QUOTE(Triana @ May 10 2006, 10:50 PM)
I know Bush is a good man from first hand experience with him.
Nobody is saying per se that Bush is going to hell or he is "evil". At least I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that he puts no stock by his own words in Bible Prophecy.
Bush-Bible Prophecy Based on his Christian views in the past, you would think the end times would mean at least something here. Only God knows if he is truly a Christian, ONLY GOD. You don't, even from first hand experience with him, nor do I from not caring much for the guy. Anyone can be a good guy or seem to be this or that. Who knows.
Perhaps by spending time with him, you are biased is this way. Unfortunately this is the problem on both extreme sides of the political spectrum. The guy or lady that you support CAN NEVER DO ANY WRONG. IF anybody ever has a legitimate critique of the guy, it can't be true. Bush is not perfect and so he doesn't have a Monica situation, so. He has a lot of other things that he hasn't exactly been stellar on domestically, wouldn't you agree? Probably not. No man is perfect, obviously, but the Iraq war has not exactly been handled in the best way now has it? I think we should try and get things done there now, because to pull everyone out now would be a stupid move to make. How about this huge American Embassy they are building when we can't even get water or food to certain parts of Iraq? Is that the right thing to be doing.? Don't get angry, it's just a debate and I'm just curious as to your thoughts.
QUOTE(Triana @ May 10 2006, 10:50 PM)
What Israel are you talking about? The nation named Israel which was created after World War II isn't to be found anywhere in the Bible. The Israel in the Bible is a spiritual state and geographically has more inhabitants in America than in the middle East.
The country of Israel should be called Zion, not Israel.
Do I believe that Jews deserve to live in their ancestoral homeland? Absolutely.
Do I believe that Muslims deserve to live in their ancestoral homeland? Absolutely.
If you believe this, then Jews should be allowed to live on the Arabian Peninsula as well as in Palestine.
Want to complain about Bush? Offer a better alternative, it is the American way.
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I think you are intelligent enough to realize that the US was not around doing Bible Times, so when I say the first President in history to have Israel give up land under, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Yet, to make myslef clear in this point, because I should have been more clear, is since Israel became a nation in a day again in 1948, no President has presided under a plan to get Israel to divide land. We're not talking wars here, we're talking a simulated plan that has actually happened under a sitting US President since 1948.
You may call Israel Zion if you wish, but I don't specifically see anything wrong with calling it Israel.
Zion Definition:
Zion
Zion originally was the specific name given to a Jebusite fortress near modern-day Jerusalem that was conquered by David. The original fortress was located on the hill in southeastern Jerusalem.
Zion, or Sion, is an archaic term that originally referred to a section of Jerusalem, which, by Biblical definition, is the City of David. After the death of King David, the term Zion came to refer to the hill in Jerusalem which was the site of Solomon's temple. Later, Zion came to refer to temple and the temple grounds themselves. Beyond that, Zion is used to symbolize Jerusalem and the Promised Land of God to come, in which God dwells among his chosen people.
The historic land of Israel as a symbol of the Jewish people.
The Jewish people; Israel.
A place or religious community regarded as sacredly devoted to God.
An idealized, harmonious community; utopia.
I will call it Israel, considering in my view that it has not been made perfect with the return of Jesus Christ as of yet and still to come.
With regard to history and Palestine, you may find this of interest.:
"These and other questions will be addressed more fully as you go through this website. However, there is a preliminary historical fact that must be established now. There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!
Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!
"PALESTINE?"
The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. The name "Palestine" was invented in the year 135 C.E. Before it was known as Judea, which was the southern kingdom of ancient Israel. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, "the Philistines." Thus, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then forward be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine."" Here's the link for the rest. Perhaps you can send this to President Bush. It may give him second thoughts about continuing to try and divide ISRAEL'S GOD GIVEN land.
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