THE FALSE GOSPEL IN THE STARS

PREPARING THE WAY OF THE ANTICHRIST

. . .and the False Prophet and 10 kings downsized to 7 and. . .

Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. Is. 47:13-14

By Barbara Aho

INTRODUCTION

Were Christians to understand the anatomy of deception, they would be more apt to recognize deceivers. The Scriptures tell us that Satan and his ministers actually "transform themselves" into angels of light, apostles of Christ and ministers of righteousness...

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. II Cor. 11:13-15

How does this transformation happen? Occult sources state that "transformation" is the outcome of a series of processes called initiation into the Eastern or Western Mysteries, which Scripture terms "the depths of Satan" (Rev. 2:24). As the born-again Christian becomes a new creation in Christ (Acts 7:42-3) and is indwelt by the Holy Spirit (John 14:17), the person who experiences occult initiation is transformed into a new creature in Satan and is indwelt by one or more devils. We are told that the adepts and masters—the chosen few who have gone beyond the Lesser Mysteries and enter the Greater Mysteries—ascend to the very Throne of God and are "deified". Deification, of course, is only an illusion; however, these high level initiates, having experienced the 'depths of Satan', are indwelt by a personality that is not their own. And a certain number of these "deified" men and women have been incarnated by devils who are capable of impersonating a born-again Christian. Thus possessed by highly intelligent supernatural entities, we find many 'wolves in sheep's clothing' on the Christian scene who exhibit a "born-again" personality.


Because evil spirits can persuasively masquerade as ministers of righteousness, the elect must look beyond outward appearances and exercise their spiritual senses to discern between good and evil. This requires a spiritual perceptivity beyond the low standard exhibited by nominal Christianity, for Satan creates first-class images for his most valuable ministers, who often become prominent personalities through image campaigns that are designed expressly to deceive the Christian masses. The wise Christian will disregard outward appearances and become impersonally objective, putting a man or woman's doctrine the acid test of Scripture. Moreover, teachings must be analyzed with careful attention to details and nuances since false doctrines are often framed in an artifice of truths and half-truths designed to fool and entrap the masses of shallow Christians.


In their book, The Trojan Horse: The New Age Infiltration of the Church, Samantha Smith and Brenda Scott make a profoundly important statement:

“In our ongoing study of mysticism/occultism/spiritualism, we often find that the authors deny what they are actually teaching.” (24:14)

Because few people are immune to the very sophisticated mind control techniques in operation today—and this includes Christians—most fail to recognize this widely used tactic: A New Ager in Christian garb will promote an occult doctrine such as pantheism or theosophy or gnosticism or astrology, but interject a paragraph or two, or even a chapter, condemning the very practice he or she is promoting. Usually, a distinction is made between the *occult* form of the false doctrine and the *Christian* version, which is “of God”, while the occult version is “Satan's counterfeit” of God's work. This rationalization seems to sell a lot of false doctrine as we observed in the false revival, where barking and roaring were defended as manifestations of the Holy Spirit, which Satan counterfeits in New Age cults.


Using this line of reasoning, Dr. D. James Kennedy has built a case for “Biblical astrology” in his book, The Real Meaning of the Zodiac. This surprisingly popular book is based on The Witness of the Stars by E.W. Bullinger and Joseph Seiss' A Gospel in the Stars, published in 1893 and 1882 respectively. A 19th-century English classicist and linguist, Frances Rolleston, had previously popularized the theory of a 'gospel in the stars' with her book, Mazzaroth: The Constellations, published in 1863. Except for Miss Rolleston, all were Protestant ministers—Bullinger was an Anglican minister, Seiss a Lutheran preacher and Kennedy is a Presbyterian minister.


It seems that E.W. Bullinger's book met with widespread disapproval among Christians in his day. In E. W. Bullinger: A Biography, Juanita S. Carey reveals that discerning Christians recognized the astrology promoted in The Witness of the Stars and the book was widely condemned. Bullinger's response to his critics was to straightaway produce a book on another form of divination—occult numerology!

“In 1894, a year after publication of The Witness of the Stars, Robert Brown, himself an author on biblical subjects, wrote a booklet called A Reply to Dr. Bullinger's So-Called 'Witness of the Stars.' He opened with some of the major criticisms being leveled against the book:..

“'...In a later and larger work...entitled 'The Witness of the Stars,' I am sorry to say, that the Doctor has advanced views, which are not only...unsound but are far more dangerous than those I have already referred to: for in this Book he has taught doctrines which certainly savour of heresy; if indeed they be not in themselves, as many even think, distinctly heretical...

"But the great evil of the Book, lies...in its teaching that we have IN THE STARS another revelation from God, which the Doctor asserts is a 'pure and undefiled,' and, therefore, as authoritative and true, as the revelation which we have in the Bible itself; and as the so-called science of Astrology is again rapidly coming to the front, and has many adherents, in these days, my solemn conviction is that this work will greatly tend to foster and extend this abomination...

“Seemingly unruffled by the barrage of criticism, Dr. Bullinger's only answer was to come out within the year with another major research work. Number in Scripture: It's Scriptural Design and Spiritual Significance...” - 972:102-3

All of the so-called 'Christian' books on astrology present the argument, which Kennedy admits is a theory, that the ancient Zodiac was God's heavenly presentation of the message of salvation to the ancient world, however, Satan counterfeited God's original message in the stars for his own purposes by corrupting Babylonian and modern astrology:

“Therefore, from the very beginning God has given a story of His salvation from which have come most of the ancient mythologies and ancient traditions. The signs are describing the salvation that would be wrought in Christ and was given by God to Adam in the Garden of Eden. As mentioned before, this is called the protevangelium (or the first evangel, the first Gospel), which was the beginning of the revelation of Jesus Christ to the world, i.e., that the seed of the woman would destroy the seed of the serpent...

“We are told in Genesis that God put the stars in the heavens for signs, and these signs convey a message. The theory we are presenting is that God revealed that message to Adam and to his sons and grandsons and that message has gone into all of the civilizations of the world and has been passed down through the centuries.

“At the time of the building of the tower of Babel, this was corrupted into astrology. Thus, instead of these being signs of God and His salvation by which we should worship God, they were changed into deities, and people began to worship the sun, the moon, the planets, and the stars...
“It is well that you have nothing to do with modern astrology whatsoever because of its corruption and satanic aspects. But in order that you might appreciate what God has done, let us look briefly at the zodiac, its history and the birth of astrology...
ASTROLOGY CONDEMNED
“As we have seen the Bible condemns astrology very strongly. [quotes Isaiah 47:13-14]

“Instead of being simply the story of Christ, people took the heavenly signs to be deities which have an influence on our lives...
“The Bible tells us we are not to consort with astrologers; we are not to consult them; we are not to have anything to do with astrology. And yet, originally, there was this great revelation of God, of His glory, and of His salvation in what has come to be known as the zodiac.”
(872:14-16)

Did the ancient world really view the stars as God's message of salvation through Jesus Christ? According to Prof. Lana Rings of the University of Texas, the ancients read into the stars the religion of the Great Mother Goddess:

“Women and snakes have been linked for millenia, even much earlier than Adam and Eve... these female images...were viewed as representations of some form of deity...

“In those days the sky was their holy book, their 'Bible,' if you will... And the ancients knew how to 'read the sky.' 'When you can see the Goddess Sotis just before sunup, the Nile will flood.' This meant that when the star we now call Sirius (and the Egyptians called the Goddess Sotis) appears just before dawn, it is a certain time of the year, and the Nile will soon flood, because the Nile floods at that time of the year... The sky was also the site of their religion, for they put their religious stories into the night constellations. Sotis was Isis, the Wisest of the Wise, the One before all others. And the constellations came from how they saw the position of the stars in relationship to each other.”(1082)

Richard Hinckley Allen confirms this in Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning, considered the basic book of its field. Allen informs us that the study of the stars in remote antiquity gave rise to the myths and legends of pagan cultures. As ancient man looked to nature to determine the identity of its God, star-gazing did not lead him to the true God, nor to an understanding of salvation, but to the god of nature, Pan.

“It may be thought that too much attention has been paid to stellar mythology...but it serves to elucidate the literary history of the stars, and the age of its stories commands at least our interest. Indeed, we should remember that the stars were largely the source of these stories,--Eusebius, early in our 4th century, asserting in his Praeparatio Evangelica:

“'The ancients believed that the legends about Osiris and Isis, and all other mythological fables [of a kindred sort], have reference either to the Stars, their configuration, their risings and their settings, etc.'

“And Proctor wrote in his Myths and Marvels of Astronomy that the chief charm of this study 'does not reside in the wonders revealed to us by science, but in the lore and legends connected with its history, the strange fancies with which in old times it has been associated, the half-forgotten myths to which it has given birth.

“Yet these myths, old as the present forms of some of them may be, are but modern and trivial when one goes back to the dim past to their probable fountainhead among the Himalayas and on the Ganges, or along the banks of the Euphrates, where the recent study of mythology discovers their origin in serious connection with the most ancient of earthly religions, long antedating Moses,--'attempted explanations of natural phenomena,' drawn from observations on the earth and in the sky of powers of nature and of nature's God.” (927:ix)

The First Astrologer



But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Amos 5:26


Dr. Kennedy presents no Scriptural evidence that God taught the Zodiac to Adam and, by extension, to future civilizations through the godly line of Seth and Enoch or that the corrupt use of the Zodiac began at the Tower of Babel. To the contrary, there is reason to believe that astrology began with Cain, “who was of that wicked one” (I Jn.3:12), and whose legacy to future civilizations through his ungodly descendants may have included worship of the stars. Remember that Cain's descendants developed along the lines of Lamech, the first polygamist and a murderer, and his sons—Tubal-Cain who was the alchemical 'Vulcan' of Atlantis, and Jubal, who invented music for idol worship. (Gen.4:17-22)

“As pointed out by Laurence Gardner in 'Genesis of the Grail Kings', the biblical Tubal-cain (who is revered in scientific Freemasonry) was the great Vulcan of Mesopotamia during the reign of Egypt's King Narmer (c.3200 BC). He was a prominent alchemist and the greatest metallurgist of his age, while his step-brother Jubal was said to be 'the ancestor of all who handle the lyre and pipe' - whence the word Jubilee, meaning 'a blast of trumpets' or 'to lead with triumph or pomp'. The ritual connection in pleasing the gods with brass horns and trumpets is very apparent in this era and a later association between angels and the medieval buisine (long trumpet) probably originates from this time.”(740)

The prophet Amos identified the star which the Israelites worshipped in their apostasy as Chiun, which according to Strong's Concordance was the planetary god, Saturn:



But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Amos 5:26

3594 Kiyuwn {kee-yoon'} from 3559; n pr dei AV - Chiun 1; 1 Chiun = “an image” or “pillar” 1) probably a statue of the Assyrian-Babylonian god of the planet Saturn and used to symbolise Israelite apostasy

Both Chiun and Saturn are identified as Cain in Madame Blavatsky's foundational work, The Secret Doctrine:

“The god of time was Chium in Egypt, or Saturn...and Chium is the same as Cain.” (897:390)


[Note: The Theosophical Glossary presents Chium as an alternative spelling of Chiun: “Chium, Chiun kiyyun, khiyun (Hebrew)” (898)]

Indeed, the Hebrew name of Cain (Qayin) is similar to Chiun (Kiyuwn):

7014 Qayin {kah'-yin} the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 07069); TWOT - 2017,2016 AV - Cain 17, Kenite 1; 18 n pr m Cain = “possession” 1) eldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer having murdered his brother Abel n pr gent Kenite = “smiths” 2) the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai

Since Chiun and Cain are linked together with Saturn, the planetary name for Satan, it is conceivable that the mark of Cain was the mark of Saturn, a six-pointed star. According to the Masonic authors of The Hiram Key, the Kenites who descended from Cain wore the mark of the Tau Cross on their foreheads. “TAU... [is the] letter of Saturn” stated Israel Regardie in The Golden Dawn. (153:215) The Chaldean number for Saturn is 666, suggesting that the mark of Cain was a prototype of the mark of the beast—the six-pointed star received by those who will worship the god Saturn during the Golden Age of Saturn, the occult millennium (which will be shortened to 3 1/2 years).


Confirming our thesis, some Jewish sources say the mark of Cain was the Seal of Solomon or Star of David. And so we find evidence in Scripture which contradicts the very premise of D. James Kennedy's false “gospel in the stars” and affirms that, from the very outset, astrology involved worship of the hosts of heaven—and that it was Cain, the first astrologer, who taught the worship of nature to future civilizations through his ungodly descendants.


A Circle of Animals

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. - Romans 1:23

Probably the most famous astronomer of the 18th century was Sir William Herschel (1738-1822), who discovered the planet Uranus, many new nebulae and stars, and was also the first person to correctly describe the form of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. Herschel complained of the Egyptian chart of stars, “The heavens are scribbled over with interminable snakes.”


Kennedy's incredibly blasphemous book states that the Zodiac presents the way of salvation, based on the word zoad which, in Sanskrit, means 'a way'. The word 'zodiac', however, is derived from the Greek word zoon which means “animal” from which comes the word zodiakos, meaning “a circle of animals.” For his purposes, Kennedy prefers the esoteric (gnostic), rather than the exoteric (obvious), meaning of the word:

“This is often described as a circle of animals. At a deep level we see the zodiac as the path, or the way, and it is the way of salvation revealed in the heavens. But that is not really what the word zodiac means. Rather, it comes from a primitive root, zoad, which comes from the Hebrew sodi, and in Sanskrit means: 'A Way,' 'A Path,' 'A Step.' At a deeper level we see the zodiac picturing The Path, The Way of salvation revealed beautifully for us in the heavens.” (872:16)

The Real Meaning of the Zodiac reveals the author's working knowledge of astrology—the occult's false gospel—and ancient mythology, the pagan pantheon of false gods. D. James Kennedy glorifies the ancient pagan gods depicted in the signs of the Zodiac as heroic types and figures of Jesus Christ. His antecedent, E.W. Bullinger, stated in the Witness of the Stars, “These ancient star-pictures reveal this Coming One. They set forth 'the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow'.”


According to our so-called 'biblical astrologers', the various houses of the zodiac—personified by wolves, unicorns, sea-goats, phoenixes and pagan gods such as Hercules, Apollo and Zeus—are said to be types and figures of Jesus Christ and His redemptive work. For example, the “sacred fish”, the dolphin, is associated with divine powers in the New Age belief system; nevertheless, advocates of the false gospel in the stars make the astonishing claim that the dolphin represents Christ in His resurrection. Aquarius, the Water-Bearer, was originally Ganymede, the homosexual lover of Zeus, but Kennedy and his antecedents maintain that Aquarius is a type of the Holy Spirit! Capricorn, a half-goat/half-fish representation of the 'lusty god Pan' is acclaimed to be a 'beautiful representation' of Jesus Christ. The androgynous Gemini twins picture the dual nature of Jesus, say Kennedy et al. And Pegasus, the winged-horse who carries the thunderbolt of Zeus, is Christ as the first horseman of the Apocalypse. And so on and so forth ad nauseum.


Outrage is an appropriate response for the Christian reader who must endure his Lord, Jesus Christ, likened to the beasts and monsters and perverted gods of pagan mythology. The only explanation for such wickedness can be that that Kennedy is promoting another Christ and another gospel—the false gospel of ancient heathen cultures who awaited the return of their false Christ—be he Horus of the Egyptians, the Babylonian Tammuz, Saturn of Rome, Quetzalcoatl, god of the Aztec and Mayan cultures, Viracocha of the Incas, King Arthur of Great Britain, and the myriad of other supreme deities of pagan traditions—ancient gods who are expected to return from their celestial abode to establish a Golden Age of peace and prosperity on earth.


Science, Falsely So-Called

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. I Tim 6:20-21

Although astrology is promoted as a branch of astronomy, it is really a pseudo-science based on ancient misconceptions about the design of the universe. Michael P. Wright argues that “the support of a belief system so irrational as astrology is certainly not the work of science,” nevertheless the ancient superstitions of Babylon and Egypt have been revived and are now the basis of a hugely erroneous belief that mankind is entering a New Age of peace and prosperity:

“The idea that we are entering a 'New Age' is rooted in astrology, a pseudo-science developed in Babylonia about 2500 years ago. Ancient astrologers observed over time a slow apparent shifting in the positions of the twelve major constellations they had identified, and believed that a significant change in the course of human history would begin at those times when a different constellation moved into alignment with the sun at the vernal equinox. Each astrological 'age' is supposed to last about 2100 years.

“Contemporary New Age devotees are celebrating the notion that we are now entering the 'Age of Aquarius,' because this constellation is coming to occupy the position formerly held by Pisces. The idea was popularized by the 1968 musical Hair.

“Of course, astronomers know that the movement of the constellations in space has nothing to do with the way they are viewed from earth. The whole system of astrology was constructed on the basis of the erroneous belief that the earth was the center of the universe, and the heavenly bodies all revolved around it. In reality, the apparent shift in the position of the constellations is caused by the precession of the earth's axis.

“One of the ancient thinkers who advanced astrology was the Egyptian Ptolemy, who lived in the second century A.D. Ptolemy believed that the earth was at the center of the universe, and that the planets, sun, and stars revolved around it. It is from Ptolemy that the phrase Ptolemic conception of the universe is derived. The idea of an earth-centered universe was the official dogma of the Catholic Church up until the 16th century, when it was challenged by Copernicus, who argued that the earth revolved around the sun.

“Famous in the 17th century for defending the Copernican view was Galileo, who was accused by the Catholic Church of heresy and condemned to house arrest, for life, at his villa near Florence. He was also forbidden to publish. And herein lies a great irony: Christianity is seen by New Age believers as part of the 'Piscean establishment,' which they expect to be overthrown in the Age of Aquarius. Yet by virtue of their belief in astrology, developed in alignment with the Ptolemic conception of the universe, the New Agers are in tacit alliance with the Catholic Inquisition's persecution of Galileo! But no problem. The postmodernist mind is not uncomfortable with contradiction.” (1063)



D. James Kennedy presumes his readers ignorance when he claims, “If you go back in time,...regardless of how far back you go,...Nearly all nations had the same twelve signs, representing the same twelve things, placed in the same order.” (872:8) According to the Christian Research Institute, this is hardly the case:

“Though GIS continues to hold a certain fascination for a number of Christians, some of whom tout its alleged apologetic value, it remains fraught with significant weaknesses that deliver a critical blow to its overall soundness. Among its problems are the following:

“1) There is no uniform zodiac constellation. Some claim there are twenty-four zodiac signs, while others count eight, ten, or fourteen. The oldest Babylonian charts do not even contain the complete zodiac constellation. And unlike the popular Western view, the Chinese interpreted their constellation charts with characters such as the rabbit, mouse, and dog. Moreover, the zodiac signs do not even appear above the Arctic Circle (66 degrees latitude)—which means that is there no 'Gospel in the Stars' for many Eskimos, Siberians, Greenlanders, and Scandinavians. This, of course, poses a serious dilemma for GIS, according to which the stars serve as a witness to all people.

“2) There is no uniform message behind the stars. As in the case of astrology, the star-formed zodiac signs can be assigned whatever meaning the interpreter decides upon; the purported messages behind the signs are completely arbitrary. In their interpretation of the constellations, for example, the Jews did not include any reference to the fall of Adam and Eve or their future seed who would become humankind’s Deliverer. They believed the sign of Scorpio represented Israel as a scorpion, drastically differing from Bullinger’s understanding of Scorpio as a sign depicting the conflict between the Deliverer and the serpent.” (1075)

Astrology was rejected by the early Church but revived during the Renaissance and Rosicrucian Enlightenment. In the Renaissance, the Roman Church adopted the Zodiac signs as heavenly representations of Christ, a pernicious teaching which is contaminating Christianity today:

"During the early middle ages, the early Christian hostility towards astrology and the decline of education in Greek led to the near-disappearance of astrology. It was re-introduced during the twelfth century when a great variety of Greek philosophical and scientific texts were translated from Arabic. Of course, Arabic language commentaries and original works were translated as well. The fifteenth and sixteenth centuries saw the first translations directly from Greek, notably Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos, and the Renaissance of the fifteenth through seventeenth centuries became one of the great ages of astrology. Astrology declined, however, with the rise of modern science in the late seventeenth century." - 896 ("Astrology In Medieval And Renaissance Europe")

As for the so-called 'Christian' Zodiac, The Secret Zodiac: The Hidden Art in Medieval Astrology by Fred Gettings brings to light the importation of the Zodiac into the Roman Church during the Renaissance:

“Those who are not familiar with the hermetic and occult basis of much early Christian symbolism may be surprised to find a zodiac within a church. The majority of moderns tend to think of the zodiac and related astrological ideas as being somehow pagan. However, the truth is that the zodiac, and its attendant astrological symbolism, was to some extent 'Christianized' in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries...

“The fact is...that the zodiacal symbolism, like that of the star-lore of the Arabian astrology, was thoroughly Christianized by the late twelfth century, and was used to quite remarkable ends in may different mediaeval and proto-Renaissance works of art. However, this 'Christianized' version of astrology should not itself disguise the fact that, in terms of ordinary history at least, the zodiac, planets and planisphere were originally pagan, and directly linked with the initiate of the Mystery Schools.” (911:16)

Discredited as unscientific during the Age of Reason, astrology revived in the 19th century occult revival and became respectable, especially among intellectuals disillusioned with modern science.

"Astrology died at the end of the 17th century with the rise of modern science. Modern astronomers were and are quite hostile to a rival. When Bouché-Leclercq wrote, in the late 19th century, the beginnings of a modern revival were barely visible. It became popular once more in the aftermath to WW I and the revulsion toward that disaster, brought about by modern science and technology, many thought. Robert Graves was not the only one to conclude that anything might be true, except what you read in newspapers. The techniques of modern astrology were partly taken from reprints of Renaissance astrologers, such as Lilly, partly brought to Europe from India by such groups as the Theosophical Society." - 896 ("Astrology Since The Renaissance")

Preparing the Way of the Antichrist


The promo on the back cover of The Real Meaning of the Zodiac reveals that, despite his Christian gloss on the Zodiac and disingenuous caveats concerning modern astrology, D. James Kennedy is looking to this pseudo-science to forecast the future of the world:

“Startling discoveries related by eminent theologian Dr. D. James Kennedy prove that God created the Zodiac! God intended the stars to foretell the future of the world. Discover what Dr. Kennedy calls biblical astrology or the Gospel in the stars. Reading this book: The Real Meaning of the Zodiac, just might give you insight into your future.” (872)

According to J.R. Church, founder and director of the “Prophecy in the News Ministry,” the first four signs of the Zodiac prophesied the birth of Christ, the middle four signs foretold the Church Age, and the last four signs expound events yet future as recorded in the book of Revelation. In their program on the “Signs and Seasons,” Gary Stearman prefaced his comments with assurances that the Zodiac accurately foretells future Messianic events:

Stearman: “...In other words, the Lord is saying, Do you know about the Messiah, the redemption, do you know how it's going to happen? Can you figure it out ahead of time? Can you see into the future as I can? Of course the answer is no...but we have just enough information to understand the workings of the thing.”
J.R Church: “Let us start with Virgo...because God said, Let the lights in the heavens be for signs and for seasons... Let's briefly go through the signs. Virgo speaks of Bethlehem, so from Virgo to Leo, the twelve constellations, we have the spring and summer... Everything begins with Virgo bringing forth the son of God. In Virgo, Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius we see the first advent of Christ, His death, burial and resurrection, His battle against Satan. In Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces and Aries we see the Church Age. The head of the goat, the body of the fish—Jesus is the sacrificial goat and out of the head of the fish comes the body which is the Church, the symbol of the fish. And then, of course, there's Aquarius pouring out the Holy Spirit. That's the day of Pentecost. And the two fish with their tails tied together represent the saints, the Old Testament saints and New Testament saints. And they're all under the control of Aries the Lamb who is the Lord Jesus Christ. Following that is Cetus who rises up, the world government, and after that follows Taurus, Gemini, Cancer and Leo, and those are the second advent of Christ. The Judge is coming. Gemini represents the rapture, Cancer represents the resurrection, and Leo, the Lion, is seen jumping on the Hydra, the many headed dragon. That's all the book of Revelation...” (1053)


BACK TO EGYPT


Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. - Deuteronomy 17:16


Having deceived his readers as to the real meaning of the word 'zodiac', D. James Kennedy informs them that the key to understanding this way of salvation is the sphinx:

“I know it will surprise you, but the sphinx actually unlocks the mystery of the zodiac.” (872:19)

Dr. Kennedy does not make clear that he is referring to the Great Sphinx located in Egypt. This revelation would at once alert many a Christian to the unscriptural foundation of The Real Meaning of the Zodiac, for God has forbidden his people to return to Egypt for their spiritual resources:

When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; ...he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. - Deut. 17:14-16

As the Great Sphinx was built upon the earthly sands of the Sahara Desert, those who subscribe to the false gospel in the stars are building their spiritual houses on a foundation of sand, rather than the solid rock of the Word of God.

Woe to them that go down to Egypt for help; and stay on horses, and trust in chariots, because they are many; and in horsemen, because they are very strong; but they look not unto the Holy One of Israel, neither seek the LORD! Isaiah 31:1


Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. - Matt. 8:24-27

The mystery religion of ancient Egypt was received from Hermes Trismegistus, a demi-god posing as Enoch escaped from the judgment of the Flood. Hermes' dictum “as above, so below” became the supreme law of the land of Egypt so that (man being a microcosm of the universe) whatever occurred in the heavens was regarded as the blueprint of the gods for man's activity on earth. J.R. Church and Gary Stearman have Christianized this occult concept for their audiences, being careful to hedge their teaching of the Hermetic axiom “as above, so below” with the typical denial, lest they be found guilty of promoting astrology:

Gary Stearman: “...the Lord is explaining to Job the connection between heaven and earth. He asks some questions. He says, 'Canst thou bring for Mazzaroth in his season?', Mazzaroth being the Hebrew word for the celestial calendar—the calendar, the Zodiac, the twelve signs. ...And the next verse is is fascinating: 'Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof?' ...What the Lord is saying is that the ordinances of heaven determine the dominion of the earth. There is a connection between heaven and earth and it's linked to the north which exactly matches what we've been saying up to now.”

J.R. Church: “Now we are not talking about being able to look at a horoscope and determine the dominions of the earth. What we are talking about is looking at the signs and God's original prophetic message in those signs and how that relates to the dominion of the earth.” (1053)

According to Hermetic philosophy, the Great Sphinx and the Pyramids at Giza represented God and His Word to mankind respectively. “The Sphinx at Giza is a representation of God on Earth. God in his heaven is the Sphinx Super Giant situated alongside Orion, the Word of God. God on Earth is the Sphinx situated next to the Pyramids at Giza...” (903:1) Moreover, the name of the Creator God—this Celestial Sphinx which the earthly Sphinx represents—was Hu, which implies the 'deification of man' teaching: that hu-mans are gods. Hu was depicted in the form of a lion to convey his supreme power:

“The Celestial Sphinx is the Creator and Architect of the Universe. The Celestial Sphinx is God and the ancient name for God was Hu... 'Hu' is the Word or utterance which means 'God'... The body of the remote Ancient Egyptian God of Creation, Hu, was deliberately leonine, as the superbly crafted lion was a symbol of Power and Strength. The lion was omnipotent. Even today the lion is referred to as 'King of the Beasts'.” (903:2)

It is under the paw of the leonine Great Sphinx in Egypt that a Hall of Records contains the ancient records of the pre-flood civilization, called Atlantis by the occult societies who are engineering global events so that mankind can return to this utopian era. The famous psychic Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) prophesied that the Hall of Records will be 'discovered' just before the Second Coming of Christ. According to The Message of the Sphinx, Cayce made this prediction in a trance; however, it is more likely that the prophesies of Cayce and other New Age seers are self-fulfilling prophecies or blueprints for action:

“'References and clues [which] indicate Egypt as a repository for records - records of Atlantis and ancient Egypt during the time of Ra-Ta, which may some day be found... that a vast underground repository was established containing a library of wisdom from the lost civilization of Atlantis: 'This in position lies, as the sun rises from the waters, the line of shadow (or light) falls between the paws of the Sphinx... There is a chamber or passage from the right forepaw [of the Sphinx] to this entrance of the record chamber...'

“According to the [Edgar Cayce] readings, the Hall of Records is to be discovered and re-entered when 'the time has been fulfilled' — which, Cayce suggested, would be at or just before the close of the twentieth century, perhaps in 1998. The readings allude frequently to Old and New Testaments of the Bible, certain numerous references to Jesus, and depict the rediscovery of the Hall of Records as being linked in some way to a series of events that will prelude the 'Second Coming' of Christ.” (132:88)

Lambert Dolphin?

A major figure involved in the exploration of the Great Sphinx at Giza was Lambert Dolphin, who directed the Stanford Research Institute excavation of the Sphinx. In 1977, this pseudo-Christian minister negotiated funding from the Edgar Cayce Foundation for the SRI project at Giza. Lambert Dolphin's activities are chronicled in The Message of the Sphinx:

“Back in Egypt in 1977, a year after the Viking images had first reached the Earth, Mark Lehner [A.R.E.’s ‘man’ at Giza] made contact with NASA’s Dr. Lambert T. Dolphin, leader of the Stanford Research Institute project at the Sphinx ...

“Later in 1977 Lambert Dolphin traveled to Virginia Beach to negotiate funding from the Edgar Cayce organization for a proposed new SRI project at Giza... In (1983) ‘The Independent Mars Project’ was set up in the United States by Richard Hoagland, a former NASA consultant, and Lambert Dolphin…” (132:313-14)

The Message of the Sphinx is that mankind will be going 'back to the future' to another Golden Age like the pre-Flood civilization, of which Egypt was supposedly a close replica. Note that Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, authors of the Masonic book, The Message of the Sphinx, use the term 'message in the stars' to describe the astrological signs in the Zodiac used by the Egyptians for divination:

“Guardian of the ancient mysteries, the keeper of secrets... for thousands of years the Great Sphinx of Egypt has gazed toward the east, its eyes focused on eternity, reading a message in the stars that mankind has long forgotten. And today, as our civilization stands poised at the end of a great cycle, it is a message that beckons insistently to be understood.

“All the clues are in place. Geology and archeo-astronomy have already indicated that the lion-headed Sphinx may be vastly older than Egyptologists currently believe, dating not from 2500 B.C., but from 10,500 B.C.—the beginning of the astrological Age of Leo. And...the three pyramids of Giza,...were a precise map of the three stars of Orion's belt...

“...Using sophisticated computer simulations of ancient skies, they unravel the riddle of the Sphinx... Their discoveries led the authors to this question: Does mankind have a rendezvous with destiny—a rendezvous not in the future, but in the distant past, at a precise place and time? The secrets can be kept no longer...” (132 back cover)

According to D. James Kennedy, The Real Meaning of the Zodiac as revealed by the Sphinx in Egypt, is that the 'Biblical Zodiac' begins with the sign of Virgo, who represents the Virgin Mary, chosen vessel of the promised Seed, and ends with the sign of Leo the Lion, who represents 'Christ' trampling on His enemies. Recall that the astrological sign of Leo also launched the building of the lion-headed Sphinx of Egypt. Specifically, the forepaw of the lion is mentioned in relation to Kennedy's 'Christ' who destroys his enemies:

“The chief star [of the constellation Leo, The Lion] means 'He That Tears Asunder.' And God represents Himself in that way... The chief star, situated in the lion's breast, whence its mighty paws proceed, bears the name of Regal, which means 'The Treading Underfoot,' That is precisely what the feet of the lion can do. In fact, Joseph Seiss, author of The Gospel in the Stars, tells us that the forepaw of the lion can exert the same force as dropping a twenty-five point hammer. With one blow of its paw it can break the backbone of an ox or crush the skull of a horse. With one blow its claws can cut four inches in depth on another beast. No wonder man is ill-equipped to fight with a lion!..

“In this last of the constellations, the feet of the lion are about to land on the head or neck of the serpent... In this final sign of Leo it is...clear and incontestable that this is a picture of the destruction of the wicked.” (872:119-20)

Also recall that the Hall of Records, “a library of wisdom from the lost civilization of Atlantis,” is accessed from the right forepaw of the Great Egyptian Sphinx. Kennedy's description of Leo's forepaw calls to mind not only the forepaw of the Great Sphinx, under which will be discovered earthshaking revelations, but also Daniel's vision of a beast with ten horns which trampled the earth with its feet:

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns... Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Dan. 7:7,19-21

Kennedy's version of Leo, The Lion sounds ominously to be Great Sphinx which he avers unlocks the meaning of the Zodiac. In fact, D. James Kennedy seems to be promoting the same interpretation of the Zodiac as Edgar Cayce and Lambert Dolphin, who predictably approves of the “gospel in the stars” theory. Along with his endorsement of the Zodiac, Lambert Dolphin, like Kennedy, piously cautions the reader about the dangers of astrology—the very abomination he then promotes.

“From Daniel it is clear that magic arts, divination and astrology were indeed an important part of the religion and culture of Babylon... That divination, astrology and channeling pose grave, occultic dangers to God's people is clear:..

“But the existence of powerful counterfeits in the world strongly suggests that there exists a real body of truth that was lost, or corrupted by the god of this world. All ancient civilizations for some reason have ended up with twelve and only constellations (signs) of the Zodiac, and many legends connected with these signs contain similar themes and stories. In studying such matters science can not be the final arbitrator, for much truth about man and his history is passed down through the stories, traditions, through the art, music, poetry, and literature of earlier civilizations. Our generation lives under an illusion that we know more and are more advanced than were the men of old. The reverse is true. Mankind has been moving inexorably downhill all the way-especially in the matter of quality of life, richness of culture and social life. We live near the end of history, far removed from the profound realities men knew before the Flood.” (904)

What were the “profound realities” men knew before the Flood?

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose... There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. - Gen. 6:1,2,4

And how did God view the the “quality of life” of this “advanced civilization” produced by demons intermarrying with human women:

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. - Gen. 6:5-7

Alexandria



In D. James Kennedy's celestial story of pseudo-salvation, the twelve houses or signs of the Zodiac are presented as twelve chapters and within each of the twelve houses there are three minor constellations called 'decans'. “As there were twelve apostles and twelve tribes of Israel, so there are these twelve chapters in the heavenly story.” (872:17) Here Kennedy borders on the Gnostic teaching that Christ is the 'sun-god' surrounded by the twelve apostles. This false doctrine originated with Clement of Alexandria, Egypt, founder of the famous Neo-Platonist school which synthesized Christianity and Greek philosophy to produce Gnosticism:

“...as archetype, Christ was regarded as the perfection of all twelve [zodiacal signs]. Just as he had 'rule' over twelve human disciples on earth, so he had 'rule' over the twelve signs of the zodiac in the heavens: the great Clemens, writing from a living memory of the life of Christ, had no hesitation in equating the twelve disciples with the twelve signs of the zodiac, with Christ as the central sun... By such reasoning, the body of Christ, through the numinous power of the zodiac, merges with the body of man, to become a single united symbol within the church.” (The Secret Zodiac) - 911:22

Clement of Alexandria (d. 215), believed that worship of the stars inspired the worship of God and that Greek philosophy led the Greeks to Christ: “All the stages of the world’s history were therefore preparations leading up to this full revelation [of Christ], and God’s care was not confined to the Hebrews alone. The worship of the heavenly bodies, for instance, was given to man at an early stage that he might rise from a contemplation of these sublime objects to the worship of the Creator. Greek philosophy in particular was the preparation of the Greeks for Christ. It was the schoolmaster or paedagogue to lead them to Christ. Plato was Moses atticizing.” (1013)



It was the Neo-Platonist school in Alexandria, Egypt, which sanitized the occult traditions of their more offensive content and repackaged them for Christian consumption. The Alexandrian School also engaged in the corruption of Scripture, indispensable to the promotion of false doctrine. Clement's successor as headmaster of the Alexandrian School was Origen (184-254 AD), a Neo-Platonist scholar who was pronounced a heretic by a number of general synods in the early Church period. Origen produced the gnostic manuscripts that would later form the basis of the ecumenical bible used by Constantine to assimilate Christianity into the Roman Empire.



Phillip Schaff observed about Origen, “His predilection for Plato led him into many grand and fascinating errors.” Among Origen's Platonic notions was his concept of the planets as angels. “After the birth of Christ, we see the doctrine of the planetary spheres accepted by the Christian Gnostics at the School of Alexandria. The Demiurge of Saturn gave birth out of himself to six sons or aeons, who together became the seven planetary spirits of the created material world. They are as described by Origen, Ialdabaoth - Saturn, Iao - Jupiter, Sabaoth - Mars, Adonaios - Sun, Astaphaios - Venus, Ailoaios - Mercury, Oraios - Moon.” (1016)



Origen's aberrant theology was a Platonic expression of the ancient Hermetic wisdom, 'as above, so below.' Plato's concept of planetary spirits was derived from the pre-flood culture which worshipped nine levels of angels in a Celestial Hierarchy that was represented on earth by an semi-human Council of Nine. According to Realm of the Ring Lords by Laurence Gardner, nine demonic spirits (seven planetary angels and two supervisors) ruled over pre-flood Atlantis. The Anunnaki were the four great gods of the pre-flood world, the Nephilim or fallen angels who mated with human women per Genesis 6: “Anunnaki translates as 'those who Anu sent from heaven to earth.' They were also called NEPHILIM meaning 'To fall down to Earth, to land...'”:

“The Anunnaki overlords were said to have governed by way of a Grand Assembly of nine councillors who sat at Nippur. The nine consisted of eight members (seven males and a female), who held the Rings of divine justice along with their president, Anu, who held the One Ring to bind them all. Not only does this conform with the nine kingdoms of the Volsunga Saga, which cites Odin (Wotan) as the ultimate presidential Ring Lord, but it is also commensurate with the seven archangels of Hebraic record along with their two supervisors, the Lord of the Spirits and the Most High (equivalent to Anu). As the original god kings of Mesopotamia, this Assembly was said to have introduced kingly practice, which according to the Sumerian King List (dating from before 2000 B.C.) was 'lowered from heaven'.

“In Ring Lore...[he] who held the Ninth Ring, the One Ring was Lord of the Rings. In ancient times, the One Ring was representative of the overlordship of the Sun, with the other key Eight Rings representing the planetary kingdoms of Earth, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Mercury.” (722:52.271 ff.6)

The planetary Council of Nine is about to manifest once more as the Antichrist, False Prophet and seven kings who will tyrannize mankind during the occult's New Age. We believe that New Agers already know the identity of these individuals through their study of the astrological false gospel, as interpreted by a large body of occult tradition and the current propaganda proliferating through New Age publications. There is no reason that Christians, given the same information available to New Agers, cannot discern and rightly interpret this astrological enigma. The alternative is to be at the mercy of a massive disinformation campaign, conducted by the same New Age network which is planning the Tribulation events that will soon come to pass. This occult underground will use the pseudo-science of astrology to validate the 'divine' bloodline of the Antichrist and False Prophet. The Real Meaning of the Zodiac is a book with a strategic mission in this global deception: to prepare the way for reception, by the lukewarm Laodicean Church, of the demonic cast of characters—fallen angels incarnating human bodies—who will shortly assume their end-time roles.

Miki, this is the truth. Thank you for sharing it. I have seen many new age movements in recent years, influx our city and even our government officials, say they are divinely called into office. I can name two, Senator Ophelia Ford and Mayor Wille Herrington. The truth is the devil will use, seemingly innocent means to fool us. The devil uses the same old bag of tricks, and tries to dress them up in new clothing.

People, don't become as fools. TRUST IN GOD. Believe in JESUS. I depend strictly on GOD'S WORD, constant Prayer and Praise of GOD. I am holding tight to those nail scared hands of JESUS!

Miki pm'd me and asked for this topic to be deleted.

I have moved the post to this debate and controversial section rather than deleting it as requested. While I do not agree with the one who wrote that article, yet it is good to talk about it. Here are my thoughts on it.

The author is leaving out some important facts, such as the fact that the bible itself refers to several constellations by name and alludes to their folklore in a positive way (Job 9:9; 38:31; Amos 5:8), and also we have the magi (astrologers) who by a star knew where the birth of Jesus was, and then there is the book of Revelation that uses language that alludes to heavenly events. My point is that the subject is far from being obviously right or wrong. Good men have studied it and have come to different conclusions. Some believe that the constellations are a corruption of something that God originally gave to man and that they were intended to preach the hope of the coming Christ --- as does the Old Testament. They believe that when the written word came such a thing was no longer needed, but that God still owns it (in its original form) as His own and therefore can still speak by it if He wishes, as He did to the magi in Jesus time. But we are not to try to live our lives by it, of course. But neither do we need to be ignorant about these things.

Many Jews today believe that God speaks by heavenly events and I personally think that during the Great Tribulation that God will give many "signs in the heavens" that will be meaningful to them as based upon the symbolism of some of the constellations that they have come to understand as rooted in their traditions. Is it so far fetched that God would have, say, the star of Bethlehem appear in the constellation of Virgo (the Virgin) since Jesus was born of a virgin and the pagans (though distorted) had a myth based upon Virgo quite similar to the virgin birth story? It reminds me of the rebuke God gave to Job when Job thought himself wiser than God:

Job 38:31-33 "Canst thou fasten the bands of the Pleiades, or loosen the cords of Orion? Dost thou bring forth the constellations each in its season? or dost thou guide the Bear with her sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of the heavens? dost thou determine their rule over the earth?"

Job 9:7-10 "Who commandeth the sun, and it riseth not, and he sealeth up the stars; Who alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the high waves of the sea; Who maketh the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, and the chambers of the south; Who doeth great things past finding out, and wonders without number."

Amo 5:7-8 "Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and cast down righteousness to the earth, seek him that made the Pleiades and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night; that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: Jehovah is his name."

To this I would like to add that the author overstated the differences in the so-called Zodiac in different cultures. In my opinion it is thier agreement that is far more striking than their differences. It's like the different flood accounts in different ancient literature --- the similarities are more striking than the differences and thus suggests a common origin. In the case of the Zodiac maybe it is rooted in pagan Babylon only --- but I am not convinced of this since the bible mentions the said three constellations by name with some of their folklore attached. And even if it is only a pagan idea from the past, to me this does not mean that God cannot use what has become part of man's worldview. It is like a language, and even if it is the invention of man still I think that God can and does speak using it to reach those that have no light but the light of the stars. And then He teaches them that the stars themselves are not to be feared but He that made them, as so says the prophet Amos:

Amo 5:7-8 "Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and cast down righteousness to the earth, seek him that made the Pleiades and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night; that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: Jehovah is his name."

On one occasion, Paul quoted a pagan poet as one accurately describing God (though the rest of his writing are likely wrong), so why can't God likewise use the pagan ideas of the stars to communicate a message even though based upon their own foolish superstitions (if that is all they ever were) telling them to turn from worshiping the stars and created things, to instead worshipping Him who made them? Is this beyond the foreknowledge and sovereignty and mercy of God?

Act 17:24 The God who has made the world and all things which are in it, *he*, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands,
Act 17:25 nor is served by men's hands as needing something, himself giving to all life and breath and all things;
Act 17:26 and has made of one blood every nation of men to dwell upon the whole face of the earth, having determined ordained times and the boundaries of their dwelling,
Act 17:27 that they may seek God; if indeed they might feel after him and find him, although he is not far from each one of us:
Act 17:28 for in him we live and move and exist; as also some of the poets amongst you have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Being therefore the offspring of God, we ought not to think that which is divine to be like gold or silver or stone, the graven form of man's art and imagination.
Act 17:30 God therefore, having overlooked the times of ignorance, now enjoins men that they shall all everywhere repent,

Romans 1

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

I have always believed that God is showing and telling of Himself in all that He has made. He surely did not miss the stars when he did what he did in the above scripture

Yes, and this is what we read in the first chapter of the bible:

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens, to divide between the day and the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;
Gen 1:15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens, to give light on the earth. And it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made the two great lights, the great light to rule the day, and the small light to rule the night, --and the stars.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the expanse of the heavens, to give light on the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to rule during the day and during the night, and to divide between the light and the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And there was evening, and there was morning--a fourth day.

The reason l wanted it delete it is because that persons web site gave me such distress...I didn't believe that the Lord would have her do what she has done but that's just me. I see a lot of truths in what she says and at the same time see there's no way to prove other things...Now some might say the same thing of me.
No concrete proof...but then l'm a nobody without my own personal website.

Astrology distresses me to no end. It's a line that reels you in.

I didn't like Kennedy's ideas. I haven't read Bullinger but l liked the article he wrote...The Ground is Thirsty...

Haven't read Seiss either but l read a couple of things by Jenkins...It was fascinating.

The scriptures you spoke of regarding the heavens and stars captivate astrologers.
It gives them permission...

But l know that road.... and it leads no where but endless calculations and excuses in life...How good to be free. Come on out you astrologers. This is so much better.
Trust the Holy Spirit to lead and not that old ephemeris.

Hi Miki......Love you!

In total agreement, Miki you are loved!


Miki, GOD has called you to have a sound mind. I have to remind myself sometimes about that!

Here is the scripture that I like to remind myself by.....

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Oh the things that I could share, but I can not right now!

I don't believe in astrology. Thank GOD for some things. He has given us so much more to be thankful for. You my friend, are a treasure to me! You have wisdom, and a motherly love! These are things I cherish about you. Oh! and you love gardening, and I do too. But most of all you LOVE GOD! That is why we have met on this great wide cyber space and Christian forum! See GOD'S plans are perfect. I just think that GOD'S ways are so much better than we can imagine. That is why I can call you my friend. He made a way perfect for us to know each other. He gave us everything we need and so much more. Amen.

You're all precious to me...believe it or not.

Oh l believe astrology is real...It is calculable. And it informs. But l wouldn't say l believe in it as though it were a God or something. I always saw it as a scientific mechanical thing. Where you didn't have to believe in spirits or voices but you could see it in black and white... and numbers didn't lie.

But as l delved deeper there came a fear

and then a glitch....

I tried to deny it according to many of the scriptures above....

God says don't do it...Why?

When l turned from those books that captivated me, God placed all the right people in my path. What a mentor he gave!

But God would never send me an x astrologer that was now a Christian to tell me why it worked. Why it was. And why it was wrong.

I think it's taken a level of maturity to understand. It also took some instruction in scripture. Who was God? Who was the Holy Spirit? Those are the things he wanted me to focus on first and foremost.

I eventually saw the heavens as the unfolding majesty of God..But he said don't do it. Don't go there...but he wouldn't tell me why...

One of the things that drove me out was the endless calculating. There was always a 'ya but'. Natal charts, progressed charts...combining charts....A wheel with in a wheel...

l came to realize the complexity of life and to tackle astrology was to take my life in my own hands. How many know that's not a safe place for your life to be? My surrender had to be complete.

I was glad to trust God instead and now l knew he was. He revealed himself in a great outpouring in my life to sustain and protect me...I had so much to learn.

And the Holy Spirit! Wow...I never knew!

Trust has taken on a whole new level of meaning for me over the years.

From 1979 until 2006...hummm where has God taken me? Is God showing me his plan for the stars? Is there yet another interpretation to be seen and accepted?

(I've always wondered if the gift of interpretation of tongues was just the gift of interpretation period? Daniel interpreted dreams...wonder if they fall under the same heading?) Sorry to drift...i was thinking out loud.

I've also had to take divination into account. What is it? What do you break through to when you look underneath? The secret things of God?

God gives us permission according the Spirit to look at certain things. But he's God not us. We are under his authority. The functioning of the Holy Spirit is for specific purposes. He describes some of the ways the Spirit operates in our lives and lists those things made available to us when we are obedient to his word.

He's not going to give us the keys to the car if we haven't read the driving manual.
And there will be a test....

God gives us grace to search out things because it's difficult to believe...He will use some of the more concrete things to help us in the beginning.

And all is him.

The devil trespassed. He said "Go ahead...Take the wheel...you can drive and l know a shortcut..." What the devil meant to ensnare, did. But God used it for his Glory!

Sure it's fascinating to see the mechanical workings of God in all the numbers and heavenly signs but he warns us about weighty matters.

There are just some things that belong to God. I'm glad to put the temptation to know too much to rest. Because I need the rest from striving to know..

It's so great to get up every day and just turn it over to God. I sometimes forget the simplicity of that because we are so pron to get caught up in end times events.

We want to know don't we...

Seems like Ms Aho has brought too much knowledge to my plate. I'm stuffed full. Enough is enough. I've even developed an aversion to the news.

There's too much to know.

That's why it's good to lay it all down and head for the garden.
Or a Bible study full of young people.

Subjective? Yes l am. But it's ok to bring subjective workings to light in an objective sense. That is to say to deal with subjective things in an objective manner. It's good for people who never open their closet doors.

a beautiful post miki,
from a beautiful, and honest heart.
you are loved.


you know something? in 2001, just after 9-11, when the scriptures
"came alive" before my eyes, and i began to diligently search them out, as if i were reading them for the first time, it was too much, at some points...
just the Word of God was, and is, itself a thing that causes me to
tremble.

and i have come to know that the more i learn, the less i really understand the wonder of our God.

the more i learn, the less i seem to KNOW.

and so, i rest with the knowledge of Jesus Christ, and him crucified,
for our sins, and his being raised to life.

sometimes, i prefer to know this, this one thing,
and that one thing, alone.

love to you Miki.

bz

Hey bz...

Love to you too!

Let us be satisfied daily by the bread of Christ crucified for us...Amen!

Is it possible that the ideas of astronomy (and what that entails) gets mixed up with astrology (and what that entails)??


Is it that ludacris for a starry night to tell a story?

Yes...And what a story a starry night told...

I'm sure the constellations where named and divided for a reason and some day we'll know the beginning of things.

Thanks for sharing your heart Miki! I can see where you are coming from, and understand that it is from a good heart that you are warning others and being so cautious. I do know there is an evil in astrology and personally I've really never been interested in it. (not much of a science person) What I have been interested in was my Lord and His Word. I was raised in church from birth but did not truly meet my Saviour until about 12 years ago. He became my life. All I wanted was for Him to open Himself to me and become my all! He is my reason and there is no other. I do marvel at His creation, I am sometimes overwhelmed at what He has created. Look at the birds, flowers, animals, a little baby who can honestly say there is no God. I look at the stars that way I am in AWE!. Not at the Stars but the Maker of The Stars. From my studies yes I do believe that He uses them at times for signs, but I do not get rapped in those signs. They are just a piece of the puzzle.
Romans 1:20 states For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are withtout excuse:

Creation itself is proof of our God, but as the scriptures goes on to say those that thought they were wise started worshipping the creation rather than the Creator, and became Fools. (Valerie's Version) So there certainly needs to be a focus on the Creator yet stand in Awe of what that Creator created.

Love you,

Your Friend In Christ,
Valerie

Messiahiscoming

Miki, that was beautifully expressed affection for the FATHER. I love the garden too, I spend time there just watching things grow. I pull a few weeds, I plant in fertile ground, and soon there is an abundant harvest. It is there that I find GOD speaking to me, through the simple acts of gardening. It is a peace that surpasses all understanding. The day that GOD found you, the angels in heaven were singing! You have a wonderful gift, that shows through all that you speak. That gift is JESUS in you! Amen.

Yes, there are things in this world that we should avoid. I agree and you are not alone. There are many things in my past that I am not proud of. Fortunately, we serve a loving GOD who forgives us of all our ugly sins, and cleans us up and gives us a new and everlasting life. I thank GOD for the Blood shed at Calvary, that cleaned a sinner like me. What a day it will be, when I see JESUS for the very first time. I am looking forward to meeting FATHER face to face, and the Holy Spirit that has dwelt in me and guided me all these years! Oh! I just know that the glory of GOD will be bright and shining; just knowing the unconditional and everlasting love that HE has given to each of us.


I am glad to have you as a mentor too! You give us so much of yourself. You are all the goodness, and mercy and love of the FATHER. It has been manefested in you through the BLOOD purchase and the indwelling HOLY SPIRIT. You are a willing vessel, and GOD is using you!

I love how many women on this forum exhort...and Maz too!

May God bless you all!

Miki,

"I've even developed an aversion to the news." Funny you mention that. The News has become unbearable for me also.

sojourner

I don't think we must mix astronomy with the signs that God places in the sky. I don't think that the star of Bethlehem was astronomy, do you?
I don't think that we must read the future and do divination. That God forbids, but He says that in these times He would place signs in the sky...for who?...for us .
Don't walk after it, but if God opens something to you, take notice. The Word says everything belongs to us, yesterday, tomorrow, and the stars.mmmmI must get that scripture, its lovely.
His ways are not our ways, BUT we have the mind of Christ.So He can reveal it all to us if He wants to .
Perfect love drives out fear, so I can trust Him and His revelations to me.
I do agree Miki that He must be first and walking with Him in the garden , for me , brings revelation. We can ask Him anything, even the deep things of God.
I am not scared , because the Spirit is faithful to convict if I will stray from His ways. In thirty years walking with Him, God has never failed me once.
love C

I don't think we must mix astronomy with the signs that God places in the sky. I don't think that the star of Bethlehem was astronomy, do you?
I don't think that we must read the future and do divination. That God forbids, but He says that in these times He would place signs in the sky...for who?...for us .
Don't walk after it, but if God opens something to you, take notice. The Word says everything belongs to us, yesterday, tomorrow, and the stars.mmmmI must get that scripture, its lovely.
His ways are not our ways, BUT we have the mind of Christ.So He can reveal it all to us if He wants to .
Perfect love drives out fear, so I can trust Him and His revelations to me.
I do agree Miki that He must be first and walking with Him in the garden , for me , brings revelation. We can ask Him anything, even the deep things of God.
I am not scared , because the Spirit is faithful to convict if I will stray from His ways. In thirty years walking with Him, God has never failed me once.
love C

No God doesn't fail us, we fail him....

hey miki.
did you happen to see the history channel's shows about the presidents?
last night, there was one on about the involvement of presidents with astrologers and mediums in the "white" house, their visions, premonitions, etc., starting with George Washington. also discussed was the 20-year curse that began with "tippecanoe and tyler too".
they say that reagan broke that curse...surviving the assasination attempt on his life, early in his presidency.

edgar casey, jeanne dixon, etc. ...the one used by nancy reagan, i do not remember her name, but they spoke every day....with the "charts".

lincoln with his wife mary, brought in a medium to speak with thier dead son....in the white house.

roosevelt was the first to use dixon, but this was kept very secret...until recently.

seems that jeanne dixon furnished herself "much gain" with a "spirit of prediction." a demon of divination.

this nation has used divination from its beginnings.

yet, they claim, IN GOD WE TRUST.

the world has drunk the wine of her adulteries, and the nations have become drunk from it, and the merchants have become rich due to her.

"acts of injustice"? there are many to see.


history: the telephone, electric lighting, the automobile, the airplane, the phonograph, .....this list is very long....all these were originated from one place...and spread like wildfire across the world.
and still so today....

for the first time in history, the US has become a bigger IMPORTER than and exporter....

it is no wonder then, that when she falls, as she will, that the merchants of the world will weep, for there is no one to but their FULL STOCK anymore....

the judgement is near. the warning was given 9-11.
that was the time of the "writing on the wall" street.

on the fringes of the destruction (ground zero)
are the streets called:
CHURCH
and
LIBERTY

and there is a BROADWAY
and there is a WALLSTREET.

and glorified there, in a place of glory and honor,
is a bronze BULL.

but these things are discerned by what is already written in GODS's Word.


Revelation chapter 17, and 18. 19, too.


yeah miki, i agree with you.
"astrology" has always been a big NO-NO.

but then, the king of Babylon in ancient times,
when he was at the crossroads,
stood still,
and cast lots.

this has always been the case with world leaders....
even Saul did this evil thing.

there truly is nothing that is new under the sun.

But it is GOD, by means of Christ JESUS who LOOK!
IS MAKING ALL THINGS NEW!

May we worship the ONLY TRUE GOD, JEHOVAH, through and by means of our mediator, JESUS CHRIST.

but what things Jesus said are true, and have been, and will yet come to be.

Jehovah means, "He who causes to become".


love to you.
love love love.
bz

BZ, well said... wow!

Thank you all for this discussion and information. It is really personal to me because for many years and even now I behold the heavenly sky in a unique manner of hearing the Lord through His Word in relation to signs and wonders in the sky. I in no way am chosing astrology and I know this in my spirit and soul. I'm drawn to look up because I hear the Lord. I'm in awe of Him through what I see and how His Word comes alive to me so clearly and continually when I behold the heavens.
I can hardly explain it and I admit that the wind was knocked out of me as I read the debate and info regarding astrology. Some of the books mentioned I have but I don't use them or consider them depicting astrology. I don't and wouldn't own astrological material. I never once have been moved to worship the stars. I don't secretly desire to chart my horoscope, etc.
However, upon looking up at the night sky, my mouth opens to commune with the Lord and to hear the Holy Spirit in a way that I can't explain. I'm not talking to the stars or Zeus, etc. The Lords says that His sheep know His voice. So, I take my telescope outside and sit on my roof and laugh and talk with the Lord as a child would her dad while fishing.
After reading the article, I felt that I had been violated that after all these years of intimate times with the Holy Spirit that possibly it was not real or worst that I'd been deceived into being involved with witchcraft. I know occults, New Agers, those void of the truth use and pervert things of God. I rely on the Holy Spirit to let me know what steps to take in growing in the things of God. I just want to hear the Father and know Him not through the stars and planets (again I can't explain it)
I want to thank you, Shekel, for your comments because I was able to exhale. Does anyone know what I mean when I talk about having a one of a kind intimate and personal way of communicating with the Lord? Never apart from His Word but in utilizing something such as the heavenly sky I hear beyond my soul deep into my spirit. For instance, when God speaks of Orion in Job, I can see the awesome responsibility this constellation carries in representing Gods purpose because God called him by name in His Word and it is important to me in knowing more of God why He speaks of Orion.
Orions breastplate declares the Breastplate of Righteousness to me, the sword depicts the sword of the Spirit, the shield reveals the shield of faith and I am reminded to put on the whole armour of God. It points me to the Lord --hence a sign. I'm going to take my books out of the trash and rejoice in trusting in the Lord. Hopefully, someone will respond to this one way or another. Because even this discussion has confirmed what none can take away. He speaks to me and I am His alone.

Respectfully,

Consecratedlisa

I used to read my horoscope(in the paper) but it was never right so I always figured it was baloney. I'm still convinced it is. It's sad people waste their money on it.

Lisa,

Thank you for this wonderful post. I know what you are talking about. One reason l wanted to take this topic off was because the original article brought the same kind of grief to me. As l started swallow it got stuck in my throat (thank God...) but not unto death because the Lord revived me...Thanks, yes, to Shekel also for a hand in deep waters. He's been good to us..patient...and long suffering.
I look forward to hearing more from you...M



[quote=whaleyl,May 27 2006, 05:12 AM]
Thank you all for this discussion and information. It is really personal to me because for many years and even now I behold the heavenly sky in a unique manner of hearing the Lord through His Word in relation to signs and wonders in the sky. I in no way am chosing astrology and I know this in my spirit and soul. I'm drawn to look up because I hear the Lord. I'm in awe of Him through what I see and how His Word comes alive to me so clearly and continually when I behold the heavens.
I can hardly explain it and I admit that the wind was knocked out of me as I read the debate and info regarding astrology. Some of the books mentioned I have but I don't use them or consider them depicting astrology. I don't and wouldn't own astrological material. I never once have been moved to worship the stars. I don't secretly desire to chart my horoscope, etc.
However, upon looking up at the night sky, my mouth opens to commune with the Lord and to hear the Holy Spirit in a way that I can't explain. I'm not talking to the stars or Zeus, etc. The Lords says that His sheep know His voice. So, I take my telescope outside and sit on my roof and laugh and talk with the Lord as a child would her dad while fishing.
After reading the article, I felt that I had been violated that after all these years of intimate times with the Holy Spirit that possibly it was not real or worst that I'd been deceived into being involved with witchcraft. I know occults, New Agers, those void of the truth use and pervert things of God. I rely on the Holy Spirit to let me know what steps to take in growing in the things of God. I just want to hear the Father and know Him not through the stars and planets (again I can't explain it)
I want to thank you, Shekel, for your comments because I was able to exhale. Does anyone know what I mean when I talk about having a one of a kind intimate and personal way of communicating with the Lord? Never apart from His Word but in utilizing something such as the heavenly sky I hear beyond my soul deep into my spirit. For instance, when God speaks of Orion in Job, I can see the awesome responsibility this constellation carries in representing Gods purpose because God called him by name in His Word and it is important to me in knowing more of God why He speaks of Orion.
Orions breastplate declares the Breastplate of Righteousness to me, the sword depicts the sword of the Spirit, the shield reveals the shield of faith and I am reminded to put on the whole armour of God. It points me to the Lord --hence a sign. I'm going to take my books out of the trash and rejoice in trusting in the Lord. Hopefully, someone will respond to this one way or another. Because even this discussion has confirmed what none can take away. He speaks to me and I am His alone.

Respectfully,

Consecratedlisa
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Here Shekel said:

"On one occasion, Paul quoted a pagan poet as one accurately describing God (though the rest of his writing are likely wrong), so why can't God likewise use the pagan ideas of the stars to communicate a message even though based upon their own foolish superstitions (if that is all they ever were) telling them to turn from worshiping the stars and created things, to instead worshipping Him who made them? Is this beyond the foreknowledge and sovereignty and mercy of God"?

And God's answer to Job is the answer that he's given to me as well..."Who are you to say"?...

but thank God for chastisement because it is bitter sweet unto salvation from the devils snare.

Hi Miki.....

I've been glancing over the thread and reading your feelings on Astrology. I have to agree with you Miki....Astrology is....bad news.

I use to do Physic Astrology Readings on people....and my girl friend did the Astrology charts....I do not like math this was over 30 years ago. I wanted to share with you something that happened to me and my friends.

I stopped doing the Readings because they were so accurate.....and people were shocked what I knew (what demons knew...really). One day a male school mate of mine told me that I knew more about him than his wife in those readings....for some reason that stunned me and I felt ashamed. And I thought it was not right for me to know those "things" about other people....so I stopped doing it.

One day I saw an old school friend and she invited me and my husband over for dinner. We had a nice time and chatted and one thing lead to another and we started talkin about Astrology. They said they had a friend who was also interesed in astrology and was planning to have her chart done.

It has been weeks later and I had an urgency to give my friend a call....and she shounded stressed. She said the Astrology stuff bothered her....and she did not like talking about Occult related stuff. I told her that I understood. She was aslo troubled that I had ESP....and wondered if I was reading her mind. I said it doesn't work like that with me.....but that I understood and that I didn't mean to spook her out.

Again weeks later she would be on my mind and I'd call her. This time I really spooked her out....for each time that I called her....her friends were over at her home and they had been talking "about me" when I called and they always come unexpectedly to her home. Now she was really spooked out. I told her I was sorry....that I made her feel uncomfortable and told her I'd try not to bother her again. But, a couple of weeks later I felt an urgency to call her again.

Wow.... now she was really scared. I told her to tell me what was going on with her and her friends. I told her that I felt there was some kind of connection to us and I did't know why....but for some reason I needed to talk to her. She told me that her friend's husband was over and that his wife had gone to see the astrologer to have her chart done. I felt the hair on the back of my neck go up.... I told her to tell her husband to stop his wife....to go get her or whatever.....but she was not to have her chart done. I told her I don't know why I'm telling you this....but may be the Lord does not want your friend to do this.....I don't know.....but, I feel something bad will happen if she has it done. With that.....she said she would tell her friend and call me back later. I prayed for her and her friends I did not feel danger for me....but I felt danger for them. So I prayed a long time for them especially her friends.

Several day went by and then I got a call from her. She asked if my husband and I could come over and see them....she need to tell me what had happened the night I called when her friend was there.

When we arrived she feed us cake and coffee and began to tell the story. After I had called her and we talked she did what I said to do. She told the husand to go get his wife and stop her from having her chart drawn. He called his wife on the phone, and told her to come home immediatly.....and not to have her chart drawn. When she got home her husband had all her Occult books and Astrology books in a gunny sack. He told her that he had been having bad feelings all along about her having her chart done, and he tried not to interfere, but he felt a danger for her and when I kept calling when they were visiting my friend's house he felt it was to weird to be a coincedence. Then when I called that night while he was there.....he knew there was a reason. So that night he and his wife drove along the river bank on a dead end road. He parked the car and threw the books into the river and got back into the car. He sat there a few minutes visibably shaken over the whole thing. He had a horrible feeling as he walked back to the car, as if something evil was about to happen....like maybe the books would be laying on his door step when they got back home. Just then a dark truck pulled up along side of his car. When he looked at the person, he almost had a heart attack. He said the man's face was a bight green like his skin was lite from inside and his eyes were lite up like fire.....and he howled like an animal and smiled an evil smile at the both of them.... then speed away down the road in the truck. Both he and his wife saw this person or demon. They were in shock.....but he was so curious so much so.....that he drove down along the river to the end of the road.....and there was no truck....nothing! And there was no place to go off-road either. Yet both he and his wife saw what they saw.....

They returned home safe and sound. No books on the doorstep. And very glad they got rid of all the books. They both prayed and asked for forgiveness for being involved in Astrology.

Get this.....the lady that was going to do the lady's chart was my friend.....after I told my friend what happened she stopped doing Astrology(she also was a Christian).....and she too was very good at it. All involved were Christians.

I guess what I am saying is.....I believe there is something evil in Astrology....something connected in a dark way to it.....and those (Christians) who venture to far....may run into forces they never reckoned to run into and encounter something....they wish they hadn't. A word to the wise....stay away.....stay far away.

God Bess you Miki marie<><

Scripture says the heavens are for the angels and I know the entire story is in the heavens....all the future is written in the stars and THAT story of the future of Jesus is propably what Abraham was taken out to see in the desert by God Himself.

But it also says that it is not ment for us. Think of it rationally as well; we were not even supposed to SEE the stars except that evil came into the earth and God had to close up the shroud around the earth to form clouds that would rain (for the first time in history) and flood the earth to flood the earth. Gathering clouds left gaps we could see through to the heavens. That we even see stars, though they are lovely, is the rememberence that evil exists.

Secondly, remember the priest that went into the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle in the desert? He wore a breastplate with all the stones of the tribes...but on the shoulders of the same breastplate were large white diamonds....stars. When God had something to say to His children, the priest stood before the golden lampstand and light from the lamp (Jesus) and lit from the 7 viles of oil (the Holy Spirit) shone upon the diamonds on the priests shoulders (stars) and the light bounced back to the candlestick lighting and went from one letter to another (on the candlestick was written the alphabet of the Hebrew language. It actually spelled out what God wanted them to do. There was no guessing.

Sound familiar? Sound like Satan is trying to create and mimic (as he always does, because he can not create anything himself) the things of God?

That is the difference between Godly and Satanic. Astronomy and Astrology. The candlestick and the...however you spell the board with all the letters...Oegy? (sp).

The godly and the satanic, in unfamiliar territory can look so similar as to be confusing and we will stumble without meaning to offend...we have Jesus, praise the Father.

leia

Marie...I'm glad you saw the light.

I don't like to talk to much about it any more. I know you'll understand.

Yes...Miki.....I understand.

I wanted share with you and to witness to those who might dabble with it. They say its just for fun.....it's just a game. NOT!!! Toys R-us carries the board and you can work one on a web site....very dangerous times for our children.

Lea you are right....Satan likes to mimic God.....

Lea where did you get the information on the high priest in the Temple and and how God spoke to his people through the breat plate and stones??? I'v been interesting in reading it.

God Bless marie<><

I don't even like going back to this string because it was a distressing time of doubt for me.

But this morning l was refreshed as l reread. What a blessing of support you were!

It was hard at that time to adequately express my appreciation towards you all. Thank you!

God has confused the visions of the astrologers. It was used in the Old Testament as a divining force and you can still use it because you have those writings of old that were made about certain people and they came true so they stockpiled the true ones and that is all they can use today to say anything about what is going to happen, like, 'Do not lead your horse to this water, he may drink it and die,' but they make the words to mean different things and they come up with 'In the year ahead, the horses may be with you, but don't drink the water.'

Miki there is power in you; it's like, I get so mad because you think that and I go to explaining and I think, if miki would not have said that I would not have tried to find out why.

Thank you Miki.

Much of what we view in astrology today are the remnants of an ancient time when the skies looked much different than what we experience today, or in that last few thousand years.
Skies in which planets were much closer, interactive even with that of Earth.
There is a shift in Science happening even now as we speak.
The clockwork appearance of our solar system as we experience it today was not always so, and ancient Myth from around the world tries to tell us.
Funny how ancient civilizations, who built Cities and managed them ALL around the world, From North and South America, to Asia, to Russia and Europe, made Laws, Organized Militaries, Upheld economies, Yet they all told similar stories attributed to "Artistic Expression", or "Lunacy".
Much of this ties in with historical accounts in the Bible, and are not seen for what they are because None of it has been experienced in thousands of years. Satan has done a good job on hiding the reality that was our ancient past.
Modern Science Hides this well, and has for years. If your interested in learning more, let me know.
Science Truely does Glorify The Lord through and through.