2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Pray for this minister! He was doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing as Christians! Praying and speaking the truth....I got really upset at the response from the senator "you're here to make us feel good"...oh you mean tickle your itching ears with soothing speech and not tell the truth? He even said it was 'wrong'! Sounds like a classic symptoms of the end times...Paul warned us. All the pastor did was ask God to forgive this nation of it's ungodliness...and now it's 'wrong' and 'insulting'
Evolution, abortion ripped at Capitol prayer
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Church and state collided in the Capitol Tuesday when the opening prayer in the Unicameral asked forgiveness for abortions and the teaching of evolution.
Morning prayers typically are general in nature and do not touch on hot-button social, political or religious issues. Guidelines given to those who are asked to deliver the prayer, sent by the clerk of the Legislature's office, forbid talking about issues that are on that day's agenda for debate, or expressing any sentiment that could be considered political in nature.
The prayer was delivered by Tom Swartley, a minister at First Christian Church in Elm Creek. Standing at the front of the legislative chamber with his comments broadcast statewide, Swartley asked God for forgiveness for abortion, which he called a, "33-year-long nightmare."
"We go to work and school and come home and watch TV while genocide, infanticide and homicide is being committed against our own children," he said.
Swartley also asked forgiveness for "teaching the religion of evolution to our young citizens."
"We put our children in the same category as other mammals and then we wonder why some act like animals," he said.
Omaha Senator Ernie Chambers, who makes it a point not to be present during the daily prayer, rushed from his first-floor office up the stairs to the chamber in time to criticize the remarks shortly after they were completed.
"I have not been as enraged and furious in the Legislature as I am this morning," said an obviously upset Chambers.
Chambers, who described Swartley's prayer as divisive, insulting and wrong, renewed his call to do away with the morning prayer.
Lincoln Senator DiAnna Schimek, who said she did not hear the prayer, also spoke and said she believed others in addition to Chambers had been offended.
Swartley, who remained seated under a balcony inside the legislative chamber during Chambers' comments, said he had no intention of breaking the rules governing the prayer.
"I was praying to moral issues," said Swartley, who held a Bible in his left hand. "I was not endorsing a candidate or political party."
Swartley said he had read the guidelines sent in a letter from the clerk's office inviting him to deliver the prayer, and he didn't think praying about abortion would be in violation.
"I feel bad about the turmoil, but I don't feel bad about my convictions, which are based on the Bible," he said.
Senator Jim Cudaback of Riverdale, the lawmaker who invited Swartley, said Swartley had stepped over the line. Cudaback said he sends letters to numerous churches in his district seeking those interested in giving the prayer, and Swartley responded.
"You don't bring that kind of subject," Cudaback said of Swartley's prayer. "You're here to make us feel good."
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2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Pray for this minister! He was doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing as Christians! Praying and speaking the truth....I got really upset at the response from the senator "you're here to make us feel good"...oh you mean tickle your itching ears with soothing speech and not tell the truth? He even said it was 'wrong'! Sounds like a classic symptoms of the end times...Paul warned us. All the pastor did was ask God to forgive this nation of it's ungodliness...and now it's 'wrong' and 'insulting'
Evolution, abortion ripped at Capitol prayer
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Submitted By:Jack
Click for Source Article
Church and state collided in the Capitol Tuesday when the opening prayer in the Unicameral asked forgiveness for abortions and the teaching of evolution.
Morning prayers typically are general in nature and do not touch on hot-button social, political or religious issues. Guidelines given to those who are asked to deliver the prayer, sent by the clerk of the Legislature's office, forbid talking about issues that are on that day's agenda for debate, or expressing any sentiment that could be considered political in nature.
The prayer was delivered by Tom Swartley, a minister at First Christian Church in Elm Creek. Standing at the front of the legislative chamber with his comments broadcast statewide, Swartley asked God for forgiveness for abortion, which he called a, "33-year-long nightmare."
"We go to work and school and come home and watch TV while genocide, infanticide and homicide is being committed against our own children," he said.
Swartley also asked forgiveness for "teaching the religion of evolution to our young citizens."
"We put our children in the same category as other mammals and then we wonder why some act like animals," he said.
Omaha Senator Ernie Chambers, who makes it a point not to be present during the daily prayer, rushed from his first-floor office up the stairs to the chamber in time to criticize the remarks shortly after they were completed.
"I have not been as enraged and furious in the Legislature as I am this morning," said an obviously upset Chambers.
Chambers, who described Swartley's prayer as divisive, insulting and wrong, renewed his call to do away with the morning prayer.
Lincoln Senator DiAnna Schimek, who said she did not hear the prayer, also spoke and said she believed others in addition to Chambers had been offended.
Swartley, who remained seated under a balcony inside the legislative chamber during Chambers' comments, said he had no intention of breaking the rules governing the prayer.
"I was praying to moral issues," said Swartley, who held a Bible in his left hand. "I was not endorsing a candidate or political party."
Swartley said he had read the guidelines sent in a letter from the clerk's office inviting him to deliver the prayer, and he didn't think praying about abortion would be in violation.
"I feel bad about the turmoil, but I don't feel bad about my convictions, which are based on the Bible," he said.
Senator Jim Cudaback of Riverdale, the lawmaker who invited Swartley, said Swartley had stepped over the line. Cudaback said he sends letters to numerous churches in his district seeking those interested in giving the prayer, and Swartley responded.
"You don't bring that kind of subject," Cudaback said of Swartley's prayer. "You're here to make us feel good."
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Pray for this minister! He was doing exactly what we are supposed to be doing as Christians! Praying and speaking the truth....I got really upset at the response from the senator "you're here to make us feel good"...oh you mean tickle your itching ears with soothing speech and not tell the truth? He even said it was 'wrong'! Sounds like a classic symptoms of the end times...Paul warned us. All the pastor did was ask God to forgive this nation of it's ungodliness...and now it's 'wrong' and 'insulting'
Evolution, abortion ripped at Capitol prayer
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Submitted By:Jack
Click for Source Article
Church and state collided in the Capitol Tuesday when the opening prayer in the Unicameral asked forgiveness for abortions and the teaching of evolution.
Morning prayers typically are general in nature and do not touch on hot-button social, political or religious issues. Guidelines given to those who are asked to deliver the prayer, sent by the clerk of the Legislature's office, forbid talking about issues that are on that day's agenda for debate, or expressing any sentiment that could be considered political in nature.
The prayer was delivered by Tom Swartley, a minister at First Christian Church in Elm Creek. Standing at the front of the legislative chamber with his comments broadcast statewide, Swartley asked God for forgiveness for abortion, which he called a, "33-year-long nightmare."
"We go to work and school and come home and watch TV while genocide, infanticide and homicide is being committed against our own children," he said.
Swartley also asked forgiveness for "teaching the religion of evolution to our young citizens."
"We put our children in the same category as other mammals and then we wonder why some act like animals," he said.
Omaha Senator Ernie Chambers, who makes it a point not to be present during the daily prayer, rushed from his first-floor office up the stairs to the chamber in time to criticize the remarks shortly after they were completed.
"I have not been as enraged and furious in the Legislature as I am this morning," said an obviously upset Chambers.
Chambers, who described Swartley's prayer as divisive, insulting and wrong, renewed his call to do away with the morning prayer.
Lincoln Senator DiAnna Schimek, who said she did not hear the prayer, also spoke and said she believed others in addition to Chambers had been offended.
Swartley, who remained seated under a balcony inside the legislative chamber during Chambers' comments, said he had no intention of breaking the rules governing the prayer.
"I was praying to moral issues," said Swartley, who held a Bible in his left hand. "I was not endorsing a candidate or political party."
Swartley said he had read the guidelines sent in a letter from the clerk's office inviting him to deliver the prayer, and he didn't think praying about abortion would be in violation.
"I feel bad about the turmoil, but I don't feel bad about my convictions, which are based on the Bible," he said.
Senator Jim Cudaback of Riverdale, the lawmaker who invited Swartley, said Swartley had stepped over the line. Cudaback said he sends letters to numerous churches in his district seeking those interested in giving the prayer, and Swartley responded.
"You don't bring that kind of subject," Cudaback said of Swartley's prayer. "You're here to make us feel good."
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I certainly agree with that pastor. The same thing is on my heart and that is why I posted that payer in Prayer Requests. Seems like people do not want to hear this today!
justaservant
I am sad to say that this comes as no big shock to me. This is just a little piece of what we will be seeing more and more of 
Hi!
Hey did you read the article right under that one...YEH, NOW THIS IS OKAY!!! NOT!
Muslims given permission to Pray in school, but not us Christians!
Here is the link to that article: http://www.tribulation.ws/listnews.php?article=598
I just thought, man what a double standard, and why??? Well, I guess I know why, but man "it just gets my goat a little"! your sis, hannah
Hey did you read the article right under that one...YEH, NOW THIS IS OKAY!!! NOT!
Muslims given permission to Pray in school, but not us Christians!
Here is the link to that article: http://www.tribulation.ws/listnews.php?article=598
I just thought, man what a double standard, and why??? Well, I guess I know why, but man "it just gets my goat a little"! your sis, hannah
wild beasts, wild beasts. The whole lot of them. They'll become as wild beasts.
Daniel 4:33
Daniel 4:33
I for one agree with this pastor!!!!!! Praise God, he took it upon himself to be the one crying in the wilderness....guess who's coming next? Can anyone guess? 
That's just sad:
"You're here to make us feel good."
C'mon, really it's a Christian's job to pry your eyes open to what you and the world are doing wrong (in a good, proper way), even if it depresses or angers you, not to make you feel good in all your wicked ways. This is just another example of good being made evil and visa-versa, which the Bible says will happen in the time of the end.
And anyways, one point of the Tribulation is to judge the luke-warm "feel-goodies" and make them realise that they need to face facts.
"You're here to make us feel good."
C'mon, really it's a Christian's job to pry your eyes open to what you and the world are doing wrong (in a good, proper way), even if it depresses or angers you, not to make you feel good in all your wicked ways. This is just another example of good being made evil and visa-versa, which the Bible says will happen in the time of the end.
And anyways, one point of the Tribulation is to judge the luke-warm "feel-goodies" and make them realise that they need to face facts.
This goes right along with being politically correct in what you say! What ever happened to freedom of speach???
sounds like he walked the true path that is always the narrow one with few standing by your side...God wants us to seek the truth and not lean on man as this minister showed. Good for him!
God bless you
Sunshine
God bless you
Sunshine
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I for one agree with this pastor!!!!!! Praise God, he took it upon himself to be the one crying in the wilderness....guess who's coming next? Can anyone guess?
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You guys are so right!! I just love having fellowship with all of you!
The minister was right to stand up and speak the truth. If you love someone, you must tell them the truth. Just make sure you get the plank out of your eye before you help your brother or sister with the sliver in theirs. I'm going to guess that the minister already knew what kind of reaction he was going to get and he did it anyway. May God bless and strenthen him.
I have to say this to all of you. This specific issue is the one of the greatest importance to all of us. I know, what about the war in Iraq? What about the war between the Jews and the Palestinians? What about the Iranians and their dreams of bombs? What about Bin Laden you ask?
Yes, I know these are all very important, but I'm suggesting this. We have seen over and over again in history where governments become allied with religion. This hideous union, which God calls spiritual fornication, has caused somewhere around 50 million deaths over the course of history. This union of church and state is death to the faithful.
Here's one of the reasons, something to consider. The Nebraska senator, who suggested the pastor or minister was there to make us feel good; he's the one who will decide doctrine once church and state become one. The politicians, whos motive is self, will ally themselves with clergy whos motives are usually self, and produce an unstoppable force for destruction. This has happened many times before and will happen again.
I know, why would someone who loves God want to prevent the church from having influence over government right? Becuase government of man is inherently evil. Even if organized religion was pure, and it definately isn't, any union between the chruch and government that is evil, will be evil magnified. If you mix unleavened with the leavened, you get leavened.
We went to Afganistan to remove a theocracy from power. The taliban ruled the government and it was bad. We see the reason we needed to do this, but we don't see the very same thing happening right before our eyes in the good ole U S of A.
This is the last final global war. It will pit one brand of corrupted religion, namely Islam that WIL gain control of evil governments like ones in the middle east and powerful parts of the former Soviet Union, against another corrupted branch of religion, namely Christianity that will gain control over the evil governments of the US and all western democracies.
Religious theocracy ruling powerful governments is bad, no matter what government or what brand of religion. Government corrupts because it is power held over man by sinful man. The combination of religion and government is corruption in a godly looking package.
Please forgive me if I tell you any government sponsored prayer or religious practice is a bad idea. The combination of religion and government is death. It's death to the people governed and death to the religion.
If you disagree that's of course just fine. I certainly don't mind if you do as I love you and respect your opinion. Besides, I'm not going to get my way. What I fear most is guaranteed to happen. I guarantee it. So you'll see for yourself how it works out when government and religion combines.
Watch it happen.
I love you
The minister was right to stand up and speak the truth. If you love someone, you must tell them the truth. Just make sure you get the plank out of your eye before you help your brother or sister with the sliver in theirs. I'm going to guess that the minister already knew what kind of reaction he was going to get and he did it anyway. May God bless and strenthen him.
I have to say this to all of you. This specific issue is the one of the greatest importance to all of us. I know, what about the war in Iraq? What about the war between the Jews and the Palestinians? What about the Iranians and their dreams of bombs? What about Bin Laden you ask?
Yes, I know these are all very important, but I'm suggesting this. We have seen over and over again in history where governments become allied with religion. This hideous union, which God calls spiritual fornication, has caused somewhere around 50 million deaths over the course of history. This union of church and state is death to the faithful.
Here's one of the reasons, something to consider. The Nebraska senator, who suggested the pastor or minister was there to make us feel good; he's the one who will decide doctrine once church and state become one. The politicians, whos motive is self, will ally themselves with clergy whos motives are usually self, and produce an unstoppable force for destruction. This has happened many times before and will happen again.
I know, why would someone who loves God want to prevent the church from having influence over government right? Becuase government of man is inherently evil. Even if organized religion was pure, and it definately isn't, any union between the chruch and government that is evil, will be evil magnified. If you mix unleavened with the leavened, you get leavened.
We went to Afganistan to remove a theocracy from power. The taliban ruled the government and it was bad. We see the reason we needed to do this, but we don't see the very same thing happening right before our eyes in the good ole U S of A.
This is the last final global war. It will pit one brand of corrupted religion, namely Islam that WIL gain control of evil governments like ones in the middle east and powerful parts of the former Soviet Union, against another corrupted branch of religion, namely Christianity that will gain control over the evil governments of the US and all western democracies.
Religious theocracy ruling powerful governments is bad, no matter what government or what brand of religion. Government corrupts because it is power held over man by sinful man. The combination of religion and government is corruption in a godly looking package.
Please forgive me if I tell you any government sponsored prayer or religious practice is a bad idea. The combination of religion and government is death. It's death to the people governed and death to the religion.
If you disagree that's of course just fine. I certainly don't mind if you do as I love you and respect your opinion. Besides, I'm not going to get my way. What I fear most is guaranteed to happen. I guarantee it. So you'll see for yourself how it works out when government and religion combines.
Watch it happen.
I love you
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