Everyone seems so eager to convert me, now i give you the chance, i think i already done this, but now, i will give STRICT rules YOU have to follow, coz im tired of all your posts saying NOTHING (God loves you, Oh [BIBLE QUOTE]etcetera), none of that, give me hard fact.
Now, we have evidence that the Earth is several billion years old. I dont know how many is Creationists here (Thats means literal belief in the Bible), i assume majority is not, i hope not, but maybe, if so, Just give me some facts showing Evolution to be faulty (some logical evidence showing its not feasible), or that All our hundred of dating methods proving the earth being a minimum of hundreds of thousands of years old.
P.S Evolution and Atheism is not the same. "Evolution" usually refers to the Theory of Evolution, which is about aspects of a science of biology about our living organism on our planet.
Atheism just means lack of belief in a God or gods, this is a neutral state of being (as you are not believing Santa until someone introduces such an idéa).
I give you a simple opportune here, Just give me some FACTS about the Evolution Theory being "wrong", i nany way it has not already said it could be wrong (as its science, it is open for change and corrections). Or even easier, if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, just show us.
Just one problem with that, we have civilizations older then that, and also, if you believe in the Flood, it would sorta occur during hight of Egypts pyramid building. And China, oh man. QAnyway, easy for you guys.
Anyone interested? If you manages, you can even contact National Geographics, and you will get known all over the world, and Save billions of souls, just by showing simple proof. Up to you of ourse.
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P.S ANY "GOD DID IT", or Bible Quotes are BANNED from this thread, i want you to ANSWER and DEBATE, not repeat yourself with pointless comments, please.[/B]
Full Version: Just Give Me Some Hard Solid Logic
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Everyone seems so eager to convert me, now i give you the chance, i think i already done this, but now, i will give STRICT rules YOU have to follow, coz im tired of all your posts saying NOTHING (God loves you, Oh [BIBLE QUOTE]etcetera), none of that, give me hard fact.
Now, we have evidence that the Earth is several billion years old. I dont know how many is Creationists here (Thats means literal belief in the Bible), i assume majority is not, i hope not, but maybe, if so, Just give me some facts showing Evolution to be faulty (some logical evidence showing its not feasible), or that All our hundred of dating methods proving the earth being a minimum of hundreds of thousands of years old.
P.S Evolution and Atheism is not the same. "Evolution" usually refers to the Theory of Evolution, which is about aspects of a science of biology about our living organism on our planet.
Atheism just means lack of belief in a God or gods, this is a neutral state of being (as you are not believing Santa until someone introduces such an idéa).
I give you a simple opportune here, Just give me some FACTS about the Evolution Theory being "wrong", i nany way it has not already said it could be wrong (as its science, it is open for change and corrections). Or even easier, if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, just show us.
Just one problem with that, we have civilizations older then that, and also, if you believe in the Flood, it would sorta occur during hight of Egypts pyramid building. And China, oh man. QAnyway, easy for you guys.
Anyone interested? If you manages, you can even contact National Geographics, and you will get known all over the world, and Save billions of souls, just by showing simple proof. Up to you of ourse.
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P.S ANY "GOD DID IT", or Bible Quotes are BANNED from this thread, i want you to ANSWER and DEBATE, not repeat yourself with pointless comments, please.[/B]
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Pocket you can't ban GOD, BIBLE QUOTES or anything that is religious in its nature that you disagree with. On this thread or any of these threads, you do not have the authority to do so. IT IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM. SO, with that said, have fun! I expect you to answer and debate also in the true form and not dance around issues.
May the LORD bless you!
Everyone seems so eager to convert me, now i give you the chance, i think i already done this, but now, i will give STRICT rules YOU have to follow, coz im tired of all your posts saying NOTHING (God loves you, Oh [BIBLE QUOTE]etcetera), none of that, give me hard fact.
Now, we have evidence that the Earth is several billion years old. I dont know how many is Creationists here (Thats means literal belief in the Bible), i assume majority is not, i hope not, but maybe, if so, Just give me some facts showing Evolution to be faulty (some logical evidence showing its not feasible), or that All our hundred of dating methods proving the earth being a minimum of hundreds of thousands of years old.
P.S Evolution and Atheism is not the same. "Evolution" usually refers to the Theory of Evolution, which is about aspects of a science of biology about our living organism on our planet.
Atheism just means lack of belief in a God or gods, this is a neutral state of being (as you are not believing Santa until someone introduces such an idéa).
I give you a simple opportune here, Just give me some FACTS about the Evolution Theory being "wrong", i nany way it has not already said it could be wrong (as its science, it is open for change and corrections). Or even easier, if you believe the world to be 6000 years old, just show us.
Just one problem with that, we have civilizations older then that, and also, if you believe in the Flood, it would sorta occur during hight of Egypts pyramid building. And China, oh man. QAnyway, easy for you guys.
Anyone interested? If you manages, you can even contact National Geographics, and you will get known all over the world, and Save billions of souls, just by showing simple proof. Up to you of ourse.
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P.S ANY "GOD DID IT", or Bible Quotes are BANNED from this thread, i want you to ANSWER and DEBATE, not repeat yourself with pointless comments, please.[/B]
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Pocket you can't ban GOD, BIBLE QUOTES or anything that is religious in its nature that you disagree with. On this thread or any of these threads, you do not have the authority to do so. IT IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM. SO, with that said, have fun! I expect you to answer and debate also in the true form and not dance around issues.
May the LORD bless you!
The bible is full of the facts you seek. But the key to unlocking them is in faith. No man will ever convince another of the reality of God. Only God can do that. That requires faith to ask and a "smart set" to believe when it happens. I do not condone the way you come on here instigating a manner of unbelief by demanding to to be coaxed.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2Ti 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, 2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2Ti 2:26 And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
[QUOTE]Pocket you can't ban GOD, BIBLE QUOTES or anything that is religious in its nature that you disagree with. On this thread or any of these threads, you do not have the authority to do so. IT IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM. SO, with that said, have fun! I expect you to answer and debate also in the true form and not dance around issues.
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THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT, I WANTED ANSWERS.
If you could not answer me, Then tell me "I have no proof, i believe in something i can not prove", atleast you would be honest. aned YES, i have the right to claim what should NOT be said when its my thread, i did NOT want pointless comments such as YOURS and the other one above, I want FACTS.
IF you have none, JUST ADMIT IT, Just tell me, "I know nothing, i believe in something without evidence", then you would atleast be intellectual honest. Why waste my time like this?
This is tragic.
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THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT, I WANTED ANSWERS.
If you could not answer me, Then tell me "I have no proof, i believe in something i can not prove", atleast you would be honest. aned YES, i have the right to claim what should NOT be said when its my thread, i did NOT want pointless comments such as YOURS and the other one above, I want FACTS.
IF you have none, JUST ADMIT IT, Just tell me, "I know nothing, i believe in something without evidence", then you would atleast be intellectual honest. Why waste my time like this?
This is tragic.
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Tragic for who?
Pocket... you have no spiritual understanding. If you do not believe the natural things we tell you, how can you believe spiritual things?
I agree with Maz. We cannot convince you of the reality of God. Jesus is the one whose voice you must answer. Not ours.
If, however, you want to explore the questions, go to this website:
www.answersingenesis.org
May the Lord grant you want you are seeking. God bless you. He loves you so much Pocket. HE LOVES YOU. His love is what draws us to him.
I agree with Maz. We cannot convince you of the reality of God. Jesus is the one whose voice you must answer. Not ours.
If, however, you want to explore the questions, go to this website:
www.answersingenesis.org
May the Lord grant you want you are seeking. God bless you. He loves you so much Pocket. HE LOVES YOU. His love is what draws us to him.
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[QUOTE]Pocket you can't ban GOD, BIBLE QUOTES or anything that is religious in its nature that you disagree with. On this thread or any of these threads, you do not have the authority to do so. IT IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM. SO, with that said, have fun! I expect you to answer and debate also in the true form and not dance around issues.
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THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT, I WANTED ANSWERS.
If you could not answer me, Then tell me "I have no proof, i believe in something i can not prove", atleast you would be honest. aned YES, i have the right to claim what should NOT be said when its my thread, i did NOT want pointless comments such as YOURS and the other one above, I want FACTS.
IF you have none, JUST ADMIT IT, Just tell me, "I know nothing, i believe in something without evidence", then you would atleast be intellectual honest. Why waste my time like this?
This is tragic.
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The answers you seek can only be found in JESUS.
[QUOTE]Pocket you can't ban GOD, BIBLE QUOTES or anything that is religious in its nature that you disagree with. On this thread or any of these threads, you do not have the authority to do so. IT IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM. SO, with that said, have fun! I expect you to answer and debate also in the true form and not dance around issues.
May the LORD bless you[/Quote]
THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I DID NOT WANT, I WANTED ANSWERS.
If you could not answer me, Then tell me "I have no proof, i believe in something i can not prove", atleast you would be honest. aned YES, i have the right to claim what should NOT be said when its my thread, i did NOT want pointless comments such as YOURS and the other one above, I want FACTS.
IF you have none, JUST ADMIT IT, Just tell me, "I know nothing, i believe in something without evidence", then you would atleast be intellectual honest. Why waste my time like this?
This is tragic.
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The answers you seek can only be found in JESUS.
POCKET... the Lord told me to give you this parable. He is trying to teach you here:
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower
1That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9He who has ears, let him hear."
10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"
11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[/B][a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Sower
1That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3Then he told them many things in parables, saying: "A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. 8Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. 9He who has ears, let him hear."
10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"
11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[/B][a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
Anyone wanting an intellectual discussion.
Its clear none of you have the capacity for debate, nor knowledge of any of these issues (such as Evolution, or even what atheism/theism means, isotopes etcetera). So i give up, no point in writing topics when you guys are to afraid of joining.
Its clear none of you have the capacity for debate, nor knowledge of any of these issues (such as Evolution, or even what atheism/theism means, isotopes etcetera). So i give up, no point in writing topics when you guys are to afraid of joining.
Forget the God loves you stuff pocket. Forget it entirely for a moment. It's true that Jesus loves you even though you don't believe in Him, but for the moment forget that.
Do you have eyes to see? Do you have ears to hear? Are you so busy spouting off that you can't recognize what's in front of your face? You got some time to read? Can someone fix this HTML problem?
HERE YOU GO POCKET:
Cells and DNA
In Darwin's time, scientists thought cells were just blobs of protoplasm.60 Since that time the advance of science has uncovered ever more powerful evidence that what Christians believe is true on all levels, including the natural world. And that is becoming even clearer today as scientists learn more about what is inside the cell-and especially the structure of DNA.42
According to cell biologist Bruce Alberts, president of the National Academy of Sciences, "The entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines."60
Even the simplest cells are bristling with high-tech machinery. On the outside, their surfaces are studded with sensors, gates, pumps and identification markers.60
Inside, cells are jam-packed with power plants, automated workshops and recycling units. Miniature monorails whisk materials from one location to another. No such system could arise in a blind, step-by-step Darwinian process.60
The most advanced, automated modern factory, with its computers and robots all coordinated on a precisely timed schedule, is less complex than the inner workings of a single cell.17
"A bacterium is far more complex than any inanimate system known to man. There is not a laboratory in the world which can compete with the biochemical activity of the smallest living organism. One cell is more complicated than the largest computer that man has ever made." - Sir James Gray, from Cambridge University
DNA is like a language in the heart of the cell, a molecular message, a set of instructions telling the cell how to construct proteins-much like the software needed to run a computer. Moreover, the amount of information DNA includes is staggering: A single cell of the human body contains three or four times more information as all 30 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica. As a result, the question of the origin of life must now be redefined as the question of the origin of biological information. Can information arise by natural forces alone? Or does it require an intelligent agent?42
DNA is composed of ordinary chemicals (bases, sugars, phosphates that react according to ordinary laws. What makes DNA function as a message is not the chemicals themselves but rather their sequence, their pattern. The chemicals in DNA are grouped into molecules (called nucleotides) that act like letters in a message, and they must be in a particular order if the message is going to be intelligible. If the letters are scrambled, the result is nonsense. So the crucial question is whether the sequence of chemical "letters" arose by natural causes or whether it required an intelligent source. Is it the product of law or design?42
Since DNA contains information, the case can be stated even more strongly in terms of information theory, a field of research that investigates the ways information is transmitted. The naturalistic scientist has only two possible ways to explain the origin of life-either chance or natural law. But information theory provides a powerful tool for discounting both of these explanations. Both chance and law lead to structures with low information content, whereas DNA has a very high information content."42
The sequence of basis in DNA can not be explained by natural law because there are no chemical laws that make any sequence more likely than another. At the same time these sequences are so complicated that they can not be explained by chance.67
"Based on probability factors . . any viable DNA strand having over 84 nucleotides cannot be the result of haphazard mutations. At that stage, the probabilities are 1 in 4.80 x 1050. Such a number, if written out, would read:
480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
"Mathematicians agree that any requisite number beyond 1050 has, statistically, a zero probability of occurrence (and even that gives it the benefit of the doubt!). Any species known to us, including the smallest single-cell bacteria, have enormously larger number of nucleotides than 100 or 1000. In fact, single cell bacteria display about 3,000,000 nucleotides, aligned in a very specific sequence. This means that there is no mathematical probability whatever for any known species to have been the product of a random occurrence—random mutations (to use the evolutionist's favorite expression)."—I. L. Cohen, Darwin was Wrong, 1984, p. 205.79
The study of DNA provides powerful new evidence that life is the product of intelligent design.42
Today, holding on to the hope that some natural process will be found to explain DNA is supremely irrational. The elusive process that naturalists hope to find would have to be completely unprecedented, different in kind from any we currently know.42
Although humans share about 97% of their DNA structure with some higher non-human animals, those last 3% are so vital that all of human civilization, religion, art, science, philosophy and, most importantly, their moral nature depends upon it.28
It is the 3% that distinguishes the theistic view of man's origin from the non-theistic view, as well as from the various societal and cultural consequences distinguishing each belief. As John Quincy Adams warned long ago, without a belief in theistic origins [in that three percent difference] man will have no conscience. He will have no other law than that of the tiger and the shark."28
ON ALL FRONTS, scientists are being forced to face up to the evidence for an intelligent cause. Ever since big bang theory was proposed, cosmologists have had to wrestle with the implications that the universe had an absolute beginning-and therefore a transcendent creator. The discovery of the information content in DNA is forcing biologists to recognize an intelligent cause for the origin of life. So, too, the fact of irreducible complexity is raising the question of design in living things.17
HERE YOU GO POCKET:
The Eye
"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree." - Charles Darwin18
An eye is completely useless unless all its parts are fully formed and working together. Even a slight alteration from its current form destroys its function. How, then, could the eye evolve by slight alterations? Even in Darwin's day the complexity of the eye was offered as evidence against his theory, and Darwin said the mere thought of trying to explain the eye gave him "a cold shudder."17
Darwin would have shuddered even harder had he known the structure of cells inside the eye. Contemporary Darwinists such as Richard Dawkins have tried to solve the problem by tracing a pathway to the evolution of the eye, starting with a light-sensitive spot, moving to a group of cells cupped to focus light better, and so on through a graded series of small improvements to produce a true lens.17
But as Michael Behe (author of Darwin's Black Box) points out, even the first step-the light-sensitive spot is irreducibly complex, requiring a chemical chain reaction, starting when a photon interacts with a molecule called 11-cis-retinal, that changes to trans-retinal, which forces a change in the shape of a protein called rhodopsin, which sticks to another protein called transducin, which binds to another molecule ... and so on. And where do those cupped cells that Dawkins talks about come from? There are dozens of complex proteins involved in maintaining cell shape, and dozens more that control groups of cells. Each of Dawkins's steps is itself a complex system, and adding them together doesn't answer where these complex systems came from in the first place.17
The human eye is so complex and sophisticated that scientists still do not fully understand how it works. The eye completes 100,000 separate functions in a single day. While we sleep the eye conducts its own maintenance work. Considering the number of complex structures in the eye, as well as the highly integrated synchronization, it is difficult to understand how the evolutionist can believe that the eye emerged from a natural trial-and-error process.17
Great numbers of trilobite fossils, ocean bottom dwelling creatures now thought to be extinct, have been preserved. Trilobite eyes had lenses made out of calcite. Because these lenses are made out of "rock" and therefore don't decay, paleontologists have been able to study the design of trilobite eyes. Unlike human eyes, which are composed of a single lens, the trilobite eye is composed of a double lens with up to 15,000 separate lens surfaces in each eye, allowing the trilobite to see under water perfectly without distortion. Precise application of several laws of optics, including Abbe's sine law and Fermat's principle, is inherent in the design of these lenses. How did a trilobite grow a second lens? How did the eye function before the second lens was present? Did a grand engineer design the eye or did it develop by chance?30
Researchers have found striking similarities between the compound eyes of these trilobites and those of modern insects. For instance, according to Riccardo Levi-Setti, "Trilobites could see in their immediate environment with amazingly sophisticated optical devices in the form of large composite eyes. ... The number of individual optical elements in the compound eye could vary from approximately one hundred to more than fifteen thousand in a single eye, a range not very different from that found in modern insects."38
HERE YOU GO POCKET:
Vestigial Organs
"Vestigial organs" in the human body were thought by evolutionists to be remnants of formerly important organs. At one time, more than 200 organs of the human body were classified as such. However, in the last 100 years, all but four of these organs have been found to have important functions for the body. It appears that every part of the human body has functionality. This implies masterful design, not chance evolutionary processes.30
HERE YOU GO POCKET:
Irreducible Complexity
Lehigh University professor of biochemistry Michael Behe's 1993 book Darwin's Black Box had an enormous impact on the scientific world. It shows that at the molecular level (the proteins and enzymes) the picture of every organism is one of irreducible complexity. They are more complex than a computer or a space ship and filled with intricate parts which all have to work together34
For example, complex functions like vision and digestion are performed by intricate biochemical molecular machines. If one part were to evolve in isolation, the entire system of interacting parts would stop functioning; and since, according to Darwinism, natural selection preserves the forms that function better than their rivals, the nonfunctioning system would be eliminated by natural selection - like the fish with lungs. Therefore, there is no possible Darwinian explanation of how irreducibly complex structures and systems came into existence.14, 17
Living things cannot simply change piecemeal - a new organ here, a new limb there. An organism is an integrated system with many interdependent components, and any isolated change in the system is more likely to be harmful than helpful.16, 17
Even Darwin himself understood the problem and admitted that it could falsify his theory. "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications," he wrote, "my theory would absolutely break down." Today we can say with confidence that his theory has broken down, for we now know that creation is full of examples of complex organs that could not possibly have been formed by numerous, slight modifications - life is just too complex to support the theory of evolution.14, 17
HERE YOU GO POCKET:
Evidence For A Young Earth and Universe
• James Ussher (1581–1656) was Archbishop of Armagh, the highest position in the Irish Anglican Church, a product of the Reformation in England. He was also a noted historian and Hebrew scholar, highly regarded throughout Britain, both by kings and revolutionaries. Ussher was recognized as one of the greatest scholars of his time, being an expert on Semitic languages and ancient history.82 According to his calculations in the early 1600s, the Earth is really only about 6,000 years old. Usher, a great scholar, knew when Nebuchadnezzar lived, and he worked his way backwards through the genealogies and came up with a creation date of 4004 BC. Evolutionist Stephen J. Gould stated that if Bishop Usher was right about the Bible being true, then the date would be correct.6
• Independently, Johannes Kepler (1571–1630), who formulated the laws of planetary motion, calculated a creation date of 3992 BC. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727), is widely regarded as the greatest scientist of all time, but he wrote more on biblical history. He vigorously defended a creation date of about 4,000 BC.82
• The old ages for the Earth come primarily from the ages of rocks, which evolutionists date by the presumed ages of the fossils in them. Radioactive measurements of rocks are based on assumptions that were chosen to make the radioactive measurements agree with the presumed ages of the fossils.63
• Naturalists choose an "index fossil," one that is in a certain layer and date it by when they think it evolved - not by Carbon-14 dating, nor potassium-argon, nor by uranium-lead dating. They date the fossil by when they think it evolved. Then they date the rock by the fossil, and then they prove evolution by the date on the rock. This is circular reasoning.6
• They cling to these assumptions even though there is a lot of scientific evidence for a young Earth.
• Human population can be extrapolated backwards to see how long it would have taken to achieve present-day numbers. Using conservative growth figures of one-half percent per year, Earth's population would have been eight people about 5,000 years ago, comparing very well with the number of people on Noah's Ark. Based on evolution's claim for the origin of man, the same ½ percent growth calculation for the human race results in a huge present day population that can not be justified by the fossil record or current statistics.30
• Rivers pour tons of material every year into the Earth's oceans. Scientists know with a fair degree of accuracy the quantity of each element's influx as well as the current concentration of these elements in the oceans. By simple division, they can calculate the time it took to reach present levels, even accounting for sedimentation and dissipation. None of these elements give an age of the Earth even coming close to billion of years.30
• Polystratic trees are fossil trees that extend through several "strata" of rock, sometimes penetrating 20 feet deep. According to evolutionists, a 20 foot deposit of rock would take place slowly and uniformly, over a great many years. However, the tops of such tree trunks would have decayed long before the new rock layers had a chance to surround them.30 At Katherine Hill Bay, Australia, a fossilized tree can be seen extending over twelve feet, through several sedimentary layers. This tree is testimony to the catastrophic and rapid burial that must have taken place.10
• When the carbon-14 test was first created, scientists used the process to date many different things including oil and coal. Tests of these two substances by this method revealed them to be only several thousand years old instead of millions of years old, as predicted by evolutionary theory. Once this method was shown to predict recent dates for oil and coal, scientists stopped dating oil and coal using this method.30
• Laboratory and field research has demonstrated that coal is formed rapidly and in vast quantities. Modern laboratories can duplicate the formation of coal formation in a matter of days - or even hours. Furthermore, massive seams of coal in the Earth remain undiluted by influxes of clay and other impurities before they thicken.10
• The Biblical account of Noah's Flood's description of the fountains of the great deep breaking up strongly indicates volcanic activity in the pre-Flood basins. This would have provided several of the key factors needed for the production of coal, along with an explanation of how the process could have occurred at such a rapid pace.10
• The pressure in modern day oil fields is too high for them to be very old. Current estimates indicate that the longest a rock layer could keep oil under pressure would be 100,000 years. Oil is simply not as old as evolutionists' claim.30
• It is well known that the interior of the Earth is very hot. For each mile you descend, the temperature increases by 118 degrees Fahrenheit. The Earth is a thousand miles in diameter; the core is so hot that the rocks are molten. Yet as Earth passes through the extreme cold of outer space, it's losing its heat. Even with the heat it receives from the sun, Earth's net heat loss is 1027 calories per second. This means that if it started at 190 degrees Fahrenheit on the surface, Earth would have been frozen stone cold to the center in the first 40 million years. If it were four billion years old, it should have been a huge sphere of ice over 100 times by now.6
• Earth's spin is slowing down at a rate of one third of a second every year. Extrapolating this back billions of years, we obtain an unreasonable spinning speed for the Earth.30
• Earth's magnetic field has been measured since 1835. It is growing weaker and the rate at which it is growing weaker has been calculated. If we extrapolate backwards, even to 20,000 BC, the magnetic field would have been so strong Earth would have been like a star and nothing could have lived here. Extrapolating further back, it would have been so strong it would have crushed the surface of the Earth in on itself.6
• Evolutionists say that the magnetic field of the Earth has shifted from positive to negative at times - that's how it keeps going. But observations of the sun's magnetic field's changing from positive to negative show it loses more energy each time instead of gaining energy. Applying the same criteria to the magnetic field of the Earth, we see is that it drops the age of our planet to about six to eight thousand years.6
• Like a giant vacuum cleaner, the sun sweeps up almost 100,000 tons of inflow per day. The sun's radiation pressure also pushes small, dust particles outward into space. This phenomenon is known as the Poynting-Robertson effect. If the solar system is really billions of years old, then the solar system should have been swept clean by now. Unfortunately for evolutionists, tons of space dust remain in our solar system.30
• When spiral galaxies make one full turn they leave behind distinctive pairs of arms because the interior stars move around faster than the outer stars. These galaxies are supposed to make one full turn every hundred million years meaning they should have a pair of arms for every 100 million years. If the Earth is five billion years old, galaxies should have so many arms they couldn't be counted. But astronomers haven't been able to find a galaxy with more than three pairs of arms, meaning they haven't been able to find one that's even half a billion years old.6
• A star cluster contains hundreds or thousands of stars moving, as one author put it, "like a swarm of bees," held together by gravity. But in some clusters, the stars are moving so fast that they could not have held together for millions or billions of years. Star clusters tell us that the age of the universe should be measured in thousands of years.30
• When big stars run out of fuel, they explode. Some of these "super nova remnants" are visible from the Earth. According to astronomical theory, in galaxies of our size, approximately 7,250 super nova remnants should be visible. Using the creationist age of the galaxy, we should expect to find between 125 and 200 super nova remnants. The actual number of super nova remnants visible from the Earth is 205, which is very close to the creationist numbers.30
• Secular scientists hang on to the old Earth and old universe interpretation because nobody will believe that nothing will evolve into something unless you have a massive period of time. It's so tightly clung to because if you take away the time, nobody's going to believe in evolution. The alternative is that there is a real God out there and they will all stand before Him.6
• "The most important message we have as Christians is that the wages of sin is death and the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord (Ephesians 2:8-9). If the Earth is really old, then the days of creation have to have been long periods of time, implying that what God created on the fifth day had to be long dead by the time Adam was created on the sixth day. And if there was death before Adam's sin, that cuts the Gospel message off at the knees."6
• Romans 8 says that all creation groans to be restored to its original perfect condition. The Old and New Testaments also affirm that God is going to restore it someday to its original perfect condition in the New Heaven and the New Earth. If there was death before Adam, what is God going to restore it to - death and bloodshed? If so, then God is not the God of the Bible.6
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Cells and DNA
In Darwin's time, scientists thought cells were just blobs of protoplasm.60 Since that time the advance of science has uncovered ever more powerful evidence that what Christians believe is true on all levels, including the natural world. And that is becoming even clearer today as scientists learn more about what is inside the cell-and especially the structure of DNA.42
According to cell biologist Bruce Alberts, president of the National Academy of Sciences, "The entire cell can be viewed as a factory that contains an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines."60
Even the simplest cells are bristling with high-tech machinery. On the outside, their surfaces are studded with sensors, gates, pumps and identification markers.60
Inside, cells are jam-packed with power plants, automated workshops and recycling units. Miniature monorails whisk materials from one location to another. No such system could arise in a blind, step-by-step Darwinian process.60
The most advanced, automated modern factory, with its computers and robots all coordinated on a precisely timed schedule, is less complex than the inner workings of a single cell.17
"A bacterium is far more complex than any inanimate system known to man. There is not a laboratory in the world which can compete with the biochemical activity of the smallest living organism. One cell is more complicated than the largest computer that man has ever made." - Sir James Gray, from Cambridge University
DNA is like a language in the heart of the cell, a molecular message, a set of instructions telling the cell how to construct proteins-much like the software needed to run a computer. Moreover, the amount of information DNA includes is staggering: A single cell of the human body contains three or four times more information as all 30 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica. As a result, the question of the origin of life must now be redefined as the question of the origin of biological information. Can information arise by natural forces alone? Or does it require an intelligent agent?42
DNA is composed of ordinary chemicals (bases, sugars, phosphates that react according to ordinary laws. What makes DNA function as a message is not the chemicals themselves but rather their sequence, their pattern. The chemicals in DNA are grouped into molecules (called nucleotides) that act like letters in a message, and they must be in a particular order if the message is going to be intelligible. If the letters are scrambled, the result is nonsense. So the crucial question is whether the sequence of chemical "letters" arose by natural causes or whether it required an intelligent source. Is it the product of law or design?42
Since DNA contains information, the case can be stated even more strongly in terms of information theory, a field of research that investigates the ways information is transmitted. The naturalistic scientist has only two possible ways to explain the origin of life-either chance or natural law. But information theory provides a powerful tool for discounting both of these explanations. Both chance and law lead to structures with low information content, whereas DNA has a very high information content."42
The sequence of basis in DNA can not be explained by natural law because there are no chemical laws that make any sequence more likely than another. At the same time these sequences are so complicated that they can not be explained by chance.67
"Based on probability factors . . any viable DNA strand having over 84 nucleotides cannot be the result of haphazard mutations. At that stage, the probabilities are 1 in 4.80 x 1050. Such a number, if written out, would read:
480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
"Mathematicians agree that any requisite number beyond 1050 has, statistically, a zero probability of occurrence (and even that gives it the benefit of the doubt!). Any species known to us, including the smallest single-cell bacteria, have enormously larger number of nucleotides than 100 or 1000. In fact, single cell bacteria display about 3,000,000 nucleotides, aligned in a very specific sequence. This means that there is no mathematical probability whatever for any known species to have been the product of a random occurrence—random mutations (to use the evolutionist's favorite expression)."—I. L. Cohen, Darwin was Wrong, 1984, p. 205.79
The study of DNA provides powerful new evidence that life is the product of intelligent design.42
Today, holding on to the hope that some natural process will be found to explain DNA is supremely irrational. The elusive process that naturalists hope to find would have to be completely unprecedented, different in kind from any we currently know.42
Although humans share about 97% of their DNA structure with some higher non-human animals, those last 3% are so vital that all of human civilization, religion, art, science, philosophy and, most importantly, their moral nature depends upon it.28
It is the 3% that distinguishes the theistic view of man's origin from the non-theistic view, as well as from the various societal and cultural consequences distinguishing each belief. As John Quincy Adams warned long ago, without a belief in theistic origins [in that three percent difference] man will have no conscience. He will have no other law than that of the tiger and the shark."28
ON ALL FRONTS, scientists are being forced to face up to the evidence for an intelligent cause. Ever since big bang theory was proposed, cosmologists have had to wrestle with the implications that the universe had an absolute beginning-and therefore a transcendent creator. The discovery of the information content in DNA is forcing biologists to recognize an intelligent cause for the origin of life. So, too, the fact of irreducible complexity is raising the question of design in living things.17
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The Eye
"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I confess, absurd in the highest degree." - Charles Darwin18
An eye is completely useless unless all its parts are fully formed and working together. Even a slight alteration from its current form destroys its function. How, then, could the eye evolve by slight alterations? Even in Darwin's day the complexity of the eye was offered as evidence against his theory, and Darwin said the mere thought of trying to explain the eye gave him "a cold shudder."17
Darwin would have shuddered even harder had he known the structure of cells inside the eye. Contemporary Darwinists such as Richard Dawkins have tried to solve the problem by tracing a pathway to the evolution of the eye, starting with a light-sensitive spot, moving to a group of cells cupped to focus light better, and so on through a graded series of small improvements to produce a true lens.17
But as Michael Behe (author of Darwin's Black Box) points out, even the first step-the light-sensitive spot is irreducibly complex, requiring a chemical chain reaction, starting when a photon interacts with a molecule called 11-cis-retinal, that changes to trans-retinal, which forces a change in the shape of a protein called rhodopsin, which sticks to another protein called transducin, which binds to another molecule ... and so on. And where do those cupped cells that Dawkins talks about come from? There are dozens of complex proteins involved in maintaining cell shape, and dozens more that control groups of cells. Each of Dawkins's steps is itself a complex system, and adding them together doesn't answer where these complex systems came from in the first place.17
The human eye is so complex and sophisticated that scientists still do not fully understand how it works. The eye completes 100,000 separate functions in a single day. While we sleep the eye conducts its own maintenance work. Considering the number of complex structures in the eye, as well as the highly integrated synchronization, it is difficult to understand how the evolutionist can believe that the eye emerged from a natural trial-and-error process.17
Great numbers of trilobite fossils, ocean bottom dwelling creatures now thought to be extinct, have been preserved. Trilobite eyes had lenses made out of calcite. Because these lenses are made out of "rock" and therefore don't decay, paleontologists have been able to study the design of trilobite eyes. Unlike human eyes, which are composed of a single lens, the trilobite eye is composed of a double lens with up to 15,000 separate lens surfaces in each eye, allowing the trilobite to see under water perfectly without distortion. Precise application of several laws of optics, including Abbe's sine law and Fermat's principle, is inherent in the design of these lenses. How did a trilobite grow a second lens? How did the eye function before the second lens was present? Did a grand engineer design the eye or did it develop by chance?30
Researchers have found striking similarities between the compound eyes of these trilobites and those of modern insects. For instance, according to Riccardo Levi-Setti, "Trilobites could see in their immediate environment with amazingly sophisticated optical devices in the form of large composite eyes. ... The number of individual optical elements in the compound eye could vary from approximately one hundred to more than fifteen thousand in a single eye, a range not very different from that found in modern insects."38
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Vestigial Organs
"Vestigial organs" in the human body were thought by evolutionists to be remnants of formerly important organs. At one time, more than 200 organs of the human body were classified as such. However, in the last 100 years, all but four of these organs have been found to have important functions for the body. It appears that every part of the human body has functionality. This implies masterful design, not chance evolutionary processes.30
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Irreducible Complexity
Lehigh University professor of biochemistry Michael Behe's 1993 book Darwin's Black Box had an enormous impact on the scientific world. It shows that at the molecular level (the proteins and enzymes) the picture of every organism is one of irreducible complexity. They are more complex than a computer or a space ship and filled with intricate parts which all have to work together34
For example, complex functions like vision and digestion are performed by intricate biochemical molecular machines. If one part were to evolve in isolation, the entire system of interacting parts would stop functioning; and since, according to Darwinism, natural selection preserves the forms that function better than their rivals, the nonfunctioning system would be eliminated by natural selection - like the fish with lungs. Therefore, there is no possible Darwinian explanation of how irreducibly complex structures and systems came into existence.14, 17
Living things cannot simply change piecemeal - a new organ here, a new limb there. An organism is an integrated system with many interdependent components, and any isolated change in the system is more likely to be harmful than helpful.16, 17
Even Darwin himself understood the problem and admitted that it could falsify his theory. "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications," he wrote, "my theory would absolutely break down." Today we can say with confidence that his theory has broken down, for we now know that creation is full of examples of complex organs that could not possibly have been formed by numerous, slight modifications - life is just too complex to support the theory of evolution.14, 17
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Evidence For A Young Earth and Universe
• James Ussher (1581–1656) was Archbishop of Armagh, the highest position in the Irish Anglican Church, a product of the Reformation in England. He was also a noted historian and Hebrew scholar, highly regarded throughout Britain, both by kings and revolutionaries. Ussher was recognized as one of the greatest scholars of his time, being an expert on Semitic languages and ancient history.82 According to his calculations in the early 1600s, the Earth is really only about 6,000 years old. Usher, a great scholar, knew when Nebuchadnezzar lived, and he worked his way backwards through the genealogies and came up with a creation date of 4004 BC. Evolutionist Stephen J. Gould stated that if Bishop Usher was right about the Bible being true, then the date would be correct.6
• Independently, Johannes Kepler (1571–1630), who formulated the laws of planetary motion, calculated a creation date of 3992 BC. Sir Isaac Newton (1643–1727), is widely regarded as the greatest scientist of all time, but he wrote more on biblical history. He vigorously defended a creation date of about 4,000 BC.82
• The old ages for the Earth come primarily from the ages of rocks, which evolutionists date by the presumed ages of the fossils in them. Radioactive measurements of rocks are based on assumptions that were chosen to make the radioactive measurements agree with the presumed ages of the fossils.63
• Naturalists choose an "index fossil," one that is in a certain layer and date it by when they think it evolved - not by Carbon-14 dating, nor potassium-argon, nor by uranium-lead dating. They date the fossil by when they think it evolved. Then they date the rock by the fossil, and then they prove evolution by the date on the rock. This is circular reasoning.6
• They cling to these assumptions even though there is a lot of scientific evidence for a young Earth.
• Human population can be extrapolated backwards to see how long it would have taken to achieve present-day numbers. Using conservative growth figures of one-half percent per year, Earth's population would have been eight people about 5,000 years ago, comparing very well with the number of people on Noah's Ark. Based on evolution's claim for the origin of man, the same ½ percent growth calculation for the human race results in a huge present day population that can not be justified by the fossil record or current statistics.30
• Rivers pour tons of material every year into the Earth's oceans. Scientists know with a fair degree of accuracy the quantity of each element's influx as well as the current concentration of these elements in the oceans. By simple division, they can calculate the time it took to reach present levels, even accounting for sedimentation and dissipation. None of these elements give an age of the Earth even coming close to billion of years.30
• Polystratic trees are fossil trees that extend through several "strata" of rock, sometimes penetrating 20 feet deep. According to evolutionists, a 20 foot deposit of rock would take place slowly and uniformly, over a great many years. However, the tops of such tree trunks would have decayed long before the new rock layers had a chance to surround them.30 At Katherine Hill Bay, Australia, a fossilized tree can be seen extending over twelve feet, through several sedimentary layers. This tree is testimony to the catastrophic and rapid burial that must have taken place.10
• When the carbon-14 test was first created, scientists used the process to date many different things including oil and coal. Tests of these two substances by this method revealed them to be only several thousand years old instead of millions of years old, as predicted by evolutionary theory. Once this method was shown to predict recent dates for oil and coal, scientists stopped dating oil and coal using this method.30
• Laboratory and field research has demonstrated that coal is formed rapidly and in vast quantities. Modern laboratories can duplicate the formation of coal formation in a matter of days - or even hours. Furthermore, massive seams of coal in the Earth remain undiluted by influxes of clay and other impurities before they thicken.10
• The Biblical account of Noah's Flood's description of the fountains of the great deep breaking up strongly indicates volcanic activity in the pre-Flood basins. This would have provided several of the key factors needed for the production of coal, along with an explanation of how the process could have occurred at such a rapid pace.10
• The pressure in modern day oil fields is too high for them to be very old. Current estimates indicate that the longest a rock layer could keep oil under pressure would be 100,000 years. Oil is simply not as old as evolutionists' claim.30
• It is well known that the interior of the Earth is very hot. For each mile you descend, the temperature increases by 118 degrees Fahrenheit. The Earth is a thousand miles in diameter; the core is so hot that the rocks are molten. Yet as Earth passes through the extreme cold of outer space, it's losing its heat. Even with the heat it receives from the sun, Earth's net heat loss is 1027 calories per second. This means that if it started at 190 degrees Fahrenheit on the surface, Earth would have been frozen stone cold to the center in the first 40 million years. If it were four billion years old, it should have been a huge sphere of ice over 100 times by now.6
• Earth's spin is slowing down at a rate of one third of a second every year. Extrapolating this back billions of years, we obtain an unreasonable spinning speed for the Earth.30
• Earth's magnetic field has been measured since 1835. It is growing weaker and the rate at which it is growing weaker has been calculated. If we extrapolate backwards, even to 20,000 BC, the magnetic field would have been so strong Earth would have been like a star and nothing could have lived here. Extrapolating further back, it would have been so strong it would have crushed the surface of the Earth in on itself.6
• Evolutionists say that the magnetic field of the Earth has shifted from positive to negative at times - that's how it keeps going. But observations of the sun's magnetic field's changing from positive to negative show it loses more energy each time instead of gaining energy. Applying the same criteria to the magnetic field of the Earth, we see is that it drops the age of our planet to about six to eight thousand years.6
• Like a giant vacuum cleaner, the sun sweeps up almost 100,000 tons of inflow per day. The sun's radiation pressure also pushes small, dust particles outward into space. This phenomenon is known as the Poynting-Robertson effect. If the solar system is really billions of years old, then the solar system should have been swept clean by now. Unfortunately for evolutionists, tons of space dust remain in our solar system.30
• When spiral galaxies make one full turn they leave behind distinctive pairs of arms because the interior stars move around faster than the outer stars. These galaxies are supposed to make one full turn every hundred million years meaning they should have a pair of arms for every 100 million years. If the Earth is five billion years old, galaxies should have so many arms they couldn't be counted. But astronomers haven't been able to find a galaxy with more than three pairs of arms, meaning they haven't been able to find one that's even half a billion years old.6
• A star cluster contains hundreds or thousands of stars moving, as one author put it, "like a swarm of bees," held together by gravity. But in some clusters, the stars are moving so fast that they could not have held together for millions or billions of years. Star clusters tell us that the age of the universe should be measured in thousands of years.30
• When big stars run out of fuel, they explode. Some of these "super nova remnants" are visible from the Earth. According to astronomical theory, in galaxies of our size, approximately 7,250 super nova remnants should be visible. Using the creationist age of the galaxy, we should expect to find between 125 and 200 super nova remnants. The actual number of super nova remnants visible from the Earth is 205, which is very close to the creationist numbers.30
• Secular scientists hang on to the old Earth and old universe interpretation because nobody will believe that nothing will evolve into something unless you have a massive period of time. It's so tightly clung to because if you take away the time, nobody's going to believe in evolution. The alternative is that there is a real God out there and they will all stand before Him.6
• "The most important message we have as Christians is that the wages of sin is death and the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ, our Lord (Ephesians 2:8-9). If the Earth is really old, then the days of creation have to have been long periods of time, implying that what God created on the fifth day had to be long dead by the time Adam was created on the sixth day. And if there was death before Adam's sin, that cuts the Gospel message off at the knees."6
• Romans 8 says that all creation groans to be restored to its original perfect condition. The Old and New Testaments also affirm that God is going to restore it someday to its original perfect condition in the New Heaven and the New Earth. If there was death before Adam, what is God going to restore it to - death and bloodshed? If so, then God is not the God of the Bible.6
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Pocket, you seem to be one sided in your thoughts as to the intelligence of others.
You won't understand until you begin to seek with a sincere heart. One that is truly seeking for the truth in God's word, not just merely seeking to argue.
Pocket if you are truly wanting to find out if God exists this is what you need to do.
1. Stop asking men/women to establish this proof for you.
2. Drop to your knees and cry out to the Lord to remove the scales from your eyes so you may see and understand what has already been told to you.
3. Repent and ask for forgiveness for your sins.
4. Allow the Lord to guide you and lead you and trust that He will.
5. Faith in Him increases only when you hear the word of God and then do the word of God.
6. His voice is within the heart of the believer, that is why you cannot currently hear Him, nor see His wonderful works. Until you begin this walk on your own you won't understand so this request of yours is pointless unless your willing to do the above items....
Pocket if you are truly wanting to find out if God exists this is what you need to do.
1. Stop asking men/women to establish this proof for you.
2. Drop to your knees and cry out to the Lord to remove the scales from your eyes so you may see and understand what has already been told to you.
3. Repent and ask for forgiveness for your sins.
4. Allow the Lord to guide you and lead you and trust that He will.
5. Faith in Him increases only when you hear the word of God and then do the word of God.
6. His voice is within the heart of the believer, that is why you cannot currently hear Him, nor see His wonderful works. Until you begin this walk on your own you won't understand so this request of yours is pointless unless your willing to do the above items....
Pocket
I will start off with this, I agree the earth is clearly billions of years old. What you see in the book of genesis is a recreation or a redressing event. The reason a missing link has not been found is because there is not one. The world was void and without form. It was covered with dead water, but the planet was still intact with all the fossils. This event took place about six thousand years ago.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
notice the word replenish.
All this is saying that God created the earth sometime in the distant past. Look at how the word water is defined in hebrew.
H4325
מים
mayim
mah'-yim
Dual of a primitive noun (but used in a singular sense); water; figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen: - + ---, wasting, water (-ing, [-course, -flood, -spring]).
This was waste water from a cataclysmic event. The earth that then was had been destroyed.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Another event similar to the event described in Genesis will happen again. To purify the earth of all the contamination man has done to it. This will be the beginning of the eternal ages, where God and His man will be together again, just as in the garden. But I am skipping through a bunch of stuff which happens in between. At any rate It is worth your attention.
I will start off with this, I agree the earth is clearly billions of years old. What you see in the book of genesis is a recreation or a redressing event. The reason a missing link has not been found is because there is not one. The world was void and without form. It was covered with dead water, but the planet was still intact with all the fossils. This event took place about six thousand years ago.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
notice the word replenish.
All this is saying that God created the earth sometime in the distant past. Look at how the word water is defined in hebrew.
H4325
מים
mayim
mah'-yim
Dual of a primitive noun (but used in a singular sense); water; figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen: - + ---, wasting, water (-ing, [-course, -flood, -spring]).
This was waste water from a cataclysmic event. The earth that then was had been destroyed.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Another event similar to the event described in Genesis will happen again. To purify the earth of all the contamination man has done to it. This will be the beginning of the eternal ages, where God and His man will be together again, just as in the garden. But I am skipping through a bunch of stuff which happens in between. At any rate It is worth your attention.
HEY POCKET, HOW ABOUT SOME MORE "ITELLECTUAL" STUFF? WHAT DO YA SAY?
The Earth IS NOT billions of years old, nor was it redressed.
THE AGE OF THE EARTH - 2
The scientific evidence points us away from the theory of long ages for our planet's existence. That evidence indicates that our planet is only a few thousand years old. Here are scientific facts to prove it. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.
EVIDENCE FROM THE GLOBE
1 - Earth rotation. Because of solar and lunar gravitational drag forces, the spin of the earth (now about 1,000 mph [1,609 kmph]) is gradually slowing down. If our world were billions of years old, it would already have stopped turning. Or, calculating differently, a billion years ago our planet would have been spinning so fast—it would have become a pancake. So, either way, our earth cannot be more than a few thousand years old.—p. 21.
2 - Magnetic field decay. Earth's magnetic field is slowly, relentlessly lessening. Even 7,000 years ago, the earth would have had a magnetic field 32 times stronger than it is now. Only 20,000 years ago, enough heat would have been generated to liquefy the planet. Therefore, the earth cannot be over 6,000 or 7,000 years old. This is an important matter, affects the entire planet, and has been measured for over 150 years.—pp. 21-23.
EVIDENCE FROM BENEATH THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH
1 - Escaping natural gas. Oil and gas are usually located in a porous and permeable rock like sandstone or limestone. Fluids and gas can easily travel through the containing rock, but more slowly pass out through the impermeable rock cap. The rate of gas escapement has been found to be far too rapid to agree with long ages. If the theory were true, all the natural gas would now be escaped.—p. 23.
2 - Oil pressure. When drillers first penetrate into oil, there is a "gusher." This is caused by high pressure in the oil vein. Analysis of surrounding rock permeability reveals that any pressure within the oil bed should have bled off within a few thousand years, but it has not happened. These deep rock formations and their entrapped oil cannot be older than 7,000 to 10,000 years.—pp. 23, 26.
3 - Oil seepage. If much oil seepage had occurred from out of the ocean floors, all the oil in offshore wells would be gone if the earth were 20,000 years old.—p. 26.
4 - Lack of anciently destroyed reservoirs. All the oil in the world must have been placed there in relatively recent times. If long ages had elapsed, the oil reservoirs would be gone, and we would only find the cavities where they had been. But such locations are never found.—p. 26.
5 - Molten earth. Deep within the earth, the rock is molten; but, if the earth were billions of years old, long ages ago our planet would have cooled far more than it now has.—p. 26.
6 - Volcanic eruptions. There are many extinct volcanoes, but evidence indicates that volcanic activity has only continued a relatively short time since the world began. Otherwise, there would be far more lava than now exists.—pp. 26-27.
7 - Zircon / lead ratios. Lead gradually leaks out of radioactive zircon crystals, and does so more rapidly at high temperatures. Yet very little lead has escaped from zircon found deep in the earth at temperatures above 313oC [595.4oF]. This points strongly to a young earth.—p. 27.
8 - Zircon / helium ratios. Helium is a gas and can diffuse out of crystals much more rapidly than many other elements, including lead. Since heat increases chemical activity, there should be no helium left in the zircon in that same deep hole. Yet amazingly little helium has escaped. Therefore the world must be very young.—p. 27.
9 - Soil-water ratio. The earth is still in the partially soaked condition it became at the time of the Flood. This indicates that the Flood occurred only a few thousand years ago.—p. 27.
EVIDENCE FROM ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH
1 - Topsoil. It has been calculated that 300 to 1,000 years is required to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. Yet the average depth of topsoil is about eight inches. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.—p. 27.
2 - Niagara Falls. Erosion of Niagara Falls is about 3.5 feet [106.68 cm] per year. Since the length of the gorge is about 7 miles, the age of the falls would normally be about 5,000 to 10,000 years at the most. However, the Flood would have greatly accelerated that erosion.—p. 27.
EVIDENCE FROM THE OCEANS
1 - River deltas. The Mississippi River dumps 300 million cubic yards [229 million cm] of mud into the Gulf of Mexico each year—continually enlarging the delta area. Yet the Mississippi delta is not large. Calculations reveal it has only been forming for the past 4,000 years (4,620 years, to be exact). If the world were 120,000 years old, that delta would extend all the way to the North Pole.—pp. 27-28.
2 - Sea ooze. Soft mud from dead plants and animal life form on the floor of the oceans, at the rate of about one inch (2.54 cm) every 1,000 to 5,000 years. The depth of ooze indicates the earth is quite young.—p. 28.
3 - Erosion in the ocean. We do not find the erosion in the ocean floors which ought to be there if the world were millions or billions of years old. There are ragged cliffs and steep mountains. Indeed, the continents should have eroded into the oceans by now.—p. 28.
4 - Thickness of ocean sediments. If the earth were billions of years old, the ocean floor would be covered by sediments from land, measuring 60 to 100 miles [96.5 to 160.9 km] thick, and all the continents would be eroded away. Instead, we only find a few thousand feet of sediment. Based on known yearly sediment deposition, calculations yield only a few thousand years for our planet.—pp. 28-29.
5 - Ocean concentrations. We have a good estimate of the amount of various elements and salts in the ocean, and the amount being added each year. On this basis, our world is fairly young. For example, the age of the earth, based on nitrate analysis, would be 13,000 years.—p. 29.
6 - Growth of coral. Coral growth rates indicate the earth is quite young. No known coral formation is older than 3,500 years.—p. 29.
EVIDENCE FROM LIVING THINGS
1 - Tree rings. Sequoias are never older than 4,000 years, yet are the oldest living thing in our world. Bristlecone pines are said to be older (over 4,000 years); however, it is now known that some years they produce a double tree ring. Therefore, the sequoias remain the oldest. Only man or flood can destroy the sequoia. It appears that climatic conditions, prior to 600 B.C., were erratic and produced difficult conditions, enabling tree-ring counts to provide longer ages than actually occurred.—pp. 29-30.
2 - Mutation load. Calculations based on genetic load (the gradually increasing negative effect of mutation on living organisms) indicate that life forms could not have continued more than several thousand years,—and still be as free from mutational defects as they now are. (The deteriorated atmosphere after the Flood, with the consequent increase of solar radiation, probably increased this genetic load.)—p. 30.
EVIDENCE FROM CIVILIZATION
1 - Historical records. If mankind had been living on earth for millions of years, we should find records extending back at least 500,000 years. (Evolutionists claim that man has been here for a million years.) But, instead, records only go back to about 2000-3500 B.C. When writing began, it was fully developed. The earliest dates are Egyptian (Manetho's king lists), but should be lowered for several reasons. Well-authenticated Egyptian dates only go back to 1600 B.C.—pp. 30-31.
2 - Early Biblical records. Bible records carry us back to a Creation date of approximately 4000 B.C., with a Flood date of about 2348 B.C. Scientific facts point us toward the same dates.—pp. 31-32.
3 - Astronomical records. Prior to 2250 B.C., we have not one record of a solar eclipse ever having been seen by people! Because it is totally accurate, that earliest recorded astronomical event is a significant date. It comes only about a hundred years after the Flood. We have reason to believe the sky was darkened with volcanic eruptions for years after the Flood ended.—p. 32.
4 - Writing. The oldest writing (pictographic Sumerian) is dated at about 3500 B.C. The earliest Western script (Proto-Sinaitic) somewhat before 1550 B.C.—p. 32.
5 - Civilizations. No really verified archaeological datings predate the period of about 3000 B.C. More ancient dates come from radiocarbon dating, which, prior to about 600 B.C., is known to be much more inaccurate. In every instance, our earliest aspects of civilization (crops, animal husbandry, metallurgy, building, cities, etc.) go back to the Near East. This agrees with the Bible record (Genesis 8:4).—p. 32.
6 - Languages. Records of ancient languages never go back beyond 3000 B.C.; yet, beginning in the Near East, there are language families which have spread all over the world since then.—pp. 32-33.
7 - Population statistics. Estimates, based on population changes, indicate that, about the year 3300 B.C., there was only one family.—p. 33.
8 - Facts vs. theories. Evolutionary estimates of the age of the earth have constantly changed and lengthened with the passing of time (it currently stands at 5 billion years). But the scientific evidence remains constant and, as new authentic evidence emerges, it only fastens down the dates even more firmly. It all points to a beginning for our planet about 6,000 years ago. Some may see it as 7,000 to 10,000 years, but the evidence points most distinctly toward a date of about 4,000 B.C. for the origin of our planet. The evidence for an early earth is not only solid, it is scientific.—pp. 34-35.
Link below.
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/05agee3.htm#Evidence%20from%20Surface
The Earth IS NOT billions of years old, nor was it redressed.
THE AGE OF THE EARTH - 2
The scientific evidence points us away from the theory of long ages for our planet's existence. That evidence indicates that our planet is only a few thousand years old. Here are scientific facts to prove it. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.
EVIDENCE FROM THE GLOBE
1 - Earth rotation. Because of solar and lunar gravitational drag forces, the spin of the earth (now about 1,000 mph [1,609 kmph]) is gradually slowing down. If our world were billions of years old, it would already have stopped turning. Or, calculating differently, a billion years ago our planet would have been spinning so fast—it would have become a pancake. So, either way, our earth cannot be more than a few thousand years old.—p. 21.
2 - Magnetic field decay. Earth's magnetic field is slowly, relentlessly lessening. Even 7,000 years ago, the earth would have had a magnetic field 32 times stronger than it is now. Only 20,000 years ago, enough heat would have been generated to liquefy the planet. Therefore, the earth cannot be over 6,000 or 7,000 years old. This is an important matter, affects the entire planet, and has been measured for over 150 years.—pp. 21-23.
EVIDENCE FROM BENEATH THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH
1 - Escaping natural gas. Oil and gas are usually located in a porous and permeable rock like sandstone or limestone. Fluids and gas can easily travel through the containing rock, but more slowly pass out through the impermeable rock cap. The rate of gas escapement has been found to be far too rapid to agree with long ages. If the theory were true, all the natural gas would now be escaped.—p. 23.
2 - Oil pressure. When drillers first penetrate into oil, there is a "gusher." This is caused by high pressure in the oil vein. Analysis of surrounding rock permeability reveals that any pressure within the oil bed should have bled off within a few thousand years, but it has not happened. These deep rock formations and their entrapped oil cannot be older than 7,000 to 10,000 years.—pp. 23, 26.
3 - Oil seepage. If much oil seepage had occurred from out of the ocean floors, all the oil in offshore wells would be gone if the earth were 20,000 years old.—p. 26.
4 - Lack of anciently destroyed reservoirs. All the oil in the world must have been placed there in relatively recent times. If long ages had elapsed, the oil reservoirs would be gone, and we would only find the cavities where they had been. But such locations are never found.—p. 26.
5 - Molten earth. Deep within the earth, the rock is molten; but, if the earth were billions of years old, long ages ago our planet would have cooled far more than it now has.—p. 26.
6 - Volcanic eruptions. There are many extinct volcanoes, but evidence indicates that volcanic activity has only continued a relatively short time since the world began. Otherwise, there would be far more lava than now exists.—pp. 26-27.
7 - Zircon / lead ratios. Lead gradually leaks out of radioactive zircon crystals, and does so more rapidly at high temperatures. Yet very little lead has escaped from zircon found deep in the earth at temperatures above 313oC [595.4oF]. This points strongly to a young earth.—p. 27.
8 - Zircon / helium ratios. Helium is a gas and can diffuse out of crystals much more rapidly than many other elements, including lead. Since heat increases chemical activity, there should be no helium left in the zircon in that same deep hole. Yet amazingly little helium has escaped. Therefore the world must be very young.—p. 27.
9 - Soil-water ratio. The earth is still in the partially soaked condition it became at the time of the Flood. This indicates that the Flood occurred only a few thousand years ago.—p. 27.
EVIDENCE FROM ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH
1 - Topsoil. It has been calculated that 300 to 1,000 years is required to build one inch [2.54 cm] of topsoil. Yet the average depth of topsoil is about eight inches. On this basis, the earth could only be a few thousand years old.—p. 27.
2 - Niagara Falls. Erosion of Niagara Falls is about 3.5 feet [106.68 cm] per year. Since the length of the gorge is about 7 miles, the age of the falls would normally be about 5,000 to 10,000 years at the most. However, the Flood would have greatly accelerated that erosion.—p. 27.
EVIDENCE FROM THE OCEANS
1 - River deltas. The Mississippi River dumps 300 million cubic yards [229 million cm] of mud into the Gulf of Mexico each year—continually enlarging the delta area. Yet the Mississippi delta is not large. Calculations reveal it has only been forming for the past 4,000 years (4,620 years, to be exact). If the world were 120,000 years old, that delta would extend all the way to the North Pole.—pp. 27-28.
2 - Sea ooze. Soft mud from dead plants and animal life form on the floor of the oceans, at the rate of about one inch (2.54 cm) every 1,000 to 5,000 years. The depth of ooze indicates the earth is quite young.—p. 28.
3 - Erosion in the ocean. We do not find the erosion in the ocean floors which ought to be there if the world were millions or billions of years old. There are ragged cliffs and steep mountains. Indeed, the continents should have eroded into the oceans by now.—p. 28.
4 - Thickness of ocean sediments. If the earth were billions of years old, the ocean floor would be covered by sediments from land, measuring 60 to 100 miles [96.5 to 160.9 km] thick, and all the continents would be eroded away. Instead, we only find a few thousand feet of sediment. Based on known yearly sediment deposition, calculations yield only a few thousand years for our planet.—pp. 28-29.
5 - Ocean concentrations. We have a good estimate of the amount of various elements and salts in the ocean, and the amount being added each year. On this basis, our world is fairly young. For example, the age of the earth, based on nitrate analysis, would be 13,000 years.—p. 29.
6 - Growth of coral. Coral growth rates indicate the earth is quite young. No known coral formation is older than 3,500 years.—p. 29.
EVIDENCE FROM LIVING THINGS
1 - Tree rings. Sequoias are never older than 4,000 years, yet are the oldest living thing in our world. Bristlecone pines are said to be older (over 4,000 years); however, it is now known that some years they produce a double tree ring. Therefore, the sequoias remain the oldest. Only man or flood can destroy the sequoia. It appears that climatic conditions, prior to 600 B.C., were erratic and produced difficult conditions, enabling tree-ring counts to provide longer ages than actually occurred.—pp. 29-30.
2 - Mutation load. Calculations based on genetic load (the gradually increasing negative effect of mutation on living organisms) indicate that life forms could not have continued more than several thousand years,—and still be as free from mutational defects as they now are. (The deteriorated atmosphere after the Flood, with the consequent increase of solar radiation, probably increased this genetic load.)—p. 30.
EVIDENCE FROM CIVILIZATION
1 - Historical records. If mankind had been living on earth for millions of years, we should find records extending back at least 500,000 years. (Evolutionists claim that man has been here for a million years.) But, instead, records only go back to about 2000-3500 B.C. When writing began, it was fully developed. The earliest dates are Egyptian (Manetho's king lists), but should be lowered for several reasons. Well-authenticated Egyptian dates only go back to 1600 B.C.—pp. 30-31.
2 - Early Biblical records. Bible records carry us back to a Creation date of approximately 4000 B.C., with a Flood date of about 2348 B.C. Scientific facts point us toward the same dates.—pp. 31-32.
3 - Astronomical records. Prior to 2250 B.C., we have not one record of a solar eclipse ever having been seen by people! Because it is totally accurate, that earliest recorded astronomical event is a significant date. It comes only about a hundred years after the Flood. We have reason to believe the sky was darkened with volcanic eruptions for years after the Flood ended.—p. 32.
4 - Writing. The oldest writing (pictographic Sumerian) is dated at about 3500 B.C. The earliest Western script (Proto-Sinaitic) somewhat before 1550 B.C.—p. 32.
5 - Civilizations. No really verified archaeological datings predate the period of about 3000 B.C. More ancient dates come from radiocarbon dating, which, prior to about 600 B.C., is known to be much more inaccurate. In every instance, our earliest aspects of civilization (crops, animal husbandry, metallurgy, building, cities, etc.) go back to the Near East. This agrees with the Bible record (Genesis 8:4).—p. 32.
6 - Languages. Records of ancient languages never go back beyond 3000 B.C.; yet, beginning in the Near East, there are language families which have spread all over the world since then.—pp. 32-33.
7 - Population statistics. Estimates, based on population changes, indicate that, about the year 3300 B.C., there was only one family.—p. 33.
8 - Facts vs. theories. Evolutionary estimates of the age of the earth have constantly changed and lengthened with the passing of time (it currently stands at 5 billion years). But the scientific evidence remains constant and, as new authentic evidence emerges, it only fastens down the dates even more firmly. It all points to a beginning for our planet about 6,000 years ago. Some may see it as 7,000 to 10,000 years, but the evidence points most distinctly toward a date of about 4,000 B.C. for the origin of our planet. The evidence for an early earth is not only solid, it is scientific.—pp. 34-35.
Link below.
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/05agee3.htm#Evidence%20from%20Surface
[quote]Earth's spin is slowing down at a rate of one third of a second every year. Extrapolating this back billions of years, we obtain an unreasonable spinning speed for the Earth.30[/quote]
As you would not listen, and probably not understand if i answered everything, i just wanted to take a simple piece.
I get a feeling of Kent Hovind when reding all this. So you take the current speed of earth, and count it for billions of years? Sorta like another one, Taking the distance of the moon ans says it would be to closer etcetera. I have a hard time seeing that you believe this yourself, Do you?
Seriously, simple question, do you really see this as answers? All of this is against logic, i means, seriously:
[quote]When big stars run out of fuel, they explode. Some of these "super nova remnants" are visible from the Earth. According to astronomical theory, in galaxies of our size, approximately 7,250 super nova remnants should be visible. Using the creationist age of the galaxy, we should expect to find between 125 and 200 super nova remnants. The actual number of super nova remnants visible from the Earth is 205, which is very close to the creationist numbers.30[/quote]
And where edo you think the Creationist think they got the number from at all? This is like the Age of Earth, Creationist Take the CURRENT number, and extrapolate so it suits their amount, ignoring All other facts. Worlds population is perfect example of that, saying its "perfect" for a 6000 year old worth, but it would be PACKED now, if we are "3 billion years old" etcetera, its so aLogical its truly not worth discussing.
And i bet you would not want to.
As you would not listen, and probably not understand if i answered everything, i just wanted to take a simple piece.
I get a feeling of Kent Hovind when reding all this. So you take the current speed of earth, and count it for billions of years? Sorta like another one, Taking the distance of the moon ans says it would be to closer etcetera. I have a hard time seeing that you believe this yourself, Do you?
Seriously, simple question, do you really see this as answers? All of this is against logic, i means, seriously:
[quote]When big stars run out of fuel, they explode. Some of these "super nova remnants" are visible from the Earth. According to astronomical theory, in galaxies of our size, approximately 7,250 super nova remnants should be visible. Using the creationist age of the galaxy, we should expect to find between 125 and 200 super nova remnants. The actual number of super nova remnants visible from the Earth is 205, which is very close to the creationist numbers.30[/quote]
And where edo you think the Creationist think they got the number from at all? This is like the Age of Earth, Creationist Take the CURRENT number, and extrapolate so it suits their amount, ignoring All other facts. Worlds population is perfect example of that, saying its "perfect" for a 6000 year old worth, but it would be PACKED now, if we are "3 billion years old" etcetera, its so aLogical its truly not worth discussing.
And i bet you would not want to.
God doesn't play dice.
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
Welcome back Pocket. Braving the Christian waters again, are we?
Do you want facts or do you want logic? I'll just tell you that not very good at either, just to let you know.
But before this beings I want to start with an assumption on my behalf, and you can tell me if I am wrong. It's quite logical.
I assume you will still be an atheist despite whatever I tell you. This is not my personal belief as that really isn't germain to the terms of this thread, but my assumption that you will continue to be an atheist no matter what. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Do you want facts or do you want logic? I'll just tell you that not very good at either, just to let you know.
But before this beings I want to start with an assumption on my behalf, and you can tell me if I am wrong. It's quite logical.
I assume you will still be an atheist despite whatever I tell you. This is not my personal belief as that really isn't germain to the terms of this thread, but my assumption that you will continue to be an atheist no matter what. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein
-- Albert Einstein
Oh but Pocket you forgot the BIG BANG theory on the populus. You didn't take that in to consideration....
God may be subtle, but He isn't plain mean. -- Albert Einstein
Pocket , funny I thought you wanted to keep GOD out if this......but not even you can keep GOD from doing HIS WILL.
[quote=Pocket,Apr 11 2006, 06:41 PM]
[quote]Earth's spin is slowing down at a rate of one third of a second every year. Extrapolating this back billions of years, we obtain an unreasonable spinning speed for the Earth.30[/quote]
As you would not listen, and probably not understand if i answered everything, i just wanted to take a simple piece.
I get a feeling of Kent Hovind when reding all this. So you take the current speed of earth, and count it for billions of years? Sorta like another one, Taking the distance of the moon ans says it would be to closer etcetera. I have a hard time seeing that you believe this yourself, Do you?
Seriously, simple question, do you really see this as answers? All of this is against logic, i means, seriously:
[quote]When big stars run out of fuel, they explode. Some of these "super nova remnants" are visible from the Earth. According to astronomical theory, in galaxies of our size, approximately 7,250 super nova remnants should be visible. Using the creationist age of the galaxy, we should expect to find between 125 and 200 super nova remnants. The actual number of super nova remnants visible from the Earth is 205, which is very close to the creationist numbers.30[/quote]
And where edo you think the Creationist think they got the number from at all? This is like the Age of Earth, Creationist Take the CURRENT number, and extrapolate so it suits their amount, ignoring All other facts. Worlds population is perfect example of that, saying its "perfect" for a 6000 year old worth, but it would be PACKED now, if we are "3 billion years old" etcetera, its so aLogical its truly not worth discussing.
And i bet you would not want to.
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One thing that you have PROVED here pocket is you are just here to antagonize and cherry pick and bait. You have PROVED what you are and PROVED that you will not and cannot and refuse to see. You have also PROVED that you are not open to listen even when someone gives you links and facts to something that strikes at the opposite of what you thought was true, even when you are crying and moaning for an "intellectual" conversation.
You are correct about one thing, this is no longer worth discussing.
Dusting off now.
Good luck being an atheist, you'll need it.
[quote]Earth's spin is slowing down at a rate of one third of a second every year. Extrapolating this back billions of years, we obtain an unreasonable spinning speed for the Earth.30[/quote]
As you would not listen, and probably not understand if i answered everything, i just wanted to take a simple piece.
I get a feeling of Kent Hovind when reding all this. So you take the current speed of earth, and count it for billions of years? Sorta like another one, Taking the distance of the moon ans says it would be to closer etcetera. I have a hard time seeing that you believe this yourself, Do you?
Seriously, simple question, do you really see this as answers? All of this is against logic, i means, seriously:
[quote]When big stars run out of fuel, they explode. Some of these "super nova remnants" are visible from the Earth. According to astronomical theory, in galaxies of our size, approximately 7,250 super nova remnants should be visible. Using the creationist age of the galaxy, we should expect to find between 125 and 200 super nova remnants. The actual number of super nova remnants visible from the Earth is 205, which is very close to the creationist numbers.30[/quote]
And where edo you think the Creationist think they got the number from at all? This is like the Age of Earth, Creationist Take the CURRENT number, and extrapolate so it suits their amount, ignoring All other facts. Worlds population is perfect example of that, saying its "perfect" for a 6000 year old worth, but it would be PACKED now, if we are "3 billion years old" etcetera, its so aLogical its truly not worth discussing.
And i bet you would not want to.
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One thing that you have PROVED here pocket is you are just here to antagonize and cherry pick and bait. You have PROVED what you are and PROVED that you will not and cannot and refuse to see. You have also PROVED that you are not open to listen even when someone gives you links and facts to something that strikes at the opposite of what you thought was true, even when you are crying and moaning for an "intellectual" conversation.
You are correct about one thing, this is no longer worth discussing.
Dusting off now.
Good luck being an atheist, you'll need it.
I feel very sorry for you Pocket. We are all cheering you on, asking the Lord for forgiveness of your sins, watching you writhe in pain as if we are pouring salt into a wound. You must have had some very horrible things happen to you in your lifetime, which I am sorry for it that is the truth. But you know, the TRUTH is a PERSON, it is JESUS CHRIST, and only HE can save your SINFUL SOUL. Yes, Pocket, SINFUL. It just takes a deep look into yourself to see that yes, you too sin! You do... we all have... and there is no other way to save our sorry souls without a SAVIOR. You may feel you need proof before you believe, but what about having the courage to believe BEFORE you see??? You may just have a miracle in your life and Jesus will show you His presence to you like He's never done before. Your life will be changed forever. You just aren't willing to take that chance. If you do though, and HE does become your King, like He has for the rest of us, I hope you will share it with us so we may also rejoice with the Angels above. They have a party every time someone comes to know Jesus as Lord.
Hope I see you in Heaven, Pocket. Take the challenge... BELIEVE without SEEING. You'll be glad you did.
Dusting off too Sean... hoping Pocket will be back with Holy Ghost Fire!!!
Hope I see you in Heaven, Pocket. Take the challenge... BELIEVE without SEEING. You'll be glad you did.
Dusting off too Sean... hoping Pocket will be back with Holy Ghost Fire!!!
Einstein was actually Athiest. The comments he made on God was in the same way somoene would mention the Easter Bunny.
p.s Who said i even believe in "The Big Bang".?
p.s Who said i even believe in "The Big Bang".?
This is pointless as Pocket has received a substanial amount of information on our Lord and Savior and yet he still refuses to believe.
I am also dusting myself off and moving on.....
I am also dusting myself off and moving on.....
[quote=rtkiii66,Apr 11 2006, 05:23 PM]
Pocket
I will start off with this, I agree the earth is clearly billions of years old. What you see in the book of genesis is a recreation or a redressing event. The reason a missing link has not been found is because there is not one. The world was void and without form. It was covered with dead water, but the planet was still intact with all the fossils. This event took place about six thousand years ago.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
notice the word replenish.
All this is saying that God created the earth sometime in the distant past. Look at how the word water is defined in hebrew.
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mayim
mah'-yim
Dual of a primitive noun (but used in a singular sense); water; figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen: - + ---, wasting, water (-ing, [-course, -flood, -spring]).
This was waste water from a cataclysmic event. The earth that then was had been destroyed.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Another event similar to the event described in Genesis will happen again. To purify the earth of all the contamination man has done to it. This will be the beginning of the eternal ages, where God and His man will be together again, just as in the garden. But I am skipping through a bunch of stuff which happens in between. At any rate It is worth your attention.
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I will start off with this, I agree the earth is clearly billions of years old. What you see in the book of genesis is a recreation or a redressing event. The reason a missing link has not been found is because there is not one. The world was void and without form. It was covered with dead water, but the planet was still intact with all the fossils. This event took place about six thousand years ago.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
notice the word replenish.
All this is saying that God created the earth sometime in the distant past. Look at how the word water is defined in hebrew.
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mayim
mah'-yim
Dual of a primitive noun (but used in a singular sense); water; figuratively juice; by euphemism urine, semen: - + ---, wasting, water (-ing, [-course, -flood, -spring]).
This was waste water from a cataclysmic event. The earth that then was had been destroyed.
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Another event similar to the event described in Genesis will happen again. To purify the earth of all the contamination man has done to it. This will be the beginning of the eternal ages, where God and His man will be together again, just as in the garden. But I am skipping through a bunch of stuff which happens in between. At any rate It is worth your attention.
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If you're right about Einstein, Pocket... then you will be seeing him someday unless you repent and become born of Him who came to save you.
How fitting that this is the week before Easter and JESUS died for you 2006 years ago on Good Friday... he had the sins of the world laid upon him, every offense, every pain, every emotion... he took that for YOU. All the proof in the world can't change that fact.
May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He make His face shine down upon you and give you Peace. Amen.
God bless the Lamb of God who taketh away the Sin of the World. Have Mercy on Pocket today.
How fitting that this is the week before Easter and JESUS died for you 2006 years ago on Good Friday... he had the sins of the world laid upon him, every offense, every pain, every emotion... he took that for YOU. All the proof in the world can't change that fact.
May the Lord bless you and keep you, may He make His face shine down upon you and give you Peace. Amen.
God bless the Lamb of God who taketh away the Sin of the World. Have Mercy on Pocket today.
[quote=Pocket,Apr 11 2006, 04:13 PM]
Anyone wanting an intellectual discussion.
Its clear none of you have the capacity for debate, nor knowledge of any of these issues (such as Evolution, or even what atheism/theism means, isotopes etcetera). So i give up, no point in writing topics when you guys are to afraid of joining.
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It is not a matter of ignorance of your issues, or of being afraid. The truth is that once one has the foundational reality of the spiritual elements of life, it is fruitless to debate one who has a totalitarian mindset. Like I said, "Tragic to who?" Certainly not those who believe. The tragedy is in the effect on your soul. Why should one who has been taken captive by God feel the need to apologize for it? The greater need rests upon and goes unrecognized by those who have decided to intellectualize away the obvious fact that the chicken and the egg were not independantly formed, but created. The only sponaneous event in history that created matter out of nothing occured when God created the heavens and the earth. Doggedly determined to rationalize?
Anyone wanting an intellectual discussion.
Its clear none of you have the capacity for debate, nor knowledge of any of these issues (such as Evolution, or even what atheism/theism means, isotopes etcetera). So i give up, no point in writing topics when you guys are to afraid of joining.
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It is not a matter of ignorance of your issues, or of being afraid. The truth is that once one has the foundational reality of the spiritual elements of life, it is fruitless to debate one who has a totalitarian mindset. Like I said, "Tragic to who?" Certainly not those who believe. The tragedy is in the effect on your soul. Why should one who has been taken captive by God feel the need to apologize for it? The greater need rests upon and goes unrecognized by those who have decided to intellectualize away the obvious fact that the chicken and the egg were not independantly formed, but created. The only sponaneous event in history that created matter out of nothing occured when God created the heavens and the earth. Doggedly determined to rationalize?
Maz, well said! Absolutely, it's fear that is stopping the process. We are firmly planted in our place because we know that we know that we know that HE LIVES. We celebrate Easter all year because we know this in our hearts. Pocket, I think the discussion is over. Take the challenge, be not afraid. Let God show you what He can do for you. But He'll never do it without an attitude of gratitude. Humility is going to be hard to find in you. Maybe some lessons??
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Einstein was actually Athiest. The comments he made on God was in the same way somoene would mention the Easter Bunny.
p.s Who said i even believe in "The Big Bang".?
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On the subject of Einstein and God Friedrich Dürrenmatt once said, "Einstein used to speak of God so often that I almost looked upon him as a disguised theologian." 2 I do not believe these references to God can be dismissed simply as a façon de parler, for God had a deep, if rather elusive, significance for Einstein which was not unimportant for his life and scientific activity. It indicated a deep-seated way of life and thought: "God" was not a theological mode of thought but rather the expression of a "lived faith" (eines gelebten Glaubens).
sorry pocket wrong very wrong about Einstein do some DD. He believed the geatest scientific mind of our time. so roll them bones!
Einstein was actually Athiest. The comments he made on God was in the same way somoene would mention the Easter Bunny.
p.s Who said i even believe in "The Big Bang".?
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On the subject of Einstein and God Friedrich Dürrenmatt once said, "Einstein used to speak of God so often that I almost looked upon him as a disguised theologian." 2 I do not believe these references to God can be dismissed simply as a façon de parler, for God had a deep, if rather elusive, significance for Einstein which was not unimportant for his life and scientific activity. It indicated a deep-seated way of life and thought: "God" was not a theological mode of thought but rather the expression of a "lived faith" (eines gelebten Glaubens).
sorry pocket wrong very wrong about Einstein do some DD. He believed the geatest scientific mind of our time. so roll them bones!
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Maz, well said! Absolutely, it's fear that is stopping the process. We are firmly planted in our place because we know that we know that we know that HE LIVES. We celebrate Easter all year because we know this in our hearts. Pocket, I think the discussion is over. Take the challenge, be not afraid. Let God show you what He can do for you. But He'll never do it without an attitude of gratitude. Humility is going to be hard to find in you. Maybe some lessons??
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Maz, very well said indeed!
Rose, yes we know that we know that we know.
We know He died for us, and He rose again. He is
alive. This we know, that we know, that we know.
We know we love Him and He loves us!
Rose I loved your post,for that post lives in your heart. AMEN!
Pocket please consider the cross,
It is all about Him. We can try and convince you until the cows come home.
You have to let God in your heart.
He is waiting for you to call on Him.
He is knocking at your door.
Please let Him in.
You will never be the same.
I am not saying it will be a bed of roses always, but He will be
your comfort and strength in everything. He is my all and all.
Jesus understands our fears and struggles to persevere.
He had similiar emotions the night he was arrested.
"My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death" (Matthew 26:38)
As he realized the enormity of the pain he would face-the pain he faced for
all of us.
He wondered if there was some other way. He struggled and prayed the
same basic prayer three times, "My Fahter! If it is possible,let this cup of suffering be taken away from me.Yet I want your will, not mine"
(Matthew 26:39) As we can see from the end of his prayer, however,
Jesus found the grace to accept God's plan.
There was no other way and he did what His father said.
Jesus did what He knew must be done.
Pocket you have to believe in Jesus to have a place in heaven.
You will live for eternity with Him and all believers.
God's will be done.
Some will come to know Him and others will turn away.
I pray you choose to follow Him, before it is too late.
We are only promised today.
He may come tonight to gather His children.
Consider what He did for us Pocket. We may be overwhelmed
as we consider the cross we will have to bear on the way to
a new life. But during such times of struggle, we can go to Jesus for encouragement and express our deepest emotions .
We can cry out for help, we can be confident that we will be given
the strength we need to do God's will rather than our own.
Nothing in this life works doing it on our own.
You might think your life is going great, but something is missing
If you don't have the Lord, you are missing everything.
In this life and the next.
I am praying for you pocket.
Come to Jesus
Maz, well said! Absolutely, it's fear that is stopping the process. We are firmly planted in our place because we know that we know that we know that HE LIVES. We celebrate Easter all year because we know this in our hearts. Pocket, I think the discussion is over. Take the challenge, be not afraid. Let God show you what He can do for you. But He'll never do it without an attitude of gratitude. Humility is going to be hard to find in you. Maybe some lessons??
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Maz, very well said indeed!
Rose, yes we know that we know that we know.
We know He died for us, and He rose again. He is
alive. This we know, that we know, that we know.
We know we love Him and He loves us!
Rose I loved your post,for that post lives in your heart. AMEN!
Pocket please consider the cross,
It is all about Him. We can try and convince you until the cows come home.
You have to let God in your heart.
He is waiting for you to call on Him.
He is knocking at your door.
Please let Him in.
You will never be the same.
I am not saying it will be a bed of roses always, but He will be
your comfort and strength in everything. He is my all and all.
Jesus understands our fears and struggles to persevere.
He had similiar emotions the night he was arrested.
"My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death" (Matthew 26:38)
As he realized the enormity of the pain he would face-the pain he faced for
all of us.
He wondered if there was some other way. He struggled and prayed the
same basic prayer three times, "My Fahter! If it is possible,let this cup of suffering be taken away from me.Yet I want your will, not mine"
(Matthew 26:39) As we can see from the end of his prayer, however,
Jesus found the grace to accept God's plan.
There was no other way and he did what His father said.
Jesus did what He knew must be done.
Pocket you have to believe in Jesus to have a place in heaven.
You will live for eternity with Him and all believers.
God's will be done.
Some will come to know Him and others will turn away.
I pray you choose to follow Him, before it is too late.
We are only promised today.
He may come tonight to gather His children.
Consider what He did for us Pocket. We may be overwhelmed
as we consider the cross we will have to bear on the way to
a new life. But during such times of struggle, we can go to Jesus for encouragement and express our deepest emotions .
We can cry out for help, we can be confident that we will be given
the strength we need to do God's will rather than our own.
Nothing in this life works doing it on our own.
You might think your life is going great, but something is missing
If you don't have the Lord, you are missing everything.
In this life and the next.
I am praying for you pocket.
Come to Jesus
Rosie, thanks... Jesus is my EVERYTHING. Does it show? ;-)
Great post yourself. If Pocket comes away with anything from this forum, it will be LOVE.
Great post yourself. If Pocket comes away with anything from this forum, it will be LOVE.
Pocket, poke around here
http://www.icr.org/
http://www.icr.org/
Pine Tree Crosses
Filed under: Prayer — Dean at 9:53 pm on Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Last April on a Sunday we took one of our “nowhere” drives, my husband was quietly driving a back road. I was occupied in the front passenger seat watching the scenery.
I noticed out of the corner of my eye that my husband was straining to look out my window. This startled me, since his eyes should be on the road in front of him. I asked him what he was looking at out the windows, and he quietly replied, “Nothing.” His eyes went back to the road in front of him.
After a few minutes, I looked over at my husband and noticed a tear running down his cheek. I asked him what was wrong. This time he told me, “I was just thinking about Pop and a story he had once told me.” Of course, because it had to do with his Pop I wanted to know the story, so I asked him to share it with me.
He said, “When I was about 8 years old, Pop and I were out fishing and that’s when he told me that the Pine trees know when it is Easter.”
I had no idea what he meant by that, so I pressed him for more information.
He continued on… “The Pine trees start their new growth in the weeks before Easter — if you look at the tops of the Pine trees two weeks before, you will see the yellow shoots. As the days get closer to Easter Sunday, the tallest shoot will branch off and form a cross. By the time Easter Sunday comes around, you will see that most of the Pine trees will have small yellow crosses on all of the tallest shoots.”
I turned to look out the window and I couldn’t believe my eyes. It was a week before Easter, and you could see all of the trees with the tall yellow shoots stretching to Heaven.
The tallest ones shone in the sunlight like rows of tiny golden crosses.
Go here for picture. http://www.got-prayer.com/2006/03/29/pine-tree-crosses/
Filed under: Prayer — Dean at 9:53 pm on Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Last April on a Sunday we took one of our “nowhere” drives, my husband was quietly driving a back road. I was occupied in the front passenger seat watching the scenery.
I noticed out of the corner of my eye that my husband was straining to look out my window. This startled me, since his eyes should be on the road in front of him. I asked him what he was looking at out the windows, and he quietly replied, “Nothing.” His eyes went back to the road in front of him.
After a few minutes, I looked over at my husband and noticed a tear running down his cheek. I asked him what was wrong. This time he told me, “I was just thinking about Pop and a story he had once told me.” Of course, because it had to do with his Pop I wanted to know the story, so I asked him to share it with me.
He said, “When I was about 8 years old, Pop and I were out fishing and that’s when he told me that the Pine trees know when it is Easter.”
I had no idea what he meant by that, so I pressed him for more information.
He continued on… “The Pine trees start their new growth in the weeks before Easter — if you look at the tops of the Pine trees two weeks before, you will see the yellow shoots. As the days get closer to Easter Sunday, the tallest shoot will branch off and form a cross. By the time Easter Sunday comes around, you will see that most of the Pine trees will have small yellow crosses on all of the tallest shoots.”
I turned to look out the window and I couldn’t believe my eyes. It was a week before Easter, and you could see all of the trees with the tall yellow shoots stretching to Heaven.
The tallest ones shone in the sunlight like rows of tiny golden crosses.
Go here for picture. http://www.got-prayer.com/2006/03/29/pine-tree-crosses/
It's begining to happen in my yard right now.
There is lot's of neat evidence out there that isn't all complicated. Just watch around...
There is lot's of neat evidence out there that isn't all complicated. Just watch around...
Wow Miki.. That was great!
You know, I've seen that on pine trees for so many years and never put the two together. I think I'll tell that story to my children. Thanks!
Love,
Lisa
You know, I've seen that on pine trees for so many years and never put the two together. I think I'll tell that story to my children. Thanks!
Love,
Lisa
You bet! 
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Pine Tree Crosses
Filed under: Prayer — Dean at 9:53 pm on Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Last April on a Sunday we took one of our “nowhere” drives, my husband was quietly driving a back road. I was occupied in the front passenger seat watching the scenery.
I noticed out of the corner of my eye that my husband was straining to look out my window. This startled me, since his eyes should be on the road in front of him. I asked him what he was looking at out the windows, and he quietly replied, “Nothing.” His eyes went back to the road in front of him.
After a few minutes, I looked over at my husband and noticed a tear running down his cheek. I asked him what was wrong. This time he told me, “I was just thinking about Pop and a story he had once told me.” Of course, because it had to do with his Pop I wanted to know the story, so I asked him to share it with me.
He said, “When I was about 8 years old, Pop and I were out fishing and that’s when he told me that the Pine trees know when it is Easter.”
I had no idea what he meant by that, so I pressed him for more information.
He continued on… “The Pine trees start their new growth in the weeks before Easter — if you look at the tops of the Pine trees two weeks before, you will see the yellow shoots. As the days get closer to Easter Sunday, the tallest shoot will branch off and form a cross. By the time Easter Sunday comes around, you will see that most of the Pine trees will have small yellow crosses on all of the tallest shoots.”
I turned to look out the window and I couldn’t believe my eyes. It was a week before Easter, and you could see all of the trees with the tall yellow shoots stretching to Heaven.
The tallest ones shone in the sunlight like rows of tiny golden crosses.
Go here for picture. http://www.got-prayer.com/2006/03/29/pine-tree-crosses/
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Absolutely beautiful. The scripture I think of is....
Psalms 96:12 Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice.
Pine Tree Crosses
Filed under: Prayer — Dean at 9:53 pm on Wednesday, March 29, 2006
Last April on a Sunday we took one of our “nowhere” drives, my husband was quietly driving a back road. I was occupied in the front passenger seat watching the scenery.
I noticed out of the corner of my eye that my husband was straining to look out my window. This startled me, since his eyes should be on the road in front of him. I asked him what he was looking at out the windows, and he quietly replied, “Nothing.” His eyes went back to the road in front of him.
After a few minutes, I looked over at my husband and noticed a tear running down his cheek. I asked him what was wrong. This time he told me, “I was just thinking about Pop and a story he had once told me.” Of course, because it had to do with his Pop I wanted to know the story, so I asked him to share it with me.
He said, “When I was about 8 years old, Pop and I were out fishing and that’s when he told me that the Pine trees know when it is Easter.”
I had no idea what he meant by that, so I pressed him for more information.
He continued on… “The Pine trees start their new growth in the weeks before Easter — if you look at the tops of the Pine trees two weeks before, you will see the yellow shoots. As the days get closer to Easter Sunday, the tallest shoot will branch off and form a cross. By the time Easter Sunday comes around, you will see that most of the Pine trees will have small yellow crosses on all of the tallest shoots.”
I turned to look out the window and I couldn’t believe my eyes. It was a week before Easter, and you could see all of the trees with the tall yellow shoots stretching to Heaven.
The tallest ones shone in the sunlight like rows of tiny golden crosses.
Go here for picture. http://www.got-prayer.com/2006/03/29/pine-tree-crosses/
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Absolutely beautiful. The scripture I think of is....
Psalms 96:12 Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice.
Miki, thank you so much for sharing that.
Oh how awesome.
Tomorrow I am going to look at my pine trees. I can't wait.
Oh how this will be great to share with everyone.
Thank you
Oh how awesome.
Tomorrow I am going to look at my pine trees. I can't wait.
Oh how this will be great to share with everyone.
Thank you
Hey Pocket
God already has you, owns you and has set the path to where you are going. What proof do you need? That He created a mature earth with the coal already pressed into diamonds? How old is Darwin’s jargon? Do you think that it will last as long and affect as many billions upon billions upon billions of people threw time as the Gospel of Christ has? I did a survey of one hundred strangers a while back. I asked them two questions 1. Who is Hippocrates? 2. Who is Jesus? Three people came close to answering the first question or at least tried but everyone had an answer for question 2 even if most replies were a little twisted. God has not let His Son be forgotten. The gospel is so powerful that the United States was even founded in the beginning on its principals. Sitting in a lavish place with no need for a God and no need for anything is temporal. There is an end planned. Because God has hidden His face for 1931 years doesn’t mean He died. If He was dead you wouldn’t be here because in Him we live and move and have our being. Isn’t it just fantastic that you were born in the time frame to experience the end of the world? You get to see the proof just in time to realize the mistake you made before you perish. When you see the impossible happen by any scientists understanding the weather disappear over the face of the entire earth. Yep that’s right a totally empty satellite picture of the entire globe. Then you get to see the oceans and seas turned to blood. No not red tide “the blood of a dead man” Coagulating hardening and rotting and “O” the stench. How will the arrogance of man fare when God takes the supply and support away from them? Atheists don’t believe in luck either do they? Well then I don’t know what else to say.
Charlie
God already has you, owns you and has set the path to where you are going. What proof do you need? That He created a mature earth with the coal already pressed into diamonds? How old is Darwin’s jargon? Do you think that it will last as long and affect as many billions upon billions upon billions of people threw time as the Gospel of Christ has? I did a survey of one hundred strangers a while back. I asked them two questions 1. Who is Hippocrates? 2. Who is Jesus? Three people came close to answering the first question or at least tried but everyone had an answer for question 2 even if most replies were a little twisted. God has not let His Son be forgotten. The gospel is so powerful that the United States was even founded in the beginning on its principals. Sitting in a lavish place with no need for a God and no need for anything is temporal. There is an end planned. Because God has hidden His face for 1931 years doesn’t mean He died. If He was dead you wouldn’t be here because in Him we live and move and have our being. Isn’t it just fantastic that you were born in the time frame to experience the end of the world? You get to see the proof just in time to realize the mistake you made before you perish. When you see the impossible happen by any scientists understanding the weather disappear over the face of the entire earth. Yep that’s right a totally empty satellite picture of the entire globe. Then you get to see the oceans and seas turned to blood. No not red tide “the blood of a dead man” Coagulating hardening and rotting and “O” the stench. How will the arrogance of man fare when God takes the supply and support away from them? Atheists don’t believe in luck either do they? Well then I don’t know what else to say.
Charlie
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Hey Pocket
God already has you, owns you and has set the path to where you are going. What proof do you need? That He created a mature earth with the coal already pressed into diamonds? How old is Darwin’s jargon? Do you think that it will last as long and affect as many billions upon billions upon billions of people threw time as the Gospel of Christ has? I did a survey of one hundred strangers a while back. I asked them two questions 1. Who is Hippocrates? 2. Who is Jesus? Three people came close to answering the first question or at least tried but everyone had an answer for question 2 even if most replies were a little twisted. God has not let His Son be forgotten. The gospel is so powerful that the United States was even founded in the beginning on its principals. Sitting in a lavish place with no need for a God and no need for anything is temporal. There is an end planned. Because God has hidden His face for 1931 years doesn’t mean He died. If He was dead you wouldn’t be here because in Him we live and move and have our being. Isn’t it just fantastic that you were born in the time frame to experience the end of the world? You get to see the proof just in time to realize the mistake you made before you perish. When you see the impossible happen by any scientists understanding the weather disappear over the face of the entire earth. Yep that’s right a totally empty satellite picture of the entire globe. Then you get to see the oceans and seas turned to blood. No not red tide “the blood of a dead man” Coagulating hardening and rotting and “O” the stench. How will the arrogance of man fare when God takes the supply and support away from them? Atheists don’t believe in luck either do they? Well then I don’t know what else to say.
Charlie
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"God already has you, owns you and has set the path to where you are going. "
Indeed, we are all placed on the potters wheel whether we like it or not or whether we believe it or not.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. Isa 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. Isa 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! [Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? Isa 45:10 Woe unto him that saith unto [his] father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? Isa 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. Isa 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Hey Pocket
God already has you, owns you and has set the path to where you are going. What proof do you need? That He created a mature earth with the coal already pressed into diamonds? How old is Darwin’s jargon? Do you think that it will last as long and affect as many billions upon billions upon billions of people threw time as the Gospel of Christ has? I did a survey of one hundred strangers a while back. I asked them two questions 1. Who is Hippocrates? 2. Who is Jesus? Three people came close to answering the first question or at least tried but everyone had an answer for question 2 even if most replies were a little twisted. God has not let His Son be forgotten. The gospel is so powerful that the United States was even founded in the beginning on its principals. Sitting in a lavish place with no need for a God and no need for anything is temporal. There is an end planned. Because God has hidden His face for 1931 years doesn’t mean He died. If He was dead you wouldn’t be here because in Him we live and move and have our being. Isn’t it just fantastic that you were born in the time frame to experience the end of the world? You get to see the proof just in time to realize the mistake you made before you perish. When you see the impossible happen by any scientists understanding the weather disappear over the face of the entire earth. Yep that’s right a totally empty satellite picture of the entire globe. Then you get to see the oceans and seas turned to blood. No not red tide “the blood of a dead man” Coagulating hardening and rotting and “O” the stench. How will the arrogance of man fare when God takes the supply and support away from them? Atheists don’t believe in luck either do they? Well then I don’t know what else to say.
Charlie
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"God already has you, owns you and has set the path to where you are going. "
Indeed, we are all placed on the potters wheel whether we like it or not or whether we believe it or not.
Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things]. Isa 45:8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. Isa 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! [Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? Isa 45:10 Woe unto him that saith unto [his] father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? Isa 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. Isa 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, [even] my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. Isa 45:13 I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.
Not me, i control my own destiny, sorry. Call me a rebel (thats what rebel means btw).
If you cant handle that I am not in the shackles as you are, lifes hard, im free, your not. You made your choice.
If you cant handle that I am not in the shackles as you are, lifes hard, im free, your not. You made your choice.
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