Genesis 48:16
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
Genesis 48:19
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Rev. 7:4-13
And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:
[5] of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
[6] of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
[7] of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
[8] of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.
[9] After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, [10] and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" [11] All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, [12] saying:
"Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen."
[13] Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
All nations of the earth shall be blessed in Abraham though Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit Amen
Full Version: Isreal Will Become A Multitude Of Nations
Amen Gary Steed
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Charlie
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Charlie
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Amen Gary Steed
14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Charlie
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14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Charlie
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The blessing of Ephraim is the key to this prophecy there are two names missing from the twelve tribs in reverlation Dan is one and Ephraim the other, and Jacob/Isreal says that Ephraim will become a multitude of nations, and His name of Isreal will be upon them.
Halaloo and prase the Lord
The royal priesthood will come out of every nation tribe and tongue and the subjects of the kingdom will come out of every nation tribe and tongue.
Revelation 5
9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 7
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Charlie
Revelation 5
9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."
Revelation 7
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Charlie
And so should Ephraim be the Christians? Or USA and Great Britian proper?
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 10 2006, 06:15 PM)
And so should Ephraim be the Christians? Or USA and Great Britian proper?
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sorry Miki i dont understand fully what your saying pm me if you like
Love
Gary
ps what are you thinking by usa and Great Britain proper?
I've been learning about the birthright blessing and scepter rulership, which went to Judah...because Ruben the oldest had an affair..
The scepter blessing or kingship blessing was suppose to last until Shilo comes...That would be Jesus in our book...(but l did wonder if it was until Jesus came the first time or was meant until Jesus came the second time) because that would make a spiritual legal difference in Israel today.
But Ephraim, youngest son of Joseph, received the birthright blessing, and became the Northern Kingdom with it's capital Samaria. Manasseh a smaller portion of the same blessing.
The birthright blessing was an everlasting blessing. And Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations which would have to be more than Israel today. (as it's an everlasting blessing) Manasseh was to become a great people and nation (singular) What l was reading is that the word for nations used in this context of the blessing of Ephraim was 'gowy' which meant foreign nation...Part of that is his wife was Egyptian but it was also used in future pretext.
And so after Assyarian captivity they didn't all go back. In fact it says, 44,000 went back levi Judah Benjamin and some gentiles...
Where did the rest go. So since a birthright blessing is eternal where are they?
Are they the USA and Britian? Certainly blessed countries... And Christian at the root. Ephraim and Manasseh where part gentile so that portion was adopted in.
Manasseh could be anybody but what about Ephraim?
Also the double portion blessing seems significant...Makes me think of the double portion Elisha got when Elijah left...confusing but l've got a little hold on it. God will continue to show me...
The scepter blessing or kingship blessing was suppose to last until Shilo comes...That would be Jesus in our book...(but l did wonder if it was until Jesus came the first time or was meant until Jesus came the second time) because that would make a spiritual legal difference in Israel today.
But Ephraim, youngest son of Joseph, received the birthright blessing, and became the Northern Kingdom with it's capital Samaria. Manasseh a smaller portion of the same blessing.
The birthright blessing was an everlasting blessing. And Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations which would have to be more than Israel today. (as it's an everlasting blessing) Manasseh was to become a great people and nation (singular) What l was reading is that the word for nations used in this context of the blessing of Ephraim was 'gowy' which meant foreign nation...Part of that is his wife was Egyptian but it was also used in future pretext.
And so after Assyarian captivity they didn't all go back. In fact it says, 44,000 went back levi Judah Benjamin and some gentiles...
Where did the rest go. So since a birthright blessing is eternal where are they?
Are they the USA and Britian? Certainly blessed countries... And Christian at the root. Ephraim and Manasseh where part gentile so that portion was adopted in.
Manasseh could be anybody but what about Ephraim?
Also the double portion blessing seems significant...Makes me think of the double portion Elisha got when Elijah left...confusing but l've got a little hold on it. God will continue to show me...
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 11 2006, 05:35 AM)
I've been learning about the birthright blessing and scepter rulership, which went to Judah...because Ruben the oldest had an affair..
The scepter blessing or kingship blessing was suppose to last until Shilo comes...That would be Jesus in our book...(but l did wonder if it was until Jesus came the first time or was meant until Jesus came the second time) because that would make a spiritual legal difference in Israel today.
But Ephraim, youngest son of Joseph, received the birthright blessing, and became the Northern Kingdom with it's capital Samaria. Manasseh a smaller portion of the same blessing.
The birthright blessing was an everlasting blessing. And Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations which would have to be more than Israel today. (as it's an everlasting blessing) Manasseh was to become a great people and nation (singular) What l was reading is that the word for nations used in this context of the blessing of Ephraim was 'gowy' which meant foreign nation...Part of that is his wife was Egyptian but it was also used in future pretext.
And so after Assyarian captivity they didn't all go back. In fact it says, 44,000 went back levi Judah Benjamin and some gentiles...
Where did the rest go. So since a birthright blessing is eternal where are they?
Are they the USA and Britian? Certainly blessed countries... And Christian at the root. Ephraim and Manasseh where part gentile so that portion was adopted in.
Manasseh could be anybody but what about Ephraim?
Also the double portion blessing seems significant...Makes me think of the double portion Elisha got when Elijah left...confusing but l've got a little hold on it. God will continue to show me...
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The scepter blessing or kingship blessing was suppose to last until Shilo comes...That would be Jesus in our book...(but l did wonder if it was until Jesus came the first time or was meant until Jesus came the second time) because that would make a spiritual legal difference in Israel today.
But Ephraim, youngest son of Joseph, received the birthright blessing, and became the Northern Kingdom with it's capital Samaria. Manasseh a smaller portion of the same blessing.
The birthright blessing was an everlasting blessing. And Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations which would have to be more than Israel today. (as it's an everlasting blessing) Manasseh was to become a great people and nation (singular) What l was reading is that the word for nations used in this context of the blessing of Ephraim was 'gowy' which meant foreign nation...Part of that is his wife was Egyptian but it was also used in future pretext.
And so after Assyarian captivity they didn't all go back. In fact it says, 44,000 went back levi Judah Benjamin and some gentiles...
Where did the rest go. So since a birthright blessing is eternal where are they?
Are they the USA and Britian? Certainly blessed countries... And Christian at the root. Ephraim and Manasseh where part gentile so that portion was adopted in.
Manasseh could be anybody but what about Ephraim?
Also the double portion blessing seems significant...Makes me think of the double portion Elisha got when Elijah left...confusing but l've got a little hold on it. God will continue to show me...
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Miki your a love
yes the info you are sifting is of the right direction but it all has to fit together in the right way to be of truly valuble nature
With the aid of the Holy Spirit i will do my best to exsplane some of what iv been shown and by comparison of what you see and what i see it will find its corect place and overall meaning
The blessings of Jacob are more prophetic than is realized and is a good place to start. if we use Reuben as an example, just as being Jacobs first born and what he was guilty of was adultery with one of the made servants and he was penilized in his blessing (week as water and shall not exsel)
moving on but conected with Reuben
Exodus 4:22-23
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the Lord: "Israel is My son, My firstborn. [23] So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn." ' "
so above we see the Lord through Moses calling Isreal as a whole His firstborn, and relativly to Jacobs firstborn Reuben, God likends the combind people of Isreal as his firstborn and indeed they follow the pattern of Reuben>
while Moses is up the moutain this people end up making the golden calf, so just as Reuben commits adultery sexualy these people commit spiritual adultery,
so God keep this generation wandering around the wilderness until they all die but for two men
so that generation does not get to cross over the jordan, as per the instructoins in the blessing of Reuben (week as water you shall not exsel) as history shows they did not exsel parst the river Jorden
so what we can conclude is that God is useing Reuben THe man as a symbal of an equiverlent enlargement of the same, also with a time limit as to its life span
so the enlarged Reuben dies in the wildernes, but those who were born out of Reuben become the Lords equiverlent of Jacobs son Simeom
when Jacob came and lived in shechem his daughter Dina was defiled by him
so Simeon and Levi conspired together to kill all the mails in the city of shechem
likewise the enlarged simeon of God who crossed the jordan battled his way through the promised land and later Levi growing out of Simeon
so if i say think of a qube 1 inch sqare and another 10 inch sqare they are both qubes but one is bigger than the other. and finding out what God is up to depends on how large he exspand the mesure. He has left us clues to follow they are both simple and complex and they only fit together in a precice way
just anothe example 50 year jubalee the generations from Adan to Josiah are 49
looking back we find that as soon as Josiah is killed and the next generation becomes king within tree months the kingdom of Judah starts to suffer all those who are made king in Judah after Josiah are of the 50th generation untill they go into captivity to babilon
my point is God uses a 50 year jubalee and a 50 generation. so what happend back then may well still have a relervence in our day and the future depending on how things are exsanded
anyway chew this over and when your ready let me know your thought and we can try for a little more
much love
Gary
Hi Gary,Thanks for your insights...In still putting the basics together...The tribes can be confusing but l'm getting there. I'm still thinking of that irrevocable birthright
blessing of Ephraim...Anyway,
Chew chew chew....
This makes sense:
"....It was the northern ten tribes of Ephraim (the House of Joseph) which were taken into captivity by the Assyrians and led away into the countries of the north. But the House of Judas was taken into Babylon and into Egypt where they remained until after the Babylonian Captivity and some returned to Judah (the Holy Land) while many continued in Babylon and Egypt and became mighty peoples in those areas. The people of Judah were always much closer to Jerusalem and the Holy Land than were those of Ephraim (the House of Joseph). But in the time of James (the half brother of our Lord), he directed his epistle to all the twelve tribes who were located in the dispersion (James 1:1). The apostle Paul was well aware of the location of all twelve tribes of Israel which were in his time scattered in various countries around the Mediterranean and the Parthian Empire. According to Paul they all were praying to the God of Abraham and keeping as best they could the teachings of Israel (Acts 26:6,7).
In no way, were the early British people the "lost ten tribes of Israel." We have written information that proves dogmatically that the House of Joseph (that is, those of Ephraim and Manasseh and the other ten tribes) were not lost to other Israelites in the time of James and Paul, and they were not then reckoned as heathen peoples who no longer knew the laws of Moses and were living in the British Isles awaiting to be discovered at the end of the age. The so-called "British/Israel Theory" (that the British, white Americans with many northwestern Europeans are modern descendants of the "lost ten tribes of Israel") is pure nonsense. I have studied this matter extensively and have found conclusively that the theory is sadly wanting in historical or biblical teaching.
The simple truth is, there have always been two major divisions within the people of Israel: those of the House of Joseph who were taken primarily into the north quarters from the Holy Land and never returned, and those of the House of Judah who did return to the Holy Land (or always in close contact with Canaan even though they lived in Babylon, Egypt or in North Mrica or Spain). These latter people became more mixed with native races (often Arabic or Edomite peoples) than those of the House of Joseph who found themselves in the north quarters from the Holy Land. Note that in the Book of Esther we find that many native peoples of the Persian Empire became Jews (they mixed with the Jews in Babylon, Judaea and Egypt) at the death of Haman. As the Holy Scriptures state: "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them" (Esther 8:17)....
http://askelm.com/prophecy/p911201.htm
"....It was the northern ten tribes of Ephraim (the House of Joseph) which were taken into captivity by the Assyrians and led away into the countries of the north. But the House of Judas was taken into Babylon and into Egypt where they remained until after the Babylonian Captivity and some returned to Judah (the Holy Land) while many continued in Babylon and Egypt and became mighty peoples in those areas. The people of Judah were always much closer to Jerusalem and the Holy Land than were those of Ephraim (the House of Joseph). But in the time of James (the half brother of our Lord), he directed his epistle to all the twelve tribes who were located in the dispersion (James 1:1). The apostle Paul was well aware of the location of all twelve tribes of Israel which were in his time scattered in various countries around the Mediterranean and the Parthian Empire. According to Paul they all were praying to the God of Abraham and keeping as best they could the teachings of Israel (Acts 26:6,7).
In no way, were the early British people the "lost ten tribes of Israel." We have written information that proves dogmatically that the House of Joseph (that is, those of Ephraim and Manasseh and the other ten tribes) were not lost to other Israelites in the time of James and Paul, and they were not then reckoned as heathen peoples who no longer knew the laws of Moses and were living in the British Isles awaiting to be discovered at the end of the age. The so-called "British/Israel Theory" (that the British, white Americans with many northwestern Europeans are modern descendants of the "lost ten tribes of Israel") is pure nonsense. I have studied this matter extensively and have found conclusively that the theory is sadly wanting in historical or biblical teaching.
The simple truth is, there have always been two major divisions within the people of Israel: those of the House of Joseph who were taken primarily into the north quarters from the Holy Land and never returned, and those of the House of Judah who did return to the Holy Land (or always in close contact with Canaan even though they lived in Babylon, Egypt or in North Mrica or Spain). These latter people became more mixed with native races (often Arabic or Edomite peoples) than those of the House of Joseph who found themselves in the north quarters from the Holy Land. Note that in the Book of Esther we find that many native peoples of the Persian Empire became Jews (they mixed with the Jews in Babylon, Judaea and Egypt) at the death of Haman. As the Holy Scriptures state: "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them" (Esther 8:17)....
http://askelm.com/prophecy/p911201.htm
Here's the prophecy:
"And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man [this is the Ashkenazi Jews], and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the Lord. I will hiss for them [Ephraim and Judah as a keeper does his bees], and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase [again] as they have [once] increased. And I will sow them among the people [of the Holy Land]: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again [to God and his laws]. I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt [Judah], and gather them out of Assyria [Ephraim]; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them [they will overflow the lands]. And I will strengthen them in the Lord; and they shall walk up and down [in all the Holy Land] in his name, saith the Lord."
Zechariah 10:7-12.
Which the same said guy as above says happens before the 2nd advent.
"And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man [this is the Ashkenazi Jews], and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yea, their children shall see it, and be glad; their heart shall rejoice in the Lord. I will hiss for them [Ephraim and Judah as a keeper does his bees], and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase [again] as they have [once] increased. And I will sow them among the people [of the Holy Land]: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again [to God and his laws]. I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt [Judah], and gather them out of Assyria [Ephraim]; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them [they will overflow the lands]. And I will strengthen them in the Lord; and they shall walk up and down [in all the Holy Land] in his name, saith the Lord."
Zechariah 10:7-12.
Which the same said guy as above says happens before the 2nd advent.
Then this guy goeson to state:
"...Besides that, the Bible also shows that there will be a Palestinian State. It will not occupy the West Bank of Judah or Samaria, but it will be in the area of Ashkelon, Ashdod and the Gaza Strip. These areas were always Philistine territories (even at the height of the Solomonic Empire) and they are destined, according to prophecy, to be in the hands of the Philistines (that is, the Palestinians) just before the Second Advent. See Psalm 83. Those ten nations mentioned in Psalm 83 will equal the ten nations mentioned in the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation. There are some momentous times just ahead of us in the Middle East. And what will happen there will influence the political, social and religious events even in Europe, the Americas and the rest of the world. Let us keep our eyes on the Middle East. The prophecies of the Bible are soon to be further fulfilled for the whole world to see".
Ernest L. Martin
"...Besides that, the Bible also shows that there will be a Palestinian State. It will not occupy the West Bank of Judah or Samaria, but it will be in the area of Ashkelon, Ashdod and the Gaza Strip. These areas were always Philistine territories (even at the height of the Solomonic Empire) and they are destined, according to prophecy, to be in the hands of the Philistines (that is, the Palestinians) just before the Second Advent. See Psalm 83. Those ten nations mentioned in Psalm 83 will equal the ten nations mentioned in the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation. There are some momentous times just ahead of us in the Middle East. And what will happen there will influence the political, social and religious events even in Europe, the Americas and the rest of the world. Let us keep our eyes on the Middle East. The prophecies of the Bible are soon to be further fulfilled for the whole world to see".
Ernest L. Martin
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 11 2006, 01:49 PM)
This makes sense:
"....It was the northern ten tribes of Ephraim (the House of Joseph) which were taken into captivity by the Assyrians and led away into the countries of the north. But the House of Judas was taken into Babylon and into Egypt where they remained until after the Babylonian Captivity and some returned to Judah (the Holy Land) while many continued in Babylon and Egypt and became mighty peoples in those areas. The people of Judah were always much closer to Jerusalem and the Holy Land than were those of Ephraim (the House of Joseph). But in the time of James (the half brother of our Lord), he directed his epistle to all the twelve tribes who were located in the dispersion (James 1:1). The apostle Paul was well aware of the location of all twelve tribes of Israel which were in his time scattered in various countries around the Mediterranean and the Parthian Empire. According to Paul they all were praying to the God of Abraham and keeping as best they could the teachings of Israel (Acts 26:6,7).
In no way, were the early British people the "lost ten tribes of Israel." We have written information that proves dogmatically that the House of Joseph (that is, those of Ephraim and Manasseh and the other ten tribes) were not lost to other Israelites in the time of James and Paul, and they were not then reckoned as heathen peoples who no longer knew the laws of Moses and were living in the British Isles awaiting to be discovered at the end of the age. The so-called "British/Israel Theory" (that the British, white Americans with many northwestern Europeans are modern descendants of the "lost ten tribes of Israel") is pure nonsense. I have studied this matter extensively and have found conclusively that the theory is sadly wanting in historical or biblical teaching.
The simple truth is, there have always been two major divisions within the people of Israel: those of the House of Joseph who were taken primarily into the north quarters from the Holy Land and never returned, and those of the House of Judah who did return to the Holy Land (or always in close contact with Canaan even though they lived in Babylon, Egypt or in North Mrica or Spain). These latter people became more mixed with native races (often Arabic or Edomite peoples) than those of the House of Joseph who found themselves in the north quarters from the Holy Land. Note that in the Book of Esther we find that many native peoples of the Persian Empire became Jews (they mixed with the Jews in Babylon, Judaea and Egypt) at the death of Haman. As the Holy Scriptures state: "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them" (Esther 8:17)....
http://askelm.com/prophecy/p911201.htm
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"....It was the northern ten tribes of Ephraim (the House of Joseph) which were taken into captivity by the Assyrians and led away into the countries of the north. But the House of Judas was taken into Babylon and into Egypt where they remained until after the Babylonian Captivity and some returned to Judah (the Holy Land) while many continued in Babylon and Egypt and became mighty peoples in those areas. The people of Judah were always much closer to Jerusalem and the Holy Land than were those of Ephraim (the House of Joseph). But in the time of James (the half brother of our Lord), he directed his epistle to all the twelve tribes who were located in the dispersion (James 1:1). The apostle Paul was well aware of the location of all twelve tribes of Israel which were in his time scattered in various countries around the Mediterranean and the Parthian Empire. According to Paul they all were praying to the God of Abraham and keeping as best they could the teachings of Israel (Acts 26:6,7).
In no way, were the early British people the "lost ten tribes of Israel." We have written information that proves dogmatically that the House of Joseph (that is, those of Ephraim and Manasseh and the other ten tribes) were not lost to other Israelites in the time of James and Paul, and they were not then reckoned as heathen peoples who no longer knew the laws of Moses and were living in the British Isles awaiting to be discovered at the end of the age. The so-called "British/Israel Theory" (that the British, white Americans with many northwestern Europeans are modern descendants of the "lost ten tribes of Israel") is pure nonsense. I have studied this matter extensively and have found conclusively that the theory is sadly wanting in historical or biblical teaching.
The simple truth is, there have always been two major divisions within the people of Israel: those of the House of Joseph who were taken primarily into the north quarters from the Holy Land and never returned, and those of the House of Judah who did return to the Holy Land (or always in close contact with Canaan even though they lived in Babylon, Egypt or in North Mrica or Spain). These latter people became more mixed with native races (often Arabic or Edomite peoples) than those of the House of Joseph who found themselves in the north quarters from the Holy Land. Note that in the Book of Esther we find that many native peoples of the Persian Empire became Jews (they mixed with the Jews in Babylon, Judaea and Egypt) at the death of Haman. As the Holy Scriptures state: "And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them" (Esther 8:17)....
http://askelm.com/prophecy/p911201.htm
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right i think i see where you are coming from Miki you are looking at the natual Ephraim
Just imagin for a minute that we are abel to take a step back to the past and lern something but to do that we cant carry anything we have lernt or know because trying to conect are understanding from present to past is like trying to dig a great long tunnel and exspecting to come up a the exsact right place
so try and forget and remember no more until you come back, have a look a Josephs Blessing
Genesis 49:22
Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: this is the key verse the well is the wellsprigs of Judah, and the branch that run over the wall is the blessing of Joseph gose in and through Judah
Jesus is like the Joseph of ejypt but the spiritual version so the children Jesus begets are a spiritual Ephraim ans Manasseh this is why Ephraim will become a multitude of nations because they are spiritual children of Christ as Joseph was the most spiritual man among the brothers
does this help Miki
Love
Gary
I'm afraid l understand it in the allegoric quickly and l need to take a step back and see it in the natural so to make sure of the conclusions l'm drawing... 
I know Ephraim and Manasseh are a type of the Gentile nations and Joseph is a type of Jesus...But in ordre to get a fuller understanding of the prophecy l'm stepping back and making sure l know it in the natural so my cart doesn't come ahead of my horse.
When l had a vision of a man in colorful mideastern clothes grab and sweep his young son into his arms the first thing l thought of was Joseph (and l know he is a type of Jesus) But there was no accompanying word.....I couldn't figure out why l would see Joseph as l wasn't involved in any study in that direction. But since then God has been opening up the vision and other things on this forum and is leading me to a prophetic understanding l haven't seen.
But he wants me to understand the tribes and divisions. I'm getting there...
I don't try to figure out what he is trying to show me ahead of time...I just go. He'll open it up in time.
I don't believe he gives a vision just to let me know a fathers love is the same around the world which is what l grappled with when there was no accompaying word....It was the start of something he wants to show.
I know Ephraim and Manasseh are a type of the Gentile nations and Joseph is a type of Jesus...But in ordre to get a fuller understanding of the prophecy l'm stepping back and making sure l know it in the natural so my cart doesn't come ahead of my horse.
When l had a vision of a man in colorful mideastern clothes grab and sweep his young son into his arms the first thing l thought of was Joseph (and l know he is a type of Jesus) But there was no accompanying word.....I couldn't figure out why l would see Joseph as l wasn't involved in any study in that direction. But since then God has been opening up the vision and other things on this forum and is leading me to a prophetic understanding l haven't seen.
But he wants me to understand the tribes and divisions. I'm getting there...
I don't try to figure out what he is trying to show me ahead of time...I just go. He'll open it up in time.
I don't believe he gives a vision just to let me know a fathers love is the same around the world which is what l grappled with when there was no accompaying word....It was the start of something he wants to show.
I believe he wants to show me something about Ephraim.
I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself, Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a calf unaccustomed; turn Thou me, that I may be turned. Is not Ephraim a precious son to Me? is he not a child of delights? For after I have spoken against him, I will surely remember him again (Jer. 31:18, 20).
Now that's something l can recieve on a personal basis right now...but l think he's showing me a picture that is yet unfolding.
Now that's something l can recieve on a personal basis right now...but l think he's showing me a picture that is yet unfolding.
QUOTE(Miki @ Apr 11 2006, 08:13 PM)
I believe he wants to show me something about Ephraim.
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yes im with you the info i gave you is good in its place as with any thing of the prephetic it takes time to distil into its fullness it will most certanly come but with the sereous we need to have a balance and a good sence of humour help or we end up not sleeping LoL
but one note of advice isit is easyer to understand if you begin at the begining then trying to work backwardsmuch love in Jesus
Gary
Tell God that... 
just to continue the exspanded Rueben of God is like in maths we have to borrow and pay back
because the exspanded Reuben is made from all the tribes together, we have to remember that the tribe of Reuben is a smaller unit so what we have is three types of a Reuben
Reuben the man Reuben the tribe Reuben the combined of God
each having a symbolic relation in the prophetic outworkings of GODs plan
because the exspanded Reuben is made from all the tribes together, we have to remember that the tribe of Reuben is a smaller unit so what we have is three types of a Reuben
Reuben the man Reuben the tribe Reuben the combined of God
each having a symbolic relation in the prophetic outworkings of GODs plan
[15:1] After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward." [2] But Abram said, "Lord God, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?" [3] Then Abram said, "Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!" [4] And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, saying, "This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir." [5] Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." [6] And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
[7] Then He said to him, "I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it." [8] And he said, "Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?" [9] So He said to him, "Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon." [10] Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. [11] And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.
[12] Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. [13] Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. [14] And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. [15] Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. [16] But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."
[17] And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
Now this verse
16But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."
this is an indicator that the Generation ment by God here is a thousand years, it is four thousand years since God had made this promise to Abraham
and when they came out of Egypt with Moses it was at least the seventh Generation, Moses being the seventh Generation from Abraham through the tribe of Levi
[7] Then He said to him, "I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it." [8] And he said, "Lord God, how shall I know that I will inherit it?" [9] So He said to him, "Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon." [10] Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. [11] And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.
[12] Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. [13] Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. [14] And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. [15] Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. [16] But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."
[17] And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
Now this verse
16But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."
this is an indicator that the Generation ment by God here is a thousand years, it is four thousand years since God had made this promise to Abraham
and when they came out of Egypt with Moses it was at least the seventh Generation, Moses being the seventh Generation from Abraham through the tribe of Levi
Sorry Gary...This topic has been on the back burner awhile. You lost me back at Ruben...I can't concentrate right now but will be back.
Brothrs/Sisters/Friends:
It has already been fulfilled. The "Remnant" have already appeared and daily give glory to God the Father through His Son, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Can't you see nor hear? Let us walk and live in the Holy Spirit.
It has already been fulfilled. The "Remnant" have already appeared and daily give glory to God the Father through His Son, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Can't you see nor hear? Let us walk and live in the Holy Spirit.
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