Hi

3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,

What is this deception as you see it.

It IS interesting that it says "nations" and not "people." To me, anything that leads people away from Christ and tells them that He didn't exist or doesn't matter is deception. Things that become gods for people that they worship in place of Him--false systems of worship, things that people value more than faith, etc. Everything that takes them away from true faith.

But I think there are actual systems set up by Satan to promote these things--referred to on another thread (forgot the title) as secret societies or secret combinations--goal is to get gain for those involved and lead people away from the Lord. Satan uses these systems to deceive the nations, and some of them get control of the governments of the nations.

It is quite sad that the world has been a witness to this deception (and has been taken by this deception)and yet they are still not aware of it. Many are just in De-Nile

What do you mean by that MindonFire? Explain it to us.

See Rev 12:9, the word deceiveth in Greek is planao, which means to cause to roam from (safety, truth, or virtue). This same Satan, Dragon, etc. deceived (seduced, made to wander from truth) EVE in the Garden of Eden. The truth was that she was not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and she was deceived. This same Satan has been seducing the nations (the world) with his lies for centuries. But his time is up soon.

Revelation 12:9

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(KJV)

Hi

I think the Bible tells us what that deception is in very plain language.

rv 20:7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:

Now look at what Are Gods Ways

Isa 2:3: And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4: And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Ever notice that when Jesus returns he kills every single soldier in every single army on the face of the planet.

rv 19:19: And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20: And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21: And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


the remnant being all the Kings of the Earth and their armies.

Look at who the God of the AC is

Dan 11:38: But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:

And What God do We follow

Rom:15:33: Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Rom:16:20: And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Phil:4:9: Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

1Thes:5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb:13:20: Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,



So the AC is the God of War and Forces who deceived the Nations to Battle and war.

And Jesus is the Prince of peace who destroys the Armies and rebukes the Nations so they learn war no More.


DO YOU UNDERSTAND WITH YOUR HEART

The truth is currently being revealed. You would have to live under a rock to not know about the greatest deception that this generation has seen. Or you would have to be in deep De-Nile

We don't play mind games on here... so what are you getting at? What is this puzzle day? Geesh.

I don't live under a Rock, but I know who my ROCK is! What's all this De-Nile stuff? Are you one of the atheists from the debating Christianity site too? We're tired of hearing from you all.

Babylon, the GREAT CITY
is, in a spiritual sense,
both SODOM
and EGYPT.
(DE-NILE is in EGPYT.)


the great deception?
Jesus already warned us.
BEWARE of the leaven
of the Pharisees.
and BEWARE
of the leaven of
CAESAR.


when Jesus was brought before ponitus pilate,
he asked the crowd,
DO you then want me to crucify YOUR KING???

and they responded, in this manner:
"WE HAVE NO KING BUT CEASAR!!""


the beast has its false prophet.

and, "the wheels on the bus go round and round" (a children's song)


and its comin around again.

-bz

BZ,

Finally, something that makes SENSE! :-)

Hi Zebra

The great Deception is about this

13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;


It is different, it is not the deception of the Nations.

No mind games here mon ami Those that are wise will understand. I'm far from an atheist. Read all of my past Postings and you will see. If you know who the Rock is then you should know who I am.

Mindonfire,
Don't know if you've been around much lately reading and not posting, but we recently had an onslaught of atheists here, and that's what lifeinhim is referring to. I took your advice and read your past postings, and it was quite a read (I remember a lot of them from the first time around). I am one of the few on the forum who believe we will be here through the tribulation (assuming we aren't killed, of course) and that the actual Second Coming is the time when we are caught up to meet Christ.

Still wondering, though--who are you? Sometimes you sound like you're not from the United States, and sometimes you sound like you are, and sometimes you sound like you're from another universe (no offense intended!).

Anyway, I'm hoping you'll stay around and discuss with us for a while. There are so few who don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, and it's nice to hear from a kindred spirit.

Hi Shy

I do not believe in pretrib rapture either. For so many reasons

I keep getting caught by flood control today! Maybe somebody wants me to stop talking!

Yes, so many reasons, and indeed, just the facts! LOL! But I'm hijacking another topic--I'm sorry!

Hi

It was my thread to start with so don't feel like it was hijacked

Good Day

Quick question Can you please tell me the name of your Rock?

2 Samuel 22:3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.

2 Samuel 22:32 For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

2 Samuel 22:47 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.

Psalms 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Psalms 18:31 For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

Psalms 18:46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

Psalms 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved.

Psalms 62:6 He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.

Psalms 62:7 In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.

Psalms 89:26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

Psalms 92:15 To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Psalms 94:22 But the LORD is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

Psalms 95:1 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

The verses state that the LORD is my ROCK. My Salvation comes in my belief in HIS SON, JESUS. JESUS is the Messiah that I believe in.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

The entire structure of the world that man has created based on sales and profit. It is not Gods way.
Christ showed us Gods way as did the first Church.

The Kingdom of God will not include walls of any kind and the temperature will remain perfect all the time. The Garden of the kingdom will be full of the Lords best Fruits and vegetables. There will be no more killing anything to eat.

A good rule of thumb is "If the Lord is going to destroy it, It should have never been”. Man has made a total mess out of Gods creation in the spirit of the serpent from the garden.

The final outcome after the millennial reign is that food will no longer be needed.
As the scripture states, "eye has not seen nor has it entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love Him". But He has revealed it through His Spirit.




Charlie

Amen!

No matter how bad things are right now, God has a solution! Jesus Christ
will return to re-create our broken and polluted world. He will give us new
bodies and healed hearts. God has already started his healing in our lives
through a relationship with Christ; he will complete this task when he returns
to rule.

Christ shed his redemptive blood on the cross in order to free us from
bondage to sin and to give us eternal life. But then Jesus rose from
the dead, conquering death forever!
Through Him, we also can rise to new life. No matter who we are
or what we have done, in Christ, God has a solution for our problems.

Even death has been overcome! Through Christ, we have been made
citizens of his eternal Kingdom (see Pilippians 3:20) and we have a
glorious eternity to look forward to.

Well, Mindonfire... you do get around. I did a search on your screen name and it seems you have asked all these questions a million times on many different message boards, trying to get reactions and distracting people, so your number is up. The name of MY ROCK is JESUS CHRIST the LORD.

GoodDay

You are correct it is no secret. Is it a crime to be on multiple boards? Read my posts and then if you really worship the True And Living God ask yourself why did those Boards ban me. Tell me if anything that I have written in my posts were untrue or blasphemous. The powers that be do not like it when they are wrong They claim to love the Truth but they don't. They want to keep the people in ignorance and obscurity

Secondly Jesus Christ is not a name. Jesus is a name and Christ is a Title just as Richard Nixon's name was not Richard President.

Thirdly look at the verses below and answer me this question, If his name is still or is Jesus Christ why does the Scripture state that "I will write upon him my new name" and "he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." Ist it not the same Christ?

Rev 3
[12] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev.19
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

MindonFire, for someone who really is searching for the TRUTH, you are awfully condescending and technical. Okay, JESUS, how's that... you're right, Christ is the Title. Jesus is my rock, my redeemer, my savior, my conqueror, those are all who he is, and his name is JESUS. Try checking out a good concordance and commentary.... here's one for you... the new name isn't what you think it is. Get some research materials, they will greatly aid your search.


Revelation 2:17

[And in the stone a new name written] A name indicating a new relation, new hopes and triumphs. Probably the name here referred to is the name of the Redeemer, or the name Christian, or some such appellation. It would be some name which he would understand and appreciate, and which would be a pledge of acceptance.
 
[Which no man knoweth, ...] That is, no one would understand its import, as no one but the Christian estimates the value of that on which he relics as the pledge of his Redeemer's love.
(from Barnes' Notes)

Mindoffire, you see we have read your posts and the problems here is that your posts are not making any sense. All we had to do is go to the many other forums you did post on and read them before you decide to bombard this forum with these puzzles. Your posts speak volumes that for sure, but to whom? Not to the believer in Christ that is for sure. Why? Because God's word is simple and if you come in the name of Jesus to preach, teach or evanglize your message would be just as simple. Not this hidden, I can't enlighten you yet, it would take to long to let you know the deal nonsense.

Let's see if you can answer these questions with just a YES or NO......

1. Do you believe in Jesus, the only begotten Son of God, the Savior that died on the cross for your sins and He rose again on the 3rd day?

2. Do you worship God the Father the Creator of heaven and earth?

3. Do you believe in any other gods? If yes, who are they?

Hey Mindonfire
Old buddy, how have you been? I have a question about this post. No man knows the name, but Christ knows the name. If you have the Spirit of Christ without measure, you know the name also. What is the Name?

Charlie

Good Day

1. Read my posts and you will see that I believe in the Messias who was dead and is alive again

2. I worship and serve the one and only True Living God, the God of Noe, Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Jacob, Moses,

3. I put my trust in no other god or gods

Peace

mindonfire, so do you believe in JESUS as the SAVIOR?

A simple yes or no will suffice. It seems that you are aluding answering the question...

Good Day Charlie

I am doing great. How have you been. I would love to reveal the name, but it must be revealed at the appointed time. Just as the false messias is being presently revealed Messias himself will be revealed at the appointed time.

Peace

How quaint. Charlie and mindonfire know each other. Perhaps you both can enlighten us...

Mindonfire, I am still waiting for a reply to my question. Do you believe that JESUS is your Savior?

Mindoffire I kind of figured you couldn't give just a yes or no answer. You see, Jesus is not hidden, but you seem to want to hid this seemily good news of yours.
Jesus doesn't require a build up, nor does he need us to have a coming out party so to say for Him.

If I was to say, "Mystical Theology" via a sect of the Catholic Church what would your reply be to this statement?

Your game is old mindoffire, your not the first to come and I am sure your not the last with this all so secretive stuff.

I THANK GOD THAT THE GOD I SERVE, THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, REVEALS HIMSELF TO ME THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT. NOTHING IS HIDDEN TO THOSE WHO SEEK HIM. PRAISE GOD.

I'll say a praise Jesus for that!

I couldn't agree more HB! Praise JESUS indeed!

Mindonfire, You said in another post that we wouldn't believe who you are if you told us. How about giving us the opportunity to believe or not? Who do you say you are?

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WHAT MAKES MAN MAN IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD, AND THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS OF THE SAME SUBSTANCE OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD, SO THAT WHICH IS OF SPIRIT IN MAN IS FROM EVERLASTING AND UNCREATED. AND THAT TO ME SPEAKS EQUALITY WE MAY HAVE BEEN EQUIPED IN DIFFERANT WAY BUT DEPENDS ON THE ROLL GOD HAS PLANED FOR EACH OF US TO PLAY. AND IN ORDER TO BE GREAT IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD WE NEED TO BE THE SERVENT OF ALL AND TO EXSALT OURSELVES OVER ANOTHER IS NOT THE WAY.

Wow--this topic has heated up! Maybe it should be moved to the controversial section. Just a thought.

If Jesus is or was not hidden then please answer me this. Why did the other disciple not know that he was the Messias? Why was Peter the only one to correctly identify him? Why in these end days must he be revealed? If you are not hidden you do not need to be revealed

Matt 16
13] When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
[14] And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Luke.17
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2Thes.1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

mindonfire, I read your blog.

What are you trying to say....



READ all 350 Bible Prophecies that were fulfilled by JESUS.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?act=ST&f=18&t=5178

JESUS was out in the open all through HIS three year ministry. SO your point is?? OH! you don't have a point, because you think you are Elijah? Is that your BIG SECRET? That is my take on your BLOG.

For me your gig is up.

Mindonfire are you of the thinking that Jesus will return in the form of flesh and blood as we are?

Your speaking in an era of before Jesus' work on the cross. He is not hidden and will return on the clouds visible as you and me. Even then He was in plan sight and it's the indvidual's heart that was closed, not some kind of hidden thing. You also have to understand that God's plan is perfect and if Peter was the only one who reconized Him, it is in God's plan for it to have happened that way.
My biggest point here mindoffire is the manner of how your coming across. You see when God sends the Holy Spirit to dwell inside a believer to work through them, attention is not drawn to that person. Your coming in here with these words of "OOOHHS" and "AWES" I know something you don't know....You see, that draws attention to the man, and takes focus off of God, so that's my clue to know that your full of some hot air some where. Your in the same catagory of the appearings of Mary on a window, or a statue crying blood. It just isn't going to happen by God's hand because it takes the focus off of God and people start worshipping the image in the window and/or the statue.
Since 2005 as far as I can see you have been claiming this same stuff. You wonder why FFT and maybe others are doing what they are doing. You have yet to say what it is or answer a question directly. This is also another clue. It is the stuff you and others present that draw baby Christains into deception because your words bring deception. You hide in those words by saying things like, I don't have the time to tell you, or some malarkey about it is not time yet. Well you know what, your not the time keeper because no man knows the time of His return. AND when HE does RETURN, it WON'T be HIDDEN!!!!!!!!!! AMEN!

What church do you attend?

FFT? Fast Fourier Transform?

LOL! HB...

FFT is someone forum name and someone who follows mindoffire from forum to forum exposing him...

I had a question about that, too. There was a post a while back where Mindonfire said that he knew what organization FFT belonged to but didn't want to say at the time what it was.

Mindonfire, that's a good example of what Pamela is talking about. You need to be straightforward with people and not try and build up suspense for some later "event." If FFT's membership in some organization is not an issue, don't bring it up. If it is an issue, then just go ahead and explain at the time and people won't see you as trying to be mysterious. Most people are put off by that and will reject you and whatever you may or may not actually have to say to them. They keep getting the impression that you really don't have anything to say because you didn't say it the first time. Pamela mentioned the words "hot air," and that's what comes across to people by your style of posting.

If you want to convey something different, like who you are and what your message is specifically, then be straightforward. People really do accept that better than mysteries because it gives them the information you have and lets them evaluate it for themselves, test if for themselves. We want to know what your message is.

I know Jesus taught in parables, but there are a lot of things He taught straight out, plain and clear for everybody to understand. And even the parables were so that the people could understand BETTER. He taught very clearly and made sure there was no misunderstanding. That's what I expect from anybody with anything to teach about the Lord or about His coming.

And about the part where it says He will be "revealed," I've always thought about that as just meaning that then people would be able to see Him, where now we can't. But we know about Him, and we are told to look for the signs of His coming, and to be watching and waiting and ready and keep ourselves firm in our faith and grounded in the Word.

I'm just saying I second the motion to be straightforward and come out and say what you want to say so people can know what it is and not make it a mystery. Mystery tactics seem to be about to get you tossed from the forum, if I'm reading the tone of this thread right.

Good Day

First question ? What kind of clouds is he returning on?

Secondly show me my words of “OOOHHS” and “AWES”

Thirdly I don’t need to lead Christians into deceptions. The majority of you have already fallen for the Great Deception

Fourthly Seeing does not equal Knowing

Fifthly I do not come here to bring attention to myself. Who are you? What can you give me that I don’t already have? That shows your ego to think that I would come to these forums just to get some attention from you. I can understand that you do not understand, many don’t and will not, but there are some who will and do.

Dan.12
[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. [10] Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

The message is for those who do. I am here to fulfill my part. It is not my fault that you do not understand. Maybe it’s God’s plan for you not to understand. I speak as I was told to speak . I deliver the message as I was taught to deliver it. Until the Most High tells me any different I will not and cannot change. Search the scriptures and study for yourself. I can only do as my Master and Lord has taught me to do. They did not understand him and still don’t. You all can’t even tell the difference between an atheists and a believer , so I don’t expect you to understand my speech.


John.8
[42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Matt 13

[13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
[16] But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

Mark 4
[11] And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Acts 28
[25] And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
[26] Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

Finally I expect that soon you all will try to ban me. If that is your decision I will still fulfill my calling

Peace
Come Again My Lord

I have had many in depth discussions with Mindonfire in the past. Before everyone gets all upset and angry and tosses him out He has no more false beliefs in his understanding than anyone else. Everyone has to come to the knowledge and have the true Christ revealed to them because of all of the Lies that have been interwoven into the gospel of Christ over the past 2000 years. The false christ gospel states that mouth service is sufficient for a rapture into heaven and the true Gospel of Christ teaches of a follower who leaves all and follows the example and teachings of Christ to be worthy of the resurrection from the dead and a catching away into the air of earth at His return from heaven.
Another for instance is this scripture, written after Christ’s death and resurrection, it says that in the end time the ‘son of man” would be revealed

Luke 17
30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

The flesh would read this scripture and wonders how is it saying this? Don’t we know who Christ is? First off, if you believe in a Christ that includes the lies of man. Then, “no” you don’t know who Christ is.
The Spirit looks at this scripture and knows that everyone who was called and who will be called “the son of man” was and is not necessarily Christ except in the Spirit. So the Scripture is telling those of the Spirit to watch for the Lords Prophets. I am a son of man because my mother was human and my dad was sometimes.

Numbers 23
19 "God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent.


Ezekiel 2
1 And He said to me, "Son of man, stand on your feet, and I will speak to you."



Charlie

There are several areas in the bible that speaks of people going up on a cloud. This cloud is the power and presence of the Almighty God. The two witnesses for one. Also this cloud is a great witness that surrounds Him. This particular cloud could also be the saints that surround Him on His return.

Ex.13:21By day the Lord went ahead of them in a pillar on a cloud to guide them on their way and by night a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night.
Isa.19:1See, the Lord rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before Him and the hearts of the Eygptians melt within them.
Lk.21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Heb.12:1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witness, let us throw of everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.

This answers your first question and mine back to you is, DO you not believe in this great cloud that He will return on?

These OOHHS! and AWE! words I am referring to once again is when someone comes in claiming a big gigantic secret, but yet says things like, "I don't have time to tell you, "you just won't understand because I am the only one who does." It's hot air like this I am referring to. Or when you say things like, "The people FFT is working for is attempting to stop you." A whole company! You want me to tell everyone at the bureau Hi as well...Or speaking of De-Nile and gators in the manners that you bring this stuff. You know John the Baptist was clear in his message when he was announcing Jesus' coming. He made no big secret of things and those that believed did so and those that didn't---didn't...

Thirdly you say this "great deception", that your not the one leading this deception. You see, that's were your busted mindoffire. If you are truly of God, brought forward by God, in times such as these being so short your mouth would be revealing this great deception to all the masses being that your saying your the only one enlighten because were all decieved...

You see you so far have given nothing that most of us don't already know, BUT the big ole' difference here is WE are not claiming to be hiding anything, we are to share the gospel of Jesus Christ and hid it in our hearts. We are not coming in under the cloak of darkness and making outrages claims. Your just simply trying to turn this around by making such a remark as it being my ego...NOPE, wrong answer there mindoffire...You have absolutely no idea what I understand or what I don't, but your understanding is way off, and as you can see others believe this as well. But of course you can chalk that up to us being idiots and your the teacher come to school us right? I don't so...For my Teacher is only one and He is the Teacher above all Teacher's....

When you say things like I am here to fulfill my part, it's not my fault if you don't understand....Well that kinda tips your hat there again the part where you claim that I am wicked and therefore do not understand, well see it's things like that --that really show me who you are, you place your self on a higher ground and humble yourself not. Jesus knows my heart, He is my love, the first love that is not and never will be removed from my mist, my heart, and my speech. As a moderator here I have to watch for those wolves that love to hid in sheeps clothing.

Every believer in God has been predestined mindoffire, a call has been placed on each and every life that God formed for His purpose. He even called the atheist that don't even believe he exist because they believe in nothing. Some for noble and some for ignoble purposes mindoffire. Each person has a call no matter what you believe, it has all been predestined.


So answer my questions that you seem to be avoiding:

1. What church do you attend?

2. Mystical Theology via the Catholic church, does this ring a bell with you at all?

Why are you not answering these questions?

3. Are you believing that your one of the witnesses spoken of in Rev.11?

Mindonfire, I have some questions.

Quoting from your "I See Therefore I Know Seeing + ?= Knowing" :



I don't think anybody would argue that by the time Jesus returns, everybody will already know Him as their Savior. But I think there will be little doubt in anybody's mind who it is that is coming "with clouds," when "every eye shall see him." Not everybody will already have a spiritual relationship with Him at that time, but they will see Him coming when He is "revealed" at His second coming, and they will know who He is, even if they do not KNOW Him personally.

Are you trying to say that there will be something about His appearance that only a few will even be able to recognize Him for who He is? That sounds contrary to what we are told in the Bible, and it sounds like the New Age "second coming event" where people are expecting Jesus to come in a space ship, and people will be afraid of the aliens when they get here and not realize it's Jesus. Is THAT what you are saying? That He's coming in a space ship and unless we know that ahead of time, we won't know it's Him and we'll somehow miss out?

Please clarify what you mean when you say that people won't recognize Him at His coming. That leaves plenty open to interpretation, as you can see. Recognizing Him at His coming and knowing Him personally as your Savior are two separate things. One can have both, but some people will only know who He is when He gets here because they don't know Him as Savior.

I can see the point that if we don't recognize the Anti-Christ, that could be a problem for us. Nobody wants to get sucked in with his plans or take his mark. But if one is warning about that, it's best to be specific.




Jesus is not going to be here walking around among us or coming secretly--when He comes, everybody will see it and know it, so there shouldn't be any problem with identifying Him. Everyone will see Him, and I wouldn't be surprised if God announced Him as "my beloved Son" as He did at Jesus' baptism. I just don't see how there could be any doubt if there is a glorious personage coming in the clouds with the hosts of heaven with Him. Unless, of course, said personage is in a space ship, and then I would take that to be a deception of some kind.




Again, why would anybody not know that it was Jesus they were looking at, coming in glory? I don't think anybody will be blocked at that time from knowing who He is, even if they have rejected Him in the past.




I can see how a person might not recognize the Anti-Christ, but I really don't understand how one could miss Him at His second coming.




I don't understand "You will see Messias coming with the clouds of heaven, but you will not know that it is him until it is too late." What can a person do at that point anyway? How long do you believe that He will be visible, in the clouds, before He gets here, to give a person a chance to do something? What do you think one should be watching for? Do you see how I could be confused? Again, unless you're talking about a space ship approaching, which people would understandably reject as being the Savior, I don't know how people could miss it.

I also have questions about "Christian Crocodiles," but I'll save those for later. Maybe getting an answer to these que