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#1 The Antichrist will not sign the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. It will be signed by some other peace negotiator (not mentioned in prophecy) before the Antichrist is revealed!

#2 The Rapture will not happen before the last 7 years of this age. Only the Jewish survivors hiding in the wilderness, and anyone who survived the persecution of the Antichrist, will be Raptured at the Last Trump.

#3 The Tribulation will not last 7 years. Daniel's 70th begins with the signing of a 7 year peace treaty with Israel and for 3 1/2 years the world experiences a time of peace and prosperity. Only after the middle of the 7 years does "tribulation" begin for Christians who are persecuted for not taking the mark of the Antichrist (he is revealed then). The Wrath of God happens at the end of the 7 years.

#4 The Antichrist will not die from a head wound and recover. The Beast that is wounded and revives is the Revived Roman Empire composed of 10 nations headed by the Antichrist. It is the Roman Empire which was wounded and will revive in the end times.

#5 The Jewish temple will not be rebuilt before Jesus returns. The secret excavated Holy of Holies (referred to as the Sanctuary Fortress) already exists under centuries of ruble beneath the Arab Dome of the Rock. Sacrifices will continue there until the Antichrist stops them and sets up his Abomination of Desolation on the altar there.

#6 The Antichrist will not implant people with a computer chip. He will mark people with a UPC tattoo containing the encription of the numbers 666 in the double bars at the beginning, middle, and end of the symbol. This will be an invisible infrared mark that will be used to buy and sell in the New Economic Order.

#7 Christians will live and reign with Christ on earth in the Millennium. Christians will be on earth during the Millennium with Jesus- not in New Jerusalem. They will enter that final home only after the Millennium.

#8 There will not be a rebellion after the Millennnium from anyone living during the Millennnium. The lost of all ages will stand on earth after the Millennium and be lead by a recently released Satan to fight against the Saints in Jerusalem. They are Gog and Magog returned to life and are destroyed by fire from heaven and stand before God to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White Throne Judgement.

*Biblical references to the prophecies above can be found at: grandunifiedprophecies.blogspot.com
Orates
Shaun333
So basically all that we have been taught, through biblical teachings and prophecy is false and these reasons are true, not to mention most things you say are completely unheard of. You state these points like they are from God's mouth directly.

#1Backup? #2Reasoning? #3Links? #4Anything?

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#1 The Antichrist will not sign the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. It will be signed by some other peace negotiator (not mentioned in prophecy) before the Antichrist is revealed!


I have the same thoughts on this. I wonder if you could supply scripture that supports this view?



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#2 The Rapture will not happen before the last 7 years of this age. Only the Jewish survivors hiding in the wilderness, and anyone who survived the persecution of the Antichrist, will be Raptured at the Last Trump.


I agree.



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#3 The Tribulation will not last 7 years. Daniel's 70th begins with the signing of a 7 year peace treaty with Israel and for 3 1/2 years the world experiences a time of peace and prosperity. Only after the middle of the 7 years does "tribulation" begin for Christians who are persecuted for not taking the mark of the Antichrist (he is revealed then). The Wrath of God happens at the end of the 7 years.


I agree.



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#4 The Antichrist will not die from a head wound and recover. The Beast that is wounded and revives is the Revived Roman Empire composed of 10 nations headed by the Antichrist. It is the Roman Empire which was wounded and will revive in the end times.


I disagree. The OT scriptures supports the view that the Anti-christ will recieve a wound to his right eye and also his arm will be withered.

Zechariah 11:17
“ Woe to the worthless shepherd, Who leaves the flock! A sword shall be against his arm And against his right eye; His arm shall completely wither, And his right eye shall be totally blinded.”

But again i am interested in your scripture support against this?



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#5 The Jewish temple will not be rebuilt before Jesus returns. The secret excavated Holy of Holies (referred to as the Sanctuary Fortress) already exists under centuries of ruble beneath the Arab Dome of the Rock. Sacrifices will continue there until the Antichrist stops them and sets up his Abomination of Desolation on the altar there.


I have no strong feelings on this. He will stop the sacrifices that i believe. But you may be right that the temple might not need to be rebuilt.



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#6 The Antichrist will not implant people with a computer chip. He will mark people with a UPC tattoo containing the encription of the numbers 666 in the double bars at the beginning, middle, and end of the symbol. This will be an invisible infrared mark that will be used to buy and sell in the New Economic Order.


i still think the chip is the most likely. The KJV states that the mark will be IN the forhead or IN the right hand. A bar code is external. It is true that the bar code is from the same system that the chip wil be from, that is why the bar code has the 666 bars on it.



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#7 Christians will live and reign with Christ on earth in the Millennium. Christians will be on earth during the Millennium with Jesus- not in New Jerusalem. They will enter that final home only after the Millennium.


The camp of the saints will be near Jerusalem. Because at the final rebellion the army of satan will suround Jerusalem and the camp of the saints.

Revelation 20:
9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.




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#8 There will not be a rebellion after the Millennnium from anyone living during the Millennnium. The lost of all ages will stand on earth after the Millennium and be lead by a recently released Satan to fight against the Saints in Jerusalem. They are Gog and Magog returned to life and are destroyed by fire from heaven and stand before God to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White Throne Judgement.


I disagree. The OT scriptures clearly state that the surrounding nations will be forced to come to Jerusalem during the millennium to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Read the entire chapter of Zec 14 and you will see that this happens After the return of Jesus and the defeat of the army of the anti-christ. It is the descendants of these people who will join satan to launch the final rebellion against Jerusalem and the camp of the saints.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Marta
QUOTE(Adstar @ Mar 26 2006, 08:20 PM)
Hi Orates  smile.gif

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#1 The Antichrist will not sign the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. It will be signed by some other peace negotiator (not mentioned in prophecy) before the Antichrist is revealed!


I have the same thoughts on this. I wonder if you could supply scripture that supports this view?



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#2 The Rapture will not happen before the last 7 years of this age. Only the Jewish survivors hiding in the wilderness, and anyone who survived the persecution of the Antichrist, will be Raptured at the Last Trump.


I agree.



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#3 The Tribulation will not last 7 years. Daniel's 70th begins with the signing of a 7 year peace treaty with Israel and for 3 1/2 years the world experiences a time of peace and prosperity. Only after the middle of the 7 years does "tribulation" begin for Christians who are persecuted for not taking the mark of the Antichrist (he is revealed then). The Wrath of God happens at the end of the 7 years.


I agree.



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#4 The Antichrist will not die from a head wound and recover. The Beast that is wounded and revives is the Revived Roman Empire composed of 10 nations headed by the Antichrist. It is the Roman Empire which was wounded and will revive in the end times.


I disagree. The OT scriptures supports the view that the Anti-christ will recieve a wound to his right eye and also his arm will be withered.

Zechariah 11:17
“ Woe to the worthless shepherd, Who leaves the flock! A sword shall be against his arm And against his right eye; His arm shall completely wither, And his right eye shall be totally blinded.”

But again i am interested in your scripture support against this?



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#5 The Jewish temple will not be rebuilt before Jesus returns. The secret excavated Holy of Holies (referred to as the Sanctuary Fortress) already exists under centuries of ruble beneath the Arab Dome of the Rock. Sacrifices will continue there until the Antichrist stops them and sets up his Abomination of Desolation on the altar there.


I have no strong feelings on this. He will stop the sacrifices that i believe. But you may be right that the temple might not need to be rebuilt.



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#6 The Antichrist will not implant people with a computer chip. He will mark people with a UPC tattoo containing the encription of the numbers 666 in the double bars at the beginning, middle, and end of the symbol. This will be an invisible infrared mark that will be used to buy and sell in the New Economic Order.


i still think the chip is the most likely. The KJV states that the mark will be IN the forhead or IN the right hand. A bar code is external. It is true that the bar code is from the same system that the chip wil be from, that is why the bar code has the 666 bars on it.



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#7 Christians will live and reign with Christ on earth in the Millennium. Christians will be on earth during the Millennium with Jesus- not in New Jerusalem. They will enter that final home only after the Millennium.


The camp of the saints will be near Jerusalem. Because at the final rebellion the army of satan will suround Jerusalem and the camp of the saints.

Revelation 20:
9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.




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#8 There will not be a rebellion after the Millennnium from anyone living during the Millennnium. The lost of all ages will stand on earth after the Millennium and be lead by a recently released Satan to fight against the Saints in Jerusalem. They are Gog and Magog returned to life and are destroyed by fire from heaven and stand before God to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White Throne Judgement.


I disagree. The OT scriptures clearly state that the surrounding nations will be forced to come to Jerusalem during the millennium to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Read the entire chapter of Zec 14 and you will see that this happens After the return of Jesus and the defeat of the army of the anti-christ. It is the descendants of these people who will join satan to launch the final rebellion against Jerusalem and the camp of the saints.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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Totally agree Adstar.

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Doesn't the AC 'CONFIRM' this 7 year treaty and also it is possible that it could already exist......just needs someone to CONFIRM it.

I'd also like to point out that the 666 and UPC barcode theory was SO 1970's!

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Welcome to the forum Socrates.......er......Orates
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Orates, why have I seen your posts before????THE SAME EXACT POSTS-ON OTHER FORUM BOARDS?????? 1dsz5f1.gif

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End-Time Calling
Yes the anitchrist true identity will not be revealed untill the abomination of desolation. YEs it will be him who signs the treaty will Israel incognito, The first 3 1/2 years will not be peacefull. IT will be for Israel, not for the rest of the world.There will be birth pangs. Earthquakes, famines, wars, and rumors of wars. Only Israel will live in a false peace for 3 1/2 year untill antichrist and his armies invade Jerusalem, desecrate the temple, show his true identity, claim himself as god. Then at the abomination of desolation when his true identity is reveal the jews will be terrified to know with whom he is, and flee. No peace for the rest of us.
Charlie
QUOTE(Orates @ Mar 26 2006, 01:55 PM)
#1 The Antichrist will not sign the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. It will be signed by some other peace negotiator (not mentioned in prophecy) before the Antichrist is revealed!

#2 The Rapture will not happen before the last 7 years of this age. Only the Jewish survivors hiding in the wilderness, and anyone who survived the persecution of the Antichrist, will be Raptured at the Last Trump.

#3 The Tribulation will not last 7 years. Daniel's 70th begins with the signing of a 7 year peace treaty with Israel and for 3 1/2 years the world experiences a time of peace and prosperity. Only after the middle of the 7 years does "tribulation" begin for Christians who are persecuted for not taking the mark of the Antichrist (he is revealed then). The Wrath of God happens at the end of the 7 years.

#4 The Antichrist will not die from a head wound and recover. The Beast that is wounded and revives is the Revived Roman Empire composed of 10 nations headed by the Antichrist. It is the Roman Empire which was wounded and will revive in the end times.

#5 The Jewish temple will not be rebuilt before Jesus returns. The secret excavated Holy of Holies (referred to as the Sanctuary Fortress) already exists under centuries of ruble beneath the Arab Dome of the Rock. Sacrifices will continue there until the Antichrist stops them and sets up his Abomination of Desolation on the altar there.

#6 The Antichrist will not implant people with a computer chip. He will mark people with a UPC tattoo containing the encription of the numbers 666 in the double bars at the beginning, middle, and end of the symbol. This will be an invisible infrared mark that will be used to buy and sell in the New Economic Order.

#7 Christians will live and reign with Christ on earth in the Millennium. Christians will be on earth during the Millennium with Jesus- not in New Jerusalem. They will enter that final home only after the Millennium.

#8 There will not be a rebellion after the Millennnium from anyone living during the Millennnium. The lost of all ages will stand on earth after the Millennium and be lead by a recently released Satan to fight against the Saints in Jerusalem. They are Gog and Magog returned to life and are destroyed by fire from heaven and stand before God to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire at the Great White Throne Judgement.

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1. You will not see a antichrist because these doctrines that you are trying to decipher are his.

2. The rapture will not happen at all because the rapture doctrine also belongs to him.

3 The great tribulation will start by the lord taking the weather and water from the planet and will last only 3.5 years.

4 The beast that was wounded is already revived and you are living in it and bowing the knee to it.

5. The temple has already been built by Christ. It is the temple of God built without human hands.

6. The beast has already given you its number and you use it and the mark that it requires for your citizenship with it.

7. Only the saints will reign with Christ in the kingdom. They will be priests to God and to the Lamb. The subjects of the kingdom will still be mortal people.

8. All of those who will not come out of the flesh before the end of the millennium will indeed rebel when they are left alone for a while. The evil brood will never be named.


Charlie





revelations-13
yes you are correct the abomination of desolation has nothing to do with that.
bonomike
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yes you are correct the abomination of desolation has nothing to do with that.


Wouldn't the Jews reestablishing a daily animal sacrifice be an abomination in God's eyes, since his own Son already paid the horrible price for sin?

Can one abominate something that's already abominable?

It leaves one to question this particular interpretation by many of the modern-day prophecy expositors.

In Christ,

Mike
Josh
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