No one seems to want to touch this issue, so i thought i would try to open a topic about it. Is the behaviour of the Christian God justifiable? Genocide of people, because they where not part?

This is the King James version, as i presume its the most popular. Whats your opinion, dont be afraid of giving negative critic about these religious issues, if you dont, you will never evolve.

-Pocket

I will answer you. It will take a bit of time to put it together for you. In the mean time, I am sure there are some that can also provide you with insight into the matter.
Its a good question and one worth asking.
Cornelius

We can look at Deuteronomy 7 8-10 first.
You see that God has a long history with all these people. He made them all.A long time ago He spoke to a guy named Abraham and made a covenant with him. To bless his seed. Abraham had something that was rare in those days and its rare in out day as well: faith. That capacity to believe something without asking for prove.
He just believed God and God said,I like you for that and will make a deal with you. I will bless your seed and make you great.
The other nations had the same opportunity to believe or not. The same chance to serve God or not. But if you go and look closely to their history, they chose not to.


9 Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands. 10 But
those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.

Well here you can see God's attitude and what He says about it. Its rather straight forward. As the whole issue about God and man revolves about relationship with Him, there are two choices Man can make.
God says : Choose Me and I will give you life.
Well the other option is also clear. We all will either live or die.
In the Old Testament, things were very black and white (the Bible teaches us that it was written in that way, to show us things in the spirit...in other words, we can look at the "pictures" of the Old Testament and learn how things work in our spiritual lives.....it was the shadow of things to come) you can see the truth in that because here we are today and things are repeating themselves . Now God is not just talking about nations, but He now confronts every person in the same way.
1.We can choose Him and live.
2. It still takes faith, like with Abraham
3.Some will say yes
4. Some will choose no
5. Some will live
6. Some will die.

As the issue is now in the New Testament as well it opens up as well. Now God is not talking anymore about just life, He is talking about eternal life or death.

But the only thing that is still the same is faith. God says: Without faith its impossible to please God (again its like Abraham)
The Bible says that faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God.
You (and any person on this earth) will only get faith through the Word of God.

You see ALL flesh on this earth, find this a problem. Inside of us all , first rages a battle. We DON'T want to hear about God and His ways at all. It somehow threatens our very being. We try our best to avoid Him and want to argue Him away. Some succeed in doing this and they become like the nations in the verse you quoted.
Some people take a step in faith and accept the price that Jesus paid for them on the cross and bend the knee to Him and then you get to be like Abraham (and Israel his descendants) although they sometimes failed, He kept them, because of His covenant of love.
That is what I meant about running away from love. From His love.
Cornelius

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

1 Chronicles 28:3
But God said unto me, Thou shalt not build an house for my name, because thou hast been a man of war, and hast shed blood.

Job 5:20
In famine he shall redeem thee from death: and in war from the power of the sword

Psalm 46:9
He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

Psalm 120:7
I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.

Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Ecclesiastes 8:8
There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

Ecclesiastes 9:18
Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

Song of Solomon 3:8
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.

Isaiah 2:4
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Jeremiah 21:2
Enquire, I pray thee, of the LORD for us; for Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon maketh war against us; if so be that the LORD will deal with us according to all his wondrous works, that he may go up from us.

Jeremiah 21:4
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Behold, I will turn back the weapons of war that are in your hands, wherewith ye fight against the king of Babylon, and against the Chaldeans, which besiege you without the walls, and I will assemble them into the midst of this city.

Jeremiah 28:8
The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

Micah 4:3
And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Mark 13:7
And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.

Luke 21:9
But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

1 Corinthians 9:7
Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?

2 Corinthians 10:3
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2 Corinthians 10:4
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

1 Timothy 1:18
This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

2 Timothy 2:4
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.


James 4:1
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

James 4:2
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

1 Peter 2:11
Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 17:14
These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:19
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

God is not cruel.

If you do not believe in God, then cruelty is from man.

If you say God is cruel then you believe there is a God and you are not an atheist; you are contradicting yourself.

If you believe in God and believe that he is cruel then your make yourself righteous over God and you claim that you can do better in providing for yourself and for fellow man. But try as you may the world is not a better place as war, famine, environmental destruction, division of class, social injustice are the ineptitude of man, so you cannot make the world better admitting you cannot undo what God has brought. But then you believe God is cruel, but there is no God as you say.

So, God is not cruel because there is no God.

But to the believer that there is a God and he is righteous and just and never cruel.

Again, God is not cruel.

Lesson, a person who believes in a God also believing God is cruel is an atheist.

Blessings Pocket!

OK, you have a wonderful peice of land all your own and your little children are playing in the yard. Your wife is under the shade of a tree watching over them and reading a Good Book....

A man enters the yard obviously to do them harm. He has all the trappings and war implements....lets just say that you know who he is and know what he always has done to others.

What do you do? It is a trick question. A Christian does what God says to do or it is sin.

You are first setting up your equation with the premise that death and the killing of another is not permissable. Murder is not permissable. Two different word in the original language. God never said "Thou shalt not kill". He said, "Thou shalt not murder." Murder is taking life without the instruction of God.

Ther is not questioning God.

leia

Eh, no, im not, because im asking about your God. I do not have to believe in him/her to ask you questions about your diety. Such semantics is a waste of boardtime, try answering instead of hiding in rhetoric.



That would be if your an atheist, yes. So for me, there is no cruel God, only cruel men. But we are not talking about me, and i was curious how Christian see these bible quotations.



I think it seems pretty cruel, i read more passages then that one. I just used this one as example, in what way is it NOT cruel to have all these people killed?



Atheist means lack of belief in a God or gods. Either you are an Atheist, or a Theist, there is no inbetween. (No, an agnostic would have to say either yes or no too).

So which of the answers did you not read?

I could do quit a deal of things in your scenario, but i think i missed something. What? Perhaps im just slow, i dont know.


I could for example go over to him and ask:

´Excuse me sir, can i help you?´
´mmm´, looking at me.
´I think i seen you before´, i say.
´Really now?´
´Yes, where you not over at uncle Heirnish house lask week?´, i ask.
´Indeed i where, someone had put fire to the house, i tried to drag him out, but it took all my strength away, and one of the roof logs feel down and hit my arm´,
´My God´, i said, ´what happened next?´
´Well, i tried to drag him out with my arm, but him being this big fellow, i could´nt, i almost perished myself´, he said looking sad.

So this guy, looking "bad", and me, thinking he was doing bad to others. People had spoken about him in town, "this army guy" they said, "his fault Uncle Heirnish died", but i was wrong, i was so wrong.....




So...... Clearly i missed something Leia

You truly did....

Everything comes at once it seems


I consider your points to be excuses, for God. I mean, there is no reason for the killing and genocide, infanticide etcetera, there is NO REASON FOR IT.

Just take the Egyptian Pharao, if i remember, GOD, himself, made his heart cold. So God made sure all these people would die. Why? There is no excuse, nor reson for it.


And whatever you say about Christianity, you cant seriously say its not Cruel.

1. (of persons or their actions) able or disposed to inflict pain or suffering


Why would a loving God inflict suffering on innocent people?

I think you should read my "excuses" again. This time, take your time.
If you did, you would not be asking me the same question, as the same explanation applies. Even with Pharaoh, who first made his choice and then had his heart hardened.

right...because your an athiest, that there is no God so God is not cruel. Cruelty comes from man.

WAR; comes from man's desire to take from other's also. Pharoh wanted to keep the Children of Israel in slavery, does this make him right, and our GOD wrong? Would you want to be a slave and have to live by someone elses rules over you? Many people died under Pharoh's slavery policy. Did this make him more powerful than GOD? Oh, I forget, you don't believe in GOD, my bad.......let's say this. Man has an agenda, to steal and take from other's their rightful property. It could happen to you. You have no recourse but to give into this man's power and authority, or fight him, or run away....if you can get away from him. What would you do, if in fact you are forced into slavery? Let's not forget that people in the Sudan are dying in slavery today....so my question is valid. Men are cruel and war is cruel. If you had a GOD that defends you, and goes into battle for you, are you better off?

You may presume that these people being destroyed where just innocent victims. God does not pour out His wrath for nothing. Theses people had contact with God just as the Jews did. They even called upon a prophet Balaam to curse the Jews when they came to the borders of their land.

Read what God said to Joshua as he was about to enter into these lands:

Deuteronomy 9
1 “Hear, O Israel: You are to cross over the Jordan today, and go in to dispossess nations greater and mightier than yourself, cities great and fortified up to heaven, 2 a people great and tall, the descendants of the Anakim, whom you know, and of whom you heard it said, ‘Who can stand before the descendants of Anak?’ 3 Therefore understand today that the LORD your God is He who goes over before you as a consuming fire. He will destroy them and bring them down before you; so you shall drive them out and destroy them quickly, as the LORD has said to you.
4 “Do not think in your heart, after the LORD your God has cast them out before you, saying, ‘Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought me in to possess this land’; but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD is driving them out from before you. 5 It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you go in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfil the word which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 6 Therefore understand that the LORD your God is not giving you this good land to possess because of your righteousness, for you are a stiff-necked people.

So they where wicked peoples, and God used the Hebrews as an implement of His wrath against them.

God is justified in all the actions He ordered carried out. Even if you choose to disagree. The Existence of God has nothing to do with ones agreement or disagreement with His actions.

It's like someone saying that because history books tell of Hitlers violent acts then i will not believe Hitler existed....


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

It was pharaoh who hardened His heart first. And the Egyptian people where profiting off the labour of their Jewish slaves. And God is justified in carrying out destruction upon nations. He will do it again when the Messiah returns and you will be getting no apologies from Him for His actions. God has the right to end anyone’s life whenever He deems fit to because He is the Creator of all existence. All the universe is His Property and He can do to it what He deems fit to do.





They where not innocent. There is a price for evil and sin and that is death, you don't like that? So be it.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Psalms 14:1

"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, and they have done abominable works, and there is none that doeth good."

2 Thessalonians Chapter 2

"Now we beseech you, brethern, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called of God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. Even him who is after the walking of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should beleive the lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness, But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethern beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethern, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace."

I see, but at the same time, Islam is bad for killing people... Erh, contradiction? Oh, im sorry, YOUR religion is RIGHT, and theirs are WRONG?

I wonder what you base that on, the Bible? Its says so? (So does the Koran).



So infanticide is OK. Good, i just wanted that cleared up.


So, Are you against abortion?
If you are, you committed a self-contradiction.
If your not, the entire Christian movement against abortion goes against your belief.

Hi again pocket



Are Islamic people God? No Islamic people are people. So they are not justified in killing. The will of God was given to mankind via the Word of Jesus.





Only if God orders it or carries it out by Himself.





Yes. Abortion is humans killing unborn babies. Once again Human killing is not right.





No i have not. the distinction is clear, We must follow the teachings of God. But God being a perfect Judge can do as He deems fit. The Law was designed for humans Not for God.





No it is in alignment with my beliefs. We Christians should not kill. And all people should not kill but God can kill whomsoever and whensoever He chooses.

This is simple, why do you see contradictions. If God was just another person then you could accuse Him of hypocrisy But God is not Human Get It?


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Answer regarding this and other quotes (which i did not add).

I dont want ot insult you in any way, but it feels like you dont liste here. You say its OK for God to kill, ok, Fine, You Say Islamn and Muslim kills, this is bad, ok.

But now, openning the Bible, i see several instances where God tell people to kill other people. Loots of them. The Muslims are killing in the name of God, in the Bible, People are killing in the name of God.

SAME. There is no difference, you have to be open minded here. You cant just say "they are wrong, my God is right", what right do you have to say that? You dont have any proof for your God, They dont have nay proof for their God. So how can you sit and say your Right.


1. Killing is bad if God does not say so.
2. God says to kill in the bible.
3. You say killing is ok by order of God.

1. Muslims killing because God says so.
2. You say its wrong. Not your God.


You see the fault here?

Of course i listened to you points but it is you is not listening to my points. I will make it even simpler for you:

When God says Kill them His followers Kill them.

When God says don't Kill them His followers stop killing them.

Get it?





God either is or He is Not, We believe that God is and He has given His will through the Messiah Jesus to us. We say they are wrong because we believe it. We do not apologise for saying what we believe. To cease from telling others what we believe is truth is to hide the truth from those who God tells us we must share the truth with.





Killing is only lawful when God say's too yes. and Jesus gave Gods last command on the matter to love our enemies and not to take part in carnal combat. That order has not been rescinded, So i will follow That order to the day i die.





Of course we believe that muslims are following a false prophet muhammad. So yes they are wrong to kill. All the world should be following the latest commands of God. Commands given by Jesus.





Do you see the truth here?


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

God created everything for His purpose. There is No one or No thing created that has enough knowledge to judge His motives or sovereignty. To judge God is futile and evil. Asking questions in search of God however is not evil.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."
16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth."
18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?"
20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"
21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,


Charlie

That was very well sain Con

and you know that God asks so very little of us even the smallest token God will richly bless and multiply He is so Gracious

Forgive me if this seems rude, but doesn't that make any assertion that God is good meaningless? You seem to be saying that God is good and if you cannot see that then you just do not understand good.

Well, Pocket, lets argue the matter of logic from your athiestic view.

There is no God. Killing is bad. Yet man kills so man is bad.

Where's the good in man, then? Oh, but please do cite some examples. Let me guess.

he is smart
he is wise
he is powerful
he has innovation
he has art
he has literature
he has science (evolution, biology, genetics)
he has mathematics
he has religion (without God)
he has politics
he has democracy
he has economy

Nearly 7000 years of modern man and he still kills. Ah, ah, ah don't you give me any God excuses that he kills men, you don't believe in God, or are you a liar? Let's just go on man's record because that is something both you and I can agree on. Go ahead, you draw from your atheistic inspirations and I draw on the Holy Spirit for inspiration, and we'll compare notes.

So, there is no God, and now tell me where is the good in man?

Ah well, but if there is no God he certainly cannot be good. That leaves only man to be good, but sorry he's not. Oh yes, well he can be both good and bad. Gee, I never heard of the color that is white with a dot of black paint. Is it still white? So both good and bad doesn't make for good.

Hey Pocket,

I am a little reluctant to even post seeing that you never even responed to my 1st post and then I reposted the question and asked why you did not respond and then you still did not. So I am hoping that you can this time or I will have to shake the dust off my feet and move right along.

I have a little scenerio for you to contimplate, Ok go the store and run in for a few items, you finish your business and are leaving the store. You look for your car and to your suprise it is gone. Someone has stolen it! After a few days they find the thief, but the car has been completely destroyed. Do you let the man go free? Or maybe God forbid someone breaks into your house and rapes your wife, he then beats her until see dies. The man is caught and proven that he is guilty, in your eyes their is no justification to punish this man. In your eyes you are saying let the man walk. You see although my God is a loving God He HATES SIN.
He is A JUST GOD. There will be payment for that sin. Just as in our society there is a payment for crimes. I would hope if the above happened to one of my family members that the criminal would be brought to justice. So why would it not be the same for GOD. Do you think He would not want the same. You have certianly read to Justice of My God but continue to read. Because of this payment for sin (because the wages of sin = DEATH) God provided a way to Him! And since not one sin can enter in Heaven (HOLY PLACE) HE provided and way for us to get to HIM! HIMSELF! The scripture states (Valerie's Paraphrase) Easy is it for someone to die for someone you love. It would not be a problem for me to die for one of my children. But to die for a murderor a thief someone I did not know that would be a different story for me. But that is exactly what He did for us. He gave everything so that we might live in His presence. To me the greatest Love of All. The most ultimate sacrifical act ever. I said in my earlier post that if what you believe is true than Christians like me have nothing to worry about. But what if YOUR WRONG! Then you are risking your eternity and quite possibly your childrens eternity based on a lie from Satan. You see if your right I have nothing to lose, But if I am right you have EVERYTHING TO LOSE!
I will continue to pray for you. I think you are searching or you would not keep coming back. If it was just a debate you wanted you could find that anywhere.
Praying all is well with your wife and child to come. May you find what your looking for and I hope it is quickly for the time is short. Like I posted a few days ago to you there will be scoffers in the Last Days saying "Where is the Promise of His Coming" Ii Peter 3: 9 goes on to say that "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all (Pocket) should some to repentance." Yet there will come an end and You will stand before a JUST God as you have talked about. I pray that you are found in Him or you will utimatley pay the price for eternity.

Your Friend In Christ,

Valerie

Messiahiscoming

Not to those who Love Him. And to the second part. Bingo.


Charlie

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Begging you toleration for a bit longer, I really did not mean to debate, but do you love God because he is good or is there some other reason to love God? Because if you loved God because he is good, then you would have had to understand and recognize goodness before you could love God. But if you love God for some other reason, what is it?

Proverbs 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: 12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. 13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

Proverbs 3:35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

Proverbs 4:19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

Proverbs 4:26 Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established. 27 Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil.

Sorry guys to but in but I would like to answer the question here. You ask the question what is the reason to love God. I love the question.
I grew up in a religious home and I turn out to be relgious. Three years ago something happen to me that change my life. I found Christ!! I get tears in my eyes remembering the moment. I didnt not except Christ cause he was good but I had been missing something in my life. I was never satisfied. I was alway searching but not knowing what I was searching for. I wanted more and more but the more I got the more I wanted. Oh I would pretend but it was not there. I just went searching some more aways wanting to see what others were feeling. One night I beg Christ to forgive me of my sins and I meant it from somewhere other than my brain. Everything was wash away and I could feel it. There was a peace inside me that will never leave. I wish I could give it to you so you could know how I feel. I was crying so hard that strangers were coming up to me and giving me something to blow my nose . It was tears of peace, love and joy all at the same time. So I would have to say I love God because he first love me. He gave his son so I might have everlasting life and it hit me that night as I was watching The Passion of the Christ. No one will ever, ever understand it till it has happen to them. Then you will wonder why did it take so long.
Sorry I just get teary eyed and want to always tell what happen to me.
Kimi

I Love God because He first Loved me. He came in the flesh as a humble servant to Show me the way back to reality and died in my place to save me from my sins. He Loved me enough to die for me and I Love Him the same and will die for Him.

Charlie

Charlie, I love that you love the LORD! And your answer is GREAT! It is how I feel also. Standing shoulder to shoulder in our FAITH in GOD.

Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Psalms 139:1 O lord, thou hast searched me, and known me.

He is looking for you also.....

I believe in JESUS!

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hello....Pockets

I do not believe God is cruel. But I do believe that man (mankind) is. I do believe that some men in the religion's of the world who had spiritual authority over others did evil things to other people thoughout history that was not of God or ordered by God.

As an Athiest I guess you do not believe in the devil either? Is that correct?

If that being the case then you will not be able to see how the seeds of evil were sown by the serpent though out the Bible and the history of mankind.

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; He will bruise your head and you will bruise His heel." Genesis 3:15

What ever the seed may be, that is what the fruit will be. What ever the fruit is,it is a reflecton of the seed within.

"Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind whose seed is in itself. " Genesis 1:12

"You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruits, nor can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit....Therefore, by their fruits you shall know them." Mattew 7:16-18,20

"Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteouness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin because he has been born of God. In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. For this is the mesage that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous." 1John 3:7-12

The reason a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit is because the seed that sprouted and grew into that corrupt tree was corrupt to begin with and may only reproduce after its own kind. Consequently, the fruit and the seed within are corrupt for the very same reason. In contrast to the corrupt tree is the good tree which produces fruit containing good seed simply because the orginal seed from which it grew was good. Therefore, we are to understand by Jesus' words that the principle of the seed is actually a spiritual concept revealed to us by the natrual example.

The Parable of the Weeds explained...

"He answered,"The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdome everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. " Matthew 13:37-43

Those who have the Good Seed--the Word--within them are the children of God and exhibit this truth by producing fruits of righteouness. Their fruit is an expression of that Good Seed and actually contains that same Good Seed, because seed produces after it own kind.

In sharp contrast are thoese who do not have the Good Seed growing within them. John refers to them as "children of the Devil," the seed of the serpent. They do not practice righteousness because they cannot--they do not have the right seed. In fact, John points out this is how we are to distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil. God's Seed is within His own and Satan's seed is within his own.

This begs the question then, "What is Satan's seed?" Considering that God's seed is His Word, is it logical to conclude that Satan's seed is his word implanted within his children who are then disseminated thoughout the world? Is it not likely that his word and his seed are the tares growing among the wheat? If this is so, and this point is critical, it means that any other "holy" book or any other writing that ignores, disputes or defies the Word of God is the word of Satan. Consequently, those who receive and embrace this degenerate seed are the Serpent's Seed.

This prompts another question. What exactly is Satan's word?Is it not a small measure of truth that is mingled with a lie? Consider how the serpent, the most cunning of all the beasts of the field, beguiled the woman. He took a bit of truth, mingled it with a lie and persuaded her that the intention of Godls instructions was the oppsite of what God had truly purposed. In other words the reason for God's directiver not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was to sustain life and to propagate the Good Seed. As long as they were eating the fruit from the Tree of Life, that good seed was in them. Yet, the mingling of truth and falsehood succeeded in defiling that purpose. When she ate and then persuaded her husband to eat the forbidden fruit, the result was that another seed began to germinate within them.

That seed was at odds with the good seed, thus defiling the man and his wife. As a consequence, God's purpose for man was compromised; two different species of seed had been willingly received. This was and is the serpents's reason for sowing his poisonous word. This is why he sowed tares among the wheat--to corrupt and defile.

If Satan's word is his seed, then that seed is going to develop distinctly different fruit from that of the Good Seed. If the Word of God produces fruit characterized by love, mercy, faith, life, truth, etc.,it will be at enmity with fruit charactgerized by hate, terror, intimidation, murder and lies. Those fruit are produced by a different seed that originates from a source other than the God of Israel.

Just as the Torah produces "fruit afer its kind", the Qur'an repoduces itself though its own respective fruit. This is odd if you bear in mind that both cultures claim to call upon the same God. Both claim the same spiritual father, Abraham. Considering who gave birth to these two cultures, it would seem they are brothers. But the question must be asked--"Do they produce the same fruit?" If the answer is "No," then we must conclude that the seed is not the same. If they are of differing seeds, then only one can come from the Good Seed--the other must be the serpents's seed. Now it is time to compare the nature of these two "trees" by examining their fruit. In so doing, I will assume that the reader is familar with the fruit of the Spirit so that Isalam's fruit can be emphasized.
("But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,peace,patience, kindness,goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self-contol." Galatinas 5:22)

"War, not friendship is mandatroy until Islam reigns everywhere." (Sura 8:39, 2:193)
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him....We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection." (Sura 5:60,64)

Pockets...Most of all that you've read is from Bill Cloud's book "Enmity between the Seeds." He could say it much better than me. I hope it has helped you to see things in a different perspective. I'm not the sharpest caryon in the box...but, I hope you have gotten something from this. I felt the Lord's leading me to write about this. If you are here and truly searching....God will show Himself to you. God Bless you and your family.

As Christians none of us are perfect...we are all flawed...some of us show the flaws more easily than others. All are given gifts by the Holy Spirit. My goal is to be more like Chirst...but that is a life time process....I'm not where I was, but I'm not where I want to be in my growth with the Lord...the Lord is transforming me as I read God's Word the Holy Bible. I wish I had a magic marker to take away my mistakes, failures, and sins....but I don't. So I have to come before the Lord and repent of my sins....and as I forgive others who have sinned against me...so my Father forgive me my sins.

Pockets.....eternity is a long time to live with a mistaken view point. There are no second chances after we die. So with things the way they are in the world today...our whole world could change over night. Now is the time...now is the hour to accept the Lord. I will be praying for you and your family....I did stop and check the web site.

God Bless. marie<><

I will not live for "eternity", I will die in around 50 years. And then i will be dead. This means i do not exist anymore, other then the materia i came from. And o will you. And i prefer living the only life we have, in Enlightenment, then believing in something there is no proof for. I do not fear death, its natural, and it will happen to all. So i do not need a God to comfort me.

And you are correct, there is no second chance after death, for obvious reasons.

It really is sad for you isn't it? No belief in GOD and all....death means you return to the dirt you were made of....wait, isn't that what GOD'S WORD says.....yes, yes it is! Now prove that you won't become dirt again.

Well just as I suspected! Once again no response!

Your Friend In Christ,

Valerie

Messiahiscoming

I would have to think how sad of an existence that would be.

Amazing.

Pocket says:



Do you ever hear of a Christian that fears death?

No....not at all!

We look forward to living with our FATHER who is in heaven.

Oh..I'm sorry, you don't believe in YOUR CREATOR....or HEAVEN...

Well, do you believe in a soul?

Do you believe you have a soul POCKET? OR....are you just flesh and bones?'

Ashes to ashes and dust to dust.....

Hey wait Marta, what would everwatchful say if he were here? Two things come to mind....First of all PSH and STARE DEATH IN THE FACE AND LAUGH!!!

NO FEAR!!!!

Pamela, so TRUE!!! PSH!

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
It is a fearful thing to fall in the hands of the Lord.

God we lift Pocket up to you. I seems he's been hurt deeply, or filled with some kind of guilt, or letting his pride and ego get the best of his spirit.
Don't you know Pocket that you need to let go...Love life, Love Jesus, he wishes to bless you...with a new child in the family. The miracle of birth, have you ever seen a baby born...?
You have to become like a child to come Jesus. When your baby comes she or he will fill you with just one of the many blessings Jesus has in store for you and your family...And yes, time is short, your salvation is very critical..we are all praying for you.

He comes as a theif in the night..

or you can be prepared and SEEK, ASK, KNOCK...yes this means giving up that Pride and self and looking to the one whom wishes to set you FREE from bondage. HE IS COMING, IN ALL HIS GLORY, and all the HERE SAY AMEN
Jesus is the Answer.

EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED ...YOU will marvel, you will fall to your knees, you will be grateful, you will be filled with so much love and joy that you will wonder why you hid behind this wall that wishes not to receive this gift of Grace from a loving Father.
How can his love be contained when JESUS CHRIST our LORD is the Cup that runneth over?
JESUS IS COMING WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT...for his word will not come back VOID.
But your part is that you must open up that closed mind and open up that hardened heart for he will fill your mind with thoughts of joy and life, and your heart with compassion and the desire of knowing him personally. Your search will be over, you will rest in peace with Christ Jesus...Beleive me there is no greater love than this for a friend to lay down his life for another.

Even the friend that was left in the burning fire...the one whom tried to save him, should not feell guilt, because HE TRIED.
Just as Christ Jesus died for us all, we still kept going into the burning fire now didn't we, it shows we have compassion for one another, and also gives me a hint that you do too...
For God is love, and every one that knows love is of God..you don't sound like a hateful person, just one searching...we will pray beleive me, when one lost sheep goes astray a good shepherd will leave the whole flock to find it...Jesus is the good shepherd. But if you are going to belittle us for beleiving, and are only here to mock and not seek...God will still WIN...you lose. FREE CHOICE
and you are trying and denying at the same time...a man cannot serve two masters...CONFUSION ring a bell?

GOD's Peace that surpasseth all understanding to you and your family.

A song comes to mind...Ain't to proud to beg

That's how compassionate Christ Jesus was...he never even begged for his life to be spared because like any Father and you would probably do the same for your child, he let his life go so that his children could live...think about it.

I couldn't have said this better! GOD is GOOD, all the time!

I am so encouraged by what I am seeing here in the forum! It is really great!

I haven't been on since the other day when I posted the thread with my concerns because I've been extremely busy. The enemy doesn't have a chance when we simply CALL IT BY ITS NAME it and bring it out in the open.

YOU GUYS ROCK! All glory and honor and praise to the Father.

THE Almighty God is not the Only Good but is the Only Just. He has made it clear on what is Life and what is Death, choose ye this day because his rewards are with him. Amen to the Blessed Living God.LOVE offgrid

Will someone please show this person the proof?
This will be a sign for proof for you. The weather will disapear around the whole planet and blistering heat will be in every Hemisphere at the same time. Then you will see the oceans and seas and lakes and rivers and canals and underground wells and bottles and cans and all water supplies on earth turned to blood like the blood of a dead man. Then you will know that God is real and that you will need a comforter.

1 Corinthians 2
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.



Charlie

This may go along with the story of Sarah and Hagar, but the question about the Christian God is strange. The Christian God is Jesus, the word Christian did not exist until after the crucifixion of Jesus. 'The Lord' in the King James Version Old Testament is Jehovah and each bible tells you that in the introduction. And that is the name given to Moses.
Go on to Deut. 7:3 'Neither shall thou make marriages with them . . .'
:4 'For they will turn away thy sons from following me that they may serve other gods so that the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you and destroy you suddenly.'
The word 'destroy' does not mean kill in verse 2, it means 'to ban or curse' and smite means 'to wound.' In verse 4 'destroy' means 'cut down the altars.'

***sidebar-'allah' is the most High in Deut. 32:8 who separated the sons of Adam. 'allah' is the Aramaic word High, so the phrase is most allah.