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6 Based Alpha Numeric Language Code

A secret Code exists in a language of man (English). Using the Code, you can convert words in English to an alpha-numeric value. Comparing words of like value reveals interesting relationships that have religious meaning.

The Code was hinted at by John in the book of Revelation in the Bible- Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.

There could not have been any human intelligence that influenced these results because of the long time frame and the myriad of influences on the development of the English language.

It is God's secret code to spiritual truth.

The Code is in the form of a progression and is a multiple of 6.
Each line is added to give a letter a value.

A= 6/ 6
B=12/ 66
C=18/ 666
D=24/ 6666
E=30/ 66666
F=36/ 666666
G=42/ 6666666
H=48/ 66666666
I=54/ 666666666
J=60/ 6666666666
K=66/ 66666666666
L=72/ 666666666666
M=78/ 6666666666666
N=84/ 66666666666666
O=90/ 666666666666666
P=96/ 6666666666666666
Q=102/ 66666666666666666
R=108/ 666666666666666666
S=114/ 6666666666666666666
T=120/ 66666666666666666666
U=126/ 666666666666666666666
V=132/ 6666666666666666666666
W=138/ 66666666666666666666666
X=144/ 666666666666666666666666
Y=150/ 6666666666666666666666666
Z=156/ 66666666666666666666666666

The Number of Man

Throughout Jewish history man has been associated with the number 6, from the creation of man on the 6th day to the 6 pointed Star of David on Israel's flag. If we were to give the value of 6 to the letter A and add six to each letter in a progression, we would develop a code that can convert any English word into a value. If we compare words with similar values- an amazing relationship takes place.

Examples:
HELL=222, HADES=222
ISRAEL=384, ZION=384
JESUS CHRIST=906, HOLY SPIRIT=906
SATAN=330, BURN=330, JUDAS=330
EARTH=312, SALT=312

But sometimes there are groups of two or more words that are linked by their similar values and the chance that these links exist are astounding.

A to Z Alpha to Omega. Man is associated with the number 6 and the word God adds to 156 or our last letter of the alphabet Z. Jesus said I am the Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End- Man and God.

Observe these amazing links:

Jesus=444, Joshua=444, Y'Shua=444, Messiah=444, GodSon=444, Cross-444, JHVH God=444, Great I Am=444, Gospel=444, Beauty=444, Energy=444, Bible Faith=444, Bible Hope=444

Virgin=474, Mother=474

Mother Mary=816, Virgin Birth=816

Eternal=450, Lord God=450, Lamb of God=450, Suffer=450

Golgotha=450, Crucify=450, Violence=450

Church=366, Miracle=366

Holy Church=726, Poverty=726

Jesus Christ=906, Baby Poverty=906

Redeemer=438, Crown=438, Kingdom=438, Anoint=438, Children=438, Patience=438, Sacrifice=438, Paradise=438, Alleluia=438.

Christian=462, Repentance=462, Holiness=462.


One of the more interesting links is related to John's 666 prophecy.

Mark of Beast=666, Witchcraft=666, Holy Rome=666, New York=666, Kissinger=666, Computer=666, Santa Claus=666, America Church=666, Laodicea Church=666, Love City=666, Crucify God=666.


I have compiled a few interesting links (see samples in the index). I can't calculate the odds of these words and phrases matching, but it must be astronomical. The true revelation of this code will come when someone writes a program that can automatically calculate every word in the dictionary, and then group the words together according to their values. Is this the hidden language Code that will reveal all? Some say that English is the universal language of mankind. It is comprised of many words from different languages and is taught by nearly every country- if they want to progress. I can't say if the code works the same way in other languages- it would be truly amazing if it did. But I think there is something here to ponder and it will take wisdom to decode the messages hidden within our own words.

Index

King of Jews=714 High, Priest=714, Redeemer=714

Abraham=264, Faith=264, Kill=264

Jerusalem=624, Idolatry=624

Elijah=270, Enoch=270

Divine=372, Deity=372, Whole=372

Priesthood=774, Scripture=774

Believer=468, Repent=468

Billy Graham=648, Evangelism=648, Worship=648

Faith=264, Zeal=264

Spiritual=750, Fellowship=750

Anointed=575, Forgiven=576

Creator=480, Logos=480

God=156, Heal=156

Emmanuel=504, Savior=504

Prayer=498, Wisdom=498

Bethlehem=498, Shepard=498

Zealot=474, Murder=474

False Prophet=846, Tribulation=846

Wrath=420, Fury=420

Wife=258, Give=258

Marriage=432, School=432, World=432

Happy=396. Family=396

Child=144, Kid=144

Children=438, Patience=438, Sacrifice=438

Divorce=456, Vengeance=456

Body=276, Milk=276

Sun=324, Health=324

Chemical=324, Beware=324

Science=348, Barren=348

Mother=474, Nature=474

Heart=312, Pride=312

Birth=342, Moon=342

Abortion=564, Innocent=564

Disease=372, Plague=372, Medicine=372

Homosexual=798, Temptation=798

War=252, Gun=252

Gold=Fire=Death=Decay=Noah=Ocean=228

Babylon=426, Money=426

Sport=528, Egotism=528, Good Time=528

Hero=Win=276

Dollar=372, Enemy=372

Alpha Numeric=726, Revelation=726
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Orates 2006
shy1
Orates,
Where did the code come from?
Miki

So.....?

QUOTE(Orates @ Apr 7 2006, 01:36 PM)
6 Based Alpha Numeric Language Code

A secret Code exists in a language of man (English). Using the Code, you can convert words in English to an alpha-numeric value. Comparing words of like value reveals interesting relationships that have religious meaning.

The Code was hinted at by John in the book of Revelation in the Bible- Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.

There could not have been any human intelligence that influenced these results because of the long time frame and the myriad of influences on the development of the English language.

It is God's secret code to spiritual truth.

The Code is in the form of a progression and is a multiple of 6.
Each line is added to give a letter a value.

A= 6/                                              6             
B=12/                                          66             
C=18/                                          666           
D=24/                                          6666
E=30/                                        66666
F=36/                                        666666
G=42/                                      6666666
H=48/                                      66666666
I=54/                                      666666666
J=60/                                    6666666666
K=66/                                  66666666666
L=72/                                  666666666666
M=78/                                6666666666666
N=84/                              66666666666666
O=90/                              666666666666666
P=96/                              6666666666666666
Q=102/                          66666666666666666
R=108/                          666666666666666666
S=114/                        6666666666666666666
T=120/                        66666666666666666666
U=126/                      666666666666666666666
V=132/                      6666666666666666666666
W=138/                    66666666666666666666666
X=144/                    666666666666666666666666
Y=150/                    6666666666666666666666666
Z=156/                  66666666666666666666666666

The Number of Man

Throughout Jewish history man has been associated with the number 6, from the creation of man on the 6th day to the 6 pointed Star of David on Israel's flag. If we were to give the value of 6 to the letter A and add six to each letter in a progression, we would develop a code that can convert any English word into a value. If we compare words with similar values- an amazing relationship takes place.

Examples:
HELL=222, HADES=222
ISRAEL=384, ZION=384
JESUS CHRIST=906, HOLY SPIRIT=906
SATAN=330, BURN=330, JUDAS=330
EARTH=312, SALT=312

But sometimes there are groups of two or more words that are linked by their similar values and the chance that these links exist are astounding.

A to Z  Alpha to Omega. Man is associated with the number 6 and the word God adds to 156 or our last letter of the alphabet Z. Jesus said I am the Alpha and Omega the Beginning and the End- Man and God.

Observe these amazing links:

Jesus=444, Joshua=444, Y'Shua=444, Messiah=444, GodSon=444, Cross-444, JHVH God=444, Great I Am=444, Gospel=444, Beauty=444, Energy=444, Bible Faith=444, Bible Hope=444

Virgin=474, Mother=474

Mother Mary=816, Virgin Birth=816

Eternal=450, Lord God=450, Lamb of God=450, Suffer=450

Golgotha=450, Crucify=450, Violence=450

Church=366, Miracle=366

Holy Church=726, Poverty=726

Jesus Christ=906, Baby Poverty=906

Redeemer=438, Crown=438, Kingdom=438, Anoint=438, Children=438, Patience=438, Sacrifice=438, Paradise=438, Alleluia=438.

Christian=462, Repentance=462, Holiness=462.


One of the more interesting links is related to John's 666 prophecy.

Mark of Beast=666, Witchcraft=666, Holy Rome=666, New York=666, Kissinger=666, Computer=666, Santa Claus=666, America Church=666, Laodicea Church=666, Love City=666, Crucify God=666.


I have compiled  a few interesting links (see samples in the index). I can't calculate the odds of these words and phrases matching, but it must be astronomical. The true revelation of this code will come when someone writes a program that can automatically calculate every word in the dictionary, and then group the words together according to their values. Is this the hidden language Code that will reveal all? Some say that English is the universal language of mankind. It is comprised of many words from different languages and is taught by nearly every country- if they want to progress. I can't say if the code works the same way in other languages- it would be truly amazing if it did. But I think there is something here to ponder and it will take wisdom to decode the messages hidden within our own words.

Index

King of Jews=714 High, Priest=714, Redeemer=714

Abraham=264, Faith=264, Kill=264

Jerusalem=624, Idolatry=624

Elijah=270, Enoch=270

Divine=372, Deity=372, Whole=372

Priesthood=774, Scripture=774

Believer=468, Repent=468

Billy Graham=648, Evangelism=648, Worship=648

Faith=264, Zeal=264

Spiritual=750, Fellowship=750

Anointed=575, Forgiven=576

Creator=480, Logos=480

God=156, Heal=156

Emmanuel=504, Savior=504

Prayer=498, Wisdom=498

Bethlehem=498, Shepard=498

Zealot=474, Murder=474

False Prophet=846, Tribulation=846

Wrath=420, Fury=420

Wife=258, Give=258

Marriage=432, School=432, World=432

Happy=396. Family=396

Child=144, Kid=144

Children=438, Patience=438, Sacrifice=438

Divorce=456, Vengeance=456

Body=276, Milk=276

Sun=324, Health=324

Chemical=324, Beware=324

Science=348, Barren=348

Mother=474, Nature=474

Heart=312, Pride=312

Birth=342, Moon=342

Abortion=564, Innocent=564

Disease=372, Plague=372, Medicine=372

Homosexual=798, Temptation=798

War=252, Gun=252

Gold=Fire=Death=Decay=Noah=Ocean=228

Babylon=426, Money=426

Sport=528, Egotism=528, Good Time=528

Hero=Win=276

Dollar=372, Enemy=372

Alpha Numeric=726, Revelation=726
---------------------------------------------------------------
Orates 2006
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Orates
QUOTE(shy1 @ Apr 7 2006, 09:46 AM)
Orates,
Where did the code come from?
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It comes from an interpretation of Revelations Chapter 13, which says, "18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Many people have already seen the connection between this 6 based alpha-numeric code and key words in the Bible. This code is given to us as evidence, so we will use it to calculate the number of the name of the Antichrist when the time comes- to identify him

Orates
Marta
QUOTE(Orates @ Apr 7 2006, 09:28 AM)
QUOTE(shy1 @ Apr 7 2006, 09:46 AM)
Orates,
Where did the code come from?
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It comes from an interpretation of Revelations Chapter 13, which says, "18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Many people have already seen the connection between this 6 based alpha-numeric code and key words in the Bible. This code is given to us as evidence, so we will use it to calculate the number of the name of the Antichrist when the time comes- to identify him

Orates
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Hmmm interesting Socrates...you should check out my antichrist poll.

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Orates
Here is another web site dealing the the 6 Based Code....

http://www.john3-16.net/angels12

Orates

leia
QUOTE(Orates @ Apr 25 2006, 11:34 AM)
Here is another web site dealing the the 6 Based Code....

http://www.john3-16.net/angels12

Orates
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I wasn't intrigued until the Enoch/Elijah one....

Our number system is based on ten, but wasn't the Babylonian system based on '6' or '60'? Isn't that why the clock is 60 minutes?

leia
Orates
QUOTE(leia @ Apr 25 2006, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE(Orates @ Apr 25 2006, 11:34 AM)
Here is another web site dealing the the 6 Based Code....

http://www.john3-16.net/angels12

Orates
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I wasn't intrigued until the Enoch/Elijah one....

Our number system is based on ten, but wasn't the Babylonian system based on '6' or '60'? Isn't that why the clock is 60 minutes?

leia
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This is an English language based Alpha-Numeric code- not a Babylonian system. It is not based on numbers alone, but letters and numbers. The letters of a word add to a value that can be compared to words of like values. With all the hundreds of facinating relationships, I find it interesting why you thought the Enoch/Elijah relationship the most interesting?

Orates
Signet
Hi,

If you want to be blown away by a comprehensive study...
Please check out the Bible Wheel. You will be amazed that the Bible
reveals itself....powerful...and on top of that we have Bible Codes
that draw pictures, and I am sure there is much more to be revealed
as we draw nigh unto the days....we need this to keep us plugged in
and to awaken us from our slumber, yes? There is a condensing of the
Spirit as the days grow darker, more revelation knowledge coming
forth, let's strengthen and pray for one another. I lay hands on my
computer every day, since I had the dream last week. (not sure where
I posted it-sorry)

Bless you,
Signet
RosielovesJesus
Oh yes revelation knowledge is coming everyday.
We have to keep our eyes and ears open.
For the Lord is speaking to His children.

I feel that our Lord is doing a big weeding job. This is
what I have heard and felt while outside weeding.

The time is coming where we are hot for the Lord or not.
Yes we must witness, but we have to keep the heat of the
Lord upon us.

I hope I am making sense, for sometimes what I get from
the Lord is hard to write down and describe.

Today I felt like our Lord was grabbing me by the shoulders,
and placing me here and there and I saw things, new things
for the first time. As I walked around our farm which I love
to do, I kept hearing this will all be gone. You love it here,
but you must look to paradise, that is where your home will
be. All my children. Not the soap opera Lord. laugh.gif
Oh no my children who love me.


Orates
FYI,

Here are some other interesting Alpha-Numeric relationships (A=6, B=12, C=18, etc.) equaling 666:

Son of Rebel, The A-Christ, New Age Healing, Son of Dawn,
Son of Sin, A Great Dragon, Man of Riches, Necromancy, Dragon of Old, The Hidden One, A War In East, Zodiac Wheel, Fall of Dragon, Image of Judas, A War In Gulf, Satan Cult, Satan Bound, Image of Satan, A War In Iraq, Judas Cult, Satan’s Place-

plus:

America’s War.....A Secret Pact.....Satan’s Hell

Bush’s War........A Secret Idol.....Satan’s Hades

Secret Key.........Satan’s Seal......A Magic Power.....Lucifer + Hell

Magical Alphabet...Judas Light.......Illusion..........Lucifer + Hades

Lady of Evil.......New Age Light.....Occult Being......Flood of Noah

Deluded Light.....Demon Vow.........Sin Is Good

New Age Cult......Nazi Sins.........The Last Lie

Including:

Bio-Implant=666

Sorceries = 666

Necromancy=666

Confucius=666

Lustful=666

Corrupt=666

Insanity=666

Horrors=666

Treacheries=666

Slaughter=666

Calculation=666

False Market=666

Stubborn=666

Unruly=666

Illusion=666

Book of the Dead=666

Son of Sin=666

A Perdition=666

Geneticist=666

Quarrels=666

Falling Away=666



leia
QUOTE(Orates @ May 3 2006, 03:45 PM)
FYI,

Here are some other interesting Alpha-Numeric relationships (A=6, B=12, C=18, etc.) equaling 666:


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This way of "counting" makes more sense to me and always has. It seems a little more honest. Clearer to the mind, if that makes any sense either.

So.....using this, pray-tell what does Enoch and Elijah add up to?

Yes, they intrigue me...absolutly absorb me....

leia
Signet
Looking forward to this one, too

Elijah and Enoch...both went up with God. And the mantle was passed
down...

Signet
Orates
QUOTE(Signet @ May 3 2006, 09:49 PM)
Looking forward to this one, too

Elijah and Enoch...both went up with God. And the mantle was passed
down...

Signet
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You can add up the letters...using a=6, b=12, c=18, etc. In my head I believe they add to 270, but you can double check me on that.

Orates
Nitevision
Hi Orates,

I find it very interesting that you stumbled upon this code. You're one of very few! After years of doing my own studies in the Word and looking for numerical patterns, The Lord has shown me soo many amazing secrets regarding theme commonalities with numerical values in Hebrew, Greek and the English alphabet as you demonstrated in your post. You have a couple that I don't have, but I humbly must tell you that there are some errors in the calculations you show. I'm guessing that you might not have found a good 666 on-line calculator and are attempting to calculate manually. From experience, I can tell you that it's so easy to mis-calculate.

For starters, I would love to share with you some interesting finds. I have found that, overall, words which have the same numerical value are descriptions of each other or they are indications of a single principle or idea.

Look at 936: 666 (SIX SIX SIX), a symbol of evil, dark scary places, deceipt and deception, demonic entity, demons of sadism, evil influences, Jezebel Spirit, King of Terror, satanic influence, the number of a man, etc.

On the opposite side: against the devil, Biblical Creator God, sign from Heaven, moments to heed, the archangel Gabriel, The Lord Jesus.

So interesting, huh?

Love in Christ,
Nitevision



Orates
You are one of the few who realize how incredible this code system is. If you really want to see something cool- take a 360 degree circle and divide it into 60 parts (example 6, 12, 18, 24, 30 etc. degrees). Place words on the degree corresponding to their value based on the above system. Words of values above 360 will repeat. (for example 366 will fall on 6 degrees, 540 will fall on 180 degrees etc.) You will see that words will relate on the same degree even if different in value. Also words opposite from each other on the circle will relate (example Holy 360- Bible 180) and those 90 degrees from each are negative. 60 and 120 degrees are positively related) Some will say this is very close to astrological charting- but think of it- there is nothing at all to do with signs, planets, or anything to do with astrology- it is numerics.

You will find that the numbers 306, 666, 1026, etc all are related to 666 words. Jesus, which adds to 444, is related to words 84 and 804. Our own names also relate to words on the wheel according to our spiritual place in the scheme of things. (Could this be the wheel of Ezekiel?) I really don't put much importance in all this except for the curious new word relationships which come out of it.

Orates 2006

(PS: please post corrections if you detect any numerical miscalculations in the above posts- thanks)
Nitevision
QUOTE(Orates @ Nov 21 2006, 04:09 PM) [snapback]92764[/snapback]

You are one of the few who realize how incredible this code system is. If you really want to see something cool- take a 360 degree circle and divide it into 60 parts (example 6, 12, 18, 24, 30 etc. degrees). Place words on the degree corresponding to their value based on the above system. Words of values above 360 will repeat. (for example 366 will fall on 6 degrees, 540 will fall on 180 degrees etc.) You will see that words will relate on the same degree even if different in value. Also words opposite from each other on the circle will relate (example Holy 360- Bible 180) and those 90 degrees from each are negative. 60 and 120 degrees are positively related) Some will say this is very close to astrological charting- but think of it- there is nothing at all to do with signs, planets, or anything to do with astrology- it is numerics.

You will find that the numbers 306, 666, 1026, etc all are related to 666 words. Jesus, which adds to 444, is related to words 84 and 804. Our own names also relate to words on the wheel according to our spiritual place in the scheme of things. (Could this be the wheel of Ezekiel?) I really don't put much importance in all this except for the curious new word relationships which come out of it.

Orates 2006

(PS: please post corrections if you detect any numerical miscalculations in the above posts- thanks)


Orates,

WELL...finally. Took you long enough, huh? smile.gif

That 360 circle thingy seems very interesting. The wheel of Ezekial?...hmmm. PI, PHI...

I have so many interesting similarities to share with you but unfortunately my computer fried and I'm currently using a laptop until I get a new one. All my files are saved to the hard-drive and will transfer them when I get a new computer.

Anyway, my study led me from one level to the next. The Lord kept showing me more and more. He told me to "measure the temple" in a dream. The Holy Spirit directed me to Bullinger's number website which discusses all the numeric symbolism and intricacies of Moses' temple. On another level, the temple is where God dwells-- in His people; WE are His temple. The similarities I found seem endless. God's use of numeric symbolism is awesome! He does everything mathematically. His whole creation/universe: all mathematics! The whole Bible is mathematically constructed; ever chapter, every verse, number of words in a verse, number of letters in a word, etc.etc.etc. Amazing! I need a new Bible, 'cause the one I study from has so many numerical markings it's almost too difficult to read. rolleyes.gif smile.gif

Have you studied any Hebrew and Greek gematria?

Get this:

LORD =800 JESUS =888 CHRIST =1480 = TOTAL 3168 The perimeter of the New Jerusalem (Rev.21) is 48.000 furlongs or 31,680,000 ft. (the area is 144,000,000 square furlongs) I have much more on 3168 but right now I don't have access to it. If you're interested, let me know.

-Nitevision

jason benoit
Dear nitevision, your into everything arn't you. haha

i'll have fun with this stuff guys.
Nitevision
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Nov 21 2006, 05:27 PM) [snapback]92780[/snapback]

Dear nitevision, your into everything arn't you. haha

i'll have fun with this stuff guys.



"LOVE GOD. VERRY HUNGRY" smile.gif
jason benoit
Wrath=420, Fury=420, guess what "Vatican" adds up to....420; i guess vatican bad, pope good.. also Ahmadinejad= 420 (pres of Iran)

Homosexual=798, Temptation=798, Adolphe Hitler=798; got him right

Salt=312, Earth=312, Pope=312; so i guess the pope is good.

Get this "A President" = 666

War=252, Gun=252, Iran=252
Nitevision
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Nov 21 2006, 05:50 PM) [snapback]92783[/snapback]

Wrath=420, Fury=420, guess what "Vatican" adds up to....420; i guess vatican bad, pope good.. also Ahmadinejad= 420 (pres of Iran)

Homosexual=798, Temptation=798, Adolphe Hitler=798; got him right

Salt=312, Earth=312, Pope=312; so i guess the pope is good.

Get this "A President" = 666

War=252, Gun=252, Iran=252



Jason,

I found that number groups contain both positive and negative connotions. Salt and Earth may be positive; pope is negative.

For instance 666 is generally negative, but GOD OF ISRAEL also equals 666.

My number columns show always a left and a right; there are always two sides.

When I get access back, I can show you examples which apply across the board.

-Nitevision
Orates
Numerics are not fun and games.....

One of the biggest arguments against English based alpha-numerics is the fact that it wasn't around at the time the Bible was written. The answer is that this numeric system was designed for future generations. John gave the 666 prophecies for us to calculate the Antichrist's name in the generation that would see the Antichrist. Many people try to fit other language groups like Hebrew, Greek, etc. or different number systems into the calculations. While some other languages may work for some words (God is multi-dimensional), English was designed to work with the endtime 666 prophecy. When the Antichrist comes on the scene, he may be identified just by his actions according to prophectic Scripture. But the final icing on the cake will be his name adding to 666 using only this English 6 based numeric system. God gave us ample evidence of the relationships of different words to convince some of us that it is the correct one to use. Not every word in the English language can relate to every other word because that is not even necessary. Just some key words can convince us. If you took every word in the dictionary and configured them according to their values, it probably would look like random numeric relationships. Some words would not make sense because of these random calculations (example Providence = 666). If every word did relate, then this would be an absolute proof of God's existence- which would eliminate the faith factor in believing in God.

Two things should be avoided in using this or any system. 1. to make it a parlor game. and 2. to read too much into the interconnections. The purpose of this system is to reveal the Antichrist and that's it. Some people make too much out of all this number searching and forget to study the Word of God. If you get obsessed with number calculations, then you may miss or contradict the Word in your fanatism. This site puts a huge effort into playing with numbers. I only added my two cents to point the way- to the clear teachings of the Bible and not somebody's pet number system. If we ever come up with interpretations using numbers, which contradict the Bible- throw them out! I would value sound interpretation of Scripture over numeric calculations anytime.

Yours in Truth and Light-

Orates
Nitevision
Orates,

Your reply was well intentioned, I'm sure, but contains alot of unnessary verbiage and seems to downplay the importance of all of gematria.

Those of us who study gematria also study the Word intensely. Throw out gematria for God's Word?...that's absurd. All gematria, English forms, Hebrew and Greek, serve only to confirm the awesomeness of God. He has deliberately left His people important confirmations about Himself...if we go looking.

Why did you make the comparison to a parlor game? I didn't get the impression anyone here likens gematria to fun and games. Jason implied fun, but he's learning: just eager to dig and hungry for God.


Orates
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Orates,

Your reply was well intentioned, I'm sure, but contains alot of unnessary verbiage and seems to downplay the importance of all of gematria.

Those of us who study gematria also study the Word intensely. Throw out gematria for God's Word?...that's absurd. All gematria, English forms, Hebrew and Greek, serve only to confirm the awesomeness of God. He has deliberately left His people important confirmations about Himself...if we go looking.

Why did you make the comparison to a parlor game? I didn't get the impression anyone here likens gematria to fun and games. Jason implied fun, but he's learning: just eager to dig and hungry for God.



I didn't mean that number calculations should be thrown out- just that Scripture comes first!

O
THE SEVEN THUNDERS
Orates... So if this hexasequential code is true, then any Christian who has gone to enjoy the frivilous pleasures of Disneyland have engaged in a horrific and abominal sin, for "Disnneyland, CA" computes in the 6-based code to the triadic number of the Beast "666".
Miki
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Numerics are not fun and games.....

One of the biggest arguments against English based alpha-numerics is the fact that it wasn't around at the time the Bible was written. The answer is that this numeric system was designed for future generations. John gave the 666 prophecies for us to calculate the Antichrist's name in the generation that would see the Antichrist. Many people try to fit other language groups like Hebrew, Greek, etc. or different number systems into the calculations. While some other languages may work for some words (God is multi-dimensional), English was designed to work with the endtime 666 prophecy. When the Antichrist comes on the scene, he may be identified just by his actions according to prophectic Scripture. But the final icing on the cake will be his name adding to 666 using only this English 6 based numeric system. God gave us ample evidence of the relationships of different words to convince some of us that it is the correct one to use. Not every word in the English language can relate to every other word because that is not even necessary. Just some key words can convince us. If you took every word in the dictionary and configured them according to their values, it probably would look like random numeric relationships. Some words would not make sense because of these random calculations (example Providence = 666). If every word did relate, then this would be an absolute proof of God's existence- which would eliminate the faith factor in believing in God.

Two things should be avoided in using this or any system. 1. to make it a parlor game. and 2. to read too much into the interconnections. The purpose of this system is to reveal the Antichrist and that's it. Some people make too much out of all this number searching and forget to study the Word of God. If you get obsessed with number calculations, then you may miss or contradict the Word in your fanatism. This site puts a huge effort into playing with numbers. I only added my two cents to point the way- to the clear teachings of the Bible and not somebody's pet number system. If we ever come up with interpretations using numbers, which contradict the Bible- throw them out! I would value sound interpretation of Scripture over numeric calculations anytime.

Yours in Truth and Light-

Orates


People have always looked for proof. It does exsist but faith pleases God.
Orates
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Orates... So if this hexasequential code is true, then any Christian who has gone to enjoy the frivilous pleasures of Disneyland have engaged in a horrific and abominal sin, for "Disnneyland, CA" computes in the 6-based code to the triadic number of the Beast "666".


Ditto New York.

Like I said, you can't take every word in the English language as important in the code- it is a trend of words that is important. As far as Disney is concerned- are there any Christian values being promoted by that francise?

O
DaDad
Dear Orates,

According to Rev. 13, you have wisdom. This English language alpha numeric code premise appears to have full validity. The only question is whether the three-fold original has a three-fold counterfeit. I.e., have you missed the third characteristic?

You may wish to see a post I left in the "Current Events > Signs of the Times" forum for this answer.


Additionally, one might consider what the following have in common:

-- Tires, engine, transmission, chassis, and body --

I believe the church would answer: "CSI, because where there's a body, there must be crime." And yes, that's exactly how most people fail to think.

So having pre-empted that error, please allow me to ask: What does the right hand and forehead have in common?

One co-worker slapped his forehead with his right hand, which I thought was pretty funny, but it wasn't the correct answer. I believe the "can't buy or sell" is due to participation in a computer data base which requires an oath of allegiance to the U.N., and would have the palm and/or retnal scans for identity verification. It's always the right hand which is scanned, and of course the eyes are in the forehead.

Thanks again for your sharing your alpha numeric system with a greater audience.
With Regards,
DaDad
crownsevenalphabet
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You are one of the few who realize how incredible this code system is. If you really want to see something cool- take a 360 degree circle and divide it into 60 parts (example 6, 12, 18, 24, 30 etc. degrees). Place words on the degree corresponding to their value based on the above system. Words of values above 360 will repeat. (for example 366 will fall on 6 degrees, 540 will fall on 180 degrees etc.) You will see that words will relate on the same degree even if different in value. Also words opposite from each other on the circle will relate (example Holy 360- Bible 180) and those 90 degrees from each are negative. 60 and 120 degrees are positively related) Some will say this is very close to astrological charting- but think of it- there is nothing at all to do with signs, planets, or anything to do with astrology- it is numerics.

You will find that the numbers 306, 666, 1026, etc all are related to 666 words. Jesus, which adds to 444, is related to words 84 and 804. Our own names also relate to words on the wheel according to our spiritual place in the scheme of things. (Could this be the wheel of Ezekiel?) I really don't put much importance in all this except for the curious new word relationships which come out of it.

Orates 2006

(PS: please post corrections if you detect any numerical miscalculations in the above posts- thanks)


Orates,

WELL...finally. Took you long enough, huh? smile.gif

That 360 circle thingy seems very interesting. The wheel of Ezekial?...hmmm. PI, PHI...

I have so many interesting similarities to share with you but unfortunately my computer fried and I'm currently using a laptop until I get a new one. All my files are saved to the hard-drive and will transfer them when I get a new computer.

Anyway, my study led me from one level to the next. The Lord kept showing me more and more. He told me to "measure the temple" in a dream. The Holy Spirit directed me to Bullinger's number website which discusses all the numeric symbolism and intricacies of Moses' temple. On another level, the temple is where God dwells-- in His people; WE are His temple. The similarities I found seem endless. God's use of numeric symbolism is awesome! He does everything mathematically. His whole creation/universe: all mathematics! The whole Bible is mathematically constructed; ever chapter, every verse, number of words in a verse, number of letters in a word, etc.etc.etc. Amazing! I need a new Bible, 'cause the one I study from has so many numerical markings it's almost too difficult to read. rolleyes.gif smile.gif

Have you studied any Hebrew and Greek gematria?

Get this:

LORD =800 JESUS =888 CHRIST =1480 = TOTAL 3168 The perimeter of the New Jerusalem (Rev.21) is 48.000 furlongs or 31,680,000 ft. (the area is 144,000,000 square furlongs) I have much more on 3168 but right now I don't have access to it. If you're interested, let me know.

-Nitevision




Hello Nitevision/Orates :

Here are some researches about two of your above numerics topics:

A) Ezekiel's Wheel in the middle of the wheel

cool.gif The New Jerusalem

Summary:
The Holy Spirit, grants me a vision or dream, with the subject and then the rest is simple
research to confirm the message from the Father.

I am going to review the other sacred geometry data, you each are bringing. As Signet
stated, the Biblewheel.com is the best in scripture support, of the numerics of both
Old/New Testament references.

A) :

Click here: HOLISTICWARRIOR: Ezekiel's ~Wheel in the middle of a Wheel~:
http://holisticwarrior.blogspot.com/2006/0...e-of-wheel.html

Sunday, June 11, 2006
Ezekiel's ~Wheel in the middle of a Wheel~:
ARCHETYPE of The four[4] Living Creatures of Ezekiel with Tribes of Israel + ~endtime~ info.
Subject: Ezekiel's ~wheel in the middle of a wheel~ + four living creatures


cool.gif :

Click here: HOLISTICWARRIOR: Dream[s]: ~As Jacob says, to Infinity~ + `Fushia`
http://holisticwarrior.blogspot.com/2006/0...o-infinity.html

Sunday, June 11, 2006
Dream[s]: ~As Jacob says, to Infinity~ + `Fushia`
This twenty year period of alignment is the window of opportunity, the eschatological moment when the New Jerusalem descends to earth. In Revelations 21:16 we are told that the New Jerusalem is a vast cube, one that fractally encompasses the entire planet
crownsevenalphabet
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Orates,

Your reply was well intentioned, I'm sure, but contains alot of unnessary verbiage and seems to downplay the importance of all of gematria.

Those of us who study gematria also study the Word intensely. Throw out gematria for God's Word?...that's absurd. All gematria, English forms, Hebrew and Greek, serve only to confirm the awesomeness of God. He has deliberately left His people important confirmations about Himself...if we go looking.

Why did you make the comparison to a parlor game? I didn't get the impression anyone here likens gematria to fun and games. Jason implied fun, but he's learning: just eager to dig and hungry for God.



I didn't mean that number calculations should be thrown out- just that Scripture comes first!

O



Yes, I agree with both of your positions.

We are eager to share.
In the sharing with the milk students, we should always be advised to point toward the scripture balances.

And the meat students, in sacred numerics, should continue to support the eager learning with
a guiding hand to avoid idol worship of the numerics.

We are in the Lamed (scales) to provide the insight, while Holy Spirit enforces the proper
discernment.

I appreciate, both of your commentaries in this area of grace.

In the Name of Jesus Christ, our Messiah . . . may we remember we serve the Father's work
in all things. Amen !
Miki
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we should always be advised to point toward the scripture


DaDad
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6 Based Alpha Numeric Language Code

A secret Code exists in a language of man (English). Using the Code, you can convert words in English to an alpha-numeric value. Comparing words of like value reveals interesting relationships that have religious meaning.

The Code was hinted at by John in the book of Revelation in the Bible- Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is 666.

...

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Orates 2006



Hi Orates and All,

I strongly agree that this alpha/numeric code appears to have a two-fold significance. Howver, if I were to counterfeit a $20 bill, it would probably have multiple attributes typical of the original, not just "$20" in the corners of an 8.5" x 11" sheet of green paper.

Shouldn't you expect that a three-fold original would have a three-fold counterfeit, with three respective "666" inferences? Personally, I'd look for a "Father" entity which ~sees all~; a "Holy Spirit" entity which is ~pervasive~; and a "Son" entity but without the virgin birth. And as stated above, each should have a "666" association.


Obviously, the Uniform Product Code (UPC) and European Article Numbering (EAN) systems are pervasive, and both conform to a registration mark convention wherein there are two-thin-lines at the beginning, two-thin-lines at the middle, and two-thin-lines at the end. If the scanner correctly reads these lines in their intended orientation, then the product line-values are accepted.

And because programmers use binary, they would select some numeric value for the two-thin-line registration marks, but they would use the fewest "bits" practical for that numeric value because computer memory does have a cost. Accordingly, we could consider the following:

1 = 1
2 = 10
3 = 11
4 = 100
5 = 101
6 = 110
7 = 111
8 = 1000
9 = 1001
10 = 1010
... and so forth ...

You should be aware that single digit "on's" (i.e., 1,2,4) are "low-confidence" because potential stray energies in the computing environment can create a false read. Alternating "on's" (i.e., 5,10)are undesireable because circuits can easily malfunction in that mode, creating a false read. And "all-on's" (i.e. 3,7) are undesireable because circuits can easily malfunction in that mode. This leaves the "110" the best unit for programmers, because there are two "on's" and one "off", without using additional bits of data.

And as identified above, this "6" numeric value is evident at the beginning, middle, and end of UPC and EAN barcodes.


The question is whether the binary and alpha/numeric codes compliment each other. and whether both the "father" and "son" -666- characteristics are evident in that alpha/numeric methodology.


Thanks,
DaDad


PS If anyone is perceptive, one might propose that the Master Mathematician reserved the binary "7" for himself, as Father/Son/Holy-Spirit.
magpie
Don't suppose you could "dumb this down" for the mathematically challenged among us, could you? lol. This is interesting but gives me a headache. 1dsz5h3.gif
DaDad
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Don't suppose you could "dumb this down" for the mathematically challenged among us, could you? lol. This is interesting but gives me a headache. 1dsz5h3.gif



Dear Magpie, and All,

Sure. Stop thinking...

Actually everytime you shop, the purchased item uses an embeded "666" in the barcode, and eventually you will have to take an oath of allegiance to the United Nations so that your electronic bank account can be established. You will probably use a credit card swipe with a palm scan identity verification. (If you don't have a right hand -- no problem. You can use the retnal scan.) It won't be too much different from what you're currently doing right now.

The only concern is the Revelation 14:9-11 prescribed eternal torment. Other than that, life could be pretty good...

With Best Regards,
DaDad

PS Oh, and one other thing. You might expect this circumstance within the next four or so years. So enjoy...
Godsword
Orates,


About that "6-based Alpha-numeric" system: There's a problem with it, one that completely eliminates its significance, and I'm surprised no one has noticed it. The problem is that the original "6-based Alpha-numeric" system is merely the following Alpha-numeric system,

A = 1
B = 2
C = 3
D = 4
E = 5
F = 6
G = 7
...
...
...
and so on,

with the numbers multiplied by 6 (thus,

A = 6
B = 12
C = 18
D = 24
E = 30
F = 36
G = 42
...
...
...
etc.).

The result of this is that EVERY word in English which adds to 666 in the latter "6-based Alpha-numeric" system will add to 777 in a "7-based Alpha-numeric" system, or 555 in a "5-based Alpha-numeric" system, and so on. Just "calculate" a word in the "original" (1,2,3,4,...) Alpha-numeric system, then multiply the result by whatever "base" you want, and if the word adds to 111 in the original, it will add to "triple" that base after multiplication (that is, it will add to, say, 111 or 222 or 333 or 444 or 555 or 666 or 777 or 888 or 999, depending on what "base" one uses to multiply 111 by).

Thus, there is no significance whatsoever to the fact that those English words add to 666 in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system, because they will also add to "good" numbers like 555 or 777 in "5-based" or "7-based" Alpha-numeric systems, respectively. Sorry to deflate a well-intentioned study, but it's the truth.
DaDad
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Orates,


About that "6-based Alpha-numeric" system: There's a problem with it, one that completely eliminates its significance, and I'm surprised no one has noticed it. The problem is that the original "6-based Alpha-numeric" system is merely the following Alpha-numeric system,

A = 1
B = 2
C = 3
D = 4
E = 5
F = 6
G = 7
...
...
...
and so on,

with the numbers multiplied by 6 (thus,

A = 6
B = 12
C = 18
D = 24
E = 30
F = 36
G = 42
...
...
...
etc.).

The result of this is that EVERY word in English which adds to 666 in the latter "6-based Alpha-numeric" system will add to 777 in a "7-based Alpha-numeric" system, or 555 in a "5-based Alpha-numeric" system, and so on. Just "calculate" a word in the "original" (1,2,3,4,...) Alpha-numeric system, then multiply the result by whatever "base" you want, and if the word adds to 111 in the original, it will add to "triple" that base after multiplication (that is, it will add to, say, 111 or 222 or 333 or 444 or 555 or 666 or 777 or 888 or 999, depending on what "base" one uses to multiply 111 by).

Thus, there is no significance whatsoever to the fact that those English words add to 666 in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system, because they will also add to "good" numbers like 555 or 777 in "5-based" or "7-based" Alpha-numeric systems, respectively. Sorry to deflate a well-intentioned study, but it's the truth.


Hi Godsword,
You are correct in your 555, 666, 777, assessment. However, Rev. 13 does say we are supposed to use some "wisdom" to calculate who "he" is, and not every persons name adds up to either the 111, 222, 333, or whichever sum check you use. As I suggested, the UPC and EAN barcodes do appear to confirm a "6/6/6" inference; and there should be some person of Jewish heritage who will appear in a position of eminence, with a tool that will control the world's finances.

I've asked some what the following has in common:
-- tires, engine, transmission, chassis, and body --
Most people would say a "car", but it seems that some see the "body" and declare a crime scene.

So too the right hand and forehead.
"It's a computer chip." -- What?
People don't stop to think that the right palm (hand) is scanned for size to confirm identity, and the eyes (forehead) are also scanned for retnal characteristics to confirm identity.

The clues are really not that difficult, so long as we have some words typical of a Jewish statesman or piece of hardware (i.e., "computer") which add to 111, or 222, or 666.

With Best Regards,
DaDad
DaDad
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Orates,


About that "6-based Alpha-numeric" system: There's a problem with it, one that completely eliminates its significance, and I'm surprised no one has noticed it. The problem is that the original "6-based Alpha-numeric" system is merely the following Alpha-numeric system,

A = 1
B = 2
C = 3
D = 4
E = 5
F = 6
G = 7
...
...
...
and so on,

with the numbers multiplied by 6 (thus,

A = 6
B = 12
C = 18
D = 24
E = 30
F = 36
G = 42
...
...
...
etc.).

The result of this is that EVERY word in English which adds to 666 in the latter "6-based Alpha-numeric" system will add to 777 in a "7-based Alpha-numeric" system, or 555 in a "5-based Alpha-numeric" system, and so on. Just "calculate" a word in the "original" (1,2,3,4,...) Alpha-numeric system, then multiply the result by whatever "base" you want, and if the word adds to 111 in the original, it will add to "triple" that base after multiplication (that is, it will add to, say, 111 or 222 or 333 or 444 or 555 or 666 or 777 or 888 or 999, depending on what "base" one uses to multiply 111 by).

Thus, there is no significance whatsoever to the fact that those English words add to 666 in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system, because they will also add to "good" numbers like 555 or 777 in "5-based" or "7-based" Alpha-numeric systems, respectively. Sorry to deflate a well-intentioned study, but it's the truth.


Hi Godsword,
You are correct in your 555, 666, 777, assessment. However, Rev. 13 does say we are supposed to use some "wisdom" to calculate who "he" is, and not every persons name adds up to either the 111, 222, 333, or whichever sum check you use. As I suggested, the UPC and EAN barcodes do appear to confirm a "6/6/6" inference; and there should be some person of Jewish heritage who will appear in a position of eminence, with a tool that will control the world's finances.

I've asked some what the following has in common:
-- tires, engine, transmission, chassis, and body --
Most people would say a "car", but it seems that some see the "body" and declare a crime scene.

So too the right hand and forehead.
"It's a computer chip." -- What?
People don't stop to think that the right palm (hand) is scanned for size to confirm identity, and the eyes (forehead) are also scanned for retnal characteristics to confirm identity.

The clues are really not that difficult, so long as we have some words typical of a Jewish statesman or piece of hardware (i.e., "computer") which add to 111, or 222, or 666.

And if the "original" had three characteristics, I might expect the "counterfeit" to have the same number.

With Best Regards,
DaDad
Godsword
DaDad,

QUOTE
You are correct in your 555, 666, 777, assessment. However, Rev. 13 does say we are supposed to use some "wisdom" to calculate who "he" is, and not every person's name adds up to either the 111, 222, 333, or whichever sum check you use.

I agree, but the point is that the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system cannot be used to calculate the identity of the Antichrist, because if a person's name calculates to 666 in that system, it also calculates to 777 and 555 in other, equally valid, systems, and therefore there would be no way to discern which system was "relevant", if any. On the other hand, I believe I have found what "numeric" system God intended to be used with the Hebrew and Greek alphabets (and which Greek alphabet, among two possible, to use, as well) to calculate the Antichrist's name to 666, and it was confirmed to me three times the day I discovered it, and once more in July of 2006. (I believe I have also actually identified the Antichrist, and calculated his name to 666 [in several languages] - I don't know for sure about this, but it seems likely.) I'll give you a hint as to what it is: What triple-digit number should be discarded, and what triple-digit number is "holy"? (Don't you just love riddles? smile.gif )

QUOTE
As I suggested, the UPC and EAN barcodes do appear to confirm a "6/6/6" inference; and there should be some person of Jewish heritage who will appear in a position of eminence, with a tool that will control the world's finances.

I agree with you about the UPC and EAN barcodes, and that the Antichrist will have a "tool" with which he can control the world's finances, and that those barcodes likely are, or will be a major part of, that "tool". I do not believe, though, that the Antichrist will necessarily be of Jewish heritage. At least, not of very recent Jewish heritage. My opinion is that the Antichrist will claim what is called "The Merovingian Heresy", which says that Jesus was the rightful heir to the throne of David, but was not God, and that Jesus fathered children with Mary Magdalene before He died, after which Mary and Jesus' children fled to southern France, Jesus' children supposedly becoming the forebears of most of the royalty of Europe. Thus, if my theory regarding this is correct, the Antichrist will falsely claim to be "Jewish" (probably "finagling" some historical genealogies to bolster his claim), and the Jews in Israel, in the "Last Days", will apparently find his claims convincing enough - along with his political and military power - to accept him as their Messiah.
DaDad
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QUOTE
You are correct in your 555, 666, 777, assessment. However, Rev. 13 does say we are supposed to use some "wisdom" to calculate who "he" is, and not every person's name adds up to either the 111, 222, 333, or whichever sum check you use.
QUOTE

I agree, but the point is that the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system cannot be used to calculate the identity of the Antichrist, because if a person's name calculates to 666 in that system, it also calculates to 777 and 555 in other, equally valid, systems, and therefore there would be no way to discern which system was "relevant", if any. On the other hand, I believe I have found what "numeric" system God intended to be used with the Hebrew and Greek alphabets (and which Greek alphabet, among two possible, to use, as well) to calculate the Antichrist's name to 666, and it was confirmed to me three times the day I discovered it, and once more in July of 2006. (I believe I have also actually identified the Antichrist, and calculated his name to 666 [in several languages] - I don't know for sure about this, but it seems likely.) I'll give you a hint as to what it is: What triple-digit number should be discarded, and what triple-digit number is "holy"? (Don't you just love riddles? smile.gif )


Hi Godsword,
I think I suggested that the "original" version had three attributes. So too, the "counterfeit" should have three attributes which individually indicate a "666" calculation. -- Does your revelation have this 3-fold characteristic?

I.e.,:
Ronald = 6
Wilson = 6
Reagan = 6
Ronald Reagan is DEAD.

And many other "revelations" have a one-fold confirmation, making them inherently wrong. The only way you're going to pass a $3 bill with pink ink and Hillary's picture, is at McDonalds. No one else will accept it.

QUOTE
As I suggested, the UPC and EAN barcodes do appear to confirm a "6/6/6" inference; and there should be some person of Jewish heritage who will appear in a position of eminence, with a tool that will control the world's finances.
QUOTE

I agree with you about the UPC and EAN barcodes, and that the Antichrist will have a "tool" with which he can control the world's finances, and that those barcodes likely are, or will be a major part of, that "tool". I do not believe, though, that the Antichrist will necessarily be of Jewish heritage. At least, not of very recent Jewish heritage. My opinion is that the Antichrist will claim what is called "The Merovingian Heresy", which says that Jesus was the rightful heir to the throne of David, but was not God, and that Jesus fathered children with Mary Magdalene before He died, after which Mary and Jesus' children fled to southern France, Jesus' children supposedly becoming the forebears of most of the royalty of Europe. Thus, if my theory regarding this is correct, the Antichrist will falsely claim to be "Jewish" (probably "finagling" some historical genealogies to bolster his claim), and the Jews in Israel, in the "Last Days", will apparently find his claims convincing enough - along with his political and military power - to accept him as their Messiah.[/font]


Personally, I wouldn't fall for this, unless I also worked at McDonalds...

With Best Regards,
DaDad
Godsword
DaDad,

QUOTE
I think I suggested that the "original" version had three attributes. So too, the "counterfeit" should have three attributes which individually indicate a "666" calculation. -- Does your revelation have this 3-fold characteristic?

I.e.,:
Ronald = 6
Wilson = 6
Reagan = 6
Ronald Reagan is DEAD.

Are you suggesting that the "evidence" regarding Ronald Reagan which you mention above is "valid" in some way? I hope not, because it is far from strong enough or specific enough to identify anyone in any way.

Without your defining what you mean by "attributes" and "3-fold characteristic", it is hard for me to give you an answer one way or the other. But, I would say that some pieces of evidence would require only one "attribute" to point to their "validity" - where by "attribute" I mean "correspondence" or "pattern" (two terms which I will leave undefined, just for fun).

I will repeat the hints I gave earlier, though: What triple-digit number should be discarded, and what triple-digit number is "holy"? With a little thought, the answers should be obvious, I think.

[Edited to add: I think I see what you mean by "3-fold characteristic" in relation to "Ronald Wilson Reagan". The problem, though, is that there is actually only one "attribute" which "indicate[s] a '666' calculation", not three (since each individual number is "6", not "666"). Besides, in no way would Reagan's name thus calculate to 666 ("six hundred three-score and six"), so it is not even in that sense a "'666' calculation".]
Orates
I would like to reiterate that the reason that the 6 based system is the one that works is because God gave us the warning about 666- not 888, or 333, or 999. 6 is the number of man and 666 is man making himself out to be god. It is the number of the Antichrist and the 6 based system seems to fit as the one to identify him.

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Godsword
Orates,

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I would like to reiterate that the reason that the 6 based system is the one that works is because God gave us the warning about 666- not 888, or 333, or 999.

That indeed is the number God warns us about. However, one would think that such a warning would not involve an "identification" system which is completely subjectively determined (choosing to use 6 as a "base" rather than, say, 7 or 5 or whatever). For example, suppose an Antichrist "candidate" arises by the name of "John Wilbur Smith", and someone calculates his name to 666 in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system, and concludes he is therefore the Antichrist. Someone else points out that in the "7-based Alpha-numeric" system "John Wilbur Smith" calculates to 777, and in the "8-based", to 888. Someone else points out that God doesn't specify in the Bible which "base" (if any) should be used.

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6 is the number of man and 666 is man making himself out to be god.

Yes, and 7 is the number of "holiness" and the Holy Spirit - so maybe John Wilbur Smith, rather than being the Antichrist, is a very holy, great man of God.

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It is the number of the Antichrist and the 6 based system seems to fit as the one to identify him.

It only "seems to fit" because you've in essence "forced" the system's hand, you've "stacked the deck". The real system, I propose, will have a UNIQUE clue which identifies it as the system to use. I believe I have found that system, and also the clue. Here are a few hints as to what that clue might be:
  • What triple-digit number should be discarded?
  • What triple-digit number is "holy"?
  • What triple-digit number is uniquely identified with both of the above two numbers, within a particular "Biblical" numbering system?
  • What would be the "anti-name" of the Antichrist?

DaDad
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(To: Orates)
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For example, suppose an Antichrist "candidate" arises by the name of "John Wilbur Smith", and someone calculates his name to 666 in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system, and concludes he is therefore the Antichrist. Someone else points out that in the "7-based Alpha-numeric" system "John Wilbur Smith" calculates to 777, and in the "8-based", to 888. Someone else points out that God doesn't specify in the Bible which "base" (if any) should be used.

I believe I have found that system, and also the clue. Here are a few hints as to what that clue might be:
(Godsword)

Hi Godsword,
1.) I agree with your observation, but Orates is correct in using a "six" based increment, per scripture. For example, in Exodus multiple measurements are given in cubits. I believe it would be a disservice to scripture to present those increments in meters, yards, feet, or inches. Somethings are just what the author intended, per HIS purpose.

Also, early in this Topic, I believe that Orates had presented a comprehensive pool of words which add to 666 given the A=6 premise. However, given your "John Wilbur Smith" example, that person clearly would NOT be a candidate for the A/C anymore than he could become the next president of the United States. -- John Wilber, what?

2.)Without your defining what you mean by "attributes" and "3-fold characteristic", it is hard for me to give you an answer one way or the other.
There is a "Father", a "Son", and a "Holy Spirit" in the original. I propose that the counterfeit has a "father - Satan", a "son - anti/christ", and "holy spirit - computer". Per this premise, the original has 3-attributes, and the counterfeit will have 3-attributes. That's how counterfeiting works, it tries to look like the original.

3.) And if you don't mind, as I understand the significance of -riddles-, yours really isn't one if scripture is the basis.

With Best Regards,
DaDad
Godsword
DaDad,

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1.) I agree with your observation, but Orates is correct in using a "six" based increment, per scripture.

No, I'm afraid he's (or she's) not, because the Bible does not give any indication whatsoever that that is the "base" to (or even if a "base" should) be used.

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For example, in Exodus multiple measurements are given in cubits. I believe it would be a disservice to scripture to present those increments in meters, yards, feet, or inches. Somethings are just what the author intended, per HIS purpose.

And exactly where in Scripture is a "6-based Alpha-numeric" system used? For your example to be relevant, you must supply evidence that such was used in Scripture, lest we do a "disservice to scripture" in presenting things as though they are in Scripture when they are not.

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Also, early in this Topic, I believe that Orates had presented a comprehensive pool of words which add to 666 given the A=6 premise.

He (or she) sure did. But how is it that you do not yet understand my point, and how it completely undermines the supposed "significance" of that "comprehensive pool of words which add to 666 given the A=6 premise"? Do you not yet realize that all those same words add to 777 given an "A=7 premise", or 555 given an "A=5 premise"? Do you not realize how this fact removes any possible significance for the "A=6 premise"?

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However, given your "John Wilbur Smith" example, that person clearly would NOT be a candidate for the A/C anymore than he could become the next president of the United States.

And why not? In the hypothetical example, his name did calculate to 666 in the "A=6 premise" system. So, if that is the correct system to use, then why would he NOT be a candidate for the Antichrist?

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There is a "Father", a "Son", and a "Holy Spirit" in the original. I propose that the counterfeit has a "father - Satan", a "son - anti/christ", and "holy spirit - computer".

I agree that the counterfeit, Satanic/worldly system, will have an "unholy trinity". How you arrive at the idea that the computer, or computers, will be the "anti- Holy Spirit", I have no idea. Traditionally, and as makes by far the most sense, it has been understood that the "unholy Trinity" will consist of three persons, just like the Trinity consists of three Persons (which makes me think that perhaps you believe that the Holy Spirit is not a Person, given your "association" of Him, by contrast, with computers). The "unholy Trinity" will be Satan (anti- God the Father), the Antichrist (anti- Christ), and the False Prophet (anti - Holy Spirit). Consider, as well, that one of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to exalt Jesus - computers are neutral; an actual person as the False Prophet, on the other hand, could (and will) mock this function of the Holy Spirit very directly by exalting the Antichrist.

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Per this premise, the original has 3-attributes, and the counterfeit will have 3-attributes.

Yes, but you are seeing "3-attributes" in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system when it does not have them. I already pointed out to you that you were mistaken in thinking that "Ronald Wilson Reagan" has "3 attributes" regarding 666, in that "6" appears 3 times in relation to that name, but 666 does not, and "Ronald Wilson Reagan" apparently does not calculate to 666 (at least in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system).

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That's how counterfeiting works, it tries to look like the original.

Exactly. Which is another reason why the "holy spirit - computer" scenario doesn't work, because computers do not "look like" how the Holy Spirit operates and functions, particularly in His relation to Jesus.

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3.) And if you don't mind, as I understand the significance of -riddles-, yours really isn't one if scripture is the basis.

It absolutely is a riddle. And it is based on Scripture far more than the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system. And it is valid, and has Biblical support.

Of course, if you don't wish to play the game, and try to solve the riddle, that's fine. If you are curious as to what it involves, and what the clue is, feel free to ask me in private.
DaDad
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DaDad,

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1.) I agree with your observation, but Orates is correct in using a "six" based increment, per scripture.

No, I'm afraid he's (or she's) not, because the Bible does not give any indication whatsoever that that is the "base" to (or even if a "base" should) be used.

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For example, in Exodus multiple measurements are given in cubits. I believe it would be a disservice to scripture to present those increments in meters, yards, feet, or inches. Somethings are just what the author intended, per HIS purpose.

And exactly where in Scripture is a "6-based Alpha-numeric" system used? For your example to be relevant, you must supply evidence that such was used in Scripture, lest we do a "disservice to scripture" in presenting things as though they are in Scripture when they are not.

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Also, early in this Topic, I believe that Orates had presented a comprehensive pool of words which add to 666 given the A=6 premise.

He (or she) sure did. But how is it that you do not yet understand my point, and how it completely undermines the supposed "significance" of that "comprehensive pool of words which add to 666 given the A=6 premise"? Do you not yet realize that all those same words add to 777 given an "A=7 premise", or 555 given an "A=5 premise"? Do you not realize how this fact removes any possible significance for the "A=6 premise"?

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However, given your "John Wilbur Smith" example, that person clearly would NOT be a candidate for the A/C anymore than he could become the next president of the United States.

And why not? In the hypothetical example, his name did calculate to 666 in the "A=6 premise" system. So, if that is the correct system to use, then why would he NOT be a candidate for the Antichrist?

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There is a "Father", a "Son", and a "Holy Spirit" in the original. I propose that the counterfeit has a "father - Satan", a "son - anti/christ", and "holy spirit - computer".

I agree that the counterfeit, Satanic/worldly system, will have an "unholy trinity". How you arrive at the idea that the computer, or computers, will be the "anti- Holy Spirit", I have no idea. Traditionally, and as makes by far the most sense, it has been understood that the "unholy Trinity" will consist of three persons, just like the Trinity consists of three Persons (which makes me think that perhaps you believe that the Holy Spirit is not a Person, given your "association" of Him, by contrast, with computers). The "unholy Trinity" will be Satan (anti- God the Father), the Antichrist (anti- Christ), and the False Prophet (anti - Holy Spirit). Consider, as well, that one of the functions of the Holy Spirit is to exalt Jesus - computers are neutral; an actual person as the False Prophet, on the other hand, could (and will) mock this function of the Holy Spirit very directly by exalting the Antichrist.

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Per this premise, the original has 3-attributes, and the counterfeit will have 3-attributes.

Yes, but you are seeing "3-attributes" in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system when it does not have them. I already pointed out to you that you were mistaken in thinking that "Ronald Wilson Reagan" has "3 attributes" regarding 666, in that "6" appears 3 times in relation to that name, but 666 does not, and "Ronald Wilson Reagan" apparently does not calculate to 666 (at least in the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system).

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That's how counterfeiting works, it tries to look like the original.

Exactly. Which is another reason why the "holy spirit - computer" scenario doesn't work, because computers do not "look like" how the Holy Spirit operates and functions, particularly in His relation to Jesus.

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3.) And if you don't mind, as I understand the significance of -riddles-, yours really isn't one if scripture is the basis.

It absolutely is a riddle. And it is based on Scripture far more than the "6-based Alpha-numeric" system. And it is valid, and has Biblical support.

Of course, if you don't wish to play the game, and try to solve the riddle, that's fine. If you are curious as to what it involves, and what the clue is, feel free to ask me in private.



Hey Godsword,
You must be Sicilian.
1. I agree that a "John Wilber Smith" could be statistical candidate for the A/C. The odds are probably in the 1 x 10 -10 range. At this pont wouldn't you prefer to place your money on a person with better odds? Say, 99% chance, with this candidate preferably a Jew, and in a political position to receive that role?
2. Once again you are correct in that "Ronald" "Wilson" "Reagan" does not have 3-attributes. And there are other "candidate" nominees in a similar single-attribute circumstance. All these single-attribute candidates are inherent failures.
3. NO counterfeit is as perfect as the original. Thus the REAL Holy Spirit is everywhere at once; but the counterfeit computer can only try to emulate being everywhere at once. And yes, the letters c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r (using the A=6 system) does add up to 666.
4. This question is based upon the "un-holy trinity" scenario which you apparently anticipate: Does your proposed A/C candidate have two other attributes, such that all three entities have a "666" association?

NEVER argue with a Sicilian,*
DaDad

* Taken from "The Princess Bride"
Godsword
DaDad,

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1. I agree that a "John Wilber Smith" could be statistical candidate for the A/C. The odds are probably in the 1 x 10 -10 range. At this pont wouldn't you prefer to place your money on a person with better odds? Say, 99% chance, with this candidate preferably a Jew, and in a political position to receive that role?

Goodness me - it was just an example, attempting to emphasize a very particular point about the "bases". I find it hard to believe that you might have better understood my point if I had chosen a fictional Jewish name instead of "John Wilbur Smith" - I mean, come on, both the name and individual are FICTIONAL. Maybe if I had created a fictionalized account of how "John Wilbur Smith" was actually 100% Jewish, and had risen through the world's political ranks in exactly the manner suggested in the Bible, you could have focused on the relevant point, instead of being distracted by irrelevant and imaginary "probabilities".

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3. NO counterfeit is as perfect as the original.

Of course not. But imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, right?

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Thus the REAL Holy Spirit is everywhere at once; but the counterfeit computer can only try to emulate being everywhere at once.

Correct. Except that the REAL Holy Spirit exalts Jesus and does not promote Himself, something which would be rather silly to think that the "counterfeit computer" could or would "counterfeit". A BETTER counterfeit would be...oh, let's see...an actual PERSON who has supernatural powers while in the Satan-possessed Antichrist's presence, and who exalts the Antichrist rather than himself. Not a "perfect" counterfeit, but a much, MUCH better one than a mere "computer system". And let's not forget the direct association of an "unholy trinity" in the Bible itself, in the Book of Revelation, when it describes Satan ultimately being cast into the Lake of Fire, "where the Beast and the False Prophet are". Unless you would propose that the False Prophet is a computer system, I should think that this verse itself clears up the identity of the "unholy trinity", and identifies them as three personal beings.

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And yes, the letters c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r (using the A=6 system) does add up to 666.

Zounds. And that is significant, why? Begorah, the letters c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r (using the A=7 system) add up to 777. Therefore, computers are holy instruments of God, too? You really can't seem to understand that there is absolutely no Scriptural reason or justification for using a "6-based Alpha-numeric" system to calculate the Antichrist's name, nor why it's invalid from the get-go. And I've explained myself so patiently, carefully, and clearly in this, too.

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4. This question is based upon the "un-holy trinity" scenario which you apparently anticipate: Does your proposed A/C candidate have two other attributes, such that all three entities have a "666" association?

I'm still not clear what you would consider "other attributes, such that all three entities have a '666' association". On the other hand, you yourself have yet to "play" the riddle game I gave. Perhaps I should wait until you do so, and then I could answer your questions more correctly and appropriately.

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You must be Sicilian.

No, never have been, and don't plan to be. I have reason to believe, though, that God considers my middle name to be "Westley".


DaDad
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[font=Times New Roman]DaDad,

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1. I agree that a "John Wilber Smith" could be statistical candidate for the A/C. The odds are probably in the 1 x 10 -10 range. At this pont wouldn't you prefer to place your money on a person with better odds? Say, 99% chance, with this candidate preferably a Jew, and in a political position to receive that role?

Goodness me - it was just an example, attempting to emphasize a very particular point about the "bases". I find it hard to believe that you might have better understood my point if I had chosen a fictional Jewish name instead of "John Wilbur Smith" - I mean, come on, both the name and individual are FICTIONAL. Maybe if I had created a fictionalized account of how "John Wilbur Smith" was actually 100% Jewish, and had risen through the world's political ranks in exactly the manner suggested in the Bible, you could have focused on the relevant point, instead of being distracted by irrelevant and imaginary "probabilities".


Hi Godsword,
You ARE Sicilian, aren't you... laugh.gif
DaDad
Godsword
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Hi Godsword,
You ARE Sicilian, aren't you... laugh.gif
DaDad

Hi DaDad,
No, I am NOT Sicilian... dry.gif Are you having difficulty addressing my refutations of your claims?
Godsword

DaDad
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Hi DaDad,
No, I am NOT Sicilian... dry.gif Are you having difficulty addressing my refutations of your claims?
Godsword


Hi Godsword,
#4. This question is based upon the "un-holy trinity" scenario which you apparently anticipate: Does your proposed A/C candidate have two other attributes, such that all three entities have a "666" association?
DaDad
Godsword
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QUOTE(Godsword @ Feb 10 2008, 02:05 PM) [snapback]148746[/snapback]

Hi DaDad,
No, I am NOT Sicilian... dry.gif Are you having difficulty addressing my refutations of your claims?
Godsword


Hi Godsword,
#4. This question is based upon the "un-holy trinity" scenario which you apparently anticipate: Does your proposed A/C candidate have two other attributes, such that all three entities have a "666" association?
DaDad


I will take that as a "Yes":
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I'm still not clear what you would consider "other attributes, such that all three entities have a '666' association". On the other hand, you yourself have yet to "play" the riddle game I gave. Perhaps I should wait until you do so, and then I could answer your questions more correctly and appropriately.
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