The baptism with the Holy Spirit and the baptism by fire are two different baptisms as mentioned by John the Baptist. .
Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 3
16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
These scriptures speak of a separating and two different baptisms. The wheat brought into the barn is baptized with the Holy Spirit and the Chaff is baptized with fire. The baptism by fire is the one you want to avoid.
Charlie
Full Version: Two Baptisms According To John
Adding Johns water babtism then you have three babtisms.
Charlie
Charlie
QUOTE(charlie @ Apr 10 2006, 12:41 PM)
The baptism with the Holy Spirit and the baptism by fire are two different baptisms as mentioned by John the Baptist. .
Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 3
16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
These scriptures speak of a separating and two different baptisms. The wheat brought into the barn is baptized with the Holy Spirit and the Chaff is baptized with fire. The baptism by fire is the one you want to avoid.
Charlie
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Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 3
16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
These scriptures speak of a separating and two different baptisms. The wheat brought into the barn is baptized with the Holy Spirit and the Chaff is baptized with fire. The baptism by fire is the one you want to avoid.
Charlie
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Matthew 3
>>>11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.<<<
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
That word said he will baptize us with fire, not destroy us with unquenchable fire. That is for the chaff. He did say he will gather the wheat into the barn also.
Why do we need to go around making people feel like they can't make it?
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
As for me and my house we will be the encouragers we are called to be.
1Sa 30:6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his God.
QUOTE(Maz @ Apr 10 2006, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE(charlie @ Apr 10 2006, 12:41 PM)
The baptism with the Holy Spirit and the baptism by fire are two different baptisms as mentioned by John the Baptist. .
Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 3
16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
These scriptures speak of a separating and two different baptisms. The wheat brought into the barn is baptized with the Holy Spirit and the Chaff is baptized with fire. The baptism by fire is the one you want to avoid.
Charlie
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Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 3
16 John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire."
These scriptures speak of a separating and two different baptisms. The wheat brought into the barn is baptized with the Holy Spirit and the Chaff is baptized with fire. The baptism by fire is the one you want to avoid.
Charlie
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Matthew 3
>>>11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.<<<
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
That word said he will baptize us with fire, not destroy us with unquenchable fire. That is for the chaff. He did say he will gather the wheat into the barn also.
Why do we need to go around making people feel like they can't make it?
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
As for me and my house we will be the encouragers we are called to be.
1Sa 30:6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his God.
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Without the faith that makes a little flour and oil last for three and a half years and without the faith that turns two loaves into five thousand loaves, You will not be able to make it, without the Help of a true shepherd Maz. I encourage you to come out from among them and be separate to push yourself away from the beasts (nations) table and allow the Lord alone to take care of you so that in the day of trouble you will have something to offer the Lord’s sheep. It is as simple as believing two scriptures with an explanation or the same scripture that doesn’t include the explanation. Just because the explanation is missing from one account it does not void the explanation that accompanies the other two. The cloven tongues of fire were a result of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, not a baptism by fire.
Charlie
Just my 2 cents worth:
Here is how l understand it.
1.) Water baptism we all know.
2.) I believe there is the infilling of the Holy Spirit when we are justified (saved) It's irrevocable (l believe) This begins the cleaning of the inside of the cup. Which is the good work done in us that he is faithful to complete. It's called the sanctification process.
3.) Then there is the baptism OF the Holy Spirit which l call the anointing...to do a specific work. I believe this comes (and this is sort of guessing) when the inside of the cup is cleaned...kind of at the end of the sanctification process. Now the outside of the cup .... new clean spotless robe. A baptism anointing...
Then there's a chaff fire...where all the works of the flesh are burned up. If the barks not peeled off and the wood in the shed then l guess it means you get burned in the field with the rest of the bark. But it doesn't mean you aren't saved. Because you still have that irrevocable infilling you received at justification. You just didn't get your robes white in time.
but what do l know.
Here is how l understand it.
1.) Water baptism we all know.
2.) I believe there is the infilling of the Holy Spirit when we are justified (saved) It's irrevocable (l believe) This begins the cleaning of the inside of the cup. Which is the good work done in us that he is faithful to complete. It's called the sanctification process.
3.) Then there is the baptism OF the Holy Spirit which l call the anointing...to do a specific work. I believe this comes (and this is sort of guessing) when the inside of the cup is cleaned...kind of at the end of the sanctification process. Now the outside of the cup .... new clean spotless robe. A baptism anointing...
Then there's a chaff fire...where all the works of the flesh are burned up. If the barks not peeled off and the wood in the shed then l guess it means you get burned in the field with the rest of the bark. But it doesn't mean you aren't saved. Because you still have that irrevocable infilling you received at justification. You just didn't get your robes white in time.
but what do l know.
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