depends. if your personal attacks have substance and truth then I would say God will bless you. People may not like it and feelings may get hurt but the truth will cut you like a sword.

when people see the word get twisted and passed around and some one doesnt open their mouths then I think God is going to hold that against you.

edited to say: i'm not saying to belittle. thats not being respectful
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Amen Adonaicole,Pamela and Maz. And I agree with you Charlie. Personal attacks are not the way. We must whenever it is practical bring correction as per the scripture that Maz quoted. Notice that those instructions are imperative to the servant of the Lord. If one doesn't instruct and correct in that manner, he/she disqualifies himself from service. If however the correction is to a viper as in Mathew 23, these rules don't apply. But we must still conduct ourselves in a way worthy of our Lord.
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Can you instruct and teach without belittlement or slandering, the post you are answering?
Christ told the truth to Peter when He called him Satan and He was telling the truth when He spoke very harshly to the Pharisees Sadducees and Scribes. But if you slander Christ who knew the truth about everything you were in danger of hell fire. Likewise if you slander the truth of the Spirit of God regardless of who it comes from you are also in danger of hell fire even if you don’t know you are doing it. I challenge everyone on this forum to share and teach with a check on the spirit of man that would belittle and slander those who are searching and trying to learn. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Just state the truth as you know it and leave it at that. Your personal attacks on individuals might come back at you and burn you like fire.



Charlie
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Truly, truly this in a nutshell is the problem with Christians of today. What would burn more like fire is cowardice in the face of adversity.

The Lord would appreciate a coward like attitude even less so. By this, I do not mean cutting off an ear such as Peter did, but by standing up in the face of the mocking of Christ. Sometimes in this vain, there needs to be a firm commentary made by the Christian. Not all Christians are the same. There is nothing wrong with correcting and stating the truth as you know it.

What is your definition of "searching and learning"? Are we talking pocket? or "God Johnson"?
A name insulting enough on it's own. I don't see searching and learning. I personally see insults and ridicule and even through that when people answer their questions with EXACTLY what they are asking for such as facts showing darwinism, for example, to be what it is, FALSE, they continue to be insulting.

The true definition of "searching and learning" is a non-Christian that comes here saying things like, "Look, I don't really believe what you guys believe, but I'm willing to listen. Here's a question, Why do you believe this or that?"

Or maybe said non-Christian coming here and just straight asking questions out of curiosity.
Not the blatant insulting and quite frankly idiotic behaviour perpetrated by people that have ABOLUTELY no intention of learning or searching, but to behave in a ruthless and stupid way.
You can't honestly believe that everyone (non-Christian wise) that comes on this forum is seriously wanting to search for Jesus. The recent atheist group attack done as an "experiment" should show you that.

The problem with today's Christian's is this attitude of, "sit back and just instruct like little lambs and even if the bad atheist or agnostic continues to spit on me, that's okay, because I'm a Christian and that's what I'm supposed to do." Bull.

Jesus was humble, but He was no doormat. Many Christian's today are doormats, period.
I would rather have the Lord tell me that I went a little overboard on occasion in defending Him, than sitting back like some kind of schmuck, while giving credence to people that hate Christ.

Christians today want to let non-believers have certain points. In other words, certain Christians want to say to the non-believer, "I'll give you that", or "I do agree with you there", to try and bring them in to the fold so to speak. They think if they can agree on certain points with someone, as vile as they may be, they'll establish some kind of kinship and it will be easier for them to believe.

I'm not going to compromise ANYTHING with someone that disregards Christ as nothing. They're the ones that should be coming up to the level of the Lord's Grace. Don't not throw pearls to swine.

I say once again, I would rather be a fiery, passionate, sometimes going a little overboard kind of Christian, especially when it comes to fools insulting Jesus, than some luke-warm bench warmer that has nothing to say beyond strict doctrine.

Call me crazy.
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AMEN TO THAT and WELL SAID SHAUN!!

AGREEING 100%



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Truly, truly this in a nutshell is the problem with Christians of today. What would burn more like fire is cowardice in the face of adversity.

The Lord would appreciate a coward like attitude even less so. By this, I do not mean cutting off an ear such as Peter did, but by standing up in the face of the mocking of Christ. Sometimes in this vain, there needs to be a firm commentary made by the Christian. Not all Christians are the same. There is nothing wrong with correcting and stating the truth as you know it.

What is your definition of "searching and learning"? Are we talking pocket? or "God Johnson"?
A name insulting enough on it's own. I don't see searching and learning. I personally see insults and ridicule and even through that when people answer their questions with EXACTLY what they are asking for such as facts showing darwinism, for example, to be what it is, FALSE, they continue to be insulting.

The true definition of "searching and learning" is a non-Christian that comes here saying things like, "Look, I don't really believe what you guys believe, but I'm willing to listen. Here's a question, Why do you believe this or that?"

Or maybe said non-Christian coming here and just straight asking questions out of curiosity.
Not the blatant insulting and quite frankly idiotic behaviour perpetrated by people that have ABSOLUTELY no intention of learning or searching, but to behave in a ruthless and stupid way.
You can't honestly believe that everyone (non-Christian wise) that comes on this forum is seriously wanting to search for Jesus. The recent atheist group attack done as an "experiment" should show you that.

The problem with today's Christian's is this attitude of, "sit back and just instruct like little lambs and even if the bad atheist or agnostic continues to spit on me, that's okay, because I'm a Christian and that's what I'm supposed to do." Bull.

Jesus was humble, but He was no doormat. Many Christian's today are doormats, period.
I would rather have the Lord tell me that I went a little overboard on occasion in defending Him, than sitting back like some kind of schmuck, while giving credence to people that hate Christ.

Christians today want to let non-believers have certain points. In other words, certain Christians want to say to the non-believer, "I'll give you that", or "I do agree with you there", to try and bring them in to the fold so to speak. They think if they can agree on certain points with someone, as vile as they may be, they'll establish some kind of kinship and it will be easier for them to believe.

I'm not going to compromise ANYTHING with someone that disregards Christ as nothing. They're the ones that should be coming up to the level of the Lord's Grace. Do not throw pearls to swine.

I say once again, I would rather be a fiery, passionate, sometimes going a little overboard kind of Christian, especially when it comes to fools insulting Jesus, than some luke-warm bench warmer that has nothing to say beyond strict doctrine.

Call me crazy.


...By the way, c-los has it dead on.
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Truly, truly this in a nutshell is the problem with Christians of today. What would burn more like fire is cowardice in the face of adversity.

The Lord would appreciate a coward like attitude even less so. By this, I do not mean cutting off an ear such as Peter did, but by standing up in the face of the mocking of Christ. Sometimes in this vain, there needs to be a firm commentary made by the Christian. Not all Christians are the same. There is nothing wrong with correcting and stating the truth as you know it.

What is your definition of "searching and learning"? Are we talking pocket? or "God Johnson"?
A name insulting enough on it's own. I don't see searching and learning. I personally see insults and ridicule and even through that when people answer their questions with EXACTLY what they are asking for such as facts showing darwinism, for example, to be what it is, FALSE, they continue to be insulting.

The true definition of "searching and learning" is a non-Christian that comes here saying things like, "Look, I don't really believe what you guys believe, but I'm willing to listen. Here's a question, Why do you believe this or that?"

Or maybe said non-Christian coming here and just straight asking questions out of curiosity.
Not the blatant insulting and quite frankly idiotic behaviour perpetrated by people that have ABSOLUTELY no intention of learning or searching, but to behave in a ruthless and stupid way.
You can't honestly believe that everyone (non-Christian wise) that comes on this forum is seriously wanting to search for Jesus. The recent atheist group attack done as an "experiment" should show you that.

The problem with today's Christian's is this attitude of, "sit back and just instruct like little lambs and even if the bad atheist or agnostic continues to spit on me, that's okay, because I'm a Christian and that's what I'm supposed to do." Bull.

Jesus was humble, but He was no doormat. Many Christian's today are doormats, period.
I would rather have the Lord tell me that I went a little overboard on occasion in defending Him, than sitting back like some kind of schmuck, while giving credence to people that hate Christ.

Christians today want to let non-believers have certain points. In other words, certain Christians want to say to the non-believer, "I'll give you that", or "I do agree with you there", to try and bring them in to the fold so to speak. They think if they can agree on certain points with someone, as vile as they may be, they'll establish some kind of kinship and it will be easier for them to believe.

I'm not going to compromise ANYTHING with someone that disregards Christ as nothing. They're the ones that should be coming up to the level of the Lord's Grace. Do not throw pearls to swine.

I say once again, I would rather be a fiery, passionate, sometimes going a little overboard kind of Christian, especially when it comes to fools insulting Jesus, than some luke-warm bench warmer that has nothing to say beyond strict doctrine.

Call me crazy.


...By the way, c-los has it dead on.
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Can you instruct and teach without belittlement or slandering, the post you are answering?
Christ told the truth to Peter when He called him Satan and He was telling the truth when He spoke very harshly to the Pharisees Sadducees and Scribes. But if you slander Christ who knew the truth about everything you were in danger of hell fire. Likewise if you slander the truth of the Spirit of God regardless of who it comes from you are also in danger of hell fire even if you don’t know you are doing it. I challenge everyone on this forum to share and teach with a check on the spirit of man that would belittle and slander those who are searching and trying to learn. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Just state the truth as you know it and leave it at that. Your personal attacks on individuals might come back at you and burn you like fire.



Charlie
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I was not asking anyone to put the Spirit of God in check. I was asking those who use belittlement and sarcasem and slander to put that in check. I know beyond a doubt what so ever who would win in a baalam Elijah showdown but that is for the days to come and not for a forum where no one can see the Spirit bearring witness of you. Here the most you can do is tell the truth and Hope and pray that there is soil that the seeds can take root in. I will however bring this Spirit to who ever uses its attention from now on.


Charlie
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Charlie is not suggesting being a coward or not confronting those who need to be confronted, He is correctly stating that we are to confront in a way that is scriptural, with meekness. As I stated earlier, this doesn't apply to dealing with vipers. I just did a radio program and came hard against Islam and secularists who denigrate Jesus. But I cannot with religious pride assault a brother that I believe, rightly or wrongly, to be in error. God, therefore Jesus, opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. We are to be conformed into the image of Christ, not try to get him to sanction a fleshy defense of him or his people. Peter was rebuked for being in the flesh, despite his misguided zeal. Jesus even rebuked Satan in one of those instances, when he moved Peter to correct Jesus.

Our zeal for the cause of our Lord is never an excuse for condescending to or labeling or slandering another. It is entirely unnaceptable, no matter how zealous we are for God. When we do act this way, it betrays our foolish pride, that God hates. Even Michael the archangel wouldn't bring a railing accusation against Satan, the accuser. Be a timid saint? No way. Be a coward? Certainly not. Be afraid to confront those who would slander our Lord? Not likely. Be in the flesh to defend our Lord? Never, for then the enemy of our souls has a victory over us and we feel righteous and prideful. Jesus displayed zeal while never yielding to temptation to act fleshly.So should we.
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  Charlie is not suggesting being a coward or not confronting those who need to be confronted, He is correctly stating that we are to confront in a way that is scriptural, with meekness. As I stated earlier, this doesn't apply to dealing with vipers. I just did a radio program and came hard against Islam and secularists who denigrate Jesus. But I cannot with religious pride assault a brother that I believe, rightly or wrongly, to be in error. God, therefore Jesus, opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. We are to be conformed into the image of Christ, not try to get him to sanction a fleshy defense of him or his people. Peter was rebuked for being in the flesh, despite his misguided zeal. Jesus even rebuked Satan in one of those instances, when he moved Peter to correct Jesus.

  Our zeal for the cause of our Lord is never an excuse for condescending to or labeling or slandering another. It is entirely unnaceptable, no matter how zealous we are for God. When we do act this way, it betrays our foolish pride, that God hates. Even Michael the archangel wouldn't bring a railing accusation against Satan, the accuser. Be a timid saint? No way. Be a coward? Certainly not. Be afraid to confront those who would slander our Lord? Not likely. Be in the flesh to defend our Lord? Never, for then the enemy of our souls has a victory over us and we feel righteous and prideful. Jesus displayed zeal while never yielding to temptation to act fleshly.So should we.
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Sometimes these lines can be blurred indeed as far as sarcasm goes, but they are VERY thin lines. I personally do not think that charlie was suggesting being a coward, obviously, yet actions betray words. Calling out someone that mocks and degenerates Jesus Himself is something that needs to be done, especially on a board like this when you may have a new Christian coming in and an atheist for example comes in with confusing information. The Christian first, is my concern.

You are correct about the pride aspect and everyone needs to guard against that. Everyone.

Yet, especially in these times, witnessing to someone that hates Christ, while stopping at "the truth as you know it", which truly is doctrine and bible verses, is foolish in my view. Pretty much all non-believers, including even more so the ones that are proud to reject Jesus will run away form bible versus. The media in itself has done a wonderful job (not a compliment) in making it so that when you quote even one verse, you are a religious fanatic, etc.

This is not to say that you shouldn't, but there are ways to get through to someone, or at least trying with regards to that specific Christian's God given personality. Strict doctrine in these times mostly never works. Talking to someone without bringing the bible into every pore, yet not compromising Christ can be tricky, but it CAN be done.

...And someone that kicks at my Lord verbally will be so dusty from me wiping the dust off of myself, that there need not be anything further said to that person.
They've heard, they know, they reject. There is no blood on my hands for telling them. Staying silent is a cowardly act, period.

Trying to agree with certain points, as I've stated, that someone rejecting Christ has, just to connect with them is also cowardly.

Unfortunately, cowardice is subjective word amonst magny in the Christian community. Once again, this does not mean cutting off an ear such as Peter, but being blunt and straightforward indimidates many Christians that are quiet and think it a sin to comment beyond what the Bible may say. Passion can be put forward in many ways that will not be agreed upon by every Christian.
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