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Shaun333
Bush seems to be saying THE EXACT same things regarding Iran that he was saying about Iraq just before we went in and bombed them. This is getting to a point where it sounds like he's reading this script of how to lead up to a war in 10 Easy Steps.

Every time he opens his mouth regarding Iran, I just cringe at this point. Even more so, because it is strange and too similar to what he said with Iraq.



Bush-Script

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday that "all options are on the table" to prevent Iran from developing atomic weapons, but said he will continue to focus on the international diplomatic option to persuade Tehran to drop its nuclear ambitions.


"We want to solve this issue diplomatically and we're working hard to do so," Bush told reporters in the Rose Garden."

...rest on link.


He knows darn well that anything "diplomatic" will not work with Iran and this seems to have been planned from the beginning. Just wait, we may see Ezekiel ready to go in the next couple of months. This is just getting crazy.

onetiggerroo
Hey, Shaun, see if you can find the one where Bush is asked about reading the end time prophecies and this all leading into WWIII. I heard it, but haven't been able to locate it on the net. He is such a funny little man. He claims to read the WORD but doesn't know about the Bible Prophecies...hummm....He claims to be a Christian too....

That wasn't on one of his scripts either! biggrin.gif Yes, he tends to divulge only so much on the same old same old. Like the needle on the record is stuck! Telling my age again! biggrin.gif That was befroe cd's and 8 track tapes and video's and cassette tapes and.... oh! Never mind! biggrin.gif It was after the stone age and JESUS and....
Shaun333
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Apr 18 2006, 03:44 PM)
Hey, Shaun, see if you can find the one where Bush is asked about reading the end time prophecies and this all leading into WWIII.  I heard it, but haven't been able to locate it on the net. 



Here you go...

Bush asked about apocolypse

Couple of Interesting excerpts:

Asked by a questioner following his speech on the War on Terror at the City Club of Cleveland tonight whether the war in Iraq and the rise of terrorism are signs of the apocaplyse, Bush responded, "The answer is – I haven't really thought of it that way."



He concluded: "And so, to answer your question, I take a practical view of doing the job you want me to do – which is how do we defeat an enemy that still wants to hurt us; and how do we deal with threats before they fully materialize; what do we do to protect us from harm? That's my job. And that job came home on September the 11th, for me – loud and clear. And I think about my job of protecting you every day – every single day of the presidency, I'm concerned about the safety of the American people."



What a big surprise that he hasn't "thought of it that way."

I never would have guessed.
PraisingYeshua
Ya know, I am a pretty strong conservative, and even I must admit that I am far from happy with G.W. I seriously do think at times, that he is a puppet. But, then I also consider the role these things play in the end times, and in a way, I welcome it. Glad that he cannot run for a third term though. Won't be voting for Hillary, though! tongue.gif
senteami3
There is something odd about Bush, I admit it too.

For someone who has studied at Yale, he has a very poor vocabulary! Sometimes it makes me wonder whether he did study there...

Every time he talks, it sounds like it's not from him, but he repeats it. If you analyze his speech, he has "ready-made locutions" and sound like a talking puppet, as if more powerful people would pull the strings behind him.

It took me a long time to find out whether he was born again or not, but I always come to the same conclusion: no way!

Now imagine someone who pretends to be a Christian, who uses religion as a means to get ahead and IS NOT; he would be the perfect hypocrit, would he not?

Which reminds me of the Antichrist. He will use religion to get ahead, since he will sit in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.

The FIRST WARNING about END TIMES is in the gospel of Matthew. When being asked what would be the signs of the end, Jesus answered his disciples: WATCH that no one deceives you.

Pretending to be what one is not IS the ultimate deception. sad.gif ph34r.gif
onetiggerroo
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ Apr 18 2006, 02:59 PM)
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Apr 18 2006, 03:44 PM)
Hey, Shaun, see if you can find the one where Bush is asked about reading the end time prophecies and this all leading into WWIII.  I heard it, but haven't been able to locate it on the net. 



Here you go...

Bush asked about apocolypse

Couple of Interesting excerpts:

Asked by a questioner following his speech on the War on Terror at the City Club of Cleveland tonight whether the war in Iraq and the rise of terrorism are signs of the apocaplyse, Bush responded, "The answer is – I haven't really thought of it that way."



He concluded: "And so, to answer your question, I take a practical view of doing the job you want me to do – which is how do we defeat an enemy that still wants to hurt us; and how do we deal with threats before they fully materialize; what do we do to protect us from harm? That's my job. And that job came home on September the 11th, for me – loud and clear. And I think about my job of protecting you every day – every single day of the presidency, I'm concerned about the safety of the American people."



What a big surprise that he hasn't "thought of it that way."

I never would have guessed.
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Thanks Shaun wasn't that just funny! Practical might be reading the WORD and understanding this is PROPHETIC! biggrin.gif Maybe he should come here and visit a while...hummm
Shaun333
QUOTE(PraisingYeshua @ Apr 18 2006, 07:51 PM)
Ya know, I am a pretty strong conservative, and even I must admit that I am far from happy with G.W.  I seriously do think at times, that he is a puppet.  But, then I also consider the role these things play in the end times, and in a way, I welcome it.  Glad that he cannot run for a third term though.  Won't be voting for Hillary, though!  tongue.gif
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I'm a registered Independent, always have been. I lean conservative because of my Christianity, though not ultra-right by any means.

I voted for him, not in 2000, but 2004 and I completely, totally and unequivicably regret it.

Barney the Dinosaur would make a better Prez. Of course, he would have to be a Christian dinosaur that would pay my gasoline bills.
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PraisingYeshua
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ Apr 18 2006, 07:39 PM)
Barney the Dinosaur would make a better Prez.  Of course, he would have to be a Christian dinosaur that would pay my gasoline bills.
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Yeah, but who for VP? Baby Bop or AJ? I must know before I could commit to support Barney. Would definitely need a website upgrade though; atrocious. tongue.gif
Shaun333
QUOTE(PraisingYeshua @ Apr 18 2006, 08:47 PM)
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ Apr 18 2006, 07:39 PM)
Barney the Dinosaur would make a better Prez.  Of course, he would have to be a Christian dinosaur that would pay my gasoline bills.
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Yeah, but who for VP? Baby Bop or AJ? I must know before I could commit to support Barney. Would definitely need a website upgrade though; atrocious. tongue.gif
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Tinky Winky for Vice Prez. He can run as the gay candidate and be all inclusive.
PraisingYeshua
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ Apr 18 2006, 07:48 PM)
Tinky Winky for Vice Prez.  He can run as the gay candidate and be all inclusive.
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onetiggerroo
I have been voting for Snoopy for President for years! Woodstock is the VP biggrin.gif
PraisingYeshua
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Apr 18 2006, 07:53 PM)
I have been voting for Snoopy for President for years!  Woodstock is the VP  biggrin.gif
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Well, as long as it's not Lucy in office! Well, unless of course she was stuck with Pigpen. tongue.gif
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ok... Now I know I need some sleep... at first glance I thought you wrote
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It took me a few seconds, but I finally got it! wacko.gif

Yupppers... Needing sleep real bad!

Love to you!!
Lisa
Pamela
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ok... Now I know I need some sleep... at first glance I thought you wrote
IM PEACH

What the heck does her being peach have to do with the president? laugh.gif
It took me a few seconds, but I finally got it! wacko.gif

Yupppers... Needing sleep real bad!

Love to you!!
Lisa
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LOL! I just showed my husband this thread and he said the same thing...LOL!!!! IMPEACH! Nope I love peaches but I don't think I can pose as one...LOL!!!!
shy1
Thanks y'all--every one of you--I needed a good laugh!
Signet
QUOTE(Shaun333 @ Apr 18 2006, 02:34 PM)
Bush seems to be saying THE EXACT same things regarding Iran that he was saying about Iraq just before we went in and bombed them.  This is getting to a point where it sounds like he's reading this script of how to lead up to a war in 10 Easy Steps. 

Every time he opens his mouth regarding Iran, I just cringe at this point.  Even more so, because it is strange and too similar to what he said with Iraq. 



Bush-Script

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Tuesday that "all options are on the table" to prevent Iran from developing atomic weapons, but said he will continue to focus on the international diplomatic option to persuade Tehran to drop its nuclear ambitions.


"We want to solve this issue diplomatically and we're working hard to do so," Bush told reporters in the Rose Garden."

...rest on link.


He knows darn well that anything "diplomatic" will not work with Iran and this seems to have been planned from the beginning.  Just wait, we may see Ezekiel ready to go in the next couple of months.    This is just getting crazy.
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I wonder who his writer is....

Signet
flyingsquirrel
I think he puts the same words on pieces of paper, puts them in a fish bowl, and draws them it before the next speech
Shaun333
QUOTE(flyingsquirrel @ May 8 2006, 10:18 AM)
I think he puts the same words on pieces of paper, puts them in a fish bowl, and draws them it before the next speech
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Now that you gave away his secret, he may come after you. ohmy.gif
Signet
"And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death".

Signet
onetiggerroo
Even the news media are playing on Bushes re-use of his speeches.. last night on NBC Nightly News, Brian Williams made comment on Bush re-use of words like...:From the ground up' and "perfect fit", for 4 Star Gen. Michael Hayden, nominee for the CIA Director position.



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flyingsquirrel
I guess you call Bush's speeches "THE BUSH RE-MIX" rap
Signet
...turn of phrase...he has alot of strange sayings, declarations, and
swelling statements...

Does he speak for us? Who does he speak for? Who does he speak to? The people? What people? Does he have a strategy or an agenda?
What is it? What does it look like?

We say we know what time it is, are we really ready? Do we want
to dream on...we are asked to awake!

I was taught the anointing runs down from the head. If that head
is a fountain of confusion...it is not the anointing...



We watch and pray for the Anointed of God, Jesus Christ.


When we align with God's Word in agreement...
"And all nations shall call you blessed; for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of host". Malachi 3:12

Blessings
Signet
Shaun333
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ May 10 2006, 01:03 PM)
Even the news media are playing on Bushes re-use of his speeches.. last night on NBC Nightly News, Brian Williams made comment on Bush re-use of words like...:From the ground up' and "perfect fit", for 4 Star Gen. Michael Hayden, nominee for the CIA Director position. 



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"From the ground up", I wish I had put my own name in as a vote in 2004.

Barney the dinosaur would be a "perfect fit" as the Vice President of the United States.

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Triana
What does it really matter what Bush says if you probably disagree with him regardless of his words or actions?

What really seems to bother people is that they have no access to power, political power that is.

Bush is a good man.

Bill Clinton is not a good man.

Bush, the good man is cleaning up the messes left by Clinton, who isn't a good man.

And Hillary Clinton, the enabler is the worst hypocrite of all.

Bush is what he is.

Bill Clinton is what he is.

Hillary Clinton is whatever she has to be to have access to power.

Mock Bush if you must. He is the current face of America. He is in charge and his time will end soon.

When Clinton was the face of America, were you proud of him? I wasn't. I had to explain to my child issues that my parents and their parents never had to discuss.
I don't want any parent to ever have to explain a Presidents personal misbehavior to their children again.

Bush has problems. Bush doesn't have a Monica problem.
Signet
It is extremely important what heads of state say...we all then have to
look at what they do. Not only President Bush, all leaders...of countries,
of organizations and even churches. We only see what we are allowed
to see in many circumstances and what we often see is marketed to us.

We are to pray for our leaders...yet, governments do not speak for God.
God speaks for Himself...and God is speaking, if we will have ears to
hear what the Spirit is saying.

Jesus does not have a political favorite, but a humble and contrite
heart that He will not despise...

Many around the world claim to speak for God, as God, or claim
God told them....this is dangerous waters..for we are told that
one will come lamblike, yet will be treacherous...so it is for us to
be prayerful, watch and wait.

This is a time for prayer vigil...

"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear". Matthew 13:9

Signet
Shaun333
QUOTE(Triana @ May 10 2006, 07:45 PM)
What does it really matter what Bush says if you probably disagree with him regardless of his words or actions?

What really seems to bother people is that they have no access to power, political power that is.

Bush is a good man.

Bill Clinton is not a good man.

Bush, the good man is cleaning up the messes left by Clinton, who isn't a good man.

And Hillary Clinton, the enabler is the worst hypocrite of all.

Bush is what he is.

Bill Clinton is what he is.

Hillary Clinton is whatever she has to be to have access to power.

Mock Bush if you must. He is the current face of America. He is in charge and his time will end soon.

When Clinton was the face of America, were you proud of him? I wasn't. I had to explain to my child issues that my parents and their parents never had to discuss.
I don't want any parent  to ever have to explain a Presidents personal misbehavior to their children again.

Bush has problems. Bush doesn't have a Monica problem.
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Actually "Strategery" was something Will Ferrell said on SNL, not Bush actually saying this, as far as the joking/mocking goes, lol, but I get your drift here.

I think what throws people in a scary way of sorts is the odd puppet like wording that is repeated time and time again when it comes to Iran and many other issues. He said many of the EXACT same things before going into Iraq, which at the time I supported, believe it or not. I think many Christians and non-Christians for that matter are afraid the guy is just going to nuke Iran, thus leading America into another more horrid conflict when we cannot spare the resources. You can bet that there would be some kind of draft if we got into a military conflict with Iran at this point.
God is in control, yes, but sometimes when we see potentially unstable people in office, it can make one a little shifty.

I am an Independent. Labels aside, I don't care FOR ANY politician. I believe that you have to sacrifice your principles and make deals and do whatever you have to regarding getting into any higher office. Personally, just because I don't care for Bush, does not by any means point the direction of liking Hillary or Bill or Kerry or Gore. I think they're all corrupt. You couldn't pay me to vote for Hillary. I was not in fact proud of Bill Clinton in any way.

Monica was just a little (or big) twit caught in the Bill Clinton woman-o-round. She was hardly innocent, but he didn't care about her. She was just close and easily accessible, in more ways than one. You are correct that we should be praying for any President and I have. Sometimes jokes can get carried away about him, but I'm sure there were plenty of Clinton jokes that you laughed at during his presidency. I mean how could you not.

My question to you would be How Do you know that Bush is a good man? Despite saying that Jesus was his favorite "philosopher". Yes, I believe he did have some kind of written thing confessing Jesus as Lord, but fruits have got to mean something.

He is the first President in history to be in office when Israel has given up land (Gaza) and he and his administration support completely two states and made up the plans for than to happen. That is not Biblical. I'm just saying, things like that you have to treat as suspect against God's Word.
Triana

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My question to you would be How Do you know that Bush is a good man?  Despite saying that Jesus was his favorite "philosopher".  Yes, I believe he did have some kind of written thing confessing Jesus as Lord, but fruits have got to mean something. 


I know Bush is a good man from first hand experience with him.


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He is the first President in history to be in office when Israel has given up land (Gaza) and he and his administration support completely two states and made up the plans for than to happen.  That is not Biblical.  I'm just saying, things like that you have to treat as suspect against God's Word.


What Israel are you talking about? The nation named Israel which was created after World War II isn't to be found anywhere in the Bible. The Israel in the Bible is a spiritual state and geographically has more inhabitants in America than in the middle East.

The country of Israel should be called Zion, not Israel.

Do I believe that Jews deserve to live in their ancestoral homeland? Absolutely.

Do I believe that Muslims deserve to live in their ancestoral homeland? Absolutely.

If you believe this, then Jews should be allowed to live on the Arabian Peninsula as well as in Palestine.

Want to complain about Bush? Offer a better alternative, it is the American way.
Shaun333
QUOTE(Triana @ May 10 2006, 10:50 PM)
I know Bush is a good man from first hand experience with him.


Nobody is saying per se that Bush is going to hell or he is "evil". At least I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that he puts no stock by his own words in Bible Prophecy.Bush-Bible Prophecy Based on his Christian views in the past, you would think the end times would mean at least something here. Only God knows if he is truly a Christian, ONLY GOD. You don't, even from first hand experience with him, nor do I from not caring much for the guy. Anyone can be a good guy or seem to be this or that. Who knows.

Perhaps by spending time with him, you are biased is this way. Unfortunately this is the problem on both extreme sides of the political spectrum. The guy or lady that you support CAN NEVER DO ANY WRONG. IF anybody ever has a legitimate critique of the guy, it can't be true. Bush is not perfect and so he doesn't have a Monica situation, so. He has a lot of other things that he hasn't exactly been stellar on domestically, wouldn't you agree? Probably not. No man is perfect, obviously, but the Iraq war has not exactly been handled in the best way now has it? I think we should try and get things done there now, because to pull everyone out now would be a stupid move to make. How about this huge American Embassy they are building when we can't even get water or food to certain parts of Iraq? Is that the right thing to be doing.? Don't get angry, it's just a debate and I'm just curious as to your thoughts.


QUOTE(Triana @ May 10 2006, 10:50 PM)
What Israel are you talking about? The nation named Israel which was created after World War II isn't to be found anywhere in the Bible. The Israel in the Bible is a spiritual state and geographically has more inhabitants in America than in the middle East.

The country of Israel should be called Zion, not Israel.

Do I believe that Jews deserve to live in their ancestoral homeland? Absolutely.

Do I believe that Muslims deserve to live in their ancestoral homeland? Absolutely.

If you believe this, then Jews should be allowed to live on the Arabian Peninsula as well as in Palestine.

Want to complain about Bush? Offer a better alternative, it is the American way.
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I think you are intelligent enough to realize that the US was not around doing Bible Times, so when I say the first President in history to have Israel give up land under, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Yet, to make myslef clear in this point, because I should have been more clear, is since Israel became a nation in a day again in 1948, no President has presided under a plan to get Israel to divide land. We're not talking wars here, we're talking a simulated plan that has actually happened under a sitting US President since 1948.

You may call Israel Zion if you wish, but I don't specifically see anything wrong with calling it Israel.

Zion Definition:

Zion
Zion originally was the specific name given to a Jebusite fortress near modern-day Jerusalem that was conquered by David. The original fortress was located on the hill in southeastern Jerusalem.
Zion, or Sion, is an archaic term that originally referred to a section of Jerusalem, which, by Biblical definition, is the City of David. After the death of King David, the term Zion came to refer to the hill in Jerusalem which was the site of Solomon's temple. Later, Zion came to refer to temple and the temple grounds themselves. Beyond that, Zion is used to symbolize Jerusalem and the Promised Land of God to come, in which God dwells among his chosen people.

The historic land of Israel as a symbol of the Jewish people.
The Jewish people; Israel.
A place or religious community regarded as sacredly devoted to God.
An idealized, harmonious community; utopia.

I will call it Israel, considering in my view that it has not been made perfect with the return of Jesus Christ as of yet and still to come.

With regard to history and Palestine, you may find this of interest.:

"These and other questions will be addressed more fully as you go through this website. However, there is a preliminary historical fact that must be established now. There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!

Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

"PALESTINE?"

The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. The name "Palestine" was invented in the year 135 C.E. Before it was known as Judea, which was the southern kingdom of ancient Israel. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, "the Philistines." Thus, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then forward be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine.""


Here's the link for the rest. Perhaps you can send this to President Bush. It may give him second thoughts about continuing to try and divide ISRAEL'S GOD GIVEN land.


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grumbletiger
We need to remember that its clearly stated in Daniel that kings of men are in communication with demon princes. This is a clear fact throughout history, and it doesn't matter which demon prince it is because there is one. All these countries, us, Iran, Iraq, China, everyone we all have a demon prince over us, and Israel is the only different one with a Holy Prince (known as Michael as far as I can tell). I thought that was fairly clear in the Bible, maybe I'm totally wrong - but we at least can't forget that its not just us down here >.<
flyingsquirrel
Daniel 10:5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: Daniel 10:6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude

Daniel 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.


Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

I was told that the PRINCE of PERSIA was the demon king of persia who delayed the angel from meeting with Daniel but with Michael's help succeeded, modern day IRAN...if the prince of persia is a demonic force, you can bet he's still on the job
Shaun333
QUOTE(flyingsquirrel @ May 11 2006, 05:33 PM)
I was told that the PRINCE of PERSIA was the demon king of persia who delayed the angel from meeting with Daniel but with Michael's help succeeded, modern day IRAN...if the prince of persia is a demonic force, you can bet he's still on the job
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Unfortunately, demonic forces will on the scene for a while longer. And there's no doubt that Iranian President is a part of it all. The guy comes out against Israel almost every day now.
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