of your faith and understanding in Him.

Forget not that we creatures are subject to the vanities of the flesh all the days of our life under the sun. Seek then His words in this life while you are herein that you may be led in better ways and not be so prone and subject to the vanities that we creatures are subject to by the whiles of this flesh we exist in. That you may be guided and hence enabled to avoid many of the snares and the pitfalls we are subject to as well as the vexations of mind and spirit that possess men. Deal with your own sins by way of the redemption He bought for us in His blood. O' thou man of sin!

Who then is this man of sin? Who is this mysterious man that men can not seem to pin down and uncover? Look at your own sins O' Man. It is you! Believe in Christ and go and sin no more! I too fell short of the glory of our creator and I too need salvation and redemption of my soul. He paid the penalty of our sins nearly 2000 years ago now. Receive the truth of it. He already paid for our sins! It is finished. His victory is past tense accomplished for us! He got the victory for us on the cross! Receive then this gift of His precious blood shed for us in our place by Him.

Let no one deceive you! There are laws and not just anything can enter into the gates of the city! "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Rev 21:8

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." Rev 21:22-27 So then; there is law and be not deceived. {Ever breaking the Law and calling yourself one of His? I think not! In the end there is the judgment throne that every man will stand before and be judged by the divine laws of Yawah! According to the works that were done in the flesh. And according to the words of Christ.}

..."And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."...

Read and hence write His word into your life that you may become a living epistle: that is, a living letter. And hence become a letter of His written with your name thereupon! A letter of His that is written; that can be read and known of men here in this world and in the world to come.

Now: if you are supposedly a prophet and then these words here offended you and disturbed you; you are not a prophet of Yawah and that is so! You can not smell good food from bad and rancid! If you do not like none of my words; well who really gives a care? Go and dine upon your bread and meat made of dead flesh and life less seed. There is no life in you and so your seed will not remain in the earth! There is no germ of life to bring forth more of its kind.

I was a young man when He said to me; "My words are the words of life. My words are full of life. It is written in my words that I said that; I am the way, and the truth, and the light and the life. I am the light of the world." And so I learned this was the truth by reading His words. He said that he is the bright and morning star! Only He can bring us light! He is the heavens above: the sun and the moon and the stars are his creations also. He fills his creation with His providence and His presence. He is the great and omnipotent King!

The kings of the earth with all of their captains and armies are but grasshoppers at His feet. Tomorrow may dawn as a great day for His children and His creation. And at the same time be the dawn of the crack of doom upon the wicked. This is so! In Him is the great and the majestic truth. The Author of our faith.

AMEN...

I created the world, and all that is therein. I created the seas and all that teems in the waters. I created the heavens and measured them in the span of My hand. All the starry hosts and galaxies and universe beyond your comprehension! I uphold all of these things by the word of My power. I have been executing My will successfully in the order of My creation by the word of My power. All things consist by the One who is before all things, even My Son, the living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Word of My power, and when you come to the revelation knowledge the Word of My power is that which upholds all that is in place in your own world, then you will enter into a new dimension of settled faith in Me, saith the Lord.

The shakings to disturb you and to unsettle you are the Spirit's activity to demonstrate to you that in your individual and personal world, I am the One who is before all things, and it is by My Spirit, by the Word of My power that everything in your life is holding together. Without the Word of My power operating within the interior of your life, your life would be empty, dark, without form and void.

But My Spirit moved upon the face of the deep waters in your life, and I am the One who separates the morning from the evening in your life, and I am the One who brings understandings of light and of darkness, and I am the one who separates the seas from the dry lands, and in your own personal world, I am the One who brings order and sensibility just so you can navigate your way through one simple day, and except that I had chosen to be merciful to My creation to reverse the spirit of chaos and bring order not one could stand in a sure place. Apart from Me there is no foundation for the framing of your world.

Apart from the Word of My power, there is no plan or law that can keep the outer world from spinning out of control to an utter combustion of matter to be scattered to the four winds, and except I had shown the human part of My creation divine mercies at every level, each and every element of your life would be scattered and carried away with winds until you were nothing but a hollow, empty and broken shell totally useless and without purpose.

But because of the Word of My power, you are held together in the hallowed place of My mercy and My grace and My redemption and My simple plan and purpose to let the sun shine on the just and the unjust so that your world can exist in peace and consist in the secure abode of the Word of My power while I work out My eternal plan of restoring all things unto Myself.

As I wait for the day when My Son shall deliver the Kingdom and all rule and authority up to Me that I might be all in all, I am searching and seeking out a people who will be willing to be qualified as those who will even be as the Word of My power in the earth. My manifested Sons are now being prepared to answer the groaning and travail of the desperate agonizing creation enslaved to the bondages of sin, degradation, and powerless living, and the depravities of darkness.

The Word of My power through the manifested Sons is going to call forth translation and transition, and change and intervention and restoration and jubilee and liberty until the foundations are deeply laid with fair colours and the structures are fitly framed and the chaos and disorder of that one broken and peeled and scattered sees every fragment of his life brought into alignment and cohesion and wholeness of abundant life through the knowledge of My Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the Living Word. He is the Word of My power. Through the manifestation of Sonship, Christ the hope of glory, the Living Word working within, the Word of My power shall come forth a new dimension that will cause new levels of order upward into Kingdom authority that shall expedite change at every level and in all realms.

It is the appointed time for change. It is the hour of transition. It is the time of divine intervention but it will not be apart from the involvement and manifestation of My Sons whom I have been long time preparing for this very day and this very hour.

When I chose to bring My many sons who follow in the footsteps of their elder brother, the Captain of the Lord's host, made perfect through sufferings into the covenant of being joint heirs with My only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, I purposed never to act apart from involving these ones I have formed in My likeness and created in My image. These shall truly always have a part in My plan of executing My divine will whether in judgment or blessing in the earth, saith the Lord.

When My people walking in Sonship learn to speak forth the Word of My power the powers of darkness will wilt at your feet and the principalities that prance menacingly and threatening before My people and my creation will shrink back. They will be oppressed and harassed in the same spirit of fear and trepidation they have oppressively and tauntingly terrorized My creation.

Every throne, every dominion shall revere and respect the Word of My power coming forth in authority through My manifested Sons because I have ordained from the foundation of the world that My overcomers who are seated with Me in My throne would rule and reign with Me. This is the heritage of My servants. This is the birthright of My Sons.What is the Word of My power? It is that Rhema word, that proceeding word of resurrection life that cometh forth from the deepest place within that you have contended for, even to the death of every ambition and desire.

It is not a great sermon or a scriptural understanding or a precious revelation, but it is the true message I have placed within the soul of my servant that consumes the being and sets on fire the burning candle of conscience to be shut up within the prison bars of bone and flesh. It is My power being manifested as a prophetic explosion of My heart.When you look about you and see the glories of My creation from the gentlest dove to the foreboding roar of the lion, from the merest trickle of water in a desert to the white waters of Niagara do you really believe this was accomplished without great passion on My part? And yet My people assume they can effect change and bring creative word apart from a connection to My deep passions and longings which I have clearly set forth as the very meat and drink of My own heart.

Study My word, and see if you can't find My heart even within it's pages! I am a God of reconciliation. I am a God of restoration. I am a God who brings lost sheep back to the fold, and lost sons back home to their fathers. I am the God who opens blind eyes, and unstops deaf ears. I am the God who sets the captive free and opens the doors of the prison houses. The Word of My power is the word of my passion and apart from My passion My power will not be revealed. You cannot know the Word of My power apart from knowing My heart. When you seek Me for that deeper word of life, and when you call forth that word to come up out of the depths of your being and when you are willing to allow that word to silence every other voice and message within you to find expression, you will know the creative dimension of the word of the Lord, the Word of My power.

You will know how to bring down principalities and powers and thrones and dominions. You will know how to fill in valleys and flatten mountains. You will know true salvation and true cleansing and true sanctification and true deliverance. You will know the song of the soul set free from the spirit and power of darkness and chaos to be a new world of beauty of My holiness where the Word of My power holds all things together, all things in place to the glory of God. Seek the Lord for the deeper word of Life. Seek the Lord that the Word of My power might begin to resonate with sounds of life within your own being. Don't settle for a sermon. Don't settle for a theme. Don't settle for some little homespun spiritual idea misting across your mind like a waft of sweet cotton candy fluffy, gooey and sweet to the religious ear, but totally void and empty of the true power to save, heal, deliver, cleanse and set free. Wait on God for the deeper word. Wait on God for the word of My passion! Wait on God for My heart! Don't speak forth until you truly have working within your being the Word of My power!

Oh My beloved. change is coming through the word of My power! But My first order will be to clear the canvas of that which has been cluttering the atmosphere with the powerless and ineffective voices speaking forth from the courts of the human mind.

Enter into My gates with thanksgiving! Come into My courts with praise that you may receive my mind! Press through into the true heavenly places before you presume to speak in My name! Don't be a voice of obstruction in the land blocking the way for the true word of the lord. Don't be a stone that needs to be cast out so that the rough places can be made smooth, and don't be as the sticks that need to be gathered for burning before there is a clear pathway for the true word of the Lord to come forth!

Have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. It is the day of the Word of My power. It is the day when I shall begin to openly reveal and divide between that which is soul and that which is spirit, and there shall be a clear delineation between the heart of man and the heart of God, and the one who speaks from the heart of man shall be marked as one whose words fall to the ground, but the one who speaks from the heart of God shall even be as Samuel with none of his words falling to the ground and all that he speaks shall come to pass for edification and the upholding of that which I do and create in the earth!

Be willing to get in the secret place until you know you have a true word from God, and not from your own heart. This is the admonishment and this is the exhortation of the Spirit of God, thus saith the Lord.

I'm clapping fo threshhold. Amen!

I wrote the following in another post and seeing it was a good information filled reply that did not get much attention and was short and to the point, Im copying it in here:

...well I don’t know if you thought that by me asking a prophet to speak is considered asking for a sign, no I did not ask for a "sign". I read the Word, and study. I'm not the best at seeing deception but Yah teaches well. Second of all we are told to test prophets, but not Elohem. 1John 4:1 - "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." Also in Mat 24:4-5 Jesus said, "See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many." Is it just me? ...but has anyone else noticed that when that scripture is quoted they speak as if people are walking about claiming to be Jesus. The thing is Jesus specifically said "Christ" which means "Anointed One", and do you notice how many people their is out there saying "I'm anointed, I'm anointed, anointed to do this, and anointed to do that? He also said it later on in Mat 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect". Yea their is many out there that say "read this anointed book, and go here to see an anointed meeting, or preaching." As for false prophets, are they not those who speak Gods Word falsely, I repeat prophets are not those who tell the future on their own, but speak the Word and explain by revelation and understanding. False prophets speak Yah's Word falsely it says in Jer 23:30 "Therefore behold, I am against the prophets," declares the LORD, "who steal MY WORDS from each other." and for those who step out as false prophets because they have deceived themselves. It is written in Jer 23:26 "How long? Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the DECEPTION OF THEIR OWN HEART."


And as for those who relate their dreams. It is written in Jer 23:32 "Behold, I am against those who have prophesied false dreams," declares the LORD, "and related them and led My people astray by their falsehoods and reckless boasting; yet I did not send them or command them, nor do they furnish this people the slightest benefit," declares the LORD. " Also before that it speaks of those who relate dreams in Jer 23:28-29 "The prophet who has a dream may relate his dream, but let him who has My Word speak My Word in truth. What does straw have in common with grain?" declares the LORD. "Is not My Word like fire?" declares the LORD, "and like a hammer which shatters a rock?"

...Yes all the Prophets in the Word are true, but do you not think that your mind has not been distorted as to their understanding. Do you trust your Teachers, preachers, and if they are good people how do you know that they have not been deceived?

The thing is their are True prophets and you can test them by their words and that is what I was planning to do. Yes you can trust the prophets of Old, but do you ignore the prophets of today? I say you don’t but equip yourself with the Word and that is all the Armor when mixed with faith. And you who mix faith without the Word, you do so in vain.

JTL,

"Mat 24:4-5 Jesus said, "See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many." Is it just me? ...but has anyone else noticed that when that scripture is quoted they speak as if people are walking about claiming to be Jesus. The thing is Jesus specifically said "Christ" which means "Anointed One", and do you notice how many people their is out there saying "I'm anointed, I'm anointed, anointed to do this, and anointed to do that? He also said it later on in Mat 24:23-24 "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect". Yea their is many out there that say "read this anointed book, and go here to see an anointed meeting, or preaching." As for false prophets, are they not those who speak Gods Word falsely, I repeat prophets are not those who tell the future on their own, but speak the Word and explain by revelation and understanding. False prophets speak Yah's Word falsely it says in Jer 23:30 "Therefore behold, I am against the prophets," declares the LORD, "who steal MY WORDS from each other." and for those who step out as false prophets because they have deceived themselves. It is written in Jer 23:26 "How long? Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the DECEPTION OF THEIR OWN HEART."

You have some good insight here. There have been and are very few who ever claim to be the Messiah, the "Christ" directly. He said that many would come in His name and saying that He is Christ ..... but then they teach false doctrine. And this is a very deceptive practice. Deception by its definition is a mixture of truth and error. This has been and is prevalent today. The believer needs to understand Scripture enough (especially about salvation) in order to avoid being mislead.


2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


The Bible prophets are the only true prophets to be relied upon. [Revelation 22:16-19] The Bible is a finished communication and needs no additional materials from the work of additional prophets. Since then there have been false teachers who may claim to be prophets. These convey their interpretations of Scripture, add additional personal visions and experiences, and create the appearance of being a prophet.

Jeff don't forget the word of knowledge.

If anyone makes merchandise of the people of God through misuse of the word of God, then let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1Co 16:23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you.

But if any man speak as an oracle of God be advised not to contest the Lord of Glory.

1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, [let him speak] as the oracles of God; if any man minister, [let him do it] as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


"The Bible prophets are the only true prophets to be relied upon"

God still speaks....

"Have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying. It is the day of the Word of My power. It is the day when I shall begin to openly reveal and divide between that which is soul and that which is spirit, and there shall be a clear delineation between the heart of man and the heart of God, and the one who speaks from the heart of man shall be marked as one whose words fall to the ground, but the one who speaks from the heart of God shall even be as Samuel with none of his words falling to the ground and all that he speaks shall come to pass for edification and the upholding of that which I do and create in the earth."

"but the one who speaks from the heart of God shall even be as Samuel with none of his words falling to the ground and all that he speaks shall come to pass for edification and the upholding of that which I do and create in the earth"

But only conveyed from His written Word. No changes, additions, or deletions.

No changes, additions, or deletions. God speaks extra curicular to the written word and He does it in such a way that it agrees with that written word. That is not to say it must be letter for letter. He does it Himself in scripture. There are many quotes of the Old Testament in the New Testament, and they are not word for word...

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound; Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Jesus is guilty of false prophecy by your definition....There are other examples....

"Jesus is guilty of false prophecy by your definition....There are other examples...."

Hardly. Where did you get your information that you have written here and what are those who do have witnessing missions to do ? What truths are they commissioned to communicate and where do they come from ? All preaching and teaching must be Scripturally based .... from the Word of the Lord, the Bible. Anything outside of sound doctrine conveyed by the Scriptures is open territory for deception and false teaching. Spend some time reading the N.T.

I simply point out that you insist on a word for word translation. Isaiah's prophetic is an example of how that prophetic is not brought forward in a word for word format. What information do you refer to? I draw upon the Spirit for words not of my choosing. I am not an apologist for that. Jesus, speaking of His Spirit has also said...Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. That is the reference point of modern day prophecy.

Seeing as He is to show us things to come, it follows that He has to use fresh language to state those things. Prophecy is both forward and backward reaching, as the fresh oil draws upon ancient words. The end is declared from the beginning.

I love that truth which exemplifies the fresh approach we are granted in the New Testament where Paul has said, 1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

A false prophet will deny the Lord. That is the end of the story. Jesus said,

Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. Mar 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part. Mar 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Living water is not brackish. It speaks from the purest of sources. The Spirit is that source.

Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

I am judged by that law...the law of liberty. So is everyone who is in Christ. Whether one speaks for the Lord or is silent.