I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
Full Version: Why Are There So Many Religions?
Well, that's a good question!
The book of Romans answers just that question so you should study it (Galations too).
Anyone else out there want to give an answer to this good question rather than my do-it-yourself answer? I don't have the time right now.
The book of Romans answers just that question so you should study it (Galations too).
Anyone else out there want to give an answer to this good question rather than my do-it-yourself answer? I don't have the time right now.
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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To answer your questions....Man inadvertantly took God's Word and God's Law and gave man's interpretation of God's Word and God's Law; and created religion!
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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Hello brother,
You said it so well in this scripture you gave: "I did not come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them" AMEN! He did fulfill all the laws and gave us two laws that covered all of the ten commandments...To Love the Lord thy G-d with all of your heart, mind and spirit, and to love one another as He has loved us...With these two all the laws are covered...so, we live in Christ and let Him direct our walks as we learn of HIM, AMEN!
I will try to the best of my abilities to explain "how man messed up with "religion"...as I see it....all Christian Judeo Faiths have one Father...YAHWEH...or Abba Father if you prefer. Now, yes, of course Jesus was a jew, but who was it that He was most upset with....The Rabbi's, why?...Cause they kept the Lord in a box and didn't share Him with anyone....blind guides....they interpreted for the jews "what was right or wrong"...Which Jesus did not apparently appreciate....you sepuclars of dead whitewashed bones.....They kept G-d for themselves...and gave the people "rules"! Which is kinda why you could understand why Jesus was upset with them.
Our most wonderful Lord... freed us all by His blood scarifice and by our faith in Him, through Grace....to bring us back into fellowship with Abba!! He came to cover our sins and to teach us about the Heavenly things and to point us to the Father and how much the Trinity of G-d wants to fellowship with us....remember this..."The kingdom of heaven is here"....So He established a "New Covenent" with His children, which included "all those upon the earth", but the jews are still "His chosen peoples", now they don't want Him, so He gave "His gifts unto all" amen.
Now, I am a messianic jew, not bragging trust me!! I just was born a jew, and then in my early twenties became a Child of the Lords. I didn't have any background in my jewishness, so I had nothing to go by, and He led me into His green pastures and has been teaching me these last thirty years all about HIM! Which none of that learning has included keeping the Old Testament laws...I live in His love and grace, amen, I don't think there is any other way to live...HE DID IT ALL ON THE CROSS!! Thank you Lord!
Now, only Jesus Himself could keep all the commands of G-d, and He died so that we could live in Him and resume fellowship, which was lost to man, when he fell...so Jesus came to kinda put everything back in place, as it should have been! Now, religion enters the picture...and again we see Pharasess in the world...those who insist on living by their own ways and keep the Lord from others by accusing people of being sinners but do not offer Jesus for their help...and then there are those who to choose to live in His grace, who are those that "are dead in Christ", as now it is Christ that lives in them and they are surrendered totally in HIM!
Now, the reason for soooo many Christian denominations is cause of man! Our Lord started off with a "home churching style" and later man decided and did add for our enjoyment..."the big buildings for us to assemble in"....now every church has some malarky in them and not perfect...But I am sure that Jesus knows who are His children within each denomination(ever notice that you can just change a couple letters to find out who made this happen...demon-ination)...Therefore "once again...there is "one body in Christ" no matter what you call yourself...RC, pentacostal, lutheran, whatever....each member of the body of Christ serves to HIM a purpose....We just have to wait to see what the each church is intended for, as each of us is different, so is each church....But, all those who Love and serve HIM with repentent hearts and love abounding....belong to HIM! AMEN!!! your sister,
hannah Hope that made some sense! 
QUOTE(hannah fievel @ Jan 25 2006, 03:36 PM)
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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Hello brother,
You said it so well in this scripture you gave: "I did not come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfill them" AMEN! He did fulfill all the laws and gave us two laws that covered all of the ten commandments...To Love the Lord thy G-d with all of your heart, mind and spirit, and to love one another as He has loved us...With these two all the laws are covered...so, we live in Christ and let Him direct our walks as we learn of HIM, AMEN!
I will try to the best of my abilities to explain "how man messed up with "religion"...as I see it....all Christian Judeo Faiths have one Father...YAHWEH...or Abba Father if you prefer. Now, yes, of course Jesus was a jew, but who was it that He was most upset with....The Rabbi's, why?...Cause they kept the Lord in a box and didn't share Him with anyone....blind guides....they interpreted for the jews "what was right or wrong"...Which Jesus did not apparently appreciate....you sepuclars of dead whitewashed bones.....They kept G-d for themselves...and gave the people "rules"! Which is kinda why you could understand why Jesus was upset with them.
Our most wonderful Lord... freed us all by His blood scarifice and by our faith in Him, through Grace....to bring us back into fellowship with Abba!! He came to cover our sins and to teach us about the Heavenly things and to point us to the Father and how much the Trinity of G-d wants to fellowship with us....remember this..."The kingdom of heaven is here"....So He established a "New Covenent" with His children, which included "all those upon the earth", but the jews are still "His chosen peoples", now they don't want Him, so He gave "His gifts unto all" amen.
Now, I am a messianic jew, not bragging trust me!! I just was born a jew, and then in my early twenties became a Child of the Lords. I didn't have any background in my jewishness, so I had nothing to go by, and He led me into His green pastures and has been teaching me these last thirty years all about HIM! Which none of that learning has included keeping the Old Testament laws...I live in His love and grace, amen, I don't think there is any other way to live...HE DID IT ALL ON THE CROSS!! Thank you Lord!
Now, only Jesus Himself could keep all the commands of G-d, and He died so that we could live in Him and resume fellowship, which was lost to man, when he fell...so Jesus came to kinda put everything back in place, as it should have been! Now, religion enters the picture...and again we see Pharasess in the world...those who insist on living by their own ways and keep the Lord from others by accusing people of being sinners but do not offer Jesus for their help...and then there are those who to choose to live in His grace, who are those that "are dead in Christ", as now it is Christ that lives in them and they are surrendered totally in HIM!
Now, the reason for soooo many Christian denominations is cause of man! Our Lord started off with a "home churching style" and later man decided and did add for our enjoyment..."the big buildings for us to assemble in"....now every church has some malarky in them and not perfect...But I am sure that Jesus knows who are His children within each denomination(ever notice that you can just change a couple letters to find out who made this happen...demon-ination)...Therefore "once again...there is "one body in Christ" no matter what you call yourself...RC, pentacostal, lutheran, whatever....each member of the body of Christ serves to HIM a purpose....We just have to wait to see what the each church is intended for, as each of us is different, so is each church....But, all those who Love and serve HIM with repentent hearts and love abounding....belong to HIM! AMEN!!! your sister,
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Thanks Hannah,
I had to leave inadvertantly and could not finish my post. Well put!
Jason,
1 Peter 2:5 calls the church-'Living Stones' The reason the Law is not passed through Jesus, (although I think it is indeed passed through HIM, but that is a whole subject unto itself) is that Jesus corrected the Jews ie, Judism, in his speeches about and to the Pharisees, Scribes and the self appointed high court known as the Sanhedrin. See Matthew 15:9 and Matthew 23:5-7.
Not all churches are built on the same doctrines...or scriptures...that is what the early church leaders put their beliefs on; and to which scriptures they believed to be most important. The churches have spilt several times over all the generations and now we have some that are fakes among many that are really all about God. None of the religions are 100% right, or 100% wrong, but all have the basic belief in the diety of Christ. Revelation mentions 7 churches. Each has specific attributes and faults. Some believe this to be different time periods, but I think it is more of how religion is today! See Revelation chapters 2 & 3.
There are a few churches which preach that they are the only true church of GOD. I find this to be somewhat flawed. ( But I will not go into a long detail and stir up argument on which ones or why I beleive this to be the case.) Just search the scriptures for yourself. Don't trust a religion or a preacher/preist to tell you what to believe in. God's Word is the only true answer! There are so many scriptures that deal specifically with the church and religion. If you have a concordance to the Bible this may help you. I use a reference book called Where to find it in the Bible. It is an A to Z guide. It does not cover all of the Catholic Bible's Books, as it is different from my KJV, but it will give you some good reference materials. Wish I could be more helpful, but this has been the greatest question to me; as I have studied both Catholicism and Christianity in four different religious groups.
Bottom line for me is...THE BIBLE. If what a religion teaches is not sound doctrine, I'll run the other direction...to the BIBLE. If it is sound, I will search the BIBLE to prove it is sound doctrine. My point being don't take my word for it, search the scriptures and see what God's Word says for you.
Happy Hunting!
I would just like to say that I really love the Old Testament. It was in the Old Testament where I really learned who God is! I saw His power as He spoke creation into existance. I saw His lovingkindnes as He took Noah into the Ark and closed to door. This was magnified as He called Abraham out of his home country and God promised that he offspring would be as the stars in heaven. I understood what God thinks of sin when He rained fire down on Sodom and Gomarrah.
I learned what He likes and what He abhores as He gave his Word to Moses. If it wasn't for the Old Testament, I would never have the solid image of God that I have.
But it was in the New Testament where I learned that God was doing His dead level best to not be condeming but to bring Salvation to all. It was impossible that my works could have meet the requirements that God laid down in the Old Testament. It was grace and the continuation of the lovingkindness of The Old Testament that took my Savior to the cross. I don't care what name you put on it. It is Christ who is all in all. He is my Savior. He is my King, He is my Refuge in the storm. He is my Rock when all is realing. He is my Light when all around is dark. He is my Answer when there is nothing but questions. He is Shield when those around me are seeking me harm. He is the Way when I have lost mine. He is the Provider when I have nothing. He is my Healer when I am wounded. He is my God and there is no other!
justaservant
I learned what He likes and what He abhores as He gave his Word to Moses. If it wasn't for the Old Testament, I would never have the solid image of God that I have.
But it was in the New Testament where I learned that God was doing His dead level best to not be condeming but to bring Salvation to all. It was impossible that my works could have meet the requirements that God laid down in the Old Testament. It was grace and the continuation of the lovingkindness of The Old Testament that took my Savior to the cross. I don't care what name you put on it. It is Christ who is all in all. He is my Savior. He is my King, He is my Refuge in the storm. He is my Rock when all is realing. He is my Light when all around is dark. He is my Answer when there is nothing but questions. He is Shield when those around me are seeking me harm. He is the Way when I have lost mine. He is the Provider when I have nothing. He is my Healer when I am wounded. He is my God and there is no other!
justaservant
QUOTE(justaservant @ Jan 26 2006, 08:42 PM)
I would just like to say that I really love the Old Testament. It was in the Old Testament where I really learned who God is! I saw His power as He spoke creation into existance. I saw His lovingkindnes as He took Noah into the Ark and closed to door. This was magnified as He called Abraham out of his home country and God promised that he offspring would be as the stars in heaven. I understood what God thinks of sin when He rained fire down on Sodom and Gomarrah.
I learned what He likes and what He abhores as He gave his Word to Moses. If it wasn't for the Old Testament, I would never have the solid image of God that I have.
But it was in the New Testament where I learned that God was doing His dead level best to not be condeming but to bring Salvation to all. It was impossible that my works could have meet the requirements that God laid down in the Old Testament. It was grace and the continuation of the lovingkindness of The Old Testament that took my Savior to the cross. I don't care what name you put on it. It is Christ who is all in all. He is my Savior. He is my King, He is my Refuge in the storm. He is my Rock when all is realing. He is my Light when all around is dark. He is my Answer when there is nothing but questions. He is Shield when those around me are seeking me harm. He is the Way when I have lost mine. He is the Provider when I have nothing. He is my Healer when I am wounded. He is my God and there is no other!
justaservant
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I learned what He likes and what He abhores as He gave his Word to Moses. If it wasn't for the Old Testament, I would never have the solid image of God that I have.
But it was in the New Testament where I learned that God was doing His dead level best to not be condeming but to bring Salvation to all. It was impossible that my works could have meet the requirements that God laid down in the Old Testament. It was grace and the continuation of the lovingkindness of The Old Testament that took my Savior to the cross. I don't care what name you put on it. It is Christ who is all in all. He is my Savior. He is my King, He is my Refuge in the storm. He is my Rock when all is realing. He is my Light when all around is dark. He is my Answer when there is nothing but questions. He is Shield when those around me are seeking me harm. He is the Way when I have lost mine. He is the Provider when I have nothing. He is my Healer when I am wounded. He is my God and there is no other!
justaservant
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AMEN to that Justaservant
Beautiful post.
Beautiful heart
Greetings Jason-
To piggyback what Hannah said regarding the summation of the law in two commandments...
Often times, we have different religions (are you also referring to denominations as well often times people use this interchangably???) because we have a hard time trying to figure out what love is and how we should do it...
I read a cultural commentary once on this. It told of a traditional Jewis story passed down regarding the story of Abraham and Sarah and what happened to the letters in Abram and Sarai.... Let me dig it up... its neat...
To piggyback what Hannah said regarding the summation of the law in two commandments...
Often times, we have different religions (are you also referring to denominations as well often times people use this interchangably???) because we have a hard time trying to figure out what love is and how we should do it...
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"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
I read a cultural commentary once on this. It told of a traditional Jewis story passed down regarding the story of Abraham and Sarah and what happened to the letters in Abram and Sarai.... Let me dig it up... its neat...
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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You are on the right track.
We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Jesus never came to say anything contradicting what God the father said concerning the laws to man.
can you name some laws that you are talking about before I go into a tangent?
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QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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You are on the right track.
We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Jesus never came to say anything contradicting what God the father said concerning the laws to man.
can you name some laws that you are talking about before I go into a tangent?
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I mean...the jews have many traditions that we don't follow, for example chosher meals, the kaballah, and other traditions.....this was law given from GOD to Moses. If Jesus didn't come to change the law, then why don't we do this also..
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 30 2006, 08:43 AM)
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Jan 27 2006, 11:14 AM)
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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You are on the right track.
We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Jesus never came to say anything contradicting what God the father said concerning the laws to man.
can you name some laws that you are talking about before I go into a tangent?
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I mean...the jews have many traditions that we don't follow, for example chosher meals, the kaballah, and other traditions.....this was law given from GOD to Moses. If Jesus didn't come to change the law, then why don't we do this also..
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understand that through time there was a conversion of non-Jews into Christianity. Christianity opened doors to various cultures, traditions, languages, etc.
Overall, I think the Christian belief emphasises the belief of our saviour Jesus Christ instead of Jewish traditions.
Why couldn't new nations practice kosher foods or holidays for example?
well maybe that's because you'll need a great amount of people to start that trend in order for it to catch on in a nation.
Besides you will also see the Christianity change in general through the ages too due to inside and outside factors.
any one can please add if there is stuff I'm missing.
understand that through time there was a conversion of non-Jews into Christianity. Christianity opened doors to various cultures, traditions, languages, etc.
Overall, I think the Christian belief emphasises the belief of our saviour Jesus Christ instead of Jewish traditions.
Why couldn't new nations practice kosher foods or holidays for example?
well maybe that's because you'll need a great amount of people to start that trend in order for it to catch on in a nation.
Besides you will also see the Christianity change in general through the ages too due to inside and outside factors.
any one can please add if there is stuff I'm missing.
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Thank you for your reply...it helps me a little, but there are still a huge number of unanswered questions..one example is, Is the changing of Christianity over the years due to the changing values? for example, it's taught that marriage is between man and woman, but if the union of man and man or woman and woman is socially acceptable, then the church will change as well. am i right?
This happend a lot over the years i would say...the changing of Catholic dogma for public convienience....which is bad because then it's a riligion of men not of God....we make our own rules now....what of that?
Overall, I think the Christian belief emphasises the belief of our saviour Jesus Christ instead of Jewish traditions.
Why couldn't new nations practice kosher foods or holidays for example?
well maybe that's because you'll need a great amount of people to start that trend in order for it to catch on in a nation.
Besides you will also see the Christianity change in general through the ages too due to inside and outside factors.
any one can please add if there is stuff I'm missing.
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Thank you for your reply...it helps me a little, but there are still a huge number of unanswered questions..one example is, Is the changing of Christianity over the years due to the changing values? for example, it's taught that marriage is between man and woman, but if the union of man and man or woman and woman is socially acceptable, then the church will change as well. am i right?
This happend a lot over the years i would say...the changing of Catholic dogma for public convienience....which is bad because then it's a riligion of men not of God....we make our own rules now....what of that?
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understand that through time there was a conversion of non-Jews into Christianity. Christianity opened doors to various cultures, traditions, languages, etc.
Overall, I think the Christian belief emphasises the belief of our saviour Jesus Christ instead of Jewish traditions.
Why couldn't new nations practice kosher foods or holidays for example?
well maybe that's because you'll need a great amount of people to start that trend in order for it to catch on in a nation.
Besides you will also see the Christianity change in general through the ages too due to inside and outside factors.
any one can please add if there is stuff I'm missing.
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Thank you for your reply...it helps me a little, but there are still a huge number of unanswered questions..one example is, Is the changing of Christianity over the years due to the changing values? for example, it's taught that marriage is between man and woman, but if the union of man and man or woman and woman is socially acceptable, then the church will change as well. am i right?
This happend a lot over the years i would say...the changing of Catholic dogma for public convienience....which is bad because then it's a riligion of men not of God....we make our own rules now....what of that?
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yes sir...things have definatly changed.
Will the church change? hmmm some will give in and some won't. that's my opinion but that really shouldn't affect you in serving God. There will be distractions but you have to keep straight.
society accepting homosexual marriage is only a fraction of what goes on now.
you also have... females becoming pastors, divorce, idolatry, women being head of household, etc. etc.
But the best thing to do is not pay to any attention to that. Study the word and stay true. It doesn't matter if so and so is doing who knows what. God will have rewards waiting in heaven. you have to trust that.
understand that through time there was a conversion of non-Jews into Christianity. Christianity opened doors to various cultures, traditions, languages, etc.
Overall, I think the Christian belief emphasises the belief of our saviour Jesus Christ instead of Jewish traditions.
Why couldn't new nations practice kosher foods or holidays for example?
well maybe that's because you'll need a great amount of people to start that trend in order for it to catch on in a nation.
Besides you will also see the Christianity change in general through the ages too due to inside and outside factors.
any one can please add if there is stuff I'm missing.
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Thank you for your reply...it helps me a little, but there are still a huge number of unanswered questions..one example is, Is the changing of Christianity over the years due to the changing values? for example, it's taught that marriage is between man and woman, but if the union of man and man or woman and woman is socially acceptable, then the church will change as well. am i right?
This happend a lot over the years i would say...the changing of Catholic dogma for public convienience....which is bad because then it's a riligion of men not of God....we make our own rules now....what of that?
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yes sir...things have definatly changed.
Will the church change? hmmm some will give in and some won't. that's my opinion but that really shouldn't affect you in serving God. There will be distractions but you have to keep straight.
society accepting homosexual marriage is only a fraction of what goes on now.
you also have... females becoming pastors, divorce, idolatry, women being head of household, etc. etc.
But the best thing to do is not pay to any attention to that. Study the word and stay true. It doesn't matter if so and so is doing who knows what. God will have rewards waiting in heaven. you have to trust that.
All I can say is if we make our own rules up-we are in a big heap of trouble.
Matthew 5:19
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Who will be the greatest of them all ?
What religion will triumph over the evil influences of Mans ways ?
The kingdom of heaven is GODs spiritual abode here on earth in the furture.
We are still being cleansed and refined until all is made crystal clear and one religous entity is raised above all others.
LC
"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Who will be the greatest of them all ?
What religion will triumph over the evil influences of Mans ways ?
The kingdom of heaven is GODs spiritual abode here on earth in the furture.
We are still being cleansed and refined until all is made crystal clear and one religous entity is raised above all others.
LC
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Jan 27 2006, 03:14 PM)
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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You are on the right track.
We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Jesus never came to say anything contradicting what God the father said concerning the laws to man.
can you name some laws that you are talking about before I go into a tangent?
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We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Then why did Jesus have to come? Why not just keep sacrificing animals?
Care to clarify?
QUOTE(Miki @ Feb 12 2006, 07:29 AM)
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Jan 27 2006, 03:14 PM)
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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You are on the right track.
We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Jesus never came to say anything contradicting what God the father said concerning the laws to man.
can you name some laws that you are talking about before I go into a tangent?
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We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Then why did Jesus have to come? Why not just keep sacrificing animals?
Care to clarify?
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Well...for one the God would not literally put an animal; a bull, a sheep, or a dove on his throne
and secondly an animal would not have the victory the Lord holds that he judges all things and all matters.
A bull would just mooo, a sheep would just bleat, and a dove would just cooo. Imagine trying to understand such a thing if these were to judge you???
QUOTE(Miki @ Feb 12 2006, 07:29 AM)
QUOTE(c-los medrano @ Jan 27 2006, 03:14 PM)
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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You are on the right track.
We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Jesus never came to say anything contradicting what God the father said concerning the laws to man.
can you name some laws that you are talking about before I go into a tangent?
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We do have to follow the old testament laws.
Then why did Jesus have to come? Why not just keep sacrificing animals?
Care to clarify?
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in simple terms:
sacrifing animals was a way to "temporarily" cover ones sins.
When Jesus Christ came...He sacrificed His life for the world's sins.
No need to sacrifice animals any longer.
Now if you're asking,,,why did Jesus come when He could of simply let people keep sacrificing animals? well, before Jesus came and died for our sins.
Some people resided in an area called Abraham's bosom after death.
I'm going to leave this topic answered vaguely to let some one jump in and add to this.
C-los
You didn't get it.....You made the statement that we HAVE to follow OT laws...
My response to that was, 'Why not just keep sacrificing animals if we still have to follow the law'?
You didn't get it.....You made the statement that we HAVE to follow OT laws...
My response to that was, 'Why not just keep sacrificing animals if we still have to follow the law'?
Jesus lifted the burden of the law because man could never keep it. So why are you still trying? Rest in him. His yoke is easy not hard. Does that mean we should go on sinning? No, but it means to quit wringing your hands...
QUOTE(Miki @ Feb 13 2006, 06:21 AM)
Jesus lifted the burden of the law because man could never keep it. So why are you still trying? Rest in him. His yoke is easy not hard. Does that mean we should go on sinning? No, but it means to quit wringing your hands...
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what "laws" are you talking about?
are you talking about Jewish laws such as eating kosher foods, or celebration of feasts??
When i said we have to follow old laws..i was talking about the commandments, etc. I had a friend that was gay but practices it anyways becasue he was saying that that was the "old God" in the old testament. "We don't have to follow the old laws" he would say.
Love the Lord your god with all your heart soul mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
That covers a whole lot of territory don't you think?
That covers a whole lot of territory don't you think?
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Love the Lord your god with all your heart soul mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself.
That covers a whole lot of territory don't you think?
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That covers a whole lot of territory don't you think?
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Sure does.
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 05:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
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The law of Moses was an image of the law of Grace after Christ.
The Jewish people' separation as God's chosen from other tribes, people and nations was a forerunning sign of the separation of the Christian from the World (non-born again, regardless whether Jew or Gentile).
The Law was the base, that's why Jesus acknowledged the Law, but the Law was fastidious to keep, and the repeated inability of the Jewish people to keep the Law and to remain faithful to God who had delivered them from Egypt (symbol of the World), plus the continuous flow of sacrificing innocent animals all was pointing to the need of a Saviour who would "give us a new heart", and make of us new creatures.
Jesus would be our innocent sacrifice once for all. In giving us a new heart, He would help us keep the Law by making us "The righteousness of God".
The Jews rejected Jesus as the expected Messiah for a purpose, so that the Gospel be preached to the Gentiles. But God has not forgotten the Jews.
It is part of His plan to have them return to Him as well. Once all the ones whose names are written in the Lambs' Book of Life are fullfilled, time will be devoted to the Jews.
I believe that this too is a forerunning sign for the unsaved who will finally be saved at one point or another. Remember it is God's will that ALL MEN be saved.
God has to honor his word since He is not a man that he should lie.
I believe that just as God blinded the Jews, God does blind the unsaved, for God uses them as well to accomplish His purpose. We remember how God turned Pharaoh's heart many times so to show Egypt that there was only one God, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. (This is an excellent example on how God operates.) and to deliver the Jewish nation from enslavement (symbol of the enslavement by SIN).
Now about the many religions, Jesus said that there were many roads to Heaven but only one would lead to it, through him, for he is the Way, the Gate, Life!
The many false religions illustrate an attempt from unsaved, blinded man to achieve Heaven without God. I put atheists, satanists and self righteous in the same category.
Keeping an eye on the Jewish nation will teach us many things!
Hi senteami,
You said:
Can you give an example (other than the Jew) of God unhardening a heart that he himself hardened?
You said:
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"I believe that just as God blinded the Jews, God does blind the unsaved, for God uses them as well to accomplish His purpose. We remember how God turned Pharaoh's heart many times so to show Egypt that there was only one God, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. (This is an excellent example on how God operates.) and to deliver the Jewish nation from enslavement (symbol of the enslavement by SIN)".
Can you give an example (other than the Jew) of God unhardening a heart that he himself hardened?
Thank you all for your replies. This gives me insight to what i need to know. I am a researcher and in my research i found many things that i shouldn't have that led me astray but ultimatly i've found a new understanding and i think that is the best revelation from God that i could ever get. God bless you all and keep watching for Jesus to return.
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
There is one God who manifested in different ways to different cultures and times.
There are also false Gods. and there is truth mixed with lie.
want proof?
jesus in hindu scriptures
http://www.sdaindia.net/jesus_in_hindu_scr...scriptures.html
and
http://www.acns.com/%7Emm9n/hind/Chapter%20Six.htm
pagans hearing about Christ as the son of their supreme God BEFORE missionaries come
http://net-burst.net/hot/pagans.htm
Excellent!! thanks for the info...i love comparing different religions and seing how there the same. This helps me. cool!!
QUOTE(jason benoit @ Feb 15 2006, 07:00 AM)
Excellent!! thanks for the info...i love comparing different religions and seing how there the same. This helps me. cool!!
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Making the Cross the center of your life every area of it is the true religion.
The single most pervading reason there are different denominations, and even religions is CULTURE. Many Christians today feel a need to return to Christianity's Judaic roots because Jesus was a practicing Jew and a Rabbi. It is undeniable that Greco-Roman culture helped shape the Christianity we know today. We need to look no further than the celebration of Jesus birth on December 25th, both the highest pagan holiday of Saturnalia and the alleged birthdate of Mithras. A study of actual scripture reveals Jesus would have been born in the early spring, and this is seems confirmed by Christian astronomers using computers to calculate possible heavenly event (planetary conjunctions) that may have been the star of Bethlehem.
There are certain spiritual "truths" known to virtually every human culture that verifies the truth of the original holy Torah endorsed by Jesus. For example, throughout the world there are stories of sacred trees guarded by an intelligent, talking dragon or serpent, as well as a great flood. But sometime in the past, variance in cultures as well as God's selection for just one of these cultures to be "chosen" and guided, led for these same ancient beliefs to be contained in both pagan cultures as well as Judaism.
The Greek converts to Christianity, for example, undoubtedly saw an uncanny similarity between the Eden story, and their myth of the Golden Fleece, an artifact that granted eternal life, in a tree, guarded by an intelligent serpent-dragon who was the servant of the God Aries. There is even a reseurrection parallel in the earliest version of this myth, in that the dragon swallows Jason who dies, but is spewed up on the command of a Goddess and restored to life. This bears similarity to the Jonah story, and of course, Jesus compares his reseurrection with the story of Jonah.
As a sideline, the early Christians all believed Jonah was swallowed by a dragon-servant of God, and not a fish or whale. This is verified by every depiction of the Jonah story we see today in ancient church mosaics, tombstones, and carved Bible covers, and supported by a greater understanding then, that dragons were the heavenly creature we know as "seraphim" than today's misunderstanding that they are winged human-like angels.
There are certain spiritual "truths" known to virtually every human culture that verifies the truth of the original holy Torah endorsed by Jesus. For example, throughout the world there are stories of sacred trees guarded by an intelligent, talking dragon or serpent, as well as a great flood. But sometime in the past, variance in cultures as well as God's selection for just one of these cultures to be "chosen" and guided, led for these same ancient beliefs to be contained in both pagan cultures as well as Judaism.
The Greek converts to Christianity, for example, undoubtedly saw an uncanny similarity between the Eden story, and their myth of the Golden Fleece, an artifact that granted eternal life, in a tree, guarded by an intelligent serpent-dragon who was the servant of the God Aries. There is even a reseurrection parallel in the earliest version of this myth, in that the dragon swallows Jason who dies, but is spewed up on the command of a Goddess and restored to life. This bears similarity to the Jonah story, and of course, Jesus compares his reseurrection with the story of Jonah.
As a sideline, the early Christians all believed Jonah was swallowed by a dragon-servant of God, and not a fish or whale. This is verified by every depiction of the Jonah story we see today in ancient church mosaics, tombstones, and carved Bible covers, and supported by a greater understanding then, that dragons were the heavenly creature we know as "seraphim" than today's misunderstanding that they are winged human-like angels.
Excellent answer. Intelligent answer.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Galatians 5:18-26 (especially 18).
If we are led by the Spirit and not the flesh or our human nature which is dirty and sinful then we have certainly overcome the law, sin, sickness, death. Remember, the law was made for sinners not for the righteous. The Holy Spirit, if indeed we have received, gives us the power of self-control over the flesh. Let us live and walk in the Spirit daily so we will not fall to temptations of lust, idolatry, laciviousness, etc. Jesus Christ and His apostles are our examples.
If we are led by the Spirit and not the flesh or our human nature which is dirty and sinful then we have certainly overcome the law, sin, sickness, death. Remember, the law was made for sinners not for the righteous. The Holy Spirit, if indeed we have received, gives us the power of self-control over the flesh. Let us live and walk in the Spirit daily so we will not fall to temptations of lust, idolatry, laciviousness, etc. Jesus Christ and His apostles are our examples.
QUOTE (jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 11:04 AM) 
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
Because of satan
Are most people here Protestants or other?
I did read the 'code'.
I did read the 'code'.
QUOTE (TheDuthie @ Apr 12 2008, 08:18 PM)
Are most people here Protestants or other?
I did read the 'code'.
I did read the 'code'.
If the root meaning of "Protestant is "protestant" (one who protests) then yes you have struck pay dirt.
QUOTE (jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 12:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
If you don't catch fish on one side of the boat than cast it on the other side.
Many might see this as Satan, but I disagree.
Today if people get fed at a traditional church, Amen.
If they get fed at a less traditionnal chruch, Amen
If they get fed by a Christian church traditionnal or not at least they get fed.
All they need is to believe in Jesus, trust God and love their fellow man.
Then when I visit a church, "a house of prayer" I don't see a name over the door, I see the blood of the lamb over the door... And people pass through that blood to approach the seat of mercy every week.
Is your question really about changing DOGMA or changing worship styles. Whether a candle is at the alter or not is not Dogma. Whether you sit or stand is not dogma. A marriage between a man and woman only is Dogma.
God bless,
K.D.
God bless,
K.D.
QUOTE (jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 01:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
I hear this question all the time. I believe that in the Bible we have diferent kinds of laws. The Ten commandmants are forever because they are the character of God. But must of the other Jewish ceremonial laws were shadows of Chirst. We don't need them no more. Jesus did preach Judaism. But a different Judaism because of Himself. Jesus quoted the old testament many times and talk about the Father many times also. God bless.
There are so many religions because man has chosen to stray from our ONE GOD, so that they thought they could make their own god and keep their idols.
Even now, man is still trying to divide the religions more, and even on this very forum, and even on this very moment.
Even now, man is still trying to divide the religions more, and even on this very forum, and even on this very moment.
QUOTE (jason benoit @ Jan 25 2006, 06:04 PM)
I sometimes wonder why there are so many different religions..
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
God gave Moses the first laws right? Then Jesus says in Matthew:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Now according to these verses of Jesus Christ himself! He says that anyone who break any of these commandments even a little one will be called the least..
This is my Question: Jesus was a Jew, and it would not suprise me that he practiced Judaism.....am i right?
If he did, Why wasn't the Jewish traditions and laws passed from Moses passed on as well through Jesus as well as the new teachings of Jesus.....We do not follow the Jewish traditions at all so would that be considered breaking old commandments or laws?
I believe Jesus did pass God's laws along. But I don't think he passed the laws man added to God's laws. He spoke against those. Though of course give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's and to God what is God's that's not what I mean. I know many have thoughts that Jesus was anti religious. I think no. I think He was anti what man had/has turned religion into. As many here have stated his message is simple. It does not require animal sacrifice, nor praying to statues, nor walking stairs here on earth in the hopes of a better place in heaven. Though I guess some might disagree with me, this is my thoughts from reading the words of Jesus.
6Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
7And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
8Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
9Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
10Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
11How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
The word Pharisees comes from the Hebrew פרושים prushim from פרוש parush, meaning "separated", that is, one who is separated for a life of purity[1]. The Pharisees were, depending on the time, a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought among Jews that flourished during the Second Temple Era (536 BC–70 AD). After the destruction of the Second Temple, the Pharisaic sect was re-established as Rabbinic Judaism — which ultimately produced normative, traditional Judaism, the basis for all contemporary forms of Judaism and even the Karaites use the Rabbinic canon of the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh.
The Pharisees were one of at least four major schools of thought within the Jewish religion around the first century and were most prominently in opposition to the Sadducee sect.
To be honest I think we have alot to work through to get answers to the question you pose. I don't know the answer either but the fact you are asking the question might mean you should try to find the answer.
trivia yourself with this questioning
if your whole family from grandpa to grandma to aunts and uncles and wives and children all living in one roof, is that a peaceful family?
So you see, religion needs to be split or we all will still complain under 1 roof and 1 church under the same God.
if your whole family from grandpa to grandma to aunts and uncles and wives and children all living in one roof, is that a peaceful family?
So you see, religion needs to be split or we all will still complain under 1 roof and 1 church under the same God.
I don't know if I feel the religious splits have brought peace. Think of all the deaths in the name of religions over the many many years 
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 10 2008, 04:43 AM)
I don't know if I feel the religious splits have brought peace. Think of all the deaths in the name of religions over the many many years
and if there is no death, where will you stand on this earth?
QUOTE (BibleScholar @ Jul 10 2008, 09:47 AM)
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 10 2008, 04:43 AM)
I don't know if I feel the religious splits have brought peace. Think of all the deaths in the name of religions over the many many years
and if there is no death, where will you stand on this earth?
? I don't quite get what you are asking....
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 10 2008, 04:52 AM)
QUOTE (BibleScholar @ Jul 10 2008, 09:47 AM)
QUOTE (Melangel @ Jul 10 2008, 04:43 AM)
I don't know if I feel the religious splits have brought peace. Think of all the deaths in the name of religions over the many many years
and if there is no death, where will you stand on this earth?
? I don't quite get what you are asking....
you said this "Think of all the deaths in the name of religions over the many many years"
and I'm telling you that if it is not for a split of religion, there would be no no deaths in the name of religion. So if that is the case then where on earth would you stand or is there even room on this earth for you to stand on?
The book of Jude has a pretty good treatise of the subject of dangers from without coming into the church and defiling, then splitting it based on the inserted lying doctrines.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
"We don't believe this, so we're leaving to form our own body."
"We do believe this, so we're going to ask you to leave."
What happened to unity and fellowship in the bond of peace and love in Jesus Christ? The gospel and the personhood of Jesus Christ as Lord trumps everything else. It's all about our relationships with the Creator God of the universe, made possible by faith in the precious blood shed by his own Son, and exhorting others to biblically pursue the same, is it not?
No one ever said we had to build bigger buildings, however. Home-based churches all holding to the same truths in scripture were fine with the early church, they should be fine today.
As far as the beginning of different religions/sects of Christianity, it could of all started in the very beginning, had there been enough people around. (I'm talking more about Christian denominations than I am about outright contrary to the truth of scripture religions.)
Hear what Eve said about the forbidden tree.
Genesis 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
What?! God never said that!
So, now we have a group that believes God does not want us to touch the tree either. Had their been enough people around, there goes a split.
It's all about assumptions. Man looks at scripture and assumes we're supposed to do this, or we're supposed to do that. Get a large enough group believing the same garbage and there goes another splintered group.
Even satan said, "Yea, hath God said?..."
Is Jesus Christ LORD over our doctrine, or is he not?
May he do whatever is necessary to clean us up.
In Christ,
Mike
P.S. As for all religions other than that of following Jesus, they are all common to this: "I can make myself good enough to enter heaven/fellowship with God/enter a state of nirvana/have a paradisical brood of virgins/WHATEVER (add your own reward here)."
True, biblical Christianity says, "There is nothing good in you. You cannot do anything in your fallen state to approach a Holy God. Fall on Jesus Christ, our lovingly-given, substitutionary sacrifice for everlasting punishment to appease God's just wrath toward you, repent of your sins, and make Jesus LORD of your life by faith, confessing him openly."
Do that, and you will fulfill the law. You will please God. You will be saved--that's it.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
"We don't believe this, so we're leaving to form our own body."
"We do believe this, so we're going to ask you to leave."
What happened to unity and fellowship in the bond of peace and love in Jesus Christ? The gospel and the personhood of Jesus Christ as Lord trumps everything else. It's all about our relationships with the Creator God of the universe, made possible by faith in the precious blood shed by his own Son, and exhorting others to biblically pursue the same, is it not?
No one ever said we had to build bigger buildings, however. Home-based churches all holding to the same truths in scripture were fine with the early church, they should be fine today.
As far as the beginning of different religions/sects of Christianity, it could of all started in the very beginning, had there been enough people around. (I'm talking more about Christian denominations than I am about outright contrary to the truth of scripture religions.)
Hear what Eve said about the forbidden tree.
Genesis 3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
What?! God never said that!
So, now we have a group that believes God does not want us to touch the tree either. Had their been enough people around, there goes a split.
It's all about assumptions. Man looks at scripture and assumes we're supposed to do this, or we're supposed to do that. Get a large enough group believing the same garbage and there goes another splintered group.
Even satan said, "Yea, hath God said?..."
Is Jesus Christ LORD over our doctrine, or is he not?
May he do whatever is necessary to clean us up.
In Christ,
Mike
P.S. As for all religions other than that of following Jesus, they are all common to this: "I can make myself good enough to enter heaven/fellowship with God/enter a state of nirvana/have a paradisical brood of virgins/WHATEVER (add your own reward here)."
True, biblical Christianity says, "There is nothing good in you. You cannot do anything in your fallen state to approach a Holy God. Fall on Jesus Christ, our lovingly-given, substitutionary sacrifice for everlasting punishment to appease God's just wrath toward you, repent of your sins, and make Jesus LORD of your life by faith, confessing him openly."
Do that, and you will fulfill the law. You will please God. You will be saved--that's it.
ok I get what you are saying now
well that's a good question. I don't know the answer. I guess I'd like to think that had we, mankind stuck to God's laws properly and hadn't split apart and killed each other over it and over other things He would have provided for us somehow. What if's are painful questions sometimes don't you think?
well that's a good question. I don't know the answer. I guess I'd like to think that had we, mankind stuck to God's laws properly and hadn't split apart and killed each other over it and over other things He would have provided for us somehow. What if's are painful questions sometimes don't you think?
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