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Whew!
Has anybody else here read this article? I would really like to have some confirmation on some things that I got from it.
sojourner
Has anybody else here read this article? I would really like to have some confirmation on some things that I got from it.
sojourner
QUOTE(sojourner @ Mar 29 2006, 08:46 AM)
Whew!
Has anybody else here read this article? I would really like to have some confirmation on some things that I got from it.
sojourner
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Has anybody else here read this article? I would really like to have some confirmation on some things that I got from it.
sojourner
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Yes, and it is a HUH? Moment for me!
Challenging and worth reading will endeavour to do so with the caveat of being aware of the need to rightly discern.
Whats up with it saying that people whom take the mark of the beast, can be saved through babtism, but only by those whom also have taken the mark.
Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
Many will come with false prophecies, false doctrines, false teachings. We are to be aware of these things. The Holy Spirit that GOD has given to us, becomes grieved when these things are presented as truth, when they are not truth at all, but a manipulation of the deceiver.
Let no man deceive you, READ THE WORD OF GOD. If it does not fit GOD'S WORD, don't believe it!
Let no man deceive you, READ THE WORD OF GOD. If it does not fit GOD'S WORD, don't believe it!
QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Mar 30 2006, 12:12 AM)
Whats up with it saying that people whom take the mark of the beast, can be saved through babtism, but only by those whom also have taken the mark.
Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
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Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
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Revelation also says:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
In my opinion liars are all people! Bible is book of life!
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Will have more priority against Revelation 21:8 same as Revelation 14:9
Please don't mix God-Father with beast!
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Mar 30 2006, 02:02 AM)
QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Mar 30 2006, 12:12 AM)
Whats up with it saying that people whom take the mark of the beast, can be saved through babtism, but only by those whom also have taken the mark.
Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
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Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
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Revelation also says:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
In my opinion liars are all people! Bible is book of life!
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Will have more priority against Revelation 21:8 same as Revelation 14:9
Please don't mix God-Father with beast!
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Nickols_k; I think the webste you posted is misleading. The mark of the beast is not the saving mark that JESUS followers will recieve. The 666 is the mark of the beast. That is the mark for those who do NOT choose JESUS. The website you posted says that the clarivoyants told this stuff. Clarivoyants are not of GOD. The Bible says for us to not trust in soothsayers.
Micah 5:12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
Jeremiah 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Zechariah 10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
GOD'S Saints will receive a seal before the MARK of the Beast is given....
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This is a seperate sealing of GOD'S Saints than that of the Beast.
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Mar 30 2006, 10:18 AM)
Nickols_k; I think the webste you posted is misleading. The mark of the beast is not the saving mark that JESUS followers will recieve. The 666 is the mark of the beast. That is the mark for those who do NOT choose JESUS. The website you posted says that the clarivoyants told this stuff. Clarivoyants are not of GOD. The Bible says for us to not trust in soothsayers.
666 is NUMBER of men which anyway will be saved with mark of beast!
Clairvoyants say only that what are watching through their eyes!
Are you trusting to your eyes? Which things have more priority for you - visual information or your understanding of Bible?
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Mar 30 2006, 10:18 AM)
Micah 5:12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
Jeremiah 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Zechariah 10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
Jeremiah 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Zechariah 10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
These prophecies are not for all nations! These prophecies were said a long ago!
These prophecies were said to hebrews which had a lot of sins for that moment of time!
You should imaging self external events which caused appearance of those prophecies!
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Mar 30 2006, 10:18 AM)
GOD'S Saints will receive a seal before the MARK of the Beast is given....
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This is a seperate sealing of GOD'S Saints than that of the Beast.
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Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This is a seperate sealing of GOD'S Saints than that of the Beast.
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Revelation 7:3 is not for all people!
Btw, are clairvoyants watching the seal of Lamb on your head?
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 1 2006, 03:42 AM)
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Mar 30 2006, 10:18 AM)
Nickols_k; I think the webste you posted is misleading. The mark of the beast is not the saving mark that JESUS followers will recieve. The 666 is the mark of the beast. That is the mark for those who do NOT choose JESUS. The website you posted says that the clarivoyants told this stuff. Clarivoyants are not of GOD. The Bible says for us to not trust in soothsayers.
666 is NUMBER of men which anyway will be saved with mark of beast!
Clairvoyants say only that what are watching through their eyes!
Are you trusting to your eyes? Which things have more priority for you - visual information or your understanding of Bible?
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Mar 30 2006, 10:18 AM)
Micah 5:12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:
Jeremiah 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Zechariah 10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
Jeremiah 29:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
Zechariah 10:2 For the idols have spoken vanity, and the diviners have seen a lie, and have told false dreams; they comfort in vain: therefore they went their way as a flock, they were troubled, because there was no shepherd.
These prophecies are not for all nations! These prophecies were said a long ago!
These prophecies were said to hebrews which had a lot of sins for that moment of time!
You should imaging self external events which caused appearance of those prophecies!
QUOTE(onetiggerroo @ Mar 30 2006, 10:18 AM)
GOD'S Saints will receive a seal before the MARK of the Beast is given....
Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This is a seperate sealing of GOD'S Saints than that of the Beast.
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Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This is a seperate sealing of GOD'S Saints than that of the Beast.
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Revelation 7:3 is not for all people!
Btw, are clairvoyants watching the seal of Lamb on your head?
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Nicolas,
Are you serious? I see several WRONG things in your post.
Please allow me to address one thing at a time here.
First of all......you said:
QUOTE
666 is NUMBER of men which anyway will be saved with mark of beast!
Revelation 13:18 (King James Version)
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Man is equated to the number 6, but triplify it and see you have the son of perdition..the antichrist.
Man was created on the SIXTH day:
And God said, Let us make MAN in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. . . .
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the SIXTH day. (Gen. 1:26, 27, 31)
QUOTE(Marta @ Apr 1 2006, 04:14 PM)
Nicolas,
Are you serious? I see several WRONG things in your post.
Please allow me to address one thing at a time here.
First of all......you said:
Revelation 13:18 (King James Version)
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Are you serious? I see several WRONG things in your post.
Please allow me to address one thing at a time here.
First of all......you said:
QUOTE
666 is NUMBER of men which anyway will be saved with mark of beast!
Revelation 13:18 (King James Version)
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Russain bible says: for it is the men's number
using plural form
QUOTE(Marta @ Apr 1 2006, 04:14 PM)
Man is equated to the number 6, but triplify it and see you have the son of perdition..the antichrist.
Man was created on the SIXTH day:
And God said, Let us make MAN in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. . . .
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the SIXTH day. (Gen. 1:26, 27, 31)
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Man was created on the SIXTH day:
And God said, Let us make MAN in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. . . .
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the SIXTH day. (Gen. 1:26, 27, 31)
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You really need to pray for wisdom!
666 is number of beast and men's number simultaneously!
That's means number of MEN which will be saved with seal of the beast!
After receiving the seal of beast nobody has possibility to say: "I'm man"
and becomes a fallen angel! Please believe me, since it's STORY OF MY LIFE!
I'm not ready to translate you status which is being assigned in moment of receiving the seal of beast! Same status have all people which were rised from afterlife world by Jesus and other men!
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 2 2006, 08:45 AM)
QUOTE(Marta @ Apr 1 2006, 04:14 PM)
Nicolas,
Are you serious? I see several WRONG things in your post.
Please allow me to address one thing at a time here.
First of all......you said:
Revelation 13:18 (King James Version)
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Are you serious? I see several WRONG things in your post.
Please allow me to address one thing at a time here.
First of all......you said:
QUOTE
666 is NUMBER of men which anyway will be saved with mark of beast!
Revelation 13:18 (King James Version)
18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Russain bible says: for it is the men's number
using plural form
QUOTE(Marta @ Apr 1 2006, 04:14 PM)
Man is equated to the number 6, but triplify it and see you have the son of perdition..the antichrist.
Man was created on the SIXTH day:
And God said, Let us make MAN in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. . . .
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the SIXTH day. (Gen. 1:26, 27, 31)
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Man was created on the SIXTH day:
And God said, Let us make MAN in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. . . .
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the SIXTH day. (Gen. 1:26, 27, 31)
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You really need to pray for wisdom!
666 is number of beast and men's number simultaneously!
That's means number of MEN which will be saved with seal of the beast!
After receiving the seal of beast nobody has possibility to say: "I'm man"
and becomes a fallen angel! Please believe me, since it's STORY OF MY LIFE!
I'm not ready to translate you status which is being assigned in moment of receiving the seal of beast! Same status have all people which were rised from afterlife world by Jesus and other men!
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Put it this way, nickols, it is NOT a good thing to be marked with the number of the beast 666. It is better to be unmarked, as far as I can tell.
Nikols it is 666, three times the number of man, it is man setting himself up like God . Father , Son and Holy Spirit.. one, two three. 666
No man will be saved by this number.
No man will be saved by this number.
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Apr 2 2006, 05:07 PM)
Nikols it is 666, three times the number of man, it is man setting himself up like God . Father , Son and Holy Spirit.. one, two three. 666
No man will be saved by this number.
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No man will be saved by this number.
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God-Father said me that lake of fire will contain 0 men!
Means all who have status MAN will be saved!
In my opinion, total number of people which will receive the seal of beast is from
100 000 000 upto 2 000 000 000 that is 1/3 from all who live on Earth.
Thus 666 is number of saved MEN!
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 2 2006, 09:29 AM)
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Apr 2 2006, 05:07 PM)
Nikols it is 666, three times the number of man, it is man setting himself up like God . Father , Son and Holy Spirit.. one, two three. 666
No man will be saved by this number.
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No man will be saved by this number.
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God-Father said me that lake of fire will contain 0 men!
Means all who have status MAN will be saved!
In my opinion, total number of people which will receive the seal of beast is from
100 000 000 upto 2 000 000 000 that is 1/3 from all who live on Earth.
Thus 666 is number of saved MEN!
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I think I follow what you're saying, nic. But, still not a good thing. If you're suffering is not in the lake of fire (i.e. 0 men) it will certainly be here while you inhabit the earth. Take care nic, render onto God the things that are of God, but it makes it harder to do that when you willingly receive that number. It's bad, bad, bad.
I still do not understand THUS 666 is number of saved men. Why THUS after the previous statement.
And (I am trying to understand you) are you saying that for example, there are going to be 666 (the actual number) of men saved and no more...so after 666 number of men is over, number 667 is going to hell.Am I right in understanding you?
And (I am trying to understand you) are you saying that for example, there are going to be 666 (the actual number) of men saved and no more...so after 666 number of men is over, number 667 is going to hell.Am I right in understanding you?
I believe nic heard that there would not be a single person, man (or woman for that matter) that would be sent to the lake of fire, thus he equated 666 as the mark of the beast, which is man. So he concluded in some fashion of logic that 666 is a mark to save man.
But his logic is a non sequitur. I to believe Christ will save everyone, doesn't matter who, believer or unbeliever, but it is our sins that are destroyed in the lake of fire, basically anything that is evil.
However, to willingly submit to this number when clear warning is given about it must be heeded. Even if we cannot run away from danger because we are cornered (i.e. all will receive this mark), we must not run towards it!
But his logic is a non sequitur. I to believe Christ will save everyone, doesn't matter who, believer or unbeliever, but it is our sins that are destroyed in the lake of fire, basically anything that is evil.
However, to willingly submit to this number when clear warning is given about it must be heeded. Even if we cannot run away from danger because we are cornered (i.e. all will receive this mark), we must not run towards it!
Some very interesting ideas here. Right or wrong they are interesting.
sojourner
sojourner
ahumm...
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Apr 2 2006, 09:38 AM)
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 2 2006, 09:29 AM)
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Apr 2 2006, 05:07 PM)
Nikols it is 666, three times the number of man, it is man setting himself up like God . Father , Son and Holy Spirit.. one, two three. 666
No man will be saved by this number.
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No man will be saved by this number.
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God-Father said me that lake of fire will contain 0 men!
Means all who have status MAN will be saved!
In my opinion, total number of people which will receive the seal of beast is from
100 000 000 upto 2 000 000 000 that is 1/3 from all who live on Earth.
Thus 666 is number of saved MEN!
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I think I follow what you're saying, nic. But, still not a good thing. If you're suffering is not in the lake of fire (i.e. 0 men) it will certainly be here while you inhabit the earth. Take care nic, render onto God the things that are of God, but it makes it harder to do that when you willingly receive that number. It's bad, bad, bad.
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Here is some information to ponder.
LIAR= SHEKER
The gematria of Area (SheKeR) is 600: a (shin) = 300, e (kof) = 100, r (resh) = 200 total of all 600
To whom does rea (sheker) belong? gark (LaRaShA), to satan: k (lamed) = 30, r (resh) = 200, (a ( shin) = 300, g
(ayin) = 70 = 600
Satan is the father of lies.
INTERESTING NOTE:
In Revelations we see the number “666”. The number of man is 6, the number of satan is 6 (drop the 0’s), the number of a liar is 6.“666” is a man incarnated by satan, who is a liar.
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The context of Revelation from which these passages are found discusses the "Beast," and how that Beast will cause many to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16). Before continuing, let's first grasp the meaning of the Greek word charagma (khar-ag-mah), which is here translated as "mark."
The Enhanced Strong's Lexicon (Strong's # 5480) shows that in the Authorized Version (KJV) the Greek word charagma is translated as "mark" eight times and "graven" once. Strong's further defines charagma as:
a stamp, an imprinted mark.
of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist [there is a traditional error here that I will shortly describe]
the mark branded upon horses
thing carved, sculpture, graven work.
of idolatrous images.
Interestingly, with one exception, the ONLY place in the New Testament where the Greek word charagma is used is with reference to the "mark" of the Beast!
The New Strong's Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words defines charagma as:
charagma, a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue):- graven, mark.
The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament states the following with regard to this Greek word:
charagma [mark, stamp]
Marking is common in antiquity (cf. slaves, and the branding of devotees with the marks of deities).
The Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains gives us crucial insight into the meaning of charagma when it states:
A strictly literal translation of 'the mark of the beast' might imply 'a picture of the beast' or 'a mark made by the beast.' A more satisfactory indication of the relationship between 'mark' and 'beast' would be 'a mark showing one's relationship to the beast' or 'a mark of loyalty to the beast' or 'a mark of the party of the beast.'
Is there a mark of God? If so, what is it?
let's look at other passages of Scripture that seem to be overlooked. As you will see, these passages remove the shroud of mystery.
Within the Torah, which is Genesis through Deuteronomy (Hebrew word Torah means "instruction" or "teaching") we read the following:
Exodus 13:9 (NASB)
9 And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the Lord may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the Lord brought you out of Egypt.
Exodus 13:16 (NRSV)
16 It shall serve as a sign on your hand and as an emblem on your forehead that by strength of hand the Lord brought us out of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 6:8 (NRSV)
8 Bind them as a sign on your hand, fix them as an emblem on your forehead,
Deuteronomy 11:18 (NRSV)
18 You shall put these words of mine in your heart and soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and fix them as an emblem on your forehead.
What is the obvious fact one should notice from these passages? What leaps from the pages as we discuss the issue of the mark of the Beast?
Revelation 13:16 (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Almost the exact same phrase is used with respect to a mark - or sign! However, the passages from Torah show the mark to be the mark of God, whereas the passage from Revelation refers to the mark of the Satanic Beast.
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Apr 2 2006, 05:38 PM)
I think I follow what you're saying, nic. But, still not a good thing. If you're suffering is not in the lake of fire (i.e. 0 men) it will certainly be here while you inhabit the earth. Take care nic, render onto God the things that are of God, but it makes it harder to do that when you willingly receive that number. It's bad, bad, bad.
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I'll try to explain: when somebody receives the seal of beast then he loses status MAN!
If he will have status MAN again then this MAN will never be throwed into lake of fire
because status MAN is not a light bulb!
QUOTE(Cornelius)
I still do not understand THUS 666 is number of saved men. Why THUS after the previous statement.
Sorry! THEREFORE would be more correct word there
QUOTE(Hallah)
The gematria of Area (SheKeR) is 600: a (shin) = 300, e (kof) = 100, r (resh) = 200 total of all 600
Sorry! This is game to play but not wisdom of man
I reject this theory since it has nothing common with reality!
You may open any book and play with characters in this way and think that you will get
some secrets of astral world or even rule to control the matrix!
This game to play but not worthily theory!
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QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Mar 30 2006, 12:12 AM)
Whats up with it saying that people whom take the mark of the beast, can be saved through babtism, but only by those whom also have taken the mark.
Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
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Rev. 14:9-12 " A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey Gods commandments and remain faithful to Jesus."
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Revelation also says:
Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
In my opinion liars are all people! Bible is book of life!
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Will have more priority against Revelation 21:8 same as Revelation 14:9
Please don't mix God-Father with beast!
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First of all don't ever accuse me of Mixing Father with Satan in any way.That is very disrespectful, because you apparently don't know of what you speak. Baptism is to represent the cleansing of the body. Not forgivness for pledging alligance to Satan by taking his mark on you body, and worshiping his image. Baptism does not save you or forgive your sins in any way. Jesus alone does this. Do not accuse someone when they point out the truth. You sound like the Jews accusing Jesus of casting out demons with the power of evil. Its nonesense.
PS You shouldn't look at the reality that you see with you eyes. Eyes are of the flesh and can be very decieving. In Love.
Nic, if you want to be saved do not seek salvation in this mark 666. It's an absolute dead end. Seek salvation through Christ, ask him to mark you. He will mark you with love, charity, patience, faith, humility, the gifts of his spirit. Believing you will save yourself by intentionally marking yourself with this number is going to make your life miserable, and in the here after you will lose a lot.
Luke 17:33
Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luke 17:33
Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
nichlosk if I may ask you what your defintion of WISDOM is? You stated that we should pray for wisdom and would like to know what your defintion of wisdom is..
Peace to you
Peace to you
QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Apr 2 2006, 07:50 PM)
First of all don't ever accuse me of Mixing Father with Satan in any way.That is very disrespectful, because you apparently don't know of what you speak. Baptism is to represent the cleansing of the body. Not forgivness for pledging alligance to Satan by taking his mark on you body, and worshiping his image. Baptism does not save you or forgive your sins in any way. Jesus alone does this. Do not accuse someone when they point out the truth. You sound like the Jews accusing Jesus of casting out demons with the power of evil. Its nonesense.
PS You shouldn't look at the reality that you see with you eyes. Eyes are of the flesh and can be very decieving. In Love.
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PS You shouldn't look at the reality that you see with you eyes. Eyes are of the flesh and can be very decieving. In Love.
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I never preached that baptism doesn't save! My article teaches that salvation is possible through baptism only! I don't understand that you want to tell me!
QUOTE(Humble Bob)
Nic, if you want to be saved do not seek salvation in this mark 666. It's an absolute dead end. Seek salvation through Christ, ask him to mark you. He will mark you with love, charity, patience, faith, humility, the gifts of his spirit. Believing you will save yourself by intentionally marking yourself with this number is going to make your life miserable, and in the here after you will lose a lot.
I didn't find salvation in mark of the beast! 666 is number of saved men which have the mark of best. 666 is not salvation itself!
QUOTE(Pamela)
nichlosk if I may ask you what your defintion of WISDOM is? You stated that we should pray for wisdom and would like to know what your defintion of wisdom is..
Wisdom is gift! It's very difficultly to give definition for wisdom!
Wisdom is opposition for madness!
QUOTE(rtki66)
PICTURE WITH BEAST
Where you have found the beast on your image?
Please look at green beasts in HEXEN game! They are almost correct copy of beast in afterlife world!
Be bless
wow...what hath luther wrought? 
[quote=nickols_k,Apr 2 2006, 07:45 AM]
You really need to pray for wisdom!
666 is number of beast and men's number simultaneously!
That's means number of MEN which will be saved with seal of the beast!
After receiving the seal of beast nobody has possibility to say: "I'm man"
and becomes a fallen angel! Please believe me, since it's STORY OF MY LIFE!
I'm not ready to translate you status which is being assigned in moment of receiving the seal of beast! Same status have all people which were rised from afterlife world by Jesus and other men!
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[quote=nickols_k,Apr 2 2006, 08:29 AM]
God-Father said me that lake of fire will contain 0 men!
Means all who have status MAN will be saved!
In my opinion, total number of people which will receive the seal of beast is from
100 000 000 upto 2 000 000 000 that is 1/3 from all who live on Earth.
Thus 666 is number of saved MEN!
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[quote=nickols_k,Apr 2 2006, 10:37 AM]
I'll try to explain: when somebody receives the seal of beast then he loses status MAN!
If he will have status MAN again then this MAN will never be throwed into lake of fire
because status MAN is not a light bulb!
Sorry! This is game to play but not wisdom of man
I reject this theory since it has nothing common with reality!
You may open any book and play with characters in this way and think that you will get
some secrets of astral world or even rule to control the matrix!
This game to play but not worthily theory!
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[quote=nickols_k,Apr 3 2006, 11:35 AM]
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Wisdom is gift! It's very difficultly to give definition for wisdom!
Wisdom is opposition for madness!
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If you are asking one to pray for wisdom should you not know what the word "WISDOM" means. How then do you know if you yourself have wisdom? Wisdom is a revealed thing as one seeks the Lord.
Wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all PURE, then PEACE-LOVING, CONSIDERATE, SUBMISSIVE, FULL OF MERCY AND GOOD FRUIT, IMPARTIAL, AND SINCERE. James 3:17
Wisdom that comes from on high, (heaven) will fulfill this criteria.
As you have been told many times here is that the number of man is 6. You are stating that hell will contain 0 men and when men receive the mark of the beast they will lose the status of man. A man's soul will be tormented for eternity if found without Christ on that day of Judgement.
To follow Christ is to lose this status. One must die to their flesh, pick up their cross, and follow Jesus. One gains life when they are willing to lose their life.
If you that day, you are asked to receive a mark, 666, which is the number of the beast your status as a Child of God is revoked permanetly. A status of MAN holds nothing to begin with if you are a CHILD of GOD......
You really need to pray for wisdom!
666 is number of beast and men's number simultaneously!
That's means number of MEN which will be saved with seal of the beast!
After receiving the seal of beast nobody has possibility to say: "I'm man"
and becomes a fallen angel! Please believe me, since it's STORY OF MY LIFE!
I'm not ready to translate you status which is being assigned in moment of receiving the seal of beast! Same status have all people which were rised from afterlife world by Jesus and other men!
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[quote=nickols_k,Apr 2 2006, 08:29 AM]
God-Father said me that lake of fire will contain 0 men!
Means all who have status MAN will be saved!
In my opinion, total number of people which will receive the seal of beast is from
100 000 000 upto 2 000 000 000 that is 1/3 from all who live on Earth.
Thus 666 is number of saved MEN!
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[quote=nickols_k,Apr 2 2006, 10:37 AM]
I'll try to explain: when somebody receives the seal of beast then he loses status MAN!
If he will have status MAN again then this MAN will never be throwed into lake of fire
because status MAN is not a light bulb!
Sorry! This is game to play but not wisdom of man
I reject this theory since it has nothing common with reality!
You may open any book and play with characters in this way and think that you will get
some secrets of astral world or even rule to control the matrix!
This game to play but not worthily theory!
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[quote=nickols_k,Apr 3 2006, 11:35 AM]
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Wisdom is gift! It's very difficultly to give definition for wisdom!
Wisdom is opposition for madness!
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If you are asking one to pray for wisdom should you not know what the word "WISDOM" means. How then do you know if you yourself have wisdom? Wisdom is a revealed thing as one seeks the Lord.
Wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all PURE, then PEACE-LOVING, CONSIDERATE, SUBMISSIVE, FULL OF MERCY AND GOOD FRUIT, IMPARTIAL, AND SINCERE. James 3:17
Wisdom that comes from on high, (heaven) will fulfill this criteria.
As you have been told many times here is that the number of man is 6. You are stating that hell will contain 0 men and when men receive the mark of the beast they will lose the status of man. A man's soul will be tormented for eternity if found without Christ on that day of Judgement.
To follow Christ is to lose this status. One must die to their flesh, pick up their cross, and follow Jesus. One gains life when they are willing to lose their life.
If you that day, you are asked to receive a mark, 666, which is the number of the beast your status as a Child of God is revoked permanetly. A status of MAN holds nothing to begin with if you are a CHILD of GOD......
Nik, what I'm telling you is YOU CANNOT BE SAVED, BY SIMPLY BAPTISM. Baptism is a REPRESENTATION of your body being cleansed from its former ways. THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED IS A SUBMISSION TO JESUS CHRIST, MAKING HIM KING OF YOUR LIFE. Believing that he lived a sinless life, is the son of God, was cruxified on the cross and died as a perfect sacrifice to wash your sins away, rose from the dead 3 days after death, arose to heaven, and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. IT is through faith, not acts(baptism) that you are saved from the death of sin.
In love.
And I am sorry for the attitude my brother. It was wrong to speak to you in such a way.
In love.
And I am sorry for the attitude my brother. It was wrong to speak to you in such a way.
QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Apr 3 2006, 03:03 PM)
..... IT is through faith, not acts(baptism) that you are saved from the death of sin....
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Faith and works....
ya know what I mean!
QUOTE(Pamela @ Apr 3 2006, 09:17 PM)
If you are asking one to pray for wisdom should you not know what the word "WISDOM" means. How then do you know if you yourself have wisdom? Wisdom is a revealed thing as one seeks the Lord.
QUOTE(Pamela @ Apr 3 2006, 09:17 PM)
If you that day, you are asked to receive a mark, 666, which is the number of the beast your status as a Child of God is revoked permanetly. A status of MAN holds nothing to begin with if you are a CHILD of GOD......
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As I said - right after receiving the seal of beast nobody is able to say: "I'm man" and becomes a fallen angel!
Only 666 people will have possibility to say: "I'm man" with seal of the beast
on any place (forehead, hang, cheek, neck, leg, ...)
Wisdom requires to detect that this place of Bible describes STATUSES of creatures!
I'm proof of that!
QUOTE(End-Time Calling)
Nik, what I'm telling you is YOU CANNOT BE SAVED, BY SIMPLY BAPTISM. Baptism is a REPRESENTATION of your body being cleansed from its former ways. THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED IS A SUBMISSION TO JESUS CHRIST, MAKING HIM KING OF YOUR LIFE. Believing that he lived a sinless life, is the son of God, was cruxified on the cross and died as a perfect sacrifice to wash your sins away, rose from the dead 3 days after death, arose to heaven, and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. IT is through faith, not acts(baptism) that you are saved from the death of sin.
In love.
And I am sorry for the attitude my brother. It was wrong to speak to you in such a way.
In love.
And I am sorry for the attitude my brother. It was wrong to speak to you in such a way.
I'm already saved! I have status the living in God and had receive prophecy: Go, thy faith hath saved thee". Since the day of receiving of that prophecy my saviour is faith but not Jesus! Also I'm saved because I have the seal of beats on the left cheek but not on forehead!
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 4 2006, 10:28 AM)
I'm already saved! I have status the living in God and had receive prophecy: Go, thy faith hath saved thee". Since the day of receiving of that prophecy my saviour is faith but not Jesus! Also I'm saved because I have the seal of beats on the left cheek but not on forehead![right][snapback]51212[/snapback][/right]
Niklos_k can you explain how you are saved but not through JESUS?
I think he is saying that he is saved by actual "faith" although its not clear what this "faith" is. Can you explain Nic?
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QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Apr 3 2006, 03:03 PM)
..... IT is through faith, not acts(baptism) that you are saved from the death of sin....
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Faith and works....
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Nothing can you add to that which Jesus did.
He says your best works are as filthy rags, so why would you offer them to "help" in your salvation.
But when we are saved, and realise that it is by grace alone, I give my life over so totally, that my "works" will please my Father and not bring His Name in disrepute. I see to it, that my "works" will be fitting to the Kingdom of my Father. He is now teaching me how to first look to Him, before attempting anything. I now can do anything through Jesus, who strengthens me. He is the Love in my heart, not the feeble efforts of love I tried to generate as a man and which I tried to pawn off to Him as good works. Without His grace I am NOTHING. With Him I can go anywhere He commands, but only in His strength.
So works yes, but not as part of my salvation. As a result of the thankfulness I have, because of His grace.
I would not dare to try and add anything of mine, to that which He has done.
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QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 4 2006, 10:28 AM)
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Niklos_k can you explain how you are saved but not through JESUS?
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Here are two posts to help you understand the TRUTH about who JESUS really is.
May the LORD BLESS YOU
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=2080
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=2102
1 John 5:13
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(thanks, Valerie)
Nic, these people speak the Spirit filled Truth
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
(thanks, Valerie)
Nic, these people speak the Spirit filled Truth
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Apr 4 2006, 07:23 PM)
I think he is saying that he is saved by actual "faith" although its not clear what this "faith" is. Can you explain Nic?
I received the prophecy: "Go, thy faith hath saved thee"
Which question do you have to me?
I decode this prophecy as: "My faith hath saved me"
That means that my saviour is faith but not Jesus!
It's enough popular prophecy of our days!
I'm living according to personal prophecies but not Bible because whole Bible is not for all!
Jesus is not able to be my personal saviour due the seal of beast!
I not belong to Jesus! But i belong to God-Father!
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 4 2006, 12:29 PM)
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Apr 4 2006, 07:23 PM)
I think he is saying that he is saved by actual "faith" although its not clear what this "faith" is. Can you explain Nic?
I received prophecy: "Go, thy faith hath saved thee"
Which question do you have?
I decode this prophecy as: "My faith hath saved me"
That means that my saviour is faith but not Jesus!
It's enough popular prophecy of our days!
I'm living according to personal prophecies but not Bible because whole Bible is not for all!
Jesus is not able to be my personal saviour due the seal of beast!
I not belong to Jesus! But i belong to God-Father!
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...then I am sorry, Nic, for you do not recognize Christ; He is God, the Father.
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QUOTE(End-Time Calling @ Apr 3 2006, 03:03 PM)
..... IT is through faith, not acts(baptism) that you are saved from the death of sin....
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Faith and works....
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oh a Catholic.
welcome...
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Apr 4 2006, 08:32 PM)
...then I am sorry, Nic, for you do not recognize Christ; He is God, the Father.
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Christ is God, the Son of God-Father!
1 John 5:7 "because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;
God-Father and Jesus Christ is not the same person!
The True God is one and is three-are-one!
This means that God is one but God is three persons!
Niklos_K, you wrote....
Jesus speaking here...
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
God speaking of HIS SON, JESUS...
Matthew 17:15 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Like 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
AGAIN JESUS ANSWERS......
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. 70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God?[B] And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 4:15 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Can I get a testimony here! JESUS is the only WAY for us to go to the FATHER!
Without you believing in JESUS coming from the FATHER, you will not go to heaven. No one comes to the FATHER accept through JESUS....
John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
John 14:16 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
We have a helper called the Holy Spirit that Is sent to us, when we accept JESUS as out personal SAVIOR.....
Jesus speaking...
John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
WITHOUT believing in JESUS, you are lost. GOD will not hear your prayer because they must go through JESUS NAME; and you do not have the Holy Spirit that HE sends to help us.
GOD IS ALL THREE IN ONE. THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The SON is JESUS!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
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God-Father and Jesus Christ is not the same person!
The True God is one and is three-are-one!
This means that God is one but God is three persons!
The True God is one and is three-are-one!
This means that God is one but God is three persons!
Jesus speaking here...
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
God speaking of HIS SON, JESUS...
Matthew 17:15 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Like 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
AGAIN JESUS ANSWERS......
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. 70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God?[B] And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 4:15 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Can I get a testimony here! JESUS is the only WAY for us to go to the FATHER!
Without you believing in JESUS coming from the FATHER, you will not go to heaven. No one comes to the FATHER accept through JESUS....
John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
John 14:16 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
We have a helper called the Holy Spirit that Is sent to us, when we accept JESUS as out personal SAVIOR.....
Jesus speaking...
John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
WITHOUT believing in JESUS, you are lost. GOD will not hear your prayer because they must go through JESUS NAME; and you do not have the Holy Spirit that HE sends to help us.
GOD IS ALL THREE IN ONE. THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The SON is JESUS!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 5 2006, 12:06 PM)
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Apr 4 2006, 08:32 PM)
...then I am sorry, Nic, for you do not recognize Christ; He is God, the Father.
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Christ is God, the Son of God-Father!
1 John 5:7 "because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;
God-Father and Jesus Christ is not the same person!
The True God is one and is three-are-one!
This means that God is one but God is three persons!
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What is the meaning here?
three different beings doing one job?
three different beings doing three jobs?
...or
One being doing three jobs?
There is only one God, one being and he does three things, that he is the Father, that he is the Son, that he is the Word.
From revelation 17, here are my thoughts on the beast and the woman riding the beast. The woman is the apostate church, claiming to follow Christ but actually following Easter, the queen of heaven, the fertility goddess of Babylon. That's why on her forehead is written "`Secret, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Whores, and the Abominations of the earth.' Only in secret does the apostate church worship easter, she is a whore because she pretends to be the bride of christ while secretly worshiping pagan idols and symbols. The beast that she is riding is "of the seven and an eight". Russia was not originally in the G7 but now she is an eighth in the G7.
We saw the Soviet Union it was, and it is not and it is about to come up out of the abyss (the current leader is a die-hard communist kgb officer returning the country to the Soviet Union). "The beast that was, and is not, although it is." The Soviet Union pretended to disband but the communists never surrender control.
8`The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is.
10and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
11and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
We saw the Soviet Union it was, and it is not and it is about to come up out of the abyss (the current leader is a die-hard communist kgb officer returning the country to the Soviet Union). "The beast that was, and is not, although it is." The Soviet Union pretended to disband but the communists never surrender control.
8`The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is.
10and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
11and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
QUOTE(nickols_k @ Apr 4 2006, 11:29 AM)
QUOTE(Cornelius @ Apr 4 2006, 07:23 PM)
I think he is saying that he is saved by actual "faith" although its not clear what this "faith" is. Can you explain Nic?
I received the prophecy: "Go, thy faith hath saved thee"
Which question do you have to me?
I decode this prophecy as: "My faith hath saved me"
That means that my saviour is faith but not Jesus!
It's enough popular prophecy of our days!
I'm living according to personal prophecies but not Bible because whole Bible is not for all!
Jesus is not able to be my personal saviour due the seal of beast!
I not belong to Jesus! But i belong to God-Father!
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Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
"I, even I am He that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Seek ye the Lord while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near: let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy on him, and to our God for He will abundantly pardon. For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts. Thou wilt show me the path of life: in Thy presence is fullness of joy; at Thy right hand are pleasures forevermore."
QUOTE(Adonaicole @ Apr 5 2006, 01:24 PM)
From revelation 17, here are my thoughts on the beast and the woman riding the beast. The woman is the apostate church, claiming to follow Christ but actually following Easter, the queen of heaven, the fertility goddess of Babylon. That's why on her forehead is written "`Secret, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Whores, and the Abominations of the earth.' Only in secret does the apostate church worship easter, she is a whore because she pretends to be the bride of christ while secretly worshiping pagan idols and symbols. The beast that she is riding is "of the seven and an eight". Russia was not originally in the G7 but now she is an eighth in the G7.
We saw the Soviet Union it was, and it is not and it is about to come up out of the abyss (the current leader is a die-hard communist kgb officer returning the country to the Soviet Union). "The beast that was, and is not, although it is." The Soviet Union pretended to disband but the communists never surrender control.
8`The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is.
10and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
11and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
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We saw the Soviet Union it was, and it is not and it is about to come up out of the abyss (the current leader is a die-hard communist kgb officer returning the country to the Soviet Union). "The beast that was, and is not, although it is." The Soviet Union pretended to disband but the communists never surrender control.
8`The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is.
10and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
11and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
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Another point I would like to add, Mikhail Gorbachev is big on the "One World Religion" movement and has also compared himself to Jesus Christ.
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Apr 5 2006, 11:26 PM)
What is the meaning here?
three different beings doing one job?
three different beings doing three jobs?
...or
One being doing three jobs?
There is only one God, one being and he does three things, that he is the Father, that he is the Son, that he is the Word.
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three different beings doing one job?
three different beings doing three jobs?
...or
One being doing three jobs?
There is only one God, one being and he does three things, that he is the Father, that he is the Son, that he is the Word.
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There is only one God! But God is three persons which are NOT DIVISABLE!
That means that God-Father gave power for words of God-Son(Jesus)!
All what Jesus said is law for God-Father and all what God_Father says is law for Jesus!
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
QUOTE(Maz)
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I did belong to Jesus since the day of my baptization and until the day when I received the prophecy about salvation! That's all
QUOTE(Adonaicole)
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
Please look at telephone's code of Russia! It's +7
Thus Russia is pretending as 7th king but not as country with all kings of Revelation.
These kings are not coming yet! They will come later of 2006 year!
QUOTE(Adonaicole @ Apr 5 2006, 06:18 PM)
QUOTE(Adonaicole @ Apr 5 2006, 01:24 PM)
From revelation 17, here are my thoughts on the beast and the woman riding the beast. The woman is the apostate church, claiming to follow Christ but actually following Easter, the queen of heaven, the fertility goddess of Babylon. That's why on her forehead is written "`Secret, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Whores, and the Abominations of the earth.' Only in secret does the apostate church worship easter, she is a whore because she pretends to be the bride of christ while secretly worshiping pagan idols and symbols. The beast that she is riding is "of the seven and an eight". Russia was not originally in the G7 but now she is an eighth in the G7.
We saw the Soviet Union it was, and it is not and it is about to come up out of the abyss (the current leader is a die-hard communist kgb officer returning the country to the Soviet Union). "The beast that was, and is not, although it is." The Soviet Union pretended to disband but the communists never surrender control.
8`The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is.
10and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
11and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
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We saw the Soviet Union it was, and it is not and it is about to come up out of the abyss (the current leader is a die-hard communist kgb officer returning the country to the Soviet Union). "The beast that was, and is not, although it is." The Soviet Union pretended to disband but the communists never surrender control.
8`The beast that thou didst see: it was, and it is not; and it is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go away to destruction, and wonder shall those dwelling upon the earth, whose names have not been written upon the scroll of the life from the foundation of the world, beholding the beast that was, and is not, although it is.
10and there are seven kings, the five did fall, and the one is, the other did not yet come, and when he may come, it behoveth him to remain a little time;
11and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eighth, and out of the seven he is, and to destruction he doth go away.
Seven Kings
1. Joseph Stalin - fell
2. Nikita Khrushchev - fell
3. Leonid Brezhnev - fell
4. Yuri Andropov - fell
5. Knstantin Chernenko - fell
Five kings did fall
and one is...
6. Mikhail Gorbachev
the other did not yet come
7. Vladimir Putin (Not officially a leader of the Soviet Union)
and the beast that was, and is not, he also is eight
8. Mikhail Gorbachev out of the seven he is and to destruction he doth go away.
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Another point I would like to add, Mikhail Gorbachev is big on the "One World Religion" movement and has also compared himself to Jesus Christ.
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Actually I am under the impression that the kings are the kings of the former beast empires that have oppress the jews throughout history. The one that is (was the roman empire at the time) . The one that is to come for a short time is The German(Nazi) empire. Came for a short time and left. Then the one that come to his destruction is the King of the final empire(antichrist). I don't think we should look at the present countries, and trying figure out Revelation. ITs on a larger time scale than that. My opinion.
QUOTE(Maz)
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Niklos_k you worte.....
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I did belong to Jesus since the day of my baptization and until the day when I received the prophecy about salvation! That's all
Niklos_K, If you say you belonged to JESUS from the day of baptism; how did the prohecy change you belonging to JESUS? Prophecy can't change you and take you away from JESUS unless you have been mis-lead in the prophecy.
SALVATION comes from and through JESUS, not from prophets. It cannot be given to you by men claiming the knowledge of GOD as prophets.
Do you understand?
JESUS is the only way to the Father. Without JESUS you cannot go to the FATHER and the FATHER is not going to hear your prayers.
Oh please listen to us. We don't want you to be mislead, into believing something given in a prophecy that is NOT lining up with GOD'S WORD.
I am seeing you confused about who you are beleiving in. THE BIBLE is the only source you need to recognise that JESUS is the key to your SALVATION. Faith is believing in JESUS as the SON of GOD. It is believing that HE died for your sins and my sins, to be covered forever. It is trusting in HIM and receiving the Holy Spirit, to help comfot and guide us. The Holy Spirit will only guide us towards JESUS and the FATHER, not away from them.PLEASE READ THE SCRIPTURES......
Jesus speaking here...
Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
God speaking of HIS SON, JESUS...
Matthew 17:15 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Like 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
AGAIN JESUS ANSWERS......
Luke 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God. 70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
[B]John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 4:15 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
2 John 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Can I get a testimony here! JESUS is the only WAY for us to go to the FATHER!
Without you believing in JESUS coming from the FATHER, you will not go to heaven. No one comes to the FATHER accept through JESUS....
John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
John 14:16 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
We have a helper called the Holy Spirit that Is sent to us, when we accept JESUS as out personal SAVIOR.....
Jesus speaking...
John 15:26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
WITHOUT believing in JESUS, you are lost. GOD will not hear your prayer because they must go through JESUS NAME; and you do not have the Holy Spirit that HE sends to help us.
GOD IS ALL THREE IN ONE. THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The SON is JESUS!
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS NOT THE MARK OF GOD. A tattoo, is not given by GOD either. It is created by man. You have been mis-lead by this prophet that has told you these things.
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