My friend says God contradicts Himself when He killed all "infidels" in Noahs time and then after says He loves all? need help

I have an answer. I have a willow tree that I love, it got very diseased and the only way to save it was to cut it down to the stump. It grew back healthy and beautiful.

Were they infidels? I say they were sinners who were caught up in the willingness of a sinful nature, a willingness that persisted even though Noah, a preacher of righteousness, preached to them for a hundred years at least...

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Infedels? hmmm.

You see, angels (guess which ones) starting mating with humans so we were getting this off breed of people. That off breed were not the nicest peeps around. God got rid of them.

Read the word closer:
Genesis 6
1 When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years." 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.


hope that helped.

The book of Genesis in chapter 6 discusses what type of people these had become, and they were by no means normal people!

Genesis 6:5

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

They were giants and they were a people who were sired by the sons of God.

Now there are few accounts that talk of legendary folks of those day. Noteably is something I came across on the Internet called the Book of Enoch and the Book of Giants that was found with the infamous dead sea scrolls. It's very facinating as it talks about a time when Enoch walked amongst giants who had become a terrible oppression to man, teaching them evil ways.

Here's even a translation account snagged from a web site

The giants begin to be troubled by a series of dreams and visions. Mahway, the titan son of the angel Barakel, reports the first of these dreams to his fellow giants. He sees a tablet being immersed in water. When it emerges, all but three names have been washed away. The dream evidently symbolizes the destruction of all but Noah and his sons by the Flood.
2Q26 [ . . . ] they drenched the tablet in the wa[ter . . . ] 2[ . . . ] the waters went up over the [tablet . . . ] 3[ . . . ] they lifted out the tablet from the water of [ . . . ]
The giant goes to the others and they discuss the dream.
4Q530 Frag.7 [ . . . this vision] is for cursing and sorrow. I am the one who confessed 2[ . . . ] the whole group of the castaways that I shall go to [ . . . ] 3[ . . . the spirits of the sl]ain complaining about their killers and crying out 4[ . . . ] that we shall die together and be made an end of [ . . . ] much and I will be sleeping, and bread 6[ . . . ] for my dwelling; the vision and also [ . . . ] entered into the gathering of the giants 8[ . . . ]
6Q8 [ . . . ] Ohya and he said to Mahway [ . . . ] 2[ . . . ] without trembling. Who showed you all this vision, [my] brother? 3[ . . . ] Barakel, my father, was with me. 4[ . . . ] Before Mahway had finished telling what [he had seen . . . ] 5[ . . . said] to him, Now I have heard wonders! If a barren woman gives birth [ . . . ]
4Q530 Frag. 4 3[There]upon Ohya said to Ha[hya . . . ] 4[ . . . to be destroyed] from upon the earth and [ . . . ] 5[ . . . the ea]rth. When 6[ . . . ] they wept before [the giants . . . ]
4Q530 Frag. 7 3[ . . . ] your strength [ . . . ] 4[ . . . ] 5Thereupon Ohya [said] to Hahya [ . . . ] Then he answered, It is not for 6us, but for Azaiel, for he did [ . . . the children of] angels 7are the giants, and they would not let all their poved ones] be neglected [. . . we have] not been cast down; you have strength [ . . . ]
The giants realize the futility of fighting against the forces of heaven. The first speaker may be Gilgamesh.
4Q531 Frag. 1 3[ . . . I am a] giant, and by the mighty strength of my arm and my own great strength 4[ . . . any]one mortal, and I have made war against them; but I am not [ . . . ] able to stand against them, for my opponents 6[ . . . ] reside in [Heav]en, and they dwell in the holy places. And not 7[ . . . they] are stronger than I. 8[ . . . ] of the wild beast has come, and the wild man they call [me].
9[ . . . ] Then Ohya said to him, I have been forced to have a dream [ . . . ] the sleep of my eyes [vanished], to let me see a vision. Now I know that on [ . . . ] 11-12[ . . . ] Gilgamesh [ . . . ]
Ohya's dream vision is of a tree that is uprooted except for three of its roots; the vision's import is the same as that of the first dream.
6Q8 Frag. 2 1three of its roots [ . . . ] [while] I was [watching,] there came [ . . . they moved the roots into] 3this garden, all of them, and not [ . . . ]
Ohya tries to avoid the implications of the visions. Above he stated that it referred only to the demon Azazel; here he suggests that the destruction isfor the earthly rulers alone.
4Q530 Col. 2 1concerns the death of our souls [ . . . ] and all his comrades, [and Oh]ya told them what Gilgamesh said to him 2[ . . . ] and it was said [ . . . ] "concerning [ . . . ] the leader has cursed the potentates" 3and the giants were glad at his words. Then he turned and left [ . . . ]
More dreams afflict the giants. The details of this vision are obscure, but it bodes ill for the giants. The dreamers speak first to the monsters, then to the giants.
Thereupon two of them had dreams 4and the sleep of their eye, fled from them, and they arose and came to [ . . . and told] their dreams, and said in the assembly of [their comrades] the monsters 6[ . . . In] my dream I was watching this very night 7[and there was a garden . . . ] gardeners and they were watering 8[ . . . two hundred trees and] large shoots came out of their root 9[ . . . ] all the water, and the fire burned all 10[the garden . . . ] They found the giants to tell them 11[the dream . . . ]
Someone suggests that Enoch be found to interpret the vision."

Here's the link where I found the above (Book of Giants)

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/humm/Resources/Texts/dss.html

These beings were like "super human" type people; it's no wonder then that the Lord saw that flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth (Genesis 6:11)

It's also interesting to note if the flood came during Enoch's time, well I guess the Lord would have had to taken him up to heaven if the Lord wanted to spare Enoch. I don't know. Such a weird and mysterious thing....

We are reminded of the consequences to be faced by those who reject God's plan
and lead others away from the truth. God has provided us with the help we need
to renew our lives according to His will.

The consequences of a self-centered pursuit of pleasure and power are
terrible. It is good to be reminded every so often of what we have
been delivered from "a swift and terrible end."

The danger of False teachers in 2Peter 2
tells me again, that I should not fret, for our Lord will deal with them.
God will not let them go unpunished.

So with all these false teachings coming at us left and right-well we know
the truth. We read His Holy Book and will stay safe if we continue to follow Him.

Sorry I went off topic. I have been thinking too much about all the
deceivers that having been coming out lately and then Maz shows me
2Peter and God speaks volumes to me tonight.

I love how our God works and how He works through people.

God bless you all

Hi everyone, probably going off topic, but please read
2 Peter chapter 1
great message for never falling away from our Lord.

Also I Peter 3:18-4:6!

The contradiction is in your friend's understanding not in God. God loved the infidels enough to send Noah a preacher of righteousness to try and save them but they wouldn't listen and they hated the messenger and treated him spitefully. Then God sent His son as a humble man and they still didn't listen, they treated Him Spitefully and killed Him. Then His Son will send two others and they still won't listen but will hate His messengers and kill them. But the destruction of those who will not listen has and will always be the same. One group by water one Group by a foreign army another by a plane crash another in an automobile accident and the final Lot by fire. It pays to listen when the Lord speaks.


Charlie

Where is the scripture that says God loves all. The old chestnut "God loves the sinner but hates the sin" is not in the scripture nor is the concept anywhere expressed in the scripture. In a general sense God loves mankind which is expressed in John 3:16 but the Bible clearly states that wicked individuals are hated by God.

Here is a scripture.
Psalm 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

It is true that God continues loving evildoers long after they start sinning, sending them rain in due season and the sun to shine on them. He is patient, merciful, not easily provoked, quick to forgive. However nor is he mocked. Eventually the sin of the people comes to fruition and they become utterly wicked, reprobate, hardened in sin awaiting the day of judgement.

As it was in the days of Noah they become so evil that ever imagination of their heart is evil continually. They become continually violent and hateful, swift to shed the blood of their neighbour by tongue or by sword. In the last day God's anger is complete he rises up in righteous indignation. He burns with hatred against every man that is evil and does wickedly. He does not spare the wicked. His punishment is swift and uncompromising as it was in the days of the flood.

For one hundred years it is supposed the Noah warned the people of God's intention. For one hundred years they had the opportunity to repent and join Noah. But no, they were hardened in their wickedness. God's punishment when it came was swift and fierce and swept the wicked away in an instant.

Let none of us think that God is too "loving" to do such a thing again.
As it says
Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Amen!
so true, so true.

thanks for the message, for this is in the bible.
God bless you,
love,
rosie
who again is wide awake and is overflooding the forum,
but I love Him so much and want to shout it to the world!

This is my five shillings werth

the great pyramid at Geza has 4 fondation corners and the same again on each layer so what one is Cheif

Out of those stones God can cause children to come to Abraham.
You rebels, must I fetch you water from this rock?

Gary, the top is the 'head of the corner.'

The flood covered the whole earth. The earth began to 'wobble.' There were earthquakes and the bottomless pit opened and lava came out and finally made some land. Noah and the eight people with him had the DNA from our first parent and started multiplying upon the earth. In that way, the 'infidels' came right back.

I understood "infidels" as those not being submissive to Allah. Am I wrong?

Anyway, God is love. He is goodness. He does love all. People, by sinning, become (make themselves) incompatible with God. They destroy themselves due to not repenting.

Tell your friend that the Lord is all knowing and because of this He can evaluate any human's ultimate response to His calling in advance. He then makes decisions based upon his foreknowledge. He created humans and He can destroy them. He has in the past and will in the future.

God is life and love...based upon His principles that hold together
the whole universe...and the particles of an atom...

The antithesis of God's divine nature and plan and purpose is
the lie, which is a perverseness to God's nature...

God is not a man that He should lie, nor can He...for if He would or
could...the Universe would not exist...

His ultimate is for life...and broken principles in His creation by our
choices bring in justice to those broken principles which we call
judgement.

Turn a cup of water upside down and the water pours out and the
holder of the cup is unable to drink...so it is. We have been given
the gift of life...and to learn love from God's perspective...and live
accordingly.

God's nature of purity and holiness cannot exist together with
a lie...eventually the death of a lie will cause havoc and a remedy will
come forth to expose that lie...so it is happening now....however,
His patience endureth...and ours is but a short moment in the span
of time, yet He listens to us...when we yield to Him.

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How on earth do you get angels mating with men out of this part of Scripture? I'm not being sarcastic, I just really would like to know. Thank you.

Bob,

These beings were like "super human" type people; it's no wonder then that the Lord saw that flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth (Genesis 6:11)

The Sons of God corrupted themselves! The reason that the flesh corrupted God's way is because they were made slaves to the evil sons of God. Flesh had no choice but to do what the sons of God wanted. The daughters of men were taken and held captive and forced into union. That is where the lust came from.

You brought out a book that describes the giants, the sons of God, so you cannot stop with that one book. You have to bring in the rest of the story. You have to bring in the why they made the women and men slaves.

Yes, they were cast down into the physical; their memories of who they were was taken away. That is the justice of God.

They had a shadow of a memory; something was there to keep them going and striving. That is why God said, 'My Spirit will not strive with man forever for he is flesh.' The memories of the sons of God could not serve the flesh, so it was taken away.

The New Testament says, 'We see through a glass darkly, but we shall see face to face.'

Every soul on this earth that has the Spirit of God is a product of the sons of God.

Jesus Christ came to redeem the people who had the Spirit of God. Not all have the Spirit, but to those who have the Spirit, He gave the Life.

Now, those who have the DNA, the blood of the sons of God, are redeemed.

Thank you, Bob, for leading my thoughts into that!

The word 'infidels' is a word taken from the Qur'an. The people of the Qur'an do not have the Spirit of God; they only had a promise, they have no inheritance. The sons of God that were cast down were cast down and their inheritance was taken away. We are the sons of flesh and we have the inheritance of eternal life if we hold to the faith of Jesus Christ who was made flesh. The sons of God already had eternal life but they forfeited that by their disobedience. God will not destroy the earth again by flood of water, but by the flood of violence He will destroy those who are not redeemed.

That is a harsh thing to realize, but God is a harsh God, a jealous God, and He will not share His glory with anybody.

im not taking it as sarcasm now that you cleared it.
the term "the sons of God" means angels ("fallen" in this case).

if youre interested i can show you why it it HAS TO BE them.

I'll tell you in simple words but first i gotta ask if youre at least familiar with
the beginning of Genesis?


as for the noah story..
the easy answer is that "the world was violent so God had to clean the slate."
but this is so way back in the beginning of mankind that it's not as though there were hundreds of thousands of people on earth.
i even hear people say "people were prostituting and sword fighting and God was disappointed."
i would recommend people to study that section in Hebrew...it paints a vague picture which is good because it opens door to a other possibilities.

But if I was to give in to "God was disappointed"....that would bring the idea of man having knowledge to make weapons out of iron and some set government if armies are fighting over a certain cause with battles and killing.
I've always questioned things and when i started studying with a church here (they study in hebrew and greek) i questioned anything and everything because I WAS NOT HAPPY with the information i was raised with. finally i got answers and my studies increased 10 fold.
There is alot of information people accept and never question.
i'm not saying that I'm right but you have to listen and ask sometimes because if you hear a certain thing that is different than what you know and it "clicks" then you gotta let the Spirit do its thing.

Allah, I think, is the promise made to the tribes of Ishmael. They started calling everybody that was not part of the tribes of Ishmael and his sons, infidels. But later they softened a little and said that those that helped them were ok. But then they started getting sick and getting sores and colds and stuff because they were taught wrong and didn't have the right food. Again, they started blaming everybody and calling them infidels. They're still sick and they get sores every full moon and when the journey to Mecca, they forget why they went because they are so sick. Their water is drying up and they won't accept the help they need because their Qur'an tells them to kill all the infidels . . .

All of the mating done by any of the angels were destroyed with the flood. There was one man who found favor among the millions of men and he was Noah. But Noah was also a product of the mating that was going on. The flesh that was created before the flood created Noah also. From the point of the emergence of Noah and his family from the ark, God left man to do what he was going to do.

READ GENESIS 8:21!

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever!

Question: "Why did God love Jacob and hate Esau (Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13)?"
God does not contradict Himself man twist the scriptures, Sin seperates us from God