Revelation 7:13-17

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

It looks to me like during the tribulation, there will be an issue of hunger, thirst, burning from the sun and heat.

Just for the purpose of discussion, check out Time Magazine's cover story for this week.

Is there a connection perhaps?

Well being put out of society, running from the beast empire, we'll definetly be hiding in the wilderness. Many will die from overheating, plus being outside we'll definetly have some baddd sunburns. Just a thought!

Hi

You are placing that verse out of Context ..............these in white robes are killed in the great tribulation.

This verse is in referrence to this

22: And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23: And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Another discussion could arise from the fact that the earth has a molten core. The more oil, and bitumen, and tar that is removed from the earth, the hotter the earth becomes. I haven't seen the Time Magazine so I would just guess about solar eruptions. These eruprions have been said to effect the communication of the area that is hit by the radiating ions from those eruptions and that would cause confusion among the city forces or aiplanes or whatever. But the worry about hunger and thirst and disease and death is like what is happening now with all of the storms and eathquakes and such, which we can do nothing about; but, we can do something about the food and water that we partake of, that goes in our systems and builds our natural defenses against the diseases. But, we can continue to believe that somebody else knows what is best for us and we can continue to rely on the media to bring us the voices that tickle our ears, but we need to be still and know that God has control and start helping God by helping yourself; God is within you!

Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.


This verse indicates that the the moon will be as bright as the sun, and we get a full weeks full of sunlight in just one day! I looked this up because I kept having dreams about the sun ( and changes in the sun) and an increasing heat and light due to an appearance of another star. The new star is close enough that we get more heat and light. Winter becomes summer. Places where it is summer is scorched with a punishing heat. Also, that the earth begins to rotate counter clock wise, and flips upside down from it's current position. There is war, and I don't know if the new star appears before or after this other incident, ( I believe after) but ww3 puts enough in the atmosphere that the noon day doesn't get any brighter than twilight, and the sky is red, most of the earth looks like a burnt piece of charcoal in space. The new changes makes are part of a new heaven and a new earth, the old being wiped out.

"The Holy Spirit is The Father’s Spirit and not a third person. "

I noticed this subheading under your post and am wondering why you do not believe the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Holy Trinity? Just as water can exist in three states- vapor, liquid and solid ice- God can exist in three forms and still be one God. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to His disciples so they would be filled with the power to preach mightily. Anyone found not having the Holy Spirit indwelling them will not have this power. It is in the Nicean Creed- which is the foundation of Christianity. Only non-Christian cults deny the Godhood of the Holy Spirit. Please refrain from using this blasphemy of the Holy Spirit- for it is unforgiveable. Anything said against the Son of Man will be forgiven in this age, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven in this life or the next.

"God in Three Persons- Blessed Trinity".

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I am curious if you developed this concept on your own or are you part of a group, organization, or religion which teaches it?

P.S. I will research your link- thanks

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I think you and I share similar beliefs on this Jack. I certainly would never say the trinity could never occur, as He is omnipotent. However, I also believe that the Holy Spirit is His spirit that indwells us. Just as I believe He came to earth in the form of Yeshua. And Orates, before you ask, yes, I came to this conclusion on my own, and am member of no church. Although, I did attend for years a church that is trinity believing.

Here is a great reference I found on the Holy Spirit:

The Doctrine of the Trinity (Walter Martin)

The Doctrine of the Trinity teaches that within the unity of the one Godhead there are three separate persons who are coequal in power, nature, and eternity. This doctrine is derived from the clear teaching of Scripture, and is not a man-made doctrine as some have claimed. Let us briefly examine some of the New Testament evidences for this important doctrine.
1. The Incarnation. The birth of the Lord Jesus Christ as described in the accounts in Matthew and Luke show that the doctrine of the Trinity was not a later invention of theologians. Luke records what an angel said to Mary: "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35).
Since other passages of Scripture reveal that the term "Most High" refers to God the Father, we have in Luke a concrete instance of the Holy Spirit, the Father, and the Son all being mentioned together in the supernatural event of the Incarnation.
2. The Baptism of Our Lord. When Jesus Christ was baptized, the heavens opened and the Holy Spirit "descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: 'You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased'" (Luke 3:21-22). In these verses we see the Son being baptized, the Spirit descending upon Him, and the Father bearing testimony.
3. Discourses of Christ. In John 14--16 Christ speaks of the persons of the Trinity in His Upper Room Discourse. Jesus declared to the disciples, "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever -- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you" (John 14:16-17). Our Lord here prays to the Father for the Spirit, and His emphasis on triunity is quite apparent. In John 14:26 and 15:26 Christ uses the same formula, mentioning the three persons of the Deity and indicating their unity, not only of purpose and will but of basic nature.
4. Paul's Letters. The apostle Paul definitely taught the triune nature of God. He wrote: "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Cor. 13:14). It would have been difficult for Paul to give this benediction if the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were not equal persons within the Godhead.
5. The Great Commission. In Matthew 28:18-20 the Lord Jesus commissions the disciples to go out and preach the gospel and to make disciples of all nations. He commands them also to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Taken with the other passages bearing on the subject, this becomes an extremely powerful argument for the Christian doctrine of the trinity.
6. Creation. Although the Bible does not explain to us how the three persons are the one God, it tells us most emphatically that the Spirit of God created the world (Gen. 1:2), the Father created the world (Heb. 1:2), and the Son created the world (Col. 1:16). If you check the creation references in the New Testament, you will see that these particular references are bolstered by several others teaching the same things.
The apostle Paul declared in Acts 17:24, "the God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands." This forces us to an irresistible conclusion. As creation has been attributed to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit singly and collectively, they are the one God. There cannot be three gods. The Scripture declares: "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other" (Isa. 45:22). Hence there is unity in trinity and trinity in unity.
7. The Resurrection of Christ. A final instance of Trinitarian emphasis is that of the resurrection of our Lord. In John 2 Christ declared to the Jews, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days" (v. 19). John hastens to tell us that Jesus was speaking of the resurrection of His earthly body (v. 21). Other Scriptures, however, state that Christ was raised by the agency of the Holy Spirit (e.g., Rom. 8:11). And Peter explicitly states that the Father raised the Son (Acts 3:26). So, again, God's Word affirms the triune nature of God. We may not fully understand the great truth of the Trinity. However, we can see the rays of light which emanate from God's Word and which teach us that, in a mysterious sense beyond the comprehension of man's finite mind, God is one in nature but three in person.

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