Octopus Dream:
I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
Full Version: Octopus Dream
I find it interesting that the president sent boats out, and did not personally fish. This points to the presidents "commander in chief" status. I also looked up the octopus and found something interesting.
Octopus dofleini, however, is endemic to the northwest and northeast Pacific Ocean from Bering Strait to Korea, Central Honshu and Baja California. They are commercially important in Northern Japan, North and South Korea. They are very common off the shores of Japan and Korea, but rare off the shores of the former U.S.S.R
The fact that they are commercially important to north Korea and Japan struck me, as in your dream they where cutting up and selling the large arm. Also, when the boats went out again, the people protested, as they do with war. Could this be pointing to a conflict, possibly naval? I am going to continue to pray about this dream as it seems significant.
Octopus dofleini, however, is endemic to the northwest and northeast Pacific Ocean from Bering Strait to Korea, Central Honshu and Baja California. They are commercially important in Northern Japan, North and South Korea. They are very common off the shores of Japan and Korea, but rare off the shores of the former U.S.S.R
The fact that they are commercially important to north Korea and Japan struck me, as in your dream they where cutting up and selling the large arm. Also, when the boats went out again, the people protested, as they do with war. Could this be pointing to a conflict, possibly naval? I am going to continue to pray about this dream as it seems significant.
Only speculating:
Or how about this...remembering that we "only see in part."
The little arm Afghanistan. The big arm Iraq. Sending out fishing boats to hunt for Octopus a third time..............?
The phone call a warning.
A lot of noise in the background....... "chatter."
(Maybe like internet chatter they refer to)
Being able to distinguish oriental language a key....
Phone beeping...The instrument of warning is about to loose power. Maybe means the warning time is up....
I caught the tail end of the news this morning and l think l heard that they could see aurora borealis in our area last night caused by solar flares. Unusual to see it this far south.
Or how about this...remembering that we "only see in part."
The little arm Afghanistan. The big arm Iraq. Sending out fishing boats to hunt for Octopus a third time..............?
The phone call a warning.
A lot of noise in the background....... "chatter."
(Maybe like internet chatter they refer to)
Being able to distinguish oriental language a key....
Phone beeping...The instrument of warning is about to loose power. Maybe means the warning time is up....
I caught the tail end of the news this morning and l think l heard that they could see aurora borealis in our area last night caused by solar flares. Unusual to see it this far south.
And maybe cutting the arm up and selling it...
Trying to sell the war in Iraq to the world.
Then again...Maybe it's just a dream.
Trying to sell the war in Iraq to the world.
Then again...Maybe it's just a dream.
well the octopus seems like Terrorism .
who knows ....
is the big arm Iran ,
the small one Iraq ,
and third arm North Korea ?
who knows ....
is the big arm Iran ,
the small one Iraq ,
and third arm North Korea ?
bush = bush
octopus = terrorists
1st arm = afganistan
2nd arm = iraq
hey! Hey! = N. Korea man = kim dung ill, dictator of N Korea
oriental woman = mainland, communist, red china
a lot of people in the background = U.N. and Democratic Party, and Nader, and Kerry
red china and n. korea are somewhat partners in crime, both are communists, both nuclear, both are red like the devil, they share a common border, both have insane, ruthless, and wicked leaders
THEN, red china invades n.korea
china claims that n.korea is a terrorist, and like the bush doctrine of pre-emptive strikes, china's pre-emptive strike at, and invasion of, n.korea was legal, (because n.korea is a terrorist).
and bush can't do anything about it. china is nuclear. and bush won't have to attack n.korea (china did our dirty work for us).
N.koreans are better off under red china rule than under n.korean rule.
I think Putin (Russia) likes Bush.
i'm totally guessing. don't listen to me!!
dennis manning
octopus = terrorists
1st arm = afganistan
2nd arm = iraq
hey! Hey! = N. Korea man = kim dung ill, dictator of N Korea
oriental woman = mainland, communist, red china
a lot of people in the background = U.N. and Democratic Party, and Nader, and Kerry
red china and n. korea are somewhat partners in crime, both are communists, both nuclear, both are red like the devil, they share a common border, both have insane, ruthless, and wicked leaders
THEN, red china invades n.korea
china claims that n.korea is a terrorist, and like the bush doctrine of pre-emptive strikes, china's pre-emptive strike at, and invasion of, n.korea was legal, (because n.korea is a terrorist).
and bush can't do anything about it. china is nuclear. and bush won't have to attack n.korea (china did our dirty work for us).
N.koreans are better off under red china rule than under n.korean rule.
I think Putin (Russia) likes Bush.
i'm totally guessing. don't listen to me!!
dennis manning
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who knows ....
is the big arm Iran ,
the small one Iraq ,
is the big arm Iran ,
the small one Iraq ,
Now that caught my attention. I totally believe that We are seeing Daniel 8 unfold. Irag (horn on Ram) Iran (bigger horn on Ram that comes up later)
That dream was prophetic. The meaning is clear since everyone here hit the nail on the head. I would say the only part thats not clear is phone call. Did it mean our next stop would be china are north kor are our next attack would be from there. Aso arm in scripture means power and strength.
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 5 2004, 06:44 AM)
Octopus Dream:
I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
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I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
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-The President is the President
-The octopus is the spirit of Jezabel, which represents control and manipulation.
-The arms represents countries and their power.
-President Bush is fishing for power.
-Your phone call is a wake up call for us all, that the new world order has arrived.
Eliyahou & Aharown
-The octopus is the spirit of Jezabel, which represents control and manipulation.
-The arms represents countries and their power.
-President Bush is fishing for power.
-Your phone call is a wake up call for us all, that the new world order has arrived.
Eliyahou & Aharown
I think it may be time to revisit this dream again with the recent defience of N. Korea. Could the time of the call mean anything (2/30) ? Could the man on the phone be like N. Korea trying to talk to Bush, but to no avail?
We don't know for sure if it was anything but a dream but if it is a warning from the Lord l would say again that the little arm is Afganistan...big arm Iraq.
Going fishing again.... Iran.... and the telephone warning is N. Korea. The phone loosing it's power and starting to beem ... USA? loosing power? or about to.
Going fishing again.... Iran.... and the telephone warning is N. Korea. The phone loosing it's power and starting to beem ... USA? loosing power? or about to.
"In vain I punished your people;
they did not respond to correction.
Your sword has devoured your prophets
like a ravening lion.
JER 2:30
I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
JOEL 2:30
I'M REACHING NOW, I KNOW.
they did not respond to correction.
Your sword has devoured your prophets
like a ravening lion.
JER 2:30
I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
JOEL 2:30
I'M REACHING NOW, I KNOW.
I've been thinking about this dream again and the sign that followed with telephone call and the beeping of the phone about to loose power...
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I've been thinking about this dream again and the sign that followed with telephone call and the beeping of the phone about to loose power...
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Seems plain that critical communications will go down..perhaps because of a loss of diplomacy.
Three days now I have heard "Defcon 4" in my spirit.
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 5 2004, 04:44 AM)
Octopus Dream:
I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
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I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
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At first glance I had not noticed this dream was from early November. I sat on the couch and thought and I started to see the octopus.
I saw the head very clearly as described by your review..."This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth."
I saw the letters, "CIA" on the head. The organs and mouth of the president?
"It has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank."
The ability to go undercover to solve mazes, retrieve "food" ( secret information) "inside the jar" (a foreign nation,) to "mimic" the countrymen of that nation ( different tank) to avoid discovery.
"Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things"
The arms are the communications links. The "suckers" are the spies. The tentacles reach far and near.
" But when excited, the octopus can change colors..."
Ditto CIA
"The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly."
The CIA is fluid in it's ability to back out of situatuations, perhaps leaving a "fall guy" as a diversion...like Osama Bin Laden...they used to fuel him, also Saddam...
"Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it. "
The US gov has been recalcitrant in using the arm to advantage. The motivation has been advertised as one of ridding the world of a despotic dictator with access to WMD, but perhaps the clandestine intent was simply to establish a base of operations in the mid east apart from a need to deploy through Turkey (imagine that..turkey!) and at the same time be close to oil reserves which will be all so important into the future...
but now it is time to be separated from that event...
My thought about the severed arm is that they were given "duff gen" (false intelligence) about Iraq and WMD. Heads will roll as a result...people in positions of power and trust who misread the cards get axed (cut off)...
Now it is time for a new armada of fishing boats to go out...under protest... for fear of the same result of lost contact...
The phone rang...first thought..." It must be a prank call." "They didn't say anything." The disruption of the peace which occurs by this type of call in the middle of the night is sufficient to worry the recipient all night. (terrorist threat)
"I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up."
This is so similar to my frozen turkey dream...in my dream an insane laughter from within the freezer, an oriental face....the ice fog low to the ground...an implied capture of goods by deception...market and financial strategy winning over military might.
More may follow...one tends to have to go forward a step at a time...this thread is alive because it is conjunctively joined to others.
This is just my thoughts...(JMHO)
Hi Maz...I just saw this. My interpretation isn't that complicated...
The octopus is Al Qaida. (Or the terrorism web) The arms are the branches. Small arm Afghanistan big arm Iraq...cutting it up and trying to sell the policy...
next arm....? Iran?
The phone ringing was an alarm in the middle of the night! A warning and clue of what's involved with what's coming....
How about this?
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Intelligence cites oil for nukes deal between Iran and North Korea East-Asia-Intel.com, February 8, 2006
LONDON -- North Korea and Iran appear on the verge deal under which they would exchange nuclear technology for oil –- the former from North Korea, the latter from Iran.
Details of the nuclear exchange between North Korea and Iran were reported in the London Sunday Times in a dispatch from Beijing.
"The belief that Iran and North Korea are talking about plutonium," said the paper, "stems from a recently reported offer of oil and gas from Teheran in exchange for nuclear technology."
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hinted at the possibility of such a deal, accusing North Korea of "sending illicit technology to various countries" while staying away from renewed six-party talks on its nuclear weapons.
Rumsfeld said the hope remained that North Korea "would see the advantages of taking the course" of Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy, who gave up his nuclear weapons program in return for aid and trade.
The defense secretary, answering questions after a speech at the National Press Club last week, cited a litany of problems, suggesting that North Korea was unlikely to mend its ways.
Besides exporting "illicit technology," Rumsfeld said, "they're counterfeiting U.S. dollars" and "selling illicit drugs" –- reasons why the U.S. has imposed sanctions that North Korea insists must be removed before it returns to the table.
Rumsfeld spoke after diplomatic sources in Beijing, London and Washington said North Korea and Iran were considering an agreement under which energy-starved North Korea would export reprocessed plutonium to Iran in exchange for oil and natural gas.
Diplomatic sources report the cooperation, from opposite ends of the "axis of evil" cited by President Bush in 2002, emerged from meetings between Iranian and North Korean diplomats in both Pyongyang and Beijing. Intelligence analysts believe North Korea and Iran are already exchanging information on missiles.
"It's thinkable that cooperation on missiles could extend to nuclear cooperation," said Mark Fitzpatrick, senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies here. "North Korea is one of the few countries in the world that would be willing to do that."
Fitzpatrick noted that such cooperation might be one result from the arrest of the notorious A.Q. Khan, "father" of Pakistan's atomic bomb, and the destruction of the network that he had formed for selling nuclear technology.
"The A.Q. network is being squeezed," he said, "so it's harder for Iran to get nuclear assistance."
North Korea is believed to have reprocessed enough plutonium for six or seven warheads, and North Korean officials, notably Gen. Li Chan-Bok, in interviews with CBS and the New York Times, have sought to spread the fear that North Korea is building still more in an effort to intimidate the U.S. in the six-party nuclear weapons talks.
Fitzpatrick pointed out that Iran does not have the capability to reprocess plutonium while attempting to fashion warheads from enriched uranium, and questioned whether North Korea would want to risk shipping its own. The United States, he noted, "is trying to stop overflight clearance, to suspend flights" of aircraft carrying nuclear technology or material over countries on the way from North Korea to the Middle East.
The octopus is Al Qaida. (Or the terrorism web) The arms are the branches. Small arm Afghanistan big arm Iraq...cutting it up and trying to sell the policy...
next arm....? Iran?
The phone ringing was an alarm in the middle of the night! A warning and clue of what's involved with what's coming....
How about this?
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Intelligence cites oil for nukes deal between Iran and North Korea East-Asia-Intel.com, February 8, 2006
LONDON -- North Korea and Iran appear on the verge deal under which they would exchange nuclear technology for oil –- the former from North Korea, the latter from Iran.
Details of the nuclear exchange between North Korea and Iran were reported in the London Sunday Times in a dispatch from Beijing.
"The belief that Iran and North Korea are talking about plutonium," said the paper, "stems from a recently reported offer of oil and gas from Teheran in exchange for nuclear technology."
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld hinted at the possibility of such a deal, accusing North Korea of "sending illicit technology to various countries" while staying away from renewed six-party talks on its nuclear weapons.
Rumsfeld said the hope remained that North Korea "would see the advantages of taking the course" of Libyan leader Moammar Khadafy, who gave up his nuclear weapons program in return for aid and trade.
The defense secretary, answering questions after a speech at the National Press Club last week, cited a litany of problems, suggesting that North Korea was unlikely to mend its ways.
Besides exporting "illicit technology," Rumsfeld said, "they're counterfeiting U.S. dollars" and "selling illicit drugs" –- reasons why the U.S. has imposed sanctions that North Korea insists must be removed before it returns to the table.
Rumsfeld spoke after diplomatic sources in Beijing, London and Washington said North Korea and Iran were considering an agreement under which energy-starved North Korea would export reprocessed plutonium to Iran in exchange for oil and natural gas.
Diplomatic sources report the cooperation, from opposite ends of the "axis of evil" cited by President Bush in 2002, emerged from meetings between Iranian and North Korean diplomats in both Pyongyang and Beijing. Intelligence analysts believe North Korea and Iran are already exchanging information on missiles.
"It's thinkable that cooperation on missiles could extend to nuclear cooperation," said Mark Fitzpatrick, senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies here. "North Korea is one of the few countries in the world that would be willing to do that."
Fitzpatrick noted that such cooperation might be one result from the arrest of the notorious A.Q. Khan, "father" of Pakistan's atomic bomb, and the destruction of the network that he had formed for selling nuclear technology.
"The A.Q. network is being squeezed," he said, "so it's harder for Iran to get nuclear assistance."
North Korea is believed to have reprocessed enough plutonium for six or seven warheads, and North Korean officials, notably Gen. Li Chan-Bok, in interviews with CBS and the New York Times, have sought to spread the fear that North Korea is building still more in an effort to intimidate the U.S. in the six-party nuclear weapons talks.
Fitzpatrick pointed out that Iran does not have the capability to reprocess plutonium while attempting to fashion warheads from enriched uranium, and questioned whether North Korea would want to risk shipping its own. The United States, he noted, "is trying to stop overflight clearance, to suspend flights" of aircraft carrying nuclear technology or material over countries on the way from North Korea to the Middle East.
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I've been thinking about this dream again and the sign that followed with telephone call and the beeping of the phone about to loose power...
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Seems plain that critical communications will go down..perhaps because of a loss of diplomacy.
Three days now I have heard "Defcon 4" in my spirit.
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Can you imagine the buzz and hum in Washington...Trying to make the right decisions? Lets pray for our leaders and the world.
Father have mercy on us once again we pray. Help us to foil and expose the plans of the enemy. Don't let them utterly destroy us but intervene and keep us l pray...In Jesus name...Amen
I'm just wondering about this again...
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 5 2004, 11:44 AM)
Octopus Dream:
I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
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I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
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miki, i think you interpreted your dream fine. small arm...afganistan.
big arm, irag...cut up, sold....all the no-bid contract deals that went to the friends and supporters of the administration. people noticed.
protests...but still...
the 'fishing boats' go out again....bush will not be satisfied, wants the WHOLE OCTOPUS.
he wants the GLOBE.
you hear oriental voices?
indeed the navy is dispatched to the far east now....(after the N Korean incident.)
big arm, irag...cut up, sold....all the no-bid contract deals that went to the friends and supporters of the administration. people noticed.
protests...but still...
the 'fishing boats' go out again....bush will not be satisfied, wants the WHOLE OCTOPUS.
he wants the GLOBE.
you hear oriental voices?
indeed the navy is dispatched to the far east now....(after the N Korean incident.)
This dream has been on my mind in the past few days as well, especially regarding that seemigly prank call when an oriental person laughing .... I think the N. Korea and China are laughing at the US, and it's an evil laugh. the US inteligence is supposed to be never caught off guard...not only was the US shocked silly over the missle launch...but they had no idea how many missles were out there heading here...in the time it takes people in Washington to stop arguing and decide how many missles were launched, Hawaii could've been hit with several missles....I think the US alertness was being tested, and clearly, the US is still the slumbering giant a Japanese commander called us at the start of WWII (Pearl Harbor attack).
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bush will not be satisfied, wants the WHOLE OCTOPUS
God turns the heads of Kings.
I didn't hear laughter...only chatter...
ok....chatter....more activity? more communication? A lot of chatter has been going on has been stirred up between N. Korea, China, and Japan
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ok....chatter....more activity? more communication? A lot of chatter has been going on has been stirred up between N. Korea, China, and Japan
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A long time ago I got a strange vision of that was an abandoned dead city under the ice in Antartica. Very strange. The moutain was in the was carved into the shape of giant black octopus. It could symbolize a jezebel or a leviathan type demonic spirit. I did some research there are other dreams and visons of the octopus.
Here is one vision I read that may help: http://www.revlu.com/ed.htm
Also I did not expect this but there was a book called "the octopus" that was about exposing the CIA. I noted that you saw the words CIA on the octopus in your vision. I am not sure how this may relate but it could help.
Here is some info:
http://www.petry.org/markp/octopus1.htm
I didn't see the words CIA in my dream???
Years ago, I had an octopus dream. I was in a row boat out in the ocean. I was looking over the side and I could see a small octopus tentacle, I tried to follow it and it just kept getting bigger and bigger and seemed to stretch forever and then I noticed other tentacles going out in various directions. I tried to find the head but every time I got close to where it should be it kept squirting ink to hide itself.
The only interpretation that I got for the dream, is that it represents a network of evil and no one knows who is at the center.
Your brother in Christ,
Don
The only interpretation that I got for the dream, is that it represents a network of evil and no one knows who is at the center.
Your brother in Christ,
Don
iv not raed all the replys but an octopus can squeze through the narrowest of holes, because of the depth s they can swim to it makes their flesh able to transform in texsture
sometimes when i first open my eyes in the morning the Holy Spirit gives me somthing, today it was about our bodies, i was shown that what we are in spirit is not dependant on our bodies and that spiritualy we are working backwards
just like fruit is coverd with flesh and contains a seed within, our bodies contain the spiritual seed, we are being brought to the fullness where the spiritual man in us is able to change his body like the octopus does to get through the narrowest of holes, and the spirit will let us slip through the fabrick of the universe
Gary
sometimes when i first open my eyes in the morning the Holy Spirit gives me somthing, today it was about our bodies, i was shown that what we are in spirit is not dependant on our bodies and that spiritualy we are working backwards
just like fruit is coverd with flesh and contains a seed within, our bodies contain the spiritual seed, we are being brought to the fullness where the spiritual man in us is able to change his body like the octopus does to get through the narrowest of holes, and the spirit will let us slip through the fabrick of the universe
Gary
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I didn't see the words CIA in my dream???
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"At first glance I had not noticed this dream was from early November. I sat on the couch and thought and I started to see the octopus.
I saw the head very clearly as described by your review..."This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth."
"I saw the letters, "CIA" on the head. The organs and mouth of the president?"
"It has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank."
The ability to go undercover to solve mazes, retrieve "food" ( secret information) "inside the jar" (a foreign nation,) to "mimic" the countrymen of that nation ( different tank) to avoid discovery.
"Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things"
The arms are the communications links. The "suckers" are the spies. The tentacles reach far and near.
" But when excited, the octopus can change colors..."
Ditto CIA
"The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly."
The CIA is fluid in it's ability to back out of situatuations, perhaps leaving a "fall guy" as a diversion...like Osama Bin Laden...they used to fuel him, also Saddam...
"Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it. "
The US gov has been recalcitrant in using the arm to advantage. The motivation has been advertised as one of ridding the world of a despotic dictator with access to WMD, but perhaps the clandestine intent was simply to establish a base of operations in the mid east apart from a need to deploy through Turkey (imagine that..turkey!) and at the same time be close to oil reserves which will be all so important into the future...
but now it is time to be separated from that event...
My thought about the severed arm is that they were given "duff gen" (false intelligence) about Iraq and WMD. Heads will roll as a result...people in positions of power and trust who misread the cards get axed (cut off)...
Now it is time for a new armada of fishing boats to go out...under protest... for fear of the same result of lost contact...
The phone rang...first thought..." It must be a prank call." "They didn't say anything." The disruption of the peace which occurs by this type of call in the middle of the night is sufficient to worry the recipient all night. (terrorist threat)
"I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up."
This is so similar to my frozen turkey dream...in my dream an insane laughter from within the freezer, an oriental face....the ice fog low to the ground...an implied capture of goods by deception...market and financial strategy winning over military might.
More may follow...one tends to have to go forward a step at a time...this thread is alive because it is conjunctively joined to others."
Maz saw the same here sorry Miki... but I think everyone's got this dream nailed on the head. 
I guess l still have no clue what you are talking about??
It sounds like you have this mixed up with someone elses dream? l'll go back when l have time and read the entire string.
The Octopus is the terrorist network. This was clearly revealed.
certainly not our government? It doesn't even make sense?
It sounds like you have this mixed up with someone elses dream? l'll go back when l have time and read the entire string.
The Octopus is the terrorist network. This was clearly revealed.
certainly not our government? It doesn't even make sense?
QUOTE(gary steed @ Jul 25 2006, 01:02 AM)
iv not raed all the replys but an octopus can squeze through the narrowest of holes, because of the depth s they can swim to it makes their flesh able to transform in texsture
sometimes when i first open my eyes in the morning the Holy Spirit gives me somthing, today it was about our bodies, i was shown that what we are in spirit is not dependant on our bodies and that spiritualy we are working backwards
just like fruit is coverd with flesh and contains a seed within, our bodies contain the spiritual seed, we are being brought to the fullness where the spiritual man in us is able to change his body like the octopus does to get through the narrowest of holes, and the spirit will let us slip through the fabrick of the universe
Gary
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sometimes when i first open my eyes in the morning the Holy Spirit gives me somthing, today it was about our bodies, i was shown that what we are in spirit is not dependant on our bodies and that spiritualy we are working backwards
just like fruit is coverd with flesh and contains a seed within, our bodies contain the spiritual seed, we are being brought to the fullness where the spiritual man in us is able to change his body like the octopus does to get through the narrowest of holes, and the spirit will let us slip through the fabrick of the universe
Gary
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if you are saying that this does not make sence, it was just some info i thought id add about this creacher
Gary
Gary...It wasn't yours it was this one.
"At first glance I had not noticed this dream was from early November. I sat on the couch and thought and I started to see the octopus.
I saw the head very clearly as described by your review..."This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth."
"I saw the letters, "CIA" on the head. The organs and mouth of the president?"
"It has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank."
The ability to go undercover to solve mazes, retrieve "food" ( secret information) "inside the jar" (a foreign nation,) to "mimic" the countrymen of that nation ( different tank) to avoid discovery.
"Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things"
The arms are the communications links. The "suckers" are the spies. The tentacles reach far and near.
" But when excited, the octopus can change colors..."
Ditto CIA
"The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly."
The CIA is fluid in it's ability to back out of situatuations, perhaps leaving a "fall guy" as a diversion...like Osama Bin Laden...they used to fuel him, also Saddam...
"Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it. "
The US gov has been recalcitrant in using the arm to advantage. The motivation has been advertised as one of ridding the world of a despotic dictator with access to WMD, but perhaps the clandestine intent was simply to establish a base of operations in the mid east apart from a need to deploy through Turkey (imagine that..turkey!) and at the same time be close to oil reserves which will be all so important into the future...
but now it is time to be separated from that event...
My thought about the severed arm is that they were given "duff gen" (false intelligence) about Iraq and WMD. Heads will roll as a result...people in positions of power and trust who misread the cards get axed (cut off)...
Now it is time for a new armada of fishing boats to go out...under protest... for fear of the same result of lost contact...
The phone rang...first thought..." It must be a prank call." "They didn't say anything." The disruption of the peace which occurs by this type of call in the middle of the night is sufficient to worry the recipient all night. (terrorist threat)
"I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up."
This is so similar to my frozen turkey dream...in my dream an insane laughter from within the freezer, an oriental face....the ice fog low to the ground...an implied capture of goods by deception...market and financial strategy winning over military might.
More may follow...one tends to have to go forward a step at a time...this thread is alive because it is conjunctively joined to others."
Maz saw the same here sorry Miki... but I think everyone's got this dream nailed on the head.
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QUOTE(Miki @ Jul 24 2006, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see the words CIA in my dream???
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"At first glance I had not noticed this dream was from early November. I sat on the couch and thought and I started to see the octopus.
I saw the head very clearly as described by your review..."This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth."
"I saw the letters, "CIA" on the head. The organs and mouth of the president?"
"It has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank."
The ability to go undercover to solve mazes, retrieve "food" ( secret information) "inside the jar" (a foreign nation,) to "mimic" the countrymen of that nation ( different tank) to avoid discovery.
"Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things"
The arms are the communications links. The "suckers" are the spies. The tentacles reach far and near.
" But when excited, the octopus can change colors..."
Ditto CIA
"The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly."
The CIA is fluid in it's ability to back out of situatuations, perhaps leaving a "fall guy" as a diversion...like Osama Bin Laden...they used to fuel him, also Saddam...
"Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it. "
The US gov has been recalcitrant in using the arm to advantage. The motivation has been advertised as one of ridding the world of a despotic dictator with access to WMD, but perhaps the clandestine intent was simply to establish a base of operations in the mid east apart from a need to deploy through Turkey (imagine that..turkey!) and at the same time be close to oil reserves which will be all so important into the future...
but now it is time to be separated from that event...
My thought about the severed arm is that they were given "duff gen" (false intelligence) about Iraq and WMD. Heads will roll as a result...people in positions of power and trust who misread the cards get axed (cut off)...
Now it is time for a new armada of fishing boats to go out...under protest... for fear of the same result of lost contact...
The phone rang...first thought..." It must be a prank call." "They didn't say anything." The disruption of the peace which occurs by this type of call in the middle of the night is sufficient to worry the recipient all night. (terrorist threat)
"I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up."
This is so similar to my frozen turkey dream...in my dream an insane laughter from within the freezer, an oriental face....the ice fog low to the ground...an implied capture of goods by deception...market and financial strategy winning over military might.
More may follow...one tends to have to go forward a step at a time...this thread is alive because it is conjunctively joined to others."
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This is Maz's interpretation..It's not correct.
The dream is simple and easy to interpret and it's not the below. I have the last say.
"At first glance I had not noticed this dream was from early November. I sat on the couch and thought and I started to see the octopus.
I saw the head very clearly as described by your review..."This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth."
"I saw the letters, "CIA" on the head. The organs and mouth of the president?"
"It has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank."
The ability to go undercover to solve mazes, retrieve "food" ( secret information) "inside the jar" (a foreign nation,) to "mimic" the countrymen of that nation ( different tank) to avoid discovery.
"Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things"
The arms are the communications links. The "suckers" are the spies. The tentacles reach far and near.
" But when excited, the octopus can change colors..."
Ditto CIA
"The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly."
The CIA is fluid in it's ability to back out of situatuations, perhaps leaving a "fall guy" as a diversion...like Osama Bin Laden...they used to fuel him, also Saddam...
"Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it. "
The US gov has been recalcitrant in using the arm to advantage. The motivation has been advertised as one of ridding the world of a despotic dictator with access to WMD, but perhaps the clandestine intent was simply to establish a base of operations in the mid east apart from a need to deploy through Turkey (imagine that..turkey!) and at the same time be close to oil reserves which will be all so important into the future...
but now it is time to be separated from that event...
My thought about the severed arm is that they were given "duff gen" (false intelligence) about Iraq and WMD. Heads will roll as a result...people in positions of power and trust who misread the cards get axed (cut off)...
Now it is time for a new armada of fishing boats to go out...under protest... for fear of the same result of lost contact...
The phone rang...first thought..." It must be a prank call." "They didn't say anything." The disruption of the peace which occurs by this type of call in the middle of the night is sufficient to worry the recipient all night. (terrorist threat)
"I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up."
This is so similar to my frozen turkey dream...in my dream an insane laughter from within the freezer, an oriental face....the ice fog low to the ground...an implied capture of goods by deception...market and financial strategy winning over military might.
More may follow...one tends to have to go forward a step at a time...this thread is alive because it is conjunctively joined to others."
Maz saw the same here sorry Miki... but I think everyone's got this dream nailed on the head.
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The dream is simple and easy to interpret and it's not the below. I have the last say.
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QUOTE(Miki @ Jul 24 2006, 07:45 AM)
I didn't see the words CIA in my dream???
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"At first glance I had not noticed this dream was from early November. I sat on the couch and thought and I started to see the octopus.
I saw the head very clearly as described by your review..."This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth."
"I saw the letters, "CIA" on the head. The organs and mouth of the president?"
"It has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank."
The ability to go undercover to solve mazes, retrieve "food" ( secret information) "inside the jar" (a foreign nation,) to "mimic" the countrymen of that nation ( different tank) to avoid discovery.
"Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things"
The arms are the communications links. The "suckers" are the spies. The tentacles reach far and near.
" But when excited, the octopus can change colors..."
Ditto CIA
"The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly."
The CIA is fluid in it's ability to back out of situatuations, perhaps leaving a "fall guy" as a diversion...like Osama Bin Laden...they used to fuel him, also Saddam...
"Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it. "
The US gov has been recalcitrant in using the arm to advantage. The motivation has been advertised as one of ridding the world of a despotic dictator with access to WMD, but perhaps the clandestine intent was simply to establish a base of operations in the mid east apart from a need to deploy through Turkey (imagine that..turkey!) and at the same time be close to oil reserves which will be all so important into the future...
but now it is time to be separated from that event...
My thought about the severed arm is that they were given "duff gen" (false intelligence) about Iraq and WMD. Heads will roll as a result...people in positions of power and trust who misread the cards get axed (cut off)...
Now it is time for a new armada of fishing boats to go out...under protest... for fear of the same result of lost contact...
The phone rang...first thought..." It must be a prank call." "They didn't say anything." The disruption of the peace which occurs by this type of call in the middle of the night is sufficient to worry the recipient all night. (terrorist threat)
"I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up."
This is so similar to my frozen turkey dream...in my dream an insane laughter from within the freezer, an oriental face....the ice fog low to the ground...an implied capture of goods by deception...market and financial strategy winning over military might.
More may follow...one tends to have to go forward a step at a time...this thread is alive because it is conjunctively joined to others."
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Wellington, New Zealand...Rare Squid Could be Largest Ever Hooked! could weight a half a ton...guess you saw this on the news. 
and I come to questioning...but Trust in the LORD our GOD.
Why has United States gone to Israel with all their meetings...last...after meeting with Saudi Arabia? just do a search on the meetings with their Princes.
I continually come back to...Don't put your trust in Egypt...and Frevent has a point...just do a search on the meetings we have made with Saudi Arabia..Before negotiating with Israel.
THE FIRST SHALL BE THE LAST AND THE LAST SHALL BE THE FIRST!!!
Just after this last meeting with Prime Minister Olmert...and Rice...after turning down. the road map false peace plan...who ran to Saudi Arabia to have a meeting after given options and sanctions put on them...IRAN.
So why does US first go to Saudi Arabia and then Iran RUNS TO THEM...Who's calling the shots? Who's pressuring Israel and Us to abide in THEIR WILL...The quartet...Saudia Arabia? I think so.
I pray for our government, and also Israel...seems we are being pressured by all other nations to close on issues at the expence of saving our own hides. God will come through...he is the Victory...and his word is coming true every moment it gets more intense..the clock is moving at a fast pace.
Makes me only turn to Jesus...beleive and trust in him alone...even Christ tells us...there will be fighting amongst us in our families...now more than ever put on the sheild of Faith and walk in the will of our Heavenly Father...he loves us and will keep us around as long as he needs be...God's blessings to you this day and always.
and I come to questioning...but Trust in the LORD our GOD.
Why has United States gone to Israel with all their meetings...last...after meeting with Saudi Arabia? just do a search on the meetings with their Princes.
I continually come back to...Don't put your trust in Egypt...and Frevent has a point...just do a search on the meetings we have made with Saudi Arabia..Before negotiating with Israel.
THE FIRST SHALL BE THE LAST AND THE LAST SHALL BE THE FIRST!!!
Just after this last meeting with Prime Minister Olmert...and Rice...after turning down. the road map false peace plan...who ran to Saudi Arabia to have a meeting after given options and sanctions put on them...IRAN.
So why does US first go to Saudi Arabia and then Iran RUNS TO THEM...Who's calling the shots? Who's pressuring Israel and Us to abide in THEIR WILL...The quartet...Saudia Arabia? I think so.
I pray for our government, and also Israel...seems we are being pressured by all other nations to close on issues at the expence of saving our own hides. God will come through...he is the Victory...and his word is coming true every moment it gets more intense..the clock is moving at a fast pace.
Makes me only turn to Jesus...beleive and trust in him alone...even Christ tells us...there will be fighting amongst us in our families...now more than ever put on the sheild of Faith and walk in the will of our Heavenly Father...he loves us and will keep us around as long as he needs be...God's blessings to you this day and always.
because we have to try and please everybody. and oil...
octopus...terrorist network
President Bush isn't hunting the cia...
the dream is easy to uderstand.
By we watch everything don't we...
octopus...terrorist network
President Bush isn't hunting the cia...
the dream is easy to uderstand.
By we watch everything don't we...
QUOTE(Miki @ Feb 23 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]103233[/snapback]
because we have to try and please everybody. and oil...
octopus...terrorist network
President Bush isn't hunting the cia...
the dream is easy to uderstand.
By we watch everything don't we...
The Octopus is known to represent CIA in fact there is book that calls it theOctopus so to speak. However as you point out Miki Bush would not be hunting the CIA. In this instance it is terrorism but like the CIA--- the Octopus a hidden spy network that is being hunted here. So the Octopus more likely represents a global spy network-- and this particlar one is the terrorism Octopus.
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 5 2004, 06:44 AM) [snapback]3386[/snapback]
Octopus Dream:
I dreamt that President Bush was hunting Octopus. He'd sent out fishing boats and had gotten what seemed to be one small arm but nobody was talking much about it.
Then he got a great big huge arm and l could clearly see the severed arm laying on the ground. They were cutting it up and selling it.
Then l could see the fishing boats go out again. People were protesting against it.
Then l woke up from the dream. I got up. It was only 2:30 in the morning. I put on my robe and laid back down for a while. As l was laying there thinking about the dream the phone rang! It was 2:30! It must be a prank call... I answered hello quietly. They didn't say anything. Then a man started saying "Hey! Hey! But l didn't answer l just waited. I could hear a lot of people in the back ground and a women speaking in an oriental language. Then my phone started beeping as the battery was low and l hung up.
Here's some interesting facts about the Octupus....
http://www.npca.org/marine_and_coastal/mar...ife/octopus.asp
Giant Pacific Octopus (Octopus dofleini)
Factoid: The giant Pacific octopus is an intelligent creature. In laboratory tests and aquariums, it has been able to solve mazes very quickly, unscrew jar lids to retrieve food inside the jar, and even mimic another octopus in a different tank.
The giant Pacific octopus is one of the largest species of octopods. Its reddish-brown body, called the mantle, plus four pairs of arms, measure on average about 16 feet long from arm tip to arm tip. The record weight for a Pacific giant is 600 pounds, but most weigh about 50 to 90 pounds. Newly hatched young are the size of a grain of rice.
This octopus's head is globe-shaped and contains all the octopus' organs and mouth. In the mouth is a beak that is made of the same substance as the human fingernail. The octopus uses the beak to kill prey and bite it into pieces. Each arm contains two alternating rows of suckers, used to catch prey and even taste things.
At rest, the octopus's skin is smooth and a light brownish color. But when excited, the octopus can change colors by contracting skin cells filled with pigment. This ability also allows it to camouflage itself when hunting for prey, such as shrimp, crabs, scallops, abalones, clams, and fish. The octopus can also rapidly force water out of its body, propelling itself backwards. It uses this ability to escape prey quickly. It can also squirt ink at an attacker and escape while hidden by the ink cloud.
The giant Pacific octopus lives along rocky shores in tide pools and in areas from the low-tide line to depths of 1,650 feet. It can be found along the Pacific coast from Alaska to southern California.
An octopus has eight tentacles with suckers. Eight is seven plus one. The start of something new. A new week a new beginning, a new era. (such as post 9-11) Someone said that they thought the octopus represents terrorism. I believe the octopus does represent the enemy. An octopus will use the suckers on it's tentacles to catch its prey. It has a large distinct head and a strong mouth. Scientist say the octopus is very intelligent and can move their arms to imitate other sea creatures. All in all very deceptive behavior in order to catch its prey. I believe this is representative of the terrorist and the enemy that the president wants to catch. Him sending out fishing boats does speak for his being the commander and the sending of the troops to hunt for this enemy. Arms do speak of power and strength. Considering the timing of your dream I believe your dream was prophetic Miki as the small arm does speak of just a small portion of the enemy that has been captured but it is not the strength of this enemy. Cutting up the larger arm symbolises the cutting down the size of this enemy I believe your dream was showing the trouble that the President would have in trying to "sell" the country on the serious danger of the larger enemy at hand and the continuous hunt for them. The boats going out again and the people protesting defintely speak of this.
And we're still waiting to see the ringing phone come into play...they go together. Also when and where the boats go out again?
Yes, Miki.
Soon... pres only has a year and a half left in office.
Soon... pres only has a year and a half left in office.
Yes...And have we deployed all the new troops yet? I quit watching...
Also...he's going to be a lame duck pretty soon unless something big happens.
Also...he's going to be a lame duck pretty soon unless something big happens.
Even GI's have signed a petition to end the war. IF Bush is so supportive of the troops...why doesn't he lestin to them, will he dare call them unpatrotic because the GI's don't agree this war should continue?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/22/...in2505412.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/02/22/...in2505412.shtml
Some interesting thoughts here Signet.
I think this was just a localized---- at the moment dream----- refering to a particular point in time and not a grand scheme dream--- as well Signet. Yet important enough for revealing maybe? Huh?
God uses men for his purposes. He used the Babylonians for Chastisement. Just because he uses Bush doesn't mean l look to Bush...Get it outta your head Squirrel...
And Squirrel....GOD is in control...Not George Bush so why do you keep handing the reigns over to him?
He uses men for his purposes... The codes have certainly proven that. Just because God's using him doesn't make him anything more than a sinful man like the rest of us. So why would l look up to him before God? Politics isn't the making or breaking of things. GOD IS... And as l said in another string. The invasion of Iraq has delayed Hell on earth...for a reason and a season...Make best use of the time....
Squirrel..
God is using the American troops along with others...but mostly American as a restraining force around the world. I believe our own sinfulness has eroded our power and God will soon lift his hand of protection...but don't get hung up on Bush...he's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
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God will tear down every idol, every idol...and will do so at the
same time as we see the idols fall in the world...so we will have
a heads up, so to speak
same time as we see the idols fall in the world...so we will have
a heads up, so to speak
I think this was just a localized---- at the moment dream----- refering to a particular point in time and not a grand scheme dream--- as well Signet. Yet important enough for revealing maybe? Huh?
God uses men for his purposes. He used the Babylonians for Chastisement. Just because he uses Bush doesn't mean l look to Bush...Get it outta your head Squirrel...
And Squirrel....GOD is in control...Not George Bush so why do you keep handing the reigns over to him?
He uses men for his purposes... The codes have certainly proven that. Just because God's using him doesn't make him anything more than a sinful man like the rest of us. So why would l look up to him before God? Politics isn't the making or breaking of things. GOD IS... And as l said in another string. The invasion of Iraq has delayed Hell on earth...for a reason and a season...Make best use of the time....
Squirrel..
God is using the American troops along with others...but mostly American as a restraining force around the world. I believe our own sinfulness has eroded our power and God will soon lift his hand of protection...but don't get hung up on Bush...he's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things.
Eight years ago, when Clinton was still President, I had an octopus dream. To understand my dream I have to tell you something about myself, I'm a staunch anti-communist. I wasn't always that way, when I was 15 (33 years ago) I naively thought that communism sounded great, where everyone shared everything equally. So when we were asked to do a report on a system of government, I choose communism. I went to the school library and the public library and got every book on communism I could find about 15 and I read every one. What I discovered was not a utopian form of government but an evil, murderous, anti-God, anti-Christ, system of slavery, hellbent on destruction and world domination...a wolf in sheep's clothing. I read, in the communists own words how, "the end justifies the means", meaning that anything could be done to promote world communism, including; lying, cheating, stealing, murder, terrorism. I was already a Christian at that time and I thought..."that aint right". The communists instructed that when communism takes over a country, that they were to murder any intellectuals, leaders, destroy churches and their leaders. Later I learned that the communists killed more people in the 20th century than died in all the wars combined (read the black book of communism).
Anyways, back to my dream. I was in a boat filled with people and we were looking over the side of the boat and we saw an octopus like creature. I say "like" because an octopus only has 8 legs and this creature had thousands. The legs all had names on them and we were straining to see the name on the head but every time we got close to seeing it, the octopus would squirt ink and hide it's head. The tenacles starting reaching into the boat and dragging people into the sea to drown them and we could see the names on the tenacles...Russia, China and I immeadiately thought, "the head is world communism". Then we saw the names on other tentacles and they were the names of terrorists and countries that support terrorism and I thought, "that makes sense because the communist train, support financially and arm the terrorists so they can fight the capitalists by proxy. Then I started to see names on other tenacles that didn't fit in with my theory, names of businessmen, organizations and leaders that weren't communist. Why would they be connected to communism? Especially the wealthy ones who would loose everything under communism.
The next day I started researching the names I saw in my dream and I found a common link, they were all tied to satanism. I also discovered that Marx and Stalin had ties to satanism as well and I knew the head was satan himself and all the names, organizations and countries were not necessarily satanist but were being used by him. This disturbed me greatly and I went to bed thinking how can Christians and Jews survive when there are so many far-reaching tenacles? That night I had another dream, I could see the earth as if from space and God spoke to me in my dream, he said, "it is true that Satan has his army, but I also have mine". At that one soldier stood up on the earth and he had a breastplate of armor, a helmut, a shield, a sword and a spear but he was all alone. Then another soldier stood up, far away from the first but he was identically armed. And God spoke to me again and said, "You see my soldiers, they don't appear to be connected, but they have my spirit within them and when I speak, they will stand up as one man to destroy the beast". After he said that, millions of soldiers stood up as one man all around the world, in every country and continent, each was identically armed.
This bible verse comes to mind...
Ephesians 6
The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
Anyways, back to my dream. I was in a boat filled with people and we were looking over the side of the boat and we saw an octopus like creature. I say "like" because an octopus only has 8 legs and this creature had thousands. The legs all had names on them and we were straining to see the name on the head but every time we got close to seeing it, the octopus would squirt ink and hide it's head. The tenacles starting reaching into the boat and dragging people into the sea to drown them and we could see the names on the tenacles...Russia, China and I immeadiately thought, "the head is world communism". Then we saw the names on other tentacles and they were the names of terrorists and countries that support terrorism and I thought, "that makes sense because the communist train, support financially and arm the terrorists so they can fight the capitalists by proxy. Then I started to see names on other tenacles that didn't fit in with my theory, names of businessmen, organizations and leaders that weren't communist. Why would they be connected to communism? Especially the wealthy ones who would loose everything under communism.
The next day I started researching the names I saw in my dream and I found a common link, they were all tied to satanism. I also discovered that Marx and Stalin had ties to satanism as well and I knew the head was satan himself and all the names, organizations and countries were not necessarily satanist but were being used by him. This disturbed me greatly and I went to bed thinking how can Christians and Jews survive when there are so many far-reaching tenacles? That night I had another dream, I could see the earth as if from space and God spoke to me in my dream, he said, "it is true that Satan has his army, but I also have mine". At that one soldier stood up on the earth and he had a breastplate of armor, a helmut, a shield, a sword and a spear but he was all alone. Then another soldier stood up, far away from the first but he was identically armed. And God spoke to me again and said, "You see my soldiers, they don't appear to be connected, but they have my spirit within them and when I speak, they will stand up as one man to destroy the beast". After he said that, millions of soldiers stood up as one man all around the world, in every country and continent, each was identically armed.
This bible verse comes to mind...
Ephesians 6
The Armor of God
10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
QUOTE(Miki @ Feb 26 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]103519[/snapback]
Also...he's going to be a lame duck pretty soon unless something big happens.
A BIG AMEN TO THAT!
squirrel... you think the pres might even be taken out by the powers that be?
That's a wow Don....
I remember when Stephen was here and he talked about Gog being a chief Prince and ruler over Russia ect....That's stayed with me....Even though l don't see eye to eye with everything Stephen says l've given this thoughtful consideration.
http://www.prophecy1.blogspot.com/
I remember when Stephen was here and he talked about Gog being a chief Prince and ruler over Russia ect....That's stayed with me....Even though l don't see eye to eye with everything Stephen says l've given this thoughtful consideration.
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Who is Gog
God addresses "Gog" in Ezekiel 38 and 39 with respect to Israel's return to the Land of Israel at the end of this current age.
Careful study of Ezekiel's vision and other related Scriptures are necessary in order to identify Gog and his involvement over a very broad time frame.
This includes his connection to both the spirit world, human kings, and the human organizations contained within the dominions of the human kings.
There are some identifiers and other links to be considered which will lead to the realization that Gog is not human.
This entity has angelic characteristics which can be determined by studying the identifiers and the links.
Gog is identified by other Biblical prophets as being connected with different human rulers, in different geographical areas, at different times, over periods which exceed the limitations of human life span. [Ezekiel 38:17]
God's angelic creatures do not age and are the same as they were at their creation. This angelic trait allows for perpetual involvement over vast time periods. [Ezekiel 28:11-19] [Revelation 20:1-3]
God notes that Gog is a subject of many of the prophets, yet he is referred to as "Gog" in only one other place in Scripture in the Book of Revelation. This must mean that he is identified by different profiles. [Ezekiel 38:17]
All other references refer to him or his agents by some other name or title. For example, Daniel sees the prince that is to come (Abaddon) and the little horn (human king). Both of these entities will be empowered and directed by Satan.
Gog is described as the chief prince, in this case, of Mesheck and Tubal. The term "prince" is usually applied to an angelic ruler who rules over, influences, and operates through human kings (horns). [Ezekiel 38:2]
The term "chief prince" indicates that this prince is the ruler or leader of others of the same kind. I do not believe the Hebrew word "rosh" used for chief is in reference to Russia as some teach, but should be translated as chief or head prince.
The title of "prince" is revealed to Daniel in describing angelic activity related to the archangel Michael's battle against the opposing forces of the princes of Persia and of Grecia. [Daniel 10:13-20]
The title of prince is used by God when addressing the human king of Tyre. The message goes beyond the king to another entity who apparently has interaction and control over the king. [Ezekiel 28:11-19]
Isaiah contains references addressed to the prince of Babylon and to Lucifer. These are descriptions of Satan's existence as an angelic being and his connection with humanity. [Isaiah 14:12-17]
Another prince that "shall come" will be revealed at the end of this age during Israel's 70th week. Daniel contrasts this entity with Jesus, the Messiah, the Prince that was "cut off". [Daniel 9:26-27]
This prince will stand against (oppose) the Prince of Princes, who is Jesus. The result of the conflict will be the destruction of this prince (first beast of Revelation) in the lake of fire at Armageddon. [Revelation 19:20]
Other references to Satan and his agents in the visions of the prophets include the Assyrian, prince of Persia, prince of Grecia, king of the abyss, the destroyer, man of lawless, and son of perdition.
Satan plays the role of "chief prince" when his angelic agents are functional. He is the power behind them as they do his bidding in relation to the influence and control of human kings and their dominions. [Ezekiel 38:2]
I believe that Abaddon is Satan's (Gog's) agent for all seven heads (human dominions) as they are defined in Revelation 13 and 17. He is the beast from the abyss.
It is clearly stated that "the beast (Abaddon) has seven heads". Five have fallen (are historical) and the other two will exist in sequence during the 70th week. [Revelation 17:7-13]
Abaddon's connection with the seven human king "positions" is limited to influence and control. He is "of the seven" and is connected with all of them.
This limitation will change when God allows him to become the eighth king himself by an actual incarnation. This is the "lie" and strong delusion that God will send.
It will occur during the little horn's rule in the seventh king position. "Of the seven" can also be translated "of the seventh" which more specifically describes Abaddon's connection with the little horn. [Revelation 17:11]
He will then become the 8th king himself. This manifestation will be exceptionally unique to humans who experience his presence. [2Thessalonians 2:3-12]
The little horn will expand his sixth Middle Eastern dominion toward the south, the east, and toward Israel by forming alliances and by conquest. [Daniel 8:9]
He will be occupying the seventh king position of the seventh dominion when Abaddon becomes the eighth king himself by incarnating the little horn. [Revelation 17:11]
Abaddon will rule directly as king over most of the Middle East for a 42 month period (1,260 days) which will occur during the last half of the 70th week. [Daniel 11:36-44]
He will be destroyed by God in the lake of fire at the end of the next 30 day period, and Satan will be sent to the abyss for 1,000 years. [Revelation 19:20, 20:1-3]
Revelation 20 records Satan's future release after the 1,000 years and his attempt to deceive the nations once more.
He is referred to as Gog again, and all of the nations involved are referred to symbolically as Magog. [Revelation 20:7-10]
God addresses Satan as Gog in Ezekiel and Revelation because of his early connections with the inhabitants of the Land of Magog shortly after the flood.
The focus of Bible prophecy presents the view of Satan's activities, specifically in the northern regions of the Middle East. [Ezekiel 38:15]
I believe this is because of the area's position in relation to Eden, Mount Ararat, and its northern interface with the Land of Israel.
The larger land areas of the early habitations of humans in the Middle East shortly after the flood are described in the Bible as the Land of Egypt, the Land of Canaan, the Land of Magog, and the Land of Shinar.
These lands formed a crescent shape from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf starting with the Land of Egypt and ending with the Land of Shinar in clockwise order.
The Land of Israel was developed later which replaced part of the Land of Canaan on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean.
The area of the ancient Land of Magog today would include northeastern Syria, eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, and possibly Armenia and Georgia.
It is currently inhabited by a mixed group of original ethnic tribal ancestry plus genetic lineage from the other land areas of the Middle East.
Members of Magog's descendants have also migrated to other parts of the earth over a long period of time.
The current populations located in the ancient Land of Magog are mainly Turkoman, Assyrian, Kurdish, Iranian (Medes and Persians), and Arab.
The predominant religion is Islam. This common theology may have significance with regard to end time events.
The core of the area in view is northeastern Turkey, northern Syria, northern Iraq, and northwestern Iran. This area is in a state of change as a result of the USA invading Iraq.
This is most likely where Satan's antichrist (Abaddon incarnated in the little horn) will arise to power in the Middle East at the time of the end.
Why does God addressed Satan as Gog, connect him with the Land of Magog, and identify him as the chief prince of Mesheck and Tubal?
Why does God call him out of his place in the north to attack a regathered Israel in the Land of Israel at the end of this age?
God has allowed Satan to rule over this northern geographical area, from shortly after the flood and continuously through Greek rule.
The visions of the prophets indicate his presence in the same geographical area at the time of the end.
Included are the original Land of Magog, the Akkadian/Assyrian Empire, and the subsequent empires of neo-Babylon, Persia, and Grecia.
All of these human dominions were centered in the ancient Middle East with connections to the northern area of the Fertile Crescent. This same area will be Satan's base of operation at the time of the end.
He will come from his place out of the north, the ancient area of the Land of Magog, with the objective of seizing control of the Middle East and destroying the nation of Israel.
Satan's strategy for this event will include Abaddon, the false prophet who appears in the Land of Israel, and the little horn who will become the human manifestation of Abaddon.
The little horn will emerge from the same area as "king of the north" and he will expand his rule to include much of the Middle East.
He is seen as coming out of the northern division of Alexander's divided empire at the time of the end. He will then expand his control over most of the Middle East.[Daniel 8:9-12, 8:23-25]
One important identifier will be the location of his original base of operation at the time of the end, and not necessarily his ethnic origin.
He does not have to be a direct descendant of Magog, although this is a possibility, but he must appear in the area of the ancient Land of Magog.
Satan is the "chief prince", as indicated in one of his former relationships with the trading centers of Mesheck and Tubal. Magog's younger brothers were the founders of these two early prominent commercial centers of trade. [Ezekiel 27:13, 38:2]
Abaddon is the angelic "prince" who carries out Satan's bidding, and the little horn is the human ruler who will be incarnated by Abaddon at the time of the end. [Revelation 17:8-11]
A very important truth is revealed from these identifiers. Satan will attempt to mimic the relationship that God has with Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God and also the Son of Man. He is both God and human.
Satan aspires to replace God and will offer Abaddon as his christ (antichrist) who will appear to humans as being both a god and human. [2Thessalonians 2:3-12]
Abaddon's power as a fallen angel will be far greater than any ordinary human. His willingness and ability to destroy will not be matched. He will astonish humans who see him and they will believe his claim to be a god. [Daniel 8:23-25] [Revelation 13:2-8]
God addresses Satan as Gog in Ezekiel and Satan is called Gog in Revelation. The ancient Land of Magog in the Middle East has been and will be Satan's point of origin on the earth at the time of the end.
God addresses "Gog" in Ezekiel 38 and 39 with respect to Israel's return to the Land of Israel at the end of this current age.
Careful study of Ezekiel's vision and other related Scriptures are necessary in order to identify Gog and his involvement over a very broad time frame.
This includes his connection to both the spirit world, human kings, and the human organizations contained within the dominions of the human kings.
There are some identifiers and other links to be considered which will lead to the realization that Gog is not human.
This entity has angelic characteristics which can be determined by studying the identifiers and the links.
Gog is identified by other Biblical prophets as being connected with different human rulers, in different geographical areas, at different times, over periods which exceed the limitations of human life span. [Ezekiel 38:17]
God's angelic creatures do not age and are the same as they were at their creation. This angelic trait allows for perpetual involvement over vast time periods. [Ezekiel 28:11-19] [Revelation 20:1-3]
God notes that Gog is a subject of many of the prophets, yet he is referred to as "Gog" in only one other place in Scripture in the Book of Revelation. This must mean that he is identified by different profiles. [Ezekiel 38:17]
All other references refer to him or his agents by some other name or title. For example, Daniel sees the prince that is to come (Abaddon) and the little horn (human king). Both of these entities will be empowered and directed by Satan.
Gog is described as the chief prince, in this case, of Mesheck and Tubal. The term "prince" is usually applied to an angelic ruler who rules over, influences, and operates through human kings (horns). [Ezekiel 38:2]
The term "chief prince" indicates that this prince is the ruler or leader of others of the same kind. I do not believe the Hebrew word "rosh" used for chief is in reference to Russia as some teach, but should be translated as chief or head prince.
The title of "prince" is revealed to Daniel in describing angelic activity related to the archangel Michael's battle against the opposing forces of the princes of Persia and of Grecia. [Daniel 10:13-20]
The title of prince is used by God when addressing the human king of Tyre. The message goes beyond the king to another entity who apparently has interaction and control over the king. [Ezekiel 28:11-19]
Isaiah contains references addressed to the prince of Babylon and to Lucifer. These are descriptions of Satan's existence as an angelic being and his connection with humanity. [Isaiah 14:12-17]
Another prince that "shall come" will be revealed at the end of this age during Israel's 70th week. Daniel contrasts this entity with Jesus, the Messiah, the Prince that was "cut off". [Daniel 9:26-27]
This prince will stand against (oppose) the Prince of Princes, who is Jesus. The result of the conflict will be the destruction of this prince (first beast of Revelation) in the lake of fire at Armageddon. [Revelation 19:20]
Other references to Satan and his agents in the visions of the prophets include the Assyrian, prince of Persia, prince of Grecia, king of the abyss, the destroyer, man of lawless, and son of perdition.
Satan plays the role of "chief prince" when his angelic agents are functional. He is the power behind them as they do his bidding in relation to the influence and control of human kings and their dominions. [Ezekiel 38:2]
I believe that Abaddon is Satan's (Gog's) agent for all seven heads (human dominions) as they are defined in Revelation 13 and 17. He is the beast from the abyss.
It is clearly stated that "the beast (Abaddon) has seven heads". Five have fallen (are historical) and the other two will exist in sequence during the 70th week. [Revelation 17:7-13]
Abaddon's connection with the seven human king "positions" is limited to influence and control. He is "of the seven" and is connected with all of them.
This limitation will change when God allows him to become the eighth king himself by an actual incarnation. This is the "lie" and strong delusion that God will send.
It will occur during the little horn's rule in the seventh king position. "Of the seven" can also be translated "of the seventh" which more specifically describes Abaddon's connection with the little horn. [Revelation 17:11]
He will then become the 8th king himself. This manifestation will be exceptionally unique to humans who experience his presence. [2Thessalonians 2:3-12]
The little horn will expand his sixth Middle Eastern dominion toward the south, the east, and toward Israel by forming alliances and by conquest. [Daniel 8:9]
He will be occupying the seventh king position of the seventh dominion when Abaddon becomes the eighth king himself by incarnating the little horn. [Revelation 17:11]
Abaddon will rule directly as king over most of the Middle East for a 42 month period (1,260 days) which will occur during the last half of the 70th week. [Daniel 11:36-44]
He will be destroyed by God in the lake of fire at the end of the next 30 day period, and Satan will be sent to the abyss for 1,000 years. [Revelation 19:20, 20:1-3]
Revelation 20 records Satan's future release after the 1,000 years and his attempt to deceive the nations once more.
He is referred to as Gog again, and all of the nations involved are referred to symbolically as Magog. [Revelation 20:7-10]
God addresses Satan as Gog in Ezekiel and Revelation because of his early connections with the inhabitants of the Land of Magog shortly after the flood.
The focus of Bible prophecy presents the view of Satan's activities, specifically in the northern regions of the Middle East. [Ezekiel 38:15]
I believe this is because of the area's position in relation to Eden, Mount Ararat, and its northern interface with the Land of Israel.
The larger land areas of the early habitations of humans in the Middle East shortly after the flood are described in the Bible as the Land of Egypt, the Land of Canaan, the Land of Magog, and the Land of Shinar.
These lands formed a crescent shape from the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf starting with the Land of Egypt and ending with the Land of Shinar in clockwise order.
The Land of Israel was developed later which replaced part of the Land of Canaan on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean.
The area of the ancient Land of Magog today would include northeastern Syria, eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, and possibly Armenia and Georgia.
It is currently inhabited by a mixed group of original ethnic tribal ancestry plus genetic lineage from the other land areas of the Middle East.
Members of Magog's descendants have also migrated to other parts of the earth over a long period of time.
The current populations located in the ancient Land of Magog are mainly Turkoman, Assyrian, Kurdish, Iranian (Medes and Persians), and Arab.
The predominant religion is Islam. This common theology may have significance with regard to end time events.
The core of the area in view is northeastern Turkey, northern Syria, northern Iraq, and northwestern Iran. This area is in a state of change as a result of the USA invading Iraq.
This is most likely where Satan's antichrist (Abaddon incarnated in the little horn) will arise to power in the Middle East at the time of the end.
Why does God addressed Satan as Gog, connect him with the Land of Magog, and identify him as the chief prince of Mesheck and Tubal?
Why does God call him out of his place in the north to attack a regathered Israel in the Land of Israel at the end of this age?
God has allowed Satan to rule over this northern geographical area, from shortly after the flood and continuously through Greek rule.
The visions of the prophets indicate his presence in the same geographical area at the time of the end.
Included are the original Land of Magog, the Akkadian/Assyrian Empire, and the subsequent empires of neo-Babylon, Persia, and Grecia.
All of these human dominions were centered in the ancient Middle East with connections to the northern area of the Fertile Crescent. This same area will be Satan's base of operation at the time of the end.
He will come from his place out of the north, the ancient area of the Land of Magog, with the objective of seizing control of the Middle East and destroying the nation of Israel.
Satan's strategy for this event will include Abaddon, the false prophet who appears in the Land of Israel, and the little horn who will become the human manifestation of Abaddon.
The little horn will emerge from the same area as "king of the north" and he will expand his rule to include much of the Middle East.
He is seen as coming out of the northern division of Alexander's divided empire at the time of the end. He will then expand his control over most of the Middle East.[Daniel 8:9-12, 8:23-25]
One important identifier will be the location of his original base of operation at the time of the end, and not necessarily his ethnic origin.
He does not have to be a direct descendant of Magog, although this is a possibility, but he must appear in the area of the ancient Land of Magog.
Satan is the "chief prince", as indicated in one of his former relationships with the trading centers of Mesheck and Tubal. Magog's younger brothers were the founders of these two early prominent commercial centers of trade. [Ezekiel 27:13, 38:2]
Abaddon is the angelic "prince" who carries out Satan's bidding, and the little horn is the human ruler who will be incarnated by Abaddon at the time of the end. [Revelation 17:8-11]
A very important truth is revealed from these identifiers. Satan will attempt to mimic the relationship that God has with Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God and also the Son of Man. He is both God and human.
Satan aspires to replace God and will offer Abaddon as his christ (antichrist) who will appear to humans as being both a god and human. [2Thessalonians 2:3-12]
Abaddon's power as a fallen angel will be far greater than any ordinary human. His willingness and ability to destroy will not be matched. He will astonish humans who see him and they will believe his claim to be a god. [Daniel 8:23-25] [Revelation 13:2-8]
God addresses Satan as Gog in Ezekiel and Satan is called Gog in Revelation. The ancient Land of Magog in the Middle East has been and will be Satan's point of origin on the earth at the time of the end.
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Don I am reminded of what I saw a few weeks ago, I thought had posted it in this thread but found out yesterday it was in the thread I started about the Letter Nun!
Miki, I remember when you had this dream. I remember how I thought that is was really odd, the phone call was strange as well. You know something that hit me as I was re-reading it was that He was hunting Octopus. Octopus has 8 arms, for some reason when I read this it reminded me of President Bush's Axis of Evil Speech. As I was reading it I saw a wheel with 2 of the spokes (arms) gone? Not sure what that means or if it means anything but that is what I thought and saw.
Thanks for the reminders guys,
We must be about our Father's Business,
I think the time is short!
I thought the same thing that it was the evil that He was hunting!
Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahsicoming
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Miki, I remember when you had this dream. I remember how I thought that is was really odd, the phone call was strange as well. You know something that hit me as I was re-reading it was that He was hunting Octopus. Octopus has 8 arms, for some reason when I read this it reminded me of President Bush's Axis of Evil Speech. As I was reading it I saw a wheel with 2 of the spokes (arms) gone? Not sure what that means or if it means anything but that is what I thought and saw.
Thanks for the reminders guys,
We must be about our Father's Business,
I think the time is short!
QUOTE
I thought the same thing that it was the evil that He was hunting!
Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahsicoming
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That dream was prophetic. The meaning is clear since everyone here hit the nail on the head. I would say the only part thats not clear is phone call. Did it mean our next stop would be china are north kor are our next attack would be from there. Aso arm in scripture means power and strength.
Could the phone call simply be "a wake-up call?"
Miki, I don't know if this has anything to do with your dream or not...but as I was reading this transcript your dream popped into my mind. If nothing else it shows how some of these people really feel about the US 
http://www.memritv.org/default.asp link to the site
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1408 link to the transcript
3/16/2007 Clip No. 1408
Top Lebanese Sunni Cleric Fathi Yakan: Bin Laden a Man After My Own Heart; I Am Not Sad Because of 9/11 and I Have Never Condemned this Attack
Following are excerpts from an interview with Lebanese Sunni Cleric Fathi Yakan, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on March 16, 2007:
Fathi Yakan: There is no doubt that Sheik Osama bin Laden has a high level of faithfulness, trustworthiness, and transparency. He is faithful to his religion and to Jihad for the elevation of the word of Allah. Unfortunately, there have been many rumors that he is an American creation, and that all that is happening is the result of scenarios concocted by him and America, especially following the Russians withdrawal from Afghanistan. There were claims that these people were biased towards the Americans, and that America toyed with them, and so on. I believe this is all nonsense, and that this is totally untrue. This man has a pure, honest and believing personality. He defends all that belongs to Islam and who renounces anything that is not Islamic, and therefore, he is a man after my own heart.
Interviewer: You met him once, didn't you?
Fathi Yakan: It may have been more than once, because whenever I go to Saudi Arabia, I am invited to meetings and to deliver talks, just like many other preachers and scholars from Egypt and elsewhere. So I may have met him more than once.
From what I know of the man, he is very sincere in what he calls for. I could almost say that I would not regard anyone else the same way I regard Osama bin Laden with respect to Al-Qaeda. Every person has his own characteristics, of course. I once wrote to Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, [warning him]: "Oh Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, fear Allah in the way you behave." I said this should be determined by Islamic law. I even wrote to the Al-Qaeda leadership, saying neither Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi nor anyone else should be left to act on their own accord, because of the fate of Islam...
Interviewer: Just to prevent misunderstanding - are you in contact with these people?
Fathi Yakan: Yes. With regard to Iraq, the Association of Muslims scholars maintains constant contact with all the forces that operate there.
[...]
Interviewer: But there was an operation, for which Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility - the bombing of the Twin Towers in America, and what was described as terrorist attacks against the Americans. In this case, for example, are you with him or against him? Were you happy when you saw the towers collapse?
Fathi Yakan: If we examine the ideology of Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden in depth, we see that he has become completely convinced that the only way to curb the disease that is afflicting the Islamic world... The only way to stop this octopus is to crush the serpent's head.
Interviewer: Do you share this opinion?
Fathi Yakan: It's fine with me. I might have crushed the serpent's head in a different way. I might have crushed it by means of the Islamic resistance in South Lebanon, by attacking Israel. But Bin Laden said: "No, I will strike it in its own home. I will strike it in the World Trade Center, and shake its economic status." This is his methodology, and he should bear responsibility for it, but I am not sad or depressed that this happened, and I do not condemn it. In all honestly, I have never condemned this. Just like it had negative ramifications, it had positive ones as well.
http://www.memritv.org/default.asp link to the site
http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1408 link to the transcript
3/16/2007 Clip No. 1408
Top Lebanese Sunni Cleric Fathi Yakan: Bin Laden a Man After My Own Heart; I Am Not Sad Because of 9/11 and I Have Never Condemned this Attack
Following are excerpts from an interview with Lebanese Sunni Cleric Fathi Yakan, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on March 16, 2007:
Fathi Yakan: There is no doubt that Sheik Osama bin Laden has a high level of faithfulness, trustworthiness, and transparency. He is faithful to his religion and to Jihad for the elevation of the word of Allah. Unfortunately, there have been many rumors that he is an American creation, and that all that is happening is the result of scenarios concocted by him and America, especially following the Russians withdrawal from Afghanistan. There were claims that these people were biased towards the Americans, and that America toyed with them, and so on. I believe this is all nonsense, and that this is totally untrue. This man has a pure, honest and believing personality. He defends all that belongs to Islam and who renounces anything that is not Islamic, and therefore, he is a man after my own heart.
Interviewer: You met him once, didn't you?
Fathi Yakan: It may have been more than once, because whenever I go to Saudi Arabia, I am invited to meetings and to deliver talks, just like many other preachers and scholars from Egypt and elsewhere. So I may have met him more than once.
From what I know of the man, he is very sincere in what he calls for. I could almost say that I would not regard anyone else the same way I regard Osama bin Laden with respect to Al-Qaeda. Every person has his own characteristics, of course. I once wrote to Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, [warning him]: "Oh Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, fear Allah in the way you behave." I said this should be determined by Islamic law. I even wrote to the Al-Qaeda leadership, saying neither Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi nor anyone else should be left to act on their own accord, because of the fate of Islam...
Interviewer: Just to prevent misunderstanding - are you in contact with these people?
Fathi Yakan: Yes. With regard to Iraq, the Association of Muslims scholars maintains constant contact with all the forces that operate there.
[...]
Interviewer: But there was an operation, for which Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility - the bombing of the Twin Towers in America, and what was described as terrorist attacks against the Americans. In this case, for example, are you with him or against him? Were you happy when you saw the towers collapse?
Fathi Yakan: If we examine the ideology of Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden in depth, we see that he has become completely convinced that the only way to curb the disease that is afflicting the Islamic world... The only way to stop this octopus is to crush the serpent's head.
Interviewer: Do you share this opinion?
Fathi Yakan: It's fine with me. I might have crushed the serpent's head in a different way. I might have crushed it by means of the Islamic resistance in South Lebanon, by attacking Israel. But Bin Laden said: "No, I will strike it in its own home. I will strike it in the World Trade Center, and shake its economic status." This is his methodology, and he should bear responsibility for it, but I am not sad or depressed that this happened, and I do not condemn it. In all honestly, I have never condemned this. Just like it had negative ramifications, it had positive ones as well.
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