Christian-Forum.net > Armegeddon. When And Where?

carmineb

Oct 19 2004, 07:53 PM

Thought I would throw this one out to all....

When we study bible prophecy, it isn't a shot in the dark and it ought not be guesswork... prophecy, not unlike foundational studies, requires scripture interpreting scripture....

with prophecy, however, way way way too much private interpretation, I means stuff that is so foreign in technique and study tot he bible, I wonder where some of that stuff comes from.... (I know many share this feeling so I am preaching to the choir)

The study of Armgegeddon is also, similar... How much do we really know of Armeggedonm?

What is the "theories" we find out there? WEll, God brings all the nations against israel and before Israel hsa a chance to fight, Chrsit comes and destroyes al the enemies in the plain of MEgiddo... The jews are coverted immediately and ussher in a new millenium of 1000 yaears, fulfilling first century expectation that the kingdom would be an earthly kingdom and the jews would proseletyze the world....

Basically and simply, this is the essense...

I will post some insights I feel more exactly represents the last battle(s), who the players are and what bible patterns are we to look for in understanding what, why, when and where....

Gotta run to family right now, will catch up soon on this...

God Bless...

CArmine

hoaryhead

Jul 2 2005, 01:05 PM

Armageddon Finished AD 1918 & AD 1923.
The Euphrates River, and Megiddo, and the Great City (Istanbul) had all been within the borders of the Ottoman Empire since AD 1453.
For this reason, Matthew Poole, AD 1680, forecast the Fall of the Ottoman Empire [AD 1918] to be Armageddon.
Albert Barnes, 1851, concurred with Poole, and Robert Fleming (AD 1701), but added that Armageddon is now! This was because Greece had been partly liberated (1820-30), and Egypt had declared their independence from the Sultan in Istanbul.
B. W. Johnson, AD 1881, concurred with these men, and added; Russia had freed Bosnia and Serbia, and had conquered territories on the Black Sea.
The Ottomans surrendered on October 29, 1918.
These men were right.
hoaryhead

meekness

Jul 2 2005, 02:42 PM

QUOTE(hoaryhead @ Jul 2 2005, 12:05 PM)

Armageddon Finished AD 1918 & AD 1923.
The Euphrates River, and Megiddo, and the Great City (Istanbul) had all been within the borders of the Ottoman Empire since AD 1453.
For this reason, Matthew Poole, AD 1680, forecast the Fall of the Ottoman Empire [AD 1918] to be Armageddon.
Albert Barnes, 1851, concurred with Poole, and Robert Fleming (AD 1701), but added that Armageddon is now! This was because Greece had been partly liberated (1820-30), and Egypt had declared their independence from the Sultan in Istanbul.
B. W. Johnson, AD 1881, concurred with these men, and added; Russia had freed Bosnia and Serbia, and had conquered territories on the Black Sea.
The Ottomans surrendered on October 29, 1918.
These men were right.
hoaryhead
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but, isn't the battle of Armageddon a battle that Christ fights? If Christ fights at the battle of Armageddon, then that battle has not occured yet. Why datings of 1918???

meekness

ishtob

Jul 2 2005, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(meekness @ Jul 2 2005, 02:42 PM)

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but, isn't the battle of Armageddon a battle that Christ fights? If Christ fights at the battle of Armageddon, then that battle has not occured yet. Why datings of 1918???

meekness
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That's right meekness. Armageddon has not come... yet!

~Ish

hoaryhead

Jul 3 2005, 09:55 AM

Reply to Ishtob & Meekness; "Jesus will come."
1) The Lord said 6 times, "I come quickly."
Why don't you believe it? [O, you of little faith!]
2) Jesus is not to be remembered as "in the flesh" (2 Cor 5.16).
Why don'y you believe it? [O, you of little faith!]
3) Jesus came in the Spirit by "Hour of Judgment" (AD 1870; Rev 14.7), and by "one Woe" (AD 632; Rev 9.12), and by "Salvation" (AD 312; Rev 12.10).
4) Jesus also came in the Spirit at Armageddon (AD 1918; Rev 16.15).
Try not to deny any of these Scriptures; especially, 2 Cor 5.16.
hoaryhead

ishtob

Jul 3 2005, 02:54 PM

You do not understand the scriptures!

Those who know the Lord do understand, and

...now rejoice in [their] sufferings... , and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in [their] flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Col 1:24

1Cr 11:
23... the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

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2Cr 4:
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
...
13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

panarikn

Sep 9 2005, 01:25 AM

[quote=carmineb,Oct 19 2004, 08:53 PM]
Thought I would throw this one out to all....

When we study bible prophecy, it isn't a shot in the dark and it ought not be guesswork... prophecy, not unlike foundational studies, requires scripture interpreting scripture....

with prophecy, however, way way way too much private interpretation, I means stuff that is so foreign in technique and study tot he bible, I wonder where some of that stuff comes from.... (I know many share this feeling so I am preaching to the choir)

The study of Armgegeddon is also, similar... How much do we really know of Armeggedonm?

What is the "theories" we find out there? WEll, God brings all the nations against israel and before Israel hsa a chance to fight, Chrsit comes and destroyes al the enemies in

Zephaniah

Nov 7 2005, 11:45 PM

Actually if you read scriptures well, you'll see that the war is not fought in Megiddo. It's just a location where armies gather before they march towards Jeruslaem where the final battle will actually take place

"And they assembled them at the place which is called in Hebrew Armageddon" (Revelation 16:16 RSV).

Leia

Nov 8 2005, 01:03 AM

QUOTE(hoaryhead @ Jul 3 2005, 08:55 AM)

Reply to Ishtob & Meekness; "Jesus will come."
1) The Lord said 6 times, "I come quickly."
Why don't you believe it? [O, you of little faith!]
2) Jesus is not to be remembered as "in the flesh" (2 Cor 5.16).
Why don'y you believe it? [O, you of little faith!]
3) Jesus came in the Spirit by "Hour of Judgment" (AD 1870; Rev 14.7), and by "one Woe" (AD 632; Rev 9.12), and by "Salvation" (AD 312; Rev 12.10).
4) Jesus also came in the Spirit at Armageddon (AD 1918; Rev 16.15).
Try not to deny any of these Scriptures; especially, 2 Cor 5.16.
hoaryhead
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What happened to Satan then? Where's my 1,000 years without him? I was kind of look forward to that.

leia

carmineb

Dec 12 2005, 09:24 AM

I never got this out to all, sorry, I'll find the study I had written on it and repost I lost the link to this website and just found it thru accident thru googling something else.

The last battle is found outside the city gates of JErusalem.......

The antichrist ARMIES are the ZIONIST JEWISH ARMIES

And these arimies fight middle eastern countries.

The battle in the valley of Jehoshaphat is the pattern we are given in scripture of how it occurs.

Ahaz, the military ruler took jewish armies who did NOT have faith in God and went to battle against the syrian armies. God caused BOTH ARMIES TO COMPLETELY be devistated and killed, BOTH........ Only those who remained with Jehoshaphat and had faith in God for deliverance did not participate...

9and yo wonder why Chrsit said he who fights by the sword will die by the sword) and many of you all think God is flying jets for the jewish nation.

the jewish nation fulfills the type for the military contigency that left Babylon BEFORE CYRUS (the type for Christ) came to release the jews from BAbylon. The entire jewish military contigency died and were destroyed. This contigency that is called the state of israel fights miltarily and forgot about God...

They will die in the valley outside jerusalem called the valley of decision, the valley of gehenna.......

It is in that quardrant that the battle occurs......

If I find th study, I'll post it in it's entirety because it is important to recognize this.....

paulphelps

Apr 7 2006, 02:51 PM

Hello.

My general thought on the Revelation plagues is that they ALL are from God, not from Satan. They are His war on the antichrist empire of earth, a continuation of the war following Satan's defeat in heaven (Rev. 12). The Armageddon war is in this category, it is God's finalizing war against the antichrist army in the mid-east.

This being so, it means that the military forces are ordered of God and are directly serving His purposes. This affects the interpretation of the plague prophecies.

(The plagues in Chapter 9 must not be the same as the plague of Rev. 16:12 because the Chapter 9 plague descriptions are mechanized or robotic devices.)

The Armageddon army is human because they are described as 'kings' from the rising of the sun; (this army is not numbered). The fact that God opens the river before them indicates that they are in fact HIS army, sent to destroy the antichrist army which at that time is patrolling the middle-east region.

As for the idea that China is not a Christian country, don't be too sure. As fast as the West is losing Christian belief China is getting into it. More than 10% of China is Christian. There are now more than a hundred million believers in China (the largest body of Christians in the world) -and this is growing by a million a month! Remember too that the West was not Christian ..until the Gospel harvest came.

I have a brief essay on Armageddon at http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/arm.htm
giving another interpretation of the word "Armageddon." Have a look.

Blessings, Paul Phelps

Miki

Apr 7 2006, 02:57 PM

I looked for your testimony over there but didn't see it?

Messiahiscoming

Apr 7 2006, 05:27 PM

QUOTE(paulphelps @ Apr 7 2006, 01:51 PM)

Hello.

My general thought on the Revelation plagues is that they ALL are from God, not from Satan. They are His war on the antichrist empire of earth, a continuation of the war following Satan's defeat in heaven (Rev. 12). The Armageddon war is in this category, it is God's finalizing war against the antichrist army in the mid-east.

This being so, it means that the military forces are ordered of God and are directly serving His purposes. This affects the interpretation of the plague prophecies.

(The plagues in Chapter 9 must not be the same as the plague of Rev. 16:12 because the Chapter 9 plague descriptions are mechanized or robotic devices.)

The Armageddon army is human because they are described as 'kings' from the rising of the sun; (this army is not numbered). The fact that God opens the river before them indicates that they are in fact HIS army, sent to destroy the antichrist army which at that time is patrolling the middle-east region.

As for the idea that China is not a Christian country, don't be too sure. As fast as the West is losing Christian belief China is getting into it. More than 10% of China is Christian. There are now more than a hundred million believers in China (the largest body of Christians in the world) -and this is growing by a million a month! Remember too that the West was not Christian ..until the Gospel harvest came.

I have a brief essay on Armageddon at http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/arm.htm
giving another interpretation of the word "Armageddon." Have a look.

Blessings, Paul Phelps
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I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed reading from your site! I have not had a chance to read all of your essays but I did read the one about Armageddon and also the one on "The Jewel Stones of Israels 12 Tribes" That was very interesting. You made some very good observations concerning the positions of the Tribes and the Gates of the New Jerusalem. I am looking forward to reading some of your other post. Thanks for sharing your site.

I also have a question. Do you think that Ezekiel 38 & 39 is a different war than Armageddon? I have heard some that believe it is a different war and some say it is the same.

This verses in Ezekiel and Revelation seem to parallel, seems to point to the same event.

Ezekiel 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured" /

Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; /

Ezekiel 39:18 & 19 Ye shall eat the flest of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth , of rams, of lambbs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. 19. And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrifieced for you. /

Rev. 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

I would like to know anyones opinion on this.

Your Friend in Christ,
Valerie

Messiahiscoming

Miki

Apr 8 2006, 07:12 AM

I've considered that it might be a seven year campaign beginning with Ez. (limited nuclear exchange) and ending in Armageddon.

Messiahiscoming

Apr 9 2006, 12:44 AM

QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 8 2006, 06:12 AM)

I've considered that it might be a seven year campaign beginning with Ez. (limited nuclear exchange) and ending in Armageddon.
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Yes I've considered this as well because of verse 9 of chapter 39. (Burning the weapons for 7 years). You know whats crazy is that its going to take 7 months to bury the dead. Thats a long time when really think about it.

Thanks,
Val

Messiahiscoming

Charlie

Apr 9 2006, 04:57 AM

All of the anti-christ army falls in the valley of slaughter or the valley of the son of hinom. Christ will move His camps of believers into that general area by His true shepherds just before He returns from the sky. Those who have been sealed for destruction by the abomination of desolation will have just begun to attack the camps when the Lord will appear from the Lightning that shines from the east to the west and with Him His army of saints that were resurrected and caught up in that lightning in that moment in that twinkling of an eye.

Charlie